40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

The next part would be explaining the players in the game basically the factions

[tough haven]

Is there a good video that like sums up the factions like in brief

Just their concepts

I don’t want anything too in depth to scare em off

[queen laurel]

Hmm, there's no good video explaining them

besides bricky

[tough haven]

And most things in 40K are from humanity’s perspective, or at least with humanity as a reference point

[queen laurel]

that guy is not the best

[tough haven]

Really? I’m surprised there’s no like “every 40K faction in 10 minutes” or something

[queen laurel]

that is true but, the other factions are also part of the great game

[tough haven]

Oh yeah

How about this one

https://youtu.be/F2T0GqCLr6s?si=RGvbFTTXgoUbGLAC

[queen laurel]

wait

[storm jungle]

Very good choice

Honestly Ian in general is a really good lad for this sort of intro stuff

[queen laurel]

compared to the length of most of your choices

this is the best one you can get

[storm jungle]

Dont forget this one too

https://youtu.be/05YRMHWtv1Y

[queen laurel]

He already explained warhammer timeline with Luetin

You know the beginner guide one in the video above

[storm jungle]

yeah but Luetin is overrated af and too long

also puts me to sleep

[queen laurel]

facts

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Somehow I can listen to an ork talk and tell about his plan to conquer this planet than listen to his monotone voice, how the hell do the buildings of atoma that has been abandoned has more life than your voice bro

[spare osprey]

Oh love Ian

I gotta rewatch his HH timeline vid

[tough haven]

That’s cause the whole plan is “Krump the gitz” and it’s beautiful

[queen laurel]

Yes a very simple and probably very effective idea

[nocturne crest]

Hat Las.

[storm jungle]

Oi this isn't TF2

[queen laurel]

only if you let it be

Like stealing a tank and attaching it to a spaceship everything is possible

[nocturne crest]

Which faction is the most fashionable?

[queen laurel]

The most basic answer would be slannesh, the lighter side of it because they do embody beauty a bit

[storm jungle]

Jokes aside everyone

like EVERY major faction has incredible drip

[queen laurel]

There are multiple types basic beautiful

Geneva Convention turning into geneva suggestion drip

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

I'm looking at you night lord

******* is wearing a human face skin cape

[nocturne crest]

Bile pulls off the human skin coat pretty well.

[spare osprey]

HH DA and NL.

maybe BA depending on the depiction

[queen laurel]

Are you sure that is not bias

hmmm?

[spare osprey]

100%

https://tenor.com/view/friday-ice-cube-yes-trust-me-gif-17822387

[queen laurel]

i believe you

For now

[green loom]

Hello gamers

[nocturne crest]

Did they both lose their drip by 40k?

[spare osprey]

NL sorta kinda

DA i'd say so

[green loom]

DA developed different drip

[queen laurel]

sup

[nocturne crest]

Gamer, which faction has the best drip?

[green loom]

My current wip secessionist faction with mixed Turkish/Greek/Byzantine aesthetics

[spare osprey]

there's an artist on insta who i follow and i mean. she just does DA immense favors

[green loom]

Does this mean genitalia

[nocturne crest]

Did the Blood Ravens steal it?

[green loom]

That just looks like their heresy models

[spare osprey]

you know funny you mention. i don't think i've ever read about a stolen DA relic in the blood ravens armory

they're either gifted or like forged in the DA's honor or however it was put

[green loom]

Oh the poor thing had to render the entire castle wall

[spare osprey]

was surprising tbh. only really seen her do like single character stuff

[nocturne crest]

Azrael's Second is apparently from the dark angels.

A heavensfall blade.

[spare osprey]

yup yup

still interested in the lore there

and if it had a name before azrael was around

[spare osprey]

but i mean NL look dope asf

couldn't ask for a better rival during the HH

fuckin love these monsters

[nocturne crest]

Maybe the drip from the dark angels got split up between successor chapters and their Deathwing / Ravenwing.

[spare osprey]

deathwing/ravenwing is likely the answer

not enough stuff to really say for their successors

tho i am a fan

[queen laurel]

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/family-matters-steve-urkel-did-i-do-that-gif-3384808

[spare osprey]

nah but fr big fan of the disciples of caliban. that's like the one thing i'll always love

green and black

good mix of the OG and modern schemes

bit of an inspiration for my own lads. just love a good mix of em

https://tenor.com/view/green-color-color-green-gif-26140958

[queen laurel]

My favorite space marines are black as well I'm talking about the black dragons

[spare osprey]

ooooo good choice

black dragons are neat asf

[nocturne crest]

Aren't they the ones the Dark Angels managed to get created through asking Terra?

[spare osprey]

just gotta get one of these mofos some adamantium

[spare osprey]

yup

made for the sole purpose of hunting cypher

their founding grand master shows up in luthers novel

found him

Orias

bit of a dick head

tho most DA in that book were

[spare osprey]

if we're talkin like fav non DA chapter. Marines malevolent easily

love em

[queen laurel]

old favorite, now second favorite would be Carcharodons

[spare osprey]

noice

[queen laurel]

I need a way to exert my blood lust as much as possible while staying loyal

[spare osprey]

the shormks

[nocturne crest]

There's the Executioners.

[queen laurel]

If you have a chapter master like this of course I would like you

[spare osprey]

fair enough

[spare osprey]

ah fafnirs lads

don't know much of em

[nocturne crest]

Imperial fists, Badab War, have more Sternguard in place of Devastator Squads.

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-noice-jake-peralta-andy-samberg-nice-gif-14234819

[nocturne crest]

There is a ultramarine successor chapter that practices blood sacrifice, which involves their enemies.

[crystal forum]

just watched another video where a krieger argues against a star wars stormtrooper

and krieg is once again depicted as valhallan in mentality 😤

but i'd like to hear what you fellows think about a ground war between an entire krieg army and an entire stormtrooper army

no naval support, only air support allowed

[green loom]

Tbh, probably the DK?

On account of the stormies not having army support

[queen laurel]

A battle of attrition with only air support that is gonna take a while

But I don't think the stormtroopers are gonna do well

They will try to breakthrough the heavily defended positions and trenches

Only for the artillery to start coming down

[crystal forum]

i think their tanks would beat krieg tanks

[queen laurel]

Yeah but lemon Russ is very flexible in its choices

So storm troopers have to adapt quickly to combat this

[crystal forum]

but stormtroopers can also field AT-AT's which are basically titans but cheaper

[queen laurel]

Yeah but with that type of thing appearing you will really be stretching for the mechanicus intervention here

a reaver hell a warhound will cause significant damage to those guys

[crystal forum]

i think krieg would have access to some titan killer tanks though

like a shadowsword

[queen laurel]

The thing with this fight is you're only bringing in what the regiment can bring even though a lot of times they rely for other imperials for support

Like they hold the line while a space marine drops squad or a group of tanks push up position

[crystal forum]

the empire also has a ton of ridiculously powerful agents though

[fallow marten]

Instant krieg victory

Not even a competition

Anything in the Star Wars universe is woefully underpowered compared to 40k

[queen laurel]

