40k-lore-chat

[terse flume]

they're small, they're fatshark literally

[arctic talon]

theres like 6 different ones by name in universe

[terse flume]

they would never be able to bid on "40k as a licence", but this granular approach, slice it thin, get lots and lots of games out, lets them farm out dev talent

[crimson kayak]

Like, in lore a pox walker horde screaming literally Hurts your soul

And also gives you the walking pox

[terse flume]

and the smaller studio gets the right to work on a recognized IP

we'd never have heard of fatshark otherwise

they'd be making weird mapgames

[crisp heath]

Goes to say Star Wars didn’t have much variety or games when only EA had the exclusive license for about 10 years?

Now that’s changed and many other developers have the license to make their own in-universe

[crystal forum]

that's what my point was. GW tends to hire more small studios because the studios need the IP for brand recognition.

[terse flume]

well, the triple as would equally love the brand recognition

like it sells titles

[crystal forum]

big game companies like activision wouldn't care all if they had to give even 1% of profit to GW

[celest dome]

Do they approach studios or the other way around ?

[crystal forum]

i don't know

[terse flume]

they have some sort of system to let devs or probably publishers pitch them ideas, and the inverse, they will have some osrt of team somewhere doing "the next gen 40k fps" or whatever

who are looking for devs

[storm jungle]

Late but it wasn't GW's idea to make Space Marine 2

[terse flume]

well activision would give well more than a point for that kind of licence, but it would come with a lot of stings and oversight

[storm jungle]

this studio approached them with the request

GW itself doesnt give a fuck unfortunately

[terse flume]

this is also not uncommon at all

i think this is how nintendo pitches work too

[storm jungle]

Yeah the main company does not care

if you want to make a game you approach GW

they dont see video-games as a big focus point

At the end of the day minis make a lot more money

[crystal forum]

is 40k that popular though? remember how facebook killed off a VR game because 20k active players wasn't profitable enough

[terse flume]

this is the other advantage with taking on lots of little projects intead of a few big ones

[storm jungle]

40k is never gonna be that popular i dont think.

[terse flume]

reduced risk profile

[storm jungle]

its a niche universe with a niche audience

[celest dome]

For smaller Ip or author one usually it's the game studio that approach the Ip holder

[storm jungle]

the fans just like to act like they are big-shots

[terse flume]

if you make a small number of games and they bomb, that risks damaging the almighty brand

if you make a ton of games people will mostly remember the good ones, and the mobile trash gets forgotten

[terse flume]

40k in the uk at least is a legit brand. i am not 5 minutes awya from a retail location, and i would need to drive multiple hours to get to an apple store

[storm jungle]

Anywhere that isn't UK meanwhile

[crystal forum]

literally every IP has a trashy mobile game. i dont even register it as real

[terse flume]

haha, yeah

[storm jungle]

i think theres like 2-3 GW shops in turkey

lmao

[crisp heath]

It’s already the most popular table top game there is.

Henry Cavill spearheading the live action Warhammer Cinematic Universe is only gonna do more for the brand itself

[storm jungle]

Its really not

and Cavill is not doing that what

[crimson kayak]

Yeah for example here in Italy tabletop in general is not popular to begin with

[crystal forum]

table top games are already niche as hell

[storm jungle]

^

DnD is king

Warhammer is close but not that much

also Cavill is not doing a massive cinematic universe

[terse flume]

dnd had a moment in the past 5-10 years

[storm jungle]

thats just redditor copium lmao

[terse flume]

live play podcasts got weirdly big

[storm jungle]

yeah stuff like that is MUCH more popular

[crimson kayak]

I mean you can get a campaign without doing/learning anything, I can see the appeal

[crystal forum]

the only people who still play board games post internet are germans

[crisp heath]

I don’t play tabletop, and I don’t think you’ve been keeping up, Cavill is executively producing W40K with Amazon announced last year

[crimson kayak]

One show

[storm jungle]

I've been into 40k for like 11 years

[crimson kayak]

Not a cinematic universe

[storm jungle]

Also executive producer can mean anything

[crimson kayak]

Also this yeah

[storm jungle]

he could just be an announcer for a tabletop show for all we know

GW doesnt sink money in things it doesnt believe

ala half their animated stuff

lmao

[crisp heath]

All I’m saying is you guys need to check out his own posts

[storm jungle]

I mean we did, its not much.

mostly because NDA lol

[crimson kayak]

This, there's literally nothing concrete or set in stone yet

[storm jungle]

Yeah we'll see what they even do

I dont have much faith

hes just a big celebrity with a big name

[crystal forum]

at least he actually loves 40k

[crisp heath]

Not sure why Cavill would agree to do this if he wasn’t passionate or wasn’t able to depict what he has always wanted for years and so many others. I think you guys underestimate his vision and GW’s

[crystal forum]

i love hearing him nerd out about 40k

[crimson kayak]

A vision is not reality, you still have to deal with all the bullshit regarding trying to bring 40k into live action

[storm jungle]

^

Also a company has more power than a random celebrity

[crimson kayak]

Like, the Eternal Crusade team had a fucking great vision for example and look where it brought them

[crystal forum]

meh it wont be hard to do CGI shit. that's what a lot of scifi is these days anyways

[crisp heath]

It’s a partnership ongoing as we speak

[storm jungle]

And GW still has more power than he does

[crimson kayak]

Ye, I mean that the final product may have a lot of problems related to production, costs, cast, fidelity ecc ecc

Having money and an idea is just the first step

[storm jungle]

I legit got no idea why people think Cavill will be allowed to do anything he wants when we dont even have any idea how much of 40k lore he even knows lmao

[crimson kayak]

There's still the rest of the ladder to climb

[crystal forum]

you need to watch interviews where he nerds out. he's actually one of us it's crazy

[crimson kayak]

Tbh seeing modern show's cgi/how cgi artists are treated yes I would start to panic

[storm jungle]

Ehhh nah

[crystal forum]

like he'll start explaining lore to his interviewers who have no clue what 40k even is

[storm jungle]

like

the entire cult of personality 40k fans have around Cavill is legit cringe

[crisp heath]

Of course, but it doesn’t change the fact he’s an ambassador of it. It’s practical they chose him because he has been vocal about W40k from time to time, and yes he has tens of millions of followers that are potential customers for GW

[storm jungle]

I think you are extremely overestimating how much authority he'd have. He's just a flagship celebrity for GW.

AND

40k fans bitch about something GW does then instantly go back to buying from them a day later. They have no conviction and are just mindless consumers, you can never really make a dent in anything GW does unless its their own bad business decisions which has happened in the past ironically

Their opinions dont matter at the end of the day, a large portion of the 40k fandom does not care who Cavill is or what he does.

[crisp heath]

I’ve seen it, but I’m not deterred. He’s just a passionate guy whether it’s W40k or not

[storm jungle]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[crystal forum]

i believe in cavill. having love for a universe already makes you better than most producers

[crimson kayak]

Also having a big fan/series creator behind it doesn't mean it's going to be good.
Have you seen the One Piece live action trailer?

And that has Oda himself at the helm

[crisp heath]

Oddities, but some people rather complain or be pessimistic than just enjoy what they could from my perspective.

[crystal forum]

that's a netflix original, it's different

[green loom]

Idk man the only thing Cavill has going for him is that he's hot

He doesn't have too good a track record

[storm jungle]

That's called reality. I've been in this fandom for more than a decade so I know what's it like believe me

[crystal forum]

does he?

