40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yeah

like in Brutal Kunnin Ufthak kills a warlord titan by just jumping onto it and climbing to its cockpit and killing the entire crew

[queen laurel]

way And the way he passed by the shield was

" OLD ON A MINUTE, I'Z GOT AN IDEA"

He literally teleported inside the shield

Which was pretty smart of him

I'm surprised the Titan doesn't have any anti infantry sabotage defense system

[storm jungle]

It USUALLY does

but titan security is made by secutarii or other titans

in this case this one just sucked i guess

[queen laurel]

And if I remember the support Titans of the warlord was fighting the great gargant

[storm jungle]

Yep

but tbh even if they werent i kinda doubt they'd even see Ufthak

and like what happens if he does see it

[queen laurel]

They would be too focused trying to get rid of the main green skin force

[storm jungle]

shoot a volcano cannon on your buddy titan?

[storm jungle]

also yep

[queen laurel]

if you do that get ready to be turned into ash

[storm jungle]

yeah and also the entire thing with Brutal Kunnin was the head-boss admech guy is a fucking moron that constantly does wrong decisions

[queen laurel]

You mean the one in the titan?

[storm jungle]

the head techpriest guy

Illutar was his name i think?

who constantly goes "orks are animals we're gonna be fine stop worrying"

[queen laurel]

yes sir, didn't you notice that they can teleport their giant artillery fortress to wherever place they want to

[storm jungle]

I love how when they do that one other techpriest just goes "WE NEED TO CAPTURE THAT GARGANT"

Bitch are you for real

💀

[queen laurel]

I mean you can reverse ork tech

But for the imperiums case I don't see them using that anytime soon

the tau found some use for ork tech that they reverse engineered

[storm jungle]

its more that you are in the middle of a war that you are actively losing even with titans on the field.

last thing id allow if i was the head-man is sending some troops to slowly take over an ork gargant of all things 💀

[queen laurel]

I agree it is not worth trying to obtain such dangerous weaponry especially the fact that it's firing at your units position

[storm jungle]

that too lmao

[queen laurel]

also the fact that your fighting orks that are smarter than average are not gonna help your case

And one of them found a way inside your shiny toys

[storm jungle]

the entire book is basically a disaster for them its great

[queen laurel]

That's the thing, orks are often underestimated for being simple, but they don't need to be fancy, if it works it works so they say

You might be laughing now that they just keep charging your gun line but if they teleport a giant war machine right on top of your base you are not gonna be laughing anytime soon

[storm jungle]

yeah its great

[queen laurel]

That's why I love orks, they are one of those few armies that can be quite impractical but if they become practical Jesus Christ what happened to your planet

[storm jungle]

As you can see they just wanna do some bing chilling and have fun

[queen laurel]

it's definitely fun to watch a great gargant squish anything beneath it with superior firepower

[storm jungle]

Man i should play some modded matches again

[queen laurel]

This is unification

It's pretty fun but some of the models are questionable

Hell they even include ones that you can only really find on short stories like this sister of battle

apparently it's the iconoclast

[storm jungle]

Oh based

im not usually the biggest fan because they kinda look weird

[queen laurel]

I kid you not the chaos assassin is straight up yor forgor from spy family

[crimson kayak]

god i hate that it looks like one of those animated manwha video's

[crimson kayak]

dude it's literally named the thorn princess

[queen laurel]

I know i know

[crimson kayak]

it literally only lacks the hairpin weapon thingies lol

[queen laurel]

Yep

I don't mind it but holy crap they didn't even plan to be subtle with it

[storm jungle]

god

i hate the female models like this the most

you can tell the mods are coomers

[queen laurel]

I will give them credit where credit is due but there are obvious models that are made for you know eyes

Especially the slannesh ones

[storm jungle]

the slaanesh ones are just awful

[queen laurel]

All of them are just female beauty models

[crimson kayak]

i'll just say it takes a certain passion to make it so your character literally only uses boob cup armour

also random rant but i always hated the weapon coming out of the wrist trope

they got hands let them use shit properly

[near wasp]

punch knives are a better weapon than wrist blades because at least you can stop using the knife

[storm jungle]

punch-stab weapons in general are one of those things where like

it looks silly? Put its actually incredibly useful lmao

[queen laurel]

Also cutting your limbs and turning them into a weapon is a better option

[green loom]

There's an actual yor forger in the game

[arctic talon]

Great value callidus assasin

[celest dome]

Wouldn't Yor Forger be closer to an Eversor ? And the dude being a Callidus ?

[arctic talon]

I’m more so talking about the design of the assasin having an arm mounted blade and a gun

But yes

[green loom]

Almost all the unif mod factions have some

[plush mason]

how big are those quad cannons?

ofc the imperium has orbital defense cannons that basically just yeet small asteroids at spaceships

[storm jungle]

About the size of a normal AA battery, you can see them in Darktide too

[plush mason]

mofo Ogame gauss cannons lol

[plush mason]

then they had to be very close to the front or that hive was really small

[storm jungle]

its a cartoon

so its stylized

[plush mason]

true

[plush mason]

yeah i love that our side turns them into anti ground turrets

because the 6th have no airpower

[storm jungle]

yeee its great

[plush mason]

like that one assassination where you start on the bridge

2 leman russ demos and a skyfire pointed down the stretch makes it beyond suicidal to try and attack that point

[storm jungle]

Yeah but remember those guys are PDF, even Zola says it might look impressive but it wouldnt take much to sweep it away either.

