40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Mongols:I’ll fucking do it again

[storm jungle]

KEK

They looked cool and killed indiscriminately so that makes it okay right

[crystal forum]

mongols: im sorry we stopped

[arctic talon]

💀

[keen stratus]

Yeah but, theu dont do kinkshame and so i dont, so i still choose them, honestly anything excep the bitch of tzeentch

[storm jungle]

Tzeentch is based

[arctic talon]

You’ll prolly end up flaying a puppy for fun

[storm jungle]

you get Shadow Wizard Money Gang

AND

[arctic talon]

If you fall to slaanesh

[storm jungle]

You will love casting spells

[arctic talon]

Or eating a kid

[crystal forum]

we love casting spells

[storm jungle]

kek

[keen stratus]

I mean, would i feel bad for it?

[storm jungle]

Also late but i also forgot how early orks (i think actually still) had mongol hats and shit

[keen stratus]

HE WILL TURN YOU INTO A CHICKEN FOR FUN

[arctic talon]

No but as a servant of chaos you wouldn’t feel bad for much lol

[arctic talon]

So will slaanesh

[keen stratus]

AND THEN YOU PARTNER INTO A BOOKS AND SHOES

[arctic talon]

All the chaos gods will lol

[storm jungle]

oi

I like reading

[arctic talon]

Khorne literally has turned some of his champions into chaos spawn before

Bcs he was bored

[keen stratus]

nah, not khorne, he would do something else

[arctic talon]

Nah

He turns people into chaos spawn lol

Or worse

[nocturne crest]

And there are some chaos space marines who want to be turned into chaos spawn.

[keen stratus]

i mean, he wouldnt turn you into chicken, thats what i meant

[storm jungle]

Khorne will turn you into a Spawn and then reply with:

"Skill issue lmao."

[arctic talon]

True

[nocturne crest]

Because to them, the chaos spawn is the ultimate representation of the Khrone life style.

[keen stratus]

@storm jungle

wait

[storm jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/555459980854034434/1127233929531891712/Tumblr_l_512554186586770.gif

[keen stratus]

.

[arctic talon]

Tbf turning into a giant death chicken is sort of the goal of most tzeentch cultists

[nocturne crest]

Unlike those harvest khorne warband who just kill and take over the enemy's base.

[storm jungle]

please no gobbos

💀

[arctic talon]

Like

[storm jungle]

im gonna unalive myself

[arctic talon]

Becoming a daemon prince

Is the goal of every chaos follower

[keen stratus]

i didnt wanted to post that, read the message i pinged

[storm jungle]

Lmao i was joking

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

also YES you are right

i do want to kill this entire discord then perhaps myself

Sanity is for the weak

[crystal forum]

you cannot end my quest for guard feet pics

[nocturne crest]

Also, are the digganobs still around?

[keen stratus]

https://youtu.be/r76RyD-PAOw

[storm jungle]

TAHTS THE ONE

LOVE THAT VID

[arctic talon]

Yes

Also remember nothing is stopping you from making any of the chaos hq’s women in lore

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gorkamorka

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

I dont remember this...

Trazyn the Infinite maintains a large gallery dedicated to the planet on his museum-world of Solemnace. He considers the exhibit to be one of his finest, although he remains uncertain whether the greenskin idol-rocket at its center represents Gork or Mork.[4]

Lmao

[crystal forum]

i will make corvus corax into a goth tomboy

[keen stratus]

I have a question, what would happen if khorne wins and theres nothing more to kill in the universe? like i know their followers would kill themselves, but woundt that produce also his death since theres no more death in the universe?

[arctic talon]

Based

[storm jungle]

Khorne would phase himself out

[arctic talon]

They’d start killing each other

[crystal forum]

jk im not even into women

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

or that

rip

[keen stratus]

Yes i know, read the entire message

yeah like

[arctic talon]

They’d prolly not kill everyone

[nocturne crest]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l2xuXn9y9ro

[arctic talon]

They’d prolly do it via arenas

[keen stratus]

if theres no more pleasure in the universe say goodbie to this femboy

[arctic talon]

Khornates can still organize

They’re raging lunatics

But they have their mind intact

[crystal forum]

sometimes you just want to murder and pillage with the boys

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh takes whatever form the viewer finds most pleasing

You wana know what a grey knight saw

[keen stratus]

So in my case it would turn into a version of argentina with stable economy and good politics?

[arctic talon]

Someone capable of doing so

But yes

[nocturne crest]

I wonder which chaos god would like the Posaidists the most.

[arctic talon]

You’d also prolly be madly in love or attracted to them

[keen stratus]

and also, are you from chile? i kinda remember you are from chile i dunno wh

[arctic talon]

No

[crystal forum]

i thought wolf was chinese

[arctic talon]

Taiwan

But yeah

Ethnically I’m Chinese

[keen stratus]

AH, you are in the DD2 server right?

[arctic talon]

Ye

[crystal forum]

i consider this a win

[arctic talon]

👍

[crystal forum]

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-white-pikmin-death-gif-19148419

[keen stratus]

yeah thats why i remember you from, i got confused cause theres like two guys from chile in that server

[arctic talon]

Lol

[keen stratus]

sportsy

[nocturne crest]

Communists who believe that Nuclear war is need to achieve true socialism, dolphins can read minds and any alien society must be high tech and communist.

[crystal forum]

what is with taiwanese people always being online so late at night

[arctic talon]

I don’t live in Taiwan is the answer

But it’s bcs of nightlife

And long work hours

People usually don’t get out of work till around 8:00pm

[crystal forum]

my joke didn't work this time

[arctic talon]

Explain it to me then lol

[crystal forum]

it's not funny

[arctic talon]

[crystal forum]

i pretend to not know what a time zone is

that's the entire joke

you're supposed to say your current time

and then i say "no, it's 11:30pm"

[arctic talon]

Oh

[crystal forum]

we then all laugh

[arctic talon]

Badumtssss

[nocturne crest]

What about giving the attack bike to the IG?

[arctic talon]

Give them a normal bike

[nocturne crest]

Sorry, thoughts about giving the Space Marine attack bike model and updating it for the Imperial guard.

[arctic talon]

Like the gsc one

[nocturne crest]

these guys and gals?

Oh, sorry. Phone delay.

[fallen river]

Do genestealers even have a gender anymore by full stage

Well I mean we know they can impregnate people

[nocturne crest]

Hell, that's something else GW could nick from WW1.

Or go down the crazy Russian route of anti tank motorcycles to mortar cycles.

So what is the oldest 40k model still sold today by gw?

