40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

so dont expect much

[arctic talon]

Lol

What tech priest doesn’t

[winter vessel]

This one always makes me laugh for an imperial Guard vehicle

[arctic talon]

Name shit after themselves

[storm jungle]

the deathstrike works

its literally just Cold War U.S vehicle

[arctic talon]

It works for what it’s meant to do

Aka

Carry missile

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Shoot missile

[storm jungle]

Enjoy the fallout my fellow troops

[arctic talon]

I wish they’d remove the bolter on it

[winter vessel]

You run like, 20 of these death strikes on table top

[arctic talon]

But then it would actually be awful lol

[green loom]

Jim Carrey Missile

[winter vessel]

I do like the one where it has the anti aircraft turret

[arctic talon]

BROTHER I’VE BEEN BLINDED

This mother fucking land speeder

Is the origin

Of all the stupid primaris ones

Dark Angel players must pay for their sins

[green loom]

I'd like it if they removed the front gunner

It's just

Why

[winter vessel]

Look at those plasma cannons, that is gonna be one hell of a light show

[storm jungle]

oh my fucking god

i forgot that thing existed

just

STOP

[arctic talon]

It would literally blind the marine lol

[winter vessel]

Single use turret

[arctic talon]

It’s more stupid then the primaris one

Because at least for those

The gunner isn’t gona go blind instantly

[celest dome]

Wait, where are the legs of the front gunner ?

[arctic talon]

Everytime you shoot it lol

[storm jungle]

I remember a meme on the primaris landspeeder or ATV i think where the gunner marine is like

[arctic talon]

Don’t worry about it

[storm jungle]

"Brother just tune out the audio from your helmet!"

[arctic talon]

The Mario kart?

[green loom]

Exclusively for marines with missing legs

[storm jungle]

then he blinds him with the muzzle flash

[arctic talon]

Oh

Lmfao

That’s the Mario kart

Is it bad I kind of like the Mario kart lol

[storm jungle]

RELASE THE BANANA PEEL BATTLE BROTHER

also no?

[arctic talon]

It’s like

[storm jungle]

Mario Kart is great

[arctic talon]

Kind of in that right zone between goofy and kinda neat

[green loom]

You can like all of these, it's not wrong to be wrong

[arctic talon]

Lol

[winter vessel]

“Now this is pod racing!” blasts all the other racers on the Tatooine track

[storm jungle]

oh you mean the mini

die

[arctic talon]

[stark cargo]

Until you put primaris in them

[arctic talon]

Mario Kart double dash

[winter vessel]

Only blue shells modifier

[stark cargo]

Hey. Put armor everywhere. Except to protect the soldiers

[arctic talon]

Dark eldar grindset

[stark cargo]

On a vehicle that's supposed to be fast. 😬

Imho that's why the first landspeeder models work. They are ugly, but make some kind of sense

[crystal forum]

seriously though have you seen the amount of different space marine captains

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crystal forum]

this doesnt even include the primaris variants

why the FUCK is there a model with rules specifically for a weapon

[crimson kayak]

Funny cause it's the one I like the most lol

[arctic talon]

this is out of date

btw

The master-crafted bolt rifle guy got rolled into the normal gravis set

[crystal forum]

what's phobos armour

[echo vault]

Stealthy marine armor used for primaris marines like the reivers and specific stealth units

[crystal forum]

i thought scouts were meant to be the stealth guys

[echo vault]

There's more stealth now for full primaris marines

[coarse pumice]

phobos is them ripping off eldar again

because they realised striking scorpions could sneak around in 'eavy armour

[storm jungle]

Primaris marines' deal is basically

Weapon type exists

Make a unit on it

Reavers are suppose to be "terror/sabotage troops" but the lore literally said in the past thats the job of the fucking scouts

[ivory chasm]

do ogryns get any chainswords or such in the lore?

[frosty stag]

Ogryn space marines were a thing so probably

[languid salmon]

… since when?

[frosty stag]

I heard from another lore nut that they had them

But they were too uncontrollable and strong they stopped producing them

[languid salmon]

These?

[crimson kayak]

Different things, also they weren't that uncontrollable, it was just hard/frowned upon to produce them

[frosty stag]

Oooh

[storm jungle]

Ogryns can use anything they want

their weapons just tend to be limited because tabletop

[languid salmon]

or just break them because ogryns

[hollow lantern]

So those aren't really ogryn space marines, there's no genetic imprinting, they are however called Charonites and a Charonite was an Ogryn who was, from memory, augged to shit, as in those weapons are no coming off their hands, and the masks would pump in combat drugs like Frenzon.

While not being "Ogryn Space Marines" they were designed to kill Astartes during the Horus Heresy

Bonus fun fact for you, they were apart of the Solar Auxilia

[storm jungle]

Yeah its all in the wiki, they dont have too much lore

[crystal forum]

well this is one hell of a chapter intro

[storm jungle]

Oh shit its my cameo

[crystal forum]

[storm jungle]

but also yeah BL uses those words here and there

the only thing you wont hear is "fuck"

[crystal forum]

im just imagining ben counter trying to think of a good start to the chapter

he just had to emphasize the two names

[echo vault]

Does this symbol for the 8 winds of magic imply the wind across from one another are opposed? (Light and shadow, death and metal)

[storm jungle]

It KINDA depends

most of the Winds the Imperials use tend to be balanced in nature since wizards will only go for a singular wind and focus on that

its the rogue psyker equilavent of fantasy sorcerors that take and use the more sus winds like death for nefarious purposes

[arctic talon]

there were parts that of the production that were being debated as tech heresy we don't know what parts however

[arctic talon]

Primaris are literally great value Aspect Warriors

in terms of their units

[storm jungle]

Yeah this was a meme when they were noticed to literally stealing what aspect warriors do.