They really have the stretch a lot of their powers for them to even have a chance

Like bringing in those giant droids that the size of a planet

[crystal forum]

hey in star wars they can create multiple moon sized weapons of exterminatus

[fallow marten]

That's nothing

[queen laurel]

In 40K they have a mobile fleet that does that

[crystal forum]

it's still a pretty big event for 40k

[fallow marten]

Life eater virus it, takes like 10 warheads and it's gone

[queen laurel]

And can do it multiple times just to avoid a tyranid feeding itself

[spare osprey]

i think we're just comparing full on factions at this point.

if it's like a mixed regiment of each of armor and infantry it's a lot closer than people think.

cause i mean that's the whole point of the guard

[crystal forum]

i think in terms of infantry capabilities both sides are closely matched

[spare osprey]

they win cause they can throw so many at one thing

[crystal forum]

even more so back in the clone trooper days

[celest dome]

In a war the Imperium would be on the defence. Like the Empire/Star Wars has great logistics compared to the Imperium

[fallow marten]

Lasguns are more powerful than infantry weapons in star wars, the artillery is far better, the armor is far better

Every single thing the Imperium has is better

[spare osprey]

ehhhhhhhhhh

[queen laurel]

not all

[spare osprey]

lasgun is a good fuckin gun

[crystal forum]

i don't think lasguns are that different to blasters?

[queen laurel]

Some Star Wars weapons are better

[fallow marten]

Lasguns are insane

[spare osprey]

but i mean the empire has good artillery and really good armor divisions

A6 juggernaut for example

[fallow marten]

The Imperium has far more manpower and not bad logistics

[crystal forum]

yeah plus it's actually technologically advanced stuff unlike the imperium

[spare osprey]

absolute beast

[queen laurel]

the imperium is very willing to sacrifice

[crystal forum]

good old executioner

[queen laurel]

how much you bet they turn one of their ships to destroy one of the super weapons

[fallow marten]

And the empire can bring all the AT ATs they want all the tanks they want, a baneblade will tear them apart in a single shot

And if we have Titan support it's not even an argument

[crystal forum]

nah no titan support

[spare osprey]

well why are we bringing titans and AT-AT's out of nowhere

[crystal forum]

that's a different faction

[crimson kayak]

when the empire uses actual tactics and bombs the titan from orbit

[crystal forum]

that's the issue with astra militarum, they lack good gear

[celest dome]

Aren't Blaster technically Plasma weapons ?

[crimson kayak]

Technically yep

[queen laurel]

yeah but they have so much of that cheap crap they win

the imperium overwhelms opponents wi....mbers and superior amounts of weapons

[crystal forum]

the empire does too though. it's as much of a throwaway army as krieg is

[crimson kayak]

Also the empire has a good amount of fast grav tanks

[fallow marten]

The quality and loyalty of troops is completely different

[queen laurel]

Yeah but in terms of efficiency they try to be a lot more efficient

[celest dome]

And don't the Empire have much better Energy shields and stuff ?

[crimson kayak]

Also yep

[queen laurel]

yeh Shields in Star Wars are insane

[spare osprey]

agreed. i'd say more imperials on average desert

stormies are loyal dudes

[crimson kayak]

And also everyone talks about the walkers but doesn't remember the empire has a fuck ton of other vehicles, many of wich grav vehicles with tank size blaster weapons

[crystal forum]

i think an AT-ST would beat a sentinel

[queen laurel]

But we're just talking about just krieg and just stormtroopers

[celest dome]

Can people stop with "krieg" are hyper loyal and unbreakable?

[queen laurel]

With aerial support

[crimson kayak]

Stormtroopers are literally the equivalent of scions in 40k

Special forces

[spare osprey]

yeah basic fellas is what the imperial army is for

[celest dome]

Empire is much more like the Tau than the IG tbh

[crimson kayak]

Ye

[crystal forum]

the movies have given stormtroopers such a bad rep

[celest dome]

For their infantry at least

[queen laurel]

The bad Aim joke is annoying

[crystal forum]

also in terms of air power the empire can shit out so many TIE fighters

[crimson kayak]

And even then there's the sheer difference in size

[spare osprey]

big fan of mudtroopers myself

[crimson kayak]

Remember it's the Galactic empire

[queen laurel]

If we're talking just krieg with just air support

krieg will take heavy losses

[fallow marten]

That's their job

[crystal forum]

maybe they could bring extra hydras but i doubt it'll help much

[crimson kayak]

And las weapons would actually be worse off against star wars stuff, as most of their armour is thermal resistant

[queen laurel]

Yeah but it's just them in this battle no space marines no sister battle no inquisition no other outside force

[celest dome]

And most likely rout

[queen laurel]

yeah

[spare osprey]

also even in the stormtrooper ranks you have more specialized dudes. scout troopers and their egotistical selves

https://tenor.com/view/stormtroopers-speeder-star-wars-the-mandalorian-gif-19298898

[celest dome]

Egotistical?

[crystal forum]

even more efficient rough riders

[spare osprey]

they see themselves are superior to all other troopers

[green loom]

What's the trooper armour made of again

[celest dome]

Remember when IG could take bikers ?

[storm jungle]

theres a reason the term Death Korps of Kringe exists

[crimson kayak]

Oh yeah, forgot the stormtroopers have also their own special forces while being special forces themselves

[crystal forum]

i think the empire would be taken by surprise by krieg's mass assaults

[celest dome]

That's cause they are

[crystal forum]

if krieg goes really offensive and keeps the pressure they might win imo

[green loom]

Dilara can you give me Turkish soldier refs, any era?

[storm jungle]

also your basic empire troops as seen in Solo literally fight in awful WW1-2 era battlefields

[storm jungle]

Google has better stuff

[celest dome]

Heavy Blaster go Brrrrr

[green loom]

[spare osprey]

plasteel

[fallow marten]

The Death Korps of Krieg do not lose, they do not fail, their entire purpose is to accomplish their task. The brutality of grinding trench warfare and offense, with gas attacks and constant artillery bombardments and thousands upon thousands of men attacking every day would grind down the Empire for sure

[queen laurel]

i like snow troopers

[storm jungle]

They have lost and failed.

ever read Dead Men Walking?

Or Vraks?

they are at the end of the mortal men/women like all of us here

they aren't invincible

[crystal forum]

we can just assume krieg and troopers have the same type of shitty flak armour

[storm jungle]

also like

[crimson kayak]

Plastoid

[storm jungle]

the Imperial Army is pretty formiddable

[celest dome]

Krieg have a notably high failure rate

[spare osprey]

Down Amongst the Dead Men is sorta another

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

[crimson kayak]

Difference is that star wars armour is all about being thermal resistant

[queen laurel]

yes but, The Imperials here will definitely find weaknesses on the trench and will just bomb it, and also no matter how many they feel if they just keep dying from precise assaults there is literally no point to sacrifice more men and women, they may have a lot of numbers but it's still finite

A loss is a loss

[crystal forum]

that's the job for valhallans

[crimson kayak]

So las weapons are at a disadvantage

[crystal forum]

yeah but they always get shit on by 1 blaster shot unless it's a named character

[queen laurel]

That's the thing. They are incredibly dangerous when the main characters are not involved

the horrors in canon of what they can do

[crimson kayak]

Yeah cause movie, same argument for their aim being incostintent

[queen laurel]

Precise shots, horrific assaults

There is no shortage of things that make a storm trooper horrifying to witness in your village

[fallow marten]

How many Stormtroopers does the Empire field?

