40k-lore-chat

[coarse pumice]

Taking into account inflation

[queen laurel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/L3APaz8OY28?feature=share

[crystal forum]

cadia is at war again. anyways...

[celest dome]

Isn't it the same war ?

[crystal forum]

yes but when this book was written i guess the fall of cadia wasn't a thing yet

[green loom]

Cadia was an active battleground pretty much ever since the 1st black crusade

[heavy bison]

Do Zoanthropes float or do they slither? Or is it a combination of both? They always have their snake like bodies on the ground in the artwork and box art.

I was thinking about elongating them to have them coiling around branches and over logs and shit for my Jungle ‘nids.

[queen laurel]

they usually float

But you can make them coil around logs and branches

just have a reason ready on how they can do that

[heavy bison]

They’re not a flier right? I need to check the rules.

[queen laurel]

Yes they levitate

[green loom]

Does anyone have some nice images of dregs and scabs?

[storm jungle]

does concept art count

[green loom]

Sure

[storm jungle]

[nocturne crest]

That scab with the bright yellow hood and cloak with the large mask reminds me of those classic yellow hazmat suits.

[celest dome]

Some of those would be great for Psykers or Sorcerwr elites

[crisp heath]

The pointy hood made me think of these old forgeword guys from the Vraks era

Would have been really good to see a "preacher" make it into the specialists pool. They would probably provide some sort of AoE buff to nearby heretics

[heavy bison]

I love that its so easy to mage generic cultists into nurgle with 3 round objects of any kind.

make*

3 skulls, 3 rings, 3 collanders, 3 pots/pans, 3 plates

3 rotten apples

3 empty corpse starch tins

[crisp heath]

3 pitted sores next to each other, yeah it's pretty cool especially in the modeling aspect if you're into minis

[crimson kayak]

Either that or some of the new Nazgul dark commune units

[crisp heath]

I can feel the corruption damage through this image, yes

And yeah those guys are totally not Nazgul

[queen laurel]

Ah yes the finest ohio drip

[nocturne crest]

Which faction would most likely be the best to base a battle royale around?

[spare osprey]

orks

[crimson kayak]

orks or chaos

the red corsairs literally host a battle royale on new babab

same for the sons of malice in their space hulk

[celest dome]

I'll play a wild card and say Rogue Trader

Or something about Gangs/Hivers

[keen stratus]

Ok, im gonna need of dilaras tzeentchi explanations for this

whats its exactly the joker god?

[celest dome]

Cegorach ?

It's an Eldar god of Trickery (Fantasy equivalent being Loec).

[arctic talon]

Orks, chaos, imperium

For the imperium it would prolly be a schola progenium death match to weed out the weak

Or it could be an officio assasinorum ship

Where they try their best to turn all the psychopathic children into even more psychopathic ones

[nocturne crest]

Aren't the point of BRs to find and loot the best gear first on the ground?

[storm jungle]

Who?

[keen stratus]

Cegorach

Here we go

i prepare

[storm jungle]

Theres not much to say

[keen stratus]

Fuck

[storm jungle]

Hes just the patron god of the Eldar Harlequins.

[keen stratus]

the one time i want a bible

[storm jungle]

Also convinced the C'tan to eat other during the War in Heaven

lmao

[keen stratus]

and theres no shit

[storm jungle]

I mean there is

its just not much because hes not that complex

[keen stratus]

Ok

i know the thing that triggers all warhammers fan into writing bibles

the one thing

that never fails

what is the horus heresy

[storm jungle]

An Imperial Civil war

Horus goes mad because Chaos and half the primarchs go apeshit and fight each other and it leaves Big E crippled

[celest dome]

It is a complex character, but at the same time very simple in it's complexity

[storm jungle]

Also yeah that

[keen stratus]

Ok, so, whats its point?

[storm jungle]

the point of what

The horus heresy?

[keen stratus]

no

the laugh god

why does it exists

what does it wants

[storm jungle]

Hes the Patron God of the Harlequins, who all have their own seperate troupes/armies that follow His will across the galaxy, performing for other races as a warning or carrying small wars against forces of chaos.

Cegorach and the less nihilistic Harlequins try to preserve the future of the Eldar by fighting the Great Enemy AKA Chaos in any shape or form or carry out mysterious actions that will aid their cause in the long run, this is one of the excuses you can use to make them attack other factions for narrative and tabletop reasons.

Thats it.

[keen stratus]

now there we go

[celest dome]

Why do trickster gods exist ? That's a difficult theological question

[keen stratus]

thats what i wanted

[storm jungle]

Eh in this case its not that deep

its to fight chaos

[keen stratus]

because we live in a society?

[celest dome]

Well it's to fight chaos now, but before, why did Cegorach become what it is

[storm jungle]

It was always what he is.

he didnt ever really change

[celest dome]

Like for clarity, originally there are 2 types of gods for the Eldar (As with the Elf in fantasy), with some that are good and some that are less good.

[storm jungle]

We dont know that with the Eldar tho

their pantheon barely has any lore

[green loom]

Khaine seems a lot nicer

[storm jungle]

Oh hes not LMAO

[celest dome]

Yes, but we can assume it follow a similar pattern

[storm jungle]

We cant because theres no presedence for it.

the books never really mention there being good/bad eldar gods

Khaine is suppose to be the aspect of war and honor but hes literally a dipshit that tortures good gods like Vaul

because uh he didnt make him 999 swords, and lied to him

[keen stratus]

Its just me or khorne its a basic bitch compare to the others?

[green loom]

They're all basic

[celest dome]

I mean khaine isn't in the nice gods

[green loom]

Also Dilara do you have that Vraks cultist with the skull mask on hand?

[storm jungle]

Uhh look up Vraks Enforcer

its the exact mask Fatshark used

[green loom]

Oki

I'm drawing that Wolf guy

[storm jungle]

yeee

[green loom]

Or however his name is spelled

[storm jungle]

Wolfe*

very basic bad guy name

when the game first came out he didnt even have a name in the subs, it was just Traitor Captain™️

[green loom]

I'm like halfway done

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

I think I got most of the characters down

Need to tidy up Morrow's face

I'm very satisfied with Hadron

[crimson kayak]

You can see him in full gear in the opening intro cutscene bowing to the Dreg shotgunner and in the last cinematic trailer

Also this looks like the pointing meme

[nocturne crest]

Didn't the trickster god switch where Fulgrim and the Khan were suppose to land?

[coarse pumice]

pricing lore

[arctic talon]

Wasn’t this expensive for the time as a war game

Or was that 3e

My brain is fried

[terse flume]

a pound was a lot of money suprisingly late

old computer games costing like two pounds always throws me off

[sullen cape]

GW still honours the Mail in orders if you have any of the old Mail this order slip.