[green loom]

Also the show is on Amazon

[crystal forum]

he hasn't done much bad stuff

[crystal forum]

invincible is on amazon

[green loom]

So is Rings of Power

[crystal forum]

so is the boys

[green loom]

Neither comparable to the CGI mess that a 40k show would be

[crimson kayak]

The boys literally had to change his entire story

Because the original was the shit one

Lol

[crystal forum]

we don't talk about the original comics

i think most the boys fans are supernatural fans who desperately needed more content

[green loom]

But basically it's a live action 40k show
Recipe for disaster may be generous

[storm jungle]

Garth Ennis is also a misogynistic piece of shit

very happy what Amazon did with their own plot

[crisp heath]

Probably true, to me it’s a state of mind and it’s one I tend not to bogged down by. If I don’t like something, I just move on or try again later 🤷‍♂️

[crystal forum]

it's eisenhorn though. probably one of the best choices for a live action remake

[crimson kayak]

This, just this, it's not much about who you put at the helm but the fact that due to how heavy you must go in CGI they could have just funded Lord Inquisitor instead

[near wasp]

Im optimistic about the 40k show

[green loom]

Wym, we have no idea what it's going to be

[storm jungle]

The Dune movies tried and while being extremely epic even they cannot fully capture the scope of the books at times.

Its almost impossible with 40k

[crystal forum]

i dont think CGI is that expensive these days. lots of shows overuse it a ton

[storm jungle]

you basically need a MCU movie budget

[green loom]

And again

[storm jungle]

And they always look bad

[crimson kayak]

Sorry, I mean good cgi

[green loom]

We know fuck all about it

Beyond "yeah it's in the works"

[crystal forum]

i don't think amazon understands the concept of good CGI

[crisp heath]

I remember Syama Pedersen of ASTARTES, I wonder about him from time to time. Some wonder if he’s being assigned to the upcoming W40k live action show

[green loom]

I doubt it

Make no mistake

He's great at his job

But he has a style

[crimson kayak]

Like, unironically a Darktide Tie-in series would be one of the best choices for them lol

[crystal forum]

i swear the reveal animations for 10th edition were made by him

[crisp heath]

Space Marines dealing out, style lol

[crystal forum]

they look like something he'd make

[storm jungle]

That guy has moved onto other animations

[green loom]

He more than likely works for M2 animation now

[storm jungle]

you can see it on his patreon

[crystal forum]

oh

[crimson kayak]

Also rememeber that one of the bit problems is also having good CGI actually interact with live action scenes

[green loom]

Or at least

Helps out geebledubz

[crisp heath]

Those recent cinematic trailers since 3 years now have been good from my perspective

[crimson kayak]

Stuff like Astartes works because it's All Cgi

[storm jungle]

They are good because they are Edition trailers

aka where GW can actually use their budget

[green loom]

The studio making them is M2 right

[storm jungle]

anything else is cheap picture slideshows

[green loom]

Same guys doing Pariah Nexus

[crystal forum]

i love how shitty the "movie" parts of the boys are because they can't make stuff look as good as actual marvel movies

[storm jungle]

"Girls get it done"

[crystal forum]

tv show CGI is so fun

[crisp heath]

We can debate as is, but everyone knows what made Game of Thrones good (up to S6) was because the actors and their interactions. CGI was just a plus to help with scope of that world

[storm jungle]

It was more that they had the books to go off of

[crimson kayak]

Game of thrones isn't also set in the universe where absolutely everything is batshit insane

[storm jungle]

theres not much to debate

[crystal forum]

game of thrones also used a ton of set dressing and real stuff

[storm jungle]

it was good until then

[green loom]

And early seasons used ass tons of practical effects

[near wasp]

Honestly i can look past some shoddy cgi as long as theres a good story

[storm jungle]

the moment the creators ran out of book plot it went downhill

lmao

[crimson kayak]

Much easier to bring medieval times back to life than the 41th millenium with Transhuman demigods and fuckton of aliens

[crystal forum]

the difference about 40k is you can't make custom sets everywhere because it's all so unique to the setting. in fantasy settings you just go to new zealand and you have 80% of your footage

[storm jungle]

You kinda can

its basically IRL slums but with skulls and gothic architecture

it just takes time and a budget lol

[crystal forum]

you'd have to spend so much time making those

[storm jungle]

Yeah so its not worth live-action

[crystal forum]

they'd just CGI that shit

[green loom]

They just need to film in London

[storm jungle]

40k lies in animation

[crisp heath]

True that, the books are what’s up. I’m sure many are still collectively upset with those writers, goodness, terrible last season is an understatement

[storm jungle]

GoT got forgotten by the world instantly

i genuinely have never seen anything like it

[green loom]

Yep lol

House of the Dragon was

Okay

Ig

[storm jungle]

It was great

Daemon my beloved

https://tenor.com/view/daemon-targaryen-gif-26361042

[green loom]

I should have expected this

[crystal forum]

you can tell how bad a tv show is when they start going off source material. look at walking dead

[storm jungle]

LEL

[crisp heath]

HOTD was very good

[crisp heath]

I really don’t know how they kept going, I stopped when they left the prison lol

Now there’s 2 or 3 spin-offs

[crystal forum]

same. weird how popular it remained

[green loom]

People got angry about the Velaryons lol

[crystal forum]

i think it's boomers who love it

[green loom]

I liked some of the HotD costume design

[crisp heath]

I haven’t read the book because spoilers, but I know the Velaryons casted worked in the show. Therefore I don’t have a preconception or expectation otherwise

[green loom]

For like Targaryen goons and stuff

The main show had

Far

Far

Far too much black

By the end every fucking main character was wearing like

[crisp heath]

True, HOTD is of reverence and depiction of their power

[green loom]

Coal black

Jonny and what's her face made sense, one's a nights watch dude and Danny's livery is black

[crimson kayak]

I remember people saying house of the dragon costumes where too fake looking, but I didn't watch it sooo can't say

[crisp heath]

What’s very nice about HOTD is GRRM seems to have more say than in GoT. Source material being finished as well lol

[storm jungle]

GRMM also loves working on anything that isnt writing Game of Thrones

its a shame since hes legit gonna die at this point

[crisp heath]

Yea how long has it been since he’s been writing his sequels? 😆

[crystal forum]

he once critiqued tolkien and for that reason he is dead to me

[crisp heath]

Sometimes I wonder if it’s already written, and when he dies it’ll be released as his last work/legacy lol

[crystal forum]

i can see him trolling like that as his final act

meanwhile stephen king proving that cocaine extends your lifespan

[crisp heath]

I like to think the last 2 books are already done and he's just keeping them in his attic because he thinks it's funny

[storm jungle]

George R. R. Martin has been working on The Winds of Winter, the second-to-last book in the A Song of Ice and Fire series since at least 2010. In a new blog post in July 2023, he shared he's been working on the book "Almost every day. Writing, rewriting, editing, writing some more.

jesus christ

[crisp heath]

And it's all true because other people have said they've seen what he has so far and say it's at least as long as the previous two books combined

so around 1,500 pages

[crisp heath]

LOTR trilogy movies will always be the set example of what legendary look like. Although I haven’t read the books I know Tolkien describes something in multiple pages I believe, cool they ate food lol

[near wasp]

[crisp heath]

Lol I remember him saying he was writing during the pandemic too

Tolkien is pretty succinct tbh

He'll take a paragraph to be really regale you with how pretty something is and then hit you with "and then someone got stabbed, moving on"

I can only imagine writing, editing, and revising something that’s quite important to many

[crisp heath]

Lol

I’ll read Tolkien someday, I hear you can learn something year by year as we get older

Start with The Hobbit tbh

It's a literal kids book, even pretty weak readers can get through it in a couple days

Also the best Middle-Earth book by a mile

[green loom]

They were better than all of GoT save maybe Season 1

Also I am back after discovering "Firstborn Daughter"

Pretty based

[crystal forum]

"just a kid's book" they'd say these days

[crisp heath]

Anyway who is your favorite son of Feanor and why is it Maglor

[crystal forum]

i hate elves

if i can critique tolkien for one thing it's that he didn't make dwarves more important

[green loom]

Maglor? From Mystery of the Druids?

