#40k-lore-chat

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rigid magnet
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There is another hypothesis that the pariah gene is actually from the old ones, because as the krork and eldar are weapons for the old ones against the necrons, with brutal cunning on the former and psyckana on the other, that a third weapon was made, humanity, whom were made to fight the eldar and krork. After the war was settled, it would be humanities most prominent and loudest trait, BLIND UNWAVERING FAITH AND FANATICISM, to be loyal to the old ones and the pariah gene to completely horrify and nullify the eldar and krork by negating everything that their species can do

storm jungle
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So

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Bad theories basically

rigid magnet
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Dont just dismiss bad theories

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The old ones are known to be COMPLETE AND UTTER FUCK UPS

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THATS WHY THEIR MOMMA DEAD

storm jungle
celest dome
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The Eldar weren't even created by the Old One no ?

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Just uplifted

storm jungle
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Yep

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Also this just reads as Mary Sue human supremacy

rigid magnet
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Do you question our lord and savior matt ward?

storm jungle
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Yes.

celest dome
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I do remember something about some people say that Humanity was present in the War in Havean but I never had sources of that

rigid magnet
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Humanity brought forth the ultramarines, of COURSE humanity is the mary sue!

storm jungle
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Humans werent even bacteria in oceans then

rigid magnet
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On land

queen laurel
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they stopped production because kidnapping is annoying if i recall

storm jungle
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So again no lol

celest dome
rigid magnet
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It was the eocene epoch

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There were mammoths

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As well as human subspecies

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Like the denisovans and neandertals

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And the fucking hobbits

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I dont think any of you realize the scale of time. 60 million years ago was NOT a lot. If it was 6 billion years ago it would be pre sol system time

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Sun is 5 billion yo iirc and earth 2.7 billion

storm jungle
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Humanity didn’t exist

rigid magnet
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There were humans

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Just different kinds.

celest dome
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There were no life on Earth/Terra when the War in heaven happened tposegryn

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over sixty million Terran years before the 41st Millennium.

storm jungle
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^

rigid magnet
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The wiki says 60 million. 60 million years ago was pre ice age

storm jungle
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Stop thinking so deep about this lol

rigid magnet
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Lmao this is lore

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Deep lore

storm jungle
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Not really

celest dome
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Dumb lore

storm jungle
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Its pretty basic

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Also that lol

celest dome
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That even GW doesn't touch upon anymore

storm jungle
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^

celest dome
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Cause it's Dumb

storm jungle
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Any hint to this era is scarce and incredibly general and loose

rigid magnet
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Give me warhammer -60 million

storm jungle
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Because it doesn’t matter

celest dome
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Weren't Humanity just crawling out of their caves when the Aledari Empire was at it summit ?

queen laurel
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war in heaven was made in order give three factions a origin story

rigid magnet
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No it was the middle ages

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And fall was dark age of technology

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10,000-20,000

crimson kayak
celest dome
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The Aeldari Empire was the dominant power of the Milky Way Galaxy in the years after the end of the War in Heaven until the Fall of the Aeldari in the 30th Millennium A.D.
Wat does A.D. mean ?

rigid magnet
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Anno domini

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In the year of our lord

celest dome
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Not Ante something ?

rigid magnet
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Respect the gregorian months who actually figured out the timing of earths orbit

storm jungle
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I’ll pass i think

rigid magnet
storm jungle
celest dome
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In French we use Ante Christum Natum and Post Christum Natum

rigid magnet
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Its anno domini in latin for the gregorian monks

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Anno, annual as in year
Domini, dominion/dominator as Lord

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I went to catholic school

storm jungle
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Yeah thats obvious KEKW_ogryn

celest dome
crimson kayak
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Especially when you consider the capabilities of war in heaven factions in terms of pure bullshit

storm jungle
rigid magnet
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Chaos and daemons didnt truely gain sentience until the middle ages

celest dome
storm jungle
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Chaos had always existed

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They are galactic entities

crimson kayak
celest dome
crimson kayak
celest dome
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As once they are born, they have existed since start of time

crimson kayak
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It was stuff like the enslaver plague that broke the old ones in the end alongside well, the star eating gods

crystal forum
rigid magnet
storm jungle
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That's older lore, newer has the original three created during the War in Heaven, then mostly just taking a nap until the birth of Slaanesh and the Horus Heresy.

queen laurel
rigid magnet
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Its explained as that quote and never elaborated on. Matt ward our lord and savior swore to never elaborate on the always existed, never existed and was birthed at x date

storm jungle
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Thats just Ward

celest dome
storm jungle
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40k has more authors lol

rigid magnet
celest dome
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@storm jungle Nuffle for example is the Jock big brother of the Nerds 4 God of Chaos, who forced them to play his game (Or alternatively the 4 made him play with them by putting its interest in the game)

storm jungle
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There’s a loremaster position in GW and that’s pretty much it

celest dome
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Like even if they have 2 lore that conflict they rarely ever say which is wrong and which isn't

rigid magnet
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They do, but tell nobody what is or isnt

storm jungle
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They dont 💀

crimson kayak
storm jungle
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LMAO

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Yeah im… kinda zoning out of this

celest dome
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We do have an author on the warden...

rigid magnet
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On chapter 11 of cypher

crimson kayak
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Yes... And?

rigid magnet
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Its a roller coaster

queen laurel
crimson kayak
crystal forum
storm jungle
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CANNOT beat that

crimson kayak
storm jungle
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Literally me

rigid magnet
storm jungle
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Quora

rigid magnet
green loom
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Deep lore?

