gun nuts gets angry at the weirdest shit
#40k-lore-chat
crystal forum
storm jungle
Its why I check out mentally whenever someone gets this angry about guns
urban spire
anyway lasguns make a loud crack and recoil when you fire them, this is cooler than the alternative
the point of scifi isn't to accurately model the future, it's to tell a story or say something about the present
hard scifi can be cool but obsessing over the details is a trap
crystal forum
hard scifi can be cool but obsessing over the details is a trap
sci fi these days is all about expanding a universe that feels real. It ends up creating a standard of "realism"
if you realize this you'll notice the unending waves of drooling consumers who NEED realism or else it's not good
it annoys the shit out of me
urban spire
it's okay to like it, but it's ultimately a tool that should serve the story, not the other way around
urban spire
it did!
crystal forum
sometimes
urban spire
but it serves the story so it's still interesting!
crystal forum
even star trek used science for the plot but not to be realistic
urban spire
the original gundam anime has no sound in space, visible cables attached to TOW missiles, the engines used to power large scale machinery creates a kind of fallout that disrupts radio meaning they have to use laser comms, "realistic" depictions of oneill cylinder habitats
and none of that is really relevant to the story, it's just background stuff that exists to give the setting a bit more weight, ground it a little bit
rose thorn
Hey are the alatac supposed to be like, knights or like military boot camp
In lore for their strict code
urban spire
alatac?
urban spire
alaitoc?
summer rover
um....i don't think either is really the right way to put it....
urban spire
that's fine this shit's made up
summer rover
yeah no, part of playing eldar is you misspell it 98% of the time and just ignore when you get corrected.
rose thorn
Lmao
urban spire
well it's a craftworld, a gigantic spaceship housing the entire population and the afterlife of a remnant of the eldar empire
urban spire
aaggrippinnaa
rose thorn
I’m just confused about what alatiac’s identity is supposed to be
summer rover
igrippenorz
summer rover
they're regular elves
they go about with their bowguns and ranger the wilderness. looking for....things.
urban spire
i think their schtick is like
force projection or something
they meddle more than the other craftworlds?
crystal forum
reading books from the perspective of guardsmen who don't know anything is a lot scarier when you don't know about the xenos they're fighting
summer rover
imagine a planet of hypervigilent space-amish who both REALLY hate satan and really like trees.
urban spire
that's why gaunt's ghosts is fun to read
abnett is not afraid to just fucking make shit up
crystal forum
space marine: eldar are crafty and cannot be trusted
me: i hate eldar now
crystal forum
abnett is not afraid to just fucking make shit up
oh yeah
like one book where they're fighting chaos ape like creatures that turn out to be heavily corrupted ogryn
summer rover
most of them aren't on-world though, they're mostly playing space legolas and so they're out questing for...reasons.
urban spire
imagine a planet of hypervigilent space-amish who both REALLY hate satan and rea...
no that's maiden worlds or something
summer rover
make up a reason and you have an argument for your warband.
urban spire
craftworlds are the giant spaceships
summer rover
it's also these pricks, they came up with the maidenworlds later.
urban spire
different elves
crystal forum
do drukari invade planets sometimes
summer rover
they came up with the exodite later too
urban spire
i mean, same species, different culture
summer rover
they do lots of things sometimes.
urban spire
do drukari invade planets sometimes
yeah but as far as i know they don't occupy, they just raid and leave
summer rover
they hire out to the imperium now and then even.
crystal forum
ok because in this book apparently drukari have invaded a planet
urban spire
then i guess they do
crystal forum
and they've turned the human population into slaves who fight in waves
with sticks and shit
summer rover
it might've been for shits'n'giggles. dark eldar tend to get drugged up and make dumb choices.
okay yeah shits'n'giggles
urban spire
it's not a great idea for them to stay outside the webway for too long right
crystal forum
does this sound like a specific group of drukari
urban spire
maybe these ones just really like taking risks
summer rover
"look at me, i'm a mon-kigh commander! fight in a big line, point flashlights at the enemy! hahaha!"
crystal forum
no they're using portals to drop a shit ton of insane peasants on a guard armoured detachment
summer rover
that's shits'n'giggles
storm jungle
it's also these pricks, they came up with the maidenworlds later.