[plush mason]

true

tho knowing how demo cannons work they could likely just level the bridge before the 6th reach the barracades

[storm jungle]

also true

[plush mason]

btw. you think Gryndal is keeping the situation on Atoma hidden from the wider imperium and thats why they only sent the morningstar

[celest dome]

Nah, they tried to get help and nobody answered

[plush mason]

rip

Gryndal forgot to grind their rep

[queen laurel]

Considering the current state of the imperium it would be pretty normal to get ignored

[plush mason]

true

[queen laurel]

Unless you're a very high priority world you are not receiving shit

Hope the local planetary defense force can stomp out the problem

[celest dome]

Grendyl

[plush mason]

thanks lol

[celest dome]

The Imperium at the moment is really stretched for ressources

[plush mason]

ofc

its been ripped in half along with the rest of the galaxy

[queen laurel]

Yeah like the NCR in fallout new Vegas, since the legion is striking from everywhere they are very stretched

But also you add the fact that even they kill each other over disagreements

The inquisition deeming you heretics because you do not agree with them

[plush mason]

tbf so did the NCR lol. if they wherent trying to off themselves for fear of the legion

[queen laurel]

You know fun stuff

[queen laurel]

Brother in Christ the commander was incompetent as shit

[plush mason]

that dude they had running the nuke plant just showed how incompetent the NCR was lol

[queen laurel]

They literally make you fix all of their problems if it weren't for that I'm pretty sure they would be killed when legion attacked

I fixed their power plant I fixed their camp problems

So don't blame me for turning your president into molten ash the next playthrough with an orbital laser

[plush mason]

and thats why i sided with ether house or myself lol. both the NCR an the Legion where bad deals

[queen laurel]

The NCR are your basic ruling government but the fact that they don't care for their workers is already a big ass problem, the legion is the legion

I will not make any more reasons as to why they are very self-explanatory

[plush mason]

yup

[crystal forum]

i sided with easy pete

[forest orbit]

Easy Pete is a man of his own league

[queen laurel]

How much you bet he will become the most terrifying powder ganger

[forest orbit]

Only time shall tell

[crystal forum]

so the next siege of terra book is coming next week

[forest orbit]

Wait it is?

I haven't been following da news

[crystal forum]

i've been following just for the 10th stuff coming out

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/23/sunday-preview-wade-into-warcry-with-starter-sets-and-warbands/

[forest orbit]

bro

Angels of Death AGAIN?

YEET

[forest orbit]

Also very nice

Wait "first part"

isnt this just the released book? Im confused

[shadow plover]

The vol 1 will be now released as paperback, vol 2 is around November if the rumours are to be trusted

[forest orbit]

Damn it

Back to waiting i guess

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-time-gif-25989081

[nocturne crest]

Why wait, when you can raid?

[forest orbit]

Maybe later

[nocturne crest]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-dawn-of-war3-dawn-of-war3-space-marine-blood-ravens-gif-21111982

[crimson kayak]

Yooo white scars codex let's go

[forest orbit]

Who?

Oh thats an old one

[crimson kayak]

Oh sad

[forest orbit]

Yeaaah its like... let me check

[crimson kayak]

I really was in need of more white scars related stuff

[forest orbit]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Codices_(List)

Alright lets see here, I remember that cover

There it is, 7th edition

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats the one, you can tell from the older mid 2000's art style

[crimson kayak]

Also yeah I'm dumb I just noticed that's a firstborn in the cover

[crystal forum]

i love the 2000's windows vista generated computer art

[winter vessel]

oh wow i didn't know flesh tearers got their own codex.

[arctic talon]

It’s a codex supplement

So you had to buy it and the blood angels book

[winter vessel]

talk about strings attached.

[arctic talon]

Meh it’s the usual

[winter vessel]

As someone who’s not well versed in the codexes, has their been instances where a book has been issued for a group but doesn’t have their own individual minis?

[storm jungle]

I mean

you should have been around when GW was doing codexes on mobile format.

[arctic talon]

No

There used to be rules for minis that didn’t exist

But GW stopped doing that after chapter house flew too close to the sun

shot themselves in the head and GW in the foot lol

[green loom]

Watched someone go on a very long tangent about blanks and something related to physics and...... actually I'm not even sure

[arctic talon]

[green loom]

Were you reading

[arctic talon]

You said you wanted to see a shit storm lol

[arctic talon]

No

I don’t engage with that person

[green loom]

Oh are they known for this

[arctic talon]

Bcs they always make conversations go in. Circles

Yes

[green loom]

lel

[crimson kayak]

Wait what's chapter house

[arctic talon]

Company that made models for things that had rules but no mini

and used the actual names

GW sent them a C&D and then sued them when they wanted to fight it in court

[storm jungle]

And after that every 3rd company just learned:

"Instead of catachan lets just call them Spacenam minis"

and so on

its a hilarious loophole but also works

[arctic talon]

tbh GW also doesn't want another chapterhouse situation to happen

bcs they aren't allowed to make rules for things that don't exist anymore

and who knows the fuck is gona happen next lol

[crimson kayak]

Wich tbh, makes sense

[arctic talon]

I mean

its kind of an issue

bcs that also means they couldn't make rules for a bunch of old stuff they're no longer producing

which GW then found a loophole by doing MTO stuff

[storm jungle]

Also like

court houses usually find subjects like these fucking stupid too

[arctic talon]

yeah

[storm jungle]

like imagine you're a judge

handling this

[arctic talon]

No one wanted the lawsuit except for Chapterhouse ironically

who basicially said Come at us GW

and uh GW did that

and chapter house shut down anyways

so it was just a complete waste of time

[crimson kayak]

Ye but they reopened Im seeing

[coarse pumice]

Chapterhouse fiasco was the start of all the stupid naming

[arctic talon]

Yeah

that also

[storm jungle]

honestly

40k handled that fine imo

compared to AoS

[arctic talon]

I can't see any Chapter house stuff for sale

on any of the usual sites

[storm jungle]

Asuryani, Drukhari, Astra Militarum, Tempestus Scions, w/e

they sound cool

[arctic talon]

I think they're still dead

[storm jungle]

compared to fucking

Orruks

[arctic talon]

