40k-lore-chat

[pine wedge]

[crimson kayak]

lol

i go mostly from the fact the shadow in the warp literally cuts you off from it

but i mean, they are psykers too, so technically the hive mind is also the strongest psyker in existence

[crystal forum]

dead space?!?? isaac!???!?

[pine wedge]

yeah it's more like the hive mind is so powerful that it has a stranglehold on the warp wherever it exists and can therefore cut off other psyker's access to it, like a signal jammer broadcasting impenetrable noise on all wavelengths

[crimson kayak]

ye, the deathwatch ttrpg explains it as being the constant communication between the hive mind and it's bodies

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/kick-baby-dead-space-nonagon-ethosaur-gif-23934293

[pine wedge]

that excerpt from darkness in blood suggests that the hive mind even suppresses the existence of daemons inside the area of the immaterium that it oppresses, elbowing the other forces of the warp out of the way

[storm jungle]

FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR MARKER

[crimson kayak]

basically like trying to make a phonecall in a 1x1 meters room with another 500 persons screaming inside

[crimson kayak]

it literally cuts off the warp from the materium, and makes any warp stuff in the materium suffer

[pine wedge]

"godlike" because it manages to enforce its will onto the immaterium in the same way that the chaos gods do

[storm jungle]

So a funny thing about that, I had some spoilers from the new Leviathan novel from my friend and theres a good Tyranid memery scene in it

Hold on

||There's one very interesting scene which opens with a Cogitator, which is revealed to be powered via a preserved, living human head, is contacted by the Hive Mind. The Hive Mind acknowledges the Cogitator's organic brain is scared, alone, and in pain, and via psychic communication, convinces it to shut down a defensive shield keeping the Tyranid swarms at bay from one of the last standing Hives, in order to bring about its own destruction.||

[crimson kayak]

godlike imo is simply because of it's sheer size and might, but works both ways

[pine wedge]

huh, neat

[storm jungle]

absolute trolling

[shadow plover]

amazing

[storm jungle]

Want some more spoilers?

[pine wedge]

by all means

[storm jungle]

Its not much but i wouldnt mind sharing 1 sec

[crimson kayak]

logic plague for biological entities basically

[crystal forum]

even the mindless ravenous swarm has more compassion than the imperium

[shadow plover]

compassion might be a stretch

[crimson kayak]

also wait... now that i think about it if the shadow in the warp as it's said cuts off the materium from the warp, where would a soul killed by the nids go?

[pine wedge]

I personally like a hive mind that is not just a psychic area network for an emergent tyranid supra-intelligence but also a malevolent entity in its own right, but that's probably a matter of taste. i can imagine a lot of other people would find a such a hive mind to be less compelling

[storm jungle]

||Neurogaunts are depicted as driving people around them insane, spreading nightmares generated by a Neurotyrant across the entire world. People visualise them differently, but they all seem to drive them to commit acts helpful to the Tyranid invasion - carrying out acts of murder and sabotage which they, for whatever reason, think will stop the perpetual vision of bugs which assail them.

The Imperium, even the Space Marines, constantly assume the Tyranids are just mindless monsters incapable of actual thought. Near the end of the book, one of the surviving protagonists outright states that the Hive Mind has manipulated them at every step of the way, that every decision they've made has been the result of the Tyranids provoking them into making the wrong choice.||

||Fleshborers really justify having St5 now, the Space Marines have to pause to crush and dislodge fired Borer Beetles because they know the creatures are fully capable of gnawing through their armour.

There's one very interesting scene which opens with a Cogitator, which is revealed to be powered via a preserved, living human head, is contacted by the Hive Mind. The Hive Mind acknowledges the Cogitator's organic brain is scared, alone, and in pain, and via psychic communication, convinces it to shut down a defensive shield keeping the Tyranid swarms at bay from one of the last standing Hives, in order to bring about its own destruction.||

||The book ends with the surviving Space Marines sabotaging a Hive's geothermal reactors in such a way that it blows up the entire planet, consuming both the Tyranid ground swarms and the tendril of Leviathan in orbit. The escape via a stolen shuttle, but outright acknowledge that this is exactly what the Hive Mind wanted - they've destroyed a vital fortress world, leaving a huge gap in the Imperium's defences through which other tendrils can advance towards Sol. Losing the tendril means nothing to the Hive Mind, but losing the planet is a serious blow to the Imperium, and blowing it up was ultimately just a futile act of defiance since the Tyranids had already conquered it by that point

About the only thing the Marines can claim they accomplished was discovering that a pair of captured Neurocytes - the little synaptic resonator-parasites which control Neurogaunts - might theoretically be meddled with in such a way as to disrupt or damage the Hive Mind. But the Apothecary who formulates this theory is never able to get it to work, and by the time they flee the planet, the captured Neurocytes are already starting to sicken and die without their hosts.||

[crimson kayak]

thing is, the hive mind is the nids

like, the hive mind is a separate entity from the singular synapse creatures

[coarse pumice]

I don’t think it cuts it off in that way

[storm jungle]

Alright i think thats most of the spoilers my friend shared with me

[queen laurel]

Hive mind really out here taking books from the Lord of change

[crimson kayak]

i mean if it can keep stuff in the warp gellar field style it should

[shadow plover]

hell yeah tyranids keep winning

[storm jungle]

I was VERY surprised by the Tyranid W

especially since the book has marines all over the front lmao

[pine wedge]

see I think all of this is super dope

super super dope

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah in writing just like the orks they are basically mostly a faction power level demonstration tool

[storm jungle]

The neurogaunt one is also super hilarious

same with the fleshborer ammo actually bothering marines now

[shadow plover]

basedborer

[storm jungle]

[shadow plover]

we need a but a nid

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

This is why I'm happy with belisarius cawl not following tradition because they really need to upgrade those armor man the Galaxy is changing and if they don't plan on innovating stuff they will fucking die

[shadow plover]

Close enough

[crimson kayak]

btw, just found once again a funny tyranid, Doom of Malan'tai, a Zoanthrope that powers up by eating psychic stuff and souls, it ate a craftworld population and it's infinity circuit

[pine wedge]

The fact that they make the hive mind a rival to Tzeentch in calculating prowess is so cool to me. I love this for the Tyranids. Such a scary faction with an intelligence like that at the helm

[crimson kayak]

also get a zoanthrope with legs

[queen laurel]

that's supposed to be this?

[crimson kayak]

yep

2nd edition

[queen laurel]

older edition models are something else huh

[storm jungle]

noooo

[crystal forum]

kill all space marines

[crystal forum]

looks like the dude han solo shot first

[pine wedge]

I wonder what would happen if the hive mind and a chaos god were to directly interact in the warp

I wonder if that's even possible

maybe the hive mind suppresses the warp in such a way that chaos entities can't directly interface with it, like a blank inside realspace

[crimson kayak]

ye, that's kind of what it does

well

not fully

[crystal forum]

humanity and chaos could so easily defeat nids if they worked together for a bit. just imagine if the imperium let fringe worlds about to be devoured to worship chaos

[storm jungle]

they actually do that

Rhephanon was the name i think

Planet rebels, long war

General notices Hivefleet approaching and hes like

"Lmao let them eat the planet, we'll exterminatus it as the tyranids fully land"

[crystal forum]

nah im saying that fighting demons is a huge waste of resources for nids

no edible biomatter

[pine wedge]

yeah nids definitely don't want to fight daemons, or necrons.

[crystal forum]

imagine nurgle testing out his diseases on nids

[pine wedge]

devastation of baal proved that daemons are a certified Bad Time(TM) for tyranid plans.

[crystal forum]

chaos is like "nobody bullies the imperium but me!"

