40k-lore-chat

[near wasp]

[crystal forum]

my country technically never had nukes

technically

[normal light]

We were not only asked but pushed to disarm

[storm jungle]

Yeah

what a great suggestion that was

💀

[crystal forum]

when you're being asked by two people who own piles of rocks to give up your single rock, how is that fair

[storm jungle]

[normal light]

Greater decisions was giving out our strategic aviation and most of ballistic missiles to russia

[storm jungle]

Reality is a bitch

but IRL topics aside yes nukes go boom

[normal light]

That why we need more Virus bombs 💀

[sullen cape]

Ideal that you give up your nukes from protection angist invasion... it seemingly worked...

[crystal forum]

my country had american nukes on its territory so that's pretty cool. could have suddenly became huge targets for a nuclear war for no reason

[storm jungle]

Im gonna move on but all ill say is

every country that gives up their nukes gets invaded

Its the ultimate deterrnant for a reason

[normal light]

Well you can have no nukes , but then you need to be in NATO

[crystal forum]

the great thing about living next to america is you don't even need detterrent

[storm jungle]

On a less serious subject

[sullen cape]

unsurporivsed Mechanicus and Assassinorum at work

[near wasp]

Dilara im sending you the invoice for the bleach im ordering to cleanse my eyes

[normal light]

Hereteks usually take some cultist champs and mod hell out of them so they become daemon engines

[crystal forum]

mfw carnivore has the word vore in it

[normal light]

And use them as Assassins

[near wasp]

Vore just means eat

[normal light]

Those guys are pretty funny

Hm , are there some minor daemon engines of Nurgle?

[normal light]

Because I know about daemon engines used by Blood Pact or Sons of Sek

[sullen cape]

yes, Plauge drones and Plauge Crawlers, if you want Models if you want Lore wise, just look at the Grav thorps Angels of Caliban

[normal light]

Pretty much reanimated barbwire

[normal light]

Those are pretty large for Darktide I think

[near wasp]

A plague drone wouldnt be much if any bigger than a beast

I think

[normal light]

New mini-boss?

[sullen cape]

it smaller then the Beast of Nurgle, as typically there found ins Swamrs

[normal light]

Plague drone , flying around and shooting at you

[nocturne crest]

To be fair, the early concepts of nuclear weapons were kind of wild.

[near wasp]

Id like nurglings as a horde enemy

[nocturne crest]

Project Pluto, Blue Peacock, the Davy Crockett.

[normal light]

They are stealing pox walkers bread

[normal light]

50-60s armament projects in general are wild

[near wasp]

Weapon designs during mosst of existance were wild

[nocturne crest]

And then stuff like Project Orion.

Using nuclear explosions to launch us into space.

[normal light]

As I suggested earlier some Nurgle Champion on palanquin of Nurgle would be cool

[crystal forum]

the M16 is wild as fuck when you think about what was considered normal back then

[normal light]

Just some fat rotting cultist armed with bell (to summon pox walkers) and bolt pistol sitting on wooden throne which is being carried by a swarm of nurglings

[normal light]

What’s wrong with M16?

[crystal forum]

it's super advanced looking compared to older guns

[nocturne crest]

Thoughts on the Churchill?

[crystal forum]

back then your gun had wood on it lol. just imagine seeing a weapon made entirely out of artificial materials

[normal light]

Meanwhile in USSR: we ball , makes an AK

[normal light]

I think people wouldn’t be so surprised by it

There were plenty artificial material then

Already

[crystal forum]

no the AR-15 platform looked like a futuristic ray gun to them

[nocturne crest]

UK could have had this if it wasn't for the US being nationalist in regards to armament.

[crystal forum]

lots of people weren't used to such guns

it's why they thought soldiers didn't need to clean their M16. it caused a lot of issues when vietnam started

[normal light]

I at some point thought about a mission in Arma 3 in some kind of 1984 setting were players were armed with those rifles

[nocturne crest]

Sorry, I posted the wrong version.

[crystal forum]

they could have had any decent guns if they didn't contract a british company to make it for them

[normal light]

That’s why British followed the path of Fal Friday

[nocturne crest]

Why the US promised to adopt, then didn't and went with their m14.

[crystal forum]

honestly yeah they probably still ended up with a better weapon

[normal light]

Okay it’s time for me to go to sleep , everyone have a good day or night

[crystal forum]

later

[nocturne crest]

Later.

[crimson kayak]

Some H&K rifles and the Famas are also from the 60es btw

[crystal forum]

battle rifles are intrinsically cool

[nocturne crest]

Except when you have to use them in full auto.

[crystal forum]

have you seen america's new infantry carbines? those are cool as fuck

[crimson kayak]

Hell, the G11 is from the 60es

[crimson kayak]

Nay, name/Pic?

[crystal forum]

i imagine they had the same reaction to the M16 being adopted

[crystal forum]

the ones by sig

[crimson kayak]

Imagine being in the 60es and having to look at this

[crystal forum]

dont tell me you havent seen them

oh boy

[nocturne crest]

The ones that are using a similar calibre to EM-2 rifle.

[near wasp]

You know what im glad, thats an abomination

[crystal forum]

those suppressors come by default and they use 3d printing technology

[nocturne crest]

It was better than the SA80.

[crystal forum]

also they dont have rubber baffles or anything, they work through a forced air mechanism

and the barrel is reciprocating

these things are so sweet

[crimson kayak]

Ooooh

Yeye, I saw them, didn't knew they were adopted

[crystal forum]

it's weirdly not a big news thing

when it's a huge step for the military

[near wasp]

I just dislike bullpups besides like the famas and mdr

[crystal forum]

it's insane seeing them adopt suppressors. it means the military actually care about protecting the hearing of soldiers

[crimson kayak]

One I always liked was the one we got here in Italy, Arx-160

But I heard very contrasting opinions about it

[nocturne crest]

Funny enough, but that's one of the rifles that is being considered to replace the SA80 system in the future.

[near wasp]

That and supressing the audio profile of your weapon has benifits to combat

[crystal forum]

you guys really love beretta dont you

[crimson kayak]

I mean we got that and not much else in that department lol

[crystal forum]

crazy how old it is

i think it's the oldest gun company in the world

[crimson kayak]

Like, the other "main" gun manufacter here in Italy it's known more for their Motorbikes

[near wasp]

Berretta is a Italian company, it just makes sense to by local

[crimson kayak]

And the fact all other gun manufacters here in Italy really, but really love making just shotguns

[crystal forum]

wait why does the ARX200 use AK mages

[crystal forum]

germans make british guns

[crimson kayak]

Wait what?

