40k-lore-chat

[vast heart]

How likely do y'all reckon it is that we get DLC's themed after the other chaos gods?

Bc I was thinking and each one kinda fleshes out the roster for pve enemies a fair bit

Like Khorne would give you semi-specials that are a lot more elite than the pure chaffe of nurgle and require a bit more attention and thought bc they're tankier and hurt more (but less model density) and a bunch of cool boss fights/tanky bruiser specials

Tzeentch would be good for adding utility variants like the trapper, sniper tox flamer etc that kinda alter how you approach a fight and maybe a cool psyker boss fight

And Slaanesh would be stuff like the hounds but also add a tiny bit of chaffe variety, super fast units that hide in corners, crawl up walls and try to catch you by surprise. I also really wanna have a mission where you walk into a room, see an infernal enrapturess in the middle of the room, then the doors slam shut, she starts playing and the room becomes a horde survival against daemonettes, slaangor and fiends

You could even tie the knot on the whole thing and have Vashtorr + gellarpox stuff that's for super lategame and it makes everything armoured and tankier

Like ik its kinda fanservicey for this Nurgle infected planet to suddenly turn into chaos soup but idk maybe the prisoners do really well and become a suicide squad that gets sent to other planets

[torpid narwhal]

Did the emperor have a favorite son

[celest dome]

Sanguinus probably

[celest dome]

It's the most likely expansion type updates. Though we do know that those aren't gonna be paid unless change of plans

[frosty stag]

Vulkan

[green loom]

There are no heroes in 40k

[earnest snow]

Only zeroes

[crystal forum]

is it ever mentioned whether flak armour is metal or ceramic

[crystal forum]

Horus was given the warmaster title after the emperor retired to terra. It caused a lot of jealousy from his brothers

i again recommend reading the first 4 HH books because it explains all of this

[storm jungle]

The quality entirely depends on the Forge World that made it. Some Worlds produce Flak armour that makes our modern body armour look like wet tissue paper. Other Worlds produce Flak armour that is barely better than what we make now. It’s inconsistent by design

Its more or less just glorified kevlar.

[crystal forum]

so what differentiates between flak and carapace? just the amount of material used?

[storm jungle]

Hold on

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-thinking-reading-book-work-glasses-gif-10674954

The most up to date lore on all Simperial armor types.

[crystal forum]

ok so carapace is just heavy

[crystal forum]

i thought it was servo assisted or something but that would fall under power armour

[storm jungle]

Yeah no

Carapace is just full on resistant-armor

for example the only units that have it in game are like the Maulers and Crushers.

Every Moebian traitor guardsman in comparison wears standard issue flak armor.

[crystal forum]

flak is more protective than i thought

but as the name implies i think it's more made to resist against shrapnel and stuff

[celest dome]

Full Plate is considered to be similar to Flak

[crystal forum]

so is flak armour more comparable to WW2 flak vests that bomber crews had or is it more comparable to modern bullet resistant vests

[arctic talon]

It’s similar to irl level 4 body armor

Which is modern vests + plate carrier

[celest dome]

• Level IIA: This level offers protection against lower velocity 9mm and .40 S&W ammunition.
• Level II: Provides increased protection, including higher velocity .357 Magnum and 9mm ammunition.
• Level IIIA: Offers even greater protection, suitable for high-velocity 9mm and .44 Magnum ammunition.
• Level III: Resists rifle rounds, specifically 7.62mm FMJ lead core rifle ammunition.
• Level IV: The highest NIJ body armor level, designed to withstand armor-piercing rifle rounds.

I'd say level 3 tbh

[arctic talon]

Level 4 is usually wrecked after one use tbf

[celest dome]

True

[arctic talon]

Same@applies to flak eating a big bullet

It’ll save you but it’s gona suck

[crystal forum]

that's only for fiber and ceramic materials

[arctic talon]

True

[crystal forum]

steel can just be hammered back

[arctic talon]

But it’s not recommended

Iirc

[crystal forum]

which is why im wondering what flak is more comparable to

[winter vessel]

so what would carapace armor rank then?

[arctic talon]

Prolly ceramics

[arctic talon]

Considering you can eat a bolter shot and live in it

Pretty damn good

Now granted the armor is gona be a mess

And so will you

But you’re alive

[crystal forum]

i think carapace is just "thicker"

it's not higher tech but more material

[arctic talon]

We know flak is decently light

[winter vessel]

but it wouldn't be on the comparable scale as the body armor types we currently have?

[crystal forum]

i meant carapace not ceramic lol

[arctic talon]

It’s way beyond anything we have

Regarding wearability

Anything similar to carapace protection irl would suck to be in

[crystal forum]

it would be like having a plate carrier for every inch of your body

[storm jungle]

damn

[arctic talon]

Which would suck for a lot of reasons lol

[storm jungle]

i share all that lore from Imperium Maledictum

and you bastards still argue

💀

[crystal forum]

what i find interesting is why it's considered rarer than flak. if it's just thicker material then why not equip more guardsmen with it

[storm jungle]

als because life is cheap

[arctic talon]

Not arguing smh

We’re discussing 🤓

[near wasp]

The gear the gaurdsman carries is worth more than his life

[celest dome]

Nah I'm arguing, in bad faith to boot

[arctic talon]

True

[crystal forum]

i want problems always

[storm jungle]

dont do it shao khan

please shao khan

[near wasp]

I am the problem and i will only be a worse one tomarrow

[storm jungle]

I hate how much

that scene fits into almost any 40k character

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-peace-i-want-problems-always-choose-violence-no-peace-problems-gif-24342946

[crystal forum]

except farsight i think idk i never read it

do you think when roboute works out he calls it ultramaxxing

[storm jungle]

💀

[near wasp]

Average istvanain inquistor

[winter vessel]

Roboute goes up to his Father's throne. "Hey Pops, I figured I made some changes since I'm in charge. I renamed Terra to UltraTerra. How'd you think if I renamed the palace to the Ultrapalace?". And then Big E's bones just disintegrate from the sheer insanity of adding "ultra" to any word.