Oruuks

💀

[storm jungle]

Aelfs

Ogors

like STOP

[arctic talon]

Gargant is fine

[coarse pumice]

Ogors

[storm jungle]

yeah its a lot more on the nose there

[arctic talon]

Same with Grots

[coarse pumice]

Aelves

[arctic talon]

but holy fuck Aelfs and Ogors are

[storm jungle]

wait

[arctic talon]

Orruks is omega

[storm jungle]

did they copyright goblins to gobbos too

[arctic talon]

JUST USE ORKS

HOLY FUCK

[storm jungle]

YES

LIKE

[arctic talon]

they're called grotz

[storm jungle]

GOD

[arctic talon]

like the 40k stuff

[storm jungle]

honesly not too bad

[arctic talon]

THEY SHOULD HAVE CALLED ORCS ORKS

[storm jungle]

yeah in WHF they just named them all fantasy races

so no copyright

yeet

[arctic talon]

the way 40k handled the great copyrightening

namewise was a lot better

yeah chapter house reopened and fuckin died

kind of tragic

bcs their sculpts were really good

[storm jungle]

Yeah 40k ones like

literally just changed faction names

its why its less cringe

the in-universe people still use the term Eldar/Aeldari or Imperial Guard / Astra Militarum respectively because the authors dont give a fuck

in AoS its constant

[plush mason]

GW is obsessed with copyrighting stuff

[arctic talon]

Meh

They only started after chapterhouse

[plush mason]

i wonder what will happen if they run out of ideas for names lol

[arctic talon]

They won’t anytime soon

Especially since they don’t care about copyrighting unit names as much as they care about copyrighting the factions

[remote widget]

Are custodes landraiders manned by techmarines?

[arctic talon]

No but they share a kit with the marine land raider

So you get a tech marine lol

Same applies to the rhino

[remote widget]

I got one second hand with him already on there, but my painter has offered to remove him and seal the hatch

[remote widget]

Might be funny to stick a a SoS or something there

[storm jungle]

Custodes man all their vehicles themselves im pretty sure

[arctic talon]

They do

[storm jungle]

mostly because minus the Raider their vehicles are very advanced.

Then primaris came along

💀

[arctic talon]

Either that or it’s one of their slaves valued workers

The fact custodes don’t have a grav rhino

Is silly

[storm jungle]

they do in artwork

does that count

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

KEK

[arctic talon]

Also give sister of silence their Horus heresy units

I want the creepy grav tank

[storm jungle]

Also agreed

the dune worm tank is so good

[nocturne crest]

Would it make sense if you could field chapter serfs on the tabletop?

[celest dome]

For certain chapter sure. But they rarely appear cause SM book center around the SM only

[storm jungle]

Yeah theres nothing stopping serfs from fighting with SM

[echo vault]

I want to see custodes pilot armor so bad now

It'd be like Sagittarum guys

[storm jungle]

same

[echo vault]

Oh to be the pilot of an Orion dropship letting off my boys to the battlefield

[crystal forum]

to be fair

when will custodes need tanks

[arctic talon]

Sometimes

All custodes vehicles are transports anyways

[crystal forum]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Their tank can carry a bunch of guys in it

[storm jungle]

yeah its all about support

[arctic talon]

It’s a big armored thing to deliver them to an area to murder

[crystal forum]

anybody know anything about this minka lesk character

it's a militarum model so i kinda want it but at the same time i think cadia is overrated

[arctic talon]

She was one of the last set of white shield conscripts ever trained on Cadia and fought on it during the 13th black crusade before it fell apart. I think she's a sergent now and was last seen on Agripinaa while it was being invaded by chaos forces,

Thats all I really know lol

I've never read any of the books

so everything I know is like via osmosis lol

[storm jungle]

I have read em.

Shes a nice character but more or less just the "mean but likable rough sergeant".

[crystal forum]

how original

[arctic talon]

Guard characters in books don't have much variety of character unfortunately

especially officers

[crystal forum]

if it wasn't always cadians maybe

[arctic talon]

nah

Same applies to the Catachan devils book lol

the Sgt. is the mean but likeable archatype

[storm jungle]

read the book aptly titled Catachan Devil

literally the first page on the catachan character is

[arctic talon]

I have read it

[storm jungle]

THESE PEOPLE ARE SOFT

THEY ARE WEAK

IM STRONGER

IM FROM CATACHAN

ı get it

stfu

christ

[arctic talon]

It completely fufills all the Catachan stereotypes

[storm jungle]

100%

[arctic talon]

and guard book stereotypes

[storm jungle]

also making a fucking guy named Ted

an "honorary catachan"

[arctic talon]

the twist is fun though

[storm jungle]

💀

[arctic talon]

you know

with the whole like

thing

its not a great book

[storm jungle]

Its shit.

but like your average guard fanatic might love it

https://tenor.com/view/atst-rogue-one-star-wars-star-wars-gif-25085798

THEY MENTIONED THE LEMAN RUSS TANK

AND I CLAPPED

THEY SAID CADIA STANDS

I KNOW WHAT THAT IS

[arctic talon]

At the end of the day

it could be so much fucking worse

there are far worse guard books

and I'm happy that its just bad

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/redlettermedia-star-wars-rogue-one-gif-7590341

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

okay ill stop know

oh yeha also i forgot

we are getting a new book about the fall of cadia

even tho we already fucking had one

[arctic talon]

again

We had gathering storm

we had the fall of cadia book(it was bad)

and we're getting another one?

