There is another hypothesis that the pariah gene is actually from the old ones, because as the krork and eldar are weapons for the old ones against the necrons, with brutal cunning on the former and psyckana on the other, that a third weapon was made, humanity, whom were made to fight the eldar and krork. After the war was settled, it would be humanities most prominent and loudest trait, BLIND UNWAVERING FAITH AND FANATICISM, to be loyal to the old ones and the pariah gene to completely horrify and nullify the eldar and krork by negating everything that their species can do
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Dont just dismiss bad theories
The old ones are known to be COMPLETE AND UTTER FUCK UPS
THATS WHY THEIR MOMMA DEAD

Do you question our lord and savior matt ward?
Yes.
I do remember something about some people say that Humanity was present in the War in Havean but I never had sources of that
Humanity brought forth the ultramarines, of COURSE humanity is the mary sue!
Oh fuck no
Humans werent even bacteria in oceans then

False, 10 million years ago there was life
On land
they stopped production because kidnapping is annoying if i recall
And the War in Heaven is more ancient than that
So again no lol
Just that blind faith is more due to the current system than anything else
60 million
It was the eocene epoch
There were mammoths
As well as human subspecies
Like the denisovans and neandertals
And the fucking hobbits
I dont think any of you realize the scale of time. 60 million years ago was NOT a lot. If it was 6 billion years ago it would be pre sol system time
Sun is 5 billion yo iirc and earth 2.7 billion
There were no life on Earth/Terra when the War in heaven happened 
over sixty million Terran years before the 41st Millennium.
^
The wiki says 60 million. 60 million years ago was pre ice age
Stop thinking so deep about this lol
Not really
Dumb lore
That even GW doesn't touch upon anymore
^
Cause it's Dumb
Any hint to this era is scarce and incredibly general and loose
Give me warhammer -60 million
Because it doesn’t matter
Weren't Humanity just crawling out of their caves when the Aledari Empire was at it summit ?
war in heaven was made in order give three factions a origin story
Now the main problem with this is that the war in heaven was everyone vs C'tan and necrons not a free for all
The Aeldari Empire was the dominant power of the Milky Way Galaxy in the years after the end of the War in Heaven until the Fall of the Aeldari in the 30th Millennium A.D.
Wat does A.D. mean ?
Not Ante something ?
Respect the gregorian months who actually figured out the timing of earths orbit
I’ll pass i think
AM is ante meridian
Google probably explains it better
In French we use Ante Christum Natum and Post Christum Natum
Its anno domini in latin for the gregorian monks
Anno, annual as in year
Domini, dominion/dominator as Lord
I went to catholic school
Yeah thats obvious 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_natural_history
Looking at this, we would have the War in Heaven before humanity no ?
This timeline of natural history summarizes significant geological and biological events from the formation of the Earth to the arrival of modern humans. Times are listed in millions of years, or megaanni (Ma).
Also there's no point in making the pariah/blank gene so rare if it was to be a desperate last way to fight back against the warp spawns they unleashed by creating the Eldar and similar psychic races
Especially when you consider the capabilities of war in heaven factions in terms of pure bullshit
And yeah pretty much, in the large picture humanity doesn’t matter
Chaos and daemons didnt truely gain sentience until the middle ages
Even more when Humanity has more potential toward Psykers than Blankness
Thats old lore
Chaos had always existed
They are galactic entities
Warp spawns were a thing in the war in heaven post Eldar creation
Even in that case it's more of when we were aware of them than birth
Non aligned
Doesn't matter
As once they are born, they have existed since start of time
It was stuff like the enslaver plague that broke the old ones in the end alongside well, the star eating gods
i just read a passage about an ork using archeotech to beat the shit out of guardsmen and it reminds me of this https://youtu.be/Q6ctb-Pb3lc
Season 3: 50a- Wet Painters
Come discuss Spongebob here: http://nintendoland.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5276
Well yes, but also no
That's older lore, newer has the original three created during the War in Heaven, then mostly just taking a nap until the birth of Slaanesh and the Horus Heresy.
give an ork a club and he will flatten you with that
Its explained as that quote and never elaborated on. Matt ward our lord and savior swore to never elaborate on the always existed, never existed and was birthed at x date
Thats just Ward
I still are in the theory of the Great Game, and the Chaos Gods are all from a separate universe that just invade worlds/setting for their game (Each setting being a new Great game)
40k has more authors lol
The authors have annual meetings to decide what is canon and what is imperial propaganda
@storm jungle Nuffle for example is the Jock big brother of the Nerds 4 God of Chaos, who forced them to play his game (Or alternatively the 4 made him play with them by putting its interest in the game)
But we don't know what is
They don’t but alright
There’s a loremaster position in GW and that’s pretty much it
Like even if they have 2 lore that conflict they rarely ever say which is wrong and which isn't
They do, but tell nobody what is or isnt
They dont 💀
What you mean he clearly knows by being part of the office furniture
We do have an author on the warden...
Yes... And?
Its a roller coaster
this is basically my brain killing this entire conversation because i'm lost with it
Oh ok I thought you were somehow gonna connect it with the super secret lore meetings lol
i raise you chapter ten of this soul drinkers book
CANNOT beat that
Totally me fr fr
Damn i shoulda continued on deathwatch omnibus page 600
Okay so like
Why do you trust random people on Quora
Yeah just no
Thats every mining hive city
More like
unless they solve a very specific inconvenience i have i do not trust them
Quora is also literally riddled with elitist imperial stans that got no idea wtf they are talking about half the time
Hive cities don't mine inside themselves
Its basically unmoderated reddit
The Mines are in the Ash wastes and equivalent
Me being surprised the Imperial fans may be biased
They create the ash wastes first
i looked up what the shape of the universe is on quora and i saw the most dismissive and mean spirited answer from a physicist
"like how dare you ask this question you moron"
It's duck shaped
It's the most perfect shape
oh yeah dilara is it still canon that orks have gills and and do photosynthesis?
Yes to photo
mind you i still dont know what the shape is. i think somebody explained it as like ants moving on an expanding balloon
The most probable shape is mostly an explosion wave movement (So mostly spherical)
As it's still a development of the Big bang inside a vaccum
Unless the Positive/Negative thingy theory
We dont know the shape because the edge of space isnt opaque or reflective. And its so far red shifted that far that theres no energy left in the photons to even classify as a wave
Theoretically a photon with 0Hz
Quora in a nutshell
Its even worse for 40k lore people in there lol
Gills no but they do photosynthesis
They are basically fungus tho so
All hail the violent fungi
🍄
DA RED COMIITE IS DA BEST
so right now they are basically fungi animal hybrids that, can live off the sun, with a body structure that allows them to be resistent to pain, be physically strong and easily recover from damage?
4 da Red Gobbo
Irrc in fantasy they don't do that plant stuff
And I think one of the Greenskin subtype has gills
Theses ones
Make me think that in fantasy they don't usually have gills
i was reading the lexicanum for warhammer 40K ork physiology, it said that orks have gills around their body it seems to be not a thing anymore
and just to make sure i asked dilara
Yeah, my speciality is more about fantasy
water goblins are neat tho
Yeh, I quite like the different sub type of greenskin, mostly the Gobbo and Squig
and goblins are their own factions in there
which is 1 thing for aos is making the goblins their own thing
Yeah, i quite like the idea of the separated factions, let the different groups grow much more
And you still get the grand allainces
here in 40k grots miserable lives
Yeah, no real gobbo
They're more like the Snottlings
oh snotlings in 40k are even worse
They are so pathetic that even grots bully them around
Same in fantasy 
At least in fantasy they can have a sudden brain wave activity and build a cavalry ram
In warhammer 40k the entire purpose is to literally just help a ork tribe grow and once its they done their part they're just around to be used to have fun
Snotlings know their place genetically.
Theys small, so dey get bossed around
Snotlings are also literally too stupid
To like
Have an opinion often times
Grots are smart though
wtf is that gun
i know, I relate to that
Because they too small, the smoller a green boy, the stupider the boy
Its a standard zaku II armamemt
The most efficient way to use snotlings in a fight is as ammo
why does it have a pan magazine