[tulip lotus]

Super quick question

The parchment shown on Dreadnoughts citing names - is that the name of the entombed within?

[shadow plover]

often yes

[tulip lotus]

Class, that settles something for me

Calgar’s been boxed then

[green loom]

There's other calgars?

[tulip lotus]

Just the one Calgar actually.

But ‘CALGAR’ is on the parchment in the showcase painted Dreadnought in Leviathan, if I’m remembering right

[green loom]

Yeah, and there's other Calgars

[tulip lotus]

Oh right

Ohhhhh that’s how that was meant to be read

[green loom]

And it was probably just a funni reference that the 'eavy metal team did

[tulip lotus]

I Read That as confusion

[green loom]

Besides that the House of Calgar is still very much a thing, and it's been a few hundred years since old Marneus got recruited

[spare osprey]

It’s a lot of stuff

Could be their name, could be the names of those they write oaths to, could be battles or worlds they’ve served on

Think one option on the ven dread says Calth

And badab

[crystal forum]

speaking of the leviathan box, what's with the libranian in terminator armour's runes?

there's runes on his leg armour. i thought runes were a chaos thing

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60010199057_LeviathanEXTRA3.jpg

[gloomy citrus]

Ask the Space Wolves.

[spare osprey]

It’s anti warp runes

Just basic rites of protection from spirits

Started bein a thing back in the heresy when the loyalists first fought daemons

[crystal forum]

it's an ultramarine actually

though yeah the libra in terminator armour does look very scandanavian

[crystal forum]

does it call a specific chaos deity or is it just generic magic

[storm jungle]

Its literally just general warding runes

Grey Knights have them inscribed to their bones during initiation 👀

[crystal forum]

maybe im not looking at 40k magic correctly but incantations and stuff seems to require a deity of some sort to answer the demands

[storm jungle]

It doesn't.

Wards can just have a general psychic effect that isnt tied to a deity.

Magic isnt patented by anyone in 40k.

[crystal forum]

do they require a psyker to make them

[storm jungle]

Not all the time

when its something done by a machine the thing you use to make the runes tho can require something psychic.

Ala a psykers ashes, a pen made of a psyker's bones used to enscribe shit, etc

Just any nonsense you can think of

[crystal forum]

are these magic things weak as a rule?

like can a normie human become a powerful wizard just by using them

and what if a null stands around runes? do they lose all their power?

[storm jungle]

You need to be a psyker to use magic

since you are the conduit in which the powers flow through you

[storm jungle]

Depends on how powerful the null and the psyker is

[rose thorn]

We need more Finnish wizards in media

[crystal forum]

so if an alpha+ psyker makes a generic warding rune it'll be super strong?

[storm jungle]

As usual depends on the writer lol

also Alpha+ powers are basically whatever the writer also wants

so sure why not

Theres a reason you barely see them in lore

[crystal forum]

that could lead to some funny scenarios

[spare osprey]

Btw while you’re in chat and lore talk seems to the most fitting place to ask. If I wanted to go off about a homebrew where should one do that.

[storm jungle]

👀

Homebrew is prob better for here ye

[spare osprey]

Generic. Means it can ward off against anything, even non aligned warp spirits

[crystal forum]

like a demon laughing at a priest's temple and suddenly he's yelling in pain because a strong psyker made a small rune on it

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ted-lasso-thank-you-appreciate-appreciate-you-gif-26374881

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

this is the cool guy lore area where we don't yell at you for making stuff up 😎

[spare osprey]

Very very nice

[crystal forum]

btw did you guys hear about the return of ferrus manus

any day now

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-fo-sho-steve-carrell-40year-old-virgin-forty-year-old-gif-4999689

Then Konrad shall ride down on a Pegasus

[storm jungle]

Lmao stop

[spare osprey]

Btw, I upsettingly looked more into that knight pilot inquisitor of 2 ordos

Jesus Christ

I mean Jesus Christ

https://tenor.com/view/garbage-kevin-office-bad-like-eating-garbage-gif-12724953

[storm jungle]

Yeah shes bad.

The guy is also into skaven mechanicus so

[spare osprey]

And a necron pariah who enjoys it

Certainly

Interesting

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats Inkary's OC which is a bit more believable.

[spare osprey]

Tiny bit but still. Wild stuff

[storm jungle]

mostly since her Pariah is basically the treasury guard, aka an overglorified diplomat and accountant lol

[spare osprey]

Ye

[storm jungle]

Thats better compared to like... you know

💀

[spare osprey]

I saw some shit though man

Don’t know why the dinosaurs had to be brought into it

But it was FOUL

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Yeah that commission was more or less Baron (the commissioner) going for shock value.

but it just ends up being "why tho"

[spare osprey]

Seriously

[storm jungle]

Yep but whatever i guess 💀

[green loom]

Let us discuss the Fallen

[spare osprey]

That poor wraith knight man

[spare osprey]

Hell yeah

[crimson kayak]

You mean AoS Ikit Claw

[storm jungle]

no literally mechanicus skaven

[green loom]

Twitter people are very strange

I'm watching two big groups, one unironically calling itself "Chudhammer" tear each other apart over..... Some female heads on generic models

[crimson kayak]

Ye, it was joke seeing as aos Ikit claw is basically mechanicus skaven

He even made skaven skitarii

[storm jungle]

Yeah I hate it lol

[green loom]

Those aren't Skaven

[crimson kayak]

Tbh the first one is more or less how I imagine the cogwork storm vermin

[green loom]

These are far too clean

And where's all the warpstone?

The deranged, evil heads?

[storm jungle]

Idk ask the furry

[green loom]

I don't like calling things closet furry bait but this is closet furry bait

[storm jungle]

Oh no it is

[spare osprey]

Not to interrupt the wonders of mechrats, I’ll probably just copy and paste some paragraphs I had in another convo to explain the lads but here’s the big boys I’ve gotten. From top to bottom Tyr, Elia, Hywel, Malcolm, Carlaen and Marwolaeth (shared here before obviously)

[crimson kayak]

I'll only accept it if they use the keys of hel on his skull and arm and it proceeds to create a completely numb and lifeless mechanical corpse of ferrus

You know, like the first time they tried making a puppet with his hand lol

[spare osprey]

Starting with Týr, he's a terran-born veteran of the unification wars, single oldest marine of my fallen group, born in what would be Scandinavia today to a techno barbarian king. eventually he left his father and brother as a boy and found his way into the first successful group of the Angels of Death, alongside the likes of say Marduk Sedras and Merir Astelan. problem with those early batches though were faulty indoctrination and mental blocks, so Týr here doesn't have the best protections against PTSD and mental breakdowns. Feel no fear they told him. So i mean being his age he's had a pretty good list of battles, all 3 rangdan xenocides, siege of cthonia, buncha others. Eventually he started to doubt the lion's intentions, he knew he wasn't a traitor but felt he wasn't doing what was best for humanity and the legion. leading him to gather up with other such like minded fellas within his chapter. and now where that's led him, 10,000 years past the era he knew, hunted by his kin, all he really wants is to go home. Which i mean he doesn’t even know if terra is still around.