💀

[storm jungle]

Yep

i think this is more just

gonna focus on the characters and switch POVs more

also the author is actually good

I dont want to complain TOO much because Cadia Stands was also just a very boring book

[crystal forum]

imagine somehow making the fall of cadia a boring event

[arctic talon]

Cadia Stands is a bad book

bcs it also breaks existing canon

like that existed for several years

Pask was on Cadia and dies in that book

[crystal forum]

militarum seems to suffer from not having enough skilled writers who want to write for it

Dan seems content with his singular regiment

[arctic talon]

Yep

Its an issue a solid chunk of factions have

but its pretty aparant with guard with like how many bad writers they have

[echo vault]

They need to do like the guard in lore and hire a shit load of random people write things for the series and have it make no sense

[crystal forum]

this made me laugh

[arctic talon]

tbf its true tho

Magnus had like a trillion red flags

[crystal forum]

it's just funny how obvious it was

like what was he expecting

[arctic talon]

Everyone told him it was a bad idea

[crystal forum]

he was going through his rebellious teen phase

fuck weren't all primarchs basically teenagers in 30k

[arctic talon]

with the way they acted yeah

might as well have been lol

[crystal forum]

you think we might get an emperor model to fight horus ascended with the release of the final siege of terra novel

[arctic talon]

an Emperor model is certain bcs he is mentioned in Liber Custodes during army building

[storm jungle]

Magnus did

[arctic talon]

He is the mandatory warlord if you take him

[storm jungle]

A LITTLE oopsie

hes sexy, you guys are just mean

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

wouldn't it be so fucked to finally get an image of him that's recent

[storm jungle]

to be fair hes literally the same as hes always been in that one artwork

[crystal forum]

like i'd never think the emperor would ever have a cannon depiction

[arctic talon]

this is my favorite art of him

by far

[crystal forum]

that artwork is funny

he's so wrinkly

[arctic talon]

Its very old lol

its from like the Horus Command bunker era

[crystal forum]

and like, i understand that 40k is over the top

but this image is over the top for 40k standards

there's way too much shit going on

[arctic talon]

its so extra

I love it lol

[crystal forum]

the heads we're supposed to be looking at are hard to distinguish lol

just crazy to think we might get a model for him

the most powerful mortal in the entire setting

[coarse pumice]

There’s the others

[crystal forum]

what others

[rose thorn]

That's weird. They shrank his shoulders, made him look soft..

[arctic talon]

I’d assume Xenos

Ghazkull, farsight

Eldrad

Though farsight is peanuts imo

[coarse pumice]

Old art

[rose thorn]

Wait who the fuck is that on the right past the emperor

[arctic talon]

Custodes

Their armor wasn’t cemented as gold

[rose thorn]

oh

[arctic talon]

When this art was made

[crystal forum]

pre-brainwash custodes

[rose thorn]

i like that more cold iorn look better

[arctic talon]

Yeah those guys get mind controlled lol

[coarse pumice]

The real picture

[crystal forum]

somebody should have told GW that fully golden armour is tacky

did donald trump design custodes

[rose thorn]

LITERALLY THE SHRANK SHOULDERS COPY PASTA

horus model fucking melted

[storm jungle]

same artist btw

[crystal forum]

they look like apes

[storm jungle]

thats Adrian Smith

also yeah rogue trader era is goofy af

[coarse pumice]

Horus got melted

[rose thorn]

what an art degree does to amother fucker

[coarse pumice]

The old art has more tension

[crystal forum]

nah

what 90's superhero comic books do to art

[rose thorn]

horus loojs like he stole the emperorers ceral

[crystal forum]

legit the worst era of comic art and it bleeds into 40k

[arctic talon]

One of my favorite artworks is the 2e rulebook cover

It’s so bright

[coarse pumice]

Blanche

[arctic talon]

And colorful

[coarse pumice]

Ironically

There’s blue in the picture

[crystal forum]

what am i even looking at

[coarse pumice]

Blood angels captain

[arctic talon]

The codex cover for the imperium in 2e

[coarse pumice]

Fighting some orks

[storm jungle]

It really doesnt

like I know you like rogue trader

[coarse pumice]

With more blood angels forces behind hi,

[storm jungle]

but 40k art has had a lot of improvements since then

[crystal forum]

rogue trader art looked brutal

[storm jungle]

Kinda

depended on the author

[arctic talon]

I like the emperor art

A lot

[storm jungle]

I mean artist

whoops

[arctic talon]

You know the one

[storm jungle]

Theres a lot 💀

[arctic talon]

With the super creepy dry thin guy

[storm jungle]

Oh god

lmao

Yeah thats the uhh

giger-esque artist

[arctic talon]

The one that arguably should be nsfw

[storm jungle]

a lot of it meanwhile was super goofy

[storm jungle]

theres another one

where he uh

has fucking blood bags

its hilarious

[storm jungle]

thats the one

[arctic talon]

But this is my favorite rogue trader art piece

[storm jungle]

when 40k was in its Giger phase

[coarse pumice]

How does it not have more tension? Look at the emperors posture in comparison

[storm jungle]

Also because I like references

These were "proto-space marines"

i think during "development" they just swapped them to be custodes

then got swapped again

[crystal forum]

they look like thunder warriors

[coarse pumice]

I’m not talking about how good or bad it is, but what if can convey

[storm jungle]

Yeah its like super early era

back when HH was just a card game

[crystal forum]

there's a card game?

[arctic talon]

There’s a digital one

[coarse pumice]

Afaik there’s another emperor picture in rogue trader, or the era

[arctic talon]

It’s very unbalanced

[crystal forum]

so what was lore like back then

[crystal forum]

guns mc shooty

[arctic talon]

Very weird

Felt a lot more like warhammer fantasy in space

[coarse pumice]

Well

[arctic talon]

Everyone was a lot less racist

As well

[crystal forum]

terrible

[arctic talon]

Space marines were normal guys

[crystal forum]

what the fuck

[coarse pumice]

Late rogue trader resembles todays 40K lore more then early rogue trader resembles late rogue trader

[arctic talon]

^also true

[coarse pumice]

The geneseed was introduced during rogue trader around the time they did the horus heresy background

[coarse pumice]

In the initial rule book, they were chemically enhanced and given black carapace

[storm jungle]

I mean of course it resembles it because it was literally where 40k started.