[near wasp]

Yall have h&k

[nocturne crest]

Yep.

[crystal forum]

my own country makes our AR-15 clones thank you very much

[near wasp]

Laughs in american ak fan

Cries in import ban

[crystal forum]

my country's military contribution to the world is a cool gun sight, an APC that americans copied and a cool camouflage

[nocturne crest]

Which APC?

[crystal forum]

meanwhile i can't even buy a pistol because there's a freeze on them

more like an ice age

[crystal forum]

LAV III

[near wasp]

Rip

[crystal forum]

they didn't exactly copy

[crimson kayak]

I mean, I think Atleast you don't have to wait basically half your lifespan just to get a license

[crystal forum]

i can get a license for pistols but it'll be useless

we cant buy them anymore, import them or even give them

[nocturne crest]

Yeah. There no firearms clubs by me, so kind of impossible for me.

[crystal forum]

my country's gun laws are just badly made. not even to be political or anything but it should at least be properly covered

instead of relying on loopholes and politicians making lists of exact guns they dont like

that's literally what they do too. they have to name EVERY single gun they ban

it's so funny going over the law page, it's so long

[nocturne crest]

Well, in the UK the police are trying to keep cracking down on issuing new licenses.

[crystal forum]

for the 1 gun crime that's committed every 10 years in the uk lol

[nocturne crest]

Yeah lol.

[crystal forum]

the funny thing here is that black powder guns aren't even legally considered firearms

i can have one without a license

[near wasp]

I like shooting blackpowder

They are very fun to shoot even if i cant hit shit

[nocturne crest]

I do wonder if the Gyrojet technology would have been developed more if it had been made in a bigger calibre.

[crystal forum]

it would still be shit

it's a fundamentally flawed concept

caseless ammo on the other hand

sad that it hasn't been worked out fully yet

[nocturne crest]

I don't think there is any demand or reason to do so.

[crystal forum]

there's a ton reasons but the military rarely takes risks

[nocturne crest]

Yeah.

[near wasp]

caseless ammo is more fragile and the battlefield breaks things

[rose thorn]

i think kal jerico is in my top 5 audio books

sinners bounty*

its a blantent advert for liek cawdor and the bounty hunter gang

but god damn its funny

[storm jungle]

to be the books ARE made to sell models

[storm jungle]

I suggest Lasgun Wedding also

[rose thorn]

yeah ill read through all the kal jerico books when i get the chance

but the book made sure that you ddint need ot read the previous ones

like, literally all the new bounty hunter models were in it besides the water guy

and they all form the gang that caem with the book of peril

venadator? vendator? for ever its spelt

also i now know squats have a terrible fake scottish accent and its amaizng

does- lex literally have a link to the pdf to the las gun wedding book

AHAHAHAH

thats hilarious all of the books have a link to the pdf

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah its ANCIENT

but really good book

Kal gets to be the temporary ruler of Necromunda

because his mom was an inquisitor who had a fling with Helmawr

absolutely memery

[rose thorn]

i had af eeling it was his mom at the end of sinners bounty

but again it was my first kal book

[storm jungle]

Nah his mom just considers him gutter trash

they meet like once in a comic lmao

[rose thorn]

oh lol

[storm jungle]

they destroy a spacehulk that has a necron tomb inside it over necromunda

[rose thorn]

also she seems pretty shitty inquisitor for letting a GSC formulate

saying that if they make a democratic council it would be easier to control

she was literally paid off bby the gsc to let them continue doing thier thing

[storm jungle]

love 40k

[rose thorn]

amazing

[storm jungle]

it was during the mid 2000's where 40k wasnt too afraid to be a lil goofy

[rose thorn]

sinners bounty released in 2019

[crystal forum]

lil devious

[rose thorn]

fr

[storm jungle]

thats old

[rose thorn]

oh my god its 2023

[storm jungle]

haha owned

[rose thorn]

i feel like terminal overkill could have been better, the child slavery chapters felt kinda gross and pointless

[storm jungle]

welcome to 40k authors

all edge no point

[crystal forum]

i disagree on the grounds of belief

[rose thorn]

i feel like the same idea would have been conveyed better with just her either going lord of the flies for a few chapters or just her trying to survive

but the cult? was really great

[rose thorn]

fair

[rose thorn]

i mean i get th emessage but she only really grew as a character at the end, nothing form that chapter besides her bieng on her death bed and having a gun for like 20 minutes

[storm jungle]

Yeah its dumb.

[rose thorn]

funfact: hearing a child talk about how she was being drowned to death being forced to rip apart a human torso in literal shit water isnt good wriitng

but beisdes taht the rest of the book was good

i only have 1 necormunda audiobook legt

left

and its the lowest rated one on iphone books

but yea also grendl grendlsen ahs made me squat minded

[green loom]

Grendl?

Like inquisitor Grendyl?

[rose thorn]

no

[green loom]

Grendyl squat confirmed?

[rose thorn]

i now require an ironhead squat book

he assisted in murdering kal because kal cheated in a game of cards, where he was the only one follwoing the rules

well

he then switched to kals side for economical reasons

[crimson kayak]

We had the same problem with compressed air hunting rifles, but now they require a license too.

Anyhow yeah they are certainly not gonna go in my home to check if the black powder pistols, blunderbuss and crossbow i got are still functional lol

[storm jungle]

40k writers trying to come up with a non-generic european name for their characters: Impossible

[crystal forum]

hold on im enjoying WaW soviet music because im into vallhalans now

https://youtu.be/gfW1bkPI8Kc?si=9Z_u6z01P2J-UNeb

playing this on repeat as i rush all my infantry

[green loom]

I have yet to see a Laszlo, now I demand representation

[storm jungle]

The Emperor has no need for heroes

[storm jungle]

It exists lmao

[crystal forum]

URAAA

[storm jungle]

like

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

I read one passage

where a character named

Damon

comes across

a Daemon

and the daemon is like

"Lmao, funny name huh"

[green loom]

"I'm going to eat you now"

[storm jungle]

Literally how it goes down lmao

let me get it, i think it was HH

[crystal forum]

if they stand for chaos, they die for chaos
building by building, room by room, one rat at a time

[storm jungle]

I loved it when Commissar Reznov bombed that building full of imperial citizens.