[crimson kayak]

Wich now that I think about it, the keys of hel are basically the human version of necron biotransference

[spare osprey]

He’s a big downer

Missing a portion of your cranium does that

[crimson kayak]

Who's the second one?

[spare osprey]

Elia

Which I mean Carlaen, Marwolaeth and Elia can all probably fit together.

Haven’t written too much for em

[crimson kayak]

Guessing she's not a fem marine what's her role within a band of fallen?

Or he's just very feminine looking?

[spare osprey]

She trains their neophytes and new recruits

She’s a false astartes

Same sorta thing as Luther

Former knight of caliban and such

[crimson kayak]

Uh, neat

Honestly forgot Luther didn't fully become an astartes

[spare osprey]

she underwent the whole process so she could continue to serve the Lion and the Legion, like her younger brother Gwydion would be. he himself becoming a fully fledged astartes. the whole time jump thing fucked her up more than him, she having only recently popped up in M37, coming back to see her not so younger brother as a company captain instead of the battle brother she left him as. and that's the underdeveloped gang

In the form of them 2

Think I have a single thing of gwydion somewhere

Yup here he is. Just from a goofy comic

[crimson kayak]

Btw funny how everyone is serious looking and then this mf is having the time of his life

[spare osprey]

Hahahah

Yup yup

Was a deliberate thing just to show the sheer difference in demeanor and character that boy is

Which he’s actually the Warband leader

[queen laurel]

When you're looking for something to fight and you just happened to spot a giant carnifex

[spare osprey]

Would 100% be something he’d do.

Him or Gelert (he’s a bit obsessed with hunting nids)

[queen laurel]

Lmao at least i got that right

[spare osprey]

Way I put it I think is, first in, last to leave any engagement

Dude would do crazy shit before letting his men die under his banner

[queen laurel]

"Boss we are being overwhelmed by the ork horde"

"Give me the microphone i will taunt their leader to challenge me into a fist fight"

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/punch-beat-up-pogger-gif-22865694

Man’s an Ironwing Warmonger Consul, gotta be versed in every weapon.

And boy those hands definitely count

[spare osprey]

Then I mean the other 2, Carlaen is a dreadwing company champion, 2nd in command to Knight Captain Sherman. during thramas at the battle of Yaelis, he would lose his arm to a night lord's chainglaive. in return the night lord would lose his life, Carlaen taking the chainglaive as a little bonus. up next is Marwolaeth, he's a former company ancient, same company as Carlaen. thing to note about my lads ancients is they don't carry banners, they keep tomes/book full of songs and stories to inspire their brothers. after a good amount of years in service Marwolaeth would find himself needing to be placed within the sarcophagus of a Levithan dreadnought. fun thing about that hulk of a dreadnought is it drives you insane, so while he's not the oldest of my dread, he certainly the most far gone. despite the mild case of insanity, he still finds himself capable of playing the pipe organ built into his chassis, continuing to inspire his brothers.

Carlaen is a pretty important dude to me cause he’s based off a friend of mine over in wales, fucker’s helped me a lot with this warband, just thought it was a nice thing to get him.

And yeah that’s really of those folks

Hopin to get more in the future but lore is a big thing I’m working atm. Cause what good are characters if they’re a literal blank page

This is probably the best place to read up on em, but even this has a couple errors I need to go back over and just so much missing stuff I need to add

https://wh40khomebrew.fandom.com/wiki/The_Watchers_of_Anarchy

Helps without having to write a literal essay in chats

I try not to make em read boring or seem like just a character dick sucking. So any feed back on literally anything would be super appreciated

[crystal forum]

i can attest to you that this is not in fact furry bait

[spare osprey]

Oh crap almost forgot Malcolm

Dudes a pysker

And he’s pissed most of the time

That’s

Really him summed up

Took me a sec but found the OG concept of him (blue) and a few other fellas

Ormias, Wʉtukai, Malcolm and Montag

All with varying degrees of lore

[nocturne crest]

So a part from the big four, emperor and the remaining eldar gods, is there any other beings on the same scale as them?

In terms of power and or influencing reality.

[spare osprey]

Vash and Belakor are the closest to that sorta groups

Though even they aren’t to that extreme

Some t sons do some wild shit but that’s more a planet by planet basis. Lotta time shenanigans with them

[nocturne crest]

Wait, is Malice still canon?

Malaysia isn't, but Malice was the 40k replacement of them, so...

[spare osprey]

Nah

[nocturne crest]

*Malal.

[queen laurel]

He is but he is so forgotten that there is no point in remembering him

His current status is plot device

[nocturne crest]

Ah.

[queen laurel]

The one that's not canon is malal

[spare osprey]

Honestly wondering how the sons of malice are doin

Probably chilling

[queen laurel]

Of course it's the white guy that blew up malaysia

[green loom]

So,
Malal and Malice.

Malal is not in 40k, and they're not even in WHFantasy anymore. They were the unique intellectual property of an author who left Black Library and took his IP with him. Malal was replaced by Necoho and another god whos name I forget cuz they're irrelevant.

Malice is a minor warp entity in the 40k universe. They're not aligned with any of the 4, which is the case for a LOT of unrelated warp entities. The warp is absolutely chock full of shit that doesn't care about The Great Game.

Malice, however, is a very minor player, even within the sphere of non-aligned entities. He, in current canon, has been summoned into realspace. Which is not something that can happen to any entity akin to the gods, and even summoning greater daemons is super hard unless the veil between realspace and the warp is basically already shredded.

Malice's only followers are the Sons of Malice, who are once-loyal successors to the blood angels who got ran out of the imperium because they were falsely accused of chaos stuff. This drove them to say "Fuck everyone. We're gonna retake our homeworld no matter who gets in our way. Fuck chaos, fuck the imperium, and especially fuck xenos.

They have 1 book and a novella that contains functionally every iota of actual canon lore that exists about Malice, and almost none of it has anything to do with the "community headcanon" about the God.

I literally have a copy pasta prepared for whenever this is brought up

[spare osprey]

Mr.Black did what he had to do

[queen laurel]

That's the sad part he is so minor you may as well forget about him

[queen laurel]

Mr black is probably a wanted criminal

[spare osprey]

Oh 100%

[tough haven]

I’m probably going to be executed for this, but is it possible that the primarchs are more or less “Daemons” of the emperor since he’s essentially a warp entity?