[queen laurel]

They were at least able to develop a hive fleet designed to fight demons, Necrons they just completely avoid

[pine wedge]

quite literally what Ka'Bhanda said lol. he invaded the system with a giant army of daemons, killed a fuckhuge number of Tyranids, piled up their skulls on the moon of Baal Prime in the shape of his symbol as if to say "don't you fuckers forget what I did for you. PS I'm coming for your neck. peace"

[storm jungle]

Yeah necrons are the same deal where its mostly because its a waste of resources

[pine wedge]

and then fucked off again

[storm jungle]

also homie ka'banana keeping it real

[queen laurel]

speaking of khorne demons, is scarbrand just wandering around all over the place

[storm jungle]

He has his own army but more or less yes

[pine wedge]

so there was way less lore on tyranids back when I was first into 40k but one thing I vividly remember from my tyranid codex was how they seemed to intuitively avoid tomb worlds. do we have any further information on that? any inadvertent clashes between necrons and tyranids since then?

[storm jungle]

hes like every greater daemon where he just goes wherever to spill blood for his dad

[storm jungle]

There has been

but like i said they avoid em because its a waste of resources

[celest dome]

Is it really an army or are they just following him cause he get into fights often

[storm jungle]

its khorne so ill say Yes

[celest dome]

Karanak could work as a LL for TT

[pine wedge]

that's just how daemonic warbands and ork waaaghs work. some head honcho promises to find them all the Good Fights and the other daemons/orks are like "alright fine we'll follow you for now. BUT THE FIGHTING BETTER BE GOOD" and they keep following until the fight is no longer Good.

do Orks enjoy fighting Tyranids?

[celest dome]

Think so

[storm jungle]

Yes, a ton

its how we had Octarius

[celest dome]

Orktarius

Orktyrius

[queen laurel]

It's like a match made in heaven

[pine wedge]

did that have an instance of orks and humans fighting tyranids side by side? or was that just orks fighting 'nids by themselves

[celest dome]

Octarius was just Orks iirc

[storm jungle]

Yeah it was mostly orks/nids

it was even fought on a microscopic level

with ork spores fighting tyranid spores

[pine wedge]

wtf

that is DOPE

bio-weapon vs bio-weapon

[queen laurel]

general taktikus from the enemy of my enemy is a good example he made the temporary alliance with the imperium until he backstabbed them

[pine wedge]

taktikus lmfao

[storm jungle]

also

i just made this

idk why

[pine wedge]

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/blm-gif-25815938

based on this I assume?

[storm jungle]

Yep lmao

[pine wedge]

brilliant

[pine wedge]

@native radish look at this

[storm jungle]

I thought "k*ll yourself" was way too mean

him ordering you to jump into an acidic pool is much funnier

[native radish]

XD

When you think about it, the big brain bug from alien terrors make sense! And not because my mind feels like it being gnawed by a trillion ants.

[queen laurel]

what the psyker sees when trying to stop the hivemind

[storm jungle]

Not even a joke

[storm jungle]

big Nidthinking

[native radish]

Remember! Your food cannot shoot you if you scramble their brains sunny side up.

[pine wedge]

In 694999.M41, infamous Ork Warlord Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka arriv[...]

wtf kinda date is this

[crimson kayak]

i like to think of ork spores as wielding very small choppa's

[storm jungle]

The Imperial dating system is like that

[pine wedge]

After hearing about the Tyranids and Orks that clash there in an ever-escalating spiral of violence, The World Eaters warband known as the Skullhunt of Vodha Bloodprice invades the Octarius System. The World Eaters are not disappointed – within the space of a single year, over eight thousand skulls are offered to the Blood God, the smallest of which is the size of a boulder. Vodha ascends to daemonhood after slaying a Hierophant bio-titan with the greataxe of the fallen Ork Warboss Magza da Kollossus.[6]

Da Maw
After his ascension, Bloodprice organized an even greather warband from not only the Skullhunt but also the Bloodblessed, Bloody Dawn, Gorefists, and Harvest alongside hordes of Cultists, Beastmen, Chaos Knights, and Dark Mechanicum. He moved on to an Ork world dubbed "Da Maw" where horde after horde of Tyranids threw themselves into battle with Greenskins on a colossal scale. To Bloodprice, this war-strewn land was a paradise and blessing of Khorne. He used his flagship Goredrenched to lead his armada into the planet's orbit, smashing past Greenskin and Tyranid ships and aiming to land on the world to engage in total slaughter.[10c]

now this

is a good premise for a videogame

[native radish]

And they all fought and died and it was great.

Everyone involved had a lot of fun.

You can basically see the Yelp reviews from Orks and World Eaters

"Five stars, fantastic bloodbath, was fightng nonstop for two weeks - Gorgosh the Skull-Cracker"

[queen laurel]

wait i just remembered isn't this what the hive mind does after invading a world with genestealer cultists

[celest dome]

Probbly

[native radish]

I want to see that Wh40k has an app called MAIM where you can review ongoing conflicts.

[native radish]

Exactly that ye

[pine wedge]

"Good food, great service. Restaurant was invaded by hooligans halfway through. 8/10" - hive_mind_69

[celest dome]

Would love so see an Assassin Creed where you play as that GSC Assassin, and in the end you get the option on jumping in the acid bath or not

[native radish]

Review Edited: The hooligans were a bit tough on the tooth but ultimately tasted like chicken.

[pine wedge]

no but seriously imagine a DOOM Eternal-esque videogame where you instead play as a daemon invading that battlefield, fighting both orks and tyranids as you collect SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE in ever-increasing size

would be metal AF

[native radish]

Well we all know that gaming potential in Warhammers is pretty much endless

[green loom]

Double King but instead of crowns you go after bigger and bigger monsters

[pine wedge]

yes!

[native radish]

You can even make stardew valley when you're an agrarian sector overseer and must rip the land asunder to maximize one cereal production.

[green loom]

Your character only communicates in action poses, grunts, and occassionally revving his chainaxe

[celest dome]

While true, warhammer also has the problem of being attached to GW

Same for LotR
Great setting with quite a profound setting, but the owner are difficult (Lol) and the Ip expensive

[queen laurel]

That's just Factorio

[native radish]

So, just like Darktide could be great, but it's made by FatShark...?

[wooden ridge]

Sounds great, but I would rather play as a Khorne's champion than a daemon

[celest dome]

Darktide's core is great
And no other company even attempt those type of gameplay

[pine wedge]

Meanwhile, the billions of Orks of Badsquig and thousands of Squigosaurs under Gragnatz Stompkrumpa enthusiastically engaged the Tyranids. Mobilizing every Ork upon its surface and declaring "Da Time of da Big-Kill", Stompkrumpa lost an arm, leg, and an eye in a failed attack to tame a captured Carnifex but merely viewed this as a setback.

also incredible stuff

[queen laurel]

We already have malum caedo for a feral shaped space marine creature i think getting a demon would be a different experience

[pine wedge]

works for me too

[wooden ridge]

Talking about games.. Revisiting For Honor makes me wonder about a Warhammer game with the same mechanics

[queen laurel]

The in game you can also be an ork, we don't have a lot of games where you play ork, the best one that came out of that category would be Shootas, blood, and teef

[green loom]

Also random funny Starcraft lore

[queen laurel]

hmm, I guess that's a fair reaction

[pine wedge]

yeah you can make a lot of fun videogames in 40k with just the xenos races or some chaos factions

no need for the imperium

[celest dome]

Start as a lowly cultist (Prologue) then become a CSM who then can pledge to either Undivided or any of the Chaos Gods 🌵

[queen laurel]

start as a ork boy and you slowly become as a war boss

[pine wedge]

I would fucking adore a horde shooter where you play orks fighting tyranids or something like that.