[green loom]

Half the xenos line

[arctic talon]

Craftworld Eldar Warp Spiders

They're from 1994

[outer wave]

A question concerning fantasy ogres/ogors: can they be swayed to Slaaneshi-like chaos if they enjoy eating to the point they fetishize it? I know they're resistant to chaos corruption but I don't think they're outright immune

[celest dome]

Yes

There are chaos Ogre

Also I don't remember them being really that resistive to chaos

[outer wave]

I heard they were genuinely very hardy against chaos

Like it was very rare to see chaos ogres

[celest dome]

Chaos Ogre were a unit that WoC could take. With leader being Mutant Ogre iirc

[outer wave]

I'm more wondering if Slaaneshi Ogres have been seen in lore or are even talked about considering their love to eat

[celest dome]

Not sure but Agrammon might have been one

[outer wave]

Oh?

[celest dome]

Might also be the dude on the chariot in AoS. But I can't really say cause I never really read his lore

[outer wave]

Did a quick looksie, doesn't seem to mention ogres

[remote widget]

Ravenor's blank guy, whe.n he gained the ability to chat to zayl, does that mean he grew a soul?

[dense lynx]

i mean is it really excess if it’s necessary

[coarse pumice]

Blanks aren’t really soulless

Their mutation makes their interaction with the warp behave very strangely

[storm jungle]

As per current lore they are soulless.

Its been their thing for a long while.

[coarse pumice]

There’s weapons that remove souls

[celest dome]

In world lore

[coarse pumice]

And it leaves the target a brain dead husk

[storm jungle]

Well yeah, but blanks are soulless.

Its not anything to do with a gun, they are born that way.

its their whole schtick.

[queen laurel]

blanks are literally built different

[coarse pumice]

Afaik there’s a novel where a blank is burnt out and becomes ‘normal’ but I don’t know what it is

[storm jungle]

Yeah ignore that.

Blank lore is basic but a lot of authors uhhh

have their own ""takes"" on it

[storm jungle]

this is just one stupid contradiction among many

since people like Abnett really fuck it up lmao

[coarse pumice]

Abnett introduced this mess in the first place

[queen laurel]

I like it being basic, these persons don't have a soul and because of this they cause anomalies around them to shut down

[storm jungle]

Same here.

Its really not that complex

but the authors always gotta fuck it up

[coarse pumice]

That’s not that simple, because rocks don’t have souls and those don’t cause anomalies

[storm jungle]

Its simple.

They have no souls.

People hate them.

thats it

lol

I feel like you are just thinking too deep into it, theres not much.

Also like, authors almost half the time when writing 40k plant ideas that they think sounds cool as concepts, the misconceptions that come from that are just not really thought upon

[coarse pumice]

Like Gav’s population for craftworlds contradicting all other published material

[storm jungle]

I mean

again

It doesnt matter.

[outer wave]

From that POV true, but how they typically enjoy their food could easily be swayed into excess.

[coarse pumice]

Something that Mat Ward actually got right

[storm jungle]

He's the same guy that literally said:

"Theres as many eldar/elves as the plot demands."

[queen laurel]

then there are those authors that know how to utilize the characteristics of the thing they are writing off, good example of this is Mike brooks with his ork books

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

Theres nothing to get "right" when you have so many cooks in the kitchen, contradictions are pretty much a brand of warhammer lore

and GW is entirely aware of this

[coarse pumice]

Well officially fan fiction is as valid, iirc from the words of black library themselves

[storm jungle]

Ehhhhh kinda

they literally only say that for homebrew reasons

so people can do w/e they want

but its not ever going to be canon lol

As much as GW says "everything is canon" it really isn't either, they handpick what they want and cement that instead.

They just don't want to break peoples' feelings

[queen laurel]

This is warhammer, as long as your fan fiction is not setting altering levels of ******** it can pass off

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

Homebrew is a big element of the setting.

Canon exists in 40k, people just want a convenient excuse to justify headcannons.

[queen laurel]

i literally made a group of orks designed for rescue, you can make your ideas come to life in this setting a lot easier than most settings

[storm jungle]

Yeah its a sandbox setting

You can entirely enjoy and immerse yourself in it however you please

Half of the Eisenhorn series takes place in a sector/system Abnett made up entirely for his book series.

same applies to any scenario you make with your friends with the RPGs.

[queen laurel]

i gave my ork warboss a hyper phase power claw that double s as a power fist and added a twin link big shoota to it, I decided to give him an arm mounted squigosaur, and his personal flagship that's the size of a small moon, on other settings that might be ridiculous on warhammer that's just a basic day

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

A lot of canon characters in 40k are extremely Mary Sue, so its more or less fine as long as you set limits.

[queen laurel]

yes, as long as you're faction doesn't have the power to solo the setting it would be fine

[coarse pumice]

Ephrael Stern

I used to annoy my friend (who was a sisters player) by showing the Ephrael Stern dreadnought in the catalogue though lol

[nocturne crest]

Can you imagine if they put Yarrick in a Deff Dread rather than an Imperium based Dreadnought or making him a living saint?

[keen nova]

Yarrick would be a living saint-for the orkz

[nocturne crest]

Make him a unit that the orks can summon when they get too many good throws against an imperium faction.

[near wasp]

They summon him on the guards side so they can have a better fight!

[nocturne crest]

https://tenor.com/view/elias-wwe-raw-walk-with-elias-get-it-gif-10740359

[dry epoch]

I saw this line out of context, but noticed that you'd something about the authors previously and I just came here to confirm the truth that authors don't have souls.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner2049-literally-me-ryan-gosling-sad-thats-the-way-it-is-gif-25952586

Oh jeez...

[dry epoch]

Then I read back and added context. But it's true. No soul. Soulless.

🙂

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-white-pikmin-death-gif-19148419

[crystal forum]

authors have to sell their souls to get any fame at all

[frosty stag]

How many primarchs are actually involved and not dead in 40k

Better question how many chapters are there

[frosty stag]

The front of the tank is oddly cute in a weird way

[nocturne crest]

Definitely.