[crisp heath]

https://tolkiengateway.net/w/images/7/7b/Elena_Kukanova_-_Maglor.jpeg

This gloomy motherfucker

[crystal forum]

by the magic of the druids

unrelated and this is mostly for me but i find it important that earthshaker cannons can be used as AA

very important lore

[crisp heath]

Implying the guard doesn't small arms fire as AA

[green loom]

My reaction to this information

[balmy tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSxYTn8wCak necrons in my Horus Heresy?

[crystal forum]

that's like the only faction that legit has 0 involvement with that era

[arctic talon]

They’re almost all sleeping

[arctic talon]

Tau 🤓

[nocturne crest]

Can you use it in a direct fire role?

[crystal forum]

yes, apparently

no mention of an AP round though so you're just lobbing HE in a more direct manner

it's almost as good as the german 88mm

[green loom]

They confirmed the Eldar

[crimson kayak]

It's literally in the cover what you mean

[green loom]

I mean for romance

[spare osprey]

The space wolf shoulda been romanceable

[storm jungle]

A lot of the cast is ironically unromancable

even normal human crew members lmao

[storm jungle]

Also yeah out of 10 crew members those 4 are the only ones lmao

and 2 of them are straight

[winter vessel]

My mind immediately thought of the Romance paths for Shepherd in Mass Effect

[arctic talon]

What the hell does her romantic preference being “unknown” mean lmao

Owlcat pls

[versed ledge]

sweet! so there's going to be romance in rogue trader?

Romance in a 40k game? Can Love Bloom?

[arctic talon]

Yeah it was confirmed a while ago

[versed ledge]

WOOOHOOO

I would love to have a sister of battle waifu that isn't insane for the emprah

or a slaaneshi noble woman

[storm jungle]

Sister isnt romancable.

[storm jungle]

Unknown is basically "you are suppose to find out yourself" according to their guy on twitter.

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

N/A is not romancable which is like almost the entire cast

lmao

[arctic talon]

Also theres a dark eldar companion aparantly

That’s sure to end well

[storm jungle]

Yeah its great

you can also romance him

[storm jungle]

Also don't wanna give spoilers but-

[arctic talon]

Wait his name is Marzipan

Like the confection?

[storm jungle]

Marazhai

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

Oh

[storm jungle]

the fuck lmao

[arctic talon]

I’m blind

Ignore me

[storm jungle]

💀

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

Killing you

[arctic talon]

Pls no

Yeah I don’t see how the Drukhari companion is gona work out lmao

Considering they’re almost all super xenophobic

[storm jungle]

A lot of the cast is but they can earn trust

[arctic talon]

Ah

[storm jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/863857535244173322/1144581377182941306/image.png?width=705&height=240

Like the Ranger is easy

the Drukhari tho i got no idea

its very much prob gonna be a Fallout 4 thing where any time you agree with him your companions will probably hate you lmao

since a lot of his decisions are evil-based because of course

[arctic talon]

Me when messed up society makes messed up people

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Seeing as this is an owlcat game

Companions that don't mesh with you will either leave

Or you will brutally murder them

[green loom]

I want spoilers(I won't play the game(well I might now that I get cash for art, but still))

[storm jungle]

Can confirm on this one

theres some hilarious contrasting dialogue options where you can just randomly kill your companions out of nowhere

[green loom]

Sounds like an Owlcat game aight

[storm jungle]

Yeah its hilarious

i had to do like a double-take

[green loom]

In Wrath you could straight up like

Miss 70% of the companions

And you can kill all of them

[storm jungle]

Yeah i dont see this much in other RPGs

like I was playing the Rogue Trader beta

and the options they give you are so funny, let me quote

[green loom]

meets companion
"AAA monster!"
Brutal murder

[green loom]

I feel like this is for Argenta specifically

[storm jungle]

I forgive you. But do not attempt such a thing again
Im gonna skin you fucking alive and parade your body around the bridge as a warning to others

EXCUSE ME WHAT

[green loom]

Hehehehe

In pathfinder it was like

okay sure
Ur dumb
I hate woman! <Kill her>

[storm jungle]

^

its literally exactly the same here

they offer you so many out of nowhere violent choices

[green loom]

Okay maybe it's worth a buy then

I just hope I can run it

[storm jungle]

it doesnt seem that graphically demanding

[green loom]

How much is it?

Like the cheapest package

Should be like 40 euro right?

[storm jungle]

No idea it doesnt even have a price tag atm

[green loom]

Yeah it does, on their website

Wait how were you playing the beta then

[storm jungle]

I just got a code from a friend and downloaded it

[green loom]

Oh they must've bought it then

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[green loom]

Since it's available on da site

And that's how you get codes

[storm jungle]

Looks like it

[green loom]

If you get the biggest package your name gets put in the credits

[storm jungle]

Im fine with mine being on Darktide's credits for now

[green loom]

Can you join a chaos cult

[storm jungle]

From what i can tell ye

chaos is a big part of the game

[green loom]

Ok time to become Slaanesh trader

[versed ledge]

not without mods

I don't wanna get skyrim serana again

[green loom]

A shame it won't follow the pathfinder trend of "you can fuck just about everyone"

But I guess it might have to do with GW?

[storm jungle]

Its possibly that plus probably just lack of effort.

I find it weird because a lot of the human crew members are at N/A.

you basically get 4 partners out of 10 crew members

[green loom]

And one of them is an eldar

Which for one
Based?
But also odd

I hope there's chaos chars you can recruit

How's the char creation @storm jungle

[storm jungle]

Uhh its kinda simplistic

but i dont remember much about it, its been forever since the beta and i skimmed through mine to get to the game lmao

[green loom]

Ah

[versed ledge]

thanks for the new game recommendation

[queen laurel]

I think the only reason for why you have very little romance options is because grimdark, i don't know how rare romance is in warhammer but i'm pretty sure it's the least of everyone's concerns

And the eldar is included on the romance options so

Get ready for a wave of energy so strong that it is enough to feed slaanesh

[storm jungle]

If romance was the last thing on everyones mind the Imperium would be depopulated in weeks.

Its very much just a lack of effort on the part of the writers.