It's basically this gun but oversize and designed to carry 120mm rounds
I don't know the specifics of Gundam guns
japanese and their damn mechs
Rule of cool. Its a 120mm machine gun.
But its extremely ineffective against luna titanium armor
It was designed for anti fighter, anti ship shock troops
Which dont use luna titanium.
luna titanium for armour was kind of a new thing at the start of the show
After the initial zeon war, following the siege of solomon, luna titanium became more widespread
there's more upsized guns but i can't remember which ones
One thing I like about the zaku frame though is it's very versatile
Nuclear warhead bazookas
This one decides to be a barbarian
So is the dom.
an interesting thing is that the dom and zaku were from two competing companies
really?
They both exhibit design similarities so I just thought they were produced by the same company
The zaku 2 was succeeded by the dom and dom trooper which then was succeeded by the zaku 3 in double zeta
the two companies made competing designs, so the Dom and Gyan were by the Zimmad company while Zaku and Gelgoog were made by Zeonic Company
the Dom and Gyan have a plus shaped cross front slit for the monoeye, while Zaku and Gelgoog just have a horizontal slit
For the same reason cultists use belt-fed pistols
(+ shape rather than x shape cross)
A personal favorite of mine is the gogg
Seawater cooled mobile suit that hits like a train
Gundam does get pretty wild though, because I'm pretty sure there are mobile suits that grab logic and smash it to the floor
And even some that apparently can **** with reality
are pan magazines cool though?
just makes it look like some sort of WW2 mounted gun
eldar are weird
this is on an imperial inquisitor
That's what make it cool
Isn't it still an Eldae weapon though?
yeah lol
but it's like the really old shuriken catapults, as the modern ones use normal banana mags
Basically the more a story goes long the more the power escalation becomes bullshit
With the universal century timeline being the prime example
And well, Mobile Fighter G Gundam too, but that's basically mecha Mortal kombat so it doesn't really count
That's literally what happened to warframe right
Nah warframe always was the top of the food chain
But it also has the pro of being a gazillion years into the future
It's just that DE can't for the life of them stick to a single storyline without having to bloat it with unnecessary content
gauss blowing through a mile long complex of concrete bunkers 
Any archwing frame being able to single handedly destroy capital ships
Lol
Warframe is just
Really odd power scaling which is fine
There’s less grineer and corpus then irl humans potentially
It's just that they follow that particular hyper-capitalistic cult
Irl humans don’t really exist
Corpus live to well over 100
Everyone’s been genetically messed with to some degree
And I find it really fucking funny how all this manages to still be self contained to the solar system
And also you know, the gazillion sentient murder bots waiting for you at Tau
How Strong is rhino lore wise by the way
He's my favorite frame
I mean they manage to stomp so hard they distort time
So
That could be a byproduct of the void energy used
Most of the time gameplay and lore are not that stretched
But whenever rhino stomps in the few cinematics it’s in they crush the surface beneath them
It's just less flavored due to constraint of game mechanics, but what you see in game is what happens in lore
Yeah
So if a rhino used to iron skin he can survive a barrage from a imperator titan?
Frames are generally much less durable in lore
But we haven’t seen iron skin ever
In lore so that’s up for question on how durable it is
You should also consider that what we use are mostly mere copies
The originals are lost to time tbf
Remember Atlas punched a planet-cracker size meteor and turned it into dust
i thought you guys were talking about 40k because of rhinos for a second and now im just confused
Also we do know rhino can get absolutely taken out by a swarm of sentients
I.E new war in the Kahl portion
But a swarm of sentients can kill pretty much anything
So meh
Tbf anyone can be taken out but what's basically the necrons with tyranid adaptability sped up 100 times
Jesus christ warframe lore is quite something
Their only weakness is they can’t reproduce after void exposure lol
But that’s a pretty big improvement from instantly dying via contact
Also now that I think about it warframe Ai's are all kosher for the imperium
Yeah
They’re digitized criminals/scientists
Though Corpus AI might be an issue
Like the ambulus
Corpus ai is basically tau drone ai with the sentient being the men of iron equivalent
It's layers upon layers of bullshit that just manages to barely stick to the wall most of the time.
Or how I prefer to define it: Realistic looking anime game
Though the orb mothers used salvaged sentient bits
So they don’t count
Yeah Warframe doesn’t bother trying to explain anything with real science
It’s space fantasy
Not necessarily
“The void”
Especially for the corpus
Ok yeah fair
The only faction that effectively weaponizes it is the tenno
And orokin
The grineer have some really rudamentry stuff now with the kuva spears
Who the tenno all slaughtered