[arctic talon]

Actually aspect warriors kinda suck this edition

so maybe not lol

but regardless

[arctic talon]

Primaris on the tabletop function nothing like they do in lore lol

[storm jungle]

actually

[arctic talon]

like you won't get an entire fucking squad of just guys with bolters

in lore

[storm jungle]

in lore its established they got an obvious downside because they are trained to use hyperspecific weapons

but like

[arctic talon]

Its a gun

[storm jungle]

why are you acknowledging this

[arctic talon]

you point and shoot it

[arctic talon]

also this literally has lore against it as well

In the 9e codex

[storm jungle]

Primaris Plasmacessors when they run out of ammo and dont know how to pull the trigger on any other weapon

[arctic talon]

but yeah its really silly how they function on the tabletop

and its literally just to make it easier for new players to make a "choice"

[storm jungle]

yeah its why i mis the firstborn

[arctic talon]

tbh

[storm jungle]

you know when like

[arctic talon]

firstborn are suprisingly

[storm jungle]

Tactical Marines

[arctic talon]

still better

[storm jungle]

were actually Tactical

[arctic talon]

also Sternguard at least finally like

are like firstborn

while being primaris sorta

they're in MK10 armor so I'm gona call them primaris

but they actually have loadout variety

[storm jungle]

thanks GW

also MK9 Power Armor be like:

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[arctic talon]

but still

Primaris on the tabletop are like aspect warriors

but lamer

[storm jungle]

pretty much

[arctic talon]

The one exception is this edition but it seems like whoever wrote the eldar index had a hardon for wraith units

and hates aspect warriors

[storm jungle]

what primaris weapon-specific unit do we not have so far?

Jetpacks are one

[arctic talon]

Volkite(not happening)

[storm jungle]

Heavy weapons too i think

[arctic talon]

grav(not happening)

[storm jungle]

what else hm

[arctic talon]

we don't have variety packs

for heavy weapons

[storm jungle]

yeah devastators

[arctic talon]

or an assault squad equivelent

[storm jungle]

I LITERALLY

JUST SAID THAT

💀

[arctic talon]

I'm stupid

my BRAIN IS SLOW

OKAY

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Command squad

ig

[storm jungle]

yeah they are kinda

running out

OH WAIT also scouts

thats ez money

[arctic talon]

There's a rumor about that lol

there's gona be a striking scorpions vs scouts killteam set

which is gona be funny as shit

bcs there's only gona be like 5 eldar

and like 12 marines

[storm jungle]

Yeah we got a kill-team tease with that with the threat from the voiceover being designated as aeldari

also bro

scorpions would literally

eat scouts for lunch

They got Mr Krabs claws that can tear apart power-armor

[arctic talon]

unironically its prolly gona be in the scouts favor from a gameplay pov

bcs of the quantity of bodies

[storm jungle]

Oh extremely so

[arctic talon]

but I have no clue how fast they're gona make scorps lol

[storm jungle]

same

but like

new minis so dont care

[arctic talon]

so if scorps are fast in KT they can uh

commit harlequin

[storm jungle]

also that

[arctic talon]

which is kill unit -> kill unit -> kill unit

but GW is finally trying to make a more elite team again

which is neat

[storm jungle]

yeah and KT has proven to be basically "Model/Army Experiment: The Game"

and its been very positive so far

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

the Elucidian Starstriders walked so these guys could run

[arctic talon]

the one killteam that hasn't sold well

is the inqusition one

[storm jungle]

LEL

[arctic talon]

but thats bcs they barely made any lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah because the minis are just not itneresting

[arctic talon]

the dark eldar one is STILL OUT OF STOCK

[storm jungle]

and the cultists were pre-existing

[storm jungle]

LEL

[arctic talon]

Everytime its back in stock

it gets bought up

[storm jungle]

to be fair

[arctic talon]

its not even like its super rare

[storm jungle]

the minis in that box slap

[arctic talon]

oh absolutely

I'd say I want new kabalites

but I think a haemonculi player would literally flay me alive

bcs haemonculi covens are still like mostly resin lol

[storm jungle]

Dark Eldar minis are mostly fine but can deffo use an update

also ye

lmao

[arctic talon]

Its just covens tbh

that need the update

[storm jungle]

dark eldar also have like

no special character

at all

[arctic talon]

they have 3 plastic kits lol

Its just Leilith and Urien

[storm jungle]

vect hasnt gotten a mini since 1923

[arctic talon]

and both of them lowkey are uh

very boring as characters

Urien is just the oldest goddamn eldar alive

and is incredibly evil

and Lelith is just archetypical gladiator

[storm jungle]

no Duke Sliscus 💔

no Lady Malys 💔

[arctic talon]

Malys and Vect should get minis

[storm jungle]

100%

vect already fucking had one

[arctic talon]

considering THEY GET MENTIONED SO FUCKING MUCH

[storm jungle]

but it was from like

the bombing of pearl harbor

[arctic talon]

the pimp barge

💀

[storm jungle]

💀

Malys also literally

gets mentioend constantly

in the new kill team book

FUCK SAKES

[arctic talon]

it also doesn't even fit him

like

personality wise lol

why is it so small

it was smaller then the venom mini back then

[storm jungle]

Lmao yup

if vect gets a mini

it pretty much has to be big centerpiece one

something akin to Katakros

[arctic talon]

also I'm really sad the venom doesn't have its forgeworld upgrade sprue anymore

where you could glue a giant fuck off shuriken cannon to the back of it lol

[storm jungle]

same

also Tantalus Moment

[arctic talon]

god the succubus and archon minis could do with an update

and hameonculis

actually

no wonder 99% of the archon's I see on the tabletop are converted lol

[storm jungle]

also all from the visarch

because fur

[arctic talon]

this does not look cool

[storm jungle]

you should see the archon mini before it

that shit was PIMPIN'

[arctic talon]

I've seen archons converted out of autarchs a good bit

its pretty funny

[storm jungle]

this was the shit

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[arctic talon]

objectively better in every way tbh

[storm jungle]

yeah i got no idea why they scrapped it

[arctic talon]