[arctic talon]

Over 1000, the only active loyalist primarchs are Lion and Gulliman

All the traitor primarchs are active except for Kurze(is dead), Alpharius(is dead) and omegon(fucked off somewhere) also Horus

[frosty stag]

I thought mortarian was active too

[arctic talon]

I said all the traitor primarchs are active

Excluding the dead ones

Primarchs aren’t the focus of 40K

They’re usually background dressing

[coarse pumice]

Ah the old Mk4 land raider

[frosty stag]

Sorry im really tired and dyslexic

[arctic talon]

You’re good

[coarse pumice]

Personally I think too much focus and superheroes are detrimental to the overall setting

[arctic talon]

Tbh

They don’t do shit

In the grand scheme of things

[coarse pumice]

It’s a warning more than anything else

[arctic talon]

Fair

But GW seems content with primarchs doing nothing

Or almost nothing long term

[coarse pumice]

Too much focus makes people think it’s some kind of superhero drama primarily. They did well to make guilliman like just a speech guy and commander guy in the leviathan promotional material

[arctic talon]

Yeah

He also isn’t coordinating the defense against leviathan either

It’s just the lord Solar + his command staff

[queen laurel]

Also very fitting because 0 guilliman is not the combat guy, he's the one that leads forward, so the next primarch, the lion is the one who is useful in frontal combat

[arctic talon]

Tbh Lion almost died

Against angron

[queen laurel]

To be fair that's angron

Blessings of the blood god tend to make you a close combat machine

[arctic talon]

To be fair I don’t think Lion can stand up to any daemon primarch

In a one on one fight

It’s why he keeps on running from angron

In their fight

[queen laurel]

Even more so with angron

[arctic talon]

Bcs it would be insane for him to take him straight on

At the end of the day I’m glad primarchs don’t take up all the focus

In actual lore

[green loom]

Dorn says as much

[arctic talon]

Bcs they’re honestly kind of boring

[green loom]

"holy shit these morons don't realize how tough they are"

[arctic talon]

And we already have so much on them

[queen laurel]

I mean taking on a follower of khorne in melee is a suicide

[green loom]

Taking any daemon primarch in melee is unlikely to end well

[arctic talon]

Simply be better

Yeah

Only time it’s gone well

[storm jungle]

Late but yeah this is entirely true.

You cannot believe the amount of people who think Guilliman and Lion are "improving" the Imperium and saving it when its been entirely the opposite.

They are basically demi-gods standing upon a rotten ship thats barely kept afloat.

[green loom]

Was perty v Angron

[arctic talon]

Is with the fucking deus ex machina axe

Aka the khorne axe

It took khorne intervening to kick magnus’s ass

[green loom]

Perty v Angron went fine also

[arctic talon]

Guilliman is like using a bucket to get water out while the boat is literally flooding lol

his "help" does nothing

in the grand scheme of things

[queen laurel]

I swear to god, if i get transferred into the warhammer 40k world and I have a lot of powers, the first thing i will do revive the emperor, and i will gladly watch as the rest of the imperium realize how much the emperor hated seeing how his empire became like this

I can just imagine their faces realizing that the emperor did not wanted to be worshipped like a god

[arctic talon]

tbh

I don't even think his mind is intact anymore considering his "conversation" with G-man

[queen laurel]

Yeah the emperor is quite fucked

[polar barn]

Which is why I say we give total command to the lion

[near wasp]

Give command of the militarily to lion give the logistics to gman

[nocturne crest]

Give the Ecclisarchy to Russ or Corax.

[polar barn]

Isn't the Lion VERY pissed about the entire ecclesiarchy thing

[polar barn]

This would be so good

[near wasp]

Both of them are

[polar barn]

The guy who was actually meant to be warmaster returning to lead the crusade

But RG is big boss now, right? With lion holding massive power too

What would actually happen if they just ended the religion

[celest dome]

The Lion meant as the warmaster?

[nocturne crest]

https://tenor.com/view/civil-war-trailer-captain-america-gif-14236920

[polar barn]

Because the thing I heard is that emperor is largely "alive" thanks to the belief

[nocturne crest]

Just ignore the Marvel and captain america text

[polar barn]

I always hated the black templar anyway

[nocturne crest]

They're not the only space marines who worship as a god.

[celest dome]

The BT are the least of the worries in case a religious schism happen

[polar barn]

No but they are the ones I would like see gone

So civil war aside

What would happen to Mr E

Would the lack of belief end him

Or is E already gone and the god emperor is just a mirror made from belief

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, the space marines would probably lose.

Against the guard, sisters of battle and black templars?

[polar barn]

Don't focus on the civil war stuff

[nocturne crest]

Or, it would be fuck all of Ultramar.

[celest dome]

Also the BT aren't unique in being religious

The religious side is way to big compared to the other

[polar barn]

Are you missing the point on purpose

[celest dome]

The deciding factor might end up being the Admech

[green loom]

Lion isn't fully back yet

[polar barn]

God damn it

[green loom]

And he won't cause a civil war

[nocturne crest]

Well, any civil war will just end the imperium.

[celest dome]

If you want to ask what happen if the Lion tried to make the religion go extinct you can't just avoid the civil war talk

[polar barn]

I can

[green loom]

"Yes I will weaken the Empire I want to protect by going against my competent brother "

[celest dome]

Seem like you can't

[green loom]

There's nonstop civil war

[polar barn]

Because the discussion is about the impact of belief on E

[celest dome]

As we're going for Civil war already

[near wasp]

Both primarch are just gonna suck it up and let the ministorum c9ntinue

[polar barn]

OK, I could if people could focus for 5 seconds

[green loom]

More accurately, they'll use the ministorum

[arctic talon]

The imperium would genuinely implode

if you got rid of the ecclisarchy

It brings way too much stability to all the worlds as awful as it is

[near wasp]

Its the only thing holding anything together right now

[celest dome]

Also there is no way to simply take out religion in the Imperium. Even if you did it with a wish you'd end up having plenty of Empire secondus and stuff

[arctic talon]

it also gives a sense of unity

to the imperium

[polar barn]

This is not a question of practicality

[arctic talon]

Yeah but like the high lords he doesn't do much

[polar barn]

It's about what would happen to big Es soul or whatever he has these days

[arctic talon]

And Lion doesn't hold any power at all

he's just sitting around on the rock

[storm jungle]

We also literally dont know anything about what the Lion is doing at this point btw

[arctic talon]

keeping to himself and intervening when he feels it necesary

[storm jungle]

we only got reactions

[arctic talon]

Yeah

all we know is that he doesn't let interregator chaplains like

[storm jungle]

We need to wait until they release more material

[green loom]

We know he made a lil protectorate

[arctic talon]

torture people to death regularly

he has to okay them

to torture

[storm jungle]

but yeah like he cannot touch the Ecclesiarchy

theres ognna be some spat about it prob

then Guilliman will stop him

[polar barn]

God damn it

[arctic talon]

Also we literally know his POV about the ecclesiarchy

they're insane

[green loom]

But useful!