[crystal forum]

shut up let me have my fanfiction

[green loom]

He would do that tbh

[storm jungle]

^

[storm jungle]

:)

also Valhallans are honestly good

they got like one moronic character whos that trigger happy mary sue commissar, otherwise they are solid.

but i dont think hes been mentioned in-lore for a long time lmao

[green loom]

I liked Firstborn Daughter

[storm jungle]

also based

[green loom]

And it's call back to that other story

With the colonel

[storm jungle]

yeee

[green loom]

Very pog GW moment

Now I need to get some ideas going

To make a sort of codex cover for the Bulwark

[crisp heath]

My new Imperial OC, Damon Prince (no relation)

[green loom]

Matt Damon Prince

[queen laurel]

Less problems to worry about if you just bulldoze everything in front of you

Sponsored by yours truly marines malevolent

[plush mason]

ngl Kal was one of the best parts of the hired gun video game

him putting out a giant ass bounty on you at the end of the game was 10/10 lol

[storm jungle]

it was hilarious

especially with how cheesy and wonky the game's plot is

the perfect topping

[plush mason]

yup

also that game was one of the few to truly capture the horror of the Tyranids

[storm jungle]

kinda

it was still goofy

lmao

[queen laurel]

Until we get a game where we can play every faction and it's an rts that's the day i die

The closest i can get is unification mod for dawn of war so i'll take it for now

[versed ledge]

unification mod is great, but man is it buggy at times

[queen laurel]

Fair especially when the heavy hitting units arrived

[vast heart]

Just want a roguelike where you're a tzeentch sorcerer who gets a different mutation at the end of every stage. Like literally just make Hades in 40k and I'll be happy

Also are there any novels that feature tzaangors? I've been reading Ahriman omnibus expecting one to turn up and I'm not sure if I should be

[frosty stag]

What year did warhammer get crazy

Like outerplanetary living

[shadow plover]

well Mars was terraformed during the fourth millenium

[frosty stag]

Dayum

Thats way earlier then i thought it would be

Were the iron crusades(?) the first shit hits the fan time point

[shadow plover]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Timeline

oh that preview sucks

anyways, check out this timeline

[frosty stag]

Thank you so much

Im trying to prove to my friend that warhammer made the jump from real humans to sci-fi too quick by them settling it to ~1999

Warframe*

[green loom]

It's pretty awful tbh

[crimson kayak]

Warframe 1999 is an Alternate Timeline, like the Drifter's one and Duviri

Normal warframe is thousands upon thousands years in the future

Yes warframe lore just gets more fucking confusing as it goes on

If you need any other info about it just hit me up

[celest dome]

Who is the Erebus of Warframe ?

[crimson kayak]

Ballas is the closest

He's literally called the Golden Lord of Lies by Hunhow

[shadow plover]

I've got almost 1k hours in Warframe and I have 0 knowledge of it's lore

Also happy to keep it that way

[celest dome]

I just like the song

[crimson kayak]

It's not worth it anymore lol

[shadow plover]

I used to play it before it had any real lore, dropped it for a few years and when I got back didn't bother learning any of the stuff

[crimson kayak]

Post Second Dream it's a spiral of extremely weird lore decisions made to justify the thousands of different new mechanics during the game's Mid-life crisis

And then they jumped the shark for me when they started going into alternate universes

[shadow plover]

Also last time I played was around back when the railjack was relatively new

[crimson kayak]

Same tbh

Anyhow yeah, Warframe 1999 is not even that bad in terms of time anyway if it wasn't an Au, remember that Dark Sector was set in the cold war

And in any case it's... Way over the 40k mark now

Like, so many years in the future they stopped counting

[crimson kayak]

There's a reason why warframe tech level is basically "whatever the fuck you want" after all

[vale shuttle]

Warframe 1999 looks like one of the characters has gone back in time and i assume that that is how they got the sudden advancement in technology

Anyway Warframe is one of my favourites. i like it a lot

[coarse pumice]

Canoness Veridyan is based on Debbie Harry

[storm jungle]

Sir this is a Wendy's

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wendys-hot-and-juicy-alber-gif-25765468

[terse flume]

do orks regenerate

like, obviously the infestation does, do individual orks

[queen laurel]

They have a healing factor not so much of a regeneration though

[crimson kayak]

Also they are easy to just stitch back together

[queen laurel]

Like you can decapitate an ork and if you're quick enough you can put him back on his body or on another body and he will recover

[terse flume]

right that's docks or whatever they're called i do remember that part

paindox? paindocks?

[queen laurel]

Painboyz

[terse flume]

ah, thank u

[queen laurel]

No problem

[crystal forum]

i just realized that there's only like 5 guard regiments that actually have any lore

and everybody decides to cosplay as death korp even though they have the most difficult uniform to replicate

[storm jungle]

No lmao

Nobody cosplays Krieg because they got their own aesthetic

well that and they are Mega Kringe

[storm jungle]

Its mostly any who had an army in the past which are now non-existant ala Vostroyans, Valhallans, Mordians, Catachan, etc

same with how not every space marine chapter gets any lore at all

[crystal forum]

i just saw a video where a bunch of cosplayers show off their outfit and most of it was krieg

of course the one annoying part of the uniform is the gas mask

you cant buy their gas mask. you'd probably even need to know some leatherworking to make your own

[celest dome]

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=DKoK+Gasmask+etsy ?

[crystal forum]

meanwhile vallahans just need a greatcoat and a ushanka

[crystal forum]

you're not allowed to prove me wrong

it's in the server rules

[storm jungle]

Yeah because people are boring

Death Korps of Kringe has more popularity due to wehraboos and internet memes

[crystal forum]

i hate all of these colour schemes https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/7/75/ValhallanIceWarriorsSquad.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130212001943

maybe not the pure white one

but it looks too finnish

those greens are so gross though

[storm jungle]

Too bad.

[queen laurel]

Yo dilara, question

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[queen laurel]

In terms of strategy what's the closest in the imperial guard if i want to play something like the GLA

[storm jungle]

Lmao god

honestly depends, but Penal Legions might be the closest

down to suicide bombers and just being angry mobs

[celest dome]

What's the GLA ?

[queen laurel]

A terrorist group faction that you can play from command and conquer generals

[queen laurel]

I guess i will just have to find a way for them to have stealth technology that is extremely faulty and have a lot of cheap expendable armor

[shadow plover]

GSC broodbrothers

[storm jungle]

oh my god hes right

they literally got almost everything

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/mhsFGJs8a3A?si=nudQx9v34TVw8RnW

[plush mason]

ngl the iron legion has the better look but are held down by the color scheme

mustard yellow trench coats look bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gweMMv4RowI

ok the command deck of your ship will be become a powder keg with all these different people on it lol

[crimson kayak]

Penal legion with genestealer cult vehicles

[crimson kayak]

I mean a lot of people cosplay kriegs

It's vostroyans that are probably the least done in cosplay form

[storm jungle]

I thought he was talking about miniatures for a sec

so my brain checked out

[crimson kayak]

Lol

[storm jungle]

because right below I literally say everyone cosplays krieg

[green loom]

You can probably kill all of them
Also

You can sleep with the Eldar

[storm jungle]

Can confirm you can kill crew members randomly

its fucking hilarious

[green loom]

Can I

Kill you
Randomly

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

💀

[plush mason]

low key i half expect them to kill each other on deck lol

also

wtf is a cold trader?