Oh the Duviri use void as a weapon
Is there new main story shit?
This is from zariman so not really
Duviri is so confusing
The new grineer enemy has a weird spear
I only lvled horse
The holy warframe trifecta is:
-I used Sentient stuff
-The Void
-Kuva
That can sever your connection
Just do it like Destiny.
"I don't even have time to explain why I don't have time to explain."
Me:
It’s a story book brought to life
Is the most simplistic answer
The drifter formed it somehow
I think on duviri my intrinsics is lvl 1 everything lvl 10 horse
See, I like warframe more as it's more of a: It's so far into the future you wouldn't understand even if I explain it in an essay
The wall of bone in which all eventually join

God i hate the Drifter being multiversal stuff
Cant fully quit tho i gotta max citrin
Destiny tries using real science to explain things and it usually makes sense funnily enough
Eternalism is meh
We still don’t have an actual answer
My drifter looks like quigon jon
I always liked the idea of standardizing reality warping with paracausality
It’s always some physics stuff which is cool
The most weird stuff is strand being literal string theory made manifest
Along with some weird mental stuff going on that’s not explainable
I fully quitted before Railjack, couldn't take anymore of the grind, now waiting for Soulsframe so that they have a blank slate to work with
But that marks 2 different types of darkness that alter the users mental state
If they don’t have proper self control
Yo same
But lorewise I'm still invested as long as it's not Duviri/Drifter related
I am the best oberon main in all of north amarica
did you say Oberon main
Yes
Next quest prolly is Albrecht entrati related
Considering it’s literally named after his kavat
The only way to die with my build is if you use nekros
Kalymos Sequence
I suffered through each and every one of his fucking rework just to then switch to Hydroid lol
💀
I do like how the different paracausal elements are easier/harder to use based on the mindset going in
In destiny
I’ve been an oberon main since 2019
I have the best build I’ve seen on him
Phoenix renewal?
Heals 96 hp/tick phoenix 440 extra armor and i get energy back when i take dmg
I think before I decided i was gonna take a break i was using nezha and wanted to use citrin
I’ve eeen so many space marine firstborn lots, there’s a good one i wnana pick up but I’m thinking ill proxy some of them as primaris units or mix them with primaris for a proxy. Any lore issues with that
I’m going mantis warriors which are an already under numbered chapter lol
Does anyone know how old whiteshields usually are? I always see them presented as "child soldiers" but all the art of them makes them seem like basically adults. Is it all older teenagers, or is more like in the early 20s young adults?
Thats because you cant really show child soldiers in your toy soldier game.
But they are basically 15 to 20 year olds, Cadians get taught to disassemble lasguns before they even walk as per lore.
Well if you don't want to draw child soldiers don't put child soldiers in your setting??
Cowards
Being on Cadia ages you
And differences in Oxygen probably play a part as well.
Ranges from children to young adults
There's a quote from the 8e cadia suplement
one moment
"Children you call them? They can pull a trigger just as well as veterans, and they have the spirit of a bull narthax. Call them children if you wish - I call them troops. Good troops."
I know 99% of IG lore is spaceship troopers but that is the most blunt reference I could think of
least favorite faction is prolly Leagues of Votaan
they add nothing to the setting right now
in fact they take away from it
they need more lore now
least favorite subfaction excluding the dwarves
Craftworld Alaitoc, they don't fill any niche the other craftworlds don't they just retread the same beats as Beil'tan being an uber restrictive highly regimented craftworld
except Beil'tan is more intresting because they're uber racist
and they're a military junta
I can understand your point about the LoV.
Maybe they need to be involved with a campaign or something.
Yeah definitely.
Least favorite faction is dark eldar, i guess they are not my cup of tea
Least favorite ork sub faction would be the Goffz, don't get me wrong i love orks but Goffz are extremely basic, their entire lore is they're basically just bigger than most orks and prefer bludgeoning people in melee with large infantry hordes
Yeah but that's kinda like cadians.
They are just guardsmen but better
I would say my least favourite is slannesh csm or khorn csm since they kinda just lose all interesting character traits the moment they fall.
Oh yeah, they are basically black orks that are made to be in the species not man-made
Yeah
They're literally Black Orks
I really wish they'd get more traits other being the Biggest and the Ardest orks
They are bigger than everyone else and they think they are better
yeah
but maybe they'll get something more intresting
I just dislike the general X but better subfactions
Actually ozas from the nightlords was pretty great for a khornite
Goffs like almost fall into that
but they don't like shooting so
or going super fast
The most positive thing going for them is that Ghaz is a goff
Yeah
And he's a pretty good character at least
||primearus||
Not the basic Goff stereotype
Primaris aren't a subfaction 
Dumb warriors
He has devastating tactics
Yeah Ghaz is pretty kunnin
Anyone he couldn't beat to death he outsmarted
anyone he couldn't outsmart he beat to death
And he knows when to retreat
When his fighting something that he can't chew or head butt
Yeah, why do you think gorgutz was still alive on dawn of war 3?
Motherfucker had escapes ready
You got the pointy stick
You the real winner
new information learned from soul drinkers: slaanesh demon aura smells like musk
Elongated muskrat?
TRUE
no, the smell of a human body
oh
have you never smelled a fellow man? smh