Its like saying A New Hope invented lightsabers, it was what most people knew at the time before the setting got less cheesy space britain'y

Also when Space Marine stopped being police too

https://tenor.com/view/police-beating-getoutofhere-airman-inflatable-guy-gif-4794752

[arctic talon]

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d680c7d9dcbe00a048a8162719ca8259

[coarse pumice]

Marines lol

There were originally going to be enclaves separated by warp storms so the imperium was more fractured

[storm jungle]

The british political commentary was peak lol

[rose thorn]

thast a cool sudo mongolian roman sutff

[storm jungle]

Its very neat!

[nocturne crest]

Do Custodes have serfs?

[arctic talon]

They have slaves big difference sorta

Custodes slaves are treated way better then marine serfs

And are expected to accompany them into battle

[nocturne crest]

Huh.

[arctic talon]

They’re called armory thralls or something like that

And their families are bonded to the custodes forever

Also they wear like charms made out of the bones of dead custodes their family has served

[summer rover]

which is just normal in 40k

[crystal forum]

wow new luetin video

[crystal forum]

are noise marines overrated

[arctic talon]

Define overrated

[crystal forum]

do people talk about them too much

[arctic talon]

Not particularly

They’re the least talked about cult marine type

Mostly since they’re the most “sane”

[summer rover]

they're the only aligned unit that isn't also massively overused by some faction, so the don't have any metasimping.

[queen laurel]

That's my one gripe about aos, when i used to not really like it back then the naming conventions were eugh

To this day i still wish that they just made better names

Even though, I am now more accepting of the franchise

[arctic talon]

Oruuks is stupid

I don't care what people say

I will never like it

[echo vault]

Orruks and aelves are the only ones that suck

[arctic talon]

Duradin is fine

[echo vault]

But even then you can just say orks or Asur/druchii

[arctic talon]

yeah

[echo vault]

So it's luckily ignorable

Gargants is cool though it reminds me of ork titans

Like mega gargant? Like the thing in this titanicus art

[queen laurel]

ah yes the almighty God breaker

One of the most terrifying things to see when you're just an average Guardsman

[frosty stag]

Yall think the glotkin brothers would be easier to kill 1 on 1 or all 3 at once

[celest dome]

1 on 1

Like simple logic and all

[frosty stag]

I think me personally

I could take all 3

[celest dome]

In a fight ?

[frosty stag]

Yeah

Or a date i don’t mind

[celest dome]

Each are a force to reckon with and should not be taken like trifle matter

[frosty stag]

If i was like trained i might be able to take the mage

Giant one i have no chance

Gureht or something like that

Ethrac i could probably win against

Otto might be close

Idk who would win

[celest dome]

If you had said the Maggotrider maybe but the Glotkin are quite high in the food chain, so I'd doubt that at least without things that we don't have access to

[frosty stag]

I could throw them off by yelling shit about their dead parents

Ethrac would probably get affected the most

[celest dome]

That would just piss them off to kill you faster, they are Chaos Warriors, not Jocks

[frosty stag]

Yeah maybe i am dreaming too big

I should do a tier list on what greater and lesser deamons of nurgle I could take on in a fight

[queen laurel]

Even the tiniest of daemons would carry the worst type of disease

I think unless you shoot them from afar you are not going to fight them head on

[frosty stag]

I could at least punt a nurgling

[celest dome]

And then have a draw cause you die of trench foot

[frosty stag]

What if i like prayed to him so he saved me then i yell sike really loudly

[queen laurel]

Praying to nurgle demon is not a good idea

[frosty stag]

No if warhammer chaos gods were real id ask my boyfriend if its ok if i turned into a plague bearer

[frosty stag]

Technically its deamon which actually refers to angels and other “holy” beings

🤓

[celest dome]

Well you don't really turn into a Plague Bearer, either Exalted Deamon, or Daemon Prince of Nurgle

[queen laurel]

I wouldn't call it holy if i pray for rainfall and that bastard decided to drown my planet by making it rain so much

And the rain turned my planet into a disease ridden swamp

[frosty stag]

Id actually probably be just a pox walker unless i impressed him enough to give me a botfly

Or a cool spear

[frosty stag]

Wasn’t that rotigus

Aka santa

[celest dome]

Well you have more luck if you're in fantasy at least, otherwise try to be a Sorcerer

[queen laurel]

Yeah that guy

[frosty stag]

Sounds cool either way ngl

But i’d need my boyfriends permission first

I don’t want to leave without saying goodbye

And now im sad and miss him

Fml

Im really tired

[celest dome]

Why not make it so he join you in Nurgle's embrace

[frosty stag]

I know this is all very not real

Oh true

Hes to hygienic actually hed say no

[queen laurel]

You are asking permission to your boyfriend that you're going to join a cult that has a chance to turn you into a monster that can tank multiple barrages of artillery fire?

[celest dome]

Otherwise it'll end up like that Undivided Daemon Prince and the his Ex who was powered by Sigmar (iirc)

[frosty stag]

Yes

[queen laurel]

Eh you do you i guess

[frosty stag]

He means alot to me and i put him over anything else

So if he thinks it would be a bad idea then I wouldn’t do it

[celest dome]

Why not join the better Chaos faction anyway ?

[queen laurel]

Are the other three better than nurgle?