Resin

[storm jungle]

💀

[arctic talon]

GW was on a mission to kill all finecast in 7e

so they released like

[storm jungle]

bastards

[arctic talon]

19 goddamn characters

1-2 per faction in 7e

just to kill finecast ones that looked fine

[crimson kayak]

I mean, we could be getting finally a good reason for why the warp ghosts got futuristic gear for horus heresy standards lol, they stole Cawl's first blueprints

[arctic talon]

the current haemonculi, succubus and archon minis are all from 7e

and they uh don't look good

[arctic talon]

these 2 minatures came out in the same year

[crimson kayak]

They literally sell you 4 scions to use them with lol

[arctic talon]

its just to pad out the team

also the team sucks

Also even funnier the Sister of Silence they get is just an objectively worse version of the talons of the emperor teams one

the team is honestly just an absolute mess of ideas

[storm jungle]

I REMEMBER

People losing their shit at that

because the old inquisitorial stormtroopers were legit great

and you just get

reskinned kasrkin

fuck off

[arctic talon]

I'm unironically upset

at that KT lol

its so fucking bad

the minis aren't even that good

they're so damn incoherent

[crimson kayak]

Wait what

They had the scion models didn't they?

[arctic talon]

yeah

this was the "special" scion attache lol

the funniest thing

this isn't even the right color scheme

they just took an existing scion color scheme and called it a day lol

[crimson kayak]

Oh so I wasn't the only one that already saw the scheme

[arctic talon]

Inqusitorial Scions ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE THIS

Like they wanted to make a generic inqusition kill team sure

I'm okay with that

But holy fuck the execution was godawful

[storm jungle]

No no

thats just a random regiment scheme

[crimson kayak]

I mean, tbf all scion regiments are either black and red, teal or green

[arctic talon]

is it?

I just forgor

[storm jungle]

THESE were the OG Inquisitorial stormtroopers

[arctic talon]

I am aware

[storm jungle]

I know

die

[arctic talon]

but there is an offical color scheme for Sicons attached to inqusitors

and I can't find it now

because I have brain damage

[storm jungle]

Good

that means i win

[crimson kayak]

This is the only Inquisitorial stormtrooper i trust

[storm jungle]

yeah thats what the minis i posted are based on

they had the box helmet

its great

now you get uh

[crimson kayak]

(also heavy bolter stormtrooper)

[storm jungle]

whatever tf this is

totally not a kasrkin

[arctic talon]

great value storm trooper

[crimson kayak]

And also the old stormtroopers actually used hot shot and not hellguns lol

[arctic talon]

they're the same damn thing

from a murder the target perspective

They use them interchangeably so much I give up on differentiating between the 2

[storm jungle]

my favorite thing regarding this subject

is going to the lexi and seeing this

look at the fucking citations

[arctic talon]

same book

[storm jungle]

you love to goddamn see it

[arctic talon]

anyone who insists on one name is accurate and the other isn't I'm sorry book say no

[frosty stag]

Nurgle should win honestly

Waiting for the day nurgle wins the race to owning 40,000 warhammers

[crimson kayak]

Lol, I was mentioning it more as them being the only models using hot shot packs

[arctic talon]

There is another

[crimson kayak]

There is?

Honestly never saw it

[arctic talon]

new kasrkin sharpshooter has it

except it got introduced in gallowdark which is on board a ship

[crimson kayak]

Yeah but I consider that more of a big long Las tbh

Wich also uses hotshot packs

[arctic talon]

fair

[winter vessel]

I kinda like old and new designs for the Tempestus Scions

[arctic talon]

I want the old stormtrooper kit to be updated

an an actual like

Inqusition army be possible on the tabletop again lol

[frosty stag]

I think a phy ogryn would be pretty cool

[queen laurel]

They are becoming more common as the setting go on because of the opening of the riff or something I don't remember but they are becoming pretty common

[frosty stag]

Oh damn

[queen laurel]

If you want to know more detail just ask one of the more common people here, my brain is a bit fuzzy when it comes to other lore not related to orks

[frosty stag]

Lol

[arctic talon]

Psyker ogryn are popping up more and more

Due to the psychic awakening

[frosty stag]

Could an ork beat the god emperor in a nude handfight?

[queen laurel]

Well physically I don't know how strong the emperor was

Because that ******* would probably use magic more than anyone else

[frosty stag]

Damn

[arctic talon]

Depends on how big the ork is

[crimson kayak]

Primeork could imo

Can't say for any of the normal warbosses througu

[queen laurel]

You mean the one in the beast?

[crimson kayak]

There's multiple, but yes

One was as big as a building after all

[queen laurel]

Yeah and it was strong enough to rival vulcan, the tallest of the emperor's son

[desert dust]

I really wish I liked the beast Aries series more but I actually got far more into the head assassin dealing with the council of dip shits than anything else in the series.
Except a few of the basically one shot stories like the woman who's gonna ||VB her own world|| and the iron warriors and imperial fists been bros for once.

The main story of each book was really forgettable

[rose thorn]

I am obsessed with the necromunda water guild

Something just

Hits

[summer rover]

the atoma water cartel not doin' it for ya?

[rose thorn]

Oh I don’t play Darktide

I don’t have it because I don’t got enough ram lmao

[queen laurel]

how are you in this server

[rose thorn]

Huh???

[queen laurel]

i am genuinely curious

[rose thorn]

I’ve been in this server since like, the game was announced or something

[queen laurel]

you don't play dark tide you said, so how did you stumble upon this server

[rose thorn]

Oh I was excited for trh game then o realize I need to buy more ram

So I put it off, so o put it off, so I put it off

And here j am with 8 ram still

[queen laurel]

well at least you didn't feel despair when the game turned out to be not the best condition

[rose thorn]

I mostly just play like, single player puzzle games and rogue likes

[rose thorn]

Don’t look at my hours on payday 2, I played that game when it was terrible.