also i got my first ever space marine models
You ask like that's a common thing to do
is it not
do you not fantasize about boy smell
what kind of world do i live in
No, no i don't
smh
i will make them ultramarines because that's the only paint i have
i wonder if the name ultramarine comes after the colour or after the words "beyond the sea"
Should Gorgutz be a named character for the orks on the tabletop?
Yes
Yes, ork characters are quite lackluster on table top
Beside ghaz
Orks don't have a Evil Sunz character
You really don't care for the other characters
iirc
And apparently he's from the evil sunz even though he doesn't ride vehicles most of the f****** time
Evil Sunz don't need to ride vehicles tbf
they just need to like going fast
and imo his dawn of war 3 Claw thingy def achives that go fast vibe
At least on dawn of war 1 you can strap booster engines and faster legs on him suppose
even tho he's like
not in Evil Sunz color in DOW3
for some reason
(its because the blood ravens are red)
I think he's just following the color of Gitstompa's army coloration
He is
Omg Rayman reference
You know the one he joined to
He's meant to follow the color of Gitstompas army
but Orks usually keep their clan colors
even when part of other armies
he looks great everywhere but the actual game....
I think it's to show loyalty even though he is definitely planning to back stab him, i do miss his left hand gun but his me dawn of war 3 design is not bad i actually quite like it, i mean he uses a power klaw that can double as a grappling hook and a flail
But in terms of voice acting
we do not talk about it
Original dawn of war gorguts can never be topped
yeah the left hand gun was cool
but imo thats bcs they didn't want him
to copy old Ghaz's mini
Imo they still should have given him a gun on the other arm
but like not a shoota
Also gets the most basic loadout for a war boss
like a Rokkit launcha maybe
Shoota and klaw
or something bigger
Is the most reliable combo in the war boss world
I'm not so bummed out by losing his gun i like the dawn of war 3 design compared to the original one but the voice acting i miss the original
In souls storm it wasn't as strong but i can't really blame the guy he had to get surgery
he was trying his best, and i don't blame him for that if you got surgery on your throat it is bound to affect your voice
yeah for sure
The orks were the best part about dow 3
Second place the eldar, I like how it continues on from retribution with the plot about taldeer and rohnahn
Third place gorgutz calling rohnahn Ronny
Last place the humans they're so boring except Diomedes ready to split the inquisitor in half and Jonah not being dead (I like that), Angelos is ok but the rest is boring. The twist was eh, just boring. Gameplay stinky tho
Are the cult of mars accidentally following the chaos demidaemon
The forge master or some shit
Nah
Ok cool
Void dragon
Has a big shard on Mars
I'm surprised WFH or 40k hasn't done an equivalent of wall guns which were obscenely huge muskets mounted on walls as turrets essentially, I think maybe crane gunners for Cathay are the closest equivalent. It's ironic that besides the bolter there isn't an insane amount of physical (not energy or explosive) munitions that can pulp someone in heavy armor with shrapnel from a round as big as a monster energy can
There's only the bolter and the ogryn shotgun that's about it
And yes bolter rounds detonate on impact I'm just saying through traditional gun/musket methods
Is the Imperium the only main faction that was corrupted by the chaos?
Why don't other races have chaos worshippers?
Chaos worshipping eldar are either dead or eaten by Slaanesh
Chaos isn't that enticing for Tau
Chaos orks are unorky, and thus hunted down
It's kinda a confirmation bias, even in Fantasy most of the servant of Chaos were human, except Skaven for the GHR
Cause human were the main point of view and protagonist
chaos orks and gsc were a thing but it was a long time ago, rogue trader and second edition
Doesn't make a lot of sense to me
At least, Eldars. They hate Slaanesh, right? Why do none of them worship Nurgle or Khorne, since the enemy of my enemy is my friend?
And if i remember only Storm boyz of khorne are the the main thing that you see for orks
it's more so an annoying neighbor of my enemy rather than enemy of my enemy
nurgle orks were pretty common too
Because willingly making them join your side is very very hard, hell the only reason why khorne gas storm Boyz is because those orks didn't grow enough to know gork and mork
Those were forcefully infected right
Warhammer lore events can be pretty annoying to track
There was something mentioned about crone world chaos Eldar who are the mightiest of champions but nothing ever turned up, and you might assume that probably the top rankings ones that were before are now keepers and other daemons
Dark Elves used to be more chaos elves, but that kind of changed
The old witch elves had a Khorne logo on their hats
all because they kept ripping off the Melniboneans from Moorcock too lol
Depends on the round. The standard bolter round is designed to explode inside the target.
Because Eldar are smart enough to know its not exactly worth damnation by chaos just to escape from Slaanesh.
Slaanesh was birthed by the Eldar via literal turbo-fuckery.
The Dark Eldar kinda swirl around this by going "sure you can have our souls", then throwing Slaanesh a non-Eldar soul instead.
My Dark Eldar lore is rusty tbh
banned
Pft.
but yeah basically saying "Why not just join any other chaos god to escape from Slaanesh" is a awful idea