[spring cairn]

next tide game will be centered around an ork kill team facing off nids

[pine wedge]

yeah exactly

god it would be

SO AWESOME

[green loom]

Greentide

[celest dome]

You can even make it work in lore in AoS

[storm jungle]

That isnt confirmed but the devs at least said they got interest

[spring cairn]

but i'd like to play as imperial facing off orks too

[celest dome]

Ye, Orks are prob gonna be the next 40k game from FS

[spring cairn]

i just want orks either as enemies or as playable characters

[celest dome]

Orks against Tyr would be baller

[pine wedge]

playing orks would be just as cool as playing ogryns so I would drop darktide for a long time if greentide ever became a real thing

[wooden ridge]

I remember reading an article which was saying that the StarCraft had been intended as a Warhammer game

Is it true? 👀

[queen laurel]

if they did make greentide I will wait a bit to play because the last time I believed in fat shark i kinda just lost hope

[storm jungle]

honestly a 40k game with xenos as the main characters would be an actual flagship title

orks are also a very safe bet from a business perspective

[celest dome]

Warcaft was iirc

[pine wedge]

I am also very curious about speedfreaks

hope that can become a success

[storm jungle]

its just a racing game

so doubt it

💀

[pine wedge]

is it

I thought it was more like mad max

which is also not just a "racing game"

[green loom]

It's uhhh

Hold on I know a game

[pine wedge]

or twisted metal

[celest dome]

They most likely would make the Ork game after Darktide is quite polished (And people forget it's launch)

[green loom]

Twisted metal works

[shadow plover]

I tried the alpha, it's alright. The charm does wear thin in a couple games already though, but I recon it'll have more to it closer to launch

[queen laurel]

It's more like twisted metal, me and @native radish played it

[native radish]

And it was GLORIOUS

can't wait for it to come back

[wooden ridge]

Can we call it a racing game if it has more fighting in it rather than racing?

[green loom]

You go and pew pew at others and then get murdered by the Leman Russ spam

[native radish]

I can easily see myself sinking hundreds of hours into that baby

[crimson kayak]

twisted metal getting a tv series was funny as fuck as a news for me btw

[queen laurel]

same

[celest dome]

@fathom leaf you played it too no ?

[green loom]

I played like 3 games

At ~5 FPS

[native radish]

Lel.

Spamming any one class doesn't really work tbh

Leman Russes are HARD cancelled by defftrikes

[crimson kayak]

i just know the goff bike was op as fuck

[queen laurel]

Had to switch to Kustom boosta Blasta because every time I try to play tank I don't get that much back up and I get my ass gets blown open

[green loom]

Yeah but people have to run the trikes

[crimson kayak]

two claw attacks and everything dies

[queen laurel]

yes, it was supposed to be an assassin but since it can take a hit it's more like a brawler

The damage is fine I just want the health to go lower

[green loom]

Anyway there's on 40k game that could probably take off

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1113107072024854629/Theres_a_traitor...._among_us.mp4

[celest dome]

So is it closer to Crossout or World of Tanks ?

[green loom]

Yeah

[native radish]

Also exeggarated

[green loom]

More Crossout

[crimson kayak]

neither

[green loom]

But without the building

[native radish]

had fair chance of winning with my Grot Tank

[crimson kayak]

but more crossout

[native radish]

The game balance was surprisingly great

[celest dome]

I meant for the gameplay
Not so much the building

[crimson kayak]

i mean, if you only count it as "you got a car and you shoot with the car" then it's similar to both

[native radish]

The only mode we got to play was a fun mix of racing and capture the point

[queen laurel]

yes, while the smaller ones have a boost, the bigger vehicles have self repairs

[native radish]

You capture the point, have 3 minutes of tug of war between teams

[green loom]

I require imperial guard story game

[native radish]

and then race to a new point after

[queen laurel]

that's the first game mode

[green loom]

I will kill for Imperial Guard story game

[queen laurel]

there will be more in the future

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-guard-warhammer40k-astra-militarum-battle-march-march-gif-25117763

[crimson kayak]

i literally imagine it as a whole campaign but with the battlefield1 first mission mechanic of swapping soldiers every time you die

[celest dome]

We need a Titan fighting game where there are ground troops as AI and stuff

[spring cairn]

i require mil-sim style except it's 40k and asymmetrical like rising storm

with the guard against tau

[pine wedge]

Titanfall as an Imperial Knights game? pog?

PREPARE FOR KNIGHTFALL

or whatever

[celest dome]

Think the Titan to soldier ratio/gap is a tad to big

[green loom]

Knights drop from big floating castles

[torpid narwhal]

What is the most recant book in the warhammer timeline

[celest dome]

Goodblight no ?

[green loom]

The Arks of Omen books

I think

[torpid narwhal]

Not leviathan?

[green loom]

No clue, timeline isn't particularly clearly stated

[celest dome]

I suppose then
I though leviathan was gonna be released when the box's stat was ended or something

[torpid narwhal]

The hardcover is out

I got one but haven't read it yet

Need to finish godblight

[viral halo]

leviathan is the most recent timeline book

after godblight you have arks of omen, the lion son of the forest, and leviathan

not counting all the guard books inbetween

The Lion book was pretty entertaining

better than the first dark imperium book imo

plague wars was decent, godblight was good

despite all the necessary mary sueing

[storm jungle]

^

[shadow plover]

lion very good

felt pretty fresh

very arthurian

[torpid narwhal]

I'm a guy Haley fan so I love dark imperium books

I'm on godblight

[crisp heath]

A lot of The Lion: Son of the Forest was just dedicated to showing that he's not stupid and can rethink his positions in light of new information, since the Horus Heresy novels required everyone to be a bit dumb in order to get to that sweet canon final showdown

[viral halo]

have you read titandeath?

[torpid narwhal]

No my next book is leviathan or kingmaker

Or king of spoils

[viral halo]

Kingmaker is great, robert rath is def top 3 black library author rn

which is crazy considering he's so new

[viral halo]

Cadian Blood is a top 10

book prob

ADB prob the most consistently best BL author

[torpid narwhal]

First warhammer book I read

[storm jungle]

Suggesting Kingmaker hard

you can literally finish it in like 3 days

just 400 pages of awesome memery and knights 🙏

[storm jungle]

I respect him a lot for also speaking on his main twitter account about how stupid imperium apologists are

[viral halo]

Imperium Apologists? You mean being based and seeking the bag?

[storm jungle]

AUGHH-

[viral halo]

In the month of May I read 6-7 warhammer books

my brain was fried

[storm jungle]

Mood.

[torpid narwhal]

Guy Haley is the best

[green loom]

Oo

[viral halo]

he is certaintly one of the black library authors of all time

[torpid narwhal]

Why does everyone hate him

Hes so good at writing guilliman

[viral halo]

From a non biased standpoint he is a highly average author who can write fantastic combat scenes but struggles at making his own plots and narratives when he is not being directly fed things by GW

He thrives when he has a big guiding hand

[torpid narwhal]

I think the parts where the combat stops and they are all talking is what he's best at

[storm jungle]

The biggest reason is also that he might be Dan Abnett's evil clone from another universe.

But lets not get into multiverses for now

[queen laurel]

that spider man's job

[torpid narwhal]

Very sus

[viral halo]

every single warhammer author is bald and wears glasses

and has a beard

[storm jungle]

Also is white

and a man

[viral halo]

well yea theyre british

[storm jungle]

fr fr

[viral halo]

I think he writes gulliman very well but some of his non gulliman book dialogues are pretty ass

[torpid narwhal]

British is the worst disease you can get

[storm jungle]

Yeah Haley jokes aside overall isnt terrible

just has his bumps in quality

[green loom]

Hey there's Sarah tbf

[torpid narwhal]

I love Fabian and chilka

[viral halo]

I know ppl hated the first few dawn of fire books, idk if they got any better

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

they havent

💀

[viral halo]

Lmfao

[green loom]

[torpid narwhal]

Worse

[storm jungle]

We had a guy here uh

who went into read Wolftime

he came out as an Iraq war vet after 2 days of reading

💀

[viral halo]

I have no idea how nick kyme still has a job at GW

[storm jungle]

Same

[torpid narwhal]

That was me lol

[storm jungle]

like holy shit

[viral halo]

blue bloods is atrocious

[storm jungle]

LMAO

not even blue bloods

every one of his salamanders novel is bad

literally nobody likes them

HOW CAN YOU DO THIS

[green loom]

What about Phil Kelly?