[celest dome]

More like Daemon Princes than Daemons

[tough haven]

Well yeah, obviously powerful/high ranking ones

But if daemons are fragments of a warp entities being or will, I feel like that applies here

[queen laurel]

Living saint belong in that category as well i think

As for basic demons it would be the legion of the damned

I guess the living saints would be like the greater demons

[celest dome]

Well Living Saint are really akin to Daemon Prince (To note that Daemon >< Demon), Primarch are more like greatly blessed Chaos Servants

[queen laurel]

Yes, and legion of the damned based on their explanation of their characteristics would be the basic demons like a blood letters or daemonette

[celest dome]

LotD would be one of the lesser Daemon of the emperor true, not the onl one if memory isn't cheating me

[queen laurel]

onl?

[celest dome]

only

[queen laurel]

Ah thanks

[nocturne crest]

So what is the herald of the emperor then?

[celest dome]

Primarch i guess

No

Named SM

Primarch being Greater Daemon

Then again, some characters are fitting in it's their uses as Heralds, like Lord Solar Macharius ||May his soul be safe||

[spare osprey]

Depends on if it’s ever expanded on. Cause they don’t really draw on his power as their own, more an inbuilt thing

[tough haven]

True

[spring cairn]

every chaos traitors ever : fuck chaos

turns to chaos

[crimson kayak]

One cool detail is that Malice can actually take form in the materium

Ench why it's most probably a demi-God/Greater undivided daemon a la vashtoor

[green loom]

They're not full warp beings

But

It's weird

[crimson kayak]

Also yeah, primarchs have some warp stuff, but it's like saying an alpha level Psyker is a daemon

If you are looking for chaos marine daemons you have the Warp Ghosts that are literally time traveling skin walkers

[crimson kayak]

And also a literal warband of horror villains seeing how they operate

[tough haven]

I started thinking about that when I was thinking more about corvax in the warp taking a new form, but I guess that’s written off as “exposure to the warp” or whatever

[storm jungle]

yeah its just warp exposure

he isnt an avatar

It stems from the fact that the creation of the Primarchs included a pint of warp sorcery

so it resides within them

[tough haven]

Just a lil sorcery

[celest dome]

Ye, all of them are made with a hefty dose of Warp stuff

[crystal forum]

I guess that explains why we don't see primarchs from the age of technology

if they were made purely with archaetech then it would be weird that humanity didn't decide to upgrade themselves during the age of anything goes

[crimson kayak]

Ye staying in the warp too long always mutates you somehow, unless you are mf kaldor draigo off course.

For example Corax got the raven form, Warp Ghosts became skinwalkers, a Craftworld became all ghastly and weird looking, Fire Hawks became the legion of the damned ecc...

[celest dome]

Skinwalker ?

Also aren't the LotD something that happened before they went to the warp

[crystal forum]

why aren't veteran kriegers included in the new kill team season

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

also kroot got a killteam but not tau lmao

[rose thorn]

It’s just an update to the killteams from the fuckin what ever they called it era

The rules from the previous year will still be usable

[crystal forum]

gallowdark

[rose thorn]

Yeah

We are moving onto uhhhh

The crusade version of killteam era next right(

I forgot what it was called

[crystal forum]

idk

i barely know anything

[rose thorn]

The only rules that would be removed is that from the ‘oh fuck they don’t have rules’ compendium

[crystal forum]

it's weird seeing kasrkin in places like a space hulk

[celest dome]

Didn't they come at the end of the previous one ? With the orks ?

[tough haven]

80% imperium content goes hard

[crystal forum]

i barely know anything

i just know that veteran guardsmen are a thing and they're not on the wh community news post

this art goes hard

militarum equipment is so inconsistent

krieg look like they're from the great war and some regiments look like they're still stuck in the napoleonic era

[storm jungle]

Spoilers

thats the point

[crystal forum]

meanwhile kasrkin on that pic look like they just came out of a tour of afghanistan

[storm jungle]

Its for flavor damn it

[crystal forum]

i find it cool

it's funny though

it's like writers can't find enough variety in modern militaries so they have to use entirely different eras to make their OC's unique

[storm jungle]

you can basically have mongolian horse-riders fight space elves on green goblin skateboards

Also its not really that

Modern military just doesnt fit 40k and looks weird

Its why Primaris are so glaring wih their tacticool nonsense

[crystal forum]

kasrkin look modern as hell

[storm jungle]

They really dont

its literally the old models but updated

[crystal forum]

they have night vision and vox earpieces or whatever

[storm jungle]

The lasgun just has more little details now

otherwise its not really modern

[crystal forum]

i think they look less WW2 than the rest of cadian guard

Cadia itself being a mish mash of WW2 allies equipment

[storm jungle]

Late but theres a difference between This and This

[crystal forum]

what's the difference

[storm jungle]

One is literally 21st century gear

one is a box with binoculars

[crystal forum]

the one on the left looks like it's from the 80's to 90's

[storm jungle]

I mean yes

its not modern

hence point

[crystal forum]

that's pretty modern to me

drones were being used back then

the mass adoption of night vision technology for the average grunt is a big mark of the modern soldier

[storm jungle]

Yeah but its still not modern

its a box with cylinders

theres a reason 40k goes for something like this more lol

same with how the Dorn tank literally has an exposed back-gunner

[crystal forum]

as an aside i want to get nerdy here and point out that the big lamp there is an infrared light that's invisible to the naked eye but is picked up by the goggles. first generation night vision didn't amplify light so you had to create your own source

it's basically a flashlight that's only visible to you

cold war night vision technology used very expensive lenses that have holes in them at an angle so that light would bounce in them in a specific way that multiplied photons in a process i dont understand. it quite literally amplified the light

more modern technology also uses electronic photoreceptors to amplify light so you get a much clearer image that's also sharper due to less noise from defects in a lens

[celest dome]

It's not modern only to us young lings, Janitor is old

[crystal forum]

we might disagree on whether they would be considered modern or not but kasrkin definitely don't have WW2 era technology

[green loom]

Since when are lasgun WW2 era technology

[crystal forum]

you know what actually

im beginning to think cadian aesthetic is more early cold war than WW2

[celest dome]

Cold War ain't exactly modern in therm of American military (For Russian it's debatable)

[crystal forum]

i don't think debating over the word modern will get anywhere

it's a term so dependent on the era of the time it's applied that the word postmodern had to be invented because some assholes in the 60's had to claim it

anyways the reason i say cadia seems like early cold war is because of the lasguns

select fire chunky guns are a big part of that era

they still used bulky radio backpacks back then too so vox guys make sense

and body armour for the average grunt started early to mid cold war

the rogal dorn tank also seems inspired by early cold war. tanks back then still looked like they could have fought in WW2 but for a time they were very chunky

at least for americans and soviets

god i love soviet tank wiki pages

wikipedia only uses those links when the lists are so long they won't even fit in the boxes

1891-present

i wouldn't be surprised if some terran guard regiment uses mosins

[storm jungle]

Cadians dont really have an aesthetic

they were very much just influenced by early 2000 A.D trooper guy with a mix of Starship Troopers.