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more like

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Deep Bore

storm jungle
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Okay so like

crimson kayak
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"to ensure coherence and consistency"

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In 40k

storm jungle
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Why do you trust random people on Quora

crimson kayak
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Yeah just no

storm jungle
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^

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This is literally nonsense

rigid magnet
green loom
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More like

queen laurel
green loom
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Bore Ragnarok

storm jungle
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Quora is also literally riddled with elitist imperial stans that got no idea wtf they are talking about half the time

celest dome
storm jungle
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Its basically unmoderated reddit

celest dome
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The Mines are in the Ash wastes and equivalent

green loom
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Me being surprised the Imperial fans may be biased

rigid magnet
crystal forum
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i looked up what the shape of the universe is on quora and i saw the most dismissive and mean spirited answer from a physicist

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"like how dare you ask this question you moron"

celest dome
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It's the most perfect shape

queen laurel
rigid magnet
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Yes to photo

crystal forum
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mind you i still dont know what the shape is. i think somebody explained it as like ants moving on an expanding balloon

celest dome
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The most probable shape is mostly an explosion wave movement (So mostly spherical)

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As it's still a development of the Big bang inside a vaccum

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Unless the Positive/Negative thingy theory

rigid magnet
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We dont know the shape because the edge of space isnt opaque or reflective. And its so far red shifted that far that theres no energy left in the photons to even classify as a wave

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Theoretically a photon with 0Hz

storm jungle
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Its even worse for 40k lore people in there lol

storm jungle
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They are basically fungus tho so

crimson kayak
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All hail the violent fungi

storm jungle
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🍄

celest dome
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DA RED COMIITE IS DA BEST

queen laurel
celest dome
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4 da Red Gobbo

celest dome
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Theses ones

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Make me think that in fantasy they don't usually have gills

queen laurel
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and just to make sure i asked dilara

celest dome
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Yeah, my speciality is more about fantasy

queen laurel
celest dome
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Yeh, I quite like the different sub type of greenskin, mostly the Gobbo and Squig

queen laurel
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which is 1 thing for aos is making the goblins their own thing

celest dome
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Yeah, i quite like the idea of the separated factions, let the different groups grow much more

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And you still get the grand allainces

queen laurel
celest dome
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Yeah, no real gobbo

queen laurel
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turned into a soccer ball, getting crushed, turned into emergency rations

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poor lot

celest dome
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They're more like the Snottlings

queen laurel
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They are so pathetic that even grots bully them around

celest dome
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Same in fantasy KEKW_ogryn

queen laurel
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In warhammer 40k the entire purpose is to literally just help a ork tribe grow and once its they done their part they're just around to be used to have fun

rigid magnet
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Theys small, so dey get bossed around

arctic talon
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Snotlings are also literally too stupid

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To like

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Have an opinion often times

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Grots are smart though

queen laurel
rigid magnet
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Because they too small, the smoller a green boy, the stupider the boy

queen laurel
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The size of a Gundam

rigid magnet
arctic talon
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The most efficient way to use snotlings in a fight is as ammo

crystal forum
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why does it have a pan magazine

arctic talon
celest dome
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It's cute

queen laurel
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It's basically this gun but oversize and designed to carry 120mm rounds

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I don't know the specifics of Gundam guns

crystal forum
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japanese and their damn mechs

rigid magnet
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But its extremely ineffective against luna titanium armor

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It was designed for anti fighter, anti ship shock troops

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Which dont use luna titanium.

coarse pumice
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luna titanium for armour was kind of a new thing at the start of the show

rigid magnet
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After the initial zeon war, following the siege of solomon, luna titanium became more widespread

coarse pumice
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there's more upsized guns but i can't remember which ones

queen laurel
rigid magnet
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Nuclear warhead bazookas

queen laurel
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This one decides to be a barbarian

coarse pumice
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an interesting thing is that the dom and zaku were from two competing companies

queen laurel
rigid magnet
coarse pumice
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the two companies made competing designs, so the Dom and Gyan were by the Zimmad company while Zaku and Gelgoog were made by Zeonic Company

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the Dom and Gyan have a plus shaped cross front slit for the monoeye, while Zaku and Gelgoog just have a horizontal slit

crimson kayak
coarse pumice
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(+ shape rather than x shape cross)

rigid magnet
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A personal favorite of mine is the gogg

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Seawater cooled mobile suit that hits like a train

queen laurel
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Gundam does get pretty wild though, because I'm pretty sure there are mobile suits that grab logic and smash it to the floor

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And even some that apparently can **** with reality

crystal forum
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are pan magazines cool though?

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just makes it look like some sort of WW2 mounted gun

coarse pumice
crystal forum
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eldar are weird

coarse pumice
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this is on an imperial inquisitor

celest dome
celest dome
coarse pumice
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yeah lol

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but it's like the really old shuriken catapults, as the modern ones use normal banana mags

crimson kayak
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With the universal century timeline being the prime example

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And well, Mobile Fighter G Gundam too, but that's basically mecha Mortal kombat so it doesn't really count

queen laurel
crimson kayak
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Nah warframe always was the top of the food chain

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But it also has the pro of being a gazillion years into the future

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It's just that DE can't for the life of them stick to a single storyline without having to bloat it with unnecessary content

arctic talon
crimson kayak
arctic talon
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Lol

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Warframe is just

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Really odd power scaling which is fine

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There’s less grineer and corpus then irl humans potentially

crimson kayak
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Definetly less humans than grineer

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Corpus are human

crimson kayak
arctic talon
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Irl humans don’t really exist

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Corpus live to well over 100

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Everyone’s been genetically messed with to some degree

crimson kayak
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And I find it really fucking funny how all this manages to still be self contained to the solar system

arctic talon
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Lol

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The only way out is wrecked tbf

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The outer terminus Solar rail is gone

crimson kayak
arctic talon
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TRUE

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but hey maybe they’ll be friendlier now(they won’t)

queen laurel
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He's my favorite frame

arctic talon
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So

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That could be a byproduct of the void energy used

crimson kayak
arctic talon
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But whenever rhino stomps in the few cinematics it’s in they crush the surface beneath them

crimson kayak
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It's just less flavored due to constraint of game mechanics, but what you see in game is what happens in lore

arctic talon
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Yeah

queen laurel
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So if a rhino used to iron skin he can survive a barrage from a imperator titan?

arctic talon
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Maybe?

