40k-lore-chat

[viral halo]

The one the back to back world war champions play

[queen laurel]

The one where you wear body armor and hope for the best

[viral halo]

[storm jungle]

if only we could kill people in IRL football

[celest dome]

The British ?

[crystal forum]

i thought blood bowl was rugby i'll be honest

[near wasp]

Thats rugby

[viral halo]

you can, check out damar hamlin

[crystal forum]

rugby is football on hardcore mode

[celest dome]

Nah, Rugby is a sport of Barbarian played by Gentlemens

[viral halo]

I won my fantasy football league last year cause that mf died on the field

idk how I feel about it

[crystal forum]

it's probably more ethical for football players to shoot eachother than it is for them to give themselves long term brain damage

[near wasp]

You profited off of life, just make sure you spend at least some of it on a beer to pour out for the homie

[viral halo]

it's okay he's been cloned and put back

[queen laurel]

I love the fact that blood bowl happened because the dwarves and orks are fighting and they discover the stadium and after reading the rules they just decided to settle it with football

[crystal forum]

wait so who started football

[viral halo]

blood bowl has some great models tbh

too bad the third game flopped

[storm jungle]

Bloodbowl is also a silly game but like

the actual game is more complex than chess

lmfao

[celest dome]

In RL or in Warhammer ?

[viral halo]

chess is ez, bobby fisher aint got nothing on me

[crystal forum]

is it like kill team but more strategy based

[queen laurel]

After reading the lore it was apparently a group of dwarfs and orks fighting each other and they discovered the stadium where the game used to be played and after reading the rules they decided to use the game to settle the dispute

[crystal forum]

warhammer

[celest dome]

Redicovered: Dwarf and Gobbo (Night Gobbo iirc)
Made: Follower of Nuffle, a Chaos God

[crystal forum]

did they find it or create it

[queen laurel]

It was orcs

[queen laurel]

The orcs and the dwarves found the stadium where blood bowl was used to be played

[crystal forum]

so we have no idea who created the stadium lol

[queen laurel]

Apparently they just found out it was dedicated to some god named nuffle

The god of blood bowl

[celest dome]

Who is a Chaos God

[crystal forum]

there's a lore mystery for you

[near wasp]

How is a choas god

[queen laurel]

Nuffle

[crystal forum]

why did GW make the game about american football

[queen laurel]

The blood bowl god

[queen laurel]

I guess they were just expanding at the time

And decided to try it out

[celest dome]

That wasn't a question
"I am a cactus, who is a heretic"

[viral halo]

to sell models to us corn fed folk

[queen laurel]

Sorry things go through my head sometimes sometimes they don't because my skull is thicker than ceramite

[near wasp]

[crystal forum]

you joke but why the fuck do you people put so much corn syrup in everything

[viral halo]

So we can all be tall and jacked

[crystal forum]

the power of the corn

[queen laurel]

Khorne flakes are great

[viral halo]

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Blood-bowl-grombrindal-the-black-gobbo-2017

Thinking about this one

[queen laurel]

All right there's my monthly khorne flakes joke

[crimson kayak]

Nuffle is funny cause as long as people play blood bowl and do sport he makes so no war breaks out

[viral halo]

I spend so much on models that getting me into blood bowl would be very bad

[crimson kayak]

So technically blood bowl-verse is quite literally "what if warhammer but no war?"

[queen laurel]

The black orc models look like they will fight a dreadnought with nothing but brass knuckles and win

[celest dome]

@queen laurel What I have doesn't say if Nuffle is a Chaos god, but th fact that he has a symbolic number could imply it (as no other god than the Chaos god have them iirc)
Though 11 was for Tzeentch iirc

[queen laurel]

I really wanted to buy blood bowl 3 but jesus christ that thing was a disaster

[queen laurel]

Ah thanks, sometimes i need to power drill words directly into my cranium

[celest dome]

Thunderhammer to the head work better on my

[crystal forum]

oh wait

im reading it and i just got the joke

nuffle is the NFL

[near wasp]

lol

[celest dome]

There is also the NBA ||Nuffle Blasphemer Association||

[queen laurel]

Oh shit you're right

[crystal forum]

and the blood bowl is the superbowl

there's also probably a reference to some famous football guy at the end but i know nothing of the sport so i don't get it

[celest dome]

Same, Handegg is sorta lame

If it had been Hurling I'd have tried to learn

[crystal forum]

so yeah the origins of blood bowl is a lot weirder than you guys made it out to be

that alt universe is somehow set after the modern age

and all that remains of our world is a single football stadium

[celest dome]

It's not

Its a separate Nuffle/Nfl and Bloodbowl

[crystal forum]

what

[celest dome]

It's not set in a magified real world or anything

It's still the same world as Fantasy. But just the divergence at that moment

[arctic talon]

It’s Fantasy up till they find the book

[crystal forum]

from the thing you posted it seems pretty clear that the dwarf is interpreting a football history book or whatever as a religious piece

[celest dome]

Well its still pretty fantasy after they find the book

[arctic talon]

You know what I mean

[celest dome]

Yesn't

They follow a religious book of a deity that was made to mimick the Nfl/handegg

[crystal forum]

pretty funny to think about it

him seeing "the NFL created this" without knowing what the NFL is would definitely make it seem like some sort of omnipotent god

[celest dome]

Yeah. In sort

[crystal forum]

im not buying your version

[celest dome]

What version?

[crystal forum]

that it's entirely a parody

i like the idea that they created a god out of misinterpreting a book about football

much funnier that way

[celest dome]

Still remain that it's a different world. And not a post what ever could have happened real world

[crystal forum]

would it even matter

it's bloodbowl lore

nobody's going to argue about jesus being cannon in this setting

[frosty stag]

What is bloodbowl exactly

[crystal forum]

don't ask me, i didn't even know what it was 30 minutes ago

[frosty stag]

Did every race just kinda agree to have peace and play sport

[storm jungle]

Literally that lmao

its basically another tabletop game for Warhammer Fantasy and an alternate universe of that happening

[arctic talon]

Think American Football but even more violent

and also chainsaws are legal

[crystal forum]

so only slightly more violent real football

speaking of GW tabletop games nobody cares about

i have not seen anybody linking middle earth with warhammer fantasy yet

there must be some person out there who's crazy enough

[arctic talon]

ironically one of its kits sold better then the tactical marine for 2 weeks

[crystal forum]

is it really that popular!??