[arctic talon]

but they're everywhere

[polar barn]

No one is going to actually discuss the question then

[storm jungle]

I mean theres no question, we dont know

[arctic talon]

because your question isn't intresting the emperors soul is fine

[green loom]

Why would we, Big E is the worst part of the setting

[arctic talon]

He doesn't seem to grow stronger from worship

The Emperor got a huge power boost

from the great rift popping open

but worshipping him doesn't seem to empower him as far as we can tell

[polar barn]

So what happens with all the worship

Because it should do something, right

[arctic talon]

Its going to something

we don't know what that something is

[green loom]

Probably gets fed to minor entities because the imperial faith is notoriously fragmented into millions of mini cults worshipping different entities

[arctic talon]

but it doesn't seem to empower the Emperor

[arctic talon]

yeah prolly

most of it is prolly going into undivided greater daemons

[polar barn]

So there are like a million mini emperors in the warp

Just feeding on it

[arctic talon]

No

just daemons

[polar barn]

Yeah that's what I said

[arctic talon]

Feeding off of what they see the Emperor as

They aren't the emperor or sided with the imperium

most likely

[green loom]

Imo

Emps can't work with regular warp bs

[arctic talon]

the same way tzeentch, nurgle, khorne and Slaanesh prolly get a cut of the worship from the imperium

[green loom]

Because he isn't "regular warp bs"

[arctic talon]

or feed off of the general like

[green loom]

He's "pure"

Or something

[arctic talon]

vibes of the imperium

He's anathema to chaos

according to the Gods

[polar barn]

Do you guys believe in the whole thing about E actually being malice

[green loom]

So regular warp juice likely does nothing for him, since he's completely opposite to it

[green loom]

No?

Who made that shitty theory up lmao

Throw it into the pile of 3 million crappy malice theories

[polar barn]

Idk I heard it online

[arctic talon]

No we know who malice is

and he's been summoned to real space

[green loom]

Yes we do

[polar barn]

It made no sense to me at the time

[arctic talon]

At least twice

no one worships him

except for the Sons of Malice

[green loom]

He's a minor entity worshipped by the Sons of Malice

[polar barn]

Bob Dylan

[arctic talon]

he's smol

smaller then the raptor god

arguably smaller then Vashtor

the sacrifice needed to bring him to real space was pretty small

just 11 people

[nocturne crest]

Then again, maybe if the Imperium does crack apart, Gulliman can go and roleplay as Aurelian.

[green loom]

It already has cracked apart

See: Cicatrix Maledictum

[arctic talon]

Imperim Nihlus is like rapidly falling to chaos

the imperium has effectively has had half of it fallen apart

[nocturne crest]

So the high lords were right and Nihlus should be abandoned?

[green loom]

They can't feasibly support Nihilus

[arctic talon]

I mean practically speaking no

because the Imperium is fucked without it

[nocturne crest]

The previous high lords of Terra.

[arctic talon]

but also practically speaking yes

[green loom]

The only way through that's safe is the Nachmund Gauntlet

[arctic talon]

its an unsalvagable situation

[green loom]

Right next to the Eye of Terror

[arctic talon]

there's another unknown path

thats also hotly contested

but it never got a warzone book

[green loom]

So funnelling resources to half the imperium through two tiny holes will not work

[nocturne crest]

Can't they just pull a Kryptman on Nihilus?

[storm jungle]

bro

[green loom]

Why would they?

[storm jungle]

do you know how many lightyears we are talking about?

[arctic talon]

The nachmund gauntlet also is like a 9 man brawl right now lmao

[storm jungle]

its half the galaxy

[green loom]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Like

[storm jungle]

thats like saying

[green loom]

It isn't just Obscurus

[arctic talon]

its an absolute clusterfuck

[storm jungle]

"lets bomb half of the entire earth"

[green loom]

It's large parts of Ultima and Pacificus

[polar barn]

Just do it out of sheer willpower

[storm jungle]

also like

[arctic talon]

nachmund rn is really funny

[storm jungle]

nobody is gonna let you nuke that many planets

[polar barn]

Idk feels like this is close to happening irl these days

[arctic talon]

also the warzone with the most representation of factions in 40k

[storm jungle]

Kryptman barely got away with it

[green loom]

You'd also be funnelling all of it through two tiny holes that are both heavily contested

[arctic talon]

He's literally being hunted down

by several inqusitors lol

[storm jungle]

lel

[green loom]

It worked against the Tyranids because it kept them without biomass for a while

[arctic talon]

Imperium Vs. CSM Vs. Chaos daemons Vs. Orks Vs. Renegade Knights Vs. Dark Eldar Vs. T'au Vs. Necrons Vs. Eldar

Like

[green loom]

Chaos doesn't feed off biomass, in fact they're very comfy in their new unasailable strongholds that the rift created

[arctic talon]

nachmund is a genuine clusterfuck

[nocturne crest]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-not-to-worry-were-still-flying-half-a-ship-prequelmeme-prequels-obi-wan-kenobi-gif-14302173

[arctic talon]

The Craftworld Eldar fucked off out of Nachmund after the Imperium betrayed them

which was really funny

which also led to imperial infighting

So I guess nachmund is a 10 way brawl by technicality

because the imperium is fighting itself

So to sumarize nachmund has an Imperial civil war going on and its being attacked/attacking 7 different enemy forces while said forces are all fighting each other

[nocturne crest]

How?

[arctic talon]

wdym how

[nocturne crest]

I mean the imperial civil war.

[arctic talon]

a Imperial Guard company commander thought it would be a good idea to shoot an autarch in the back of their head

which pissed off the Eldar so they left

which then pissed off large chunks of imperial forces

because they just lost the support of an entire craftworld

Which led to infighthing which led to a full blown civil war

[storm jungle]

You gotta love to see it

[green loom]

The inquisition is also keeping tabs on the main defending force at the Gauntlet because they're getting sus about them daring to work together

[arctic talon]

Chaos daemons what to close the gauntlet, CSM want to take it over, Renegade Knights are shooting anyone who gets close, Necrons are waking up and are very angry, Orks want to take it over and have a good time, T'au got sent here via Warp drive accident, Druhkari are having a grand old time grabbing slaves, and the Imperium is trying to not fucking die(As usual)

[storm jungle]

Yeah everyone was here

because uhh big tabletop thing

[arctic talon]

all Nachmund is missing is nids lol

[storm jungle]

so that you can mostly play any faction

[arctic talon]

Though I suppose GSC's count

so nids are around as well

Nachmund is the only warzone supplement that had pretty much every faction present

and its pretty fun because of it

[storm jungle]

Dawn of War Moment

[arctic talon]

Yeah literally dawn of war moment

but stabbing the only group of people willing to work with you is uh

not a good idea

[storm jungle]

to be fair

Imperium not smart.