[crystal forum]

nah just watch clone wars. clone troopers die all the time to that stuff

[crimson kayak]

a lot

[spare osprey]

i better not see anyone say krieg could take an entire clone division

i mean look at em

[celest dome]

On one front ?

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/workout-clone-trooper-clone-trooper-workout-trooper-gif-20016016

[crystal forum]

clone troopers could 100% out attrition the entire imperium

[spare osprey]

look at this fuckin physique

[crystal forum]

those guys were made to fight ROBOTS

[fallow marten]

If we're talking all kriegsmen vs all stormtroopers than all of then

How many Stormtroopers are there

[storm jungle]

A lot

like we said

the Empire's manpower is by no means small at all

[celest dome]

Kriegs is done and dead

[crimson kayak]

It's the Galactic empire for a reason

[green loom]

Probably a few hundred to one in the Empire's favour lol

[crystal forum]

stormtroopers are sourced from the entire empire unlike krieg's 1 and only planet

[storm jungle]

^

[queen laurel]

They serve an empire that has the resources to build an entire moon that can double as a planet destroying weapon so yeah a lot

[crimson kayak]

And it's not like warhammer where only some worlds are populated

[storm jungle]

Stormtroopers are only incompetent because nobody wants to see young farmer hero Luke get his brains blown out by a blaster bolt

[fallow marten]

Millions? Billions? Trillions? What's the range

[storm jungle]

As many as the plot demands

[spare osprey]

tens

[storm jungle]

so same as warhammer

[celest dome]

Krieg aren't even the most illustrious regiment in 40k

[queen laurel]

Warhammer level as much as the plot demands

[celest dome]

Thr real question is who is writing the fight as always

[fallow marten]

Well Warhammer numbers are often comically small

[celest dome]

Not with the IG

[storm jungle]

because the writers dont know how war works

a bit like most of the fandom

[crystal forum]

wdym they often field 100k troops like it's nothing

[storm jungle]

[spare osprey]

gary could take the emperor

[fallow marten]

IG is incredibly inconsistent

[storm jungle]

40k is incredibly inconsistent

Its shit writing

but we like it

mostly

[fallow marten]

There can be 200,000 men in a regiment or 2,000

[spare osprey]

bro solo's

[storm jungle]

those cheek-nuts speak for themselves

[crimson kayak]

Also the imperial warmachine in star wars is all about easy to produce and easy to replace in case of losses

[crystal forum]

anyways my initial situation has no naval support so no reinforcements

[spare osprey]

damn right

[storm jungle]

Its the same problem where any 40k vs Imperium ground war nerds forget that the Empire literally has as many stupid war vehicles/craft as the Imperium does

but somehow a shitty Leman Russ can apparently take out an AT-AT

sure pal

[crystal forum]

i just wanted to compare the equipment

[storm jungle]

Im gonna compare something else with you alright

[queen laurel]

• blows up your gun using mind *

[crimson kayak]

Wich I mean... It's like a couple star destroyers worth of troops?

[storm jungle]

[celest dome]

Revolver are such sweet little things

[green loom]

How do I warhammerify this

[celest dome]

Side guns and shorten the main cannon

[queen laurel]

it looks like it has the chassis of a rhino

[crystal forum]

make it more rhomboid

[versed ledge]

There can even be 60-80 too

[queen laurel]

So just make a rhino with a big gun

[crystal forum]

is it going to be a leman russ variant or a completely different tank chassis

[spare osprey]

grey knight moment

[green loom]

Unsure atm, thinking leman Russ variant maybe?

[crystal forum]

then yeah you need the rhomboid tracks

[spare osprey]

just need some SoB for no reason at all

[queen laurel]

It's literally shaped like this very closely

Just add extra guns to it and you're good

[crystal forum]

i've seen some models of leman russes with side skirts

[versed ledge]

Are predators and rhinos just m113s but with thicc armor?

[crystal forum]

quite literally yes

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

[crystal forum]

even in the 40th millenium the m113 is king

[storm jungle]

it was like the APC at the time Warhammer was getting made

so like the late 90's

[spare osprey]

i've seen one with a mine sweeper.

just sorta have the image

for no reason

[crystal forum]

god bless 3d model makers

[queen laurel]

Nah, i like to be more violent on my way of magic

[crystal forum]

also fun fact the m113 is to this day the most used armoured vehicle of all time

[versed ledge]

I'll admit, I like the idea. I mean using the m113 for anti armor roles too

[versed ledge]

I think it's also still used up to now

[queen laurel]

I'm stupid i just realized

The leman russ is the sherman of the imperium

[crystal forum]

and it probably will be for decades to come

you can mount anything on that thing

which is funny because as an APC it's pretty shit

[versed ledge]

But for literally anything else, it's pretty good. Just like a rhino or chinera

[raven stone]

Quick lore question, hope some folks here are “in the know”
If a Rogue Trader ship has Xenos components installed - and said components are not exactly inside the ship (I.E. it is on the outside of the hull)
Is it realistic for it to be expected that said ship can enter into “proper” Imperial territories or ports?

I mean, on the one hand, Rogue Traders are, well, Rogue Traders, but on the other hand, there is (say) a giant alien gun on the hull of their ship…now whilst you could assume it takes scanning to identify it, ultimately at docking it will at least draw attention…

[crystal forum]

chimera is an IFV though

[versed ledge]

True

[storm jungle]

It entirely depends on what the xenos component on the ship looks like.

Its usually more realistic/smart to hide the gun with imperial junk ontop of it

Admech gets away with this shit constantly. Lying is king.

[versed ledge]

Also another question...I always wondered how a daemon's axe can puncture a chimera so easily

[storm jungle]

because... its a daemon axe

💀

[queen laurel]

I can just imagine the one weird rogue trader that has like an ork laser cannon outside his ship but it's covered with so much junk it looks normal even though it has a 60% chance of exploding

[raven stone]

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. I will probably have the character slap an imperial gun cowling over the Xenos cannon then.

[storm jungle]

Yeah very much so

like everyone higherup in the Imperium uses xenos-tech they just lie about its origin lol

[queen laurel]

What type of xenos cannon would they be using tho

Tau?

[queen laurel]

Yeah that's what happens if you don't allow your people to invent new shit, course i'm going to take that iphone 20 i've been using iphone 5 for the past 20 years

[raven stone]

Admittedly an undefined Xenos ship cannon from the Rogue Trader RPG

[queen laurel]

Huh neat

[raven stone]

So I will mention it is lucky enough the gun cowling could fit without looking too odd

[queen laurel]

As long as you have a reason that you can just pull out of your pocket it will work

[versed ledge]

Why not reverse engin-
The imps are that stupid aren't they....