[arctic talon]

Well

idk

This thing sold better then tactical marines for a few weeks

[crystal forum]

was it when it just came out

might be kitbashers lol

[viral halo]

apparently the tabletop game is huge in Germany

According to my family there it's "all the rage"

[crystal forum]

oh right germans love board games

[viral halo]

and work simulators

[crystal forum]

im desperately trying to be respectful and not make a joke about german culture

they're so easy to make fun of aaaa

it's like a country was created as a comedic villain in a comic book

[viral halo]

Half my fam still lives there I give you the pass

[arctic talon]

yeah

[crystal forum]

the only way for a german to have fun after work is by pretending he's still working

[storm jungle]

to be fair

who doesnt love Uruk-Hai

https://tenor.com/view/you-gif-18001814

[green loom]

Talion

[crystal forum]

these guys terrified me as a kid

i miss actually being scared

[storm jungle]

Lmao same

then when I grew up i was like

"nvm these guys are BADASS"

Tho again id not want to be caught in a siege with them thats for sure

[viral halo]

I'll tell my opa this next tuesday

[crystal forum]

the way they completely overpower all the humans they fight with is genuinely scary

[viral halo]

He might still be mad about the war tho tbh

I'll have to catch him in a good mood

[crystal forum]

hey both my families didn't even contribute to both wars

[viral halo]

mine uhhhh they uhhh uhhhh

[green loom]

[crystal forum]

my great uncle got shot down during his first sortie as a b-25 tail gunner

spent the entire war in POW camp

[viral halo]

My Great uncle walter was in both wars

he had a great time

lost an arm in the second one

got a ton of medals tho

[green loom]

I know of two relatives who got conscripted by the Germans, Soviets killed both apparently?

[storm jungle]

reminds me of that meme

Most of the world:
"IM SORRY FOR WHAT MY ANCESTORS DİD"

Mongols:

[crystal forum]

Canada had a funny story happening that meant draft dodging was cool and acceptable

(for a certain part of the country)

[storm jungle]

If its a pointless war it is

then again most wars are pointless

[frosty stag]

Is global warming still a thing on “holy” terra

Did the god emperor fix it

[crystal forum]

oh im proud of my family literally hiding from the conscription for WW1

literally a pointless war

but WW2, meh that war had some reason to take part in

[green loom]

Mine uhhhh

[storm jungle]

Terra is basically ecologically dead.

Theres not even any water on it anymore.

the entire planet is covered in Hives

[frosty stag]

Oh cool

[crystal forum]

im pretty sure terra doesn't even have a biosphere at this point

[frosty stag]

So no

Lmao

[storm jungle]

if you look for terra's codex art its literally covered in smog lmfao

[frosty stag]

Living in a hive just feels like New York but 100 times worse

[storm jungle]

yep

[frosty stag]

Id be overwhelmed constantly

[crystal forum]

new york if rats were also your source of food, sole trash cleanup service and your only lover

[storm jungle]

Look at this shit-ball

[frosty stag]

That looks disgusting

Was terra turned into this pre or post horus

[crystal forum]

the pollution builds character

[green loom]

If serbs: they were either trying to not get killed or hiding
If huns or germans: living not-awfully in German occupied Banat

[storm jungle]

Terra had been a nuclear wasteland following the fall of the Dark Age of Technology.

The Emperor tried to salvage some of the planet's biosphere during the Heresy which already wasnt much but after the Siege it was basically just unsalvagable

[frosty stag]

Was the god emperor actually good

He seems kinda shitty the more i learn

[green loom]

Nope!

[frosty stag]

Ah cool

[green loom]

He was a genocidal nutjob trying to achieve a potentially impossible dream by more or less any means possible

[frosty stag]

When he reveals himself irl im pledging to nurgle or the t’au real fast

[storm jungle]

Lmao

based

for both counts

[green loom]

So once you see some genius trying to say emps was a good guy or anything along those lines, remember the Imperium decimated more advanced civilizations that wnated to be left alone just because they wanted Humanity to be united under one megalomaniac

[frosty stag]

I already have a nurgle tattoo so maybe the former will happen regardless of choice

[storm jungle]

Also the entire point of the Last Church is to show that hes basically just another tyrant who had the biggest stick at the time

what was the catchphrase of every tyrant? Oh yeah

"Im not like those people because I KNOW I'm right."

he literally says this btw

[frosty stag]

He did get ride of every religion except the one that benefited him

Cult of mars

[crystal forum]

actually the level of shitty he is gets worse the more you know about him and it never stops going down

[frosty stag]

Lmao

[crystal forum]

the religion destroying thing is like level 1 on the iceberg

after level 3 you don't even think it's one of the worst things he's done

[frosty stag]

Why did he hate psykers and abhumans so much

He is just a powerful psyker

[green loom]

He didn't hate Psykers

And abhumans were, literally, "impure"

[frosty stag]

Then what were the blackships for

[green loom]

Psykers, uncontrolled, are horrifically disastrous to everything around them

Just look at emps

[crystal forum]

im not sure he hated abhumans. we never really get a reason for why humanity without question wishes to kill all different forms of life even during the "tolerant" period of 30k

[green loom]

His whole reason for uniting humanity was "Restoring the Human form/healing humanities degenerating genes"

[frosty stag]

Probably cuz even tho he wasn’t a religion but totally a religion everyone thought if you weren’t like him you had to go

[crystal forum]

like the novels set during the opening stages of the heresy have moments where horus's warfleet encounters xenos and he immediately tries to kill them without arguing, thinking about it or debating

it's just
see xenos -> kill xenos

[green loom]

No Horus' fleet actually tried talking with the Interex

But it was directly against orders

[crystal forum]

that's because they had humans

that moment when he's eating with the humans at a banquet. on that planet that held the anathema

[green loom]

And then they try killing him because Erebus provoked them

[crystal forum]

the MOMENT he sniffs xenos he kills people

[green loom]

Though I think they would've done it anyway the moment they got to the topic of warp travel

[crystal forum]

yeah they had alien stuff

[green loom]

because they really didn't trust warp travel

Or the warp

And had massive PTSD from it it seems

[crystal forum]

it's really interesting to me how immediate the desire to kill xenos is

[green loom]

Massacre all those different
Humanity first, now and always!