[crystal forum]

Mcterra

[celest dome]

So he does a Leman Russ

'cept using Ultra instead of Wolf

[winter vessel]

The Ultra-seed by replacing gene

[crystal forum]

"sir we already have something called ultra-seed"

[queen laurel]

Least battle addicted ork

[crystal forum]

do you think that ork poets lament about how society wants peace instead of war

[crimson kayak]

I'm still surprised imperial mesh armour is still a thing

[crystal forum]

if we get more lore about orks and humans working together in 10th then im forgiving everything

[queen laurel]

The thing is hiring them as mercenaries is a double-edged sword that is being swung around by a very very angry child

It can be both beneficial and a detriment

[crystal forum]

no not hiring them

fighting nids side by side

[queen laurel]

It has happened and the most cases it resulted in the classic green skin tomfoolery

Backstabbing

[crimson kayak]

Yeah they'd just scrap with the humies later

[crystal forum]

sounds like a win win

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/nanomachines-son-metal-gear-senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-gif-20057254

Mesh armour be like

[green loom]

Because generally timmy from Agria IX isn't actually a perfectly disciplined hard labour power lifter

Sure you can smack massive armour plates on him weighing more than he does, mixed with all his gear
But he'll probably collapse before he does anything meaningful

[arctic talon]

You need to be pretty physically fit to wear carapace

also it isn't that rare

its just the imperium doesn't want to spend the extra money on it

Its why specalist veterans of guard regiments like Catachan Devils, Death Korps Grenadiers or Kasrkin wear it

[crimson kayak]

I consider it more like comparing a padded tunic/gamberson (flak) to full plate armour (carapace)

But in spesh

As the concept is similar, while one is a mishmash of layers of whatever protective stuff your world got the other is a thick full plate of sometimes plasteel, sometimes even ceramite

[winter vessel]

then I'd like to know how tf the Harakoni still manage to remain mobile during their descent if it'd be that heavy

[arctic talon]

They're an elite regiment

for one

like every single soldier they put out is arguably kasrkin level

And grav chutes allow a goddamn sentinel

to remain mobile during descent

so I'm sure they just have extra thick ones

[crimson kayak]

Also it's not that heavy when you consider they lug around battery backpacks constantly

[winter vessel]

true

[arctic talon]

also based on art they don't use full body carapace

like Kasrkin or grenadiers or scions

[winter vessel]

Damn. GW what is it going to take to get these guys to get their own mini's?

[storm jungle]

being generic and making money

or just kill-team

[terse flume]

i sorta assumed that it was like crushers, and you needed to be ogryn strong to be in all cara

while like the bucket head guys, maulers, human sized people can wear it but can't really encrust themselves in it

[arctic talon]

Human sized people can wear like

a whole set

[crimson kayak]

I mean it pretty much looks like a modern kasrkin tbh

[arctic talon]

Tbh I do like the more logical aproach to carpace nowadays

where they can actually move their fucking legsl ol

[arctic talon]

there's less armor on the body

[crimson kayak]

I mean only piece I don't see is the groin guard

[arctic talon]

actually huh

you're right

yeah idfk

[crimson kayak]

And the glove armour lol

[arctic talon]

but I'd assume carapace isn't heavy enough

to make grav chutes unusable

[crimson kayak]

Ye, I basically consider it like having a modern/sci fi plate armour

Especially looking at the scions ones

[arctic talon]

ye

[storm jungle]

very nice imperial guard art 👀

[winter vessel]

I look at that art and all I can see is Tobin Bell who plays Jigsaw.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/there-will-be-blood-jigsaw-john-saw2-its-gonna-be-bloody-gif-22083044

not enough 80's glamrock hair

[winter vessel]

actually wait, Roy Batty from Bladerunner

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/roy-batty-serious-turned-funny-face-gif-8031644

Much better

[winter vessel]

yeah there we go. "All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain."

[frosty stag]

When the god emperor was alive was the imperium the same as it is now or no?

Like horrible hive cities

Racism against abhumans

[celest dome]

Mostly

[arctic talon]

It was slightly less shitty

But abhumans were still second class citizens

the blackships were being put into effect

hive cities were shit when Big E found them

[frosty stag]

Im guess the only major difference was no one was super religious

[arctic talon]

That and also the average quality of life was up

it was less shitty

and improving in some places

[frosty stag]

Then fucking horus

Shoulda known something was up with a name like horus heresy smh my head

[celest dome]

Before horus there was also the Great Crusade, which also sucked for the most parts

[frosty stag]

That too

[arctic talon]

ngl I really wish people would stop doing the cloaking alpha legion stuff

its cool but the way they blend in in lore is cooler

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553375105439236096/1131317471643713647/image.png?width=500&height=671

[green loom]

The marines in Sons of the Hydra have armour that can change colours

But that warband did kinda read like some Pet OC

[celest dome]

I prefer the Alpha master painter than cloak tech

[green loom]

Designated Picasso
"Operative Auric 4 Taurox, prepare paint cans!"

[arctic talon]

tbh that book is weird

but I really like the fact that alpha legion can replicate the other legions armor just good enough to blend in

on the battlefield

[rose thorn]

Beloved HH 1k sons <3

Probably my favorite HH design

[remote loom]

In Darktide my Zealot will semi-frequently bring up "Equity" and my veteran will call others "Comrade". Is this normal vocabulary for WH40K culture for the religious zealots, and the guard members? Or is this something just in Darktide?

[storm jungle]

Its just normal english words

[remote loom]

Is it common to their usual lexicon

[storm jungle]

I mean

they are just people

its how they speak

its to portray their mannerisms and personality

Like I have a friend who always calls me "broski" instead of "bro" jokingly, its quirks people have like that when they talk with one and other.

The Zealot just uses more complex words because he/she has obviously read a lot of literature, the Vet meanwhile just uses your regular army talk

[remote loom]

Those words seem out of place to me, so I was wondering if they're established as part of the universe lexicon for their origins.

[storm jungle]

Why would they be out of place?

[scenic dagger]

can kasrkins NOT be from Cadia guys?

[storm jungle]

no

the "Kasr" in their name is literally named after the big fortress hive cities on Cadia.

[remote loom]

The last thing I see a devote Umperium of Man devoty would be equity, and it didn't seem to be used properly, unless it was sarcastically or ironically.

[storm jungle]

What Zealot said this, was it the Judge?

[scenic dagger]

alright then, are there storm troopers out there that can have the kasrkin armor camo and such?

[storm jungle]

No

its special only to Kasrkin

its basically like asking can American special forces wear SAS outfits.