Nowadays they are just updated more to be a bit more U.S Military in some ways since Green Army Men is a thing

Though they are very much less blunt in inspiration than the other Guard regiments who are entirely inspired by movies or IRL armies thats for sure.

[crystal forum]

i guess so. they do seem overly generic

which is why i dislike them

[arctic talon]

The new killteam season is only for the Gallowdark teams

Is literally the answer why

if you want the DKOK rules buy the killteam annual

or the Killteam octarius books

[crimson kayak]

Eh, depends where you look at for legion

[crimson kayak]

Ye, warp ghosts have to switch bodies every once in a while as the ones they have tend to rot/disintegrate slowly while in the warp

[celest dome]

Wait did Skinwalker do that in mythos ?

I though they were a name for the Native American goat thingy

[arctic talon]

Idk I’m not big on mythology aside from Chinese and Greek lol

[arctic talon]

Skinwalkers are different from wendigos

Depending on the region

Skin walkers are evil witches who can steal other peoples forms or turn into animals

[celest dome]

I also hardly follow the mythos of other places

I hardly follow my local one

[arctic talon]

Wendigo are just a straight up super natural being that eats human flesh iirc

[crystal forum]

my culture's mythos are inspired by a lot of indigenous beliefs

[celest dome]

What's your culture ?

[crystal forum]

french canadian

[celest dome]

Mine mostly has Dwarfs, Ghouls, and then divine and malefic animals

[crystal forum]

i was surprised to learn that bigfoot is a real character in some indigenous cultures

[celest dome]

Also a Giant whose hand is really important for the northerners

[crystal forum]

you should see inuit mythology

crazy as hell

but yeah a problem a lot of people seem to have is they view indigenous mythology as one single thing

it's like believing america is a single culture represented by a new yorker

[celest dome]

Oh yeah the various cultures/tribe can possibly considered to be different mythos on their own

[nocturne crest]

Has there ever been a steam tank mentioned in 40k?

[gloomy citrus]

The Tangar Woad Raiders...

[crystal forum]

oh hey the fire drakes were in my last soul drinker book

[arctic talon]

No

if you want steam tanks fantasy

Though in some ways a nuclear reactor is a steam engine

[crimson kayak]

Wendigo are people who go too much into being a cannibal basically

[spare osprey]

Neat sorta creature in the stories of my mothers tribe. A sorta owl ogre, acts a bit like Krampus, takes children in their bags who wander off.

Found that out after I made an owl “man” animal for my fallen’s planet. Was a nice coincidence

[spare osprey]

piamupitsi̠ is the name

[arctic talon]

That’s very intresting

[spare osprey]

Story is they got kicked up to the moon by a baby buffalo

That’s what all the craters and “faces” are

[crimson kayak]

Now that I think about it excluding roman mythos we got two dragons and the cockatrice

[crystal forum]

doesn't italy have a ton of catholic myths

[crimson kayak]

I mean, all three I mentioned are from catholic era myths

But I don't know any specific non generic Christian myths

[crystal forum]

doesn't rome have gargoyle myths from all the statues

[green loom]

If anything it'd be from the priests

[nocturne crest]

This might be a silly question, but can space marines jump like regular humans or do they require their jump packs

[placid crown]

Terminators probably can't jump

[queen laurel]

Space marines can jump if i recall

[placid crown]

They can defintely jump in regular power armor

And probably a superhuman jump too

but in terminator armor? Probably just a typical 2~ft jump like any base human

[green loom]

It's less they can't jump and more they have to consider if what they're about to jump on can take their landing

[queen laurel]

Why do you think i purposely land on that poor cultist when i play bolt gun

They are nothing more than filth under my boot

[winter vessel]

I forgot, was there a story how, either a dreadnought or a terminator, got stuck in the mud, and due to the weight, they had to be pulled out with a crane?

[crisp heath]

Yes

‘Wait!’ yelled Telemenus, but his warning came too late. The audio pick-ups brought the sound of splintering woods and crumbling ferrocrete followed by an almighty crash.

Daellon cursed without pause over the vox.

‘Report,’ barked Arbalan.

‘Brother Daellon misjudged the load bearing of some internal stairs, brother-sergeant,’ said Telemenus, trying not to laugh. For once he was glad somebody else was attracting the negative scrutiny. There was a chuckle from Cadmael and a sigh from Arbalan.

‘Daellon, can you climb out?’ asked the sergeant.

‘Negative, a three metre drop at least. The floor will not hold my weight to pull myself up.’

‘No threats detected,’ Telemenus added, his auspex sensors encompassing the long row of huts.

‘Understood,’ said Arbalan. He sounded impatient. ‘Daellon, remain in place, I will signal for an armoury extraction team. Telemenus, rejoin the squad.```

From Master of Sanctity

It's always the Dark Angels who do this ridiculous silly shit

It was also a Dark Angel who had to deliver a baby and just could not comprehend the idea of child

‘What is it?’ Allix asked.

‘I thought that was obvious.’ Rephial looked at the Vostroyan in the same way he had regarded the child. ‘It’s a baby.’

‘I think the Guardsman meant what gender is the child?’```

Space Marine athletics are genuinely hilarious though. Like it's physically impossible for a human to run that fast, because even though they might pick up their foot superhumanly fast a human speed is limited by the fact that legs are pulled down by gravity when they run, limiting their speed to terminal leg velocity.

So space marines in games and shows move much slower than they do in text, because whenever it's accurately portrayed (like in Arma III Only War mods) its the most ridiculous x4 speed loony tunes shit

[green loom]

The funniest thing is how he shuffles it to Ezekiel "You check it!" Like he's too weirded out to even answer lmao

[winter vessel]

Oh that’s hilarious. The last time I read something in 40k that made me laugh was when Sanguinius threw some fruit at Horus in in the ‘Rising’ book when they were discussing about the Interex.

But yeah, the D.As, despite their edginess and paranoia, sometimes find themselves in wacky situations. So visualizing an Apothecary holding a baby with one of his hand is funny.

[celest cedar]

ong I thought I was reading some server rules I havent aware off

[storm jungle]

LMAO

may as well be tbh

[spare osprey]

Love that whole section

Ezekiel holds the kid and sees her entire life

It’s awesome

[heavy bison]

I really liked the portrayal of the space marine running at full tilt in Astartes.

[crystal forum]

demon engine lore https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/15/exemplary-battles-of-the-horus-heresy-daemon-engines-arrive-to-reap-a-bloody-toll/

wait the leviathan dread was created by the emp himself?