Nothing can be as bad as like,

50% of payday 2 history

[queen laurel]

When did they release payday two again

[rose thorn]

Good question

It’s a timeless phantom

2013

The head that doesn’t exist

Year

[queen laurel]

More of a first person shooter guy or action games

Also sandbox games that I can just **** around with

[rose thorn]

Oh dbd is like the only fps I consistently play

But like that barely counts

[queen laurel]

The only current game I'm playing is Roblox, but it's mostly with friends and the game I'm playing in Roblox is not you know dumb enough that I just wanna throw it out of the window

I mostly also look for new workshop mods for gmod or people playground

[rose thorn]

I love these bastards so much

Image quality what the fuck

[queen laurel]

are these supposed to be the mechanicus?

[rose thorn]

No

They are a noble class merchants on necromunda who control and manage the water supply

[queen laurel]

not gonna lie the one in the front really has the mechanicus aesthetic

[rose thorn]

Well they are willing to work with/hire gangs to protect them while they extract water from corpses

Due to the limited amount of drinkable water

[queen laurel]

least horrific source of water in the hive city

[crystal forum]

can't they just collect piss water

[queen laurel]

speaking of necromunda is there any chaos cults around the place seems like a perfect breeding ground for that type of thing

[rose thorn]

They do

But there literally isn’t enough water

And they control all of it

[crystal forum]

god bless the free market

[queen laurel]

Let me guess if you accidentally **** with them you can magically wonder why your water suddenly disappeared

[rose thorn]

Oh nah they will hook you up to a device and extract your water from your body

[queen laurel]

Oh yes torture definitely a better alternative than dehydration

[rose thorn]

If I play necromunda I might make a water guild themed hang

[queen laurel]

I already made an ork gang, but since this is necromunda they rarely show themselves, they often work as mercenaries

[arctic talon]

Plenty

There's one thats playable

the Corpse grinder

[queen laurel]

But since this is necromunda, they are kept in check by the sheer fact that this place is practically one of the most dangerous places in the Galaxy

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

is it just me or are astartes "mechs" getting ridiculous

i have no idea when the centurion came about but i can't be the only one that finds it dumb as hell

[shadow plover]

it's old

like 6th edition old

[crystal forum]

it feels new because i never see it anywhere

[shadow plover]

and yes those are awful, but the grey knight's dreadknight is worse

Centurions would be fine if the legs were longer and not that stumpy. Seen pretty good looking modifications of them

[queen laurel]

on artwork it looks pretty cool on the table top not so much

[crystal forum]

and then there's those literal dreadnoughts that are piloted by normal primaris marines like the alien cargo lifter thing

[shadow plover]

yeah that's exactly the issue with the legs, most artwork have longer legs

Eh, Invictor is pretty decent in the end

dude has a heavy bolter as a pistol

that's very cool

[queen laurel]

That's still nothing compared to the dread knight

that one is literally a baby carrier

[crystal forum]

seriously what the fuck

[shadow plover]

it's fine

[queen laurel]

I don't mind the redemptor I mean at least you know it follows the tradition of you put the dead guy inside the machine

[shadow plover]

only funny thing about it is that it's supposed to be stealthy

[queen laurel]

And then invictor looks like your average Mech

[crystal forum]

why even have a dreadnought if it the tomb part of it is unecessary

[shadow plover]

or rather it's redefined as a scout in 10th

redemptor is great, love it

[queen laurel]

invictor?

[shadow plover]

yea

[queen laurel]

It's supposed to be a stealth Mech

[crystal forum]

im talking about the one piloted by a normal primaris

[queen laurel]

You know what I'm gonna let it go

[shadow plover]

the thing is invictor isn't a dread, just a drivable mech, I'd argue lorewise the thing isn't as natural to pilot as being hardwired to a dread with the positive side that you don't need to be mortally mangled and entombed within it

look at him with his biggest iron

amazing

[crystal forum]

and it can use it in melee

[shadow plover]

yess

[queen laurel]

Yeah but since they don't really have any actual rideable mechs for marines they just had to base it on the dreadnought chassis

[shadow plover]

well vehicles can use weapons in melee anyways

[crystal forum]

i'll be controversial

invictus should be for sororitas

[queen laurel]

Don't say that I don't want that thing to look more religious

[crystal forum]

or another branch

[shadow plover]

ehh, they're fine with their nundams

[crystal forum]

i just dont get the point of putting a marine in a mech

[queen laurel]

I am wacking you with a snazzhammer for that

[shadow plover]

why'd you put a marine in a tank

[crystal forum]

exactly i dont get that either

[queen laurel]

This is the imperium they will do anything to show they are superior which means they will do impractical giant war machines because they can

[crystal forum]

i get the APC's and shit

[shadow plover]

well first and foremost, more units to field in a cool game of 40k, secondly more armour is always more armour with extra firepower as well

[crystal forum]

i just wish GW could give the same treatment to other armies

[shadow plover]

they will once they sell as well

(never)

[queen laurel]

Space marines are the main selling point of warhammer that's going to be a long while, the only reason why orks have orktober is because the army sells decently enough

The other factions don't have such luxury

It's always the turn of the dice who will get the next model

[crystal forum]

i feel like it's entirely a feedback loop of GW promoting the shit out of marines and then people buying them

[shadow plover]

they're also the easiest army to paint for kids which are like 80% of the customer base

[crystal forum]

i don't even think that's been true since the 2000's

no kid can afford this hobby

[shadow plover]

their moms buy them

in a recent podcast with former GW employees said as much, the biggest portion of sold products are for forty-something women

[crystal forum]

buying video games is cheaper than this hobby

[shadow plover]

https://youtu.be/-63A7cDkOm8

it's a fun little podcast with the former painting presenter Peachy,he has cool people visit it every now and then

silly clickbait titles though

[arctic talon]

