40k-lore-chat

[spare osprey]

They do it alot tbf

[storm jungle]

It was a reference to the lost roman legions. They just included it because it was fun like Silence and Wolf said, it is never gonna be expanded upon.

[nocturne crest]

Wasn't there something about having your own OC primarch in the early days of 40k?

[spare osprey]

Rangdan xenocides, age of technology, war in heaven

[storm jungle]

Nah

the "create your primarch legion" thing is a fan rumor

one of the OG 40k creators confirmed it in an interview

it was just a roman legion reference, nothing more

[spare osprey]

And one that’s made some WILD homebrews

[arctic talon]

Some good some uh

not

[spare osprey]

Saw a 2nd primarch a while ago, dude and his legion had kids with ogryns

[crystal forum]

even modern day GW?

[arctic talon]

Prolly

[crystal forum]

you know DAMN well they could pull out a lost primarch any day now

[arctic talon]

GW doesn’t encourage homebrew super heavily for marines in Horus heresy

Ironicially

[storm jungle]

Probably

[scenic bolt]

theyd only pull one out if they think it'd sell well as a kit

[storm jungle]

GW would sooner reveal who the Nids or where they came from than the lost primarchs.

[spare osprey]

Not really, that’s the one thing that’s been confirmed, them and their legion were just up and wiped out

[scenic bolt]

which considering the popularity of HH, they're more likely to ressurect all the OG primarchs

including horus

[storm jungle]

^

[spare osprey]

Closest thing you can get to another primarch is prob the angel

[storm jungle]

we are gonna see a lot of primarchs return

its the MCU-ification of 40k

[arctic talon]

Anyways bring MKVII to a Horus heresy locals

It’ll be funny I swear

[storm jungle]

no

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

get the fuck outta here with your 30k shit

[arctic talon]

I don’t even like 30k that much

[spare osprey]

Who is technically the “first”

[arctic talon]

I don’t like primarchs either

[scenic bolt]

the HH was better when it was a 4 sentence blurb change my mind

[crystal forum]

can't wait for all the primarchs to make funny one liners every 2 minutes

[storm jungle]

Im gonna create a channel labelled Istvann III, then invite you guys do it for a chat session.

Totally not to virus- I mean ban-bomb anyone

[spare osprey]

Love 30k. Best version of the DA

[storm jungle]

[spare osprey]

Best characters too

[arctic talon]

Real shame I don’t give a fuck about 30k that much

Fun rules though for anyone who isn’t called space marines

[spare osprey]

Holguin, farith, astelan, nemiel, Corswain, aloceri

Griffayn

All pretty chill dudes

Lotta cool vehicles in 30k

[arctic talon]

The more racist an imperial guard commander is the taller they get

I have proof

[spare osprey]

Do tell

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270113965193822208/1141088675762012230/image.png

The power of xenophobia allows him to be taller then a space marine

[scenic bolt]

damn that really is a marinelet

[arctic talon]

My source is my head

[storm jungle]

they are siblings

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/195404877688602624/1141068851136712746/HHL_DupainAA_teaser-web.png

See they more xenophobic a guard commander the taller they are

it totally isn’t because taller minis look better

[coarse pumice]

The best looking 30k stuff is the stuff that’s a remake of old 40K models

[arctic talon]

Real

[nocturne crest]

What about covering the war of the false primarch?

[crystal forum]

it's literally all just space marine tanks

i think one of the biggest mistakes GW ever did was give space marines tanks

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/sarcastic-kirk-gif-20910726

[crystal forum]

funny how space marines used to have too many tanks in 30k and the guard didn't have enough

[spare osprey]

jesus you're right, i never even thought how the conflict between space marines has so many space marines vehicles

https://tenor.com/view/thats-crazy-conceited-yo-mtv-raps-s1e8-thats-insane-gif-25976305

[storm jungle]

yeah but space marines are bad

so Jay is semi-right

They should try uhhh

blowing up

[arctic talon]

Roll 1 on plasma

Now

[spare osprey]

if you ask this guy nicely he might

https://tenor.com/view/magic-gif-26166638

but i mean it's not like just space marines had cool vehicles

big fan of the Malcador Infernus myself

[green loom]

You know what I hate?

[spare osprey]

scots?

https://tenor.com/view/groundskeeper-willie-simpsons-scotland-scots-gif-14601840

[green loom]

I was going to say meme chat but close enough

[crystal forum]

i just wasted too much time reading lore about the lost legions

my conclusion: who cares

[crystal forum]

"excuse me inquisitor, i must go scream in my pillow for an hour"

[green loom]

"You know how warp daemons come in all different sorts of... themes? Based on different ideas humans reckon are bad? Like disease, or enjoying yourself, or change?" - Makari the Gretchin

[coarse pumice]

space marines using tanks predates primarchs

albeit, they were all imperial tanks and shared with all of the branches

[crystal forum]

im not talking about the rhino and land raider

those aren't tanks

[coarse pumice]

land raider looks like the original tank

[crystal forum]

it's a troop transport first and foremost

those make sense for the astartes

[crystal forum]

what im talking about are the horus heresy tanks like the fellblade and all the land raider variants

vehicles primarily made for fighting instead of carrying troops

[rose thorn]

Necromunda is living rent free in my head

Despite owning zero models

[storm jungle]

Necromunda is best setting

[arctic talon]

Wrong especially when blackstone fortress exists

I’m still sad they ended it

[storm jungle]

Blackstone fortress was one of the best, but since its not active anymore it can't compete.