[rose thorn]

lmao

[scenic dagger]

I mean I'd assume that's the case but so far it's used pretty liberally in Darktide xD

[storm jungle]

Eh its just cosmetics

[remote loom]

Comrade in all circumstances tend to be communist culture and particularly the military, and I don't see the coronation

[storm jungle]

....no?

[rose thorn]

🍿

[storm jungle]

It has nothing to do with communism, its just western media

[scenic dagger]

I bought the Dax Karakin bundle, love it but then realized that I didn't exactly want my Veteran to be "Cadian" in the first place, now I'm bothered xD. it's silly

[storm jungle]

Theres a really funny lore to that gear actually

you can read its bio

it says the people dont even know if Dax is actually a kasrkin

or its just people mistaking his name

[rose thorn]

fuck military strategy, i wanan learn about 40ks economics

[scenic dagger]

yeah I read it haha, but still

[rose thorn]

i want to play buisness ismulator in 40k universe

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically just dont read too much into it, when you buy cosmetics from the shop its more or less just "gameplay reasons"

[remote loom]

You're dodging my point. So never mind

[scenic dagger]

tryna think of some fluff that I can kinda justify my non-cadian veteran wearing cadian stuff, xD. But I get it, it's simply cosmetics

I'd much prefer Death korps outfit tho, for sure

[storm jungle]

What point?

Also like

the entire script was written by Black Library authors

I think like... 4 of them if i remember the credits right?

So if they think it fits, it fits.

Its really not that big of a deal.

[remote loom]

I was wondering if it was established in the WH40K universe to use words like this.
You didn't give me a "yes/no/I don't know" answer to this really simple question.

[storm jungle]

I did though

Its not a Yes or No question, they just speak that way because its in their vocabulary. Its not lore-breaking.

Literally almost every english word exists in 40k since the writers only tweak them when it has any ties to the 21st century.

Such as tweaking "god damn it" to just "throne damn it" and so on.

So smaller words like Comrade/Equity are at the lowest bar

[remote loom]

So, this is a lore question. Is there precedence for this sort of word use?
Yes/No/I Don't Know

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[remote loom]

Thank you

[storm jungle]

As said above.

[remote loom]

So you say yes but you mean no. Got it

[terse flume]

it's pretty common in American English o use comrade in the like, if arms sense? I feel like I see that in media pretty often idk

[storm jungle]

Im done honestly lol

[storm jungle]

also yeah pretty much

people just get used to hearing western media use it for russians constantly

so it gets skewed

[terse flume]

like I can picture some court show going "you were comrades weren't you" and they Def didn't mean "you were communists"

[storm jungle]

^

its also an effect of uhhh

russian characters in fiction speaking english constantly using "comrade" for everything ala tovarisch

[terse flume]

the metal guy from Xmen did that a lot

[storm jungle]

Also Nikolai from Zombies

and just... so many english speaking russian characters

[cerulean wagon]

its just english words

yes people in setting use them

cause they speak english

[arctic talon]

Kasrkin are from Cadian regiments or Regiments with a past from Cadia that still use cadian styled training

But generally speaking most regiments have their own name for it

[crystal forum]

@storm jungle why did you even bother with that interaction

like im trying to think of something to say but i can't even wrap my head around the idea of interpreting communist messaging from common 2 words in a video game

[storm jungle]

I was just trying to help

lmao

[crystal forum]

i can't even make a joke

the guy was legit asking if saying a word is normal in the setting as if he spotted a political enemy in fatshark studio

[storm jungle]

Yeah I didn't really know what to say aside from "this is how people speak"

[crystal forum]

im framing this on my wall

[arctic talon]

Mfw comrade == communism

I love stereotypes don’t you

[storm jungle]

It reminds me of uh

Bodyguard Ogryn killing a flamer and going

"Flamer's toast, HAHA GET IT?"

and I was like

"WAIT, THAT MEANS TOASTERS EXIST OH MY GOOOOD"

[crystal forum]

or do they toast with ovens

you can toast toast without a toaster

[storm jungle]

Oh

[fair knoll]

[arctic talon]

You can toast toast without a toaster

its just hard

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-no-darth-vader-yell-noooooo-gif-5858146

[crystal forum]

did you expect the word toast to come from the modern kitchen appliance

[storm jungle]

Yes

my english is not great lmao

[crystal forum]

haha the word toast comes from old french

and now it's an anglicism to say toaster in french

knowing both of these languages is extremely confusing

[storm jungle]

Theres worse examples

[crystal forum]

oh i know

im painfully aware

[remote widget]

Are there any topics that GW tries to avoid?

[arctic talon]

Actual irl racism

Because suprise they don’t like it

[remote widget]

I'm liking how often alternative lifestyles and sexualities are being treated in the books and literature as normal and positive, but fair enough there Elit3 with that comment

[arctic talon]

aside from that there's not very much taboo for GW

Ig rape but they do have it in books and stories

[crisp heath]

Warhammer is about war, except it's the cool war where cool guys do cool things and save the day or get eaten by bugs, and no one has families and no one needs years of therapy because a guy they served with 20 years got eaten by a bug

Obviously they do play with trauma and loss sometimes as topics, but's it's not something they want you to think about when you see "warhammer", they want you to think about the cool wars with the cool guys

Anything that would make that image less fun, and therefore less marketable, is something they aren't really going to give a lot of time to

[copper slate]

@arctic talon @crimson kayak I want Asha to be able to say something like ‘I see humans, but no humanity.’ At some point.

[arctic talon]

Humanity pretty much isn't a thing in warframe

so that doesn't really apply imo

none of the factions identify as human really

[copper slate]

Not even in reference to the Imperium?