[crystal forum]

yeah but during 30k it's actually weird

this is before the imperial brain washing

[green loom]

No that's already imperial brainwashing

[crystal forum]

the imperium was mostly worlds who had been isolated from humanity not even a thousand years previously

[green loom]

They were always horrifically xenophobic

[crystal forum]

but why is my question

[green loom]

Human supremacy

The alien is a nice common enemy

And a lot of races harried human populations throughout the age of strife

Easier to get them under control by offering to destroy them

[crystal forum]

you're right. maybe the imperium needed an enemy so it could keep expanding and its warriors motivated

[green loom]

To them, the Galaxy rightfully belongs to humanity, and the aliens that preyed on them deserve to be destroyed

[crystal forum]

i wonder how prevalent the idea of "making the galaxy great again" was

[green loom]

Less "Great again", more "Human again"

[crystal forum]

but it wasn't human

during the age of tech

orks were still there, eldar were massive

[green loom]

Shushhh

Going against the propaganda

Smh

[crystal forum]

the idea of an eldar empire and humanity interacting is so interesting

god GW could make so much money making books about pre age of strife humanity on a different tabletop game

[viral halo]

more like LOSE money cause no space marines

[green loom]

Timmy only wants to see Jebeddiah Marracus massacre the infidel dogs while listening to powerwolf

[crystal forum]

space marines but normal humans in super suits

[crystal forum]

im sorry what

[green loom]

Timmy(generic fan) only wants to see Jebeddiah Marracus(Generic black templar) massacre chaos while listening to the band Powerwolf, whose songs are commonly used for crusader memes

[crystal forum]

ah ok

[green loom]

Yes exactly three

[frosty stag]

Wtf are the night lords

Its like i learn new chapters every day

[green loom]

Night Lords were the 8th Legion

They are very very comically evil

[crystal forum]

i fucking love this thumbnail

youtube keeps recommending me 40k stuff now

[frosty stag]

Warhammer is amazing

[rose thorn]

Roblox ass models lol

[arctic talon]

The night lords and dark eldar would prolly have a contest of who can flay more children

[frosty stag]

What is the chapter where everyone is the exact same

[viral halo]

Alpha legion

[frosty stag]

Ah cool thanks

Are they loyalists or chaos im really confused

[viral halo]

So are we man

Legion by Dan abnett attempts to explain it

[frosty stag]

Lol

[arctic talon]

Chaos

They’re chaos in rules, traitors in horus heresy

And on average most of them are chaos in lore and the ones who aren’t chaos are certainly traitors who work alongside it oftentimes

[storm jungle]

And to add to this

Alpha Legion realistically would have Loyalist elements but the lore has always presented them as Chaos.

Mostly because your narrative plots need some conniving sneaky mustache twirling chaos marines and the Word Bearers dont always cut it.

[viral halo]

Nuh uh

[storm jungle]

DIE

[crystal forum]

leave it to dan to make his own headcannon that ruins any chance of another author fixing the plot points to nowhere

[frosty stag]

So any book written by dan isn’t really canon and we should hate it?

[crystal forum]

dont quote me on this but i think GW could hire 3 equally talented writers for whatever they're paying dan

[frosty stag]

I should be a writer

[crystal forum]

he pretty much is one of the founding fathers of the horus heresy

[frosty stag]

Oh cool

[crystal forum]

the first book in the series is by him

[frosty stag]

If i was a gw writer i would only write rottigus fan fic

[crystal forum]

he's a pretty big name author who's had some new york times best sellers

[frosty stag]

Oh thats pretty cool

[crystal forum]

i think he usually writes for marvel

[arctic talon]

what is this about?

just wondering

[crystal forum]

alpha legion

[arctic talon]

ah

[frosty stag]

The only marvel writer i know is the one that traces 90% of his work and over sexualizes every female

[crystal forum]

isn't that all marvel illustrators

[frosty stag]

No there is one specific guy

You ever see the really bad cap drawing?

[arctic talon]

Graham McNeil wrote prolly one of the best pieces of lore for league of legends

which is funny

[arctic talon]

The one with the really fucked up chest?

[frosty stag]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

oh i know what you're talking about

[frosty stag]

Yeah he traces almost everything he draws

[crystal forum]

another reason why i think the 90's were the death of artistic creativity

[frosty stag]

And any cover you see with half nude women on the cover was his book

[arctic talon]

Rob Liefeld

is his name

[frosty stag]

Yerp

[arctic talon]

wow his art is uh

something

[crystal forum]

it's like he went through art classes and skipped the part about anatomy

[arctic talon]

the women he draws are worse

[crystal forum]

god i hate that era of over the top muscle

[crystal forum]

catachan my beloved

[arctic talon]

fun fact he has an alt headsculpt

but you almost never see it lol

[frosty stag]

He does?

[arctic talon]

Imo the sculpt is worse

[viral halo]

This is the image that got me going to the gym as a kid

I wanted to be JACKED like CAP

Gonna try and PR this row rn thank you captain America

[storm jungle]

Late but its also because whatever Abnett writes is usually referred to as the "Abnettverse"

this is due to the fact that as the others have said he is an Old Guardwhich means he can write whatever he basically wants and BL cant really say anything about it neither can his editors since hes such a seasoned writers with a huge reputation

This also includes things that sometimes kinda go against canon lore, but most people can kinda wave it away and keep on reading this stuff.

[crystal forum]

it wouldn't be such a problem if he wasn't the one in charge of crucial main overarching plot lore

[storm jungle]

^

He basically can do whatever the fuck he wants.

For better and for the worst.

Hes basically kinda entirely shut himself off from outside criticism because he just wants to write.