[storm jungle]

The ending of Janus Draik's story is pretty sad too tbh

the books give a good perspective to the actual game lol

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Also the ending of the acension expansion is uh concerning in a way

[storm jungle]

Yeah the Fortress heading for the Sol System

too bad we are never gonna hear from it again lmao

[green loom]

Who knows, maybe it shows up in Sanctum or something

To blow up that big nid thing

I know it won't happen

But it's fun to imagine

[arctic talon]

Also the fact that one of the explorers has been rendered literally immortal

And cannot die by any means on the fortress that we know of

with the same applying to a chaos lord

[storm jungle]

Yeah it was a really interesting part of the book

especially Janus' girlfriend getting absorbed by the Fortress and becoming Diet Dr Manhattan.

Dont blame the guy accepting the same fate tho, got nothing to lose at that point

[arctic talon]

Draik canonically can’t be the person who’s immortal right

Just based on what happens in the book

[storm jungle]

You mean like previously in the book or at the finale?

because he very much more or less accepts becoming a part of the Fortress

tho like

its INCREDIBLY trippy because we almost know nothing about the fortress itself

A lot of things go entirely unexplained

[arctic talon]

Finale

True

It’s meant to be ambiguous but I’m trying to cross off who it couldn’t be

As a baseline

[storm jungle]

Yeah but i got no idea because we got no evidence to go off of lmao

Its been awhile tho, i definitely need to re-read the book

the ending was a massive bummer so i kinda forgot a lot of about the trilogy aside from the first 2 books being medicore

[arctic talon]

I mean it literally can't be the Eldar or the Ratlings technically

or Daedolus

Eldar isn't a part of the group after that one time, Ratlings are 2 people and Daedolus fucks off to go die become a dead plot hook

[storm jungle]

Yeah Eldar didnt make the Blackstone Fortresses

the only lead we got is it just being random Old Ones tech

[silver flame]

no clue if this has anythign to do with actualy gameplay , but why is the preachers line blood for the emperor, skulls for the golden throne. considered heretical

[arctic talon]

She showed up just to help kill the chaos lord the first time

[storm jungle]

basically

its the war cry for the chaos god Khorne

[arctic talon]

Because its close in line with BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

And Blood for the god emperor skulls for the golden throne

is very common from imperials under khorne's influence

like this is a very common chant

[storm jungle]

yeah its a tongue-in-cheek joke but also very much lore-accurate

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

Also yeah i was gonna say like

its kinda dissapointing how... half the cast just disappaers

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

its very much the writer just not wantign to bother writing them which sucks lmao

[arctic talon]

Hell of the launch cast the only like regular apperances are like

Janus, thaddeus, Pious, Grekh, and Esprn

[storm jungle]

Yeee we are literally stuck with like Draik and Grekh at the end but i wont complain because hes a real homie 🙏

[arctic talon]

UR-025, Amallyn, Rein and Rauss all fuck off lol

[silver flame]

the fanatic voice pack is chalked full of such good lines, thnak you two for the clarifacation!

[storm jungle]

anytime

[arctic talon]

Draik and Grekh are great

[arctic talon]

👍

of the season 2 cast its like literally just Neyam and Gotfret who stick around in any capacity

[storm jungle]

Yeah very much so lmao

[arctic talon]

Aradia just fucking vanishes

[storm jungle]

their treatment is like uh

get short story

disappear

lol

[arctic talon]

She's also like

vaugely important

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao

[arctic talon]

which is even funnier with her just vanishing

Oh also Mallex stays around ig

but thats because he literally can't die lmao

and he might be getting puppeted by the fortress

[storm jungle]

actually on that note i was gonna say earlier

on the fortress itself i was gonna say its deffo just Random Old Ones Tech™️ because its definitely pretty benevolent in a sense that it never really does anything else aside from defending its interior

• offering Janus to be reunited with his dead gf

[arctic talon]

yeah

generally speaking the fortress is like? nice

it doesn't really attack anyone

[storm jungle]

Yeah all it does is deploy drones if you specifically tresspass

xenologis actually covers this which is neat

[arctic talon]

Well you're breaking into it

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much its generous enough as it is

[arctic talon]

I think its pretty reasonable for it to do that lol

also the fact there's a random ass watch captain and solitaire running around inside the fortress still

is hilarious

[storm jungle]

^

like people have set up entire shanty towns and ports on its exterior body iirc which is hilarious

Overall though it was legit a great setting and something you'd never really expect from GW, genuinely surprised they put as much effort into as they did before the game itself just died

I kinda get why since like, its a boardgame

[arctic talon]

Yeah honestly it had to end somehow

Just the ending is a bit hollow almost

everyone got fridged

[storm jungle]

Yeah its why i dont read 40k books a lot LMAO

[arctic talon]

except for the people who died horrifically

[storm jungle]

yeah fuck em

[arctic talon]

but all things considered getting stuck on board the BSF isn't bad

you'll never go hungry

or really die

[storm jungle]

Lmao literally just be a diet human c'tan

[arctic talon]

you might go insane though lol

[storm jungle]

also that

[arctic talon]

also the augmentation chamber is uh

nice

[storm jungle]

kek

[arctic talon]

just hope you don't get brainworms like Mallex did

lul

[storm jungle]

Or find a random Eldar Bioweapon

[arctic talon]

Real

[storm jungle]

Isha's Lament Moment

[arctic talon]

Skill issue simply endure it/s

[storm jungle]

lmao

Tho i guess the setting itself was always made to be temporary hence why it never really went anywhere

im just glad we got it, it was very weird in a good way

[arctic talon]

Yeah

tbh its like Cursed City

for AoS its meant to be self contained

and it gives a good bit of freedom

[storm jungle]

Yeee, its a lot better than like the usual GW thing where its just a random campaign ala Arks of Omen, Psychic Awakening or Warzones.

these all pass by in mentions and general lore blurbs so having something in actual boots on the ground detail is neat