Tbh

GW’s contrasts are the one of the only paints I’ll buy from them

They’re by far the best in the market for that sorta stuff

[shadow plover]

Yeah, they talk a lot about them in this episode besides all the other stuff I mentioned prior

They spent like 5 years designing them

[crystal forum]

like every video from this channel is full of comments about the titles

[arctic talon]

It feels that way tbh

As much as I love Vallejo

Xpress cannot compare

[arctic talon]

Because dreadnoughts are meant to preserve the marine

The invictor is quite silly tho

[crystal forum]

that's what im saying

[arctic talon]

And dreads are quite rare in lore

And the invictor is even rarer

Bcs it’s like

A scheme by cawl to get rid of his extra stubbers

[crystal forum]

rare my ass that's just an excuse for writers to ignore the incredibly useful device that could fix a lot of problems

[arctic talon]

Dreads are rare tbf

The admech would rather produce legio cybernetica parts

Then dreadnought ones lol

[celest dome]

Cawl needing a quick cash scheme to be able to buy more stuff

[arctic talon]

Lol

[wooden ridge]

I was spamming them in DoW, lol and it felt so wrong

[arctic talon]

Tbh if DoW gameplay was lore accurate

I’d have killed the entire blood ravens chapter

[crystal forum]

if they're so rare then why are there so many dread variants

[arctic talon]

Literally becuase they sell well

Lol

[celest dome]

Cause space is pretty big and GW like money

[queen laurel]

To be fair those production facilities are not lore accurate because i'm pretty sure they won't have that much space marines bodies lying around

[arctic talon]

There’s like 20 dreads max per chapter

On average

Exceptions being iron hands and some other weirdos

[crystal forum]

that's a lot

[arctic talon]

I mean

Not really?

They don’t have sarcophagi to fill all of them

[crystal forum]

can you imagine 20 dreads on a battlefield

[shadow plover]

Think ludonarrative dissonance applies here too

[arctic talon]

Yes

Because the eldar do it all the time

[crystal forum]

imagine 20 leviathan dreadnoughts 😳

[arctic talon]

Lol

Most chapters don’t even own one lol

[celest dome]

Most chapter are on multiple wars at the same time, and the war we see are smaller parts of bigger ones, like no sense putting the 20 Dread at the same place

[arctic talon]

But if we take tabletop to be accurate to lore

[shadow plover]

Levis were rare and precious during the Heresy already

[arctic talon]

Then every chapter has 3 of them

With heresy era weapons intact

And 3 contemptors with volkite

[wooden ridge]

Finally a dreadnought with knees.. 👀

[crystal forum]

tell that to horus when he virus bombed like 3 of them

[arctic talon]

The primaris dreads having knees are nice

Makes them much more poseable

[wooden ridge]

When I was playing it I didn't know much about the universe so I though they were just regular mechs with normal humans inside

[arctic talon]

Lol

Tbf dreads are super good

[shadow plover]

tell it to Khan as well when he Batista Bombed one from a space elevator

[crystal forum]

i like that they don't have those dumb helmet things

[arctic talon]

Same with wraithlords lol

https://tenor.com/view/wraithlord-dawn-of-war-warhammer40k-eldar-execute-gif-23589664

[wooden ridge]

The executions in that game were just pure gold

[arctic talon]

The sync kills were great

I really like the chaos and necron ones

[arctic talon]

This one is always funny to me with how alive the wraith lord looks

Trying to rip off the defilers head lol

[wooden ridge]

I also like some when heroes, like chaplain kills bigger enemies, like bloodthirster

[coarse pumice]

Vent’s Dias? It was the same size as a raider

[queen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/killa-kan-dawn-of-war-orks-waaagh-execute-gif-23576702

[coarse pumice]

The venom wasn’t out then either

[queen laurel]

What's funny about this one is it's a killer can

[arctic talon]

Wait you’re right

I always get the 2 mixed up

[arctic talon]

Killa kans funny

[queen laurel]

it's always funny that it wasn't a Deff Dread

[crystal forum]

arent those things piloted by grots

[arctic talon]

A really angry grot yes

[crystal forum]

a fucking grot kills a dread

[arctic talon]

Not a snotling

Grots are really smart

They’re more kunnin then most orks

[wooden ridge]

He believed really hard

[crystal forum]

can you imagine him coming back to the warboss

[arctic talon]

Promotion inbound lol

[echo vault]

Killa kans have Gretchen, deff dreds have orks

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/dreadnought-dawn-of-war-space-marines-execute-dark-angels-gif-23567064

Also this sync kill is cool

But most of the dread/vehicle sync kills are weird

Bcs they should totally be fine

[arctic talon]

Like the dread just gets it’s armed hacked off

[echo vault]

I wanna know more goofy Warhammer fantasy/40k food

[arctic talon]

Ambull?

Ambull meat is considered super tasty in 40K lol

Only issue being the ambull can tunnel through pretty much anything

And can crack open a tank

[celest dome]

Fire wine in Fantasy, it's a wine that if you're not a Magician or similar, or have one in your ancestor you just immolate

[echo vault]

True, ambots are cool

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[queen laurel]

yep, so imagine being a 100 year old space marine warrior and getting killed by a goblin mushroom that got shoved into a metal trash can

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah the tau have a green rice like food

[crystal forum]

his ancestors are not looking too proud right now

just imagine the other marines seeing that

[arctic talon]

And water caste tau seem to be vegetarian

Based on like 3 excerpts lol

[crystal forum]

"did ancient alexis just yet violated by a screaming pile of junk?"