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195404877688602624/1134284393247150200/amnpe63FJUiAF0Xv.jpg

[crystal forum]

like as much as gaunt's ghosts are a joke when seen in the context of the universe, at least it stays in its lane

[arctic talon]

also small baneblade

[crystal forum]

and hellhammer

[arctic talon]

Its very cute

glad to see you can make a full Auxilia army if you want

[storm jungle]

hate Epic

hate 30k

Perish.

[arctic talon]

based???

I also don't like Epic lol

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

only reason I'm remotely intrested

is bcs I can use my Titanicus minis in it

[crystal forum]

epic is cool

true proper scaled 40k

[arctic talon]

It isn't properly scaled is the issue technically

🤓

the vehicles are still too small

[crystal forum]

shut

[arctic talon]

and infantry is a bit too large

but thats for very understandable reasons from a modeling point of view

[crystal forum]

that's not what i meant

[storm jungle]

too late

Wolf, kill him

[crystal forum]

who will unclog the toilets now

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

Yes, slay him for my entertainment

also jokes aside Epic is fine, just tired of Marines being everywhere lmao

also the new sentinel is just a dreadnaught's chassis on legs

[arctic talon]

I'm sad Epic 30k means we're prolly never getting Epic 40k

considering Aeronautica got sent to hell

[crystal forum]

that just means eldar dont get models

it's a perfect scenario

and tau

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

god aeronautica

"Lets just kill anyone that isnt human"

fuck you

[arctic talon]

Aeronautica the one goddamn place where Xenos got the same ammount of model releases as imperials

[storm jungle]

You LOVE to see it

[arctic talon]

Chaos got the short end of the stick

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

in Aeronautica ironically lol

its pretty funny

they had 0 releases

despite having rules

now granted they were confirmed to be next after Orks

except they killed the game after orks

[storm jungle]

yeah uh

so much for that

[arctic talon]

unironically a huge L lol

but it prolly wasn't selling

probably bcs its a niche game within another niche game within a niche hobby

[storm jungle]

now it will sell

because people love generic humans

not even being sarcastic, they do

[crystal forum]

i love generic humans

[storm jungle]

also like Imperial aircraft is just boring imo

i love the thunderhawk but the others yeah

[crystal forum]

they make me feel powerful because i can control their small lives

[arctic talon]

lmao

[storm jungle]

wow ok Patrick Bateman

[arctic talon]

ngl the aeronautica minis were gorgeous

like unironically some of the best sculpting at that scale

[crystal forum]

and planes suck in 40k

it's like GW hates flying

[arctic talon]

planes suck in every goddamn game GW has made after 6e 40k lol

They really hate them on the tabletop

also the box for CWE vs Marines in aeronautica being called Wrath of Angels was fun lol

[viral halo]

Lmao like yea I’ll spend 50 bucks on tiny pieces of plastic smaller than a penny and blow out my eyes edge highlighting them with a blade of wheat

[arctic talon]

I'm not touching anything epic related

except the rules book which I prolly will pirate

[crystal forum]

oh i just understood why aero failed

there's no space marines

[arctic talon]

there were

There was literally an Eldar vs Space marines box called Wrath of Angels

[crystal forum]

ew

[arctic talon]

Also for some reason salamanders were chosen as the poster child faction of aeronautica marines

bit of a wierd choice

but meh

[viral halo]

Crazy how 0 ppl bought or played aero

[keen stratus]

Ok dilara, after elitwolf explained me the drawbacks and counter effects of being a khornate, i now understand why you say that you feel like one as a discord mod

[arctic talon]

💀

She's going to kill maim and burn us

[nocturne crest]

Should have gone with White Scars or Iron Hands.

Then again, aren't space marine space craft not piloted by marines but by Serfs?

[arctic talon]

It depends

the ones in aeronautica are piloted by marines

[queen laurel]

Space marines that primarily use flamethrowers are the ones that you put in the air?

Bit questionable but i've seen more questionable things

[echo vault]

What about if I buy a stormbird huh what then

[echo vault]

Because salamanders would also have xiphon fighters due to being master craftsman and maintainers of old pieces

Or something about being bright green instead of moody dark angels green or other colors for color schemes and advertising models IDK maybe the colors for salamanders highlights smol details idfl

[crystal forum]

they'll have a lot of fuel, that's for sure

[queen laurel]

That is true

[crystal forum]

https://youtube.com/shorts/P-QtT0pjqf8?feature=share

[celest dome]

Is Dilara_CC out Witchfinder Dilara ?

[storm jungle]

Yes

why do you ask

[celest dome]

Oh nothing

nothing at all

[storm jungle]

WHY DO YOU ASK

[celest dome]

Nothing

[storm jungle]

Bastard

[celest dome]

👐

Mercy

Pls

mercy

[storm jungle]

:|

[celest dome]

Just saw one of your post, which I fully agree with i will say

[storm jungle]

Lmao which one buddy

[near wasp]

Answer wisely

[celest dome]

13th crusade one

[storm jungle]

Lmao dude

its been 1 hour*

Guard fans are extremely easy to please

[celest dome]

True

I did like your Titan/Knight one too

[near wasp]

I had found dilaras twitter at some point, at least im pretty sure its hers

[storm jungle]

Theres a few accounts named Dilara in general which surprised me

but like, its a famous persian name i guess so 💀

[storm jungle]

Thanks bud, that was actually fun to do

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/Dmp0cEBjaX0 the krule boys are definitely appealing

[green loom]

h2o Dilara

Also hi I've been harvesting wax all day

[storm jungle]

my condolences

[green loom]

I can say now that those videos of random guys putting their hands into bee nests is a lot less impressive after sitting in a swarm of them for 12 hours

[near wasp]

The video of the man grabbing a wasps nest and crushing it with his bare hands is still one of the most impressive things ive seen

[green loom]

[wooden ridge]

I am looking forward to the game

[queen laurel]

Do you guys think we will see the planet where the tyranids evolved from

It's mostly curiosity,

what type of planet would evolve these types of monstrosities

[nocturne crest]

Crab planet.