[queen laurel]

fair, something like love is very hard to imagine if all you see is the population of a world getting absolutely destroyed by something the universe decided to throw at it

[storm jungle]

Well yeah but it still happens

[storm jungle]

Also not everything Eldar do romantically feeds Slaanesh

[near wasp]

Im sure the imperium has arranged relationships and stuff like that to "encourage" population increase

[queen laurel]

i'm not talking about the eldar dilara

you know damn well what i'm talking about

[crimson kayak]

Depends on the planet but yes, eugenics programs are common

[storm jungle]

Nah

people just bang regularly

even in the most disasterous situations people make kids

[crimson kayak]

I mean one doesn't exclude the other

[storm jungle]

even in IRL

you dont really need to force anything

people just fuck

[queen laurel]

cadia literally still do that in front of hell

[crimson kayak]

Mostly eugenics are used to get certain "standards" in the pop, not just getting some pop

[storm jungle]

yeah but its still not widespread

a lot of the imperium's population is naturally made through people just being couples

[queen laurel]

and with the amount of people the imperium has, they can replace any meat shield lost in the battlefield

[near wasp]

Hey man, you look at me and tell me that having a date under a portal to hell isnt romantic

[queen laurel]

i ain't judging, do what you want

[near wasp]

[wary elk]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[storm jungle]

I mean thats very much normal so yea lol

[wary elk]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[near wasp]

Same, i gotta either write my 40k ocs story or write lore for my dnd game im planning

Lowkey gonna make the warforged in my world similar to necrons and nobody can stop me

[wary elk]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[vale shuttle]

can confirm ||i've never spoken to a warhammer fan||

[storm jungle]

Speaking as Female™️ I can confirm.

[queen laurel]

As the opposite gender, I can say nothing and I will just put this image of a pygmy hippo baby here

It's relevant to 40K Lore trust me

[near wasp]

As a 40k fan, i thought women were a thing created by gw to sell more sister of battle and sisters of silence

[shadow plover]

you're right, see Dilara had to say they're a trademark of the female ip

[storm jungle]

☝️

[near wasp]

[rose thorn]

After become fem I can confirm warhammer fans have stopped talking to me

[vale shuttle]

good because Warhammer fans are the lowest form of intelligence

[queen laurel]

looks at twitter hammer

Yeah Dem' humies are a bit koko

[echo vault]

It's like world war z a gigantic wall to keep the weirdos out, don't say tourist too many times it'll rile them up they see red when you say that and go kill mode

Like eversor assassins, speaking of does that new assassin based on an old assassin model have lore

It's really cool

[green loom]

Some guy who got into warhammer 3 days ago will inevitably argue with you about lore and call you a tourist

[echo vault]

I'll just Photoshop myself into a darktide screenshot with the caption on vacation and it's at the eye tree

[queen laurel]

Twitter is a violent battleground and therefore it breeds the most battle hardened and aggressive "warhammer fans"

[echo vault]

Real life orks

[queen laurel]

that's an insult to orks

[echo vault]

If orks had computers would they be able to reach into a screen and pull out what's on the other side of the screen (weapons, person)

Of course if they believed they could

[queen laurel]

a bigmek could build an extremely faulty version off that tech

A type of computer that can hack into mainframes and can be used to teleport on available consoles

But of course the chances of you not coming out a malformed pile of sludge is very low

[echo vault]

Idk something is funny about an ork seeing like a screen advertising some new imperial weapon and they just stick their hand through like it's a display case and pull the gun out

Because y'know it has to be in there right

[queen laurel]

For that to happen you will need a lot of orks and krorks

The amount of psychic energy for them to actually need to bend reality is a lot

[echo vault]

Ok new hypothetical how many orks can we put in a room to generate the necessary psychic energy like a mob generator in Minecraft

[queen laurel]

hmm a single weird boy is sufficient, add a couple of nobs boys and maybe a warboss to enhance the output of the weird boy

But the chances of this generator exploding is higher than a cat that eats 500 pounds of cat nip

[echo vault]

Depends if they eat the 500 pounds of cat nip at once, hopefully we have a cat that is not that hungry

[crystal forum]

@coarse pumice since you like posting old art so much https://youtu.be/NCOSao1KEQo?si=hduIMGU8DNpWpuq8

[rose thorn]

I was worried about missing the new cities of sigmar box but people are calling it a flop so I know it will be available for wheni can afford it!!!

Because even in AOS the fandom is a hive mind

[storm jungle]

Flop? Didnt sell well?

[versed ledge]

hey guys, what if someone makes a romance anime set in the warhammer 40k universe,

[crimson kayak]

W... What you mean by that

[versed ledge]

just a random thought

if warhammer 40k logic applies IRL too, maybe this might happen with enough belief

[near wasp]

Somebody is gonna die horribly

Because thats just 40k

[versed ledge]

oh what can possibly go wrong in the imperium of man

[arctic talon]

💀

[crimson kayak]

15 hours to complete the romance with your squad member or he/she dies

[versed ledge]

at least the protag didn't die horribly there

[near wasp]

Protag dies martyring themselves in an act of vengance against the ones who killed the lover

[shadow plover]

Who's calling it a flop? Why? Just because it's not sold out in a day? An odd take if ever saw one

[rose thorn]

Some 40k YouTubers in my YouTube deed

Feed

Lmao

[shadow plover]

Been on the edge to ordering one but decided not to because I have way too much stuff to paint already

[rose thorn]

Aka the worse source of information

[shadow plover]

Eh yeah

COS seems like literally the ONLY cool normal human faction in all of Warhammer

Current and past

[crystal forum]

it's so interesting hearing john blanche be so passionate about his art. old school 40k art looked so mass produced and generic 90's

[crystal forum]

DUDE i keep hovering back to heathkyn kill team store page even though i always eventually convince myself that i already have the whole leviathan box to paint

[shadow plover]

Multiply that box by four and you have what I have unboxed models waiting to be painted

[crystal forum]

the struggle is real

[shadow plover]

That's probably not enough tbh

[storm jungle]

Yeah but it was the opposite of that

if Blanche didnt do any of his 40k/fantasy artwork warhamer wouldnt have the identity it does now ironically.

Hes basically the godfather of the setting stylistically

[crystal forum]

his art kinda looks like that one artist who drew really brutal imagery

i dont remember his name

[storm jungle]

Either way his Blanchitsu style is very unique and very much his own thing.

[green loom]

It def made me appreciate some things more

Like the old Templar artwork

The more impressive thingi s that all of those were traditional artworks

[storm jungle]

Yep literally every detail and stroke is made by hand

And he still does it today after like 3 decades

[shadow plover]

he's stellar at his work and deserves all the praise he's gotten

fucking stellar

[green loom]

One of the codex things he did for marines

Took him 3 months

[storm jungle]

Yep, thats art for you

So calling it "mass produced" or "generic 90's" is just oof

[green loom]

One day I'll be able to make official stuff....

[rose thorn]

Thanks to necromunda I now know that leprosy still exists in the year 40k

And also the money laundry scheme of life long renting exists too

Even in the year of 40000 tax evasion and lack of health care exists

[storm jungle]

Pretty much any sort of thing we have in modern times exists in 40k yeah

just more grimdank

[rose thorn]

Grim dark DMV

[crystal forum]

none of us non americans understand what that means

[nocturne crest]

Has there ever been lore that involved a space marine dancing?

[storm jungle]

^

[nocturne crest]

https://tenor.com/view/fantastic-sam-tyler-gif-20205442

[crisp heath]

The Recreators brave Genestealer strongholds to slaughter and amuse, wreak havoc and provoke a sigh. In short, the Recreators enter Genestealer Space Hulks and dance, just to prove they can.