By the Omnissiah of course.
For the Eldar it's cause they fucking hate chaos stuff as a species and have proper knowledge of both positives and negatives, they had been battling warp spawn since the end of the war in heaven after all.
Orks reasoning it's much simpler, Green is best, orks are best, so why would I ever put myself under the orders of something that's not an ork?
But more in general it's the fact that most aliens aren't as ignorant as us on chaos knowledge
For example the Ethereals know full well of the dangers of Chaos and thus suppress the knowledge, kinda like how humanity did during the Emperor's days and the Cult of the Imperial Truth
As after all we have seen that even with their extremely dim souls, they can still be both corrupted (Arthas Moloc situation) and get interested by warp entities
Give the Tau 10k years in the wider galaxy and they'll be treating the greater good like some godly and divine will
Dude the auxiliary races already spawned The Greater Good in the warp lol
You become a walking cancer tumour with nurgle
You become so bloodthirsty you may as well be a brainless killing machine with khorne
And tzeentch will literally still troll you even if you are his best subordinate
They are not any better than slaanesh
Why join Isis when you can join Al-Qaeda kind of argument lol
Khorne isn't purely rage. Khorne is about Martial Honour as well
Nope he isn't.
Which is why Blood Pact is so nasty
Why go to McDonalds when you can go to Burger King
Tell me the time they spared a guard man because the guardsman couldn't kill them
Thats old warhammer fantasy Slaves to Darkness lore people always re-tell as fact, its entirely from a witch hunter interrogating a chaos cultist and hes more or less entirely telling lies by saying chaos gods have "good" aspects
Did I say they wouldn't still kill?
He doesn't like Honor, he dislikes backstabbery
Wich is different somehow trust me
His sane followers literally become more blood thirsty the more they spend with him
Khorne is the kind of guy who would even commend you for swinging at him, but you have to be sure you are doing it from the front if you don't wanna pull a skarbrand
He just really wants to reduce you to nothing more than a killing machine
He will not stop corrupting you until you become the very pinnacle of fury and savagery
Cue the Khorne guy from Battlefleet Gothic for the best example or a great khorne chaos lord
"I DEMAND YOU JOIN YOUR FORCES TO MINE"
What do Khorne guys do when there arent any people around to kill?
I can't even imagine them laying down to nap, or sit to eat
They got that ork mentality
But cranked up to 11
It's basically just a Big red Waaagh without everything that keeps an ork society together
They literally become more savage the more time they spend in chilling
Like me waiting for a game to download with my slow internet
This is the best way to put it
theres a bit of camaraderie but these guys are also completely insane.
Orks in comparison are entirely lucid.
"Its your day off today Heretic, what do you want to do?"
"TAKE ME TO THE FRONT LINES OF DESTRUCTION"
At least ork will find ways to improve their fighting ways, a shoota boy might have won enough teeth from fights to buy a big shoota, tankbustaz can get better rocket launchers, you can watch someone participate in the face eating contests or turn the nearest grot into a soccer ball
Pretty much lmao
Khorne on the other hand
You are literally nothing more than a bumbling that only functions in combat
Sounds like the Death Company
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Khorne
Lists martial honour as part of his Portfolio
I honestly kinda don't like the Black Rage. I think it's silly. It should just be the Red Thirst.
I get where it came from and all that but it could have easily not been a thing.
Pretty sure any Khornate society will turn in on itself once there are no nearby enemies.
Was there ever a time where the chaos gods did something positive without any negative setbacks at all
Not sure.
When I think of Khornate society I think of the pyramid scene in Apocalypto lol, so yeah crumbling
Lexicanum, aka the better wiki
That's why i prefer it but, it still says that orks have gills
Only good thing to do with the Fandom one is searching for first to third edition content without having to reach for the nearest pdf
I think that's mostly due to nothing directly contradicting it yet
Same as how star child and sensei are still a thing and just forgotten
Yeah, i had to confirm it by asking dilara
So it's safe to assume that gills are just forgotten
Yeah sadly there's not much to do off for alien physiology except those old Liber Xenologis books
Fandom be like:
Cites 20 warcom articles
Cites unrelated fantasy book
Cites 30 year old white dwarf short story(written by an Employee's 10 year old)
-wadda u mean those are the best sources- that edit saved you
The lexicanum is still better because one time i was visiting the wiki bonesliptterz for lore, the lexicanum has literally better and more complete lore
Because Lexi actually looks into and cites sources
Fandom usually is just copy pastes
Only time I found the Fandom wiki useful was when I was searching for more info on Hylgar Hellraisers as they were last mentioned on 3rd editioj
And fandom just dumps everything that mentions xyz into the article
But even then they couldn't even transcript the whole thing about them
Dont forget also if you dont have Imperial Armor books
you can literally read the entire book from the wiki