[near wasp]

Probably not cpnsidering they are from outside the galaxy

[queen laurel]

Whatever their original habitat was, it was probably the most brutal place known to the universe to evolve creatures like that

[near wasp]

Its nothing but a barren rock now

[queen laurel]

Probably

[storm jungle]

The origin of the Nids will definitely one day be revealed

because GW is unoriginal and always never lets anything be a mystery unless its a footnote entry in some book or codex.

[queen laurel]

Then they just show an image of detroit

[storm jungle]

lmao

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSLmWhgMm4E&ab_channel=RavicMegandr

Wait wrong universe

Whoops

[green loom]

Hmm

I think the voice of the Commissar in Dawn of War may have voiced M Bison in the old street fighter comic

[crimson kayak]

Meanwhile the rogue trader guards in that same game being blue and white cadians

[coarse pumice]

what does the tactical bib do?

[celest dome]

Special bib ?

[winter vessel]

If you were to give these guys a job application they'd fill out every category box with "WOLF" written in them.

[near wasp]

Vulfbad

[queen laurel]

Ok i may not like the space wolves but not going to lie i will definitely pay a decent amount of money to see them have a cavalry battle with the beast snaggas

[arctic talon]

I low key want it to just be natural evolution on some godforsaken death world in some galaxy tbh

Would be funny

[storm jungle]

same

[brittle minnow]

i have a qustion what the impirium can do to keep the inqisetors accountable and not become corrupt not in tge senns of falling to chaos but being corrupt and abusing there athorety ?

[hollow lantern]

Inquisitors police eachother

There's kinda a "first among equals" type of a deal with lord inquisitors tho

[green loom]

There's a lot of inquisitors, and generally there's some that keep tabs on each other and then kill each other if things get bad enough

It's just the Puritan-Radical life cycle

[crimson kayak]

Watch how this bug learns mitosis and conquers the galaxies

[crimson kayak]

Other inquisitors, can't trust no one so why should I trust my colleagues

[brittle minnow]

so the fact that inqisetors dont trast each other can prevent the occorncs of rouge inaisetors stlling a ton of money or terning some pleaser world into a plant size epstin islend specil ?

[crimson kayak]

Wait wait wait

I can understand English not being your first language but I literally can't understand what you are asking lol

[celest dome]

I don't think English isn't his 1st language

But he doesn't care

[crimson kayak]

Oh wait, managed to decipher it, first off inquisitors don't really have a need for money, they are quite literally above conventional law, also for the second one as long as a planet pays his tithes and doesn't fall to heretics and xeno's it's all good

[near wasp]

The imperium as a whole can look over minor infractions if your paying taxes. But if your not paying your not living

[celest dome]

Nagash is much stricter on the taxation

[storm jungle]

Inquisitors cannot do shit like that

If they do they'd be instantly ousted lol

[brittle minnow]

good to know

[storm jungle]

[near wasp]

Inquistors can label other inquistors excommunicat traitorous

And inquistors funtion off there reputation, the more rep you have the more power you have

[crimson kayak]

Bold of you to think they would do anything in public, especially if radical

[crisp heath]

Aren't pleasure worlds basically epstein islands anyway

[celest dome]

Most likley

[winter vessel]

my first association of the term

[near wasp]

Apperently slanesh cults are rare but i doubt that

[arctic talon]

Pretty much

But it depends

Some of them are just like normal creepy

And some are just very nice worlds

[crisp heath]

I mean slaanesh is only if you want more than you can currently attain. If you get to certain level of depravity and are like "yeah, this is about how much I want. Any more would gross even me out." You won't be joining a slaanesh cult.

[arctic talon]

But there’s almost certainly crap like Epstein island

As an entire world

[crimson kayak]

This, it may sound strange but the majority of people don't actually like going too over the top

And so they are both not interested in joining the Cult of always going over the top

And Slaneesh not being really interested in them, unless they can be tempted toward actually going over said top

[crisp heath]

I'm sure there are most imperial nobles have a personal harem, collect art, and use drugs. Slaanesh cultists would do shit like encasing their personal harem in plaster and using their frozen hands as shelves for their opium pipe collection.

[arctic talon]

Tbh slaanesh cultists start off

Benign

And it just gets worse and worse

It could just be a club for eating nice food at first

But eventually they start like kidnapping orphans to eat alive

[crimson kayak]

Ye but you also have to count everyone that at one point or another would go "Wait this may be a bit too fucked up for my taste"

But to be perfectly honest, those who say so very rarely survive to get out and talk about it

[green loom]

Wanna make a uhhh

Criminal syndicate thing

Lead by a night lord

[rose thorn]

What the fuck does being a scientist mean in 40k when you can’t like, do anything with out 3 or more major political factions up your ass

[arctic talon]

You’re more of an archeologist usually

[rose thorn]

Researcher? Researching what a bolt round to the back of the skull

[arctic talon]

You go looking for stuff

[rose thorn]

Oh fair

[arctic talon]

And you figure out how much of it is usable info

And figure out how to apply it

[rose thorn]

I was thinking about the uh, twisted helix

[arctic talon]

To existing technology or assembly lines

Also research into diseases and stuff still happens

Or what the best way to plant this new potato thing is

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[nocturne crest]

Are the Horus worshipping inquisitors still around in the 40k setting?

[celest dome]

Were they worshipping him ? Not something else ?

Horusian or something

[crimson kayak]

Tbf if you are in the mechanicum you always have someone up your ass too

And that's basically, 90% of imperial mechanical science guys

[celest dome]

Or you make thing then make them artificially age/dusty

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Inventing in the admech is like

An open secret

Almost everyone does it

But they don’t say shit

And pretend they found a damaged stc

[crimson kayak]

Also yeah that, just invent stuff and go "Yep, dark age of tech alright guys? Yeah it's the last byproduct of a defunct stc right boys?