[frosty stag]

No

Nurgle is the best

I own the pestilence candle

[queen laurel]

I mean khorne basically turns you into a raging dumbass

[frosty stag]

It smells really good

[queen laurel]

Slannesh will make your hobbies more excessive to the point that you just f****** die

[frosty stag]

I light it when i play

[queen laurel]

And tzeentch

[celest dome]

Khorne is best

[queen laurel]

Well the bastard is tzeentch

[frosty stag]

I could beat tzeentch in a fist fight if he couldn’t use spells

[celest dome]

You'd probably hit yourself in your confusion

[frosty stag]

Im too smart

Tzeentch got nothing on me

[queen laurel]

He about to hit you with the

"If you're not cheating to win then you're not trying to win"

[frosty stag]

The glottkin was a mistake im willing to admit I couldn’t beat

[queen laurel]

And then he will take your boyfriend hostage

[frosty stag]

I would kill that bitch so fast if he touched my boyfriend

Tzeentch is my second favorite of the gods

[celest dome]

He'd make the boyfriend a DP of Tzeentch and make them fight

[frosty stag]

Id let him kill me

Id never lay hands on my boyfriend in a violent manner

[celest dome]

Fair, honourable even

[frosty stag]

Damn im gonna see if he wants to go on a date later

[dry epoch]

Tzeentch was 100% my fave background influence in any 40k short story I ever wrote

So many delightful opportunities for weird stuff

[celest dome]

Not Khorne ?

[haughty hollow]

Man thats funny ngl, casually re-readin ork lore for the millionth and first time and it always suprises me every single time that the orks dont just poof everything out of existance.

[queen laurel]

They really can't do that unless you have a lot of them and probably some krorks

[haughty hollow]

Well you see, if they all wish it at once :>

Dirty space marines

[celest dome]

And a Weird boy

[queen laurel]

That's a common misconception, if they always believe that this gun will be able to destroy a planet it will get a dakka boost sure but you will need krorks or unlock more orks for the gun to be able to actually destroy a planet

And like heretic cacti said more weird Boyz to make the power even more apparent

[dry epoch]

Khorne’s alright, but Tzeentch is definitely more fun to play with

[queen laurel]

Yeah you can justify a lot of the things that he just does as a little bit trolling

"Why did you explode that Refinery that will help your cause"

"I was bored"

-a lord of change talking to tzeentch

[celest dome]

Who was bored, Tzeentch or the LoC

[dry epoch]

I prefer the idea that Weird Stuff is the norm.

🙂

[queen laurel]

Tzeentch

[dry epoch]

Tzeentch is a great basis for horror

[celest dome]

I'd love a horror story, but from the point of view of a Daemon, like it meeting the Little Girl or even just a Watcher in the dark or a Blank

[haughty hollow]

What is Tzeentch?

[green loom]

Joe mama

[dry epoch]

Whatever you want it to be.

[storm jungle]

Why is Tzeentch?

[dry epoch]

For whatever reason you want it be.

[green loom]

Why is the imperium evil

[celest dome]

Cause the Emperor was evil

[coarse pumice]

Too much bureaucracy

[storm jungle]

Too many romans and fascists.

[dry epoch]

Much more fun.

[rose thorn]

Therefore to fix it we need more goths

[crystal forum]

did you guys see the new hints to ferrus manus coming back

[green loom]

@storm jungle do you have that image listing corrupted forces from Fleet Quartus grouping together?

The one that lists % of traitor marines and guard and stuff

[storm jungle]

Here you go

[green loom]

Is this from a white dwarf?

[crystal forum]

traitor black templars?

[green loom]

Yep

And sisters

All belonging to Fleet Quartus

[crystal forum]

what happened

[arctic talon]

Khorne

[green loom]

Angron won, and the ensuing psychic explosion manifested what's being called "The Murder Curse", which spread through the entirety of Fleet Quartus

[arctic talon]

This is also the second time a mini astronomicon has backfired horribly lol

[crystal forum]

i dont like this idea that chaos can instantly turn loyalists through magic

it cheapens the process of turning against the emperor

[arctic talon]

It didn’t instantly turn them

And they weren’t exactly chaos?

They just went insane over the course of a few days

[crystal forum]

doesn't look "insane" if they're still working together to fight imperials

[green loom]

They're more forming into crude packs from what I can gauge here

And BT are like, two steps from the ledge of insanity anyway so

[arctic talon]

We get the perspective of a corrupted marine

He thinks he’s killing chaos forces

But his mind is so fucked up he can’t determine ally from enemy

[crystal forum]

exactly

chaos fuckery

i dont like it

[arctic talon]

I mean

Again

The chaos gods don’t play by the same rules

They’re Gods

prolly the only capital G ones in the setting

Imo it’s fine

Especially since it wasn’t like khorne didn’t have to devote a large amount of time to it

[storm jungle]

Also imperials are not immune to psychologically breaking, this is completely fine

Them being able to resist would be much more mary sue tbh

[arctic talon]

Tbf whatever happened to custodes made them immune

And it didn’t work on blanks

[storm jungle]

Also GK

[arctic talon]

It just made them more violent

[storm jungle]

Because of course lol

[green loom]

I kinda want to base my chapter here, thoughts?

[arctic talon]

Prolly works

[storm jungle]

looks ""calm"" enough

[crimson kayak]

Wot

[crimson kayak]

Consider it the black rage, but for chaos and psychic

Also yeah they just want to kill anyone not cursed

[crimson kayak]

Ghoul stars to the east and warpstorms to both the north and south

[green loom]

Yep

[crimson kayak]

The perfect place for a nice retirement plan

[crystal forum]

it's crazy to think that even at this point in 40k there's still uncontacted worlds who have no idea the imperium even exists

[arctic talon]

this is a pretty fun warcry team

[storm jungle]

Yooo

Darkest Dungeon Gang RISE UP

[queen laurel]

aos?