[plush mason]

thats a special level of stupid. almost on the level of D4 fans defending D4 as not being an RPG lmao

[plush mason]

warframe is over 2 MILLION years in the future so all of 40k came and went long long before that game's story

the Orokin where the closest thing to humans left in the sol system before their fall

[arctic talon]

It’s actually more like 500 thousand something 🤓

[plush mason]

oh

still

its insane

literally the farthest in the future of any sci fi

not counting the ones that timetravel and go to like the heat death of the universe lol

[arctic talon]

Only reason why the solar system isn’t a shit hole is bcs the orokin loved terraforming

And pretty much every single person no matter how human they look is prolly gene modded to hell and back

[plush mason]

yup

[plush mason]

i know its a meme but its still a funny point in the lore imo

[crystal forum]

i refuse to let eldar have anything

[shadow plover]

whoever made that meme was so butthurt about it lmao

[crystal forum]

their fault for fangirling over the literal OP faction

you don't see me complaining about guardsmen getting massacred

[celest dome]

Custodes fans were butthurt by 3 things.
This one
That part during the Horus Heresy where some Custodes became controlled by Horus
And ghr Custodes who were infected by the Khorne thingy not so long ago

[arctic talon]

I've seen some mad about the Norn Emissary killing 5 of them and almost killing valdor

[arctic talon]

if you want to bitch about the mary sue faction the leagues of votaan are right now

actually some of the worst fluff GW has written by far lol

everything is just Imperium but better lul

Like its still an authoritarian hellhole but they have a lot of numbers, and STCs lol

then again they've gotten 0 lore so maybe there's some bad things about them lol

but for now its just dumb

[coarse pumice]

The writer was correct, harlequins should be able to slaughter custodies though

[arctic talon]

the issue is more so how its presented

tbf

both sides literally act like idiots

its pretty out of character

[coarse pumice]

That’s par for the course for black library

[arctic talon]

true

but running into a literal killing field set up by a Shadowseer and Death Jester is beyond silly lol

War of the beast in general just sucks

The entire plot literally gets resolved offscreen lol

whole ass army + fleet struggles to kill ork

then the other 11 all die off screen

[echo vault]

Clown town

[queen laurel]

If i remember this happened during the beast right?

So they still decided to fight each other when there is literally a super ork army where the literal smallest of boyz are nob size bare minimum

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Sheesh

[arctic talon]

Its just shittly written

bcs its literally all resolved offscreen

all the orks get killed by the offico assasinorum via ????

somehow

[queen laurel]

Yeah and we're talking about orks here where the nobz are warbosses

[arctic talon]

Also all the other copies of the beast

get killed by Vindcare somehow????

the thing that tanked a fucking nova cannon to the face

[queen laurel]

Copies of the original that can keep up with a god damn primarch to the point that the Primarch had to resort to a desperate attack in order to take it down

[arctic talon]

I don't care how good of a shot you are

you aren't killing something that can tank a goddamn cannon that shoots out something hotter the sun

also they killed 11 of them

war of the beast is just terribly written

[queen laurel]

You have to have one hell of a special bullet to even takedown something that can go toe-to-toe and can probably win against a primarch

[arctic talon]

The Custodes vs Harlequins scene at least makes sense in terms of how many die on each side

[shadow plover]

Tbh an Ork, however big it is, tanking a nova cannon is very silly to begin with

[arctic talon]

oh absolutely

but thats another issue entierly lol

the beast is presented by a force of nature

till it isn't

[queen laurel]

You can you know say that it's practically the mega armor that he was wearing but even then i don't think they can even make an armor strong enough to survive nova cannon unless they are krork

[arctic talon]

Tbh even then

Eldar wraith constructs and necron stuff on the ground

can't survive a damn nova cannon lol

so even krork power armor

prolly can't survive

[queen laurel]

Bare minimum, if they survived they will be too hurt and damaged to even recover

[arctic talon]

like its absurd to tank a ships nova cannon to the face

[pine wedge]

I'm a tyranid stan and even I thought that was weird. my explanation is that the Custodes were fighting selflessly to keep the lord solar alive, and were therefore killed.

[arctic talon]

tbh they were literally getting in the way

directly

so it makes sense

[pine wedge]

if they weren't trying to also keep a small pathetic mortal human alive, they would have taken their time and fought more defensively and cautiously

yeah exactly.

real bodyguard hours.

[arctic talon]

They were running in to protect him

so it makes sense

it was a desperate defense

anyways I think I'd rather drink crushed up glass and rubbing alcohol

then read war of the beast again

[pine wedge]

still, that the norn emissary can kick hard enough to separate a custodes head clean from its body and send it flying off a cliff

is uhhh

🤷‍♀️

I guess it is a 30ft tall monster

but still.

they're custodes.

[arctic talon]

its like

the size of a wraithlord

so it isn't huge

[queen laurel]

Yeah custodes armor is very very special

[arctic talon]

bit taller

[pine wedge]

bit taller yeah. most estimates i've seen put it at 12m tall or so

so almost 40ft

for an organism rippling with sinew and muscle, that is massive

[arctic talon]

true

at the end of the day

[pine wedge]

it's probably faster and stronger pound-for-pound than most walker units of that size

[arctic talon]

everyones faction is beholden to what the writers want

if you're guys are gona die in the little lore blurb

they're gona die

[pine wedge]

true, true.

[queen laurel]

The thing is with tyranids showmanship of ridiculous strength is not so odd because their structure is designed to be perfect so their musculature must be ridiculous

[arctic talon]

Honestly I just hate war of the beast

bcs its just badly written lol

like even more so then the usual bad black library book

[pine wedge]

yeah it stands to reason that a tyranid organism of that size is incredibly powerful. it's not as heavily armored as a mech unit from the smaller races, but it's gotta be much stronger and more agile, as we saw when it checks notes leapt into the air to take down a gunship with its scything talons.

[queen laurel]

The hive mind sure knows what they're doing huh

[pine wedge]

I'm a fan of the "nothing that large should be that graceful" trope so I thought that was cool.

[arctic talon]

the way it contorts itself

is cool as hell

[pine wedge]

yeeeee

[arctic talon]

it like shoves its way into an elevator shaft

[pine wedge]

that it can fit into a much smaller space

like an evil octopus

[arctic talon]

lol

[queen laurel]

But it's one of the few books that shows how dangerous orks are even though it can be written better

[arctic talon]

oh absolutely

it does great at selling orks as a threat

[pine wedge]

the hive mind is getting more impressive over time, the recentish books about the devastation of baal also had excerpts that made the hive mind much more substantial than just "the collective psychic network gestalt consciousness of the tyranids"

[arctic talon]

but it just feels shittly written

[pine wedge]

it's a godlike presence and peerless intelligence in the warp

[arctic talon]

like it completely falls apart at the middle and the end

[pine wedge]

the hive mind is so powerful that it casts a wide area of quietude in the warp around itself

[shadow plover]

is this Norn Emissary stuff from the new Leviathan novel

[queen laurel]

If i see an ork straight up take a shot from a cannon designed to be mounted on a ship, i would just ask the commissar to shoot me in the head

[pine wedge]

no it's just a lore blurb that GW themselves posted, not black library stuff.

AFAIK.