[green loom]

I assume their term for "fence"

[plush mason]

makes sense

[green loom]

Oh hey I was kinda right

[plush mason]

so smuggler

yeah a smuggler seems like a must for any rogue trader

[spare osprey]

How charming

[plush mason]

oh btw. did GW make the standard cadian style tunic longer recently?

because i have noticed in a lot of recent games the guardsmen's tunics seem to be longer and are basically short waist coats

[green loom]

[spare osprey]

I mean they got a huge ol redesign so it’s possible

[plush mason]

got ya

[spare osprey]

Drastic ass change

[plush mason]

yeah

but they seem to be the same length

i just must have never noticed till now lol

also, do the DKOK bren gun carrier looking things have a model?

[queen laurel]

Alright So what name should I give it to them

It's easy to give names to orks because they're freaking simple but for imperial guard

How do I give them something good

[plush mason]

pick a random imperial world's name you like and then give them some gang name lol

[queen laurel]

I'll just call them the Garakan Scrap Rats

[plush mason]

perfect

[crystal forum]

honestly old guard models looked like shit

[plush mason]

that they did

[crystal forum]

kinda sad that lasguns don't look as chunky as they used to though

[crystal forum]

also i've seen 3d models of one but i have no idea if you can still buy a legit one

[plush mason]

got ya

[crystal forum]

i'd check forge world

[spare osprey]

I mean they were old asf

[frosty stag]

I gave up on warframe lore shortly before the new war tbh

[dry wing]

The Based reply

[frosty stag]

It was cool but then they were like “hey what if we took drugs and wrote paradox lore”

[dry wing]

Was mega into Warframe aswell. All the stuff from New war and on just.. tbh bore me.

I just want more lore and quests with the people of the Origin system

[frosty stag]

It just got overwhelming and convoluted for me

Too confusing

[plush mason]

ngl new war feels like DE just wanted to turn the lore into as big of a mindfuck as they could lol

[dry wing]

Fortuna was peak WF imo.

[queen laurel]

Warframe lore on its way to be the most confusing what the f*** inducing escapade ever

[plush mason]

yup

[frosty stag]

Yeah

They did a damn good job at it

[dry wing]

It would be dope if WF 99 was a og style CoD zombie mode

[crystal forum]

i wish

[frosty stag]

It seems so interesting tbh

Like is that Excalibur

[dry wing]

But we can all agree The Orokin is essentially Peak Dark Age WH humanity

[crystal forum]

cod zombies hasnt been good since 2012

[frosty stag]

Or just some dude

[frosty stag]

Yeah i can agree with this

Im waiting till cross save till i play again

[dry wing]

Fuck that's finally coming?

[frosty stag]

I hate switch

[dry wing]

Ooof

[frosty stag]

They said “soon”

But not like a fatshark soon

[dry wing]

Ah

Still a DE soon

[frosty stag]

Yeah

I cant fucking wait for the book weapons tho

I’ve been using nataruk but books seem way cooler

[plush mason]

even that just makes the lore more confusing tho lol

[dry wing]

Yes, but I get a fun mode out of it

[plush mason]

like. is Entradi over 2 million years old or is it just some more multiverse bs?

[dry wing]

Yes

Its funny how you don't expect it to be both AND Neither

[plush mason]

true

[dry wing]

He's been in there long enough to go to a Ben and Jerry's and get ready to tell you you're late.

[crimson kayak]

indeed it was

[crimson kayak]

i mean peak humanity was also known as the Men Of Gold after all

[crimson kayak]

apparently it's name is Arthur

[crimson kayak]

more multiverse bullshit, Entrati was also in Duviri after all

[plush mason]

didnt find him lol

i only play warframe for a few weeks after new content drops then stop because fuck that grind lol

[celest dome]

Good choice, not a bad name

[plush mason]

knowing how warframes where made, it could easily be yes to both

[crimson kayak]

i mean... he's based on the Excalibur frame

[frosty stag]

Yeah

I wonder if we will see humans of every warframe

[celest dome]

As are all Arthur

[crimson kayak]

that would get weird really quickly lol

[frosty stag]

Warframe is already there

[crimson kayak]

and also i already imagine the inevitable porn wave of doing any of the female frames

[arctic talon]

💀

[crimson kayak]

especially considering how many are there of the technocyte/mechanical ones

[arctic talon]

Do not the infested biomechanical abomination

[crimson kayak]

btw AC6 got his own third party proxy of a Storm Bolter

[dry wing]

Arthur and Excalibur. Makes sense

[dry wing]

OG rhino prime description. I wanna see that Roid Rage guy

[plush mason]

to late, Prime Wisp has been unleashed

[plush mason]

that thing

eats ammo

[arctic talon]

More ammo efficient then the mini gun tbh

[plush mason]

ofc

frankly i like the shotguns and pistols

[crisp heath]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=79fk7NLQJt0&pp=ygUOc3BhY2UgbWFyaW5lIDI%3D

[green loom]

Just realized

Lady in the gameplay preview says "The 8th never miss"

But the 8th all died on Cadia

[storm jungle]

Uhhhhh

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

Ignore that

[green loom]

That's goin in the book

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Probably reformed or something?

[storm jungle]

Yeah possible

especially with the Re-Cadiafication regimen the Imperium has going on

[green loom]

I do love me some Canadians

[stable stag]

Two pages of reading about thousand sons using tutelaries to clean their boltguns for them and I see how easy it would be for me to fall to Chaos

[storm jungle]

hey they arent daemons tho

[spare osprey]

likely alongside the installment of the new Lord Castellan

https://tenor.com/view/fs-uv-ou-alameda-trunchbull-gif-21876949

[storm jungle]

Lmfao god

Agatha Creedbull my beloved

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h04EMR0Y0Y&ab_channel=TomášČundrle

[storm jungle]

oh man Helga is a good comparison too

havent seen her in years

then again she is just a side villain

[green loom]

My memory is great when it comes to remember random video game characters and lore

But by god

I can't remember who wrote Canterbury tales

[storm jungle]

Wolfenstein already kinda enters 40k territory a lot with its dieselpunk aesthetic and memorable european-centric character design

also nazis/fascism i guess kek

[green loom]

Nazis, you mean nazis

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[spare osprey]