[arctic talon]

yeah AoS

though they'd fit right in mordheim imo

[crystal forum]

akimbo crossbows

[arctic talon]

Yes

its silly

but its nothing new lol

[queen laurel]

Just say that the crossbow has magical strings that automatically pull and makes new arrows by way of alchemy magic

[crystal forum]

meanwhile most firstborn astartes units are disappearing from the store

[queen laurel]

Or something I don't ******* know

[crystal forum]

the moment that shit got announced all those models went out of stock

[arctic talon]

FOMO is getting ahold of people lol

also theres a 99% chance primaris jump pack units are happening

[crystal forum]

i wonder if it's because people actually want them or because they think they can sell them later when they're off the store

[arctic talon]

prolly

I also think GW is prolly gona do MTO stuff with them

especially for the Hunter and the other anti aircraft gun

[crystal forum]

idk why a lot of people are complaining about it. their models will still be usable

it is pretty funny though that classic space marine helmet is becoming unusable in both 40k and 30k

[arctic talon]

because GW bad

also they're ignoring the fact that this literally happened to several other factions

[green loom]

Or that other factions have gone without models, for decades

[burnt plover]

a lawman and his faithful beast - a bond forged by battle and bloodshed

[arctic talon]

Come Unto Your Maker

[burnt plover]

steady girl. if we're called, we answer

[crystal forum]

loathsome dung eater

wait wrong game

[arctic talon]

lol

as thematic as Come Unto Your Maker is

I hate it so I just end up getting a jester incredibly high on shard dust

and one shotting it

[burnt plover]

prepare for crab!

god I love Souls games messages

[arctic talon]

lol

they're very funny

Fort Night

[burnt plover]

if there's ever a corpse that's like hanging off of any railing it's always

'try finger
but hole'

[crystal forum]

the creativity is amazing

[burnt plover]

there was like a guy on YT who had an idea for an app

like a Pokemon GO esque ARG game

except you can leave Souls messages anywhere

and I'm like WHY IS THIS NOT A THING YET

[queen laurel]

"amazing chest ahead"

[celest dome]

Try finger

[burnt plover]

time for pickle

I feel like the way they decide the words for this is they take a dictionary

open it at a random page

and the first word they see they just add it

[queen laurel]

They analyze the situation and pick random words that somehow make sense the moment that you find out what they're referencing

[arctic talon]

Prepare for crab is the best message

In elden ring tbh

Especially with the double crab ambush

[queen laurel]

Did they place it in a area where there are a lot of crabs?

[burnt plover]

I think my two favorite messages I ever saw of those like messages

and I remember them fucking vividly, even today

one of them was a message in a doorway leading to like a giant dragon

and it just says 'horse'

and the other one is a guy in a wheelchair and there's a message that just says

[arctic talon]

I had one that said prepare for crab

[burnt plover]

weakness: left leg then right leg

[arctic talon]

And then I got ganked by 2 crabs

It was very funny

[crystal forum]

was that in bloodborn

[burnt plover]

you were not prepared for crab

[arctic talon]

I was not in fact prepared for crab

I saw no crab

[burnt plover]

can't be sure, I'd have to find the image again

[arctic talon]

So I felt like I was safe

[crystal forum]

you are never safe from crab

[arctic talon]

True

[queen laurel]

The thing with souls messages is that

Is it's a flip of a coin

Either they are trolling you or they are genuinely good advice

[arctic talon]

“Secret”

is just a normal ass wall

Anyways the elden ring dlc better have a mimic

Bcs I got complacent

[crystal forum]

least masochistic souls fan

[arctic talon]

It’ll be funny

Besides elden ring had a chest that send me to hell(Calid)

[queen laurel]

Oh yes the home of the greatest monster in the game the kid shredder

[crystal forum]

youth destroyer

[celest dome]

Baby blender ?

[crystal forum]

i'll be so sad if land raider and rhino get removed from 40k

[arctic talon]

They won't

esp after they made both of them work on primaris lol

[crystal forum]

but they're removing a rhino variant

[arctic talon]

That no one ever used

Like in all my years of playing warhammer

I have genuinely never seen that thing

ever

like this is by far the best that kit has ever sold lol

[crystal forum]

man

they have a store option for the wyvern and the hydra

but buying either one gives you the option to build the other

in fact i think they both come in the same hydra box

[arctic talon]

They're the same kit yeah

[crystal forum]

is there a lore reason why primaris kits are focusing more on specialized squads instead of generic ones with specialists in them

[viral halo]

james workshop wants to charge more instead of giving you combi weapons

[crystal forum]

isn't it kinda shitty to be forced to use an entire squad of plasma guns

[arctic talon]

Lore reason no

Primaris have mixed squads

The way primaris squads are set up are entirely a tabletop thing

[crystal forum]

so not even an attempt to explain it via new tactics or something

i can imagine the frustration of an author having to explain all the different units doing something different

[arctic talon]

They still fight in tactical squads yeah

Or similar situations

I.E you have like 5 guys with a bolter, 2 with a plasma

Ect.

[crystal forum]

are assault squads still a thing

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crystal forum]

oh and scouts are being removed

is there even a reason to give them primaris versions if there already exists a stealth squad

[arctic talon]

Primaris scouts exist in lore

And scouts VS striking scorpions is most likely the next killteam

Considering 3 dif credible leakers have mentioned it

[storm jungle]

Yeah its entirely because we are gonna get Primaris replacements of those units soon.

Corpo reasons come first before lore.

[crystal forum]

i can't decide whether the entire primaris thing was created out of greed or for a genuine desire to refresh the game

[arctic talon]

both

They can both want to refresh the game

and make money

Primaris fufill both those goals

also the hobby has grown so much since 8e its absurd

like this is by far the most popular warhammer has ever been

[crystal forum]

i really don't think the primaris are to credit for that

i think 40k has become way more of a cultural thing beyond its tabletop

[arctic talon]

In terms of sales a lot of primaris units are very popular

However

The tactical marine is still the best selling GW kit ever made lol

[storm jungle]

They entirely are, as Wolf said firstborn are responsible for a lot of things but a shit ton of people buy Primaris in droves.