Now that the daily "Chaos gods not actually good" lecture is over, have possum
That was not a possum
A baby brushtail possum (Oz) calls out to his mother (Kiki). Look for Kiki's face in the top left corner of the screen at the 25 second mark, she can hear his calls and is checking that he is alright.
By the way, Kiki didn't just abandon him on the balcony, but is training him to make his way around on his own. Young brushtails don't spend muc...
There we go
I believe all of the Chaos Gods have their good traits in some odd ways.. They are just hidden behind incomparable evil
They don't
Their followers can have their own twisted beliefs
But the gods are deceptively one dimensional
Tbh, the only chaos being that deserves worship is Vashtor.
I missed it.. He just appeared out of nowhere and I still don't know what it is
Vashtorr is a demi-god of inventors, engineers, scientists, and artisans.
Good point.
I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of his worshippers are chaos mechanicum
Sounds susceptible to Tzeentch subsumption
happens all the time to lesser gods
If a minor god is eating the food one of the chaos gods eats, which is most of the "food" in the warp, then they will eventually become food for said chaos god
He owns the soulforge, so he's basically an untouchable weapon master to them 
Doesn't vashtorr owns the.... Yeah
I've still not read the Arks of Omen books
Chaos Tropico
reading physical books is HARD
why?
how am I supposed to find the time to sit down to read and do nothing else
audio books are the way