[storm jungle]

The problem is most main-faction xenos tech is not reverse engineerable

Eldar and Necron tech is too advanced

Ork tech falls apart

Tau tech is usually used

just uhh in secret and not in great quantity lmao

[queen laurel]

Yeah, the only reason why yarrick can use a powerklaw is because they literally have to fill in the pieces

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

and like, its a powerklaw, its not exactly the most intricate technology

[queen laurel]

ork machinery is so unstable no sane machine spirit will inhabit that

[rose thorn]

Chad cold trader using eldar sling pistols on the daily

[queen laurel]

Also most Ork vehicles run on diesel fuel

So they're literally very old

Terms of technology

But with their crude construction and devastating cheap manufacture

[plush mason]

tbch the best part about that helmet to me is the fact those cheek holes serve an actual function, they are to connect the tubs of an external environmental protection system

[queen laurel]

They are devastating still

[arctic talon]

Daemon weapons don't follow the laws of physics

they cut through everything lol

a bloodletter's blade is going to pierce power armor as easily as it pierces a piece of paper

[queen laurel]

Yeah they're not as ridiculous as a basic sword weapon of a skeleton faction that vibrates in and out of dimensions to increase cutting power

[arctic talon]

Yeah

they're just straight magic lol

the only realistic counter to daemon weapons is magic

because you're sure as fuck not gona use armor to protect yourself lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah, it's like wearing normal clothing and saying "i am invincible" only to get shoot by 12 gauge shotgun

[arctic talon]

tbh the biggest upside to fighting daemons

is that they don't use guns

They use magic bullshit instead

[nocturne crest]

MFW no one mentions the Death Troopers when comparing star wars.

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-trooper-death-trooper-guns-weaponry-gif-17841657

[arctic talon]

tbh

I think its silly to compare the 2 settings

bcs

different universes work on different levels of power and scaling

[nocturne crest]

Oh definitely.

[queen laurel]

Yeah stuff like this is very tedious and annoying to debate

Our universe vs universe fight is in one of the worst debates online

[arctic talon]

Like the warp isn't a thing in star wars lol

and the force isn't a thing in 40k

[queen laurel]

Because it's rarely balances each other

[arctic talon]

not really comparable magic

especially when one is 10x more unstable then the other

same applies to space ships and FTl

ect.

[nocturne crest]

I think the closet thing in Star Wars to the Imperium of man was the Sith Empire.

[queen laurel]

Yeah but i think in 40k they can just imitate it with you know psykers

[nocturne crest]

But even then, that's still not really comparable.

What force ability allows you to rip the flesh off your enemy.

[crimson kayak]

Tbf there's them... Dark troopers, purge troopers, Storm Commando's, Nova troopers... A lot, there's a lot of these kind of divisions

[arctic talon]

prolly some dark side ability thats never explicitly mentioned

[queen laurel]

Oh someone definitely turned someone inside out because they made that person watch their parents get killed in front of them and that person happened to be force sensitive

[crimson kayak]

Oh my friend should I introduce you to the wonderful world of sith alchemy

Aka how to bullshit an excuse to have a force ability that for example could oh I don't know, literally kill an entire planet population and feed their life into you

[nocturne crest]

What the fuck?

[crimson kayak]

Ye old expanded universe got wild

Like

Really, really wild

[queen laurel]

Or i can use a person's flesh to make my own personal golem and watch it eat an entire town

Fun stuff

[nocturne crest]

Huh.

[crimson kayak]

Or revive and control stuff like a mf Zillo Beast

Aka star wars immortal godzilla

[nocturne crest]

Is there any chance 40k took some inspiration from this expanded universe?

[crimson kayak]

Nah

[queen laurel]

Or give rancor wings

[crimson kayak]

Most of the really wild stuff was like, from 2000 to Disney acquisition

[queen laurel]

Yeah during that time warhammer is finding other ways to become it's own thing

[crimson kayak]

But hey, in canon you have the Sith that now lives inside his mask and basically forces you to put it on if you find it

And then possesses you of course

[queen laurel]

My favorite character is a droid so

[nocturne crest]

MR BONES!

[crimson kayak]

Ye ma boy Mr bones

But I do prefer the empire protocol droid/astrodroid duo turned into the most mf lethal torturers in existence

Mf has a literal missile launcher and a flamethrower

[queen laurel]

Paint that thing red and black, add some extra spikes on that thing and that thing looks like it was made by some orks

[storm jungle]

Not probably super related but

The Force is entirely stolen from Dune

since there theres the Voice

which is literally the same thing but just telepathic commands

[nocturne crest]

Reminds me of an Urbanmech.

Wait, when did Dune come out?

[storm jungle]

Bro Dune is older than Warhammer and Star Wars

its the grandfather of sci-fi

40k stole a ton of shit from it

Lucas also openly admitted he stole from Dune when the first movie came out, especially the whole prophesized teenage hero hanging out in a desert thing

[nocturne crest]

Well, I need to read it.

[storm jungle]

Oh man its a trip

[queen laurel]

The canoptek has the same body structure as a protoss colossus

They are not afraid

[storm jungle]

[spare osprey]

i remember those comics

think it had fuckin battledroid Geonosian cyborgs

[nocturne crest]

Do you think it would make sense for the Iron Hands and it's successors to have Kataphron Battle Servitors?

[crimson kayak]

Ye

[spare osprey]

strange stuff

[nocturne crest]

Oh, okay. I remember that comic series now.

It had Space Indiana Jones

Dr Alpha?

*Aphra

[spare osprey]

yup

vader and aphra

[plush mason]

nothing can top the debate of LOTR vs Star Wars

[crimson kayak]

wot

[plush mason]

yeah

there are parts of both fandoms that debate which setting is better lol

[storm jungle]

hilarious because Warhammer Fantasy also stole a lot of shit from LOTR

[nocturne crest]

Has there ever been a debate about GoT/HoD vs Warhammer Fantasy?

[rose thorn]

Might be a dumb question, does anyone know where I can find art of like general space equipment, like void suits or oxygen tanks or general crew equipment

[storm jungle]

Googling also works, theres a lot of misc RPG art for 40k

[rose thorn]

I tried but I had no clue what to google lol

[rose thorn]

That’s actually baller af

And I know exactly how to kitbahs that

GSC continues to be the goat for necromunda kit bashes

Fun fact:

Two separate official models by gw

To be fair the left model comes with a chaos/outlaw version

https://necrodamus.org/assets/images/agitator-dc6eba8c33607df5b013659ca971737a.webp

But still it’s really funny how they made the same model twice

[storm jungle]

its pretty great

[arctic talon]

Canoptek is explicitly based on war of the worlds iirc

When they mentioned it’s design process

They wanted to copy the big walkers from it

[shadow plover]

Oh yeah it's war of the worlds 100%

[arctic talon]

They also wanted to make Necrons a bit less space Egyptian as well

With them iirc

Which sort of reflects some other stuff from that wave

[storm jungle]

Yeah a lot of the 9th edition walkers were War of the Worlds

[arctic talon]

Their teaser art

Was even more war of the worlds imo

[dense lynx]

never watched GoT but the little i know, fantasy claps easy

i just said claps

:(

[nocturne crest]

Dumb question, but which Doctor Who actor/actress could you see fitting a role in a 40k show?