[arctic talon]

its in the core rulebook

[pine wedge]

right, that.

[shadow plover]

ah I see, haven't really dived in the core book yet

[arctic talon]

or its in the crusade book

one or the other

[shadow plover]

I've still got the Arks of Omen books to finish

[queen laurel]

Speaking of this trope, you can have something very big very fast as long as you can execute it i mean look at striker eureka from the first pacific rim movie

It's pretty fast but it still feels heavy

[pine wedge]

pacific rim is the golden standard for movies with Big Things in them

you are absolutely correct

[arctic talon]

what about the second one

[pine wedge]

what second one

??

dont know what you mean.

[arctic talon]

true

[pine wedge]

there was no sequel.

[queen laurel]

You talk like that again and i will feed you to the next tyranid horde

[echo vault]

Is there a real life equivalent to this

[shadow plover]

yeah rats

they don't use guns though

they're pretty small

[echo vault]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-dancing-rat-fnaf-gif-25285099

[arctic talon]

Yeah its called a jezzail

[echo vault]

I know jezzails exist I'm just referring to the use of a shield setup like that and what crane gunners in Cathay use

[arctic talon]

oh

yeah idk

[echo vault]

It's cool

[celest dome]

Pavise but used with gun ?

[echo vault]

Probably yeah

[celest dome]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanegashima_(gun)

Parently

[echo vault]

Ok thanks it's the pavise

They have a crossbow but using a musket is definitely used too

[celest dome]

Look lower, they have a painting of one with guns

[echo vault]

Ye I would hope ppl realized they could shoot a gun on that

[celest dome]

It's mostly that Pavise were kinda useless against guns

Same reason that when guns started to become more common armoured knight started to become less common

[echo vault]

Yeah, I like how it's renaissance still in Warhammer fantasy so you still have armor

I like armor a lot but it's so rare sometimes (depending on setting)

[celest dome]

Well armour still existed for specialized troops, like the Dragoon's cuirasse

[echo vault]

True true

I just wanna see more shields for sci Fi stuff like not too big but not small, and just weird shit like sci Fi warplock jezzail

[arctic talon]

there's the radium one

[celest dome]

Suppression Shield, Assault Shield, Brute Shield (Ogryn)

Could even see Mag inverter Shield

If we get an Admech Archetype

[echo vault]

Yes

[vast heart]

Y'all I'm back w a weird question

Has there ever, in the barest sense, been a reference to Owlbears in 40k?

[celest dome]

No

[terse flume]

it's weird how centralized owlbears have become, i would say

like they kinda broke out

[vast heart]

I'm kitbashing a chaos spawn and my lore fluff is my Thousand sons and a small band of emps children they're buddy-buddy with (Excuse to paint my emps with TS colour scheme) performed a ritual on an owlbear to turn it into a chaos spawn and I need a planet they could hypothetically have something like that exist on

[terse flume]

well i mean, do what 40k and every other fictional universe does

[vast heart]

Otherwise my chaos spawn proxy is non canon and that would be a goddamn travesty

[terse flume]

catachan falcowolf. there

[celest dome]

Chaos Spawn can have any shape you want

[queen laurel]

Just do what you want, you can say it comes from this planet and it'll work, this is a universe where an orangutan can build technology out of instinct

[vast heart]

Yeah ik lol I'm just using an owlbear mini as a base and wanted a lore safe way to justify it

[storm jungle]

Okay so pro tip to remember

40k is a setting that is literally built upon lore excuses

"Where the fuck did you get all these Primaris marines???"

"I uhhh hid them under mars?"

"And we just learn of this now?"

"Yeah."

Basically just have something ready to explain why or what is happening and you are literally set.

[queen laurel]

"sir, the orks have destroyed the fortress"
"how!?"
"Here's the video sir of what happened"
sees ork vehicles combining into a giant gargant megazord

[storm jungle]

Literally.

Also titans are these "god machines"

but some fucking ork with a bike busts through a visor of one and kills the entire crew before overloading its reactor.

So hey, anything can happen

[queen laurel]

You can be quite ridiculous in this universe because a literal orangutan can build technology out of instinct

So an owl bear hybrid doesn't seem outrageous

[outer wave]

Dead ass, I want an Ork Power ranger squad that combine their trusty vehicles together to make a gargant

[storm jungle]

Dont let your dreams be dreams

TELL EM ORKTIMUS PRIME

[outer wave]

YOOOO

[queen laurel]

I can just imagine a mek boy going to town if they recover dead cybertronian corpes

[outer wave]

What would come out of it I wonder

[nocturne crest]

Well, there exist city sized cybertronians.

[queen laurel]

titans, they are pretty fucking cool

But orks finding ways to weaponize these things even more is going to be a nightmare on the imperium's part

[nocturne crest]

Would the o r k s still let them transform or would they just be walkers or vehicle locked?

[queen laurel]

it's just way too handy to you know let go of their ability to transform, on robot mode their firepower is amazing, and in vehicle mode they can get around, orks would definitely allow them to transform

[nocturne crest]

They could do that headmasters thing, so an ork in armour becomes the head of the transformer.

[queen laurel]

yeah that could work

[nocturne crest]

Then again, I can't imagine an ork being happy about transforming into a piece of dakka.

[queen laurel]

orks could have just very tiny Transformers that can transform into creatures and a weapon as an alternate mode, for how they think let's just say that squig brains are quite useful for the procedure

[nocturne crest]

Like Soundwave's cassettes.

[queen laurel]

Yeah you can have a squig tansformer turn into a Thunder hammer

[crimson kayak]

Dnd movie must have helped

The druid owlbear scene was pretty much in every single trailer

[terse flume]

yeah like, i remember it being like one of many generic enemies and now it feels like it's a Canon Dungeons And Dragons Monster if you know what i mean

a bit like a beholder or something

[crystal forum]

it's like mixing mayo and sriracha

at first it's just testing things out then you start asking why both ingredients even exist on their own

[celest dome]

Because mayo is great already

The egg one, not the lemon one

[arctic talon]

People use lemon juice instead of vinegar lol?