[arctic talon]

It was made on terra so I guess this is an expansion of that

[celest dome]

As was the Bolter

Do take everything attributed to the Emp with a grain of salt

[arctic talon]

The bolter wasn’t invented by Jimmy space tbf

We know that bcs techno barbarians had them

[queen laurel]

Speaking of techno barbarians, are there modern day equivalents in 40k

[arctic talon]

Usually just lost colonies and warlords

That hate the imperium

Usually the imperium tends to uh do the thing

[crimson kayak]

Imperium, pull the lever!

[arctic talon]

The genocideinator 9000

[queen laurel]

"Prank'em John"

"You already know"

Mass genocide commences

[crystal forum]

*y'all ready know

[queen laurel]

It's just one guy talking to another person

But i appreciate the correction

[crystal forum]

I saw a 40k tabletop video yesterday where a pinned commenter was calling american english a degenerated version of proper english

[crystal forum]

im joking haha

the only grammar mistake i care about is "then" and "than" being used incorrectly

[queen laurel]

The only time i corrected someone is when they get something wrong about warhammer

[crystal forum]

i thought you'd make an ork language joke

[queen laurel]

I'm stupid not Smart

When i realized the opportunity the opportunity already passed

[crystal forum]

actually what's up with the ork language? do they speak really bad english or is their language not even comprehensible to humans in 40k

[queen laurel]

Their words are brutal and straight to the point that it appears crude to us

While a lot of languages are you know fancy

Orks don't need it to be fancy to work

But they do speak clearer the bigger they are

[crystal forum]

but is it an actual language or bad english like how they speak from their perspective

[queen laurel]

It seems to be a very botched version of gothic

They take you know pieces of other language that they like and make it orky

Especially low gothic

[crystal forum]

then why don't guardsmen and space marine understand them

this soul drinker book says their language is mostly insults lol

[queen laurel]

They do but pretty sure 90% of the time it's insults

Pink skin

Beakiez

[crystal forum]

man how can a species be so terrifying yet so funny

[queen laurel]

It's just the way they are,

But going back with the language, you can learn it because you know it's basically jumbled up together words is specially the most prominent one being low gothic

But what's the point you're never going to use it unless absolutely motherfuckingly necessary

The tau diplomats that tried to use the language got turned into mush

[crystal forum]

lmao

[queen laurel]

Because of course they tried to talk with orks

[crystal forum]

they sent the weak cast too

worst decision

[queen laurel]

It's the one that handles diplomacy

The water caste but

I'm pretty sure they are often with a group of fire caste

As bodyguards of course

[nocturne crest]

Could a well built bunker survive an extreminatus?

[arctic talon]

Depends on the type

A cyclonic torpedo no

Virus bombardment sure

[nocturne crest]

Isn't virus bombardment barred by the Imperium?

[celest dome]

No ?

[arctic talon]

No

Why would it

[nocturne crest]

Wasn't there something about inquisitors coming to the conclusion that virus bombardment empowered Nurgle?

[arctic talon]

It’s not recommended

But it’s not banned

Cyclonic torpedos are also just easier to use

[nocturne crest]

Ah.

[arctic talon]

Virus bombs you need to ignite them afterwards

[crystal forum]

many space marines survived the virus bombing of istvan III by hiding in the bunkers built by the planet's civilisation

one of the most pivotal moments of the early heresy

some also survived by hiding deep underground

[crystal forum]

i doubt it. just because it has the word virus in it doesn't mean it's something nurgle would enjoy. The plague god is all about long term suffering, he would not create a pathogen that immediately kills its host because it goes against the process. He's the god of decay, not the god of death

side note: even the imperator titan on the planet had to completely shut down and seal itself to not fall victim to the virus bomb. It's implied that a dreadnought could survive the virus because the occupant is completely sealed off from the outside world. A space marine though will immediately dissolve

[storm jungle]

there is a legend in the Black Crusade TTRPG books that state that Nurgle once personally intervened to saw a planet of his followers from a Virus bomb exterminatus by swatting the Inquisition’s ship from orbit. The virus still leaked and infected people, but the faithful remained… “healthy” and considered the infection a boon.

[crystal forum]

i'll be honest, that's pretty dumb if true

[storm jungle]

Its really not

40k is build on dumb shit like that, its great

[crystal forum]

it completely nerfs the weapon if anything can survive it

[storm jungle]

Its literally just a specific example on a niche scenario, theres nothing saying this is a absolute setting-encompassing fact.

[crystal forum]

yeah it's ok if it's some sort of legend in the setting

[storm jungle]

Its not really a legend because it happened

but its not a wide-spread thing

[green loom]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/982314648642650202/1041460066685042809/905E16F5-2E53-46A5-A07D-07B16762031F.gif

[crystal forum]

but like, the virus bomb isn't an infection lol. it's literally the 40k equivalent of the classic sci fi "gray goo" apocalypse

honestly should have been called a nano bomb

[storm jungle]

You are thinking way too much about this

its just a random excerpt

[crystal forum]

ok ok but

it's like saying you can survive a bullet by microdosing yourself with lead

there's my joke of the day

[storm jungle]

[spare osprey]

Tbf there’s already one of those

With a wild name I can’t even remember

[storm jungle]

Phosphex?

that was basically nanites

[spare osprey]

Nah that’s the basic stuff

I can find it

Maybe

[crystal forum]

surprising lack of nanite weapons in 40k

guess it doesn't fit the theme of low tech

[storm jungle]

Yeah more or less that.

the Imperium is more industrial brutality than high-tech

[spare osprey]

Ok found it

[spare osprey]

Silica-virae

[crystal forum]

still interesting since pretty much all other classic sci fi weaponry is somewhere

[storm jungle]

Yeah because they aren't really super high on the tech tree.

Theres a reason Necrons and Eldar got the most advanced tech on the setting.

[spare osprey]

Aaaaand course it’s DA only

https://tenor.com/view/leslie-nielsen-well-shit-welp-oops-gif-17437845

[crystal forum]

oh shit you're right necrons have the scarabs those are like nanites in spirit right?