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We dunno

crimson kayak
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Yes

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Theoretically Atleast

arctic talon
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Frames are generally much less durable in lore

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But we haven’t seen iron skin ever

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In lore so that’s up for question on how durable it is

crimson kayak
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You should also consider that what we use are mostly mere copies

arctic talon
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The originals are lost to time tbf

crimson kayak
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Remember Atlas punched a planet-cracker size meteor and turned it into dust

crystal forum
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i thought you guys were talking about 40k because of rhinos for a second and now im just confused

arctic talon
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Also we do know rhino can get absolutely taken out by a swarm of sentients

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I.E new war in the Kahl portion

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But a swarm of sentients can kill pretty much anything

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So meh

crimson kayak
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Tbf anyone can be taken out but what's basically the necrons with tyranid adaptability sped up 100 times

queen laurel
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Jesus christ warframe lore is quite something

arctic talon
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But that’s a pretty big improvement from instantly dying via contact

crimson kayak
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Also now that I think about it warframe Ai's are all kosher for the imperium

arctic talon
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Yeah

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They’re digitized criminals/scientists

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Though Corpus AI might be an issue

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Like the ambulus

crimson kayak
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Corpus ai is basically tau drone ai with the sentient being the men of iron equivalent

arctic talon
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True

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But some are self learning I.E Ambulus and the orb mothers

crimson kayak
arctic talon
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Though the orb mothers used salvaged sentient bits

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So they don’t count

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Yeah Warframe doesn’t bother trying to explain anything with real science

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It’s space fantasy

frosty stag
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Its the void

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Thats the lore answer

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Any wf question is answered with 2 words

arctic talon
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Not necessarily

frosty stag
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“The void”

arctic talon
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Especially for the corpus

frosty stag
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Ok yeah fair

arctic talon
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The only faction that effectively weaponizes it is the tenno

frosty stag
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And orokin

arctic talon
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The grineer have some really rudamentry stuff now with the kuva spears

arctic talon
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Oh the Duviri use void as a weapon

frosty stag
arctic talon
frosty stag
arctic talon
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The new grineer enemy has a weird spear

frosty stag
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I only lvled horse

crimson kayak
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The holy warframe trifecta is:
-I used Sentient stuff
-The Void
-Kuva

arctic talon
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That can sever your connection

storm jungle
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Just do it like Destiny.

"I don't even have time to explain why I don't have time to explain."

Me:

arctic talon
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Is the most simplistic answer

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The drifter formed it somehow

frosty stag
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I think on duviri my intrinsics is lvl 1 everything lvl 10 horse

crimson kayak
arctic talon
frosty stag
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I like wf

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Im taking a break for a bit tho

crimson kayak
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God i hate the Drifter being multiversal stuff

frosty stag
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Cant fully quit tho i gotta max citrin

arctic talon
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Destiny tries using real science to explain things and it usually makes sense funnily enough

arctic talon
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We still don’t have an actual answer

frosty stag
crimson kayak
arctic talon
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It’s always some physics stuff which is cool

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The most weird stuff is strand being literal string theory made manifest

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Along with some weird mental stuff going on that’s not explainable

crimson kayak
arctic talon
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But that marks 2 different types of darkness that alter the users mental state

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If they don’t have proper self control

crimson kayak
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But lorewise I'm still invested as long as it's not Duviri/Drifter related

frosty stag
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I am the best oberon main in all of north amarica

crimson kayak
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did you say Oberon main

frosty stag
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Yes

arctic talon
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Considering it’s literally named after his kavat

frosty stag
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The only way to die with my build is if you use nekros

arctic talon
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Kalymos Sequence

crimson kayak
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I suffered through each and every one of his fucking rework just to then switch to Hydroid lol

arctic talon
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💀

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I do like how the different paracausal elements are easier/harder to use based on the mindset going in

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In destiny

frosty stag
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I have the best build I’ve seen on him

arctic talon
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Phoenix renewal?

frosty stag
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Heals 96 hp/tick phoenix 440 extra armor and i get energy back when i take dmg

frosty stag
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I think before I decided i was gonna take a break i was using nezha and wanted to use citrin

rose thorn
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I’ve eeen so many space marine firstborn lots, there’s a good one i wnana pick up but I’m thinking ill proxy some of them as primaris units or mix them with primaris for a proxy. Any lore issues with that

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I’m going mantis warriors which are an already under numbered chapter lol

crisp heath
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Does anyone know how old whiteshields usually are? I always see them presented as "child soldiers" but all the art of them makes them seem like basically adults. Is it all older teenagers, or is more like in the early 20s young adults?

storm jungle
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Thats because you cant really show child soldiers in your toy soldier game.

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But they are basically 15 to 20 year olds, Cadians get taught to disassemble lasguns before they even walk as per lore.

crisp heath
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Well if you don't want to draw child soldiers don't put child soldiers in your setting??

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Cowards

storm jungle
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I mean Nazi Romans

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so it fits the bill

coarse pumice
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Being on Cadia ages you

nocturne crest
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And differences in Oxygen probably play a part as well.

arctic talon
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There's a quote from the 8e cadia suplement

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one moment

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"Children you call them? They can pull a trigger just as well as veterans, and they have the spirit of a bull narthax. Call them children if you wish - I call them troops. Good troops."

echo vault
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I know 99% of IG lore is spaceship troopers but that is the most blunt reference I could think of

arctic talon
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Lol

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Yeah

crystal forum
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wait loken is coming back 😳

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im actually hyped holy shit

nocturne crest
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What is everyone's least favourite faction/subfaction?

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And why?

arctic talon
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they add nothing to the setting right now

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in fact they take away from it

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they need more lore now

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least favorite subfaction excluding the dwarves

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Craftworld Alaitoc, they don't fill any niche the other craftworlds don't they just retread the same beats as Beil'tan being an uber restrictive highly regimented craftworld

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except Beil'tan is more intresting because they're uber racist

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and they're a military junta

nocturne crest
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I can understand your point about the LoV.

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Maybe they need to be involved with a campaign or something.

arctic talon
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They need more lore

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they just need more background

nocturne crest
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Yeah definitely.

queen laurel
# nocturne crest What is everyone's least favourite faction/subfaction?