[arctic talon]

yeah

also least racist eldar from beil'tan

[storm jungle]

Shes a true inspiration.

man I remember the absolute hype when this game came out, the moment people saw UR-25 everyone was wojak pointing 💀

[arctic talon]

there's a lot of cool lore from all the perspectives of the characters

also the very very rare Eldar Solitaire POV

and Watch Captain POV

[storm jungle]

Yeee tho uh

A lot of them are a bit Generic Imperial Stereotype

token preacher

token zealot

etc

most were good tho

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Respect the pimp-cane

[arctic talon]

3 of the explorers get rendered immortal by the fortress

the question is which 3

bcs of the 3 augments

[arctic talon]

God his weird chest mutations are so creepy

[storm jungle]

KEK

hes great

[arctic talon]

also the fact he isn't a navigator

[storm jungle]

LMAO yeah

actual hackfraud

[arctic talon]

First navigator mini ever

isn't an actual navigator

this is prolly my favorite looking of the "brands"

[storm jungle]

I WAS LITERALLY about to post

One of my friends whos a massive Blackstone Fortress nut actually got every card

since iirc every card inside a box set is randomized IRL

and got them commissioned as PNGs

[arctic talon]

Its fucking randomized which is absurd imo

But its super cool

[storm jungle]

Yeah he told me and i was like "the fuck"

I like how one of these in-lore is like

[arctic talon]

can he send images of all of them

if not thats fine lol

[storm jungle]

"Oh you are immortal now"

[arctic talon]

I want to have them on hand for like

visual refrence

[storm jungle]

Lmao let me ask brb

[arctic talon]

Its so casual with how it talks about how you literally cannot die lol

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah like when its tabletop its like "oh great more stats" while in-lore you literally get like

super strenght or wolverine regeneration

[arctic talon]

also Mallex literally going

https://tenor.com/view/sampound-sexoffender-shuffle-gif-5489012

I am not conviced the fortress isn't controlling his fucking corpse lol

[storm jungle]

KEK

Thats what you get you fucking chaos marine dipshit

[arctic talon]

like the fact he just willingly joins you

is uh intresting

and the fact his mark is in universe called the Mark of Force might mean something

[storm jungle]

Speaking of Marks

got the entire file-dump hold on

[arctic talon]

ty

[undone zodiac]

Do farsight enclaves have access to pathfinders? I remember they didnt in older codexes

[arctic talon]

they do

Farsight enclaves in lore nowadays have access to everything but the latest stuff the tau empire has

also ethereals

[storm jungle]

If you download em the file name should say what Augmetic they are

[arctic talon]

Thanks

[storm jungle]

Np, he literally went and commissioned all of these

gotta admire that

[arctic talon]

its a lot

[storm jungle]

13 in total i think

[arctic talon]

yeah

Thanks a ton for this

[storm jungle]

Lmao you're welcome

[arctic talon]

They're all very aesthetically unique

to anything that exists already tbh

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are great, actual gems

but with that imma head to bed, gotta prep for my shift tomorrow, enjoy the Destiny Logos

[silver flame]

do characters of the same class, but different voices, interact? my fanatic and friends judge havent interacted at all and its weird

[crisp heath]

Yes, and same class, same voice

I think those combos have less unique interactions though so it's rarer

[green loom]

I feel like one day i'll see this one some character posted by chaos marine

[crystal forum]

man this new remix beta is cool

illuminati be like

[green loom]

What's the lore behind this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdXrG4zt9g&ab_channel=JiminiPainkiller

[crystal forum]

man old 40k art goes hard

but GW could sue

[crisp heath]

Sue? They hired the guys

"Realm of Chaos" did have to change its album art because GW didn't give Bolt Thrower permission, but they hired Bolt Thrower a bit later for a different album

Oblivion though was produced by GW

I believe they also produced Sabbat's Blood for the Blood God, but that may have just been a fan work since I never actually checked

D-Rok's music is used in the Boltgun OST

Brian May is also on that album, for some fuckin reason

[green loom]

They were under a GW record lable

[green loom]

Yeah they found him with his son in a random warhammer store and he played guitar in two of their songs

[crisp heath]

Alright I checked, GW didn't have Sabbat make "Blood for the Blood God", but they did sell it along with a copy of White Dwarf

[green loom]

Warhammer records apparently had uh

DRok

Wraith

and Bolt Thrower?

[crisp heath]

Have you seen the 'new' album art for "Realm of Chaos"?

Absolute travesty

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a4022766229_10.jpg

They went the Chinese knock-off route

[shadow plover]

bolt thrower goes hard

[crisp heath]

I actually want GW to pay EMMP to do something official, but iirc he's Russian so it'd be a bad look rn

"The Temptation of Horus" has some of the most garbled broken English I've ever heard but it still sounds absolutely kickass

[wooden ridge]

What is EMMP?

[crisp heath]

https://youtu.be/G7yoGxXxqVI

[wooden ridge]

Oh, well, that's interesting

Btw, Space Marine 2 is being made by the Saint Petersburg department of Saber Interactive. And the lead game director is Dimitry Grigorenko. Nothing bad has happened yet

[crisp heath]

I know some people are already pre-emptively leaving bad reviews of Rogue Trader

Oof my bad 'Temptation of Horus' isn't EMMP

I was thinking of Galaxy Aflame

I was thinking of the images they used 😅

https://youtu.be/LTGKRTF-zUA

Mixed up these two songs, and then mixed up the titles of 2 galaxy aflame songs

[wooden ridge]

There are always some Twitter geniuses who are offended by something

I am sure it won't hurt the game or the company when it releases

[green loom]

How come

[crisp heath]

Russians

[wooden ridge]

Owlcat are Russians

[green loom]

Ah

I have found R63 art of Maugan Ra

[crimson kayak]

Wait what, why?