The ratling who stole Ursula J. Creed's rations when she got a hold of him:

https://tenor.com/view/matilda-chocolate-gif-10044774

[green loom]

In fariness I think she looks like Creed's daughter

[storm jungle]

Ursula addressing the female Cadian adults when she sees how all their new Cadian child soldiers are performing

https://tenor.com/view/trunchbull-matilda-married-why-are-all-these-women-married-miss-trunchbull-gif-18720408

[green loom]

At least it isn't some reused Sister of Battle asset

[storm jungle]

her looking more or less ugly is a great design decision yeah

[spare osprey]

still my favorite moment in the Wolfenstein games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU6tQY3eMLM

[storm jungle]

Its such a simple joke

yet has so many layers lmao

[green loom]

it's like an onion

[storm jungle]

the guard looking at Rudi 2-3 times to make sure hes laughing so he can join along as to not get punished is prob my favorite detail

I miss when Wolfenstein was good

[green loom]

Yeah uh

New Collosus was

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[spare osprey]

really enjoyed those games. played em for the first time a while back. didn't bother with the last 2

[storm jungle]

Yeah New Colossus more or less does nothing

Young Blood was just shit

Old Blood and New Order tho oof

[green loom]

It had the uhhh

Same thing that happened with the DOOM reboot

2016 had a nice style

Eternal doubled down on the arcadey look

[storm jungle]

Eternal still kicked ass and is a good game though is the thing.

New Colossus just really suffered story wise

[spare osprey]

yeah

[storm jungle]

which is a problem because the new wolfenstein games are literally all about story and characters

[spare osprey]

will say, enjoyed the scene of the Nazi getting pissed at the klan dudes cause they couldn't speak german. also enjoyed the dynamic with his father.

[storm jungle]

Yeah theres a few chunks of gold amidst the mud

"YOU ARE BUTCHERING MY BEATIFUL LANGUAGE. Say it again."

"Donkey... shaun?"

"I HEARD ENOUGH. BEGONE."

[green loom]

"I-I'm from Arizona 😅 "

[storm jungle]

fucking dies

[spare osprey]

so funny

[storm jungle]

honestly tho realistic reaction

One day we'll get a 40k game like this

aka never

[spare osprey]

around the same time i played the mass effect games for the first time i'm realizing

good games

[green loom]

I played through all 3 not too long ago

It was

Okay ig

[storm jungle]

Remember when games were good.

[green loom]

Not as hard to get into as Dragon Age

[spare osprey]

easily some of the best games i've ever damn played

[green loom]

I need to become

Epic prominent fan artist

So I can influence community tastes

[spare osprey]

i'm going the black lion route. get so much art people think my characters are canon then have them kill Ahriman

cause an OC beating a champion of chaos makes a ton of sense

[green loom]

Going to eat you

[green loom]

I've seen some

Interesting characters on twitter

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/cillian-murphy-batman-too-late-gif-7746240

[green loom]

I think my fav is the Black Templar that is dating Celestine

[spare osprey]

😐

[green loom]

Is that Cillian Murphy

Or the guy that plays Webbster in Band of Brothers

But yeah

40k OCs are

Not mine though

mine are based

[spare osprey]

believe it's him in the batman movies ja

[green loom]

Oh scarecrow

[spare osprey]

yup

[green loom]

Was thinking that

[spare osprey]

good ol Crane

[frosty stag]

Scare crow best dc villan

[green loom]

He has a really distinct face when it isn't emoting

[frosty stag]

Deserves a yellow ring tho

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-me-too-man-gif-10622525

not a single issue with em

all perfect

mhm

[green loom]

Mine can't have issues

They only exist in art

[spare osprey]

see what i do

imagine a sentence of lore

never write it down

get art of them

boom

rinse and repeat

[frosty stag]

OC as in like original characters or something im dumb and dont understand

[spare osprey]

ye good old homebrewing

[green loom]

Opaque creatures

[frosty stag]

Oh ok

I technically have one

I guess

[spare osprey]

think up next is Yaacov and Aelrik

https://tenor.com/view/rinse-repeat-jack-ryan-orinoco-film-quotes-tv-quotes-gif-27311285

[frosty stag]

My favorite kind

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/expand-on-that-seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-tell-me-more-explain-gif-20031393

[frosty stag]

A salamanders sub chapter based of my gecko

[green loom]

I have uh

[frosty stag]

Im gonna paint them but i need money for paints

[green loom]

A Chapter

[spare osprey]

very nice

[green loom]

A Chaos marine

A regiment

[frosty stag]

Chapter master’s name is Newton Augustus Salazar

[spare osprey]

i got the basic ol warband

[frosty stag]

Cuz thats my geckos name

[spare osprey]

"Watchers of Anarchy"

[green loom]

I'm still a very big fan of my naming for them

[spare osprey]

some green and black boys. cause i enjoy both the 30k adn 40k colors of the DA

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-cat-dance-gif-19944303

[green loom]

"The Angel's Bulwark"

Based on the Civilized World of Khordona

[spare osprey]

yay homebrew planets

[green loom]

I'm trying to design their fortress monastery atm

But am lazy

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shhh-dont-dont-say-that-what-the-fit-gif-16763070

[frosty stag]

Caida stands

Cadia*

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-right-gif-18464064

[frosty stag]

https://tenor.com/view/sandfall-sand-dry-gif-21207019

Cadia rn

[spare osprey]

bit more like

https://tenor.com/view/wulfy-death-star-star-wars-boom-murkury-gif-24745664

gone

deserved btw this gif tricked me

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-star-trek-picard-boom-exploding-planet-paramount-plus-gif-21804218

[frosty stag]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-of-cadia-cadia-battlefleet-gothic-gif-25242351

[winter vessel]

That’s one hell of a Gender Reveal Party

[frosty stag]

Thats what cadia was

Just some silly chaos cults gender reveal party

[red glen]

I'm interested in lore so I'd like to know...in the game what regiment is the one with the 77 marking on the shoulder. Cuz is there's the 77th cadian, but the one in the game has the inquisition "I" in it. I tried researching some stuff but couldn't find anything

[storm jungle]

Its just a random regiment number

it has nothing to do with Cadia

[green loom]

It's at best Atoman PDF

Say
77th Atoman
Get conscripted by Grendyl for his war efforts
Add an I to show off allegiance

[red glen]

Hmm

[red glen]

I mean I figured it wasn't listed but I didn't know if it was in lore somewhere.