Least favorite faction is dark eldar, i guess they are not my cup of tea

Least favorite ork sub faction would be the Goffz, don't get me wrong i love orks but Goffz are extremely basic, their entire lore is they're basically just bigger than most orks and prefer bludgeoning people in melee with large infantry hordes

desert dust
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Yeah but that's kinda like cadians.
They are just guardsmen but better

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I would say my least favourite is slannesh csm or khorn csm since they kinda just lose all interesting character traits the moment they fall.

arctic talon
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Goffz are just Black Orks™️

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but 40kified

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and less 'ard

queen laurel
arctic talon
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Yeah

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They're literally Black Orks

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I really wish they'd get more traits other being the Biggest and the Ardest orks

queen laurel
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They are bigger than everyone else and they think they are better

arctic talon
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yeah

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but maybe they'll get something more intresting

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I just dislike the general X but better subfactions

desert dust
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Actually ozas from the nightlords was pretty great for a khornite

arctic talon
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Goffs like almost fall into that

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but they don't like shooting so

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or going super fast

queen laurel
arctic talon
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Yeah

queen laurel
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And he's a pretty good character at least

arctic talon
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Ghaz is very intresting

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and is like

desert dust
arctic talon
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Not the basic Goff stereotype

arctic talon
queen laurel
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He has devastating tactics

arctic talon
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Yeah Ghaz is pretty kunnin

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Anyone he couldn't beat to death he outsmarted

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anyone he couldn't outsmart he beat to death

queen laurel
arctic talon
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yeah

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a trait a lot of Orks don't have

queen laurel
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When his fighting something that he can't chew or head butt

queen laurel
arctic talon
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He's kunnin

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also as awful as dawn of war 3's campaign was

queen laurel
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Motherfucker had escapes ready

arctic talon
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its fucking hilarious

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Gorgutz was still the real winner

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he got what he wanted

queen laurel
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You the real winner

crystal forum
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new information learned from soul drinkers: slaanesh demon aura smells like musk

arctic talon
crystal forum
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no, the smell of a human body

arctic talon
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oh

crystal forum
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have you never smelled a fellow man? smh

arctic talon
crystal forum
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also i got my first ever space marine models

queen laurel
crystal forum
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do you not fantasize about boy smell

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what kind of world do i live in

queen laurel
crystal forum
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smh

arctic talon
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have fun with em

crystal forum
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i will make them ultramarines because that's the only paint i have

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i wonder if the name ultramarine comes after the colour or after the words "beyond the sea"

nocturne crest
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Should Gorgutz be a named character for the orks on the tabletop?

arctic talon
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Yes

queen laurel
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Beside ghaz

arctic talon
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Orks don't have a Evil Sunz character

queen laurel
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You really don't care for the other characters

arctic talon
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iirc

queen laurel
arctic talon
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Evil Sunz don't need to ride vehicles tbf

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they just need to like going fast

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and imo his dawn of war 3 Claw thingy def achives that go fast vibe

queen laurel
arctic talon
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even tho he's like

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not in Evil Sunz color in DOW3

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for some reason

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(its because the blood ravens are red)

queen laurel
arctic talon
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He is

wicked vector
queen laurel
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You know the one he joined to

arctic talon
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He's meant to follow the color of Gitstompas army

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but Orks usually keep their clan colors

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even when part of other armies

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he looks great everywhere but the actual game....

queen laurel
# arctic talon but Orks usually keep their clan colors

I think it's to show loyalty even though he is definitely planning to back stab him, i do miss his left hand gun but his me dawn of war 3 design is not bad i actually quite like it, i mean he uses a power klaw that can double as a grappling hook and a flail

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But in terms of voice acting

arctic talon
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we do not talk about it

queen laurel
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Original dawn of war gorguts can never be topped

arctic talon
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yeah the left hand gun was cool

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but imo thats bcs they didn't want him

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to copy old Ghaz's mini

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Imo they still should have given him a gun on the other arm

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but like not a shoota

queen laurel
arctic talon
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like a Rokkit launcha maybe

queen laurel
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Shoota and klaw

arctic talon
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or something bigger

queen laurel
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Is the most reliable combo in the war boss world

arctic talon
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Snazz gun

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he's a Evil Sunz

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he should have a Snazz gun on his other arm

queen laurel
arctic talon
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yeah

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the voice acting was great in the original

queen laurel
arctic talon
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Yeah

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that voice is

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rough

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on the throat

queen laurel
# arctic talon **rough**

he was trying his best, and i don't blame him for that if you got surgery on your throat it is bound to affect your voice

arctic talon
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yeah for sure

queen laurel
#

He was great

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And to this day is the voice of Gorgutz head hunta

echo vault
#

The orks were the best part about dow 3

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Second place the eldar, I like how it continues on from retribution with the plot about taldeer and rohnahn

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Third place gorgutz calling rohnahn Ronny

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Last place the humans they're so boring except Diomedes ready to split the inquisitor in half and Jonah not being dead (I like that), Angelos is ok but the rest is boring. The twist was eh, just boring. Gameplay stinky tho

frosty stag
#

Are the cult of mars accidentally following the chaos demidaemon

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The forge master or some shit

green loom
#

Nah

frosty stag
#

Ok cool

echo vault
#

Void dragon

celest dome
#

Has a big shard on Mars

echo vault
#

I'm surprised WFH or 40k hasn't done an equivalent of wall guns which were obscenely huge muskets mounted on walls as turrets essentially, I think maybe crane gunners for Cathay are the closest equivalent. It's ironic that besides the bolter there isn't an insane amount of physical (not energy or explosive) munitions that can pulp someone in heavy armor with shrapnel from a round as big as a monster energy can

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There's only the bolter and the ogryn shotgun that's about it

#

And yes bolter rounds detonate on impact I'm just saying through traditional gun/musket methods

wooden ridge
#

Is the Imperium the only main faction that was corrupted by the chaos?