[celest dome]

Russian invasion of Ukr and stuff

[queen laurel]

made by russian people equals bad

[wooden ridge]

Because it is being made by ||Wagner|| PMC, that's obvious

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/744439226153697310.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[celest cedar]

what happened to the 40k lore channels

is it because youtube shorts take all the views now

[storm jungle]

I mean nothing has happened as far as I know?

all of them still make content

32 seconds in and he says

"As a lore creator myself and seemingly the only channel to have a healthy grow-chart, I find myself uniquely qualified to tackle this question."

[celest cedar]

bros speaking politic speech

[storm jungle]

Major on his Dicktator arc

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

majorkill, more like minor kill

[storm jungle]

lmao

that sounded so wrong

[celest cedar]

it gets better

[crystal forum]

brian may is into warhammer??!?

seriously what hasn't this dude done

[queen laurel]

Does Donald Trump have an equivalent of this

[green loom]

His son is

Apparently

[crystal forum]

we're doneald

[celest cedar]

were donald

but no one has made a meme format yet

[queen laurel]

I'll take it

[celest cedar]

reminds me of the mass effect gamer poop joke

"My soft DICtator"

[storm jungle]

to be fair its a good joke

to quote one of my favorite uses of it

"You really know how to put Dick in Dictatorship."

[shadow plover]

Oh no Majorkill with shit content, I gasp

[storm jungle]

lmao yeah like

hes literally doing analytical comparisons

[celest cedar]

it was all clickbait

[queen laurel]

I very rarely watch his videos but holy crap does he's ego feed him

[storm jungle]

Honestly hot take but

i really want a channel

who literally reads wikipages like an audiobook

Id legit love that

[crystal forum]

that exists

[storm jungle]

nah

not OneMind

[celest cedar]

it needs to have that tiktok lady voice narrating it

[shadow plover]

was about to say OMS

[celest cedar]

otherwise peoples attention span is gone

[crystal forum]

fuck you

[celest cedar]

hi jj

[storm jungle]

im talking like them literally saying "I got a smooth voice and I read long lore pages on the wiki"

[celest cedar]

hi dilara

[storm jungle]

💀

but that would be great because like uh

if you cant afford codexes

[queen laurel]

The fact that this is a genuine advice that works on our current generation

[storm jungle]

they just copy paste that shit on there to begin with

lmao

[crystal forum]

did you know the tiktok lady is a real person

[celest cedar]

hi bulgur

[celest cedar]

TRUE

[celest cedar]

theres an interview she did yea

cant remember from whos channel since i only saw the thumbnail

[crystal forum]

she seems nice but god damn if that isn't the most annoying sorta condescending voice i've ever heard

[storm jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/1073533020524511252/rayangosling.gif

[crystal forum]

sometimes i forget this is a darktide server

[spare osprey]

Baldermort is fire with that shit

He does more Codex lore than the wikis tho

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

also 7m into the video now

[celest cedar]

u should visit one of the class chat

[storm jungle]

Man holy fuck

i wish i could make that much money sitting on my ass just reading lore and explaining them to a doofus across me

28k a month

[crystal forum]

isn't that like 100$ usd

[storm jungle]

I doubt it

[crystal forum]

fr though after splitting the money with the team members and the editor i doubt it's that much

[green loom]

And just vomitting misinformation

[storm jungle]

Oh my fucking god

[spare osprey]

Likely a big draw is the posters they do

[storm jungle]

Is that a zoat

[green loom]

I mean gotta remember, Bricky also makes his own money

[storm jungle]

Literally just posted it

big jinx

[spare osprey]

They’ve done

A lot

[storm jungle]

Yeah its just so generic too

[spare osprey]

Last one I saw was a lady cypher

[storm jungle]

yeah lol

40k fans eat that shit up

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/frequently-pratik-gandhi-manan-ni-therapy-very-often-all-the-time-gif-20415141

[green loom]

I think SpaceMAXMarine has better R63

[storm jungle]

Kinda depends

smut is usually easy to get traction when you make a good output of Generic Hot Woman art with a good artist.

[storm jungle]

yeah stuff like that

[queen laurel]

You mean those tyranid diplomats?

[celest cedar]

Pog

[storm jungle]

just take a character and sexualize it

boom

cha ching

lol

[crystal forum]

if you think that's a lot of money you should see how much furries will pay to have an average artist draw something

[storm jungle]

I mean

Most furries are literally scientists and airplane pilots

its not really comparable

[green loom]

I think Dilara is aware

[storm jungle]

Yeah im entirely aware

[spare osprey]

Just

[green loom]

Miles DF moment

[spare osprey]

Don’t involve dinosaurs

[crystal forum]

i literally fall in this category how dare you

[green loom]

Do you guys know about the theory that the best paid neuro surgeon in the US commissions mass amounts of sonic smut?

[storm jungle]

Owned

[storm jungle]

Also its not a theory its true

Most furries have SUPER well paying jobs

[spare osprey]

I’d assume so

[crystal forum]

hold you horses

[storm jungle]

like its comical

[spare osprey]

That shit costs

[crystal forum]

sonic fans are not necessarily furries

[queen laurel]

If they can afford a giant animatronic suit to wear, then they can afford a pipe bomb to my mailbox

[crystal forum]

animatronic???

[storm jungle]

FNAF Time

[crystal forum]

you think furries wear combat exoskeletons or something

[queen laurel]

Yes

[green loom]

Assuming at least half of DARPA is furries that's not out of the question

[crystal forum]

how did you come upon this information

[queen laurel]

The internet

[crystal forum]

our plan was supposed to be secret

[green loom]

Maybe I should learn how to draw Anthro stuff

[spare osprey]

Biggest hobby spender in 40K I can honestly think of.