Maidenworlds always existed
Also Eldar dont like trees and act like legolas all the time, where is this coming from 
summer rover
they were written in later, i'm saying that craftworld is pretty much the same thing they later made the maidenworlds to do.
storm jungle
I mean kinda but not really
summer rover
it's just that one craftworld. the ranger one
storm jungle
Alaitoc?
summer rover
yeah alkasock
crystal forum
speak english damn it
summer rover
we can speak english or talk about elves, not both
crystal forum
it's annoying to read
storm jungle
I mean
ive read a lot of shit in BL from the Imperium so you're telling me
"Necessarium"
just call it a toilet
rose thorn
Back sorry
crystal forum
unforgiven
storm jungle
Back sorry
🚽
summer rover
i'm like 800% sure at some point the english language broke down entirely in the imperium and the admech just slapped the longest latin words they could find in the books onto things to look smart before anyone could catch on they'd fucked it up.
rose thorn
NOOOO
crystal forum
i miss TTS
summer rover
honestly i hope the DA really do invade mars at this point.
rose thorn
I HUST GRABBED THE FIRST DA GIF
summer rover
better plotline that they've had in decades.
rose thorn
summer rover
no, there's no reason to invade terra.
rose thorn
Is that where they installed melta bombs in them selves
crystal forum
no, there's no reason to invade terra.
it's funny
storm jungle
Is that where they installed melta bombs in them selves
Yes lmao
summer rover
it's the emperor, his giant toilet, and 8 billion tax clerks.
storm jungle
its a hilarious book
mostly because nothing happens in it
aside from cypher escaping
its pure filler
rose thorn
Alaitoc?
Like, what about alaitoc makes so many turn ranger???
‘I just fucking hate the color blue’
crystal forum
when have eldar ever contributed to lore
rose thorn
crystal forum
haha got ya
summer rover
they like trees, pretty much. also i think they just hate being in the craftworld but don't wanna go full primative.
crystal forum
ok what about orks
storm jungle
its the last thing you'd hate
Orks have done nothing aside from the Beast
also Ghaz but hes not allowed to do anything
rose thorn
And uhh
crystal forum
have orks ever contributed to big narratives outside armageddon and vulkan
storm jungle
because plot
rose thorn
Feeding nids
storm jungle
LMAO
summer rover
man, a utopia run by your parents for 4000 years sounds like hell to me
crystal forum
but you have to be back home by 9pm
summer rover
and they all want to not be on the craftworld.
storm jungle
Yeah just dont skin yourself
summer rover
the fuckin alatocks
storm jungle
the fuck are you talking about
crystal forum
can you virus bomb a craftworld
storm jungle
Uh no
summer rover
that's why they've got so many rangers
storm jungle
Kinda?
crystal forum
can you destroy a craftworld
summer rover
and why?
rose thorn
But you better make sure you kill every one lmao
storm jungle
^
crystal forum
i dont trust eldar
rose thorn
And gotta bomb their soul powered computer
crystal forum
mass saturation bombardment
storm jungle
You'll need to get close first
some eldar craftworlds have destroyed entire imperial armadas
crystal forum
the fleets around them or the world themselves
summer rover
yes
storm jungle
Armadas as in big ass formations of ships
summer rover
they've got guns
storm jungle
to the point that the Imperium usually tells navy vessels to not engage
summer rover
it's not like the craftworld isn't defended.
storm jungle
since Eldar already dont really openly wage war on other races unless they have to
and they consider killing most sapient beings as murder
rose thorn
summer rover
they have all the crazy crap you'd expect eldar to have.
rose thorn
This is kinda baller
storm jungle
Old art 💀
summer rover
i do miss the eldar powerglove
storm jungle
Im getting an art with one, gloves are neat
crystal forum
i hate eldar helmets so much
rose thorn
Dark blue and bright yellow is cool
crystal forum
no the shape
crystal forum
why the fuck would you put a cone on your head
storm jungle
Because its their aesthetic
and they literally move like Sanic™️ so who cares
same reason primaris have fucking nerf guns
crystal forum
yeah primaris guns look dumb
rose thorn
Also soemrhing something pyker energy
crystal forum
long bolters are so cursed
rose thorn
Maybe they have the extra wraith bone to repair their armor
storm jungle
Nah eldar armor already repairs itself
rose thorn
https://i.redd.it/krexoc3egoea1.jpg
It’s terrible but I really like it lmao
storm jungle
also you can mentally command the armor to change color
or fit to your size
which is neat, i wish mine had that
rose thorn
also you can mentally command the armor to change color
what
crystal forum
which is neat, i wish mine had that
wait what
storm jungle
Yeah, its cool
all their stuff is made from wraithbone mostly
its psychic
they can input commands to it
rose thorn
So alaitoc is just superstitious because they offended god or something?
storm jungle
Nah
they just have a lot of rangers
because their younger population wants to go explore stuff
Its not the best craftworld gimmick but eh
summer rover
it's at least not stupid
storm jungle
They tend to come back for visits or times of war and such
rose thorn
Is their society any different compared to the others?