[viral halo]

@torpid narwhal The best thing Guy Haley has done so far is make Cato Sicarius an AWESOME character

[storm jungle]

Phil Kelly is literally Kyme but for Tau

[green loom]

[viral halo]

When I was a youth I had nick kyme's cato sicarius that is a meme legend

[torpid narwhal]

I liked 1 2 and 4

[storm jungle]

Hes one of those BL authors where he grabs a faction and never lets them go while writing their material.

[green loom]

I still find it hilarious how people think Matt Ward wrote him

[torpid narwhal]

I like the ultra

[green loom]

Something bad in the setting? Blames Matt Ward

[queen laurel]

that explains the ork head shape

[storm jungle]

god

💀

[torpid narwhal]

I changed my pfp

[storm jungle]

ah that explains it

[viral halo]

Early 2000's BL is so funny, they gave anyone a job

[green loom]

I hate the Farsight enclaves so much

[crisp heath]

Oh fuck i doxxed myself for that meme

[torpid narwhal]

Best faction is the adeptas machanicas

[green loom]

Dw I've doxed myself to 3 people already

[viral halo]

some guy in the warhammer discord posted his full GW order with address and card # and thought NOTHING of it until I pointed it out

[crisp heath]

I hope you got a nose exhale from my horrific error

[green loom]

I didn't even see

[queen laurel]

looks at them turn the prisoner's death sentence into something even worse

[viral halo]

Hows those new books the Palace of terra or whatever w the inquisitor on the cover

I like warhammer detective shit

vaults of terra

[storm jungle]

Do you remember that one author who entirely ripped off war stories from IRL soldiers and plagiriased them in his own book

and got instantly fired when people found out

not GW lmao

[green loom]

Vaguely recall "1st book good rest meh"

[viral halo]

LMFAO yea and theyve spent untold amounts of time and money to cover that up

[storm jungle]

I still have a copy somewhere

god it was so bad

[storm jungle]

Only the last one is bad

like im gonna spoil and say everyone dies

and nothing really comes out of it

its super rushed

[viral halo]

I've heard the last one is atrocious

[storm jungle]

lmao

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

Yeah its bad

Like

[queen laurel]

of course writers sometimes i swear to god man

[storm jungle]

they go to commorragh

talk with some dark eldar

then get massacred

[viral halo]

Thankfully we have 40 Gaunt's ghosts books to read

[storm jungle]

also the main inquisitor slowly turns into a dark eldar

[viral halo]

and at least half are great

[storm jungle]

[viral halo]

I love how Dan Abnett tells GW what HE wants to write

thats one of the funny little stories

where they tried to tell him something and he went nuh uh this is mine you can world build around it now

[storm jungle]

Yeah Dan is an Old Guard, he can literally do whatever he wants

[green loom]

Dan is old guard and also a massive bread winner for them

[storm jungle]

also that

[viral halo]

He's made them a bajillion dollars

[crisp heath]

I feel like the reason why it took 2 whole series before Bequin got her own novel is because the only time BL tells him no is if he says he wants to write about a woman

[viral halo]

and he writes for marvel too now

[storm jungle]

Also the guy has worked with Marvel

so he has a lot of talent

[viral halo]

ADB does too iirc

[storm jungle]

was also one of the founders of the Guardians of the Galaxy iirc

[green loom]

He wrote the backstory for critically acclaimed video game Darktide

[storm jungle]

I actually read some of Dan's marvel comics, they are suitably grimdark

[viral halo]

Guy Haley would be great for writing a marvel movie since that's what the dark imperium trilogy is

[storm jungle]

my first was uhhh Sabertooth hunting Jubilee underneath the X-Mansion

and it was scary as fuck

[crisp heath]

Oh if I can say something about comics a bit off topic

[green loom]

Was the Calgar comic good

[queen laurel]

man all of this book talk really makes me want to look for a website where i can read warhammer books for free

[crisp heath]

I highly recommend the new superman cartoon, it's 2 episodes in and already my favorite DC animated series

[viral halo]

Back in 2017 I pirated enough warhammer books for GW to send a DW kill team after me

[green loom]

DC animated being good to great while DC movies burn in some random alley

[crisp heath]

(Deathstroke is a twunk in this cartoon)

[storm jungle]

AYO

THAT WILL GET ME TO WATCH IT

[storm jungle]

bro

[crisp heath]

This is slade wilson!!!

[storm jungle]

WHAT THE FUCK

ACTUAL HUSBAND MATERIAL

[green loom]

Young Sepphiroth

[viral halo]

Now draw him pregnant

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/for-money-i-cant-answer-that-rick-and-morty-gif-14999575

[crisp heath]

Also Clark is like 6 foot 8 and Lois is a petite Filipina, its cute

[viral halo]

Yea I saw Twitter being racist about her this morning

[queen laurel]

they are even planning to make an anime

the name is suicide squad isekai

[crisp heath]

My man looks like a kaiju next to her

[green loom]

My twitter is people spazzing about someone shipping a character with Celestine and people spazzing about female space marines

[storm jungle]

I hate how many contexts you can use this image in

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

remember when that one 40k book Avenging Son was coming out

and all the 40k racists came out of the woodwork

because it had a black ultramarine on the cover

💀

[green loom]

"Slightly less white ultramarine causes controversy"

"Bro Arch isn't racist bro, he's just keeping the woke tourists out of the hobby"

[viral halo]

should make a sticker of this

Warhammer Twitter gives racist twitter a run for its money on god

[green loom]

No kidding

[crisp heath]

Oh wait I have one last caveat about Deathstroke/Superman cartoon

He's voiced by Jerry from Rick and Morty. This is noticeable.

[queen laurel]

Isn't his power also different like superman's superpower is a lot different

[green loom]

My favourite was someone drawing those Female Space Warriors from Rogue Trader and I kid you not there being 40 comments literally repeating that "Akshually they were intended to be Sisters of Battle!!!!!"

[crisp heath]

Powers? He just beats the shit out of people

[viral halo]

Me talking about dad after a few beers

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah this Superman doesn't have control on his super strength

[crisp heath]

Yeah it's baby superman. He's an intern lmao

[queen laurel]

I really wanna see him grow and try to learn that "wait I can shoot lasers out of my eyes!?"

[crisp heath]

OK but this disrupts the shaving lore

[viral halo]

me watching my favorite homeless guy lose the weekly knife fight

[crisp heath]

Supershave fans hate this series

[green loom]

Superwhat

[viral halo]

Superman shaves w laser eyes

[crisp heath]

OK time for the deep superman lore

[viral halo]

It's some OG supes lore

[crisp heath]

Superman's hair is also invincible

[green loom]

That's funny

[queen laurel]

ohh yeah even his hair is strong enough to be a substitute for titanium

[crisp heath]

So the only way he can shave his face is with his own heat vision Reflected by a mirror

[storm jungle]

I REMEMBER THAT

https://tenor.com/view/superman-tas-animated-series-cartoon-dcau-gif-18447804

LOOK

[viral halo]

Superman really is the best superhero
he's jacked
he's American
he did horrible things for the Reagan administration in the 1980's (thank you frank miller)
he's American
he believes in Santa

[storm jungle]

Frank Miller

Death

[green loom]

Who's Frank Miller

[viral halo]

Frank Miller, the GOAT

[viral halo]

Ever watch 300?

[queen laurel]

A lot of people underestimate him my brother in Christ you throw him inside the sun he will be powered enough to fight a god

[crisp heath]

My favorite thing is that he gets fan mail at the fortress of solitude. Who is delivering it???

[green loom]

Did he make the comic that's based on?