Black lion

That man is wild

[storm jungle]

Unless you are a furry not worth it

speaking from expertise

[crystal forum]

btw speaking of furry money, i peer pressured a friend into drawing furry art and now he can pay his entire college

[queen laurel]

Use this flowchart to determine how furry your artwork is

[storm jungle]

Yeah like its an internet meme but furry art makes immense money

its just more about sacrificing your principles lmao

[green loom]

The biggest danger is hating yourself and losing your faith in humanity and I'm well passed both bridges so I'd be fine

[storm jungle]

^

yeah its why i said unless you're a furry dont

that way you got nothing to lose lol

[crystal forum]

don't even need to draw NSFW stuff

although that will make you rich

[green loom]

The only thing it'd cost me is my dignity

But frankly I'd prefer not to be homeless

[queen laurel]

I wonder what your space marine chapter will say to you finding out what you did in order to get money

[crystal forum]

even in the 41st millenium, twenty bucks is twenty bucks

[storm jungle]

But okay anyway, to save anyone that might look at this channel soon we should probably steer back to warhammer

[queen laurel]

We don't want to traumatized that random person who decided to look here

[green loom]

Warhammer furries either like the setting or are obsessed with trying to cram in and rationalize their fursona as being a commissar specifically

For some reason

[storm jungle]

uhh

its mostly because commissars got the military authority appeal

that and "person in uniform"

[celest cedar]

im already lost anyway

sunk cost fallacy

keep going

[crystal forum]

the ven diagram of furries and warhammer is straight up a circle

[queen laurel]

Does the imperium even allow abhuman commissars?

[storm jungle]

no lmao

Abhumans are basicaly "subhuman" in their eyes

[queen laurel]

Yep i knew it

[storm jungle]

this word just never gets used because uhh IRL reasons

[green loom]

It's lost on most people that Commissars aren't locally recruited

[crystal forum]

i just remembered something i was wondering the other day

can a navigator person thingy become anything but a navigator

[storm jungle]

Nope

[crystal forum]

the ones with the third eye

[spare osprey]

I like to imagine specific commissars in some regiments

[queen laurel]

They get their education on the most hardcore school

[spare osprey]

Like a Ratling company Commissar. Only thing is he isn’t a ratling, just a normal dude with dwarfism.

[storm jungle]

Navigators' sole job is to be a Navigator

its the same reason they do incest

lol

Their third warp-eye is the only thing that makes them useful

[crystal forum]

what are those psykers who can communicate like long distance telephones called again

[storm jungle]

Astropath

because they Paths with Astros

[queen laurel]

And literally the only reason why they have the equivalent of white people privilege

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

are they cannonically all blind

[storm jungle]

Yes

the process they go through to become astropaths burns their eyes out

[crystal forum]

can they see with psyker powers

[storm jungle]

Ye

they are psykers

just not super-wizards

[spare osprey]

Astropaths are something. I remember a little section where one of their messages uses a space marine librarian as a relay while he’s in the middle of a battle. Dude fuckin dies

[crystal forum]

can they become space marines

[storm jungle]

no lmao

they are literally weak twinks

they are useless to anyone else

[crystal forum]

twinks have many uses

[storm jungle]

[spare osprey]

👴

[storm jungle]

steroids are not one of them

[queen laurel]

Speaking of ships what's the biggest ship that the imperium produces, i know they're basically giant ships that they no longer make because you know classic we lost the schematics, but what's the biggest class of ship

[celest dome]

Astropath can have Ice power no ?

[queen laurel]

Basically a warlord equivalent

[spare osprey]

Pyskers are a mess and a half man.

[storm jungle]

Gloriana

which are Primarch ships and lost relics

let me get my Imperial ship chart

[spare osprey]

Willing to bet the duel between Horus and emps is gonna just be pages of “mind powers”

[storm jungle]

Might wanna uhhh, open a tab

[queen laurel]

I just turned off my pc

[storm jungle]

Lmao good luck

[queen laurel]

So same deal with the titans the biggest thing we can recreate was the warlord right

[storm jungle]

Imperator is the biggest Imperial titan

[green loom]

Hehehehehe

[queen laurel]

The biggest titan that we can currently reproduce

[green loom]

Been a while since I've seen that name

[queen laurel]

You know you can still make it

[storm jungle]

Imperators still get made

[queen laurel]

If i remember it was the warlord right

[queen laurel]

Really

[storm jungle]

any titan type can get made yea

its just uhhh

hard lmao

its why Forgworlds are important most of the time

[green loom]

Imperators are more status symbols at this point tbh

[queen laurel]

Alright boys you know what to do, does heretical cloning to get more man power

[green loom]

Just a massive art project that happens to be able to fight

[spare osprey]

Whatever the Bucephelus or Imperator Somnium were probably

They’re an unknown class tho

[green loom]

They don't produce those doe

The Somnium at least was entirely unique and built with some Dark Age secret mumbo jumbo

[storm jungle]

^

its Big E's flagship and one of a kind

[green loom]

The Largest produced are probably Emperors

[storm jungle]

for "common" use yea

also Ark Mechanicuses

[green loom]

But those are effectivley found lel

I like carriers

[spare osprey]

Both of em were. E’s flagships and all. Plus I just took the question as what’s the biggest ship the imperium has had what with the mention of ships out of production

[crystal forum]

man i wish aeronautica was actually a naval game

[storm jungle]

thats Battlefleet Gothic

ye git

[spare osprey]

That’s what gothic was for

[crystal forum]

is that a tabletop game

[storm jungle]

yes

[spare osprey]

Old one

[green loom]

Battlefleet Gothic Armada was based on the tabletop game of the same name

But it's been OOP for ages

[storm jungle]

yeah instead of that we get uh

30k Epic

fucking hilarious

[crystal forum]

are those styrofoam balls

[storm jungle]

Yes

you have an issue with that?