[arctic talon]

Yeah I found this when digging on Armageddon in the uh South Pole

[green loom]

Creating variants of stuff is perfectly legal iirc

[crimson kayak]

Then you have guys like cawl and and the perpetual motion chicken walker inventor just building stuff and not giving two fucks

[green loom]

It just has to go through a beaurocratic hell gauntlet to be declared an "intentional part" of an STC

[crimson kayak]

Wich just to remind everyone he put a nuclear failsafe in case someone tried to open them

[arctic talon]

The perpetual motion machine did get declared kosher tbf

[celest dome]

After they killed the dude though

[arctic talon]

We don’t know how he died

It’s literally a mystery

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/inquisition-symbol-warhammer40k-imperium-of-man-gif-15421385

[crimson kayak]

Wich just adds to the long list of "you invented stuff but have our approval anyway"

[arctic talon]

Unironically might have been lol

[crimson kayak]

Wich now that I think about it... An electro priest absorbing the motive force of an ironstrider would mean...
... UNLIMITED POWER

[nocturne crest]

Didn't the blood angels do that?

[arctic talon]

No they just found an stc refused to hand it over and almost caused a war

[nocturne crest]

Huh.

I'm surprised Admech haven't tried blackmailing the BA for the STC.

[storm jungle]

Blackmailing a Founding Legion is a very stupid thing to do

it will ruin your reputation as a forgeworld

[near wasp]

Best you can do is try an negotiate

[frosty stag]

Are there smart ogryn?

[near wasp]

The ogryn in game is probably one of the smartest there is

[frosty stag]

Damn ok

[near wasp]

They are extremely stupid

[storm jungle]

Realistically speaking yes.

Ogryns that are under imperial "captivity" tend to be dumb because the Imperium keeps them that way.

Ogryns aren't mentally impaired more just kept at a child-like state, the Necromunda books has one Ogryn whos basically smarter than an average person but hides it because he knows if he shows too much intelligence people will be onto him.

[frosty stag]

Oh damn

[storm jungle]

yeah dont believe the memes too much

ogryn stupidity just gets played up for comedy most of the time

not all of them are like that

[nocturne crest]

Have the Iron Warriors ever tried to siege Necromunda?

[crimson kayak]

... Why would they?

[nocturne crest]

Isn't it the second place after Terra where the Imperial fists recruit from?

[storm jungle]

Imperial Fists recruit from everywhere

the Iron Warriors also tend to raid the caches of any Marine chapter, Fists usually dont fall on their radar unless its a targeted attack or concidence which they dont want to waste time with since most Chaos Marine forces are pirates activity wise

[nocturne crest]

Ah.

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[nocturne crest]

Does that include ULTRAMAR?

[storm jungle]

Yep lol

they need any gene-seed and supplies they can usually get as a warband

the grind never stops

[nocturne crest]

Should give them back their ballisks on the table.

[winter vessel]

Imagine being a citizen in Ultramar and instead getting recruited by the typical Boys in Blue Astartes you get the Banana Painted looking Giants who like fortifying.

[nocturne crest]

That is slightly funny.

Even more so if it was the Black Templars.

Also, I have had a thought. Would anyone here approve if the SoB received some of the first born gear, such as land raiders and Storm Talons or land speeders?

[arctic talon]

honestly I wouldn't care from a lore or tabletop perspective I'd just want it to be ecclesiarchied up

bcs it would be boring as shit to just have them be recolored with some symbols on them

like this is so much more then a black Rhino

[nocturne crest]

Like Servo-skull bombs.

[arctic talon]

Nah thats just a general imperial thing

I want like religous iconography all over it

maybe some guy getting tortured to death

like this thing

is technically just a predator equivelent

[storm jungle]

Was about to mention that yeah lmao

[arctic talon]

but it looks nothing like a predator lol

[nocturne crest]

Like a penitent engine, that is also a tank.

[arctic talon]

I want that sort of deal going on

[arctic talon]

Tbh the ecclisarchy if they had land speeders would absolutely chain a heretic to the bottom

so their skin gets shreded off

by the grav generator kicking up rocks

[storm jungle]

but yeah SoB usually get their own gear due to tabletop reasons

it makes it "their" iconic unit etc

easier marketing wise

[nocturne crest]

The Heretics could be like sandbag armour.

[arctic talon]

lol

but SoB should get the land raider tbh

[storm jungle]

Ye the Land Raider can mostly be gotten by Admech, Inquisitors and such

SoB are not that out of the realm of possibility

[arctic talon]

tbh Land Raiders feel more like a they have it in lore

sort of deal

[storm jungle]

but from a tabletop POV (which is how GW does it) idk if they need one

[arctic talon]

yeah they don't really need a bigger transport

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[arctic talon]

lmfao

[storm jungle]

Road Warrior my beloved

[winter vessel]

I figured a penitent engine was meant for that role.

[arctic talon]

Those are just to torture people to death while killing as much as possible

[nocturne crest]

Strap some heretics to the front of a landspeeder like this.

Or a holy corpse relic.

[arctic talon]

Lol

[winter vessel]

So wait what’s that one with the turret on it? I’ve never seen that before. Only an SOB rhino

[arctic talon]

Castigator

It’s a predator equivalent

It also ate a fat nerf in 10e

[winter vessel]

I still like the one that has a giant Organ on it

[arctic talon]

Yeah that one is super fun

[winter vessel]

Just the level of absurdity to kill things

[storm jungle]

Excuse me guys

[winter vessel]

Music

[storm jungle]

which Castigator

🤓

[arctic talon]

The battle tank 🤓

[storm jungle]

god i hate GW

who the fuck names this many things after the same shit

[arctic talon]

I’ve never heard of that bolt pistol

Why does it even have lore

[arctic talon]

That’s a few too many guns

But yeah that vibe

[winter vessel]

This is the equivalent of A Bachelorette party bus in 40k

[arctic talon]

It’s pretty bad I can recognize what kits were used lol

[storm jungle]

bruh

i thought that was a baneblade

what the fuck did they do to that poor landraider

lmao

[arctic talon]

Stick a bunch of castigator turrets on, the junith mini and

A lot of other stuff

[storm jungle]

its awful

like they should have done it on a bigger vehicle

it looks so cramped

[arctic talon]

Also fun fact did you know sister of silence armor looks like dark eldar armor

[winter vessel]

It’s like they Sororitas were arguing with each other and one of them kept saying” WE’LL ALL FIT! Now get on!”