[storm jungle]

Honestly most of them fit pretty well

it helps that they are firstly british actors (something GW does a lot because good talent) and also since most of them are pretty flexible

[crystal forum]

i made my own soul drinker purple

nothing can stop me now

[spare osprey]

Tenant and Capaldi mainly.

Tho I mean I’ve been enjoying smith in more serious roles as of late

[nocturne crest]

Ngl, I could see Arthur Darvill maybe pulling off Comissar Cain.

[nocturne crest]

I think Tennant would make a good Dark Eldar

[storm jungle]

If you wanna see an example of him playing an absolute sack of shit check him out as Kilgrave in Jessica Jones

[spare osprey]

boutta say

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/kilgrave-david-tennant-jessica-jones-gif-10688527

[spare osprey]

Kilgrave is just

something else

[storm jungle]

Hes genuinely a fascinating asshole

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/195404877688602624/1150279798929764372/20230224_193611.jpg?width=502&height=670

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/alf-innocent-until-proven-guilty-gif-26147011

[arctic talon]

Guilty and even when innocent, Guilty

[queen laurel]

That is fair but in terms of you know structural similarities it's more similar to the colossus

No doubt it has war of the worlds

[arctic talon]

the big reason they remind me of the war of the worlds mech

is bcs of the gun

[queen laurel]

That is true

The walkers do use heat rays i think

[arctic talon]

also I'm pretty sure colossi were also based on war of the worlds

the big tall walker

[queen laurel]

Yeah, giant spider thing that looks like my nightmares that shoots laser beams definitely

[crystal forum]

now isn't this a sexy purple

[queen laurel]

Why does your base float with like bolters and swords

Very nice invisibility marine

[crystal forum]

ork mentality

i definitely should have thinned my paint

looks widely inconsistent in thickness

[rose thorn]

Rich people in 40k are weirdos

Necromunda continues to disturb me every instance they can

[celest dome]

"Toy" Servitor are so creepy

[queen laurel]

Why do they seem like they mimic harley quinns

[rose thorn]

Insane rich poeple?

They were the second richest house

On necromunda

Before a civil war split them in half and banished them to the toxic wasteland known as the Ash wastes

Now they go on hunting trips to hunt down the ash waste nomads

[celest dome]

House Catallus is the Socialite Brooker of Necromunda

So their themes is the arts and all that

[celest dome]

More like anyone in the Ash Waste. Like even Caravans and people from Shanty Towns

[rose thorn]

Oh lmao

[celest dome]

Those would be a fine addition to the Ash Waste nomad though

[queen laurel]

I swear necromunda will survive a good chaos invasion no problem at all

[celest dome]

For Shanty Town, not Caravan

[queen laurel]

The amount of horrific things inside the planet jesus christ

[rose thorn]

Now what the fuck is a toy servitor

[queen laurel]

I looked it up didn't find anything

It seems to be somewhere cacti read

[celest dome]

Necromunda already has a fallen Hive that's currently inhabited in parts by Orks, and it has some GSC already

[rose thorn]

A higher class (insane clown) gang would be pretty fresh all things considered

I forgot do these guys have allegiance rules?

Nah

[queen laurel]

Do you think they accidentally worshipped Cegorach

[rose thorn]

I’m pretty sure they are just rich weirdos

[celest dome]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/ssleho/the_bookkeepers_skull_shows_that_even_childrens/

[rose thorn]

While their boss, at least use to just try to get his dick wet 24/7

And succeeding

[celest dome]

Allegiance ?

[rose thorn]

My bad alliance

[celest dome]

They are a Spyrer Gang. So yes

[rose thorn]

Lol

[queen laurel]

You're telling me they lobotomize people to turn them into playmates for kids

Jesus f****** christ

[rose thorn]

Now, helmawr is just in a coma atm right?

After his daughter took over?

[celest dome]

They will be Dramatis Personae, so they would be use able by a few gang if it follow the usual way

[rose thorn]

Ah okay

I assumed it would work like fuckin uhhh

[celest dome]

Stasis, like Guilliman

[rose thorn]

Greim and ulanti

[rose thorn]

Classic

I forgot did that rebel queen lady get any lore?

I have yet to read the book of the outcast

[celest dome]

Those are also Dramatis Personae. You can get their help during a story of Necromunda. Those 2 will probably have the same system

[rose thorn]

OHhHhHhh

Okay

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah, are there other people like them in necromunda that are weird and rich

[rose thorn]

I thought they worked like a alliance with water guild and corpse guild

[queen laurel]

Like the suspiciously rich furry that you don't want to f*** with

[rose thorn]

Where you get to buy their models

Side note

Beautiful ass models

[celest dome]

Iirc Forgeworld does all the Dramatis Personae

[rose thorn]

I love that the lady is based off the old necromunda spiders armor

Also the guy got them fuckiN toes

[celest dome]

Dunno about them cause they didn't exist back when I played.
But Dramatis work on a Law/Crime balance where certain are ok with working with 1 extreme but not the other.
Noble house don't care about those though

[celest dome]

The deserter is also probably a former Spider

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah, I should listen to his short story

Also shout out to gw suggesting using black stone fortress traitor guardsmen for helot chaos cult, idk why but that’s really the most the thing I can think of

I remember that and always gives me a chuckle

‘You should buy a 300 dollar board game :>’

[crimson kayak]

I mean you could easily also use the blooded instead

Also Blackstone it's 170$

[shadow plover]

also the cultists are sold separately aren't they?

[rose thorn]

Oh my bad

[rose thorn]

They made the post before the blooded released, and they did also mention the abyss cultists

[crimson kayak]

Basically they said "see our range of human chaos guys? Use them"

[normal light]

Negavolts are pretty good

[rose thorn]

Yea

[versed ledge]

You know what would be nice, having the ability to add stickers to our guns in DarkTide. Like adding a Slaaneshi symbol with the words "UwU" next to it

[keen stratus]

Slaanesh already has me

[versed ledge]

UwU yes

[winter vessel]

A corn cob with Khorne's symbol next to it.

[normal light]

Being one step from heresy is so safe , trust me

I am certified ||chaos|| imperial creed follower

[nocturne crest]

Blood for the blood emperor, Skulls for the Golden throne.

[nocturne crest]

How relevant are the Magos Biologis when compared to the more known orders of the Adeptus Mechanicus?