Why don't other races have chaos worshippers?

green loom
#

Chaos worshipping eldar are either dead or eaten by Slaanesh

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Chaos isn't that enticing for Tau

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Chaos orks are unorky, and thus hunted down

celest dome
#

It's kinda a confirmation bias, even in Fantasy most of the servant of Chaos were human, except Skaven for the GHR

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Cause human were the main point of view and protagonist

shadow plover
#

chaos orks and gsc were a thing but it was a long time ago, rogue trader and second edition

wooden ridge
#

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me

At least, Eldars. They hate Slaanesh, right? Why do none of them worship Nurgle or Khorne, since the enemy of my enemy is my friend?

queen laurel
shadow plover
#

it's more so an annoying neighbor of my enemy rather than enemy of my enemy

#

nurgle orks were pretty common too

queen laurel
#

Because willingly making them join your side is very very hard, hell the only reason why khorne gas storm Boyz is because those orks didn't grow enough to know gork and mork

queen laurel
shadow plover
#

can't recall

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I just know I've seen plenty of them

queen laurel
coarse pumice
#

Dark Elves used to be more chaos elves, but that kind of changed

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The old witch elves had a Khorne logo on their hats

storm jungle
#

all because they kept ripping off the Melniboneans from Moorcock too lol

dense glen
storm jungle
dense glen
#

Slaanesh was birthed by the Eldar via literal turbo-fuckery.

#

The Dark Eldar kinda swirl around this by going "sure you can have our souls", then throwing Slaanesh a non-Eldar soul instead.

storm jungle
#

Kinda but no

#

they just fill a bucket with a hole at the bottom

dense glen
#

My Dark Eldar lore is rusty tbh

storm jungle
#

banned

dense glen
#

Pft.

storm jungle
#

but yeah basically saying "Why not just join any other chaos god to escape from Slaanesh" is a awful idea

dense glen
#

By the Omnissiah of course.

crimson kayak
#

But more in general it's the fact that most aliens aren't as ignorant as us on chaos knowledge

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For example the Ethereals know full well of the dangers of Chaos and thus suppress the knowledge, kinda like how humanity did during the Emperor's days and the Cult of the Imperial Truth

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As after all we have seen that even with their extremely dim souls, they can still be both corrupted (Arthas Moloc situation) and get interested by warp entities

acoustic rock
#

Give the Tau 10k years in the wider galaxy and they'll be treating the greater good like some godly and divine will

crimson kayak
acoustic rock
#

yeah I know lol

#

That was funny

queen laurel
#

They are not any better than slaanesh

crimson kayak
storm jungle
#

^

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I was trying not to be that blunt but yeah LMAO

dense glen
#

Khorne isn't purely rage. Khorne is about Martial Honour as well

storm jungle
#

Nope he isn't.

dense glen
#

Which is why Blood Pact is so nasty

acoustic rock
#

Why go to McDonalds when you can go to Burger King

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

Thats old warhammer fantasy Slaves to Darkness lore people always re-tell as fact, its entirely from a witch hunter interrogating a chaos cultist and hes more or less entirely telling lies by saying chaos gods have "good" aspects

dense glen
#

Did I say they wouldn't still kill?

storm jungle
#

Khorne only wants murder and bloodshed.

#

Honor doesn't have much to do with it.

crimson kayak
#

He doesn't like Honor, he dislikes backstabbery

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Wich is different somehow trust me

queen laurel
crimson kayak
#

Khorne is the kind of guy who would even commend you for swinging at him, but you have to be sure you are doing it from the front if you don't wanna pull a skarbrand

queen laurel
#

He just really wants to reduce you to nothing more than a killing machine

#

He will not stop corrupting you until you become the very pinnacle of fury and savagery

crimson kayak
storm jungle
#

"I DEMAND YOU JOIN YOUR FORCES TO MINE"

acoustic rock
#

What do Khorne guys do when there arent any people around to kill?
I can't even imagine them laying down to nap, or sit to eat

storm jungle
#

They just fight each other

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they are literally braindead pitbulls

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lmao

queen laurel
crimson kayak
#

It's basically just a Big red Waaagh without everything that keeps an ork society together

queen laurel
#

They literally become more savage the more time they spend in chilling

#

Like me waiting for a game to download with my slow internet

storm jungle
#

theres a bit of camaraderie but these guys are also completely insane.

#

Orks in comparison are entirely lucid.

acoustic rock
#

"Its your day off today Heretic, what do you want to do?"
"TAKE ME TO THE FRONT LINES OF DESTRUCTION"

queen laurel
# storm jungle Orks in comparison are entirely lucid.

At least ork will find ways to improve their fighting ways, a shoota boy might have won enough teeth from fights to buy a big shoota, tankbustaz can get better rocket launchers, you can watch someone participate in the face eating contests or turn the nearest grot into a soccer ball

storm jungle
#

Pretty much lmao

queen laurel
#

Khorne on the other hand

#

You are literally nothing more than a bumbling that only functions in combat

acoustic rock
#

Sounds like the Death Company

dense glen
#

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Khorne

Lists martial honour as part of his Portfolio

Warhammer 40k Wiki

"Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!" — Khornate Warcry Khorne, also called the "Blood God," the "Lord of Skulls," the "Lord of Rage," the "Lord of Blood," "Taker of Skulls," and...

storm jungle
#

40k wiki

acoustic rock
#

I honestly kinda don't like the Black Rage. I think it's silly. It should just be the Red Thirst.
I get where it came from and all that but it could have easily not been a thing.

nocturne crest
#

Pretty sure any Khornate society will turn in on itself once there are no nearby enemies.

queen laurel
#

Was there ever a time where the chaos gods did something positive without any negative setbacks at all

dense glen
#

Not sure.