[arctic talon]

For the legs and chest area lol

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/195404877688602624/1134615323300073512/udcvup9pji851.png

[nocturne crest]

how about this concept of a SoB land raider?

[arctic talon]

No

[winter vessel]

Idk about that one chief

[arctic talon]

Way too much stuff on top

It also avoids using the sponsons for some reason

Which is way more work for GW

[storm jungle]

the roof is what ruins it

[arctic talon]

I’d be fine with just an accessory pack

[storm jungle]

its almost good

[arctic talon]

Upgrade sprues go a long way

Imo

[winter vessel]

But I love how they managed to fit in one tiny skull on the roof just to get that included

[arctic talon]

People always underestimate how good they are at making things look distinct

Bcs the castigator and predator both use the same kit technically

The difference is the castigator has an upgrade sprue

[storm jungle]

I remember when Auspex made a vid about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2anyfVpoBuQ

It makes a lot of good points

but also like its kinda fine because it just shows GW's uncreativeness in the mini unit department a bit lol

[arctic talon]

Tbh they might get some more unique stuff soon

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[arctic talon]

Mostly since we’ve seen GW is willing to experiment

[storm jungle]

Sisters fed REALLY well in 8th and 9th edition, well deserved imo

[arctic talon]

Despite some experiments being in

[storm jungle]

they were ignored for like

how many fucking years?

[arctic talon]

questionable

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

21 years

Lol

[storm jungle]

Yep

like

their models were fugly as shit holy hell

[arctic talon]

Only army that was full metal

And still playable

💀

[storm jungle]

I mean

Women

[arctic talon]

They got a much needed lifeline

[storm jungle]

also yeah the sister update was like

a groundbreaking event and reveal

[arctic talon]

Huge

[storm jungle]

yep

was a massive deal

[arctic talon]

It literally updated the whole line to plastic

Except for the forgeworld transport

[storm jungle]

yeah it was like the first of its kind to do such a thing

[arctic talon]

Which was discontinued

Tbh GW is almost done updating all the old as hell minis

Which feels weird to think about

[storm jungle]

that and killing off most of them which is good

get the firstborn out

[arctic talon]

All that’s left is aspect warriors + Phoenix lords, druhkari archon court stuff, tau auxiliaries and catachan

[storm jungle]

lmao

xenos

[arctic talon]

Kek

Oh

[storm jungle]

actually sorry

[arctic talon]

I forgor grey knights

Lmao

[storm jungle]

LEL

was gonna literally say

[arctic talon]

They still need an update

[storm jungle]

its not xenos

its literally

anyone that isnt space marines

[arctic talon]

Nids are eating good

Nowadays

[storm jungle]

fr fr

both in the smut AND mini department

We are deploying even more Neurolictor NSFW as we speak

[nocturne crest]

Did you bring enough for the whole class?

[storm jungle]

Not yet

give it time

[arctic talon]

Tbh

What else needs updating in nids

Warriors I guess?

But their sculpt is pretty new

It’s 6e

[storm jungle]

lets take a look

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/searchResults?N=2562756967+77492817

uhhh

JESUS christ

[arctic talon]

Oh

I forgot they existed

Ngl

[nocturne crest]

I imagine this is what Fulgrim's offspring would look like.

[storm jungle]

honestly

a lot of these seem fine?

like they dont look too awful

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Ravner and tyrant guard are kinda ugly

But like meh

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

What about it lol

Oh

[storm jungle]

yeah...

💀

[arctic talon]

[nocturne crest]

Huh. The Imperial Guard used to use the rhino in the early days?

[storm jungle]

Also ye

Rhinos were like

[arctic talon]

Everyone did lol

[storm jungle]

used by eveyone

yep

LMAO

Even Eldar Harlequins etc

it was hilarious

[arctic talon]

Eldar, orks

Yeah

[storm jungle]

its mostly because like

it was the only existing APC vehicle

[arctic talon]

Expensive to make back then

As well lol

[storm jungle]

Yup

now GW has more resources for diversity

[arctic talon]

They literally couldn’t afford to produce more then just the land raider and rhino for vehicles

[nocturne crest]

And the land raider as well?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

GW literally used to be like

15 British guys in a basement lol

[storm jungle]

It takes a lot to make a stew

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/toomanycooks-killer-gif-3577067

[arctic talon]

The funniest thing about GW is their old like

Dnd minis

And supplements lol

[storm jungle]

oh man

now those are a time-capsule lol

[fallen river]

So question, people tend to undershot and attribute the population of the imperium in the billions but how would that make sense when a single hive city on necromundas planet house a pop of 11 billion? Do we have any more accurate numbers on the populous of the imperium

[nocturne crest]

Too many cooks, too many cooks.

[arctic talon]

Really funny seeing the CITADEL or games workshop branding

[storm jungle]

We dont.

[arctic talon]

The imperium has over quadrillions of people in it lol

[fallen river]

Who made 40k as a insult joke to fascism

[arctic talon]

There’s multi quadrillion on terra alone

After a famine

That killed a huge chunk of the population

[fallen river]

Ive seen many people say that, it sucs

[arctic talon]

40K is still insulting fascism

The imperium is a hell hole

[nocturne crest]

Well, now GW could go back and make IG take Rhinos and Land Raiders.

[fallen river]

Everyone is fascist in 40k even the orks very marhinally

[arctic talon]

I think guard players would rather blow their own brains out then take them

[fallen river]

Marginally*

[nocturne crest]

Because more tanks for the tank army.

[arctic talon]

Certain eldar craftworlds aren’t

[crystal forum]

i hear trillions a lot of times in stories

[arctic talon]

And then like

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically its the writers not putting things into account.

Space is big.

So are planets.