[shadow plover]

30k epic hell yeah

[spare osprey]

Probably. Can really use whatever you have. That’s the name of the game with anything 40K

[spare osprey]

Ong. Love me some mini termies

[crystal forum]

flashback to primary school projects about planets where you had to use those things to represent the solar system

[storm jungle]

lmao yep

its literally the same deal

just add ships

[queen laurel]

I love the fact that they make these giant ships and the contender Orks got?

A giant rock that they attached thrusters to

[storm jungle]

its great

orks do have a lot of ships

they just look incredibly samey

[crystal forum]

is that where the rocs come from

[queen laurel]

They are hollowed-out asteroids

[spare osprey]

Love me some battle moons

[storm jungle]

ITS LITERALLY

[crystal forum]

yeah but did they come from gothic

[storm jungle]

IN THE NAME

also no

they always existed

[crystal forum]

9000 km

[queen laurel]

I love the fact that they have a ship specifically made to ram the poor bastard in front of it

[spare osprey]

Always find this very literal interpretation of the rock very funny

Ahhhh BFG

[spare osprey]

The war of the beast was crazy dog

[crystal forum]

so orks created a fucking death star in 40k

[queen laurel]

The attack moon ate planets in order to expand

It was literally unicron from transformers

[spare osprey]

Yup

[storm jungle]

Shadow Mushroom Ork Gang

We love casting planets

[spare osprey]

Almost did in terra

[storm jungle]

my favorite part of the Beast war was uh

[crystal forum]

what stopped it

[storm jungle]

Mechanicus preparing to teleport mars away from Terra and the Solar System

lmao

[spare osprey]

They teleported half of the moon

[queen laurel]

They even sent an ork fluent in gothic in order to ask for them to surrender

[storm jungle]

Also Space Marine kill-teams

it was the inspiration for the Deathwatch

[queen laurel]

And the Ork was disgusted with their behavior

[crystal forum]

oh so that's where that frequently quoted lore is from

[spare osprey]

Sounds like a fungus issue.

Nah but I’d wanna see how an old ass ork reacts to like

How the imperium turned out after the HH

Maybe just in M31

[crystal forum]

orks are probably super happy that they're not being exterminated anymore

[spare osprey]

Not at the scale before at least

[queen laurel]

The beast's Orks a very huge, bare minimum the boyz are nob sized

[spare osprey]

So much more back and forth now

[queen laurel]

While the nobz are the size of an average war boss

[crystal forum]

sometimes i wonder why the imperium never finds megastructures

from old humanity

[storm jungle]

They do

all the time

the problem is

humans are stupid

https://tenor.com/view/archaeology-fail-failure-gif-8427172

[spare osprey]

That just physically hurt me

[crystal forum]

i dont remember if we had this conversation before but is there a dyson sphere somewhere in 40k

[storm jungle]

Yes.

Necrons have one

its near/outside the Milky Way used to house the C'tan known as the Outsider

[queen laurel]

Of course

[celest dome]

Lathe systems are Dysons sphrere iirc

[spare osprey]

I’d imagine votaan have like one. Who knows wtf they’re up to.

[crystal forum]

wait what

[storm jungle]

You heard me

[crystal forum]

it's not even in the galaxy?

[spare osprey]

Oh god the outsider

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tsara'noga

[spare osprey]

Couple things go on outside the Milky Way.

Believe that’s where the silent king was for a long while

[crystal forum]

i saw that image once and i had no idea what that was. is that why people think necrons and nids are related in some way?

[storm jungle]

Silent King was beyond outside the Milky Wya yeah

No?

they arent related

[crystal forum]

their stories i mean

[storm jungle]

Nope

[spare osprey]

Fightin the good fight

[crystal forum]

like the theory that nids were made to stop the necrons

[storm jungle]

Nha

[queen laurel]

And when he returned he was like

"God damn those cockroaches are extra crispy"

[storm jungle]

thats just a dumb theory

[spare osprey]

Nah wouldn’t make sense

[storm jungle]

Nids came to the galaxy because they saw the flash of the Pharos exploding in 30k

[spare osprey]

Why make something that eats biomass to fight a non organic species

[storm jungle]

^

like

Nids can kill necrons but its more "why even do it"

[crystal forum]

this was before the necrons became robos though

[spare osprey]

Necrons weren’t a real big bad before the robo

[crystal forum]

wait did necrons become robos before, during or after the war in heaven

[storm jungle]

Necrons were robots by then

[crystal forum]

ah

[green loom]

Before, it's what kicked off the War more or less

[queen laurel]

If that theory is true then who ever made the tyranids was a moron, why would you make your ultimate weapon against living metal something that only absorbs biological material

[arctic talon]

Right before it began

[green loom]

There was another, seperate war before the CTan and stuff were found

[storm jungle]

Necrons became robots pre-War in Heaven, the C'tan promised them immortality but the bio-furnaces they walked into turned the lower populace into mindless robots, only the nobility and higher class necrontry kept their minds.

after THAT it was show-time

https://tenor.com/view/necron-necrons-40k-warhammer-gif-25759052

[green loom]

Man I wish I could draw rn

[storm jungle]

Lmao

but yeah the Pharos explosion took place during mid-30k

[spare osprey]

Be me, a hormagaunt, fighting blue colored space marines, all magic so they taste better, Mfw it’s just dust.