[arctic talon]

especially since Imperial and Eldar forces were getting along fine

lol

True

But that guy is genuinely the biggest brainlet

[polar barn]

But it is kinda funny

[arctic talon]

I've seen in lore for a while lol

and its funny as shit

the guy is just xenophobic as hell

and thinks the eldar are going to betray them(they aren't)

[storm jungle]

its up there with Artemis ruining the eldar ritual that would kill Slaanesh.

[arctic talon]

Artemis is an uber mega racist tbf

he's hardwired to be racist

[storm jungle]

It was still pretty braindead

but also funny

"Would you let a trillion humans die just to kill me?"

"Uhh i think so"

[polar barn]

In many ways, 40k is just competitive racism

[arctic talon]

It is in fact Ranked competitive racism

and the Imperium is almost top tier at it

[polar barn]

And it's still not enough

[arctic talon]

but its hilarious how pissed off different groups got over the whole

shooting eldar in back of the head incident

[green loom]

There any specific factions?

[frosty stag]

“Dad horus is being bad” - magnus

[arctic talon]

Its a massive list one moment

[frosty stag]

“Thank you magnus, very cool” - daemons

[celest dome]

Almost ? Who won ?

[polar barn]

Tau

[arctic talon]

Castellans of the rift, ultramarines, unnamed knight houses, Death Korps of Krieg, Armeggedon steel legion, Cadians, Elysians, House Mandrakor, black legion, night lords, Disciples of Belakor, Iron warriors, general massive hordes of daemons, T'au 4th sphere forces, Kabal of the black heart, Coven of The Dark creed, Craftworld Saim Hann.

[arctic talon]

Dark Eldar

are by far the most xenophobic lol

[green loom]

Nah I meant who got pissed off

[arctic talon]

Everyone is lesser to a Dark Eldar

[polar barn]

I don't know man

[arctic talon]

Oh The space marines, One of the knight houses, Adeptus mechanicus, Cadians, Steel legion forces all got super pissed

[polar barn]

I think dark eldar are kinda chill

[green loom]

They aren't

They're actively sadistic and will always double cross you

[arctic talon]

Remember poor Dark eldar aren't considered Eldar

they're considered Food/Slaves/Entertainment

Craftworld Eldar also aren't Eldar

[polar barn]

Yeah but they have the "I just wanna grill" aura

[arctic talon]

Everyone is slave fodder

except for the Rich

[polar barn]

But grilling is sadistic violence (for fun)

[arctic talon]

also Harlequins aren't on the slave list either

[polar barn]

So the empire is pure racism

[arctic talon]

mostly since messing with them tends to end up with you getting brutally murdered in a very entertaining way

[polar barn]

Dark elder use hate crimes as an excuse

[frosty stag]

Warhammer is pure racism

[arctic talon]

Anyone who isn't part of the upper class of druhkari are considered less then Eldar

or Harlequins

because the clowns will murder you

[polar barn]

Yeah we've been over this already, we are ranking them now

[scarlet hollow]

Hey guys, I messaged in here a while ago for help on a script I was writing for a Darktide lore video and here is the finished video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BRHuTJIbOw

[nocturne crest]

So is the fight for Vigilus still on or is it near to a close?

[arctic talon]

on going

its still a clusterfuck

[green loom]

The Castellans and the other rift Bois are trying their best to hold on with whoever washes up

The Inquisition isn't too happy about it

[arctic talon]

tbh what are they gona do lol

the Castellans are pretty well liked

[storm jungle]

VERY nice narration

more soothing than Luetin thats for sure

[scarlet hollow]

Cheers, and the Luetin comment is a nice boost to my ego lol.

[storm jungle]

Lmao its true 🙏

[nocturne crest]

Oh shit, there are Genestealers on Terra?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[frosty stag]

Aren’t genestealers everywhere they could be

[arctic talon]

Nah they’re only an issue for humanity

In terms of infection

[celest dome]

Didn't the Eldar lose a Craftworld to them ?

[arctic talon]

No, the eldar on that one left before the infinity circuit was invented so they infected themselves with genestealer parts

To save their souls from slaanesh

(It didn’t work)

The craftworld did get reclaimed and all the infected killed

[covert kiln]

By the Ynnari, right?

[storm jungle]

Yep.

They figure it out quite quickly and purge the entire craftworld of its tainted population.

[arctic talon]

its pretty hard for Genestealers to infiltrate a craftworld bcs number 1 eldar reproduce slowly and when they do have sex it usually isn't for reproduction

number 2 people can read your mind

number 3 the infected would start acting weirdly which is a cause for concern on its own potentially

[storm jungle]

Yeah that entire plot point was pretty braindead

but then again it was written by Thorpe

[arctic talon]

The whole plot of the genestealer craftworld was just meh

cool idea poor execution

also how the fuck does it work timeline wise

bcs they left the Eldar empire before the fall, had no communication with the other eldar and somehow infected themselves with genestealer DNA

[storm jungle]

Yeah it was just bad...

[arctic talon]

now it would have made more sense if it went Left Eldar Empire -> Infinity circuit damaged -> lost communication -> Found nids -> infected themselves -> Ynnari find them

bcs not having an infinity circuit is ????

the goddamn exodites have them

[nocturne crest]

Isn't there Dark Eldar who infected themselves with Genestealer dna because they wanted their features?

[arctic talon]

They grafted tyranid parts on yeah

and the Haemonculi were laughing their asses off while doing it

There's a high chance they're on a list for extermination

[storm jungle]

Not features

it was just a fashion statement

It was also after the Druks kidnapped an entire planet of tyranids for a zoo project

[arctic talon]

Tbh said planet isn't an issue bcs they have no bioships

they're literally trapped on it

its an incomplete tyranid biosystem which you never see

[storm jungle]

Why did you think i said zoo project

[nocturne crest]

So are the Druks the safest from the Tyranids then thanks to the webway?

[storm jungle]

More or less yeah

if a invasion did happen they can literally pull anything out of their ass to stop it.

[arctic talon]

Harlequins are arguably safer

[storm jungle]

The only threat to Commorragh is basically daemons.

[arctic talon]

Also the chaos gods like own personal domains

[arctic talon]

its under control for now tbf

[storm jungle]

for now

[arctic talon]

after the whole Yvraine becoming the chosen of Ynead incident

[storm jungle]

Man

if only we got more lore on that situation on Commorragh

since uhhhhhhhhhh

fucking 2018 or something

[crisp heath]

Update: it sucks

[nocturne crest]

Wait until the Khan turns up.

Hell, maybe there Khan has his own little piece.