[echo vault]

Cheese

[queen laurel]

yes, yes he ******* did

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah dark eldar enjoy eating Medusae “fruit”. These fruit are produced by a Medusae when they feed in memories and consuming one allows you to relive them

@echo vault

They’re described as sweet and pulpy

[crystal forum]

i forgot to mention earlier that a deathstrike fires its load in my book

a vortex missile

[celest dome]

Night Goblins make beer out of Mushroom, which usually make them crazy (Crazier than before)

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah some night goblins in AoS broke into the realm of death to look for new mushrooms to get high off of

[celest dome]

The Not French hunt and eat Giant Snails

[echo vault]

Swag

[arctic talon]

Hm

Technically most dark eldar characters are immortal

I’m suprised they don’t get swarmlorded

[celest dome]

Most Dwarf alcohol can also serve as fuel for machineries

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah most poor dark eldar are cannibals lol

[echo vault]

Ussingen made cheese

[arctic talon]

When tech priests hold dinner parties for those who still have mouths people who can’t eat are given bowls of scented liquid instead of meals

[crystal forum]

i love how militarum generals hate space marines

[arctic talon]

Lol

It’s so fun

[crystal forum]

because when you actually think about it, space marines are probably the worst fighting forces to actually win wars

[arctic talon]

Hm

I think it’s pretty funny that all the dark eldar minis and units are all of the upper caste lol

Then again I suppose that applies to a lot of factions

[crystal forum]

except guardsmen

[arctic talon]

Some regiments def draft from the richer

Vostryan, vitrians

Some others I forgor

[crystal forum]

for officers yeah

[arctic talon]

Not for vostryans or the vitrian dragoons

They both draft from the upper class of their planet

[shadow plover]

Tanith arguably drafted all the richest people in that world

[arctic talon]

[green loom]

There's these guys also

[arctic talon]

True

[crystal forum]

tanith doesn't have a world L bozo

[arctic talon]

There’s almost certainly gona be some guard regiment that exclusively recruits rich people

Or people in the upper classes

Regarding what factions aren’t made up mostly of upper caste people

Tau, Guard(on average),Votaan, Craftworld eldar, Orks(sorta),

[shadow plover]

suppose space marines as well for they're just made from stolen/drafted/selected kids

[arctic talon]

Tbh once they’re space marines they’re upper caste

[green loom]

A lot of Ultramarines are pulled from Noble houses

[crystal forum]

you dont see tau civilians in the game do ya

[arctic talon]

Fire warriors aren’t super high on the totem pole

They’re career soldiers sure

But they usually aren’t very wealthy or have any real political sway

[arctic talon]

Imo by that logic druhkari kabals are made up of poor people

[shadow plover]

also you're forgetting GSC, they're nothing but lower caste workers and laborers

[arctic talon]

Oh

True

How did I forget gsc lol

[crystal forum]

yeah but gene stealers dont have the gen 1 guys

the ones that are still fully human

[arctic talon]

That’s not part of the generation cycle actually

🤓

Gen 1 genestealer hybrids are pretty inhuman

[shadow plover]

every genestealer cultists has the nid gene, those that look human are just 4th or 5th generation so it doesn't show as well

[arctic talon]

5th is when it’s a pure strain iirc

3 and 4 can blend in decently

1 and 2 can’t

[shadow plover]

isn't pure strain just a genestealer

[crystal forum]

stop stealing my jeans

[shadow plover]

of that note, did you see in the new genestealer reveals the community article title for them "Hide your trousers"

[arctic talon]

Yeah but gen 5 hybrids are purestrains

[shadow plover]

I see

[arctic talon]

Gen 3 usually have 3 arms

Sometimes 2

[crystal forum]

i think i asked this before but what if a genestealer gene steals a space marine

[arctic talon]

Gen 4 are just humans with ridges

[arctic talon]

Space marines don’t have sex so

[crystal forum]

prove it

[arctic talon]

The only part that applies is the mild hypnosis

[arctic talon]

Do you want me to get the excerpt of a inqusitor saying a marine has a large you know what

[shadow plover]

well it was theorized (in-lore) that the hiveguard are from space marine genestock

[arctic talon]

And it’s a shame he can’t use it lol

[crystal forum]

can't or won't

[arctic talon]

Both prolly

Marines have 0 sex drive

The emperor does not like the idea of his test tube children making more children

[crystal forum]

what about custodes

[arctic talon]

They also have 0 sex drive

They can form friendships

[crystal forum]

this is why the horus heresy started

[arctic talon]

But not a romantic relationship

[crystal forum]

you cannot remove sex from a man and expect everything to be ok

[celest dome]

The Primarch had sex drives no ? Fulgrim at least

[arctic talon]

His marriages were for political stuff

[crystal forum]

i can't believe that ferrus manus is confirmed to be coming back next

[celest dome]

For HH ?

[crystal forum]

for 40k

[echo vault]

In real life

[crystal forum]

leaked info

[celest dome]

Honestly if all the Primarch got tanks named after them it would be strange but not that weird

[crystal forum]

except the baneblade has its own fucked up name convention

[celest dome]

Most tank aren't named after Primarchs

Only the Leman Russ and the new Dorn ones

[crystal forum]

i want to be annoying today so i'll ask what tanks

you cannot run

[celest dome]

Take the Leman Russ variants and the Dorn tank and you have the rest https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Astra_Militarum_Vehicles_(List)#Tanks

[crystal forum]

name them damn it

just give me a couple

[celest dome]

Malcador, Macharius, Destroyer, Thunderer, Hellhound ad Bane Wolf

Happy ?

[crystal forum]

hehehehheh you fucked up buddy

destroyer and thunderer aren't tanks

they're self propelled guns

[celest dome]

Baneblade, Banehammer, Stormlord, Stormhammer,

[crystal forum]

does anybody even buy baneblades and its brothers

from what i hear they're useless

[shadow plover]

I've seen a few

haven't checked how good they're in 10th, I'd recon pretty great given how much better all vehicles are across the board

well if they're not too expensive pointwise

[wooden ridge]

Was the dark age of technology Hi-Tech or it also looked like a retro-futuristic medieval age? 👀

[shadow plover]

a bit in between I think given the few relics from that era we know of

[celest dome]

Depend on the area, but most likely Higher tech

[wooden ridge]

I am not sure I know them, could you provide any examples of such?