Absolute sigma shit

[storm jungle]

Funk so thick, not even Horus can penetrate it.

https://tenor.com/view/dance-soul-train-dance-moves-gif-15640611

[versed ledge]

Y'all think there's an equivalent of the ASVAB for the Astra Militarum?

I mean the average imperial citizen can barely spell Militarum

[green loom]

What's that

[crystal forum]

if this is related to education then it depends on the planet

[winter vessel]

The Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery Test. Long story short, it’s meant to measure the applicant’s Educational understanding. Verbal, Math, Science, Technical, and Spatial. The higher your score is, the more you qualify for specific occupations in the branch of the military in real life

[crystal forum]

militarum don't recruit ogryns for their knowledge

[winter vessel]

And Cadians are trained from practically birth.

[crystal forum]

also how is any of us non americans supposed to understand that term 🙄

this is why i exclusively use metric system. fighting fire with fire

[versed ledge]

Too bad I prefer the metric system

[winter vessel]

So yeah, I doubt the Imperium has the time, nor care, for a piece of paper that determines how well you qualify for a role in the Militarum. You a Human? Good. You a Citizen? Great! You love the God Emperor? Even Better! Congrats you made it into the Guard. Here’s a lasgun and a copy of the Infantryman’s Uplifting Primer to use as asswipe while in the field.

[green loom]

This is gibberish

[winter vessel]

That’s the American Military for ya. We’re not as badass as we used to be.

[vast heart]

Implying the American military was at any point in history badass lmao

Poor sods you fall for your own military propaganda so hard

[winter vessel]

I grew up on the principle of the “Greatest Generation”. Who gave up their future to fight a tyranny in the 40s that would’ve altered the foundation of human rights. Not just Americans, but every man and woman who were fighting against evil itself even if they didn’t know it at the time. That’s the American Military I “looked up to”, not suckling the teat and falling hard on propaganda.

[vast heart]

Sorry to break it to you bud but that narrative is straight up propaganda

[green loom]

WW2 militaries sure had some nice looking uniforms

[winter vessel]

Looks like I found the cynical one in this server.

[languid salmon]

Or a troll either way you should ignore them

[vast heart]

Not really looking to argue tbh man, just felt like I should share the fact that your perspective doesn't exist outside of the US

[winter vessel]

Agreed

[languid salmon]

So warhammer… what do you think we will see at nova on Wednesday?

[winter vessel]

Not entirely sure to be frank. Maybe and hopefully I can view what the other Space Marine Minis would be if the Astartes won the Battle of Oghram

[languid salmon]

Yeah that seems likely especially since there codex’s should be the first one release in the coming months

[winter vessel]

If the Primaris vanguard gets their spotlight as well that’d be neat.

[green loom]

For AoS

New ironjawz

Flesh eater courts

For 30k, new MK3 kit

For 40k, the marine side of Oghram

Oh and some Bretonnians for old world

[languid salmon]

I’m thinking we might see new jump pack marines to tie in the the space marine 2 game and because space marines seem to be primarisifying the older model range like for terminators and stern guard veterans

[winter vessel]

Right right, that does some plausible in preparation for SP II’s release. Which is probably going to be the only game I’m getting this year. That gameplay two days ago? Mhmm chef’s kiss

[languid salmon]

Hope there’s more tyranid types than what they showed. A lictors would be cool

[green loom]

There are lictors

[green loom]

I'm thinking of buying either rogue trader or baldurs gate

[winter vessel]

Imagine if we could see a Tervigon? Those things look gnarly, even their minis.

[languid salmon]

that would be a pain to kill

[languid salmon]

where there? I didn't see any in the gameplay footage

[winter vessel]

I gotta give props to Saber Interactive when it came to the background environment. It captures the massive scale of warfare. It doesn’t feel static.

I only hope they maintain it once full game releases

[crystal forum]

the american military was badass when it had to replace all the old useless officer corp with a younger generation to adapt with the times. Old farts lead to toxic stagnant leadership that makes you work your job outside pay hours without giving overtime because that's how it was in their time

[arctic talon]

No

They want them stupid

but not that stupid

[crystal forum]

it's borderline inhuman how grunts are treated. you'd think it was 40k with how abused they are

[winter vessel]

It’s why I love the Guard. Outside of battle strategies based on 2nd world war and 1st world war scenarios, they are just average men who stem the tide against Chaos and Xenos threats.

[crystal forum]

same

i like that their equipment is shit too

but they make do with what they have

[winter vessel]

You ever listened to “Pity the Guardsman” from Vox in the Void? Downright drew me to tears hearing it.

[crystal forum]

ye

[versed ledge]

Just like the guard in the imperium

[queen laurel]

This is also the same military willing to waste resources to make a walking church to send the prayers directly to you same day shipping

[crystal forum]

nah that's a division of the mechanicus

[versed ledge]

I just realized Slaanesh would make for a great horde shooter opponent, though it might make a warhammer game to an AO rating, but 40k kind of is already

think about, cultist and daemons of slaanesh only care about pleasure, and pleasure of any form including pain. So a couple bolts from a lasgun is going to tickle them before they get to meet their prince

as for Tzeentch, since his theme is change - it'll be mostly fighting against a disenfranchised populace mixed with turncoat regular forces, just with fewer mutations spotted. however at that point it's not a horde shooter, but more tactical shooter

[near wasp]

Khorne would be fun to fight in a horde shooter

[echo vault]

Fighting hordes of whoever this guy is from the world eater codex

[crystal forum]

it would just be doom

[celest dome]

All the Chaos Gods followers would make great bases for tide/hordes

[versed ledge]

Yeah he would

But would khorne be in a urban environment like a hive?

[celest dome]

Yeah ?

Like cults pop up where the people live

[versed ledge]

Fair

Gameplay wise there's no argument there, I mean when it comes to chaos, the guard and friends are basically living Darktide

I wonder what would the story be for Khorne though? Why would the average schmuck join him

[celest dome]

No argument for or against?

[versed ledge]

No argument against

Story wise though, I can imagine an average soldier or irregular combatant suffering from a strange bout of combat fatigue joining khorne. But for the average person

Tzeentch, Nurgle, even Slaanesh, seems like better candidates in influencing an imperial planet

[celest dome]

Well 2 of the most famous "Khornate" cults that we've seen are the Blood pact and the Corpse Grinder Gang (Necromunda, they Khornate but at the same time they aren't

[celest dome]

In Darktide/Atoma's case I think the best way to do each cult is to do it as follow:
Khorne: Enforcer Cult Enforcer are some of the most brutal workers of the Hives, they deal with droves of convicts and deal with it with liberal application of their matraques
Global: Less accented on ranged attacks but better melee fighters
Horde: Press ganged convicts/prisonners (Hey, maybe you'll see your old cell mates)
Normal/Elites: Flak and Carapace armoured pieces of armour; also access to Riot shields (Look wise basically Enforcers and some Corpse Grinder Gangs)
Ogryn/Heavy Elites: Armoured close range fighters (Eg: Ogryn with a Shotgun and armour) and Lesser Daemon
Monster: Hound of Khorne (Oversized, but smallest Monster); Sanctioner Servo-Automatas/Servitor
Lord: Traitor Arbites (Power Maul and Shield or Power Ram; Grenade Launcher or Bolter)

[versed ledge]

I thought the corpse grinder gang aren't a khornatte cult since they worship a different entity entirely - unless it's just a manifestation of khorne

[versed ledge]

Oh that would be cool

[celest dome]

Yeah, they're Khornate but they aren't

[storm jungle]

They are entirely Khorne

they just refer to him by another name

[queen laurel]

Yeah, even in warhammer fantasy it's common for sentient beings to refer to chaos god's on their own distinct custom name made for them

[celest dome]

Same thing with most Warcry warband in AoS

[versed ledge]

Huh never knew...so does the same work principle for the emperor?