acoustic rock
#

When I think of Khornate society I think of the pyramid scene in Apocalypto lol, so yeah crumbling

crimson kayak
green loom
#

Khorne isn't the god of honor

#

Hes the god of Blood

queen laurel
crimson kayak
#

Only good thing to do with the Fandom one is searching for first to third edition content without having to reach for the nearest pdf

crimson kayak
#

Same as how star child and sensei are still a thing and just forgotten

queen laurel
#

So it's safe to assume that gills are just forgotten

crimson kayak
#

Yeah sadly there's not much to do off for alien physiology except those old Liber Xenologis books

green loom
#

Fandom be like:
Cites 20 warcom articles

#

Cites unrelated fantasy book

#

Cites 30 year old white dwarf short story(written by an Employee's 10 year old)

acoustic rock
queen laurel
green loom
#

Because Lexi actually looks into and cites sources

#

Fandom usually is just copy pastes

crimson kayak
#

Only time I found the Fandom wiki useful was when I was searching for more info on Hylgar Hellraisers as they were last mentioned on 3rd editioj

green loom
#

And fandom just dumps everything that mentions xyz into the article

crimson kayak
#

But even then they couldn't even transcript the whole thing about them

storm jungle
#

you can literally read the entire book from the wiki

green loom
#

Now that the daily "Chaos gods not actually good" lecture is over, have possum

#

That was not a possum

#

There we go

wooden ridge
green loom
#

They don't

#

Their followers can have their own twisted beliefs

#

But the gods are deceptively one dimensional

dense glen
#

Says you Kharn.

#

When did you get rid of your commissar's hat anyway?

nocturne crest
#

Tbh, the only chaos being that deserves worship is Vashtor.

wooden ridge
nocturne crest
#

Vashtorr is a demi-god of inventors, engineers, scientists, and artisans.

green loom
#

With a chaos twist

#

So

#

You can imagine smarf

nocturne crest
#

Good point.

wooden ridge
#

I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of his worshippers are chaos mechanicum

acoustic rock
#

happens all the time to lesser gods

#

If a minor god is eating the food one of the chaos gods eats, which is most of the "food" in the warp, then they will eventually become food for said chaos god

green loom
#

He owns the soulforge, so he's basically an untouchable weapon master to them smarf

nocturne crest
#

Doesn't vashtorr owns the.... Yeah

storm jungle
#

Vashtorr is just a respectable businessman

shadow plover
#

I've still not read the Arks of Omen books

green loom
#

Chaos Tropico

shadow plover
#

reading physical books is HARD

acoustic rock
#

why?

shadow plover
#

how am I supposed to find the time to sit down to read and do nothing else

green loom
#

Reading is for nerds

#

I much rather copy dilara's opinions

shadow plover
#

audio books are the way

green loom
queen laurel
acoustic rock
#

I used to read on the train when I took the train, and a bit before bed

#

it's nice

shadow plover
#

plus concentrating on rows upon rows of text is hard

shadow plover
acoustic rock
#

how much reading u do on da internet bruh?

queen laurel
acoustic rock
#

u reading right now mo'fukka

shadow plover
acoustic rock
shadow plover
acoustic rock
#

you can use a bookmark and slide it down to keep your line, that's what I do

green loom
#

E-reading

shadow plover
#

yeah but again reading a book requires all of your focus, can't paint, walk or do anything whilst reading

queen laurel
#

I can't imagine an ork fighting a gaunt when i'm listening to the hu wolf totem

acoustic rock
#

All I know is that you should cherish books

queen laurel
green loom
#

I attend the weekly book burning ritual

#

I'm a true imperium fan

shadow plover
#

books are cool yeah

#

but they're difficult

acoustic rock
queen laurel
#

Also my brain is a amoeba

#

The limitations of my brain prevents me from enjoying books

#

Trust me i've tried to read novels and stories

acoustic rock
#

but book make brain get bigger loregryn

queen laurel
#

I just don't like it,
if you enjoy it good for you though

queen laurel
acoustic rock
#

I havent read a book for years

#

I do audiobooks now too

#

my brain is also mushy and soft where it once was springy and firm

acoustic rock
#

Since the black rage is a predominately psykic phenomenon (genetically imprinted psykic memory), would the presence of blanks or a null field quell the effects of the rage enough so the marine could take hold of himself again?
Even if only temporarily

storm jungle
#

Damn thats a good question

#

but im gonna say unless you got like 10 blanks around you probably not?

#

Like its psychic and genetic, one or the other is gonna activate it

acoustic rock
#

But the genetic component is only the imprinting right? Its the psychic memories that drive the marine into a furious blind rage

shadow plover
#

I'd wager it would have an effect on the raging dude but not a lasting one probably

acoustic rock
#

But still reasonable to say it would have a "positive" effect on his "mental state" right?

shadow plover
#

wonder if certain blank will encounter such situation in an upcoming book now that you said it

#

could be

acoustic rock
#

What about a Null Rod like witchhunters use?
Reckon if you bonked a Death Company marine on the head with one it would give him a moment of clarity?
(serious question)

#

"A Null Rod is a type of Power weapon used by members of the Ordo Malleus's Daemonhunters. These obsidian rods constantly crackle with anti-psychic power which nullifies the powers of the Warp. However, this device also prevents the wielders themselves from making use of any psychic power."

#

Lore masters? Opinion havers?

storm jungle
#

Honestly, no

#

like... its still a small stick

#

a Marine is a brick-wall with a brain

acoustic rock
#

What if you surgically implanted a null rod into their head.
Y'know "apply directly to affected area" kinda thing

#

lol

#

I feel like this is a serious possible plothole that need examination

#

there's no instances of black rage affected marines interacting with psykic nullifying powers/effects to my knowledge

storm jungle
#

Yeah there isnt

#

but beats me

acoustic rock
#

I wonder how powerful the psykic memories are. I mean obviously they're powerful, but they're not so powerful they explode your head as even the most modest psyker is able to do, and if a null rod can work on them...?
But maybe I'm measuring the power/potency of the black rage improperly

storm jungle
#

its very much "Idk plot"

acoustic rock
#

I bet if I made a fucking fanfiction about a Chapter of BA descendent marines who successfully treated the Black Rage with "Null Hoods" or something people would have things to say about it lol

green loom
#

Well

#

You're mashing them into someone's brain

#

And people don't exactly enjoy being around blanks/null fields much

#

That's assuming their heads don't just

#

Explode

#

They may also just get

#

Burnt mentally

#

Like how the Pariah nexus reduces humans to mindless husks

acoustic rock
#

I mean, you can turn them into emotional shadows of themselves, or have them as raving suicidal lunatics. I guess it depends on what's more useful