[celest dome]

Yeah and it suck

[echo vault]

Is this a good equivalent for a bolter round

[arctic talon]

not really fat enough but good enough imo

[celest dome]

Bolter is 0.5

[echo vault]

I mean that's the cartridge that makes it phat

[celest dome]

Well in the Bolter case there isn't really any cartridge

[arctic talon]

It’s a micro rocket

[arctic talon]

Isn’t it 0.75

[celest dome]

As its a gyrojet

[celest dome]

Right

Had the discussion yesterday and it confused me

0.75 for every normal Bolt. And Heavy is 0.9

[arctic talon]

Chunky gun

[echo vault]

Jdj is .95 I think

I just learned about 15th-16th century wall guns and they're cool for just being obscenely big

[celest dome]

Old time gun when it still were ironwrought had arquebuse that were the equivalent of 2.0 and hip fired

[near wasp]

Thats a .950 right

It is, so yeah thats the size of a bolter round

Ive heard people say bolters are .65, .75, and .95. That round is the largest option of that, so yes that is the right size, at least the bullet is.

[celest dome]

In HH. In 40k its standardised to 0.75 for most zbolter and 0.9 for Heavy Bolter.
With some higher calibre for the mounted ones (Tanks and titans and stuff)

[near wasp]

So that round is actually thicker than a heavy bolt.

[celest dome]

I'm not able to say the size of the calibre like that

[echo vault]

The caliber is yes

[near wasp]

Caliber is just an inch measurement of the diameter of the bullet

.50 cal is half an inch

[celest dome]

Still I have no idea what an inch look like. Much less in comparison to a human adult hand

[near wasp]

An inch is roughly the length of the average second segment of the index finger

[arctic talon]

1 inch is like 2.5 cms

aprox

[crystal forum]

i know what 6 inches looks like

[near wasp]

Its half as much as you think it is 0-0

[storm jungle]

it'd probably be more entertaining than Boltgun

[arctic talon]

Doom clone with no auto map in 2023

💀

[storm jungle]

I played it

Got all the achievements

Game was fun but then turned into a fucking slog

[arctic talon]

I still don't get why there isn't an automap

Literally Doom 2 had a really good automap

I don't see why a game made in 2023 doesn't have one

[storm jungle]

I brought that up in a meme

everyone got mad at me in the comments

"spoken like someone who never played doom"

"so basically just classic doom?"

idgaf if its classic doom asshole

the level design is dogshit

give me a map

[arctic talon]

CLASSIC DOOM HAS A FUCKING AUTOMAP

THE FUCK ARE THEY ON ABOUT

IT WAS SHIT

BUT IT STILL HAD ONE

[storm jungle]

I GOT NO IDEA

[arctic talon]

Like it wasn't great

but it worked lol

so anyone saying doom 1 didn't have an automap is a fucking dumbass lol

[storm jungle]

Here, look

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/1456myl/well_i_finally_played_boltgun/

the comments were legit

so mad, i loved it

[arctic talon]

I like how everyone who replied to the no map thing is like

there was a map

Like

as shit as the map in Doom 1 was

it was there

[storm jungle]

Also like...

Okay so?

Its tedious and annoying

[arctic talon]

That doesn't make it intresting game design lol

[storm jungle]

you know what makes interesting game design?

[arctic talon]

Ultrakill is a boomer shooter

[storm jungle]

spamming the same 3 bosses

[arctic talon]

it has no bullet sponges

it also has the best FPS bosses I've ever fought against

excluding Raid bosses in Destiny(they don't count)

but bullet sponges are boring

And things in boltgun were spongier then in a lot of Doom Hacks

so I don't think that even applies lol

Gameplay is solid though

aside from the boss fights

[storm jungle]

Yeah like

Boltgun is fun but also extremely

and I mean extremely

overrated

[arctic talon]

They could have done so much more for the bosses

the bosses sucked

I first timed GUO

[storm jungle]

Its just not fun after the first hour tbh

[arctic talon]

but lik

why

[storm jungle]

I got all i could out of 8 hours, i dont think im really gonna reinstall it ever again.

[arctic talon]

also the Lord of Change is the doom 2 archvile on crack

which instantly makes it go to F tier in game design

No one likes the archvile even in doom hacks for a reason

its just a shit enemy

to fight against

[storm jungle]

Its repetitive and tedious ye

[arctic talon]

and boltgun turned it into a boss with a fuckoff huge HP bar

so the joke about just oneshotting the archvile doesn't work

bcs you can't oneshot the lord of change lol

[storm jungle]

inb4

"Just use gravcannon/volkite"

bro i just want a fun bossfight

💀

[arctic talon]

it also makes it slow as shit

you literally have

to hide behind cover

constantly

bcs its the goddamn archvile on crack lol

[storm jungle]

YEP

It feels like uh

[arctic talon]

do the game designers like the Doom 2 archvile???

Because the original creator fucking hates it

[storm jungle]

they just looked at DOOM instead of copying any enemy behaviors from it

[arctic talon]

The community hates it

The Doom 2 archvile is "iconic" in a bad way

in the sense that its going to ruin your day instantly lol

[storm jungle]

Theres a reason its infamous yeah

[arctic talon]

Its why its so goddamn rare in doom hacks

NO ONE WANTS TO BALANCE AROUND IT

It turns every fight its part of

into hunt down archvile and kill it

or else you're gona get oneshot

alright I'm done with my archvile rant

but the Lord of Change being archvile 2 40k boogaloo

is fucking dumb

[storm jungle]

its bad game design

but of course

you get the defense of:

"ITS JUST LIKE OLD DOOM"

I played old doom

shut up about it

[arctic talon]

bruh

the people who designed old doom don't like it

there's a reason it never showed up after doom 2

till Doom 3 which was a horror game lol

[storm jungle]

the "its just like old boomer shooters" excuse applies to basically anything the devs do thats bad though is the issue

• Characters

• Map

• Enemies

• Abilities

etc etc

[arctic talon]

It also got a complete rework

In doom eternal

So it wouldn’t be aids

[storm jungle]

yeee

Eternal was fun

[arctic talon]

But holy fuck lol WHY

They nerfed it in the latest patch

It’s more tolerable now

Regarding the lord of change

[storm jungle]

too little too late i guess

[arctic talon]

Still the worst enemy in the game

Hit scan enemies shouldn’t exist in a boomer shooter environment

And if they do

They have to have delayed attacks

You can’t just have kaboom your dead

[storm jungle]

but

but

i can say generic space marine one liner

[arctic talon]

And get one shot by the lord of change on exterminatus

And before you say the game shouldn’t be balanced at that difficulty

Ultra violence is balanced in old dooms

So that’s bullshit lol

Anyways I beat the game and 100%’d it on exterminatus

Pretty enjoyable

Except for the bosses

[crimson kayak]