[celest dome]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Yeah, its always been a thing

theres no way everyone in the galaxy can know the proper titles for every deity.

[queen laurel]

Yes, the space sharks call the emperor Rangu, the void father

[green loom]

Oh shit you did set it as your new pfp lmao

My influence spreads

[queen laurel]

Bro why did you think i sent that Thanos gif and say new pfp

[versed ledge]

So somewhere out there the emperor is just called God, and the four chaos Gods are called the devil

[celest dome]

Probably

[green loom]

Oh hey the Sienna VA does the Githyanki queen in BG3, cool

[crystal forum]

traitor arbites? no way in hell

also arbites don't work with enforcers to begin with

this is specifically the reason why: so they don't start doing evil stuff together

[normal light]

Well there are Traitor Enforcers , but they act more like Commissars for Traitor Guard (WH40K TTS Reference)

You could say that those guys were convicts who some how got their hands on Enforcer equipment

Most likely from KIA Enforcers themselves

[celest dome]

Traitor Enforcer in the TT are Commissar. Not Enforcer turned traitor

[crimson kayak]

I always find it funny how that head axe is the least useful thing you could do

[normal light]

Yes

[celest dome]

Easier to say than finding back what the leaders of Enforcers are called

[celest dome]

So they would be Scab. Not part of that Khornate faction

[crystal forum]

i think it depends on the world. even arbites themselves have a super flexible command chain that seems to invent titles all the time

[celest dome]

Yeah. I think a lord that look like an Arbites would work quite well

[normal light]

Maybe but I don’t see there role in Scab Faction

Also Khornates could have cultists Armed with Autopistols and Melee weapons at the same time

[normal light]

Dual wielding I mean

[celest dome]

Second Scab Lord type ? Maybe Scab Commissar and Ogryn Bodyguard

[normal light]

Could be good

[crystal forum]

it would if the equipment was stolen. realistically it would take a ton of special circumstance for an arbites to turn traitor and you better believe the moment this happens his former teamates would do everything they can to punish them

it's like a sister of battle turning traitor. their biggest enemy becomes other sisters of battle

[normal light]

Tzeentch faction?

[crystal forum]

idk how psyker enemies would work

maybe they'd counter the playable psyker's powers

[normal light]

Well most of them will use warp fire

Or smite

[normal light]

Maybe they will be able to do a Head Pop 💀

[crystal forum]

like an even more dangerous sniper

[normal light]

And I think they will use a wide variety of mutated cultists and lesser chaos spawns

Like hordes of Mutoid Vermin from TTS

[crystal forum]

why use tzeentch to begin with then if you wont use the magic stuff

kinda defeats the purpose

[normal light]

Meaning?

Oh

Understood

[normal light]

I suggest meat shields for sorcerers

And other funny guys

Like for lord you could have some Cultists Sorcerer on disc of Tzeentch

[celest dome]

Psyker should only be the ranged elites. Specials and Lords

The rest being puppeted civies (Thralls) Mutant rabble and similar

[normal light]

Well for casual units (not low tier trash you could have) Tzaangors

Or some kind of Elite

[celest dome]

Flamer of Tzeentch is an obvious monster pick. And since TWW imply that the Muthalid Vortex beast us Tzeentchian maybe that as second monster

[normal light]

True

[crystal forum]

we dont really fight many proper demons

[normal light]

Also Changeling would be cool

[celest dome]

Only monsters

But no named characters

[celest dome]

Yet. But Plaguebearers as tanky elites would be good

[normal light]

Or maybe you could just fill up ranks with Blue and Pink Horros

[celest dome]

Should be ogryn level elites at minimum

Not rank and file

[normal light]

I think we need Lord on Palanquin of Nurgle

Also maybe some missions about destroying Miasmic Magnifiers

[crystal forum]

i dont get what melta guns are supposed to be from an in-universe perspective

[normal light]

Mean their technology or what?

Or purpose?

[crystal forum]

like their basic function

they seem to do the exact same thing as plasma guns

[celest dome]

Heat guns

It's proto plasma

[normal light]

Cheap Close Range AT Guns for Infantry

[celest dome]

Not even that close range

[crystal forum]

does plasma go boom while melta go melt

[celest dome]

Possibly

[crystal forum]

it's a confusing gun

[normal light]

Well , in real world 100 meters is pretty close range for engaging Enemy Armor

[crystal forum]

how it works is a mystery too. apparently it can be both a chemical reaction AND a beam of energy

[green loom]

Schrodinger's Melta

[normal light]

Yes

[crystal forum]

like why can it be both? that just makes me ask more questions

[normal light]

Melta is cool in lore but in TTS it became crap like Plasma and Missile Launchers

😔

[crystal forum]

i like to imagine if it's a beam weapon then it literally sends a beam of microwave energy

[celest dome]

Over energised matter to the point it become pure energy

[celest dome]

Those also exist

[crystal forum]

IRL you use those against protesters if you lack a moral compass

probably wont work on a tank

i like the idea that melta guns were once for mining

we don't see enough of archeotech being used for a completely different purpose than intended

[celest dome]

Most GSC weapon

[normal light]

Meh , don`t have very big disspersion

[crystal forum]

that's different

it's too direct with GSC. using a wrench as a melee weapon isn't the same as finding a schematic for a farm tractor and then using it as a tank

[normal light]

Like yeah you could penetreate in lines but i think disspersion would do better

[crystal forum]

what do you mean

[celest dome]

What about using a Seismic Cannon as a weapon ?

[normal light]

I melta was meant as a crowd control weapon it would had less penetration capabilities but more dispersed firing arc

Meaning that from 1 shot you would likely kill 3-4 targets in front of you and not 3-4 in line behind one target

[crystal forum]

ok that's pretty funny yeah

[echo vault]

No it's amazing I swear

I mean it's tough because it's not the impact piece on the front

But someone else could use them as a weapon

[normal light]

Melta looks more like Heat AT weapon like current day AT Launchers

[echo vault]

They just need to have a strong neck

[crystal forum]

i was talking about real life microwave weapons. they're used to hurt protesters because it cooks your skin a bit and hurts a ton

[normal light]

Oh

About that

Yes

[crimson kayak]

Looks at the neck cage right under the head

[normal light]

Trust me I am a normal person , totally not a Chaos Follower

[normal light]

And they Field same role in Warhammer

Like compact close range AT

So Infantry could use it easier than bulky Missile Launchers

[crystal forum]

whenever i think of that i immediately think of a game where you have to build yourself a suit of reflective material (literally the inside chip bags) to get into a base protected by anti protester microwave stuff

[green loom]

What game is that lmao

[echo vault]

Well also have a stab proof head

[normal light]

And melta has a plus which plasma also has , you could fire it from prone position

[echo vault]

And it doesn't explode when it's not properly used

[normal light]

Melta yes

Like cheap , reliable

[green loom]

I don't think it's cheap

[crystal forum]

neo scavenger. i recommend it

[normal light]

And most of faction just dump their tanks in armoured spearheads

[green loom]

Is there a Sseth review on that?