[viral halo]

Ya

[green loom]

oh cool

[queen laurel]

The fortress of solitude that's located in the middle of a freezing tundra?

[viral halo]

Frank Miller is the guy who made:
Daredevil and Elektra actual characters
Some of the best batman shit ever
300
some of the worst batman shit ever

[crisp heath]

Yes, it's a publicly known address and superman gets mail and packages there

[queen laurel]

i'm surprised they even spare equipment to deliver something there

[crisp heath]

As far as anyone knows, he doesn't have a secret identity, so anything people need delivered to superman goes there

[storm jungle]

Frank was basically a great comic book writer that kinda well off after 9/11 and some other stuff in mid 2000's american history

Now hes like

a washed up rasputin-looking boomer

Its genuinely tragic

[viral halo]

post 9/11 marvel comic books be like here Garth Ennis just start torturing people in your comics

ever read Crossed?

[storm jungle]

Yes

all of it

every spin-off

[viral halo]

I read the whole range, still gives me nightmares a decade later

[storm jungle]

Its okay

Like

[crisp heath]

Lmao I remember people being upset when Penny Parker was depressed in the new movie

[viral halo]

it fucking sucks

just gore porn

[storm jungle]

The gore was horrible but i kinda got tired of it

[viral halo]

but disturbing

[storm jungle]

Yes that

Garth Ennis is literally just an overrated misogynist

[crisp heath]

Penny Parker is just spidergirl Shinji

[viral halo]

Remember the game store part of crossed with the female author

[storm jungle]

YEP

[viral halo]

he really do be hating women

[storm jungle]

100%

its why im glad the Boys show is so good without him

like they went COMPLETELY fanfic with the plot

and its so good

[viral halo]

The Boys comics are the worst thing ever made

[storm jungle]

100%

[viral halo]

Garth Ennis HATES women and LOVES the "N" word

[crisp heath]

Oh man so if you like the boys, I have a classic comic book for you.

[storm jungle]

its literally just Garth jerking about how much hates superheroes

oh god

[crisp heath]

Stardust the Super Wizard

It's from the 70s I think? The whole premise is Stardust is a space wizard with omnipotence, and he's a narcissistic sociopath.

[viral halo]

I remember when I was a kid I used to read marvel knkights comics a lot so my dad bought me a copy of the boys comic and I learned so many fun new words that got me smacked by my parents

[storm jungle]

LMAO

I just learned them all from my dad so

[crisp heath]

Basically he'll hear the villains plotting a mass casualty event, and say "oh, that's terrible", then do nothing, and after the villain kills 2,000 people he shows up, scolds them, and then humiliates them in increasingly brutal and absurd ways before being hailed as a hero

[storm jungle]

Hes just like me fr fr

plays Perfect Girl + Bateman clips

[viral halo]

Invincible kinda slaps

[storm jungle]

Invincible is great

both the comic and the show

because its written by an author who LOVES superheroes

Ennis is completely opposite

[viral halo]

I have had such star wars fatigue and marvel fatigue

[storm jungle]

same

[viral halo]

I didn't watch mando s3

I heard it sucked

[storm jungle]

im very happy for Boys/Invincible coming out soon

[green loom]

Barf Ennis

[storm jungle]

I like how this is basically just primarchs

except none of the heroism lol

[viral halo]

Garth Ennis def jerks off while writing

[crisp heath]

Hot take: every "superhero bad actually?" Comic is just an edgier version of Watchmen

[storm jungle]

It is.

[viral halo]

I finished the eisenhorn trilogy a couple weeks ago, why did Dan make a 4th book in 2018

[storm jungle]

If you are gonna make "superheroes bad" make it have some actual goddamn substance.

[viral halo]

And it's not written in 1st person which is a tragedy

[summer rover]

garth ennis famously hates how modern superheroes are more flippant than heroic, and he's gone over the edge of they abyss trying to make everyone else hat it too

[storm jungle]

Yeah that

[crisp heath]

Oh that also ties into Stardust

[storm jungle]

also like his favorite character is the Punisher lol

[crisp heath]

Dr. Manhatten was based off Stardust

[summer rover]

problem is that you can't make a character stupid enough that dumb fanboy's won't flock to them so he's fighting a hopeless battle

[viral halo]

the Punisher MAX actually slapped

[crisp heath]

I only like Punisher when he's getting into slap fights with Moon Knight

[storm jungle]

The Punpun is good when his writer is good

[storm jungle]

Frank suffers when the comic writer has no idea of what his character is aside from "kills bad people"

[storm jungle]

Most friendly primarch convo

[viral halo]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-gif-23893070

[storm jungle]

TAKEN FROM US TOO SOON

[viral halo]

^ Mfw my best acting gets turned into a meme for eternity

[storm jungle]

Honestly in the context of the scene its great, out of context tho yeah

[viral halo]

It's crazy how the punisher and marvel netflix shows are the best shit marvel has done

[crisp heath]

Honest question: why did Spawn run for so long?

[storm jungle]

Because its good

[viral halo]

Mcfarlane toys

[storm jungle]

Oh right that too

💀

Also Keith David i guess

which is fair

[crisp heath]

I hate spawn so much

[storm jungle]

nooooo

[summer rover]

because it sold comics. it was never good, but people bought them for covers thinking they'd be collector's items

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats a bad take

bad comics dont sell

UNLESS YOU ARE BATMAN WHO LAUGHS

[crisp heath]

If you're going to make such an edgy comic, go all in

[summer rover]

i worked in comic shops, bad comics tend to sell real well right up until people find a newer bad comic to buy.

[storm jungle]

Thats a niche example imo

[crisp heath]

Yall read Tarot, Witch of the Black Rose?

[storm jungle]

its way too broad of a subject

[summer rover]

spawn famously sold godawful amounts of comics to people that were more obcessed with having the collection than reading them.

now they're worthless.

[crisp heath]

Imagine if The Crow was violently misogynistic and probably racist, and then that guy saw The Human Centipede and thought it was a comedy

That's Tarot

[storm jungle]

STOP

AAA

[summer rover]

there's a whole genre of cringey edgelord comics

[crisp heath]

I can't even post a panel to make my point, I think this book might actually be illegal in parts of Europe. Edgiest thing I ever read.

[viral halo]

that's just bc white trash in walmart wearing cookie monster pajama pants liked the art

[storm jungle]

fr fr

[summer rover]

tarot has a lot of tits in it for a comic drawn by a guy that's never seen a breast.

[viral halo]

uhhh uhhh uhh source uhhh uhhh uhh

[crisp heath]

What catapulted it into fame was a slew of YouTube videos about the issue where a ghost got a fatal "down there" cosmetic surgery, so she steals a woman's genitals

[storm jungle]

I googled

Anyway stealing this for a warhammer character brb

[viral halo]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-pesci-what-the-fuck-wtf-wtf-is-that-what-the-fuck-is-this-gif-24937450

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

I can't even rag on Tarot tho because i unironically deeply enjoy Hack/Slash

[queen laurel]

oh look a spoiler image i wonder wha-

eyes get's disintegrated

[summer rover]

that's some of the better tarot artwork.

[crisp heath]

Hack/Slash may actually be my favorite comic, especially since it's the continuation of Evil Ernie lmao

[storm jungle]

I had to find one like that

everything else is tits

lmao

[rose thorn]

Ah yes, oldhammer sisters

[storm jungle]

Lmaooo

too correct 💀

[rose thorn]

Sadly for Amazon prime day, the only warhammer product on sale is the warhammer space marine board game

13 dollars for 5 tactical marines

[crimson kayak]

lol, not even that one here in italy

literally only martyr for ps4 is in offer

[rose thorn]

We have like, 2 of those giant 40k models

But that’s like a stretch

[viral halo]

i saw a warcry box for 38 usd

[green loom]

You guys have Amazon?