Just make your own assumptions and you'll be more correct

[arctic talon]

There’s some that are Uber facist lol

[fallen river]

Theyre eldar they have their own problems

[arctic talon]

Beil tan 💀

[storm jungle]

yeah the main fascism point is the Imperium

but uh

back in the day

[arctic talon]

I hope you like a military junta

Of hell

[storm jungle]

orks literally had nazi units

lmao

[arctic talon]

Klans

[storm jungle]

Stormboyz arent called Stormboyz because they had jetpacks

💀

[arctic talon]

They’re were called Klans

[storm jungle]

YEP

Also the symbol for "orky" was a fucking swastika

[arctic talon]

I’m glad they toned down the edge

On orks

[fallen river]

Killa khans are still really funny, a rabbid mini ork in a mech with little man syndrome

[arctic talon]

The imperium has to have quadrillions imo

Because a single hive city

[crystal forum]

if we're comparing real ideologies to fiction, the imperium is still the one that most closely resembles fascism in terms of viewing a race as objectively superior to others. you can't get any more fasc than that

[arctic talon]

Is said to have more people in it then Tau in an entire sept

TLDR imperium big

It very big

[crystal forum]

even the tau are a lot more lenient and less speciesist than humanity

[fallen river]

The tau do still have their own very bug problems

[storm jungle]

Yeah Tau are bad but nowhere near as the Imperium

[arctic talon]

The tau are meant to be a more real and modern evil

Imo

[storm jungle]

^

[crystal forum]

they're bad but in their own ways

[fallen river]

Rigid caste system, quelling of individual voices and some other severe issues

[arctic talon]

They feel vaguely familiar

In how they act

Their policies

Their ideology

They literally practice “benevolent” colonialism

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, the only faction that could be morally good is the Farsight Enclave.

[fallen river]

My friend has equated the tau governmental system to ancient Indian governments

[crystal forum]

if every faction was bad in the same manner then it wouldn't be grimdark, it would be grimboring

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

No no, its feudal theocratic oligarchy dude, they aren't fascists at all believe me, i read it on reddit

The Imperium literally has genetic superiority propaganda and death camps btw

[arctic talon]

I like my different flavors of awful

[arctic talon]

It is technically more of a theocratic oligarchy

But it shares so much with facism

[storm jungle]

death

[arctic talon]

It’s pretty much impossible to deny it is facist

[storm jungle]

Also yeah like i never understand why people say that, its as if it lowers the Imperium's warcrimes lmao

[arctic talon]

The only thing that isn’t facist is all power being held by one person

[storm jungle]

"No no its theocratic"

ok but like

[arctic talon]

Theocratic hell scape

[storm jungle]

they still genocide billions of their own daily

so uh yeah

[fallen river]

The mechanicus are theocratic/technocratic meritocracies

[crystal forum]

it's a fictional political identity

[arctic talon]

That also lol

[storm jungle]

Yep lol

[arctic talon]

What the imperium is has never existed irl

Thank fuck

[fallen river]

And by God the mechanicus are just as bad as chaos in some instances

[arctic talon]

But it takes so many different awful things

[storm jungle]

Mechanicus i love

because like

[arctic talon]

Mechanicus are so evil

I love them

[storm jungle]

its like dark eldar, you cannot defend them

they are fucking hilarious

LMAO

[fallen river]

Theyre smart dumbasses

[storm jungle]

"Im gonna make you a servitor because you tried to steal bread for your family."

[arctic talon]

Some tech priest kidnaps a worker bcs they’re bored

[keen stratus]

I mean, can you defend someone in warhammer?

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[arctic talon]

Interex

[storm jungle]

Lmao

pour one out for my boys

[arctic talon]

Pre daot humanity

[storm jungle]

🥃

[arctic talon]

Uhhh

[fallen river]

We actually have a measure of what can turn you to a servitor from the master of mankind book, killing a forge warden in a riot

[arctic talon]

Eldar empire during the war in heaven

[crystal forum]

orks don't have a concept of morality so they're quite literally above our understanding

[storm jungle]

Yeah it tends to be almost any pointless crime

[storm jungle]

Orks have morality

they actively take joy in being sadistic

[arctic talon]

Tbh usually it’s just execution

Servitorization is expensive

But if they have the resources

[crystal forum]

that's not morality

[storm jungle]

That shows they are entirely aware of what they are doing

[arctic talon]

Into the lobotomiznator 9000 you go

[storm jungle]

Orks also round up and enslave humans and fatten them up to eat them among other things.

[crystal forum]

but they don't see it as bad or good. just as something that's pleasurable

[fallen river]

Zael effrineti boy was brought into drugs instead of getting paid saw both his grandmother and sister die got dragged into ravenors shit and helped save the imperium at 14, then became a grey knight and screwed over angron

[storm jungle]

Its still pretty morality based imo, orks show other emotions besides that

they are basic but cognitive

[arctic talon]

Orks know what they’re doing is wrong often times

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

They just find it too fun to stop

[storm jungle]

That lol

[fallen river]

Ork society doesn't have a term by human standards since its so inhuman in how it works

[arctic talon]

I.E mek boyz try their best to wrangle orks to actually like

[storm jungle]

I mean

[arctic talon]

Do menial jobs

[storm jungle]

we say inhuman

Enter Ghenghis Khan

[arctic talon]

Instead of making each other do the burny dance

Which is

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/pushsupreme-mongoliamode-mongolia-supreme-mongolian-gif-25189013

[arctic talon]

setting another ork on fire

Slowly

Repeatedly

While they’re tied down

[nocturne crest]

So what flavour of communism is the red Gobbo?

[storm jungle]

Basic communism

[keen stratus]

If i get to choose my flavour of evil, i want sex drugs and rock and roll

[storm jungle]

he wants gobbo rights

literally

[arctic talon]

The red gobbo is like

[fallen river]

Slaneesh is more flaying yourself for fun then sex

[arctic talon]

Low on the evil scale

[crystal forum]

back in the good old days where you could invade most of the developped world without getting hit by a cruise missile and 10 different country's special forces units

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

Gold

[storm jungle]

I do love how most history is like

[keen stratus]

https://youtu.be/sjQ0b9MoMXQ

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

"Im sorry for what oru ancestors did"

Mongols:

[nocturne crest]

https://tenor.com/view/i-would-hit-that-strike-beat-punch-dont-messed-up-withe-me-gif-15762756