[normal light]

Cheaper than archiotec plasma from M.35

[echo vault]

Yes

[green loom]

If yes then I know it

[echo vault]

I was gonna link it

[crystal forum]

yes

[echo vault]

It's the one where you beat someone to death with a squirrel for their shoes

[crystal forum]

i mean that's what seth did

[echo vault]

You can

[crystal forum]

it's not something you'd normally do

[echo vault]

It's effective

[green loom]

Afaik they're about the same logistically

[normal light]

But it’s actually sad that in 10th edition plasma , melta and missile lost their AT capabilities 😔

[green loom]

Also Guard still use krak missiles afaik

[normal light]

Yes but as I said

[normal light]

☝️

[normal light]

And ☝️

[crystal forum]

one last thing about neo scavenger, it runs on flash so pressing escape minimizes window and you will do it SO often by accident

[normal light]

Pretty miserable that IG don’t field any infantry ATGM’s (like hunter killer missiles but not on vehicles)

[crystal forum]

they got both the heavy weapons team and the field ordinance thing

[normal light]

HWT’s use Lascannon’s , Mortars , Heavy Bolters and Multi-lasers

[crystal forum]

you can also build a missile launcher

[green loom]

Ye

[normal light]

Field Ordinance Batteries use howitzers and Grad like artillery

[crystal forum]

it's a field cannon, a bigger laser cannon or a hydra-like missile launcher

sadly it's considered arty in 10th though which fucking sucks

[normal light]

Meh just Missile Launcher on bipod

[crystal forum]

is that not literally what a TOW launcher is

[normal light]

Well Rapier Carrier is also considered and arty in 10th

[normal light]

Yes , but TOW is guided

[normal light]

This is not ☝️

At least I think so

[crystal forum]

how do you know

[green loom]

I don't think the guard could afford mass guided missiles

[normal light]

Because it looks Like Panzershreck on bipod

[green loom]

Not enough space for a human skull on the rocket

[normal light]

Ah yes

[normal light]

Make them small

Small skulls

💀

That’s the solution

[green loom]

I don't think using children is the play chief

[crystal forum]

it's a pretty simple mechanism actually. guided missiles don't require computers or anything, they just need to follow the laser pointer

[normal light]

Who cares ?

[normal light]

Phahaha

Laser guided ATGM’s

True Chad’s use Wire Guidance

Like most 80-90’s ATGMs

[crystal forum]

it boggles my mind that air tracking technology could kill a jet going 2000km/h at super high altitude but we still used mechanical controls for missiles

[green loom]

After I'm done with da comm im gonna draw a bunch of guard Regiments, which ones should I do?

[crystal forum]

valhallans

[normal light]

Some custom Feudal Regiment

[crystal forum]

i recently learned about them and i think they're my new favorite regiment

[green loom]

I'll give them ahistorical larp brigantines

[normal light]

🫡

[green loom]

Similar with Firstborn for me

[crystal forum]

like krieg but soviet and actually willing to die to their own artillery

[green loom]

Like krieg but marginally better fanbase

And much more stylish

[normal light]

I don’t like Krieg at all

[green loom]

Also KV2s

[normal light]

It’s all because of dumd sapper shovel memes

[crystal forum]

apparently valhallans once out-attritioned a nid invasion

somehow

[green loom]

Those get old but I'm very tired of the fanbase not knowing what they're talking about and being either deluded, Nazis, or both

[crystal forum]

gives me an excuse to print the many soviet inspired leman russ proxies

german proxies are CRINGE

[normal light]

Well that’s why in 9th edition they had a Stratagem called “Send Another Wave In” which gave you an Infantry squad resurrection

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/j19BRQT58pA?si=llzSbGpQyFXaIWpW

[crystal forum]

i'll make their uniforms red like mounties and i'll have my canadian larping

[green loom]

Have you ever told a Krieg fan what 2 of their regiments did on Vraks

[normal light]

If you need some information about Red Army , for inspiration mostly I can know something

[green loom]

(they ran the hell away and fragged commissars who tried to stop them)

[crystal forum]

i already know way too much about the red army don't worry

[normal light]

How could this happened? Krieg never retreats - Casual Krieg fan

[green loom]

Yeah they miss the part of krieg where they're obsessed with "worthy deaths"

[normal light]

Okay , so now you could be enlisted comrade 🫵

[crystal forum]

seriously why do memes make kriegers out to be so powerful

[green loom]

Stupidity

[crimson kayak]

Because all they see is emotionless killing machine

[green loom]

Me like so must be perfect and great and badass and great

[crystal forum]

you know the fucked up part in all this is that a lot of these people probably think kriegers are inspirational

[normal light]

Grab your Century Old Lasgan , Flak Helmet and Entrenchment Tool

[green loom]

They also have a very healthy, totally sane Nazi population because of course they do

[crystal forum]

the masculine urge to die in battle for no good reason

[green loom]

Tbf the Krieger urge would be to die for a good reason

[crystal forum]

im actually surprised to learn that krieg isn't even known for its trench warfare

[normal light]

In vision of most Krieg fans they seem as mindless husks whom face are covers behind mask so you don’t see a human face and reaction to different situation

[crystal forum]

memes ruined my image of them

[green loom]

That's how Dead Man Walking portrays them iirc

But afaik recent stories give them more emotion

And in Cain books they're pretty normal until they get to combat

They're more human than cadians lmao

[normal light]

And like I 100% some Krieg lasman would had a shitted face when he saw his comrades slain but 2 feet tall Khorne Berzerk

[crystal forum]

i legit thought they didn't even talk

[normal light]

?

How 🤨

[green loom]

Krieg is a depleted husk of a planet
Cadia is a fortress with a population

Everyone's a soldier, their entire lives are drills

"no nonsense" is putting it mildly

[normal light]

Well I would say know that Cadians are more humane

Because most of them aren’t Cadians

[green loom]

True!

But yeah cadia was bleak af

You know how the Sentinels at the tomb of the unknown soldier look all robotic sometimes?

[normal light]

Also I don’t understand

[green loom]

Imagine that but an entire planet

[normal light]

If Cadia was a Fortress World mostly dedicated to defending it self

Why would you have Cadian Shocktrooper Regiments?

[green loom]

The tithe still has to be paid

[crystal forum]

this guy made a mosin lasgun and a fedorov lasgun

[normal light]

And not Siege Infantry Regiments

[green loom]

Using Darktide as an example, Atoma is going through a huge war, and they're still expected to pay the tithe

[green loom]

Same deal

Tbh

Fists like shock infantry

But their schtick is defense

[crimson kayak]

Me when I just learned that the tomb of the unknown soldier is not a thing that's only in my country

[green loom]

Oh yeah they're in lots of places

I'm referring specifically to the US one

[normal light]

There are also Forever Fire’s in some post-comie block countries

[crimson kayak]

Anyhow yeah, Vostroya for the win

[green loom]

Afaik people usually refer to the American one when using the name so I didn't bother clarifying

[normal light]

Like in mine (🇺🇦)

[crystal forum]

IL-2 in 40k

[normal light]

Crap IL-2

[green loom]

Recently learned of "Firstborn Daughter"

[crystal forum]

jet powered IL-2

[green loom]

Apparently the Firstborn were very averse to letting women into the guard

[normal light]

Where is my T-26s based on Cyclop chassis ?