[arctic talon]

Khan if he is in comorroagh

Is prolly just sticking to the more human occupied or lower districts

[storm jungle]

Or just

[arctic talon]

Not there

[storm jungle]

on the prow of some Raider

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Lol

Also true

[storm jungle]

lmao

[green loom]

Khan is 100% next

[arctic talon]

It’s literally going to be leman

[green loom]

With Abby/Vash in the webway

[storm jungle]

Its very hard to guess

[arctic talon]

For loyalists

[storm jungle]

actually

Ed makes a good point

[arctic talon]

It’s gona be for one of the non compliant codex’s

Imo

[storm jungle]

Hmmm

okay so wait hold on

[arctic talon]

But of the alive complaint prinarchs

[storm jungle]

forget lore for a sec

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s khan by far

[storm jungle]

lets think from a money perspective

[green loom]

Maybe they'll delay it, but Khan has a nice setup

[storm jungle]

which makes the most sense

[arctic talon]

Russ

It’s literally Russ

Space wolf fans are rabid for a big center piece mini

That isn’t the dog sled

[storm jungle]

Yeah they do sell too

because like

[crisp heath]

Russ

[storm jungle]

GW doesnt think from a lore perspective with these things

lmao

[arctic talon]

If the next loyalist primarch isn’t Russ

I’ll genuinely drink nuln oil

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

I stand by these words

[crisp heath]

I'll wear the same underwear for a week then boil them and drink the broth

[arctic talon]

[crisp heath]

Step up your betting game

[storm jungle]

whos gonna be the last primarch you think lol

im betting on Corax

[arctic talon]

In 40k?

[storm jungle]

nobody gives af about Raven Guard

[arctic talon]

Imo Dorn

[storm jungle]

ah fuck

[arctic talon]

no one plays fists

[storm jungle]

good point

[arctic talon]

and Dorn is

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

lowkey boring as shit

[storm jungle]

Spoilers

[arctic talon]

Fists literally have one of the lowest play rates

[storm jungle]

Imperial Fists are boring as shit too

[arctic talon]

They have a lower playrate

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

then goddamn Red Scorpions

in tournaments

back when GW was tracking marine suplements

[storm jungle]

Valrak is the only person keeping the I.F community alive

[arctic talon]

bless his heart

[storm jungle]

hes got the spirit

[crisp heath]

I could see them bringing back corax with lorgar

[arctic talon]

He's like a golden retreiver

always positive

[storm jungle]

ikr

[arctic talon]

Tbh from an actual like likelihood of returning imo its Russ -> Khan -> Vulkan -> Dorn

[storm jungle]

Valrak is a doofus but i can never hate him, he literally always never has any hostile intention.

[arctic talon]

He's just having a good time

building hype lol

[storm jungle]

yeee

[arctic talon]

its great

But Dorn is by far the least likely loyalist primarch to return imo

He's also the least intresting visually

to make him look super intresting you pretty much have to do Non metallic metal

the same way that Dante is also done in Non metallic metal

bcs just flat gold is boring as shit

excuse me what the fuck

[crisp heath]

Oh yeah that's what got her in WH in general

[arctic talon]

💀

[crisp heath]

Hmm I'm actually deleting that because like, I don't think it could get back to her but still, feels a bit too personal

[arctic talon]

in terms of traitor primarchs returning Fulgrim(all but confirmed) -> Lorgar -> Omegon, Alpharius is fucking dead so he doesn't count, same with Curze and Horus

[arctic talon]

fair

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically its entirely down to business and miniatures

Fulgrim as you say is 100% this year

[nocturne crest]

And corax?

[storm jungle]

Angron even got released early because his fucking model got leaked

[arctic talon]

Corax before Dorn

highly doubt before Khan

Raven guard aren't popular unfortunately

[storm jungle]

Yeah you gotta think from a faction profit perspective

[crisp heath]

I'd go Vulkan first, then Khan

[arctic talon]

they're the second least played marine subfaction

Most popular marine subfaction that does't have its own codex is white scars

[storm jungle]

Lion came back because

1. We know where he was lore-wise
2. DA kinda make good cash

everyone else rn is free-game

[arctic talon]

like white scars are so far and above the other codex compliant chapters(excluding ultras)

in terms of play rate

mostly since their playstyle is actually enjoyable

and doesn't feel like you're pulling your own teeth out(Imperial fists)

[coarse pumice]

At our club Fists and successors are the most common space marine armies

[arctic talon]

neat

guess people like yellow heh

or bolters

[coarse pumice]

I don’t think I’ve actually seen ultras outside of the gw store armies

[arctic talon]

but I sincerely hope for GW's imperial fists themed detachemnt it isn't bolter themed again

because holy fuck

their 8e suplement was 💀

lets make an entire army rule about bolters and shooting better with bolters

[coarse pumice]

Like when I saw the tournaments as well as local players

[arctic talon]

were they using imperial fist suplement rules tho?

bcs thats the metric GW uses

also black templars might as well be their own first founding chapter imo

they're so divorced from the fists gameplay wise on the tabletop its silly

[coarse pumice]

Dunno, I think most people just play vanilla

I mean I’ve only recently started being involved again

[arctic talon]

fair

[coarse pumice]

So none of the smaller sub factions exist anymore

[arctic talon]

I just don't think anyone but the most dedicated fan would play like pure fists

tbh I'm lowkey happy about subfactions being replaced entierly with detachments

[green loom]

I'm learning Infinity lore rn

[coarse pumice]

I don’t think subfactions are needed

[green loom]

Pretty nice ngl

[coarse pumice]

Fists among others should play vanilla

I mean that’s the point right, they accepted the codex in the end

The ones that didn’t became templars

[green loom]

From what I remember

[coarse pumice]

I played Yu Jing in infinity

I had both Chinese and Japanese models

Then they split the faction

[green loom]

Insane, vengeful fanatics become the Templars
Crimson Fists were mostly new recruits/rational folks
And Imp Fists were the ones most dedicated to the legion

[nocturne crest]

So what are the blood angels and wolves play rate?

[green loom]

I, unsurprisingly, like PanO Mil Orders

[coarse pumice]

I had a small nomad force too

[arctic talon]

High

they have their own Codex's

[coarse pumice]

But I think if it started it up, I’d flesh out the Japanese section, my Chinese section is pretty complete even after the split

[green loom]

I like their power armour(?)

I really like Holy Sepulchre

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if they'll bring primaris wulfen along with Russ.

[coarse pumice]

I didn’t really play the subfactions/fireteam

I think from playing old rules I wasn’t so familiar

[arctic talon]

I expect primaris of the normal units first

[coarse pumice]

So I played vanilla mostly

[arctic talon]

tbh the "subfactions" now are just like pretty easy to manage

for marines its you get doctrines

[coarse pumice]

I mean in infinity

[arctic talon]

Oh

I’m stupid

[coarse pumice]

In 40K I think the subfactions flanderise the chapters

They too easily become caricatures

[green loom]

Love em

[nocturne crest]

That looks awesome.