[storm jungle]

the flash was sawn by nid scout ships in the galactic void between galaxies

once the Nids arrived in the Milky Way around M41

[crystal forum]

oh i thought nids only appeared after the heresy

[storm jungle]

they saw the Astronomicon and were like

"oh hey lightbulb"

[storm jungle]

They did

im talking literal light years away

[green loom]

If the year is light, why is it so long

[storm jungle]

during that they were asleep between the black void between galaxies

[queen laurel]

If i fight necrons i just hope its Zandrekh, i will ask him to fight me in a game of chess i will probably lose but hey i survived

[spare osprey]

Honestly nid arrival is something that just needs to be explained.

Atleast which millennium

[crystal forum]

so does this imply that psykers exist outside the milky way

[spare osprey]

It’s so confusing after looking into some stories

[green loom]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tyran

[storm jungle]

No lmao

It has nothing to do with psykers

it was just a bright light

[queen laurel]

It was during the horus heresy apparently when a giant big glowing white went off during the war and the tyranids saw it

[crystal forum]

how else would nids be able to see the astro

[spare osprey]

That’s the first contact yes

[storm jungle]

aaaaa

I didnt say that

💀

[spare osprey]

But it conflicts with a Buncha other stuff

[storm jungle]

Okay restarting

[spare osprey]

First that comes to mind is a DA one (of course)

[green loom]

Like how Fenrisian Krakens are supposedly Nid offshoots?

[storm jungle]

Pharos Device was a big beacon thing, some Night Lords destroyed it during a battle in 30k

the explosion wa sso bright

it spread massive lightrays that went beyond the Milky Way before dissipating

some Nid scout ships saw this

[spare osprey]

The story of why the deathwing wears bone white armor

[crystal forum]

oh it was literally bright

[storm jungle]

and began travelling slowly to our galaxy

its ONCE thye arrived they saw how bright the astronomican is

[green loom]

That canon was changed eons ago

[storm jungle]

then began travelling to that

because the astronomican's range doesnt go beyond the milky way

and even then its limited inside the galaxy

[crystal forum]

that's something i just dont get

[queen laurel]

And apparently there were a few fleets that wandered into the milky way

They just went into hibernation

[crystal forum]

is the entirety of chaos stuck in the milky way

[storm jungle]

Yes

[storm jungle]

its local

the Warp doesnt spread beyond the Galaxy as far as we know

[crystal forum]

isn't that crazy

[storm jungle]

Not really

its just how it is

[spare osprey]

Nope same story, they restated it in the 9th ed DA codex.

[storm jungle]

its because theres massive voids of nothing between galaxies, where planets and sentient life doesnt exist.

Its why Chaos can't find anything beyond the Milky Way.

[green loom]

Weird

[queen laurel]

This would be very good for your space marine chapter, angel's bulwark if i recall

[spare osprey]

Ik

Really weird

[green loom]

Something something unreliable narrator ig

[storm jungle]

but we basically know nothing about whats outside the Milky Way in 40k

[spare osprey]

Especially when they already had the whole bone armor written up in HH

[storm jungle]

aside from tyranids

[spare osprey]

Tho something that was interesting to me

[crystal forum]

so traveling in the warp is impossible outside the milky way?

[spare osprey]

Is that not just Deathwing had bone armor plates

[storm jungle]

Yeah because theres nothing to focus on and come out to

[green loom]

It's impossible in places in the milky way already

[storm jungle]

imagine using lighthouses to travel, but how the moment you go out at the sea you are literally lost

its basically that

[crystal forum]

i meant more like is there even a warp to begin with out there

[spare osprey]

Cause in a short story in cthonia’s reckoning it mentions dreadwing veterans being denoted by bone white armor plates

[queen laurel]

Speaking of something that doesn't really come from the milky way, where the fuck is the deep rock galactic dwarves hiding again

[crystal forum]

what

[queen laurel]

Votaan

[storm jungle]

Galactic Core

aka the shiniest part of the our galaxy

due to how many planets there are there

[green loom]

Doesn't the Great Rif

Ykno

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/blackhole-galaxy-gif-25072709

[green loom]

Go over that

[storm jungle]

yeah uh

it gets coverd in the codex

its not pretty

[queen laurel]

They live in the center of our universe?

[spare osprey]

Not at all

[green loom]

Constant war?

[storm jungle]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Mostly

[spare osprey]

And horrible conditions

[storm jungle]

they literally got 1 codex atm

[spare osprey]

Gravity wells that just up and rip entire fleets apart

[crystal forum]

fun fact, at the center of our galaxy most likely there's a supermassive black hole

[arctic talon]

They’re getting a book soon™️

[queen laurel]

Interesting

[spare osprey]

By the greatest writer of all time

Gav Thorpe

[queen laurel]

Bro has the name of an ogryn

[arctic talon]

I swear to god if I see a las cannon fail to work on a tank I’m gona cry

[spare osprey]

Bro’s butchered the eldar and DA.

Can’t wait to see how the Stunties fair

[arctic talon]

Good world building at least

[queen laurel]

How common is that for you to develop emotional trauma

[crystal forum]

i don't know if i like votaan tanks or not

[arctic talon]

Considering I’ve read Gav thropes books it’s very common

It’s just suffering porn for the faction in question

[queen laurel]

Jesus Christ

[arctic talon]

99% of the time

[spare osprey]

I think they need more of em to really have a definitive opinion

[arctic talon]

I like them so far

Tbh

[crystal forum]

the ones they have look like oversized mining vehicles

[spare osprey]

Which I mean

They do a lot of mining

[crystal forum]

wish it looked more industrial though

it's too "pretty"

[arctic talon]

I think that’s just the scheme ngl

GW did a very “clean” look

[crystal forum]

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120118006_LandFortressLead.jpg

idk

the proportions are all weird

the wheels are so tiny

[queen laurel]

What, you mean gears of war?