[storm jungle]

They are niche but relavent

they just dont get explored much

[crystal forum]

they're just there

available for use by any writer who needs a biologist character

[normal light]

Ah , yes Glory to the ||False|| Emperor

[celest dome]

They are quite influential as they are the ones who do the long life treatment

[queen laurel]

Yeah those rejuvenation treatment funds allow them to buy at least 5 million guard armies without even batting an eye

[nocturne crest]

What do chaos cultists or other space marines say when pledged to another god other than Khorne?

[queen laurel]

Their war cry like "blood for the blood God skulls for the skull throne" ?

[vast heart]

Nurgle units and cultists usually have like nursery rhymes and chants

[frosty stag]

Guys what if irl i was a sloppity bilepiper

And just stole some random guys phone and figured out how to use discord

[queen laurel]

i do not like where this is going

[frosty stag]

I heard out of every god Nurgle doesn’t have much if any “sayings”

[frosty stag]

Why not

[frosty stag]

I heard they mostly use the ringing of bells and silence to strike fear into people

[queen laurel]

[frosty stag]

I lose my jolly gutpipes tbh

Need to make new ones

Wanna help?

[queen laurel]

i do not know what you mean by this

[frosty stag]

The instrument played by bilepipers

Honestly i see no problem in me hypothetically being a sloppity bilepiper

I’d just be a silly little guy

Making everyone laugh and have a good time

[celest dome]

"For the Plague father"

[frosty stag]

Oh yeah i guess thats one

Idk the chants too well

[celest dome]

Plaguebearers are noted of walking in combat while singing praises to Nurgle

[frosty stag]

Honestly idk where I learned what i know

[celest dome]

Slaanesh:

"For the Dark Prince!"

"Pain and Pleasure!"

"Hear the Dirge of Slaanesh!"

"Children of the Emperor, Death to his foes!" (Emperor's Children)

Siren Songs (singing to tempt enemies into their embrace)

Tzeentch:

"All is Dust!" (Thousand Sons)

Tend not to have a warcry on account of it affirming allegiances, and giving away potential plots

Nurgle:

"Common Cold! Influenza! Nasty Rash! Distemper!" (This one might be a meme and not a real one though)

"Rot and Ruin!/Rust and Rot!/Ruin and Rust!" (The three pustules of Nurgle represent Rot, Rust and Ruin.)

"Suffer and despair!"

Complete Silence (Death Guard)

The most common chant, from Nurgle daemons, is listing the assorted plagues in existence.

Khorne:

"Blood for the Blood God!"

"Skulls for the Skull Throne!"

Malal:

Complete silence (Sons of Malice)

Mostly complete list

[frosty stag]

Also as a alleged bilepiper I should have realized that’s wrong

Oh the death guard thats what i was thinking

[celest dome]

From fantasy there is also "For the Maggot Lord"

[queen laurel]

I didn't know he was known as the maggot Lord but hey if there is something disgusting that will represent him it's going to be maggots

[green loom]

We painting soon

[normal light]

Well that`s why the called maggotkin of nurgle

[frosty stag]

Maggots

Yummy

[nocturne crest]

Would it make sense for the Imperium to have it's own version of possessed space marines, with the spirits of older fallen warriors empowering them?

[storm jungle]

Its kinda down to execution

closest you got is Legion of the Damned

[nocturne crest]

Did they ever confirm the legion of the damned to be imperial daemons?

[storm jungle]

I mean yes

and they arent really daemons

they are just dead marines re-animated

[terse flume]

ahahahaha guy fieri space marines

[storm jungle]

hEY

Show respect to the hot chili nacho scheme

[terse flume]

the imperium's final and perhaps quasi mythical protectors, blessed as they are by Donkey Sauce

[winter vessel]

Take that trip to Flavor Town

[crystal forum]

that just sounds like knights

[storm jungle]

Knights are robots

[normal light]

What knights?

[storm jungle]

[normal light]

Undead Space Marines , good

Grandfather Nurgle can work something out with them

[storm jungle]

well they arent zombies

they are burning re-animated angry spirits

[normal light]

Then Tzeentch could do something

But basically Rubric Marines like

But Loyalists

[storm jungle]

Kinda, its a weird subject because the Legion of the Damned are really on and off in the setting.

[normal light]

In leg in and one leg out

[spare osprey]

i just hope they aren't Isstvan III spirits tbh

or ferrus

just feels weird

[arctic talon]

They’re explicitly not Ferrus or istavan III spirits

Considering there’s someone identifiable as an ultramarine present in their numbers in one of the books

[spare osprey]

ik. i just know a bunch of peeps who argue they are

and it just sorta like

[arctic talon]

The big warp flame in the webway war is explicitly not Ferrus

And I hate people who try saying it is lol

[spare osprey]

ruins some of the emotion behind the stories imo

[spare osprey]

agreed

[arctic talon]

The more mysterious they are

The better

Since GW has stopped with the fire hawk theory being potentially true

And made them even more like daemons during the fall of Cadia

[spare osprey]

i do enjoy open ended stuff

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-a-mystery-butt-head-mike-judge's-beavis-and-butt-head-s2-e3-it's-a-riddle-gif-11206365824536170941

[fallow marten]

Open ended stuff is only cool with a satisfying ending

Like if you keep things open ended and allow people to guess, then give a conclusion to match, it's cool

[nocturne crest]

Didn't a famous ultramarine from Calth join the legion?

[sullen cape]

Gw never really been big fans of telling players so it very much open end. What in the GK box. Is emprah alive or is he a preputal. A choas god these are veru open ended question in 40j

[storm jungle]

Yeah but the Emperor is alive and not a chaos god.

Hes just becoming one slowly

[arctic talon]

Of the damned? Yeah

[green loom]

I wanna give me

Secessionist empire some exo troops

Thinking of the name "Caraphracts"

[storm jungle]

Imperium uses that too much

be more original

Dont steal every cool greek/european sounding stuff from wikipedia like BL writers.

[green loom]

Give me something Turkish then

Don't want to use Hungarian stuff since I use it too much

[spare osprey]

Watchers in the dark are Jawas

That’s the ending

Boom I’m happy

[tough haven]

Whats da first fing Orkz do when dey'z renovating a house?

Dey paint da Waaaaghs red!

[nocturne crest]

So odd question, but is primaris only made on Terra/Mars or can it now be manufactured anywhere?

[versed ledge]

So the Tau wage war like we do, right? Highly mobile, precise strikes, priority on minimal casualty on their own side, but maximum casualty on the enemy

How come imperial forces don't follow that?

[spare osprey]

Anywhere at this point

[green loom]

Every chapter that's been reached by Torchbearer fleets or chapters with primaris can make them

[green loom]

They do

And they don't

The Tau have a mostly cohesive military

[nocturne crest]

Because resources.

[green loom]

The imperium have a mass of different specialized regiments pulled from across the galaxy and thrown into wars seemingly at random

They have their spec ops heavy hitters still(like Scions and marines)

But the vast majority of the time it's a bunch of loosely coordinated weirdos with technology ranging from pikes and lasguns to hover vehicles

[versed ledge]

So lack of communication, different what is in essence armies trying to fight the enemy by doing their own thing

[green loom]

It's effectively if you like
Had a big group of nations irl
They all send a detachment to a country
And it's all under the command of one guy
All those detachments are pretty different in a lot of ways

Imagine you have Rome right

But the Legions just aren't there and it's all auxiliaries

[nocturne crest]

And the auxiliaries came from different parts of the empire?