[green loom]

You'll see a LOT of regiments that look like cadians since their stuff is "standard"(for as much as that counts with the guard)

[red glen]

Yea know that. I'm just more interested in the insignia and what it means

[storm jungle]

It doesn't mean anything tbh

Its just there for visuals

Even the insignia itself is just Number with Skull In it™️ which is generic cool army symbol making 101 when it comes to sigil designwork

[dry wing]

One session. All the base colors.

[vast heart]

Warhammer tries really hard to make you feel like they've considered every detail and built the world organically down to like, every numbered regiment having real lore but its really not the case.

They just kinda pick a number and leave enough room before/after to allow retconning or the addition of new info, thats why so much stuff is left intentionally vague: they're giving themselves the 'out' to essentially change half of anything that's in the lore on a whim

[round cedar]

is there a 40k weapon with a similar look to the brettonian longsword?
i want them to add something just like it but the guard dont seem to take any normal looking swords

[arctic talon]

there's normal like literal great swords in the 40k setting that the imperium uses

[round cedar]

true lol

i just want some weapon that has the B longsword's gimmick, thing was fun af

[round cedar]

pretty

[red glen]

power sword

[green loom]

You should join space knight enjoyer gang

[red glen]

Average black templar enjoyer

[green loom]

None for tabletop afaik but Guard lore by it's nature allows you to write them as using such stuff

[red glen]

yea a lot of the melee weapons seem to be improvised so its pretty easy to write them into tabletop for IG

[green loom]

You can also

Straight up

Make feudal guard

[arctic talon]

^

there's a really good GW kitbash

one moment

[green loom]

Iirc

In the siege

[red glen]

^

[green loom]

It's mentioned that Imperial Army Halberdiers picked off whoever dropped off the wall

[red glen]

When are we going to get another guard based game

last one was like 2005

[green loom]

In five million years

[red glen]

its all i want

[arctic talon]

idfk

[red glen]

id sell both my kidneys

[arctic talon]

Killteam might as well be a guard based game

[red glen]

yucky

[green loom]

Marines are far too popular to be supplanted as protags

Even if there's literally almost two dozen other factio s

[red glen]

i mean they are but i like playing from the grunts perspective

[arctic talon]

There's literally 7 guard killteams

if we count traitor guard and traitor militia

[red glen]

the guard are the backbone of the imperium

[green loom]

There's a lot of stories you could adapt to fps format that'd be kickass s

But

[round cedar]

yea back in the day i brewed up lore for a custom guard regiment called the Bashlik Sellswords, who were complete bastards who would show up to a system in need, and demand an absolutely outrageous payment in exchange for helping.

they only survive off their extortions cuz the admech wont support them after trying to extort a hive world

[green loom]

That means less book sales

[red glen]

Id also settle for a last stand of cadia game

[round cedar]

photoshopped otgether the drip outfit

[green loom]

I'm based I draw all my guys

[red glen]

bren guns are gross tho

[round cedar]

unique tho

[red glen]

yes

[round cedar]

bren las gun

[red glen]

but british

[arctic talon]

This whole setting is bri'ish

[round cedar]

i see

🤢

[red glen]

no its hIgH gOtHiC

[green loom]

Best homebrew hours

[red glen]

horned templar

[round cedar]

but yea bren guns and longswords were their getup

[red glen]

great horned templar

[green loom]

He's a blood angel

[red glen]

nocturnal hunters

[arctic talon]

High gothic as a language technically includes some East asian stuff lol

Its like a mix between Latin, some east asian language and english

except everything we see is just great value latin lul

But high gothic would be incomphrehensible to anyone who knows latin

[green loom]

Behold Matthias, High King of the Angel's Bulwark, Scion of the Great Angel!

[round cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-cat-surprised-gif-5843462

[green loom]

In fairness, latin is incomprehensible anyway half the time

[round cedar]

there werent any guard regiments that acted like mercenary groups, so thats why i made the Sellswords. some functioning regiments would definitely extort the worlds in need, especially in the imperium nihilus

[red glen]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

high king?

[arctic talon]

real

[green loom]

I had it for 4 years

[red glen]

timor mortis conturbat me

[arctic talon]

chapters have a lot of weird titles

you can do pretty much whatever you want

tbh

[green loom]

Best thing I learned for translation is just
"Read it, guess"

[round cedar]

also not enough guard regiments wear cool ass knight armor, so this was what i could come up with. i wanted a unique looking las gun for them so the las bren was what i came up with, but do y'all have any other ideas?

[arctic talon]

Bren is fun

have you considered the french LMG

from WW1 that jammed a ton

I forgot its name

[queen laurel]

is high king your chapter master?

[round cedar]

circle flat mag one?

[green loom]

Did knights wear scale

[green loom]

Yeah

[round cedar]

some did

[arctic talon]

Scale mail?

[green loom]

He's head honcho

[arctic talon]

yeah some did

[green loom]

Due a facelift in my new paint style

God I can already see him...

[arctic talon]

China didn't have knights but they used a ton of scale armor historically

[green loom]

Romans used Squamata right?

[round cedar]

this thang?

[arctic talon]

yeah

[green loom]

The chauchat?

[round cedar]

not bad looking tbh

[arctic talon]

ye

[arctic talon]

it looks super cool imo

[green loom]

Feel like it was more popular pre fall tbh

[arctic talon]

too bad it jammed in like 4->10 shots on average lmao

[green loom]

Post it was all bout that mail

[arctic talon]

tbh

chain mail was a lot more useful overall

[green loom]

Also gambesons=Chad and the best fit for a feudal regiment

[round cedar]

honestly this looks pretty fire for potential las weapon

unique design, implied high mag capacity, room for big bayonet

[arctic talon]

kinda looks like a galvanic rifle

prolly bcs of the big drum

[round cedar]

oh...

its literally that

musta been the inspiration lol

[arctic talon]

absolutely was I think lol

[green loom]

Looks like a steampunk SMLE

[round cedar]

i like the look of the bren, but a knight themed regiment should really have big bayonets, and i dont think those would work well on las-bren

[queen laurel]

damn internet

[round cedar]

too big and clunky to use a bayonet well

[green loom]

Just give them spears

[round cedar]

perhaps if all the sellsword guardsmen has shortswords

[arctic talon]

The galvanic rifle is funny from a lore perspective

[green loom]

Like, actual spears

[round cedar]

cant easily carry a big spear and a bren

[arctic talon]

because thing thing can pierce light vehicle armor lol

[round cedar]

altho spears are underused in 40k

[green loom]

Is that the thing rangers use to snip bits off knights

[arctic talon]

Yeah

lol

[round cedar]

they were really that good?