Does brutal kunnin have an audiobook
plus concentrating on rows upon rows of text is hard
yes I've listened to it
how much reading u do on da internet bruh?
Is there a way where i can legally steal it
u reading right now mo'fukka
dunno I use audible
there's always a way
these are on nicely separated rows in short bursts
you can use a bookmark and slide it down to keep your line, that's what I do
yeah but again reading a book requires all of your focus, can't paint, walk or do anything whilst reading
And listening to music ruins the scenery i am making in my mind
I can't imagine an ork fighting a gaunt when i'm listening to the hu wolf totem
All I know is that you should cherish books
Don't get me wrong they are a great but it's just not my thing
Those arent books, those are heretically defiled papers and obscene scrawlings
Also my brain is a amoeba
The limitations of my brain prevents me from enjoying books
Trust me i've tried to read novels and stories
but book make brain get bigger 
I just don't like it,
if you enjoy it good for you though
Well shit, my brain is way too busy prioritizing other things and i've hit it way too hard
I havent read a book for years
I do audiobooks now too
my brain is also mushy and soft where it once was springy and firm
Since the black rage is a predominately psykic phenomenon (genetically imprinted psykic memory), would the presence of blanks or a null field quell the effects of the rage enough so the marine could take hold of himself again?
Even if only temporarily
Damn thats a good question
but im gonna say unless you got like 10 blanks around you probably not?
Like its psychic and genetic, one or the other is gonna activate it
But the genetic component is only the imprinting right? Its the psychic memories that drive the marine into a furious blind rage
I'd wager it would have an effect on the raging dude but not a lasting one probably
But still reasonable to say it would have a "positive" effect on his "mental state" right?
wonder if certain blank will encounter such situation in an upcoming book now that you said it
could be
What about a Null Rod like witchhunters use?
Reckon if you bonked a Death Company marine on the head with one it would give him a moment of clarity?
(serious question)
"A Null Rod is a type of Power weapon used by members of the Ordo Malleus's Daemonhunters. These obsidian rods constantly crackle with anti-psychic power which nullifies the powers of the Warp. However, this device also prevents the wielders themselves from making use of any psychic power."
Lore masters? Opinion havers?
Honestly, no
like... its still a small stick
a Marine is a brick-wall with a brain
What if you surgically implanted a null rod into their head.
Y'know "apply directly to affected area" kinda thing
lol
I feel like this is a serious possible plothole that need examination
there's no instances of black rage affected marines interacting with psykic nullifying powers/effects to my knowledge
I wonder how powerful the psykic memories are. I mean obviously they're powerful, but they're not so powerful they explode your head as even the most modest psyker is able to do, and if a null rod can work on them...?
But maybe I'm measuring the power/potency of the black rage improperly
its very much "Idk plot"
I bet if I made a fucking fanfiction about a Chapter of BA descendent marines who successfully treated the Black Rage with "Null Hoods" or something people would have things to say about it lol
Well
You're mashing them into someone's brain
And people don't exactly enjoy being around blanks/null fields much
That's assuming their heads don't just
Explode
They may also just get
Burnt mentally
Like how the Pariah nexus reduces humans to mindless husks
I mean, you can turn them into emotional shadows of themselves, or have them as raving suicidal lunatics. I guess it depends on what's more useful
Apparently null rods need to have their captured psykic energy bled off or they can overload and cause a warp rift , so they are sufficiently powerful psykic suppressors, and as mentioned a built in failsafe for overload or feedback. If anything that energy bleed can be weaponised with force weaponry or something of the like
Do you think the Imperial guard would benefit if they had access to drop pods?
they're not really built to survive the harsh landing
Didnt forgeworld have grav drop units?
They would jump out and their jump packs were like grav cushions or something
elysians
but that's not really pods
yeah those guys
Shame the Imperium never recovered the STCs the UNSC used to make their ODST pods
Aren't they basically just paratroopers
I guess?
The Elysians, I think, got consigned to legends.
Yeah, forgeworld discontinued them 3 years ago.
The Harakoni Warhawks do apparently drop from orbit, but they also just use grav-chutes
Most imperial drop infantry use grav chutes
Anything similar to the Deathstorm Drop Pod for the IG?
Tarantula Sentries can be dropped from orbit
I think it's really expensive to use pods for individuals 🤔
I mean they did, they just gave it to the marines
Yeah just make more Valkyries and big dropships, they're all just falling boxes
Also yeah Grav-chutes are more a fancy parachute than a jetpack anyway
After the Imperium, does anyone think there is another faction that will have a civil war?
Tau
I think factions that don't have civil wars are in the minority lol
Tau
Dark eldar are in one right now
Orks(this is status quo)
The Dark Eldar are in one right now?
Also, just had a thought, but aren't the t'au already in a civil war with the Farsight Enclaves?
It’s not a hot war
Nor is it an active one
So they're letting each other exist then.
More than usual ?
Yes
Kabal’s and Wych cults are actively challenging vects rule
And also the ynnari being a thing
Throws yet another element into said civil war
The sides are, hate vect hate ynnari, hate vect like ynnari, ynnari, like vect, like vect hate ynnari
And all the haemonculi hate the ynnari
typical elf infighting
Ork infighting
https://youtu.be/oc4mr8a4H7c
Warning: Not actually ASMR. Unless if you're into that kind of thing. #NLClan #BunkerSlav #AveDominusNox
Lmao
The best way of life. Even the Diggas agree.
Which will be in a kill team boxset in the future.
i am majorly pissed that majorkill has a typo in his title
book nerds have no excuse
yeah
there's two extremes of the 40k youtuber content spectrum
majorkill which is learning nothing new
and 40k theories which is barely understanding any video because it's all super obscure lore
Yeah Major covers interesting topics but its very much just short enough 10m vids to get ad revenue and nothing else.
I kinda fell off of watching majorkill cause its just not entertaining anymore. I listen to weshammer and an ai channel that uses david attenbourghs voices to narrate 40k lore
^
I was a big Majorkill fan unfortunately but I dropped off for the same reasons, I think literally the only Warhammer channel I follow is Pancreas
Someone should do an ai channel for 40k vehicles, but it's David Fletcher from the Tank chats.
Yeah this
I literally can only watch Luetin if i have it on as background noise
but goddamn he loves the sound of his own voice
hes explaining quantum physics in a 40k lore video about the Warp

Pancreas is good i just wish there was more content
Same but hes a very new channel
apparently his audience loves it. i remember him mentioning in videos how he's surprised that his longer form videos get more positive feedback because he does admit he rambles a lot
Lmao yeah because his audience are fanboys
I could barely sit through his tau video lol
his introductory videos from way back are A+ tier though
like i can't even explain what it felt like to listen to 2 hours of horus heresy lore knowing nothing about 40k
getting my 10 alts
But yeah old Luetin was deffo something else
I also missed it when he didnt ruin his badass intro/quote section with a stupid paint studio advertisement lmao
lol
But hey at least its not adeptus ridiculous
HEY GUYS
GO BUY OUR MERCH
DID YOU SEE THE SMUT ON OUR PATREON?
Yes. We did.