[wooden ridge]

Warhammer 20k wen

[shadow plover]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dark_Age_of_Technology#Creations_of_the_Dark_Age

[wooden ridge]

Thanks a bunch.. So sad there are so few pictures 😢

[shadow plover]

🫡

[crimson kayak]

Consider it Hi-tech but with a more rugged look

Most of the time

Then you get the weird stuff wich can literally be anything

As it ranges from stuff like the Interex centaur power armour to the IH keys of hel that turns into a t-800

To then move toward stuff like the Votann, men of iron and ecc.

[pine wedge]

Jantine Patricians come to mind, and I read about the Scintillan Fusiliers just the other day who might be an even better example.

[crimson kayak]

0r there's lots of noble/rich only regiments

[pine wedge]

Dark Age of Technology relics are described as looking quite futuristic compared to the neo-gothic aesthetic the Imperium has going on. I just re-read First and Only and the Men of Iron STC that Gaunt's Ghosts find is described as a large cube, the size of a vast chamber, made out of polished chrome and such.

there's also an old comic that depicts Men of Iron: https://imgur.com/gallery/278hW

similar in some ways to Necrons.

[celest dome]

Kinda look like an Ursarax and a Thallax tbh

[crimson kayak]

It's funny cause men of iron also can be pretty much anything that has a robot body and ai

[pine wedge]

there's also a surviving Man of Iron in more modern lore, who looks like a sort of retro-futuristic example of what people thought robots would look like back in the early days of sci-fi

[crimson kayak]

Like how the Blackstone fortress guy is one, or how ironkin are one, or how the weapons of mass destruction the dark angels have on their ship is also one

Ye that the BF one

More similar to stuff like the Ironkin in design

[pine wedge]

oh right!

votann and ironkin are obviously the most recent examples we have of what DAoT technology would have looked like.

you can see the similarities.

[crimson kayak]

Yep, but you also have to consider this is DaoT for new colonies

Kinda like how exodites use lower grade stuff than standard eldar

[pine wedge]

right, fair.

[crimson kayak]

(ench why stuff like the leman russ is DaoT)

[pine wedge]

not an example of the fanciest technology you would have found on Earth during that time.

reminds me a bit of how Abnett described the STC in First and Only, but more stylized to include faces in its design.

[wooden ridge]

As I remember someone explained that it uses an imperium chassis but inside an archaic AI from the dark age of technology

[pine wedge]

the Votann use an Imperium chassis? where would they have gotten those

[shadow plover]

Van Saar is one pretty good example of such equipment from that era given they have a working albeit corrupted STC

[frosty stag]

Why does everyone who has knowledge of warhammer mention that there are cat girls

Are there actual cat girls?

[celest dome]

There are cat people, but we don't know what they look like

[frosty stag]

Oh funky

[pine wedge]

felinids

[wooden ridge]

That was a respond to the picture of a Man of Iron

[pine wedge]

they were mentioned in the 6th edition rules, and then not brought up again for a long time, before 2021's liber xenologis (a book written as if it's a treatise on alien species) mentions them again, reinforcing their existence within the modern canon.

[pine wedge]

oh right

I don't know much about the battle-automata but you might be right

this unit has a similar design language as the UR-025 man of iron

[crimson kayak]

Ye, kastellans actually do have a full ai version too

the Itinerants, wich are basically Kastellan freeblades

[crimson kayak]

that's cause like, 70% of imperial stuff is daot tech that came from damaged stc's, votann are there as a faction exactly to explore the possibility of imperial tech without the broken stc's and also without the ADVANCING/MODIFYING THE TECH LEVEL IS HERESY Bit

ench why votann have bolters, power armour and stuff like that

[storm jungle]

UR-25 is confirmed to use an imperial chassis as a disguise

he doesnt have a "true" form persay

[pine wedge]

thanks!

[storm jungle]

Np, its a common misconception since its only explained in his short story lol

he basically arrives with like 2-3 techpriests who are suppose to be his owners that suspect nothing before he murders them

[pine wedge]

based

[outer wave]

I hope UR-25 makes Mars great again

[coarse pumice]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/17/warhammer-board-games-battle-swarms-of-tyranids-and-a-monstrous-ambull-in-three-new-games/

Speak of the devil

He’s in the second game listed here

[green loom]

Ayo new firstborn model

[storm jungle]

big headed ass

[queen laurel]

Why does he look like he came out straight from dawn of war graphics

[small breach]

How well does a Predator hold up against a Lascannon?

[storm jungle]

Not super well

1-2 shots and it will have a molten slag hole in it

[shadow plover]

kinda depends on the writer, some times lascannons are barely enough to damage a civilian space transport

like in the Cain novels a flurry of lascannon shots did nothing to a civilian transport ship meant for re-entry capabilities before a lucky hit to the cockpit window

and that didn't kill it, just scared them off

[crystal forum]

this is why autocannons are better

[shadow plover]

that's probably even less likely to anything tbh

[crystal forum]

it'll look scary doing it though

[small breach]

And how about a demolisher cannon?

[shadow plover]

if you hit with it then yeah

[storm jungle]

its an anti-armor weapon too so yep

[crimson kayak]

Looks like the guy from the first dawn of war trailer lol

[copper slate]

@crimson kayak @arctic talon
Asha ends up getting into an argument with another member of Inquisitor Solomon Al'Ismir's forces. Asha's general attitude could be summed up as 'Sensibly Optimistic'; she plans for the worst and hopes for the best. Some soldiers will likely call her naïve or stupid for the thoughts she may voice. But she has a response to that.

"Cynicism isn't hard. Pessimism isn't hard. Those are some of the easiest human reactions. Optimism is hard. Being a part of the solution is even harder. I'm optimistic not because I'm naïve but because it's a hard thing worth doing."

[green loom]

Now I've got the urge to write a Lord Inquisitor and his personal retinue to practice regular humans

[copper slate]

That's valid!