[arctic talon]

Lore wise they're horrifying

[green loom]

I have a bunch of my marines using spears because they look cool as fuck

[arctic talon]

they're EMPs + can pierce armor better then bolters

[green loom]

Rangers are precise enough to disable knights with them

[arctic talon]

also the bullets have servitor brains in them

the only downside to them is that they're #1 kinda heavy(not an issue for skitarii) #2 expensive as shit

[round cedar]

guard troops with spears sticking out of their backs would look pretty cool, but may be too impractical

[arctic talon]

also their rate of fire is despite looking like a musket

is as fast as lasguns on a standard setting

[green loom]

Make them foldable, duh

[arctic talon]

why? I don't know

but admech gun lore is weird as shit

compared to gun that literally sucks the potential energy out of things

[round cedar]

well the helmet i used for the sellswords was from the ottoman empire, perhaps a standard issue melee weapon oughta take a similar inspiration

[arctic talon]

oh

that would be fun

[round cedar]

they do a lot of these fancy ceremonial daggers

hmm

but is there something to better show off their bastard mercenary nature?

damn these spears were fire, but standard troops wouldnt carry em on their backs

i guess a mix of the fancy dagger, big curved sword, and bastard sword depending on rank/status

[celest dome]

Chaucha or something ?

[arctic talon]

I think?

[vast heart]

This makes me want cowboy admech lmao. Like imagine just bumpkin-ass admech who have minimal body mods and just "live off the land" but its fuckin mars so they rely heavily on technology anyway and don't acknowledge the hypocrisy

[celest dome]

Well they do have their cavalry men and they do use Archeo Revolvers

[vast heart]

They ik they have like elements of wild west steampunk design but a proper subfaction would be kinda neat and lean into the slightly goofy vibe admech have

Maybe more of a lore thing tbh idk if admech really need subfactions

[arctic talon]

Admech is already a mess of an army in game

because GW can't make up their mind with them

in both major game systems

[crystal forum]

i cannot describe in words my love for bolt action guns that have been modified into automatic rifles

[round cedar]

know of any other cool looking ones?

[crystal forum]

here's a couple of cool looking LMG's and automatic rifles (old term for what would be a battle rifle these days) :

farquhar-hill
fedorov avtomat
colt monitor (a BAR adopted by the FBI)
1917 burton (yes it has two mags)

[round cedar]

zamn

lasgun BAR would go super hard

and farqual looks sick

[crystal forum]

if you want some really cool guns that look antiquated and are rarely seen you should go with a very specific period of weaponry.
Between the era of bolt action guns and muzzle loading guns there wasn't really the concept of a "magazine". when the cartridge was invented rifles still only shot once before needing to reload

[round cedar]

used both of those in BF1

[green loom]

Me when the WW2 video game reloads the SVT/G43 with magazines

[crystal forum]

you can choose:

martini henry (the famous one)
Berdan rifle (russian)
springfield trapdoor
mauser 1871

[round cedar]

those look cool af

[crystal forum]

these guns shot absolutely massive rounds

they had very little velocity but their mass alone would hit like a truck

[round cedar]

but as a homebrew guard regiment i was wanting them to have different looking but otherwise functional las guns

idk if i can do that with those long rifles, but with the farquad, bar, and bren i see potential

[crystal forum]

if you want a cool looking BREN look at the original czech version called the ZB vz. 26

i have a soft spot for heat fins

they make any gun look ten times cooler

[round cedar]

gawd dayum thats cool af

just slap on an aquilla and its perfect

[round cedar]

is that a left handed handle on the side or a foldable one?

[crystal forum]

i believe that's a handle for changing the barrel

im not sure though

[queen laurel]

i want punt gun lasgun

[crystal forum]

i dont remember the name of that type of gun but i think it was for duck hunting

[queen laurel]

it was so effective it had to be banned

[nocturne crest]

Yep.

[queen laurel]

[round cedar]

clean af

[crystal forum]

that's russian right?

[round cedar]

and plenty of room for a bayonet

[nocturne crest]

Danish.

[crystal forum]

oh boy

[round cedar]

did those things use bayonets?

[nocturne crest]

Used by a lot of European powers in WW1 and WW2.

[crystal forum]

let me introduce you to japanese machineguns

[nocturne crest]

And the Brazilian Police.

[round cedar]

it looks way cleaner and less bulky than the bulky las-bren i photoshopped together

will def make a new version of this image with one of those older ZB 26s

[crystal forum]

that mag is goofy

[nocturne crest]

Still looks good for something that is 121 years old.

[nocturne crest]

Do you think the Orks would make wooden cannons if they didn't have enough scrap around them?

[tough haven]

Definitely

[round cedar]

yea but theyd be one time use and definitely kill the user

ork can make weapons work that othes couldnt, but they cant make them work well or consistently without the right parts

like a gun made by orks will shoot well for them, but will jam constantly or fail to load for a human

[queen laurel]

hell if they don't have the technology they will just make thump guns

[nocturne crest]

Right, but I'm asking if they lack the metal, would they use alternative materials, such as wood?

[queen laurel]

oh definitely

[lime basalt]

Howdy! Quick lore question, are there any Ogryn Servitors?

[green loom]

Ye

If it has a brain there's probably a servitor ofi t

Ayo new art dropped

[celest dome]

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-BE/Jotunn-H-grade-Servitor-Ogryns-2020

[winter vessel]

I’m impressed he managed to score a hit on that thing that close.

He’s be dead even before they close the distance.

[lime basalt]

Huh, they don't seem to have their craniums modified much. Do... do they not lobotomize Ogryns? Or maybe they do but that's like putting a hat on a hat so it doesn't make much difference.

[normal light]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/640905692869296129/1102267980190064660/caption-1.gif

[storm jungle]

That's from the Octarius War book

[green loom]

I've been bamboozled

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Excuse me while I murder someone

[storm jungle]

AA-

[green loom]

[crystal forum]

tabletop battles look very stupid sometimes

artillery pieces being right next to the enemy. tanks being swarmed by enemies but still shooting like normal

and the maps are always too small for the amount of units so starting positions look so overfilled

[normal light]

Well Monsters and Vehicles fire their guns frilly while in Melee with Enemy

About Artillery , well there thing like Manticore which could shoot up to 240"

But technically Arty also can shoot their range weapons while in Melee

[crystal forum]

yeah that's why i'm saying it looks stupid. I know this is how the game works but it looks goofy to look at

[plush mason]

absolute chad

[normal light]

Well default Infantry AT having a maximum strength of 9 looks goofy

[round cedar]

u saying the bulky blocky bren was chad or the slimmer ZB 26?