[green loom]

And are the "normal" military

[nocturne crest]

Also, quick derailing question, but is it true the t'au managed to get the krieg to surrender?

[green loom]

Wouldn't shock me

Don't remember them fighting outside of that one animation tho

[fallow marten]

Never heard of the Death Korps surrendering and it would be ridiculous if they did

[versed ledge]

Krieg surrendering?

[fallow marten]

Their entire premise is their complete and utter devotion and willingness to die. They are clones in vats in bunches of hundreds of thousands with the singular purpose to die. They believe themselves as sinners and traitors to the God Emperor of Mankind and their only form of redemption is death

[versed ledge]

That's unheard of, would they just try to pull the pin of their own grenades before that happens

[fallow marten]

Every last Kriegsmen would die before shaming the Emperor with surrender

If a controlling general or non Kriegsmen in charge withdrew their forces or surrendered for them, maybe? But a Krieg force would never surrender on their own

[arctic talon]

They don't surrender but they do retreat when casulties would accomplish nothing

Which is sane

I.E vraks

[versed ledge]

Yes, because there's no more room to maneuver with a mountain of their own corpses

[arctic talon]

Field Marshal gives the command to retreat, Comissar says to keep advancing, Comissar gets fragged lul

[spare osprey]

Yeah I mean like krieg fight to the last man. But like they’re not suicidal

[arctic talon]

No its literally because it would accomplish nothing

[spare osprey]

That’s just a waste of their service

[arctic talon]

charging into a cloud of gas that melted a fucking armor column

does nothing lol

[fallow marten]

They don't seek death they just accept and embrace it

[arctic talon]

yeah

[green loom]

Krieg care more about how they die than most of the prominent guard Regis lol

[fallow marten]

It's nothing to them but redemption

[winter vessel]

Captain Tyborc was a Chad in that conflict

[arctic talon]

they want a meaningful death

is the biggest thing

they don't want to die because some idiot yells at them to run into a tank

but if they die accomplishing something by running at a tank

hell yeah

[fallow marten]

Well either way it doesn't matter

They would do either unflinchingly

[spare osprey]

Will say tho

[fallow marten]

They don't care, they're not meant to care

[spare osprey]

It’s not impossible for a Krieger to desert or anything of the like.

[green loom]

We just explained why they care lol

[arctic talon]

They explicitly don't want their lives to be spent in a meaningless way

this has been part of their lore since they were introduced in Imperial Armor

[fallow marten]

But the entire point is that their individual wants don't matter

[arctic talon]

as a society

[fallow marten]

They'll still do whatever their told without hesitation

[arctic talon]

their wants are to die a meanigful death

[arctic talon]

again Vraks proves this wrong

They will do almost anything that isn't literally suicide for 0 gain

[spare osprey]

Not really.

They’re still people

[arctic talon]

They literally frag multiple comissars to retreat

during Vraks

[green loom]

Ye lol

[arctic talon]

because they don't want to charge into the giant wave of death fog

that melted A FUCKING ARMORED COLUMN

[winter vessel]

Nurgle’s Death Fog right?

[arctic talon]

It also might I add

melted plague marines alive

[fallow marten]

If you drink enough of the fog it'll disappear

[green loom]

Ironically the unquestioning automatons are the Cadians lmao

[fallow marten]

Best solution

[arctic talon]

Yeah a sorcerer summoned it

to basicially clear out an entire section of the battlefield

it did work

it just worked way too fucking well lol

on the upside a bunch of cultists and a few plague marines dying isn't that awful

especially when you cause an entire armored column to fucking melt, mass retreat and an entire regiment to get sent to a penal legion

[green loom]

May we continue to get lore where the Death Korps loses 🙏

[winter vessel]

The Siege of Vraks is the epitome of war when it relates to”Let’s see how much we can escalate this shit to the breaking point.”

And that Chaos worshiping Fuck Deacon Mamon got away with it all.

[nocturne crest]

So here's a thought. Would it make sense for the krieg to surrender if they planned to cause a prison break and start a campaign of guerrilla warfare?

Or is that a stretch too far in terms of what the krieg would be willing to do?

[queen laurel]

they specialize in infantry and fortifying positions

manipulating stuff to cause prison outbreaks aren't their thing

that would belong to a different stealth section of the imperium

[nocturne crest]

Digging tunnels.

I thought they were the experts on tunnel warfare?

[queen laurel]

they dig trenches not tunnels

[spare osprey]

It’d only really work if they didn’t willingly give up. Forced labor and all. Even then they’d probably just cause immediate ruckus

[queen laurel]

they will just dig out a line perfect for the position then stay there most of the time

[storm jungle]

Krieg fans don't like it when you mention that

[arctic talon]

Well it’s part of their lore lol

And it’s great

Everyone has a breaking point

[storm jungle]

mfers will glorify these brainwashed fascists for anything tbh

[spare osprey]

I always just generally dislike when people try and yell that their human faction is uncaring and unbreakable

[queen laurel]

krieg is like orks in morale, it's very hard to break but you can break it

[storm jungle]

I promise guys, the original Krieg citizens that wanted to break from Imperial tyranny were evil

[spare osprey]

Like come on son. They’re still human

[queen laurel]

Yeah they're still humans so there's literally no point in glorifying their emotions

Plus their way of warfare is pretty outdated

[spare osprey]

Mhm

[queen laurel]

you can find in good ways to sneak in the trench

And just slaughter them

[nocturne crest]

Outdated, but effective in a defensive role.

[storm jungle]

Trench Warfare in general is really stupid

like unless you are fighting humans

any other alien 40k faction is gonna steamroll that shit

[spare osprey]

Out trench the damn nids

[queen laurel]

yeah, good luck trying to stay there for long periods of time when a literal horde of green morons will eventually and probably easily overrun the position

Also those green morons have a lot of explosives

[spare osprey]

Easily idk.