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[crystal forum]

they eat shit

[storm jungle]

What

[crystal forum]

idk

[storm jungle]

Jay are you alright

[crystal forum]

i literally dont know anything about necron except old ones lore

[storm jungle]

bruh

read some lore

like actual lore

💀

[crystal forum]

im way too into knowing every single model of the leman russ ever made

[storm jungle]

But necron tech is basically so advanced that it basically looks like magic to us.

like their crypteks can just touch you and turn you into any material just to kill you

[crystal forum]

irrelevant lore is what i excel at

[storm jungle]

Terrible.

but necron tech is hilariously broken

its why their got the crutch of "Oh they are senile" or "dynasties cant agree and constantly squabble"

otherwise their basic infantry can literally kill tanks

[crystal forum]

do their guns shoot plasma

[storm jungle]

no

its gauss

[crystal forum]

googling rn

[storm jungle]

its their main weapon "ammo" type

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-warhammer-gauss-gif-24598584

green death ray

one shot at you are entirely dead

[crystal forum]

i accidentally wrote gayss

[storm jungle]

its called gauss "flayer" because it de-atomizes you layer by layer until you are dust as seen in the gif

at least its semi-quick

if you get shot in the face

[crystal forum]

is it like eldar stuff where you feel every atom of you expoding

[storm jungle]

Eldar dont use stuff like that

the main eldar ammo type is shurikens

[storm jungle]

you literally get de-atomized

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-watchmen-explode-gif-19226177

So yes

[crystal forum]

oh i know where i heard gauss before

it's a railgun

[spare osprey]

Mfw the Necrons just zip a warp tear closed 👴

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

yeah in 40k's case its just used because it sounds cool

[crystal forum]

are you fucking kidding me

[storm jungle]

I mean

40k does it a lot

are you that surprised

[crystal forum]

they use the name of a real ass scientist and then change it entirely 💀

[storm jungle]

I mean yes

because who gives a fuck

Arkhan Land Moment btw

its the same as how almost nobody knows the word Zeppelin comes from the guy who made em.

after awhile it doesnt matter

[crystal forum]

yeah but if you call your sports car a zeppelin then people will be asking questions soon

[arctic talon]

Gauss weapons aren’t like irl gauss weaponry because fuck you

[storm jungle]

yeah because its already associated with something else

[storm jungle]

that too lol

[arctic talon]

Most necron guns are painless deaths

Except for uh

The destroyers

They have a gun they makes you shit yourself to death

[storm jungle]

It very much depends on where you get shot at

but the pain would last like 1-3s

[crystal forum]

what about shot in the foot

[storm jungle]

you still die

it would just take longer

LMAO

[arctic talon]

You still die

[crystal forum]

what if i saw off my foot before the infection hits me

[storm jungle]

You'd survive

but its too fast

you'd never make it

[arctic talon]

^

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

This is about how fast it is

[crystal forum]

walking dead has taught me nothing

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

And that’s an incomplete hit

[storm jungle]

yeah you can hear the guy scream in the trailer

[arctic talon]

Tbf it’s pretty fast

[storm jungle]

once the gauss breaches the helmet and into his skull thats when he properly dies

but like

[crystal forum]

can armour survive gauss

[arctic talon]

The most painful guns in the setting are nid ones

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[arctic talon]

Usually no

[storm jungle]

Space Marines can tank it

but like

[arctic talon]

But sometimes yes

[storm jungle]

its 2-3 shots

[arctic talon]

Glancing hits == you’ll be fine

[storm jungle]

and necrons travel in packs

[arctic talon]

Direct hit == good fucking luck

There’s a marine in the indomitus trailer who just eats shit

It’s really funny

[storm jungle]

Yeah just takes a gutshot then collapses and fucking dies

[arctic talon]

Nah the other guy

Who got his gun hit

And then gets scarab’d

[storm jungle]

KEK

[arctic talon]

He like stumbles over for a sec

And then scarabs

[crystal forum]

unlike in the levithan trailor where a nid eats automatic cannon to the body and shrugs it off

[storm jungle]

yeah because thats fucking bullets

[arctic talon]

Lol

Yeah assault cannon shots don’t do great against nid warriors

[spare osprey]

Walking dead taught me, if you ever are fighting a group, kill the ginger first.

[arctic talon]

They don’t do super great into marines either

[storm jungle]

But yeah basically

necron tech is OP

every one of their gear is broken

no nerfs required

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/negan-walking-dead-lucille-gif-14604111

[crystal forum]

what happened to that librarian in the leviathan trailor

[storm jungle]

he got his brain melted

[spare osprey]

Pretty pretty dead

[crystal forum]

was he putting on a force field

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[spare osprey]

Failed his save roll

[storm jungle]

no he was mind-fighting the neuro-tyrant

he failed

[arctic talon]

He had a psychic heard up as well

[crystal forum]

like 3 of them lol

[arctic talon]

Nah

Just one

[crystal forum]

oh right

[arctic talon]

The smaller ones were the uh

Thingies

I forgot their name

[crystal forum]

wtf how can nids make psykers

[spare osprey]

The little dudes

[spare osprey]

Just connected to the hive mind and all

[storm jungle]

they are literally the pinnacle of bio-engineering

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

and they consumed psykers in their first foray into the Milky Way

[spare osprey]

They all sorta have a psychic connection

[storm jungle]

so they juts learn and adapt

[arctic talon]

The nids are “perfect”

[crystal forum]

imagine a fleet absorbs an alpha+ psyker

[arctic talon]

They can already make some absurd psychic shit

The big spire Tiamat is guarding

[spare osprey]

Even without em

[arctic talon]

Literally popped a librarians head

The moment he got in the system

[spare osprey]

We got that new fucker

[crystal forum]

is there anything nids are bad at

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

[storm jungle]

you can kill the big leader bugs

makes the smaller nids confused

and act feral

[spare osprey]

Big motherfucker

[storm jungle]

because Nids need a weakness

otherwise they are too OP

and heroic imperials gotta win

[crystal forum]

aren't they shit in naval battles

[storm jungle]

I mean no

[arctic talon]

Sorta

[storm jungle]

they eat your fucking ship

lmao

[arctic talon]

^

[spare osprey]

Tau made a virus against em. Likely immune to it by now

[arctic talon]

Don’t let them get close

Or else you die

[storm jungle]

^

[crystal forum]

i heard the only thing that can properly stop a fleet is a battle in orbit

[storm jungle]

Kinda

Nid fleets are at their "weakest" when they are at the process of consuming a planet after the war is nearly over

once they make planetfall its do or die

[spare osprey]

Honestly let’s just put the orks against the nids more. Even more Octarius Wars

[storm jungle]

Yeah because it went so well the first time

[arctic talon]

The orks only lost bcs ghazkull

Ironically

[spare osprey]

Yeah nothing went wrong

Nothin at all

[crystal forum]

literally just virus bomb all planets simple as

[storm jungle]

they adapt

lmao

[spare osprey]

Late heresy lion moment

[crystal forum]

they can't win if they can't eat

[storm jungle]

I mean

kryptman tried it

he got fired

[spare osprey]

Still trying it

[storm jungle]

you cant bomb every planet they come to

[crystal forum]

DID HE FAIL THOUGH

[storm jungle]

Yes

lmao

[spare osprey]

100%

[crystal forum]

corrupt imperium's fault

[storm jungle]

The lore said it was the biggest imperial-made human atrocity casualty-wise since the horus heresy

which is fucking hilarious

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crystal forum]

i like that they keep a tally of that

[spare osprey]

I’m sure the inquisition knows what it’s doin

[arctic talon]