[nocturne crest]

Is there any mention of Loyalist space marines from Traitor legions being allowed to harvest their own fallen to reuse the gene-seed in post-heresy?

[green loom]

No the whole topic of loyalists from the traitor legions is pretty much entirely unexplored

Post heresy I mean

We might get some info from the inevitable scouring books

[crimson kayak]

considering that most if not all alive traitor loyalist became either Gk or blackshields it's unlikely

[nocturne crest]

See, because here's my question. If Terra keep producing the geneseed that was taken from Loyalist space marines from Traitor legions, would that still count as Traitor Gene-seed?

[green loom]

Terra doesn't produce geneseed

[crimson kayak]

first off what ederius said, also Terra does have gene-banks of all legions

in fact it's one of the main point of cawl going ham and using all types of gene-seed for the primaris greyshields

and that's also why some primaris only chapters look... surprisingly suspisious

[nocturne crest]

Like the Sons of the Phoenix.

[green loom]

As far as we know there are no traitor successors

[crimson kayak]

those are... eh, cause they were made by a gw employe

[green loom]

Only fan theories and at best rumours

[crimson kayak]

i mean we do know cawl used traitor gene-seed for a fact

[arctic talon]

Who are imperial fists and that was always the intent Ironicially

Since they’re an employees homebrew turned chapter

[nocturne crest]

Ah, I see. Proud Crusaders.

[arctic talon]

Yeah they’re meant to lean more into that aesthetic

[crimson kayak]

also we got the white templars that are not IF anymore lol

[arctic talon]

They just found that out tbf

[green loom]

"You're not Sons of Dorn"
"What do you mean"
"I mean you're no successors of the Fists"
"What do you mean"

[crimson kayak]

i mean, it was back in 8th

can't wait for Red templars to be revealed as actually white scars successors /S

[arctic talon]

There’s been like 0 development on it is more so what I meant

[crimson kayak]

they are getting a bit of focus now

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Also the nids ate all their gene seed iirc

Tbh they’ve assumed they were sons of dorn for so long and been apart I doubt the fists will like

Toss them out lol

[green loom]

No their dreadnoughts all died protecting their geneseed vaults

So those are still intact afaik

[rose thorn]

oh the uh, were they the silver templars?

[green loom]

White

[rose thorn]

silver something

ah

are they the ones that protect dying people

or the ones that protect trade routes

[crimson kayak]

nope?

neither

[rose thorn]

ph

ph

OH im thinking of the hospitalitors

[crimson kayak]

ye, they even got robbed of their most important dreadnought by the iron hands lol

[rose thorn]

whats their gimmick anyhow?

[crimson kayak]

they got none

[rose thorn]

oh they are a 'get fucked' chapter

[crimson kayak]

oh no wait hospitallers do

they were one of the first chapters to worship the emperor as a god, also they don't follow the codex

[rose thorn]

ohHhh

dorn chapters are either insanely cool or just a recolor of another

there is no inbetween

[crimson kayak]

basically yeah

[nocturne crest]

Aren't the Silver Templars made from Ultramarine stock?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crystal forum]

why did horus do a heresy

do you ever just stop and think about his actual reasons

[spring cairn]

mentally challenged

[crystal forum]

like sure there's that whole entire fever dream he had when healing from the anathema

but if a single dream is enough to make you want to kill your father

[celest dome]

The Emp deserved it and Chaos influence

[crystal forum]

nah nah you cannot say "because chaos"

dan abnett does not function that way

[celest dome]

Well when your father is quite shit it's easier to wanna kill him

[crystal forum]

they lied though for a ton of it. They showed an imperium under the emperor as a god as if that's the result of him winning instead of the future that comes because of the horus heresy

idk if i worded that correctly

[crystal zealot]

who is atoma

i hear them say "for the emperor" "for atoma"

[crystal forum]

it's where the emperor was born

[crystal zealot]

Oooh

[crystal forum]

i cannot be trusted

[arctic talon]

Atoma is the planet lol

[celest dome]

It's the planet

Tertium is the Hive city/Cluster

[green loom]

The ritual did that and also fucked with his head, amplifying stuff like his pride and ambition

[celest dome]

Ye, Chaos Influence

[rose thorn]

Chaos influence, the imperium being a god king dictatorship, quality of life being next to non. His father is an insane hypocrite with a messiah complex. The list goes on

Also take everything I say with a grain of salt

[crystal forum]

i will take the whole salt shaker

[rose thorn]

As I say; Revenge for Monarchia

[crimson kayak]

It's cause Horus finally found out what happens when chewing 5 gums

[rose thorn]

He found the 4 gum

100 planets will burn for every death on Monarchia

[remote widget]

So, when the blade encarmine was lost in a waagh, dante straight up banished the guy until he finds it again? I have an image of a lone blood angel wandering up and down a demon planet in the eye of terror, finding heretical bottlecaps and demonic ketchup packets for eternity

[crimson kayak]

It was a group

And they already recovered it

(but the two remaining exiles didn't join the chapter back and went to try and save Leonatos)

[tough haven]

If a psyker looked at a servitor, would it have a psychic signature?

[arctic talon]

Yes

They’re still alive and have a soul

[tough haven]

So therefore they have souls?

[arctic talon]

Yep

They’re just lobotomized

[tough haven]

Ah so there’s still the possibility of release

(Through death)

To whatever likely hellish afterlife awaits

[arctic talon]

Tbh the average human soul instantly dissipates

So it’ll be fast

[celest dome]

Some of them are too changed and don't really have any soul left

[final spruce]

A good amount of lore agrees that your soul is also dependent of your physical body, hence the more bionics replace your actual body the less ´´soul’´ you have.

[crystal forum]

mars printers are on sale rn fuck yeah

47% off

it's model making time

[crystal forum]

@green loom you can get a pretty good resin printer for super cheap right now if you want to get into model making

[green loom]

"pretty cheap" is still probably most of my money

And it just isn't worth the investment for me

[crystal forum]

171 usd

[crimson kayak]

Oh look, almost a fifth of my paycheck

[crystal forum]

it's an addicting hobby though lol. once you start printing you can't stop

[crimson kayak]

Oh I know, I simply can't cut out the time for it

[green loom]

Yeah I'm also either working or at my university

[crystal forum]

damn

im more doing it for the model making than the tabletop game tbh

it's a great way to visualize a custom regiment

[crimson kayak]

I mean I wouldn't have places/people I know to play with anyway so same tbh

But I'm currently juggling a part time job, helping a non-profit org of a friend of mine, attempting to make music, drawing and what remains of social life lol

[rose thorn]

funny how the titan model for the drukhari is just a bigger fucking boat

idk waht i was expecting

i wonder how life is like on a timber world

[arctic talon]

There’s one that’s also an admech forgeworld, it’s somewhat nice? Aside from the fact the trees are super toxic lol

[rose thorn]

oh that sounds really cool

[crimson kayak]

Aren't the oceans super toxic in that one?

Like, to the point the admech refused to drain them as it would be too costly/risky

[echo vault]

Would it be possible in Aos/40k to have magical gauntlets that when imbued with the users magic powers make it even better at punching holes through people

[green loom]

Kiavahr?

[crimson kayak]

In 40k it would be some kind of Force power fist

(doesn't exist, but nothing says it can't)

In aos/fantasy there's magic weapons so I don't see why not

[echo vault]

Yeah I'm basically imagining a stormcast leader punching their fist through people's skulls

Like doom glory kill stuff at a beast man herdstone

[crimson kayak]

Human mages already need a catalyst or amplifier of some kind, be it a staff or amulets/other objects

[arctic talon]

I think?