Who tf is that
Lmao
he does lore videos about shit you won't understand at all if you havent read many 40k books
Damn
like "remember that one character in this book that's mentioned once? let's talk about them"
I gotta learn how to read fr
Theres too much i cant tell what it is
white substance
Ah cool
Thank you mod for keeping this server family friendly

I want that one t’au gun
Wtf is going on
Me too
Glad you know which one im talking about
Hes testing the react bot giving him those emotes
Ah ok
mechanicus drinking time
Bolter to Kokoro is such a good 40k artist
I feel so bad after posting that.
Why so
Sad gif.
Btw just saying, but we got confirmation that after 30 we are clear for being auric equivalents
I couldn't see that much past the complaint avalanche again

that fills my 1/1 quota of going into general-chat once a month
Tbh i find it a very good update
Flash Maelstrom missions, wallet merge and bearable locks, all very welcome changes

Anyone got a space marine chapter that they wish got a new book focused on them?
people complain about this update?
i didn't even see anything worth complaining about
I mean yeah the game is kinda dying and anything fatshark does good or bad is gonna be met with negativity.
Yeah, I’m contemplating to hibernate until Space Marine 2 is released.
I wonder which space marine chapter will turn up as a cameo?
🙏 Blood Ravens again
I'm hoping we get to have more cosmetic options for different chapter colors we can wear just like in the first game.
Is one of those channels that makes slow on content but is pretty worth it
I prefer channels that way that put effort on their videos even though they come out slow it's fun to watch
Unlike other channels that pump out so much content but it's so f****** boring you just lost interest
lmao we return full-circle, literally Majorkill

I was going to mention him but didn't want to dig him up out of the grave that i just put him down in
lmfao all good
But speaking of major kill god damn is it hard to take interest on his content unless it specifically tickles my interest
Yeah he produces numerous niche videos which might or might not interest you compared to encompassing bigger general introductory topics like most lore channels
The lore channel i used to watch the most but his content is quite old and he does multiple sci-fi and even history at times, grimdark narrator, he's the one who made the warhammer 40k girlfriends video i showed you
His voice is a bit monotone or lifeless
oh man i remember watching him
stopped watching him for also exactly the same reason lmao
I like Baldemort
i gotta say pancreasnowork is probably one of the funniest channel names i've ever seen
i dont know anything about him but im assuming he's diabetic
I feel like I kinda out grew 40k youtube.
Use to listen to arch but he turned his channel got real annoying after he couldn't get to the point
Only listen to major kill because they are shot and kinda funny some times
i prefer discussing lore with people now that i have a firm grasp of the universe
and videos just spoil books for me
i have the horus heresy to read
I used to know so much more about 40k lore than I do now. I don't know how I forgot so much, I just know that I can't remember shit like I used to lol
I almost completely forgot about 40k for a few years and I think my brain tried to delete all the info to free up space
i learn slowly about stuff so i can process it all into my long term memory
i can recall a stupid amount of stuff long term but short term i can't even remember what I'm eating. while im eating
I'm kinda the opposite I don't really care about what happens so much as I want interesting or fun stuff to happen to character that are well written
Like kingmaker was great was a fun ride the whole time and ended happy enough for 40k
Dark imperium was forgettable since only Matthew and gman were compelling characters.
Like I don't need to know about how bad NG smells
Honestly entire reason I love the book
no cheap grimdark ending
its just a fun violent adventure

Like innocent people get killed and shit sure but its kinda funny and written in a Tarantino-esque way where you just dont really care
Actually you ever read dune?
Yes.
Biggest mistake of my life
I didnt read it while high on shrooms

the way it was MEANT to be read
It's older than 40k but it's way more interesting if you like the more political talks
Oh fucking absolutely
its actually a living world
and not
you know
a sellout corporate setting with space marines

just uhhh
ignore Mr Herbert's weird sexual descriptions
dude i hate and love reading high
I'm 2 books in but rereading book 2
Yeah the first books are great
its literally a "wojak point" parade of "Wow 40k stole so much of this shit"
I heard it goes bat shit but I haven't spoiled my self yet
i saw a summary video of the stories
Alt-Shift-X has some good ones
dune really created every sci fi trope
Yep
Dune is the grandfather of sci-fi
like how LOTR is the grandfather of fantasy
they are the OGs
Also true
sci fi existed way before dune
oh yeah?
YE
well my gun says otherwise 


I just like how you can have a battle way more intense than a lot the bolter porn from 40k.
But that battle is just the dukes concubine talking to the family doctor.
Lmao yeah its so well written
Shits wild
I love reading about Baron Harkonnen
one moment hes politicking
the other
"Anyway find me another boy to-"

And a few feasts
We do love our fat overlord
honestly i gotta commend how unapologetically disgusting the Harkonnens in the book are lol
shit has more questionable allegories than starship troopers
meanwhile Paul's dad is like "Anyway be prepared to liquidize the populace"
Literally half of it is either
- drugs
- sex
no in-between
also worms i guess
yeah i have the first book with me and i need to fucking read
Was gonna say it's more than that but tbh with the bene g breeding program it kinda is
highly recommend it, its a fun time
LMAO yeah
i was like you once
"No there is more substance-"
herbert mentions breeding for the 204940th time
"OK I GET IT"
Like the second book they discuss if they should breed him and his sister
LSKFDKLSDSFKLDSDS