What is and where is it from?

[green loom]

It's a military order knight from Infinity

These ones guard Jerusalem on old earth iirc

[nocturne crest]

Okay, copied. Thank you.

[green loom]

From what I can tell it's a decently sizeable sub faction of PanOceania

(one of the big factions)

[nocturne crest]

Also, do you think there the imperium can form a rainbow legion of templars?

[green loom]

Half of them aren't the same geneseed so prolly not without then killing each other over minor differences

[nocturne crest]

You got your red, black, white, silver.

Just need the rest of the rainbow.

[dense lynx]

pride legion

now time for wrath legion

[nocturne crest]

Your average wrath legionary:

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-angry-rage-gif-15169733

[frosty stag]

Is this a raven guard?

[nocturne crest]

By jove, it's Feathers McGraw!

https://tenor.com/view/wallace-and-gromit-penguin-stick-em-up-gun-gif-15832936

There wasn't a gif of him using the trousers.

[frosty stag]

Lmao

[frosty stag]

Are the salamanders considered traitors because they actually care about xenon life

[celest dome]

No

And they don't really care about Xenos life that much

[frosty stag]

Ah ok

[green loom]

Salamanders? Caring about xenos?

They're one of THE most xenophobic chapters

They care slightly more about humans, to the point they'll maybe try avoid slaughtering them if they can

[celest dome]

Ehh, they aren't they most xenophobic tbh

[green loom]

They're most xenophobic towards eldar at least

It's basically this

[celest dome]

Yeah, but the other SM chapter aren't less xenophobic

Like I'm not saying they aren't Xenophobic, but they aren't really that noteworthy level of Xenophobic

[coarse pumice]

The four year old Eldar Farseer?

[crisp heath]

Time to stan Emperor's Spears again

Actual good guys on a world that isn't a total shithole swag swag

Sucks that they're stuck in Imperium Nihilus getting absolutely bodied by Chaos but what can you do

[nocturne crest]

Fuck the codex and start legion building, then make some new space marine chapters once the threat is over.

[celest dome]

I would so die if I met them

Emperor's Spear haha, as if the Emperor used a Spear

[crisp heath]

Anyway look at how dope their druids look

(Not my models obvs because I paint like a kindergartener)

My only complaint with the Spears is they go a bit too hard on the "celtic" thing, but at least that has some variety and doesn't devolve into true Space Wolfery

[green loom]

You probably lack the geneseed to do it

[crisp heath]

Yeah they're permanently on the verge of death as a chapter

Lost a ton of geneseed trying to make primaris, constantly getting their marines ganked by chaos, completely refuse to cooperate with the imperium at large in the rare instances they can actually contact it

[queen laurel]

How much you bet they will last in their current predicament?

[crisp heath]

Indefinitely because GW can't make money off them if they disappear

Worst case they just get forgotten about

[queen laurel]

that's is fair, after all business is business

[nocturne crest]

Have the Grey Knight ever worked alongside with the Deathwatch?

[storm jungle]

Grey Knights know about the Deathwatch and will call them in for help if xenos are causing a potential warp outbreak. There was a story in the 8ed Deathwatch codex about 2 rival Ork armies fighting and spilling so much blood in the conflict that it threatened to open a warp rift to khornes realm.

The Grey Knights couldn’t get there in time so they called in the deathwatch. The DW used only bludgeoning weapons to limit the spilling of blood, and though it cost half their number it was enough to prevent the warp storm and get one of the ork armies to leave in search of a better fight in the Eye of Terror.

[queen laurel]

ah yes orks causing problems because they just can

A classic to behold

[crisp heath]

The primarch remembered the Triumphal Way as it had been, when it was a showcase for all that was fine in human art. Gone were the bronze heroic statues that had lined its broad path, as were the masterpieces painted by the artists of the 28th Expeditionary Fleet that had hung between them. In their stead were hideous abominations, contorted sculptures of a shocking nature and artworks that depicted the profane and the obscene. The latter had been rendered in pigments derived from unclean fluids, which, left alone, had sprouted thick mats of mould.

Why is this supposed to be scary

It's hilarious to think Fulgrim is out here painting with c*m

[storm jungle]

Real talk I never really understood why people got disturbed by Fulgrim's book.

Like this is not scary at all yet people act like unspeakable acts are done in the final act and preceding chapters of this book or something, it really is just generic/usual hedonistic stuff you see in any Slaanesh story lol

[queen laurel]

must be the people who are not that deep into the lore because stuff like that is usual occurrence

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah or im just desensitized to violence after reading much worse violent books.

Related image.

[queen laurel]

same. exposure to gore in warhammer is a common day occurrence

[storm jungle]

honestly reading Blood Meridian kinda ruined my reaction to any violent thing in Warhammer books

[queen laurel]

watching too much horror movie kill counts did that to me

[storm jungle]

lmao yep

[arctic talon]

The fulgrim book is like

just weird lol

In a good way

[storm jungle]

Yeah i really do not get why people go:

"OH MY GOD IT WAS DISGUSTING"

Literally just generic gore

People using blood, shit and other fluids as paint

like... okay sure but its pretty meh

[queen laurel]

Also this is warhammer, so if you think that is excessive, just look at the average day of a night lord

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

[green loom]

People do that irl

[viral halo]

I got a question about blood meridian

[green loom]

Plague Marines don't have a good time when the warpyness goes away

[spring cairn]

nurgle worshipper's reason to join are so goofy

[storm jungle]

Go right ahead

[viral halo]

You think they ever gonna be able to adapt that to film? lmfao

[crisp heath]

Sorry I didn't make this clear until a few hours later, but the Boy Juice Paint passage is from Dark Imperium lmao

I never finished the second book so I'm rereading the whole thing

[nocturne crest]

My input is seeing how a Serbian film exists, it will happen at some point.

[storm jungle]

Lmfao bluntly speaking really possibly not, it literally has every kind of violence from children, old people, adults to animals and even cubs being brutally killed, like when its adults violence is usually very easy to do since you get desentisized to it.

If they want to pull it off they'd unfortunately have to tone it down or remove a good chunk of the more darker murders done by the Glanton gang, the entire purpose of the book is also to show the depravity and atrocities these guys make and purposefully make it hard for you to make it through it.

I almost dropped the book midway but I knew it was what McCarthy was trying to do so soldiered through for the last half, its definitely one kind of a book and I felt very scarred and empty by the time i finished it.