[arctic talon]

the whole planets surface is super hostile to life yeah

[celest dome]

Yes, doesn't even need gauntlets
As Psyker have Hammerhands/Steel Arms that let them do that on their own

[arctic talon]

not Kiavahr it was a world that was traitor during the HH but turned halfway through

found it

Zhao-Arkkad

but its one of the "nicer" forge worlds

as in you are probably not a slave

but just a very poorly paid laborer instead

[echo vault]

Isn't that the one that was friends with the thousand sons and during the burning of prospero wrecked legio mortis titans due to their use of pskyer and weird psychic mechanical parts

[arctic talon]

Yes

They are still loyalist ironicailly

[echo vault]

Makes sense aren't they not from the prospero system

[arctic talon]

They aren't

they're in the middle of buttfuck nowhere

The thousand sons helped reconnect them with the rest of the mechanicum during the great crusade

So they almost exclusively supplied them

[echo vault]

Yeah that's what I remember from the oculus imperia video

They took down legio mortis titans, nothing more based

[arctic talon]

Also the fact that they thought they were loyalists during the entire heresy

Is pretty funny

[echo vault]

That is

[tender roost]

In any and all circumstances, would it be unlikely to see a full 10 astartes squad with 2 Sergeants?

I'm trying to build a tactical squad (5 firstborn and 5 primaris) but the sets I have contain a Sergeant each

[coarse pumice]

They’re technically different unit types

[nocturne crest]

Is there any space marine chapters that take un-augmented humans into battle with them?

[crisp heath]

All space marines have squires that carry their stuff around I think

As for bringing them in on equal footing

Space marines don’t do that

Well

Maybe there is a chapter that does that

But there’s so many different chapters I can’t keep track

[crystal forum]

chapter serfs, yes. depending on the chapter, their vehicles might be crewed by humans who are completely loyal to them. some chapters make squires out of failed space marine candidates like in one of the first horus heresy books where we see the perspective of one of these guys. Other chapters see humans as weakness and have none with them

in the soul drinker books for example, the chapter has a ton of serfs that carry out menial labor and crew the ships

[summer rover]

also the space wolves, who love having lemus russ tanks but....well, don't fit in the damn things

[green loom]

The trained Helot serfs of the Mentors

Admittedly less combat specialists and more there to just feed info to their attached marine

[green loom]

See above

[echo vault]

From this idea I've thought of a whole AoS themed boltgun mod

Stormcast lord commander on a crusade to murder beastmen and take back anvilguard from the dark elves one druchii at a time

With the mechanic to be able to tear off a dark elves head and toss it back at the enemy as a projectile

Not very stormcast behavior but it's the dark elves

"For every slave you've taken I will slay a 100 of your kin Druchii!"

[arctic talon]

Nah its absolutely stormcast behavior lol

[echo vault]

Good

The magic gauntlet idea could be they're some ??? creature (only revealed at the end, can be elf or something else) and you channel Qhaysh (through the individual 8 winds) through them and can individually use powers from each wind instead of individual guns

So it's kinda like you gain power ups based on each wind over the game

Selecting a power from a gauntlet summoning a magic screen like the GTA gun menu lol

[echo vault]

Best part you fist-of-the-north-star ATATATATATATA a herdstone

[arctic talon]

I love how ordertide in AoS is just

"they hate chaos more then they hate each other"

[pine wedge]

lorewise not that likely, but you could say that it's simply two different squads, one firstborn and one primaris, who are attached together for some reason. maybe to foster better relations between the two groups, you know? make the sergeants work together and direct their squads together.

[celest dome]

Tbh, if there was a Boltgun bus AoS, I would prefer if it was set more on the melee side of things than the ranged

Also, I don't think Stormcasts get access to all 8 winds and/or Quaysh

[echo vault]

A stormcast could be an elf or some other creature unknown that could

[green loom]

In lore they get thrown together constantly I thought

Especially now that it's pretty safe to say most firstborn are just primaries

[celest dome]

Not sure that would matter, and not even sure if that's possible

I'd love to see Larian's make a Necromunda game with their system

[echo vault]

But it'd be cool

[celest dome]

How about a Tide game set in AoS, against the force of Destruction (Orruks and stuff)

With one Stormcast

[terse flume]

lol

i love this stupid setting

[queen laurel]

So do they use specialized guardsmen to operate those?

Or recruits would be better I guess

[vast heart]

I saw this idea and got slightly carried away brainstorming bc I wanted to make subclasses for everything lol

Stormcast: Balanced generalist with options to spec into heavy crowd control/AoE lightning magic(the mage units), super tankiness (Any of the melee liberator/lord type units) or acting as a beastmaster with AI companions to take aggro and a slightly more ranged playstyle (Castigators/Gryph hound type units. Either 2-3 Gryph hounds, 4-8 Aetherwings, 1 mini drake as a companion)

Seraphon: General close ranged damage dealer, specs into skink, kroxigor or Slaan. Stealthy/slippery assassin, Melee focused Bruiser and tanky supportive Mage classes, respectively.

Aelf: ranged damage dealer class. Specs into Deepkin (Closer ranged assassin class, high focus on quickly disabling special enemies with CC and good waveclear), Lumineth (Very squishy mage with super high damage output, most directly comparable to DT psyker) and a Sister of Khaine (specifically one of the snake bodied archer units bc they're dope as hell, this would be a true ranged ADC class that's built to do as much damage from as far away as possible)

Duardin: frontliner class. Specs into a Fyreslayer(unga bunga melee damage dealer, higher damage on low HP, the whole nine yards) Kharadron (true tank class with access to a bunch of unique special weapons like tridents and cannons with their own little quirks) and Random-Drunkard-Pulled-From-Tavern-Fight-In-A-City-Of-Sigmar (Best voicelines, ability set around drinking, faster and more accurate sober; but much tankier and more powerful while drunk, balancing the mechanic to best suit what you need. I'll be honest I forgot Dwarves only really have two factions in AoS and ran out of ideas and you'd probably only end up gettting drunk to 1v1 specials or tank bosses but fuck it that still sounds fun)

[celest dome]

I think it's better (for weapon share and stuff) if the elf and the dwarf would be from a set group, cause unlike with the Elf in fantasy where the difference are minor here they really are different; for the dwarf take the Kharadron, and the elf tbh either of them

[vast heart]

Yeah probably true I was just trying to make it as lore friendly as possible but still open ended

I picked DoK over Sylvaneth as the archer class specifically because they're not technicallyaelves

Just feels rough to be a fan of a specific subset of dwarves or aelves and basically gettting told to take a hike bc you didn't pick the cool one that got to be a main character yknow

[vast heart]

Might as well have each one branch 3-ways, say "tzeentch did it" and call it a day lmao

[celest dome]

Sure, but in VT2 it worked cause they are close enough, like Dark/Wood/High are close in weapons and stuff. While in AoS it's better to look at them as wholly separate races (So no weapon overlap and stuff)

[storm jungle]

Yeah every race's other faction counterparts are super different

dwarves and elves especially

[storm jungle]

If Fatshark manages to wrap up Vermintide 2 with a Waylaid styled mission then AoS is definitely where they'll go next with Vermintide 3

Its a more active setting that also isn't dead, could serve the way with what they did to fantasy where it could bring even more attention to the IP too, but that is awhile away

[celest dome]

Tbh I don't want a VT3

[storm jungle]

I mean its gonna happen

money is money

[celest dome]

Yeah, I guess, but I'd prefer other tides

[storm jungle]

they also just kinda did everything they could with vermintide 2

[celest dome]

Either Fantasy or AoS

[storm jungle]

AoS is deffo the next

its just very far atm

especially with darktide on the plate rn

[celest dome]

Though I would love to see a sequel of VT but with a different system (With FS as publisher but not devs)

[queen laurel]

Unfortunately it's still raw

[celest dome]

But Dreadtide, my beloved

Also would VT3 need to be a sequel ? Or could it be a prequel with another group and stuff ?