[honest mural]

I mean any strategy has its merit and faults

[spare osprey]

I think Space Marine highlights what a good guard defense can do against the greenskins

[storm jungle]

we are talking about trench warfare

theres a reason its almost entirely outdated

[queen laurel]

the tau that have superior artillery will blow apart that position that you just made in a good amount of time

The elder that are fast can find a way through that

The necrons have their tech

And the tyranids

[honest mural]

It's also only used in 40k by like Krieg and the iron warriors

[queen laurel]

My brother in Christ a lot of them dig

[spare osprey]

From the dirt they came and so to it they shall return

[honest mural]

Also the imperium wouldn't tell you how often it doesn't work anyways because propaganda

[queen laurel]

TOO BAD YA GIT, I'Z GOT SOMTHIN FOR YAH,

PLAYS BABY BY JUSTIN BIEBER

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/headphones-soundguy-gif-19041885

[honest mural]

I just want a book for a leagues of votann first contact with the imperium

[spare osprey]

Man I gotta write an ork character

Just for the hell of it

https://tenor.com/view/mushroom-mushrooms-sticker-angry-tribe-gif-18025901

[storm jungle]

They ARE getting a book

but its by Gav Thorpe so dont keep your hopes up

[honest mural]

The worst timeline

[queen laurel]

oh oh me

[storm jungle]

Im really sorry Silas

[queen laurel]

let me help

[storm jungle]

best part is he posted it on his twitter

then deleted it afterwards

no idea why, maybe he accidentally broke a rule

lmao

[honest mural]

Maybe they fire him for that 🙏

[nocturne crest]

Can you imagine if it's something along the lines of the LoV surviving on an an imperium planet, like Birmingham.

[honest mural]

It's just dwarves stabbing people in the uk

[queen laurel]

Hey I just had a random thought

In Total War warhammer 3 skarbrand gave khorne the skull of a God, if he did that in warhammer 40k do you think khorne will allow him to be by his side again?

[storm jungle]

Honestly no

it would go like how it did in that game

[queen laurel]

oof

[storm jungle]

aka Khorne doesn't give af and just lets Skarbrand go find something even better

you gotta keep uppity underlings on a leash like that

[echo vault]

Lol imagine a leagues of votann group that lives on the planet of Birmingham that would be cool

[honest mural]

Dunno if cool is the word I use for that

[spare osprey]

I wanna use one of those new sigmar ork heads so bad man

[queen laurel]

go ahead

this is entirely possible in 40K

[honest mural]

Those are dope

[queen laurel]

ork can get away with a lot of ridiculous shit

[spare osprey]

The issue is. No clue which I like most. And with what I wanna put it on

[queen laurel]

for me this guy

[spare osprey]

It’s between that and 3 others for me

Maybe a beastboss as the base of the mushman.

[queen laurel]

nice

[queen laurel]

how about a Ard'boy Big Boss

[spare osprey]

Trying to just come up with more enemies for my fallen Y’know. Fill out their history

[spare osprey]

Was thinkin him. Just felt a bit too fantasy Ig. Tho what do I know I’ve seen some damn good sigmar to 40K ork conversions

[spare osprey]

Working with a friend of mine on a conflict with his t sons

And I think I’ll throw in this chaos fallen somewhere. Cause why not. And ork just felt like the right next step

[queen laurel]

That's still possible tho, you can convert orruk Ard'boyz in too 40k Ard'Boyz

[spare osprey]

True

[raven stone]

I will be honest they genuinely look like an Orks take on Astartes Power Armour.

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/fair-enough-shea-brennan-sam-elliott-1883-thats-reasonable-gif-24225989

[storm jungle]

Its less that.

They are based on 'Ard Boyz from WHF

the new mini drop for them basically has also outright said it

its just that anything with chunky armor kinda makes people recall 40k a lot.

[green loom]

They are 'ard boyz

Smh

[storm jungle]

😩

[green loom]

And it doesn't help that the basic astartes is a featureless slab of basic shapes

[honest mural]

I do love me some basic shapes

[green loom]

Marines need artificers and countless work hours to get a piece of armour from a bunch of slaves on Grippinius 28372, meanwhile the Ironjawz hammer out their armour with raw iron and their fists

[raven stone]

I mean it really does look like GW “recycled” the Tartaros Termie design but “orkified” it

[queen laurel]

that's what Grimgor called his army right

[storm jungle]

nah 'Ardboyz are basically heavy armor orks

like elite warrior units

[raven stone]

Orks looking at Tartaros Termie armour and saying “Oi wants me sum of dat!”

[green loom]

My guy the only relation between these is they're armour somewhat based on the form of the wearer

Both are just big slabs of metal

[raven stone]

Also, Feral Orks are a thing in 40k too

So you can just outright use these guys

[spare osprey]

Mhm mhm

[raven stone]

Maybe stick some shootas on them

[green loom]

Not scrappy enough

[queen laurel]

ork repentia

[green loom]

Tbh

[arctic talon]

The Death korps of krieg explictly hate trench warfare lol

They're an artillery focused regiment first, armored assault second, and subterranian assault third

[queen laurel]

really?

[honest mural]

they still use it

[arctic talon]

Its inefficent as shit

[arctic talon]

no shit

it was necesary at vraks

[honest mural]

thats what i said

[arctic talon]

but that applies to every regiment

by that logic

[honest mural]

no shit

[arctic talon]

Yeah

there's other regiments that like it more

[crystal forum]

do humans still eat avocadoes in the 40th century

[arctic talon]

Maybe?

we know pigs and cows have survived

Avocadoes might have

[queen laurel]

OK so, the trench part is just for their artillery to be placed right

[arctic talon]

no

They just would rather set up in the back

fortify and bombard the shit out of their enemy

[queen laurel]

Then why is it the thing about them using trenches a lot a thing

Warhammer is confusing as shit

[frosty stag]

Idk what you mean by that

I understand it fully

Not confused at all

[celest dome]

Cause Krieg fans always depict them in fan stuff as being primarily a trench based regiment

[queen laurel]

yep

That's the one

[celest dome]

Nobody ever said Krieg fans were smart

[queen laurel]

I like them back in the day but God the people who love them

I just had to pick the steel legion

Because specializing in tanks and rapid deployment of infantry is something I can get behind

[crystal forum]

it's a WW1 looking regiment so people assume trenches even though that's an extremely eurocentric view of a WORLD WAR

😤

[grave sparrow]

Probably stems from Siege of Vraks, which was pretty much entirely trench warfare, and one of Krieg's more well known battles in the setting.

[arctic talon]

The siege of vraks and it’s consequences on the death korps of krieg perception

[normal light]

Meaning?

[celest dome]

Trench warfare was mostly on the Western Conflict, North Africa, Eastern and other fronts were much less Trench warfare based

[sullen cape]

I remeber reading a article how you could walk from onside of franch to the cost eith put ever sticking your head above the lee

Anyway when we getting some roane deeper (space anzac)

[green loom]

*One of Krieg's only known battles in the setting

[normal light]

Really?

[shadow plover]

They're not really that prominent

Think there were some at Armageddon's first war or something

[normal light]

Death Corps of Cringe

[shadow plover]

Most of their stuff are from Forge World releases, indexes and such

[normal light]

In addition why they are called Death Corps?

[shadow plover]

Death cult

I dunno

[normal light]

Pretty bad reason to name you military formation just because of these

[plush mason]

iirc they call themselves the death corps because Krieg is dead and so are they until they repay the debt they owe to the imperium

due to the whole rebellion and civil war thing

[pine wedge]

it's not actually a very interesting or nuanced or particularly well thought-out regiment, if you ask me.

i think they just got memed to death (korps hahah) and that's where the popularity comes from mostly

[queen laurel]

Yeah them being made fun of gives them a very bad impression and you know ruins what they truly are