[nocturne crest]

Oh

I was wrong.

[storm jungle]

Also on the subject of the serbian movie, those kinds of fucked up movies dont get a massive hollywood style release. Its why they are easy to kinda slip under the radar.

[crisp heath]

Idk Let The Right One In got adapted and while it's not constantly as extreme there's one scene in particular that is very stomach turning (even after being censored in the version I watched)

[storm jungle]

Blood Meridian in comparison is a book that is literally studied in some college courses.

It has to have a big release and names attached to it somewhat.

[crisp heath]

Let the Right One In did take out some of the more graphic stuff, like the backstory, but that was more a time constraint than a content concern

[viral halo]

I just dunno how theyd do it

[storm jungle]

Also yeah as long as they keep the relevant bits of violence it could be possibly to do, its a shame the author was gonna help in the screenplay but literally died last month.

Its just gonna be tough because some people will not be able to watch a bunch of psychopathic desert hillbillies scalping innocent people and natives for an hour.

Its the kind of horror you dont see in 40k books in comparison because knowing shit like this happened in real life makes it a lot more horrid and stomach churning.

[crisp heath]

I do have one question about Blood Meridian actually

[storm jungle]

Go head i recently re-read and finished it again

[nocturne crest]

Like the existence of Ed Gein.

[crisp heath]

Is there a lot of sexual violence in the book? I always avoided because I assumed so just by reputation, but I just realized nothing I've ever heard about it even mentions that

[viral halo]

short answer (yes)

[crisp heath]

Short answer is fine

Thanks

[storm jungle]

Speaking as a female reader yes but its nowhere near as bad as Game of Thrones.

I literally could not finish them because George does nothing but spam sexual violence in every chapter.

A big part of B.Meridian is lots of other types of violence, so the one we are talking about now entirely gets drowned out.

[viral halo]

I read game of thrones from when I was like 13-15 years old and that shit was sexually ridiculous

[storm jungle]

Yeah i hated it.

Its cheap grimdark.

[queen laurel]

Jesus christ even the book did not have saving graces huh, and i thought the adaptation was crappy

[crisp heath]

Oh ASoIaF is actually one of my favorite series though? Martin writing normal and consensual encounters is far more upsetting imo lmao

[viral halo]

Dude loved describing cock

[storm jungle]

No no the setting I love

[crisp heath]

Myrish Swamp

[storm jungle]

george's writing of sexual violence spam less so

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, I'm more horrified that I have seen people stan for irl serial killers, because of media portrayals.

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George describing sex scenes with || samwell tarly || were so ridiculous w the adjectives

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LMAO

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Fat pink mast

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NOOOO

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NOOOOOOOOO

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Yeah honestly id rather read Blood Meridian 10 times rather than read through another Samwell fornicating scene 💀

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If you spam something over time it can be pretty annoying like how matt ward keep using ultramarines and he has every batshit reason to make them over powered

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And the || scene where cersei tries out doing it with a chick for a power trip?|| just felt insane

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Anyway tho my favorite house is Greyjoy so any opinion I have on those books is irrelevant

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Honestly that fits

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Honestly very Cersei

[storm jungle]

Cersei is... a complex character to say the least

yep

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Yea but I can tell he typed that shit w one hand ja feel

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LMAO

also people have a extremely dramatized version of Tyrion in their heads thanks to show.

Book Tyrion meanwhile is an evil little monster

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I hate good guy Tyrion

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same

Tyrion's fall from grace is one of the best parts of the books, not that he had much to begin with but he alwas had a bit of a modicum of it

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he only || doesnt fuck sansa cause he feels bad after he pulled his schmeat out (which was described in great detail thanks george) ||

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LMAO STOP

💀

also pretty much

like ill take Blood Meridian's violence scenes over any of that tbh

at least there it kinda serves the plot while seeming mindless

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Wanna see one of the edgiest books I read?

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oh jeez

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anyone else read this shit?

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From what i'm getting from this conversation, game of throne's is one giant sex joke with the little bit of well-executed literature?

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I think I have

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I saw it but never read it

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Game of Thrones is a fantastic series that suffers from way too many repetitive grimdark tones that George wants to shove down your throat.

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it's basically alexander the great goes full hitler and the author thinks he's tarantino minus the feet

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Ah I see

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Yeee

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Does he not understand that we like Tarantino because of the feet

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https://tenor.com/view/vivi-poonameenu-virendra-vikash-broos_pain-gif-22581118

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he uses mud to describe everything

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fr fr

[celest dome]

Tarantino's love of feet fuel his art

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I need to get around to reading Martin's vampire books

I hear they are utterly unhinged

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based

[queen laurel]

Is this book supposed to be like a fictional story about hercules?

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nah it's if alexander the great made hitler look like a care bear

it kinda fuckin sucks but it rocked when I was 15

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Anyway in terms of absolutely wild literature I'm still in the phase where I'm geeking out about the Locked Tomb

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Ah hold on, i'm going to have to nail an extra scrap on my head to understand this

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Unhinged books

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My favourite story from Martin's is the Ice Dragon novella

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Will add, the more I have read stuff like Meridian and GoT the more im glad Warhammer books (Minus Fantasy briefly at times) entirely ignores sexual violence and modern day slurs aside from curse words like Shit/Fuck/Bitch.

The BL authors more or less know it would entirely alienate their audience lol

well that and UK book censors are extremely weird

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Warhammer at the end of the day is business, and in business you have to be professional

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Its a mix of that and they know this isnt why we are reading this book and shouldnt really be reminded of modern day events.

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Has anyone here actually read all of The Vampire Chronicles?

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Yeah I very much find sexual violence in book and films to be very much of bad taste. Certain book even do worse. Like It from Stephen King

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take meth before every other chapter

as intended

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Speaking as a female reader again yeah i agree lol

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IT is the worst offender

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It makes Martin look like a catholic schoolgirl (it was written by a Catholic schoolgirl)

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To be fair

with IT

he was literally on coke

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It, is that the one with the clown

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Do you know why he quit doing blow?

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No way it is known ?

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Why

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Ye

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Reminder that King doesn't remember writing Cujo, he just found it in his house one day, read it, and didn't like it

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funny because its literally just a killer dog novel, its not that bad

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he woke up in front of his typrewriter covered in blood, naked, with the full book "KUJO" written with no memory of writing it

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LMAO

Least unhinged U.S Writer

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he had shoved tampons into his nostrils at some point to get it to stop

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Cujo, which one is it again ? Is it with the Chupacabra or am I thinking of something else ?

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big dog attack car

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It's the one with the dog

[storm jungle]

Nah the killer dog