[vast heart]

VT game where you play as chaos and each class is a chosen of each chaos god

[celest dome]

Yeah yeah, against the Lizardmen

(Only proper tide against Chaos Warrior)

[wooden ridge]

I wish they firstly added more stuff to Darktide before moving to the next game 😢

[celest dome]

Yeah ? Like nobody expect them to do those games in the next few years

[storm jungle]

Darktide is gonna be around

[vast heart]

Lizardmen, undead and something else would probably make for decent hordes lol

[storm jungle]

at least for like 3-4 years or so

an average tide game's lifespan usually

[celest dome]

Like VT2 has been up for 5 year already

And while they are slowing the content for it, but they aren't dropping it yet iirc

[storm jungle]

Yeah DT was also obviously rushed

theres a lot of background drama we clearly dont know

[celest dome]

Lots of redesign from what small we know

Like for the Archetypes/classes

And the attachments

[green loom]

So we've gotten nid capes, but when will we get Nid high heels?

Queen of Blades style

[celest dome]

We haven't ?

[storm jungle]

They already got hooves

close enough

[wooden ridge]

Yeah, seems they needed another year or so

[vast heart]

I hope so I was massively disappointed in class variety in this one

[storm jungle]

definitely this

cooking this game for another year would have been better

even if people threw a fit

[vast heart]

Its a good game but builds feel mostly inaffectual

[celest dome]

Well at 1st there wasn't supposed to be a class system

[storm jungle]

^

Archetypes will come too just not yet

people have file-dug a lot of things

[vast heart]

I did know about that yeah I just don't really feel its well implemented as is

[celest dome]

Might also have been financial related

[storm jungle]

Yeah definitely

as much as FS fucked up game making is also hard lol

[celest dome]

Yes, cause they had to change it uber late in development

And go back to class system

[queen laurel]

The gameplay loop of Dark tide is pretty good but the other aspects beat that positive to the floor with a giant hammer

[green loom]

Tell that to the average 40k fan

[celest dome]

Apparently there is a stream where they confirmed that Archetypes were confirmed

[vast heart]

I feel like it was probably for the best tho, you can't get people to play a good game if the hype died a long time ago

[storm jungle]

Honestly the gameplay is the best part of DT and why ive sunken 1k hours into it

https://imgur.com/4UIScWV

[shadow plover]

Honestly it was fine to release the game when it did (or maybe a month or two later after the worst bugs were done for) when the core gameplay and structure was pretty much complete and very much playable and enjoyable

[storm jungle]

Also yeah this

[celest dome]

Soft relnauches do sometime happen

[storm jungle]

people just incredibly bashed this game

[queen laurel]

Oh definitely but the other aspects are what holds this back

[storm jungle]

Im not saying the beating wasnt deserved

but there was a huge bandwagon effect

where downvoting and leaving negative reviews came like a "trend"

they really should realise the game could have been launched like Redfall lol

[vast heart]

Yeah I agree the game was never unplayable like people said

[storm jungle]

The worst part is i ask anyone of my friends that arent in the Darktide sphere and they say the game is fun, you try asking that to anyone in the subreddit and they'll go in a circlejerk about how Hedge should get fired or something

[green loom]

To gauge the intellect of the average darktide bashing redditor, you need only look at the number of people who thought the Steel Legion skin was for the Death Korps

[vast heart]

I think after stuff like No Man's Sky and Cyberpunk people are just conditioned to be able to bully every studio that fumbles on launch

[storm jungle]

^

like

Fatshark finally launched crossplay

[green loom]

You know what happened to those two though

[storm jungle]

and they still bash them for it lol

[green loom]

They got better

In No Man's Sky's case it got a LOT better

[vast heart]

I'm gonna be honest No Man's Sky is one of the best games Ive ever played

[queen laurel]

They at least managed to improve the game

[shadow plover]

I still hate the NMS gameplay loop

[vast heart]

But it came a long way from launch

[shadow plover]

go to planet because out of fuel, gather resources for 15 minutes to move again. Repeat

[green loom]

Also like

Most games aren't built for you to play them 24/7 for 3 weeks in a row

[celest dome]

NMS is not my type of game

[shadow plover]

granted I've not played it in a while so they might've changed that since

but it was long after release

[celest dome]

How dare you say that this game who i sunk 500hr into isn't worth it

[vast heart]

Yeah its about the immersion tho. Most shooters are the same in the sense that its "spawn somewhere shoot all the enemies, capture objective and go next match" and I play fps games more than anything else

[shadow plover]

a couple patches atfer coop

sure but the issue with nms compared to that the gameplay isn't fun to do

[vast heart]

Eh debatable honestly its pretty mechanically dense

Just depends on how bad you like exploring ig

[queen laurel]

I wonder if starfield is going to be any good it doesn't look like anything will come out with it considering it's Bethesda

[shadow plover]

well I love outer wilds and Subnautica for their exploration

nms doesn't do that for me

[green loom]

Hey when was ES6 announced again?

[vast heart]

Might just be plot you're looking for then lol

[green loom]

Oh god almost 6 years ago

[vast heart]

NMS is pretty bare on actual story elements to boost the exploration I'll admit

[shadow plover]

the first Starfield gameplay trailer looked like total ass, but the new one was surprisingly promising. Very cautious with it still because of Bethesda and their track record

that might be it

there's no drive to explore

[wooden ridge]

I believe this game is not about gameplay, It's about space and exploring. If you aren't addicted to space you most definitely won't like the game

Really, I can spend a few hours in Elite just jumping on space rocks

[vast heart]

Yeah that's fair honestly it does kinda lack narrative

[shadow plover]

I've spent hunderds of hours on Elite, just a few in NMS

[pine wedge]

but their track record is excellent. it contains one (1) bad game.

[wooden ridge]

Then I would assume you like hardcore games over casual. Cos Elite also has some repetitive gameplay loops

[storm jungle]

Skyrim gang rise up

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-gif-26301562

[shadow plover]

I despise Skyrim

[storm jungle]

AA-

[celest dome]

Which one ?

[wooden ridge]

Only yesterday I discovered that Dawn of War and Skyrim have the same composer.. How hadn't I noticed it before

[storm jungle]

the mid 2000's was a wild time

[green loom]

I was playing Dawn of War while bald then

[pine wedge]

FO76 of course

[pine wedge]

because?

[green loom]

Skyrim has a scale issue

And like three dozen other problems

[wooden ridge]

Skyrim has no issue

[queen laurel]

It definitely has flaws like the NPCs being so predictable that a space marine is more interesting

[shadow plover]

Uninteresting, ugly world, horrendous combat just to start with

[storm jungle]

wooooow

ugly world i wont stand

others tho kinda true

[shadow plover]

It's mostly the 7th gen issue

Grey and muddy

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah the combat is you know not the best but the world that one is not something I agree with

[storm jungle]

there was a youtube short i really liked regarding this

1 sec

[vast heart]

Yep I've always said I would be willing to overlook Skyrims flaws if the world felt populated but you go into the main capitol city of the entire country and there's like 20 people spread across the entire thing it just feels really empty

[queen laurel]

Yeah the night sky is beautiful, it's definitely worth it to waste all of my clear skies scream just to clear the clouds

[shadow plover]

Doesn't hit as hard when you live in an area where those things happen in real life tbh

[storm jungle]

Fuck you

[shadow plover]

[queen laurel]

Hey we're talking about games that ripped apart the franchise though dawn of war three is holy crap

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[shadow plover]

Okay granted I need to go 200km north to see them more regularly but still

[storm jungle]

Dawn of War 3 is just a disaster

[pine wedge]

but those 20 people all have a name, unique dialogue, an assigned home with their own bed and their own possessions, and their own schedules, inventories and allegiances.

other games merely create the illusion of population by having lots of static or spawning/despawning nameless voiceless NPCs that are nothing but visual clutter, really. window dressing. bethesda cities are smaller but extremely content-dense and everything in them is handcrafted.

[green loom]

That's your wilderness, this is mine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPN4J6Ltw2s&ab_channel=M3COPT3R4

[storm jungle]

STOP

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's basically just a visual

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

like