And even more balanced in the modern ones

Bolt gun was enjoyable but lacked novelty except "it's in 40k"

[arctic talon]

Yeah but people use the old boomer shooter argument

Which is daft

Bcs boltgun clearly isn’t balanced at exterminatus

[arctic talon]

Imo the novelty was the melee system

Even if it uh

Kinda sucked

[crimson kayak]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Also it was literal suicide to use on exterminatus

Do not press that button

[crimson kayak]

Would have liked if they leaned more in the ap/tabletop like upgrade system

[arctic talon]

That would have worked

Tbh

I do think it was cool

[crimson kayak]

Instead of making it secrets

[storm jungle]

"secrets"

[rose thorn]

watching the armchair historians video on ww2 from japanese perspective, theres alot of imperium parralels lmao

[storm jungle]

you mean literally in the fucking open

💀

[storm jungle]

oh jeez

[arctic talon]

Me when the evil government is like the evil fictional government

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[rose thorn]

LAMO

[storm jungle]

"IS THIS A WARHAMMER REFERENCE"

shows nazi germany

[arctic talon]

Sorry lol

I had a chance

[storm jungle]

i mean

[arctic talon]

I had to take it

[storm jungle]

its entirely true tho

we got mfers that think Dune was inspired by 40k

💀

[arctic talon]

💀

Ain’t no way

[storm jungle]

YES

When the movie came out

there were reddit posts

[arctic talon]

I’m krilling myself

[storm jungle]

so painful

[arctic talon]

I will say the weapons are relatively balanced in boltgun

So good on them for that

[crimson kayak]

Ye i liked the weapons

[arctic talon]

It’s not like doom eternal where I never touch half the alternate modes lol

[rose thorn]

lmAO i just meant about how the imperium used the same methods Japan used to make citizens suppoert the alt right military

[arctic talon]

Ye

[storm jungle]

lmfao

i mean yeah absolutely

[crimson kayak]

What I didn't like was the frogs

[rose thorn]

they even formed a cult which i never knew

[arctic talon]

Frogs 💀

Plague toads are the hell enemy

Of that game

[rose thorn]

plague taods, plsssssss i want them back

[storm jungle]

cant wait for H-Boltgun

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

they are like literally exactly nurgle should have ;~;

[arctic talon]

Okay beyond being a porn mod the fuck is the appeal of H-Doom

Is it even a good mod lol

[storm jungle]

literally nothing

like

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

its well animated i guess?

[arctic talon]

Incredible

[storm jungle]

and memes?

but ike

its a coomer mod

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Lol

Anyways please make the lord of changes attack like

A fireball

I don’t want to fight an archvile with a huge Hp bar

[storm jungle]

deal with it noob

https://tenor.com/view/diarrhea-archivile-doom-poop-demon-gif-23264297

[arctic talon]

That one isn’t the scary one

He’s reactable

[rose thorn]

ive ben wathcing more real life history for my dnd worlds geo politics because im psychotic and should have access to this much lore writing potential

[arctic talon]

Lol

Turn real life into homebrew

My favorite

[rose thorn]

frfr

i feel like the country my players are currently in are missing something, so im trying to get inspiration

[storm jungle]

Id say look at some warhammer fantasy empire states for inspiration

every small bit helps

[rose thorn]

they are not britian, and their king accidentally fucking died. and now i realize how much i accidentally stole form 40k

[storm jungle]

Lmao

you mean more like how much 40k stole from IRL

[rose thorn]

lmao

[storm jungle]

also

what level of tech are they on

i might recommend something

[rose thorn]

my players wanted the world to be set more technologically advance so i moved up to around 1850s

[storm jungle]

Ah

[rose thorn]

i got bullied into adding trains lmao

i love medieval politics so im trying to keep that access

[arctic talon]

Make them fight one covered in guns

[storm jungle]

look at some stuff like Dishonored for inspo, the Empire of the Isles has some great stuff

[arctic talon]

(This is a joke)

[rose thorn]

im happy with what i did with pirates

this is a sequal setting to one that took place around like

1820ish and long story short colonization

also im obsessed with changing species lore and making my own wild animals

[arctic talon]

If there’s magic

[rose thorn]

theres magic

[arctic talon]

Steal hextech from league of legends

And Chemtech

[rose thorn]

ive been thinking about it

im trying to keep magic releveant

by inlcuding careers and stuff that would just, be better with magic rather then tech

[arctic talon]

Ah

That makes sense

[rose thorn]

like instead of uisng the print press theres just wizards that use spells that control ink

and magic makes trading easier

[arctic talon]

Neat

[rose thorn]

and guns are exensive :<

[arctic talon]

Good

It’s the 1850s

Most guns that weren’t awful were super expensive back then

[rose thorn]

i wanan include steam punk stuff but i m thinking might just be dwarves only thing

also there are super hightech ruins across the world but imma ignore that atm

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rose thorn]

also im inspired alot form endless legends

[arctic talon]

I do think it’s fun how some people who use black powder in the league universe who are weak mages

Use magic to reload their guns

[rose thorn]

god i fucking love endless legends

[rose thorn]

THATS SO COOL OMG

[arctic talon]

They carve tiny runes into their guns to react to magic

Which have them spit out whatever they use to store ammo

So they can put in a fresh magazine/clip

[rose thorn]

i was thinking of bullets with enchantmetns i didnt even think of guns them selces with magic or magi cbeing used on guns

[arctic talon]

Is this still a gif?

No

One moment

https://images.contentstack.io/v3/assets/blt731acb42bb3d1659/blt83eeeda32a87f89b/5f5be42083eade441b6a6a45/04_thorn_optimized.gif

the whole feed mechanism is enchanted so it spits it out

at the users command

and then they can reload it with magic

[rose thorn]

also i need to introduce more industrialization

thastsa balelr af

my last camapign took place in a small state that banned all modernization because they wanted to keep their traditions

[arctic talon]

neat

[rose thorn]

even if it was killing the country

[arctic talon]

but magic and tech can work together great with a bigger focus on magic or tech

I.E noxian guns still use blackpowder because its cheap but since they're good at enchanting things they just enchant the whole damn gun instead

and then nations like Ionia have guns that are only usable by a mage

due to the nature of the ammo and how its been designed

The gun just doesn't work without magic

the bullets don't use black powder

but I think Riots take on industrilization and how nations react to it is very intresting

as different parts of the world adapt the technology to suit their own needs

[plush mason]

isnt there a kingdom in league that just says "no magic"?