Kryptmans plan is a failure

Explicitly

[storm jungle]

Kryptman literally went full McArthur

"Drop 35 nukes on the Korean border with China."

yes he actually said this

[arctic talon]

Salted nukes

Not normal ones

[crystal forum]

tangy flavor

[storm jungle]

Basically Kryptman

[spare osprey]

Honestly now that lion’s back

[arctic talon]

Lol

The imperium is still fucked

[spare osprey]

Can’t wait to see him fight the nids

[arctic talon]

[spare osprey]

Oh 100%

[arctic talon]

That’s g-man’s job rn

[crystal forum]

he saw the intro to 40k and decided to outgrimdark everybody

[spare osprey]

I just wanna see King Arthur stab a big bug in the face

[crystal forum]

ultramarines are quickly becoming the nid marines

they go so well together

they share the same personality

[storm jungle]

wow

[nocturne crest]

So expanding on my bunker question, the imperium couldn't just exterminatus the surface of a planet while keeping the Admech or IG on the planet sealed in a vault?

[crystal forum]

what kind of vault

[arctic talon]

Not worth the time

[crystal forum]

this is a very specific type of question

[arctic talon]

When exterminatus is called

It’s usually a planet is lost with no way of getting it back

Hit the button

[nocturne crest]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-vault-door-vault111-vault-tech-video-game-gif-4727814

[arctic talon]

Besides

A few trillion dead is nothing

In the grand scheme of things for the imperium

[crystal forum]

the only time those wusses evacuated something it was to save GW top selling guard models

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

yeah like

[arctic talon]

Most of the named Cadians weren’t even on Cadia

[storm jungle]

im not saying this to be snarky

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

but the Imperium officials dont think like we do

they just see anything as expendable

they are stupid and stalinist POV wise

[arctic talon]

Flesh is a currency to be expended

Something something

[storm jungle]

stalinist as in everyone is just a number

etc etc

[spare osprey]

Wonder how imperial higher ups view space marine chapter worlds. Compared to everything else atleast

[arctic talon]

Baal was considered a lost cause

Lol

And it really was

[crystal forum]

no taxes 😎

[arctic talon]

The blood angels got bailed out by FUCKING KHORNE

[spare osprey]

Well the BA deserved it

[arctic talon]

The blood angels and all their sucessors who showed up would have died

[crystal forum]

imagine being so cool that the government says "you've done enough" and doesn't tax you? that's astartes worlds

[arctic talon]

Without khorne’s intervention

[storm jungle]

well not that

it was mostly the Rift

[arctic talon]

Also most astartes worlds also uh

Suck

[storm jungle]

yeah that too

like

[arctic talon]

Kabandah single handily let all the blood angels on Baal secundus evacuate

[storm jungle]

Astartes recruits dont need to be dragged through hell to be good recruits, thats Marines being incredibly needlessly darwinistic for no reason.

[arctic talon]

With his presence lol

[storm jungle]

Roboute very much says this to Dante

[arctic talon]

Ultramar still pays taxes

Mostly since they do it anyways

[storm jungle]

Ultramar is a realm so

[arctic talon]

Well

[crystal forum]

hey can i pull something out of soul drinker lore that's relevant here

[arctic talon]

The planet maccrage does

Pay taxes

[arctic talon]

The teenage boys except?

[crystal forum]

for a while the new recruits weren't brainwashed during the implant process because they wanted them to remember what made them rebels before astartes

so they kept their personalities before becoming space marines and they still act human

[spare osprey]

Caliban was awesome thank you very much

Such

Great living conditions

[arctic talon]

The fuck are you gona tax it for

Wood?

Man power?

[crystal forum]

blood

[arctic talon]

There’s not much to tax on caliban

[spare osprey]

Idk probably the ore that can survive direct contact with phosphex

[arctic talon]

Especially since the blood was going straight to the dark angels

At the time

[spare osprey]

Or the tree sap that can melt primarch power armor

[crystal forum]

those sick bastards can't keep hoarding all the blood

[storm jungle]

Caliban is literally Turkey

including the patriarch population

who have mustaches and beards

[crystal forum]

it's one word away from something

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wales-cymru-welsh-cymraeg-rugby-gif-16488551

Idk what this is

But it gets the message across

[crystal forum]

oh wait caliban is dark angels

[nocturne crest]

And the Fallen.

[arctic talon]

It also got reassembled into a daemon planet

Thanks vashtor

[storm jungle]

Vashtorr is a gigachad like that

[spare osprey]

Ahhhhhh Wyrmwood

[storm jungle]

get fucked Azrael

[crystal forum]

i thought it was blood angels

baal

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/eddie-murphy-coming-to-america-gif-24011735

[arctic talon]

Baal is a normal ass shithole

Actually

[crystal forum]

they're the ones hording the blood

[arctic talon]

It’s a really really big shithole

[storm jungle]

I cannot believe Vashtorr turned an entire planet into Agent Wyrmwood from Darktide

[arctic talon]

But still

Just a shithole

[storm jungle]

very interesting lore development

[crystal forum]

you sound like you went there before

[storm jungle]

I mean

Caliban is just the middle east

but red

[spare osprey]

Truly is the warhammer 40,000

[arctic talon]

I read the Dante book

He hates Baal

[crystal forum]

what's the best space marine planet

[arctic talon]

Or rather hated it

[crystal forum]

lmao

[spare osprey]

Like how

[arctic talon]

To live on as a normal person?

[crystal forum]

old man hates his own home

[arctic talon]

Mccrage prolly

[crystal forum]

other than ultrastan

[spare osprey]

Yeah Macragge or Chemos were good places.

[arctic talon]

The raven guard one isn’t bad either

It’s just dark as hell

[nocturne crest]

But that means you might see Cato.

[storm jungle]

[spare osprey]

If we’re going like most interesting? I’d say fenris or caliban

Caliban alone could be it’s own story

[nocturne crest]

Fenris is a death world, correct?

[spare osprey]

Yup

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[spare osprey]

Icy death world

[arctic talon]

An engineered one

Probsbly

[crystal forum]

guys i have a small tangent

[arctic talon]

Also Dante almost dies to drinking the water that just kills you

When he was a kid

[crystal forum]

who's the IInd primarch

[spare osprey]

Ah yes

The water that just kills you

[arctic talon]

[spare osprey]

Weird Al

[arctic talon]

It technically sucks out all your moisture

[nocturne crest]

Wait, do the Raven guard have a recruiting world?

[arctic talon]

And makes more of itself

Yes

[spare osprey]

Ya

[arctic talon]

Deliverance

And it’s orbiting forge moon

Which I forgot the name of

[crystal forum]

seriously though

why do we even have lore about them

why does GW tease to something that wont ever exist

[arctic talon]

Writers were bored

And wanted to have fun