[plush mason]

the armor lol

[round cedar]

yea the armor was totally someone else's art that i photoshopped the other parts on (helmet, gun)

wanted to make a scaled uniform ottoman themed but lack the talent

[green loom]

I don't!
Wink wink nudge nudge

[round cedar]

aint put enough thought into the idea to get actual art commissioned

basic idea of the Bashlic Sellsword Regiment:

in the imperium nihilus, its damn hard to run a guard regiment with how impossible it is to maintain supply lines
this fleet based regiment comes to planets in need that they believe is an easy fight, will not help at all until they extort massive fees from the governor for their aid on the battlefield
as bastard mercenaries, the troops are well equipped and treated pretty well, being assigned on 10 year contracts of service, where at the end they can get paid and be dropped off at the next planet with an honorable discharge, or get promoted for a bigger payout after 10 more years (few live this long in service)

ideas to make em cooler or fit better in lore appreciated

random idea for em: hatchet laspistol for CBQ (best paired with a roundshield)

[green loom]

Just yap about here, I can make you a basic design free of charge

[green loom]

Mmmm they probably won't be fleet based, but they could have a deal with like
A rogue trader or such

He gives them transport
They give him a cut

[round cedar]

i appreciate it, but wouldnt want to use your valuable time for just an idea i wont do anything with lol

[green loom]

Practice is practice

[round cedar]

that does make sense, and there arent any regiments im aware of that are led by a rogue trader

and it would work well with their extortion nature

inquisition might tolerate it becuase in the nihilus a regiment like this could put out a few more fires then they cause

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Why it has a “Regiment” in it’s name?

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heck yea! the idea i had for em was basically this: scaled mail with an ottoman Chichak helmet, and maybe simple cloak for cool factor, and a las version of the ZB vz 26 with a bayonet (to add more cool lookin las guns to the setting)

but no rush at all and if you cant get to it no worries

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because they function as a regiment of the imperial guard, although very unorthodox

unless that dont make sense lore wise

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They are an IG Regiment or have similar structure?

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yes

[normal light]

What of this 2 is correct?

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they started as an imperial guard regiment, but then the great rift happened and now they are functionally a mercenary band under the colors of a guard regiment

[normal light]

So technically Renegades

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like those firefighters in ancient cities that would haggle you for the price of your home and buy it for pennies on the dollar or let it burn

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yea technically but its the imperium nihilus where everything is chaos, and if your planet is being swarmed by deamons, having these guys come is a moderate improvement

[normal light]

Well then everything seems to be in place

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they are loyal to the imperium and pay lip service to the emperor as long as they get paid

they only answer calls to distress if they think the world has resources they can easily extort from it for a profit

[crystal forum]

i feel like this would be highly illegal

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its imperium nihilus

the bad side of the imperium where even the astronomicon barely works

they get away with it because there are bigger fish to fry over there

[crystal forum]

they'd be making enemies with a ton of planetary governors

[normal light]

Well , I think their path will led them becoming another pirate gang that swarms the galaxy

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thats the thing tho

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Or going down and becoming Heretics

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they only go to a planet once and collect their fee as a lump sum, because a planet not in crisis will resist their extortions

[normal light]

Because you know , Dark Gods can give you more

[crystal forum]

space scalpers

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yea probably lol but for now they are loyal and cool for it

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exactly

too many guard regiments with loyalty and zeal

need something that feels more desperate

[crystal forum]

that's because all the popular regiments are the best ones

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yea these would be edgy and cool due to being bad boys

[normal light]

Well as unknown Commissar said: There is only one step between unbelieving and heresy

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with epic knight armor

[normal light]

Scail Mail = Epic Knight Armor 💀

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look up ottoman knights

[normal light]

If they Middle-eastern themed, okay

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picture this: you are a governor on a planet with a very bad chaos uprising like Atoma in DT. soon the entire planet will be screwed. the only ones to answer your distress call is a massive fleet that will only land and help if you promise to give them a massive sum of raw materials, wealth, and people.

do you say "no thats illegal/heretical" and let the planet burn, or pay the steep price for salvation

thats how they operate

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And then live on fucked up planet with little resources left

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better than giving it to the heretics

[normal light]

Pretty good and miserable life

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its 40k after all

they are like having the flesh tearers help your planet, but guard flavored and not as bad

[crystal forum]

you should embrace the illegal aspect and just make them pirates that also fight as a guard

necromunda guard regiments are mostly gang members

after all even pirates are needed by the imperium. the slave trade is what keeps the steady flow of servitors coming

[normal light]

I think from point of view of any Loyal Governor you would better die in flames killing as much heretics as you can , rather giving you precious resources that will be need in further survival of your planet to some IG Regiment whose loyalty to the Emperor is questionable

And they also may be heretics

[crystal forum]

also this. how does the governor not know he's potentially giving resources to tau

[normal light]

Like yea , maybe you are a Xenos lover?

Who knows?

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what?

they are humans

[crystal forum]

tau use humans too

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Maybe this regiment will get resources and just left

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they use guard tactics and organization (commisars, commanders, etc)

[crystal forum]

wait your guard has commissars?

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as ive seen from many 40k books, governors will do anything to stay alive

[crystal forum]

how does that work with the illegal aspect

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good question

[crystal forum]

commissars are trained apart from their regiments precisely so this doesn't happen

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lemme think about that

[normal light]

Just a bunch of Enforcers

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its imperium nihilus, so they didnt get a batch of commisars, so they made their own

?

[normal light]

Who maintain discipline

And make sure soldiers follow orders of their officers

[round cedar]

good point

perhaps the rogue trader(s) that they work with supply their own discipline officers ?

hmm good points

[normal light]

Well , In both variants survival of Governor is not guaranteed

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that's not how commissars work. they're political officers trained by a completely different part of the militarum. they're pretty much useless if trained to be criminals because their entire purpose is to remove dissent

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a guard regiment using their military might to extort desperate worlds in the chaos of nihilus is a baller concept, but i do need to figure out how differently theyd be structured and organized

[crystal forum]

it would either have commissars or something completely different

[normal light]

Well they can try to cleanse corruption in mercenary ranks

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something different seems like the only option

they are a very unorthodox guard regiment after all

[scenic bolt]

they killed their commissars

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Or just dropped them on some random world

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or they could have normal commisars but the commisars are beholden to the authority of the rogue trader's that run the Sellswords

on the battlefield they fight mostly as a normal guard regiment, but the commisars dont have an influence on the extortions or whose distress calls are answered

[normal light]

Their structure depends on what you want them to be

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i think the best way is to have the interior structure mostly similar to average guard, but the exterior decisions (like extorting worlds and cool armor) is what sets em apart

[normal light]

Em regular Regimental Commissars already don’t have a lot of authority about what their Regiment would do

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indeed