[crimson kayak]

Ah yes... Wich of the Five they got

[crystal forum]

T-26 is possibly one of my favorite tanks

it's so fucking cool

[normal light]

Then Wickers 5 tons is also your favourite

[green loom]

Apparently my taste in tanks is supremely cursed

[normal light]

?

[green loom]

I like British tanks

[normal light]

Well , it’s not that bad

[green loom]

Cromwell's specifically

[crystal forum]

i rarely see the "original" tanks that the soviet union copied mentioned

[normal light]

At least it’s not Italian Tanks (from WW2)

[near wasp]

At least they arnt french tanks

[green loom]

I also like the handful of Hungarian ones that existed

[crystal forum]

tank development between WW1 and WW2 was crazy

bad ideas getting copied all the time

[normal light]

Also BT-5 is copied from some American tank but I don’t remember from what

[crystal forum]

the british independent being copied by like 4 countries and all of them being ass

so funny

[green loom]

It isn't copied I think, they took the suspension from some american guy

Who sold it to them

[normal light]

Romanian tank destroyers on T-26s chassis

[crystal forum]

i thought the christie suspension was sold to the soviets

[green loom]

It was iirc

[normal light]

I may be incorrect

Because it’s usual for commies to copy stuff

[crystal forum]

there's a blurring of the lines often though. soviets would purchase AND copy stuff

look at ford trucks being copied

[near wasp]

T14 using the samee engine as a tiger 2 from ww2

[green loom]

Should I play Stronghold or Bannerlord

[crimson kayak]

I mean they were made by Fiat, not much to expect there

[normal light]

Well not the same , but a modernised version

[crystal forum]

military R&D is mostly just copying others. always been that way

[green loom]

I like the new Rogal tank

[near wasp]

Its still obsolete by 60 years

[crimson kayak]

Admire our baby tank!

[green loom]

Is it stupid? probably
But I love the idea of massive moving bunkers that push up and just lock an area down

[normal light]

Well soviets made pretty good tank designs like T-54 , T-55 , T-62 , T-64 , T-72

[normal light]

He’s so cute

[normal light]

True

[green loom]

Wait a minute

[crystal forum]

and a lot of that stuff is copied from other countries. then those other countries copy the soviets. it's how military development works

[green loom]

There's no art of this thing

Welp

Time to remedy

[crystal forum]

everybody's constantly copying whatever works

[normal light]

True , for example Soviets made their AGS-17 “Fire” after inspecting trophy American Automatic Grenade Launcher from Vietnam

[crystal forum]

what i like is when bad stuff gets copied

[normal light]

Like some American AT mines that were meant to be deployed from air

[crystal forum]

soviets copied the british independent to make the T-35. i think germans copied them and made their own heavy tank too. the issue is that they were all much too big for their engines and were never used in combat

[normal light]

Soviets copied initial designs with it flaws and called it PTM-3

[crystal forum]

lol

[normal light]

T-35 seen combat during 1941

[crystal forum]

didn't it immediately break down

[normal light]

For surprise no

They were used in pairs with support of T-26s

[green loom]

Early soviet doctrine sounds hilarious

[normal light]

There some accounts that their amour even took a few hits

[crystal forum]

early tank doctrine in general was funny

[normal light]

Late soviet doctrine sounds like Atomic Destruction of humanity

[crystal forum]

all the old generals didn't know how to use them so they'd just do whatever

[normal light]

Like how Mechanised divisions should go through area that was just struck by tactical nuke

[crystal forum]

imagine installing a portable nuclear bomb launcher on the back of a jeep

oh wait

that happened

[normal light]

Davy Crockett Moment

[crystal forum]

letting an army sergeant decide if one day he wants to end the world or not

nothing will go wrong

[normal light]

I think IG vehicles need more firing deck

[near wasp]

Macarthur moment

[normal light]

Because all they have is some crappie lasgun arrays on chimera

[normal light]

Well he proposed nuclear strike on USSR (or China) during Korean War

[near wasp]

It was china

[crystal forum]

you know it's more fucked up when you take into account the fact that MAD wasn't much of a thing yet so he probably thought that no big repercussions would come out of nuking most of north korea

early cold war was something else. nukes were a viable option for warfare

[near wasp]

Yeah it was wild

[crystal forum]

part of me really wants to know what an early cold war battle with small nukes would be like though

like a fucking jeep could carry around a payload strong enough to kill a tank battalion in a single shot

[crimson kayak]

rocks fall, everyone dies

[normal light]

Funny fact if there were no nuclear disarmament in 90’s my country would be in first 10 countries with most nukes

[normal light]

Casual

[crimson kayak]

Skill issue from the tank side

[normal light]

Yeah , you shouldn’t concentrate yourself

[crystal forum]

not even. there weren't enough high yield nukes for that and because it was mostly delivered by planes then you could still intercept them

[storm jungle]

Cold War warfare just wouldnt work, a lot of people have covered this

the mass use of nukes would just kill everyone

[crystal forum]

a small scale nuclear war could have happened and it's crazy to think about

[storm jungle]

because atomic war is fucking braindead

[normal light]

True

[storm jungle]

people back then just didnt realise this

[crystal forum]

im speaking about 1945-1955 ish

very early

[storm jungle]

no difference

same thing

[crystal forum]

yes difference

[storm jungle]

People have no idea how powerful nukes were back then

[normal light]

Like in current world you don’t need to have a nuke to destroy a country or stop it from attacking you

[crystal forum]

you had to deploy them by plane though. they could be intercepted

[storm jungle]

Doesnt change anything

[crystal forum]

also not everybody could refine the uranium to do it

[storm jungle]

Nukes will be nukes

[crystal forum]

there werent thousands of nukes like today

[storm jungle]

they would eventually, like how it happened afterwards

all it takes is a few document and scientists leaks and boom

lol

[crystal forum]

that's why im talking about early cold war

[near wasp]

1949 all over again

[crystal forum]

and no it's not just boom you suddenly built an entire nuclear industry

knowing how to do it is one thing

[storm jungle]

It doesnt matter much once you get nukes tbh

[crimson kayak]

Problem is not the start of such a war but the development

[storm jungle]

a lot of european nations would have nukes if it wasnt a taboo thing

[normal light]

You need to maintain them

[storm jungle]

Yeah I'm aware

[normal light]

[crimson kayak]

Not if you throw them after producing them

[near wasp]

Your country had nukes in it at one point

[normal light]

Well then yes

[crystal forum]

you need a lot more than just 5 or so nukes to win a war. just imagine trying to send a plane to moscow or new york, you'd need like 30 just to cover the bombers that get shot down

[storm jungle]

Yeah we had a base for the U.S during the missile crisis

[storm jungle]

Its all dependant because nuclear war is a mess

its why its such a broad subject

[crimson kayak]

I mean I live in Italy so any situation that's not mutually assured destruction means we somehow are on the winning side at the end

[normal light]

At one point my country had a lot of soviet nukes , but they were to pricy to keep 😔

[crystal forum]

it really really wasn't at first. it was very similar to conventional warfare

[storm jungle]

Yeet

[crystal forum]

ICBM's werent even an idea yet

[storm jungle]

Are you Ukranian

[near wasp]

Nukes are extremely expensive to maintain

[normal light]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Lmao

wasnt ukraine asked to remove their nukes

which is such a bright idea right