[arctic talon]

And I’m never unseeing that now

Fuck

I like this one more

But it isn’t exactly a tank

[crystal forum]

the giant ass transparent cockpit windows are the kicker for me

makes them look like they were designed for exploration rather than combat

[queen laurel]

Considering their way of life

That is probably accurate

[arctic talon]

Imo that’s intentional

They haven’t had to do much super aggressive fighting till the great rift

[crystal forum]

do we have any lore about these vehicles

im willing to bet they're also made to be lived in

[arctic talon]

Uhhh lemme check

[queen laurel]

They are just in the codex for now

So maybe very little

[arctic talon]

Sagitaur is a recon vehicle for surveying

Iirc

[storm jungle]

Yeah votann have no lore aside from whats said in the codex

they are a fresh new faction

[crystal forum]

anything about them having crew quarters?

[arctic talon]

No but considering you can shove 5 dwarfs into it I’d assume it’s got space for it

[crystal forum]

ok that's pretty cool

self sufficient tanks is a cool idea

[storm jungle]

dwarves are

kinda short iirc

so

[arctic talon]

[green loom]

Their models are half the size of a primaris marine

[arctic talon]

They’re nice models

Take well to bright colors

[crystal forum]

would be nice if GW knew how to balance them and give them good lore

[arctic talon]

Hey they might get some good lore

In the Gav thrope book

It’s gona be like all world building

But they need it

[spare osprey]

Which makes writing killing them all the more tedious. Worth it tho

[green loom]

Oh btw

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/16/jude-reid-interview-how-i-brought-the-daughter-of-ursarkar-e-creed-to-life/

New Guard stuff

[queen laurel]

Wait

gav thrope

Zoanthrope

Oh no

[arctic talon]

[queen laurel]

The writer is a tyranid

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/matilda-mommy-is-a-twit-your-mommy-is-a-twit-twit-trunchbull-gif-25540820

[crystal forum]

i legit thought her name was ursula for a while

[storm jungle]

it is

LOL

[crystal forum]

no it's ursarkar

[storm jungle]

no

thats her fucking surname

[crystal forum]

i fucking hate cadia

[arctic talon]

Based?

[crystal forum]

i thought kasrkin was pronounced car-skin

but no

[queen laurel]

That's one hell of a weird flayed one

[storm jungle]

kas-er-kin

Kasr is the name of the mountain fortress on Gaydia

[green loom]

Her dad was Ursarkar Creed, she's Ursula Creed

[green loom]

It's effectively their word for "City"

[storm jungle]

Ye

[green loom]

Kasr Kraf and such

[storm jungle]

we love casting kasrs

[green loom]

[arctic talon]

Lol

[green loom]

No, warcom, not everyone does, as everyone constantly reminds me

[arctic talon]

They are aware

[storm jungle]

I love how this entire interview is just

"So what made you write this character and what was the inspiration?"

The writer:

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

Like I appreciate the attempts at publicity

but she literally came out of nowhere

stop trying to act as if shes a big deal GW

[green loom]

She's a Doctor

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/my-wife-is-a-doctor-itsrucka-destroyed-with-facts-and-logic-song-she-is-a-doctor-my-partner-is-a-doctor-gif-18667648

GW rn

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-white-pikmin-death-gif-19148419

[queen laurel]

So theoretically, i can defeat her by throwing an apple on her face?

[crystal forum]

pretty much all guard players i've seen either don't want to kitbash other regiments so they stay with cadia or they already have another regiment

i don't know anybody who willingly goes into guardsmen for cadians

[storm jungle]

Theres a lot

MUH PLANET BROKE GAS BEFORE THE GUARD DID

[queen laurel]

Ok so i'm just going to ask this question, steel legion is basically death korps of krieg but they embody the concept of tank warfare from world war, unlike krieg which embodies infantry combat

[storm jungle]

Yeah Steel Legion are entirely blitzkrieg germans

their earlie designs were also very german

they got de-germanized the more we came to our current year

[arctic talon]

Death korps are like

[queen laurel]

Find my new favorite guard regiment then

[arctic talon]

Just general WW1 aesthetic

[storm jungle]

Like this is one of the first Steel Legion arworks

he literally has falschimjaeger camo

[arctic talon]

Steel legion are like very very blitzkrieg German

[storm jungle]

Extremely yeah

[arctic talon]

And even in updated art they still have that vibe

Anyways eat your meth chocolate

[storm jungle]

Also

[arctic talon]

And go fight an ork warlord

[storm jungle]

their helmets in artwork like this had the uhh

german empire sticker thing

[arctic talon]

He ate his friends chocolate ration

[storm jungle]

Like i said tho they very much got de-germanized the more it went on

but the blitzkrieg tactic stayed

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/3/3e/Armageddon_Steel_Legion_Trooper_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160403200656

[queen laurel]

If you can exorcise a greater demon by using 1000 tanks, then i will respect you

[arctic talon]

Tbh this is still very

It’s got that look

[storm jungle]

Yeah but its a lot more of an improvement than this

here just swap to gun to some german WW2 one

and its basically wehrmacht

lol

[arctic talon]

Lol

Real

[storm jungle]

Yep lmao

but Krieg got the german focus more because their name was german lol

[queen laurel]

Krieg embodied the infantry aspect

[storm jungle]

also WW1

yeah exactly

[queen laurel]

Steel legion got the armor

[crystal forum]

nah i bet 90% of those people just say that because of the video game or whatever that had the fall of cadia

[arctic talon]

Real

[storm jungle]

Battlefleet Gothic

💀

[arctic talon]

I’ve met like

[storm jungle]

its a great intro to the game but oof