Also its important to remember 40k fans can and will bitch about anything forever but they will still line up in stores to buy the stuff they previously disliked in droves, thats how you sway people along as a corporation lmao

[crystal forum]

i don't think that's making the game more popular though

bringing back old players to the store isn't a fresh new wave of people

[arctic talon]

it is because primaris are much better proportioned and look less "stupid" so to speak

the new sculpts are amazing

and some of the best in the industry

[storm jungle]

^

[crystal forum]

is that something which new players even notice?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Yeah, a lot

[arctic talon]

because they look cool

I have been told by new players they don't like how short the old marines are

and that they look dumb next to guardsmen

[storm jungle]

its the reason why AoS also equally sells just as much, amazing looking models are literally just so you think/realise its great and buy it. Its basic marketing.

[arctic talon]

And GW's biggest like customer base

isn't players

its people who just buy, build, paint and collect

[storm jungle]

^

Its scummy but it works, its just business

[arctic talon]

about 60 to 70% of their sales are by exclusive hobbyists

[coarse pumice]

desolators didn't sell until they made their rules broken

[arctic talon]

Desolators also aren't sold on their own

so that point is moot

[coarse pumice]

the pack they're in is the only one that didn't sell out

[crystal forum]

they'd make so much money by just making a damn video game for the tabletop and putting actual effort into it

[arctic talon]

the big combo box they were in did sell well however

[storm jungle]

I mean again

they didnt sell before

now they sell

[arctic talon]

they don't care is the reason

GW is like

excessively safe

[storm jungle]

Also like

videogames dont make as much money

like at all

Miniatures on the other hand? OOF

[arctic talon]

They always go for the safest most whitebread option

which is fine

[crystal forum]

is it? i thought they loved forcing people who just want to play to buy expensive models

[storm jungle]

Yep

They arent forcing anyone

[arctic talon]

you can play 40k without minis

[storm jungle]

people cannot resist and buy it

[crystal forum]

but they could also monetize the shit out of the video game

[arctic talon]

I have played a 40k game

[storm jungle]

I mean yeah

but its not worth it

[arctic talon]

with a bunch of cardboard cut outs

and funny rocks

[storm jungle]

lmao

[arctic talon]

only thing I needed was a ruler

and my rules book

bcs I was in the middle of fucking nowhere in a national park camping

You do not need the minis to play the game

[storm jungle]

Also videogames dont have a lot of stuff miniatures have that makes people buy them. Theres not much you can do with a digital product compared to highly customizable and varied toy- I MEAN miniatures.

[arctic talon]

They're toys

I like my toy soldiers

[storm jungle]

I was trying to respectful

[crystal forum]

exactly so the sales would still exist for the minis

[arctic talon]

Its perfectly respectful to call them toys

[storm jungle]

yeah but like

good 40k games do exist

and people still dont care

Its just not worth the investment

[crystal forum]

GW would be tapping into an untouched market of people who are interested in the game but dont want to touch model making at all

[storm jungle]

I mean

that percentage is extremely small

is the thing

40k is a toy soldiers game first and foremost

[crystal forum]

i dont think it is

[storm jungle]

It is though.

Darktide's entire purpose is to make people wnat to play the tabletop

along with every other 40k game

[crystal forum]

i think a video game of the tabletop would be pretty popular for a turn based game

[coarse pumice]

it worked lol

[storm jungle]

yep lol

[coarse pumice]

i actually got back into it from playing this

[storm jungle]

^

perfect example

not that its a bad thing

[arctic talon]

tbh based on moonbreaker it would be successful

but very very niche

[storm jungle]

okay Moonbreaker yeah thats a great example

[arctic talon]

moonbreaker is also a really good tabletop wargame

but holy fuck its niche

[storm jungle]

I CANNOT BELIEVE that game is so unpopular

its fucking criminal

[crystal forum]

it would be as popular as any paradox game except HOI4

[arctic talon]

like that thing has 31 players

and peaked at 221

[storm jungle]

and its literally just a better tabletop sim

mostly

[arctic talon]

its by far one of the best tabletop games I HAVE EVER PLAYED

[storm jungle]

💀

[arctic talon]

LIKE

ITS GOOD

ITS REALLY GOOD

[storm jungle]

Theres a reason anyone that reviews it

is malding

because its so good but gets no attention

[arctic talon]

ITS SO GODDAMN GOOD

sorry

but still moon breaker is like

[storm jungle]

I relate

[coarse pumice]

I think Infinity does human proportion better

[arctic talon]

a perfect example of why digital tabletop wargames almost never do great

its a niche game within a niche game within a niche game

[storm jungle]

Yep

[arctic talon]

Infinity does do human proportions way better

I like their minis a lot

[coarse pumice]

I used to play it when I got fed up with 40k during 6th/7th edition

[arctic talon]

this does not spark joy

[crystal forum]

i can just imagine a tabletop video game of 40k being like xcom but bigger size

[arctic talon]

I am very glad moonbreaker got that review from bricky

because it unironically made a ton of sales

but also it should have way more players

[coarse pumice]

though I stopped playing in the group due to time and other factors

and the main club I go to doesn't have a scene

[storm jungle]

At the end of the day as stupid as GW is they are an entirely 50/50 company, they may do dumb shit but they still make a crap ton of money as well.

For example when WH+ inevitably flops the fanbase will be their classic redditor selves and think they were the ones that brought it down, when no it was just GW's shitty management skills and arrogance to not lend their IP for media distrubution to anyone else

[arctic talon]

rip

[storm jungle]

Also can Cavill launch that tabletop show already

tired of waiting

[coarse pumice]

I've only started going back after covid

[storm jungle]

you and mostly everyone else

the big booms are rollin'

[arctic talon]

Anyways I hope moonbreaker explodes in popularity

it deserves it