#

Apparently null rods need to have their captured psykic energy bled off or they can overload and cause a warp rift , so they are sufficiently powerful psykic suppressors, and as mentioned a built in failsafe for overload or feedback. If anything that energy bleed can be weaponised with force weaponry or something of the like

nocturne crest
#

Do you think the Imperial guard would benefit if they had access to drop pods?

shadow plover
#

they're not really built to survive the harsh landing

acoustic rock
#

Didnt forgeworld have grav drop units?
They would jump out and their jump packs were like grav cushions or something

shadow plover
#

elysians

acoustic rock
#

but that's not really pods

#

yeah those guys

#

Shame the Imperium never recovered the STCs the UNSC used to make their ODST pods

queen laurel
#

Aren't they basically just paratroopers

acoustic rock
#

I guess?

nocturne crest
#

The Elysians, I think, got consigned to legends.

#

Yeah, forgeworld discontinued them 3 years ago.

fleet light
#

The Harakoni Warhawks do apparently drop from orbit, but they also just use grav-chutes

green loom
#

Most imperial drop infantry use grav chutes

nocturne crest
#

Anything similar to the Deathstorm Drop Pod for the IG?

fleet light
#

Tarantula Sentries can be dropped from orbit

wooden ridge
crimson kayak
fleet light
#

Yeah just make more Valkyries and big dropships, they're all just falling boxes

crimson kayak
#

Also yeah Grav-chutes are more a fancy parachute than a jetpack anyway

nocturne crest
#

After the Imperium, does anyone think there is another faction that will have a civil war?

acoustic rock
#

Tau

fleet light
#

I think factions that don't have civil wars are in the minority lol

arctic talon
#

Dark eldar are in one right now

#

Orks(this is status quo)

nocturne crest
#

Also, just had a thought, but aren't the t'au already in a civil war with the Farsight Enclaves?

arctic talon
#

Nor is it an active one

nocturne crest
#

So they're letting each other exist then.

arctic talon
#

Yeah

#

The Drukhari are actively killing each other en mass rn

celest dome
#

More than usual ?

arctic talon
#

Kabal’s and Wych cults are actively challenging vects rule

#

And also the ynnari being a thing

#

Throws yet another element into said civil war

#

The sides are, hate vect hate ynnari, hate vect like ynnari, ynnari, like vect, like vect hate ynnari

#

And all the haemonculi hate the ynnari

crystal forum
#

typical elf infighting

storm jungle
#

meanwhile most peaceful human infighting:

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

Lmao

nocturne crest
#

The best way of life. Even the Diggas agree.

#

Which will be in a kill team boxset in the future.

crystal forum
#

i am majorly pissed that majorkill has a typo in his title

#

book nerds have no excuse

storm jungle
#

Hate.

#

also man Major legit puts out filler content like a bakery

crystal forum
#

yeah

#

there's two extremes of the 40k youtuber content spectrum

#

majorkill which is learning nothing new

#

and 40k theories which is barely understanding any video because it's all super obscure lore

storm jungle
#

Yeah Major covers interesting topics but its very much just short enough 10m vids to get ad revenue and nothing else.

near wasp
#

I kinda fell off of watching majorkill cause its just not entertaining anymore. I listen to weshammer and an ai channel that uses david attenbourghs voices to narrate 40k lore

storm jungle
#

^

#

I was a big Majorkill fan unfortunately but I dropped off for the same reasons, I think literally the only Warhammer channel I follow is Pancreas

nocturne crest
crystal forum
#

luetin is who introduced me to 40k

#

in 2018

#

his videos are kinda rambly though

storm jungle
#

Yeah this

#

I literally can only watch Luetin if i have it on as background noise

#

but goddamn he loves the sound of his own voice

#

hes explaining quantum physics in a 40k lore video about the Warp

near wasp
storm jungle
#

Same but hes a very new channel

near wasp
#

New?

#

I wouldnt call 2 years new imo

crystal forum
storm jungle
#

Lmao yeah because his audience are fanboys

#

I could barely sit through his tau video lol

crystal forum
#

his introductory videos from way back are A+ tier though

#

like i can't even explain what it felt like to listen to 2 hours of horus heresy lore knowing nothing about 40k

storm jungle
#

damn simp

#

banning you

crystal forum
#

getting my 10 alts

storm jungle
#

But yeah old Luetin was deffo something else

#

I also missed it when he didnt ruin his badass intro/quote section with a stupid paint studio advertisement lmao

crystal forum
#

lol

storm jungle
#

But hey at least its not adeptus ridiculous

#

HEY GUYS

#

GO BUY OUR MERCH

#

DID YOU SEE THE SMUT ON OUR PATREON?

#

Yes. We did.

crystal forum
#

40k theories using the same art for years

#

i wonder why

frosty stag
#

Who tf is that

storm jungle
#

Lmao

crystal forum
frosty stag
#

Damn

storm jungle
#

Honestly i like him for that

#

hes Niche

crystal forum
#

like "remember that one character in this book that's mentioned once? let's talk about them"

frosty stag
#

I gotta learn how to read fr

storm jungle
#

yooo same

frosty stag
#

Im only half joking

#

Im very dyslexic and it makes it hard to read 👍

crystal forum
#

damn

#

great thumbnail

frosty stag
#

Theres too much i cant tell what it is

crystal forum
#

white substance

frosty stag
#

Ah cool

storm jungle
#

ITS SNOW

frosty stag
#

Thank you mod for keeping this server family friendly

storm jungle
crystal forum
#

lasgun recoil

#

lasgun recoil cadia stands

frosty stag
#

I want that one t’au gun

crystal forum
#

hold on

#

cadia stands

frosty stag
#

Wtf is going on

wooden ridge
frosty stag
#

Glad you know which one im talking about

storm jungle
frosty stag
#

Ah ok

crystal forum
#

holy shit a lab has non denatured 95% ethyl alcohol

#

im drinking this

celest dome
#

Bolter to Kokoro is such a good 40k artist

nocturne crest
#

I feel so bad after posting that.