[rose thorn]

AAAAA THE ROGUE TRAFERS

THE AMBULL

AAAAA

[arctic talon]

It’s a repackage if the blackstone fortress minis

weird

[storm jungle]

Where When

[arctic talon]

The combat arena stuff

[storm jungle]

Oooh right

[arctic talon]

The ambull mini is obtainable again

Which is neat

[storm jungle]

its a good mini

Space Marines less so, kill them

Bastion from Overwatch is also good

[arctic talon]

Lol

This thing looks stupid ngl

It’s too stubby almost

[storm jungle]

its 30k so

its also basically the middle of a dreadnaught

but as a chicken

[arctic talon]

Its too fat to be a sentinel

Imo

[arctic talon]

Lol

I don’t actually love the new bio/pyrovores

But they’re cool so

Eh

[storm jungle]

its too different from the old model

destroy it lads

🫵

[celest dome]

I like it, but I don't really consider it to be the same thing, like both a good in their own way

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[celest dome]

But this one I like cause I like inscts

[arctic talon]

I’m glad they got rid of the dick and balls gun

[green loom]

Statistically the bio/pyrovores have caused a large number of people to figure out what vore means

[shadow plover]

I mean people should learn about carnivores omnivores and herbivores in elementary school right

[arctic talon]

People usually don’t put the dots together

[arctic talon]

That one doesn’t have a nut sack

All dick no balls

[crisp heath]

The ball gun was the best thing about the biovore

[storm jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/899748173751418931/1130463259573624852/s-l1200.png?width=504&height=534

[arctic talon]

I think it was how it looked like an ape

Ngl

[storm jungle]

THAT WAS LITERALLY THE POINT

ITS A MASSIVE ARTILLERY PLATFORM

[arctic talon]

I mean

It still is a massive artillery platform

[storm jungle]

I mean, how about i bombard you with acid balls

[arctic talon]

It’s just a spider now

Not a ape

[crystal forum]

aaaaape

i wonder how many discord servers exist just for 40k lore

[green loom]

Just for lore?

Very few

Most are hobby/creator/RP servers with lore channels methinks

Stay away from RP servers

[crystal forum]

the only RP i do is not allowed in this server

[green loom]

I know who you know

[crystal forum]

you read me like a book

[storm jungle]

Mostly for major factions

a lot of them are filled with chuds, fascists, or just dead

[green loom]

Majorly just morons

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

the main 40k one is mostly hobby

the main warhammer server is just

weird

[green loom]

lore channels either have sensible gamers like us

Or a horde of imperium apologists with fascist tendencies

[arctic talon]

The lore channel is nice in the 40k one

pretty chill

the mods also hate facists so

[storm jungle]

this is the biggest downside of most 40k servers yeah

try saying half the stuff you do here and it usually doesnt end well

[crystal forum]

i guess we're like 5 people in this channel so the weirdos stay away

[arctic talon]

all imperial unironic imperial apoligists

I've seen

have died

[green loom]

I'm there now, and it's chill mostly

Except when

The Redditors show up

[arctic talon]

reddit

also any 40k lore channel that hates the r/40klore subreddit

is a good one

[crystal forum]

how this community gets anything done is beyond me

[green loom]

"Nu blackstone fortress no eldar! Eldar not have anything to do with blackstone, blackstone necron!"
"Who's Vaul?"

[arctic talon]

Blackstone is like

[storm jungle]

Lmao god that sentence

[arctic talon]

objectively not a necron only thing

[storm jungle]

actually gave me PTSD

[arctic talon]

The Eldar use it

quite a bit lol

[green loom]

The Imperium uses it now as well

[arctic talon]

yeah

[green loom]

It took a bit to explain this to him

[arctic talon]

I do not count tech priests

[storm jungle]

Eldar use blackstone?

since when

[arctic talon]

gluing it onto their melee weapons

[arctic talon]

Pre fall eldar do

or rather did

[storm jungle]

When

[green loom]

"The Talismans of Vaul"

[arctic talon]

^that one

[storm jungle]

Thats uh

a can of worms

blackstone fortress lore is also very fucky

[arctic talon]

also the "blood anvil"

which might be an old one relic

its not clear

[storm jungle]

Eldar are also a psychic species

so them using any kind of blackstone makes no sense

[arctic talon]

blackstone can be used either way

it can be turned into a psychic amplifier

[green loom]

According to the 3rd ed Codex necrons it's eldar

[arctic talon]

thats

[queen laurel]

"lore is fucky"

A good chunk of warhammer 40K lore

[arctic talon]

a bit out of date unfortunately

[green loom]

Hey it got the guy to shut up

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

LMAO

W

[storm jungle]

but yeah current blackstone is just "anti-warp material"

[arctic talon]

but still I'm suprised Dark Eldar don't get used as cool baduy that gets killed and can come back

bcs like

they're immortal

[storm jungle]

because they are aliens

[arctic talon]

Hivelord

[storm jungle]

whos Hivelord

[queen laurel]

You mean like orks or tyranids?

[arctic talon]

Swarmlord

fuck

[storm jungle]

kek

also nids, necrons and orks are literally the "bad guy swarm" faction

they are easier to villainize

[arctic talon]

Swarmlord or the avatar of khaine

[crystal forum]

how dare you call orks bad

[arctic talon]

tbf the dark eldar being a society of slavers are pretty easy to villafy lol

[green loom]

Also I encountered some guy that was obsessed with christianity in 40k and yapped to me at length about how he'd write a fan fiction about a Christian imperium

[arctic talon]

Christanity

is literally dead

[storm jungle]

villafy yes but they arent a massive army

[arctic talon]

all its followers got exterminated

[storm jungle]

they are raiders

[arctic talon]

by Big E

Big E sucessfully genocided every modern religon we know of

[storm jungle]

was it the same guy here who said IRL genocide was ""debatable""

and that he was a pureblood roman

[arctic talon]