[arctic talon]

Yes

they're also in a 3 way civil war because of it

[plush mason]

how do they make up for the fact they are shooting themselves in the foot militarily?

is like in age of wonders 3?

where the humans go "oh you have magic? we have tanks the size of cities"

[rose thorn]

writing TIME

i realized im missing the industrialzation of the country i forgot that was a thing lmao

[arctic talon]

Their bordars are small, they have allies around them who use magic and every single piece of equipment they have is infused with material that physically hurts mages to be around lol

This includes city walls, buildings, swords, shields

[plush mason]

nice

[arctic talon]

Now granted there's a secret they don't tell everyone about said material

it doesn't negate magic

it absorbs it

so eventually those things become literal bombs of magic

to be used offensively

[plush mason]

so an enemy mage could turn their soldiers into bombs if they go full blast

[arctic talon]

No because they use fresh equipment

the quantity of magic required is absurd

[plush mason]

ah

[arctic talon]

And they have other anti magic things

such as golems that react to it

that then use said magic to uh kill you

[rose thorn]

should i involve pollution?

[arctic talon]

Depends from place to place imo

[rose thorn]

fair

[arctic talon]

if the nation is concerned with such things, blah blah blah

maybe one nation could be focused on squeezing out every last drop of industrial output they can from the land

maybe another could loath doing so do to tradition or religious signifigance

ect.

[rose thorn]

trueee

fantasy britian tho, i need to reread my lore to see how ham they would go

[arctic talon]

if its based on the Victorian era they would ruin the land

as in black skies, endless smog, polluted rivers

[rose thorn]

yee

wha tthe fuck did i write the geography as

[arctic talon]

also don't shy away from child labor

[rose thorn]

oh, i didnt finish it

[arctic talon]

bcs can't have victorian era england without that

[arctic talon]

oof

oh wait I just realized Riots gona have to kill a kid in Arcane Season 2

Its time for Ekko's character development

[rose thorn]

im so proud of Lefran its a country im like half way done writing

i took a break form it but

[arctic talon]

👍

[rose thorn]

its a cold forest beach its wonderful

its obsessed wtih crystals that grwo on the beach

[plush mason]

AC Syndicate showed that fairly well afaik

[arctic talon]

Not polluted enough tbh

its def got that vibe tho

[plush mason]

no i mean the foreman just buying orphans to go work in his steel mill

[arctic talon]

oh

lmfao true

[rose thorn]

aAAAAA i love writing

[rose thorn]

IM SO JEALOUS OF RIOTS CHARACTER WRITING

i feel like im only good at world builidng

[arctic talon]

They have industry writers who do it for a living. You’re doing it as a hobby don’t hold yourself up to the same standards

[green loom]

It's ok just look at Seraphine

[crimson kayak]

Arcanum seems like something you should look at btw

It's a really great setting contrasting tech and magic on a more "logical" way

[arctic talon]

She doesn’t exist till they finish retconning her story

I refuse to aknowledge her lol

[crystal forum]

im trying to think of a joke for a video

here's my best shot

when a hammerfall bunker of the salamanders drops on the battlefield: https://youtu.be/13pgxOCHKh0

[winter vessel]

So was Talos lying to himself that his mother was the one who got shot dead by an Enforcer when the Night Lords were parading on Nostramo's surface? Xarl even pointed it out that it wasn't just a random old lady.

[crystal forum]

i will answer this question if you rate my joke out of 10

[winter vessel]

-10. It was stretch at first because I didn't know hammerfall bunkers were a thing

[crystal forum]

hell yeah

i have no idea who talos or xarl are

[winter vessel]

Does tzeentchian fuckery to change previous response

[crystal forum]

im ruined

[crisp heath]

Could an ogryn beat the stuffing out of one of those sword tyranids?

Like the one from space marine trailer

Or is this another one of those “they have the capabilities but their opponent wouldn’t give them the chance” type deal like with space marines

[storm jungle]

Tyranid Warriors are pretty smart

it entirely depends on how the ogryn fights it

so its a case of "either can win with the right strategy"

[queen laurel]

oh hey dilara perfect

Can I ask you something

[storm jungle]

Of course

[queen laurel]

so i'm going to make a squig godzilla, warlord Titan size, do you think it's having a prometheum breath that can be lit up with an special organ on the roof of its mouth can work as a breath weapon

Basically it can spit out organic promethium and then the organ on its mouth roof will release sparks to ignite it when it's coming out

[storm jungle]

More or less works i think yeah, if a fucking squig can literally transform into a organic petrol pump this isnt that out of the question either

[queen laurel]

So the back story is a runt herd wanted to have a very special squig and ask the rest of the ork boys for help, with the help of one of my my characters which is a painboy, they decided to biologically engineer a gigantic squig that that breaths organic promethium that can be ignited by a special organ on top of the squigs mouth

[storm jungle]

Yep it works

like i said squigs can basically become anything

and squiggoths exist

so its not that out of the question

[shadow plover]

there are fucking amplifier squigs, nothing is out of the picture

[queen laurel]

I got the idea of the breath weapon by combining the traits of a Hideous Zippleback and Monstrous Nightmare from how to train your dragon

[storm jungle]

very based 🙏

especially for design cues

[shadow plover]

so will this be 40k scale or Titanicus scale

[queen laurel]

the squig would be around warlord Titan size

If you're talking about that

I didn't wanna go over the top with imperator size

[shadow plover]

meant as in what will be the scale, normal tabletop 40k or the smaller Adeptus Titanicus game scale

[queen laurel]

I'm not familiar with those measurements

I am not planning to make a model just you know write it

[shadow plover]

ohhh

I thought it would be a model

I see I see

[queen laurel]

Yeah I am just planning to have it around warlord size

[shadow plover]

sounds cool

[queen laurel]

Yeah warlord is good enough going any bigger and this thing might be way too ridiculous

[shadow plover]

that too is massive by all means 😄

[queen laurel]

A giant biologically engineered squig that can breathe liquid promethium that is ignited with a special organ located on the roof of its mouth is already ridiculous, I will just spare The Imperials by making it the size of a warlord

[shadow plover]

quite so

[terse flume]

if you rip apart a tyranid i assume it would like, melt you? is that not accurate