celest dome
#

Why so

nocturne crest
#

Sad gif.

crimson kayak
#

Btw just saying, but we got confirmation that after 30 we are clear for being auric equivalents

storm jungle
#

I couldn't see that much past the complaint avalanche again

#

that fills my 1/1 quota of going into general-chat once a month

crimson kayak
#

Tbh i find it a very good update

#

Flash Maelstrom missions, wallet merge and bearable locks, all very welcome changes

storm jungle
nocturne crest
#

Anyone got a space marine chapter that they wish got a new book focused on them?

storm jungle
#

Man hell no

#

we got enough filler as it is KEK

crystal forum
#

i didn't even see anything worth complaining about

storm jungle
#

I mean yeah the game is kinda dying and anything fatshark does good or bad is gonna be met with negativity.

winter vessel
#

Yeah, I’m contemplating to hibernate until Space Marine 2 is released.

nocturne crest
#

I wonder which space marine chapter will turn up as a cameo?

acoustic rock
#

🙏 Blood Ravens again

winter vessel
#

I'm hoping we get to have more cosmetic options for different chapter colors we can wear just like in the first game.

queen laurel
#

I prefer channels that way that put effort on their videos even though they come out slow it's fun to watch

#

Unlike other channels that pump out so much content but it's so f****** boring you just lost interest

storm jungle
queen laurel
storm jungle
#

lmfao all good

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

Yeah he produces numerous niche videos which might or might not interest you compared to encompassing bigger general introductory topics like most lore channels

queen laurel
#

The lore channel i used to watch the most but his content is quite old and he does multiple sci-fi and even history at times, grimdark narrator, he's the one who made the warhammer 40k girlfriends video i showed you

#

His voice is a bit monotone or lifeless

storm jungle
#

oh man i remember watching him

#

stopped watching him for also exactly the same reason lmao

acoustic rock
#

I like Baldemort

crystal forum
#

i gotta say pancreasnowork is probably one of the funniest channel names i've ever seen

#

i dont know anything about him but im assuming he's diabetic

desert dust
#

I feel like I kinda out grew 40k youtube.
Use to listen to arch but he turned his channel got real annoying after he couldn't get to the point

#

Only listen to major kill because they are shot and kinda funny some times

crystal forum
#

i prefer discussing lore with people now that i have a firm grasp of the universe

#

and videos just spoil books for me

#

i have the horus heresy to read

acoustic rock
#

I used to know so much more about 40k lore than I do now. I don't know how I forgot so much, I just know that I can't remember shit like I used to lol

#

I almost completely forgot about 40k for a few years and I think my brain tried to delete all the info to free up space

crystal forum
#

i learn slowly about stuff so i can process it all into my long term memory

#

i can recall a stupid amount of stuff long term but short term i can't even remember what I'm eating. while im eating

desert dust
#

I'm kinda the opposite I don't really care about what happens so much as I want interesting or fun stuff to happen to character that are well written

#

Like kingmaker was great was a fun ride the whole time and ended happy enough for 40k

#

Dark imperium was forgettable since only Matthew and gman were compelling characters.

#

Like I don't need to know about how bad NG smells

storm jungle
#

no cheap grimdark ending

#

its just a fun violent adventure

#

Like innocent people get killed and shit sure but its kinda funny and written in a Tarantino-esque way where you just dont really care

desert dust
#

Actually you ever read dune?

storm jungle
#

Yes.

#

Biggest mistake of my life

#

I didnt read it while high on shrooms

#

the way it was MEANT to be read

desert dust
#

It's older than 40k but it's way more interesting if you like the more political talks

storm jungle
#

Oh fucking absolutely

#

its actually a living world

#

and not

#

you know

#

a sellout corporate setting with space marines

#

just uhhh

#

ignore Mr Herbert's weird sexual descriptions

crystal forum
desert dust
#

I'm 2 books in but rereading book 2

storm jungle
#

Yeah the first books are great

#

its literally a "wojak point" parade of "Wow 40k stole so much of this shit"

desert dust
#

I heard it goes bat shit but I haven't spoiled my self yet

storm jungle
#

Lmao it goes INSANE

#

its hilarious

crystal forum
#

i saw a summary video of the stories

storm jungle
#

Alt-Shift-X has some good ones

crystal forum
#

dune really created every sci fi trope

storm jungle
#

Yep

#

Dune is the grandfather of sci-fi

#

like how LOTR is the grandfather of fantasy

#

they are the OGs

crystal forum
#

nah different

#

LOTR created fantasy

storm jungle
#

Also true

crystal forum
#

sci fi existed way before dune

storm jungle
#

yeah but it still effected it immensely

crystal forum
#

oh yeah?

storm jungle
#

YE

crystal forum
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well my gun says otherwise GunShake

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desert dust
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I just like how you can have a battle way more intense than a lot the bolter porn from 40k.
But that battle is just the dukes concubine talking to the family doctor.

storm jungle
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Lmao yeah its so well written

desert dust
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Shits wild

storm jungle
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I love reading about Baron Harkonnen

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one moment hes politicking

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the other

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"Anyway find me another boy to-"

desert dust
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And a few feasts

storm jungle
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We do love our fat overlord

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honestly i gotta commend how unapologetically disgusting the Harkonnens in the book are lol

crystal forum
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shit has more questionable allegories than starship troopers

storm jungle
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meanwhile Paul's dad is like "Anyway be prepared to liquidize the populace"

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  • drugs
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  • sex
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no in-between

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also worms i guess

crystal forum
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yeah i have the first book with me and i need to fucking read

desert dust
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Was gonna say it's more than that but tbh with the bene g breeding program it kinda is

storm jungle
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highly recommend it, its a fun time

storm jungle
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i was like you once

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"No there is more substance-"

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herbert mentions breeding for the 204940th time

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"OK I GET IT"

desert dust
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Like the second book they discuss if they should breed him and his sister

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