storm jungle
Not by a lot
Most craftworlds are pretty same
like Saim-Hann is considered "wild" but its really not much
rose thorn
God they have so much lore
summer rover
they're less weird, i guess. side effect of all the traveling.
at least they don't pretend to have lore by giving everything a stupid faux-latin name
storm jungle
Death.
crystal forum
at least they don't pretend to have lore by giving everything a stupid faux-lati...
murder
storm jungle
also i was reading Assassinorum and they call flashlights "stablights"
like stop it
rose thorn
Also someone needs to go into some of these older wiki pages and detach the history and society sections
rose thorn
LmaO
storm jungle
Go read the astartes Whirlwind page
they repeat the same paragraph like 3 times
its fucking awful
crystal forum
visit the arbites page
summer rover
if you fix it, they'll revert it too
crystal forum
70% the same paragraph
rose thorn
Like the fucking over view section gives no details about trh craft world except that the symbol is about something
storm jungle
if you fix it, they'll revert it too
This
they are legit assholes
Lexi is not too great but it atleast is a bit professional
crystal forum
worse, assholes who can't write
storm jungle
Like the fucking over view section gives no details about trh craft world except...
I suggest the lexi
summer rover
worse, assholes who can't write
so the wiki's run by the offical editorial staff at GW?
rose thorn
Also these older ones subsections are titled like Skyrim quests
crystal forum
lexicanum's problem is it doesn't have enough information
rose thorn
storm jungle
Its because they are copied straight from the codexes yeah
rose thorn
pFff
summer rover
i suggest finding a way to borrow copies of the actual books, both wikis are pretty junk
storm jungle
Lexi is still better
its just as said before a summary wiki
I only read the wiki when i wanna legally pirate stuff like forgeworld books
since they put the entire book in a single page
crystal forum
i suggest finding a way to borrow copies of the actual books, both wikis are pre...
sometimes you just find random shit like lasgun recoil in a book im reading lol
it's so hard to piece together all lore
and the community doesnt make it easier
rose thorn
‘Rangers rangers ranger rangers’
summer rover
the actual books, not the novels. novels are usually non-canon anyways
storm jungle
They are all canon 💀
crystal forum
what
storm jungle
GW has retconned only 3 BL books in existence
crystal forum
ah yes the entirety of horus heresy is non cannon
storm jungle
AAA
rose thorn
PLEASE STOP TELLING ME WHAT A RANGER IS THATS WHAT THE RANGER PAGE IS FOR
crystal forum
PLEASE STOP TELLING ME WHAT A RANGER IS THATS WHAT THE RANGER PAGE IS FOR
look up arbite
seriously
rose thorn
I’m on the lex right now
crystal forum
oh
storm jungle
Enter a nurgle wikipage and search for the word "pox"
rose thorn
The first 2 paragraphs are talking about rangers
storm jungle
you'll get like 500 results
rose thorn
Go tot the space wolf page and search wolf
crystal forum
try to find it
storm jungle
Lexi does that better too
crystal forum
i dare you
storm jungle
usually lists all the weapons and vehicles
summer rover
then on a second list for the faction, with some others
crystal forum
yes because lexicanum even has a list of lists
rose thorn
storm jungle
its very helpful when hunting stuff
OH GOD I FORGOT
Lexi brims their site with ads
rose thorn
480p ass stretched video
crystal forum
also the great thing about the lexi is it sometimes tells you what editions the example images are from
rose thorn
It’s better then when the entire article was covered up by an ad
crystal forum
wiki treats EVERYTHING as a lore nerd
storm jungle
^
crystal forum
so no model changes
crystal forum
no no that's just uh in universe variants
storm jungle
the wiki takes months to get their ass moving
crystal forum
the wiki is the reason it took me so long to find out that leman russ vanquisher was its own thing
the wiki acts like it's still its own separate vehicle
storm jungle
kek
rose thorn
After reading the lex, I like alaitoc, maybe just because they are kinda vanilla
summer rover
eldar don't get a huge amount of varience.
storm jungle
You should read the other craftworlds too
rose thorn
They also just don’t like other Eldar
Yee I’ve been trying
But
Elder wikis are hard to read lol
summer rover
most of their interesting stuff is honestly written to be cross-army stuff.
crystal forum
i have a hard time deciding between a land raider and a rhino
rose thorn
Eldar*
storm jungle
They also just don’t like other Eldar
Yeah thats false, in the Path books the opening is them literally welcoming other eldar onto their craftworld lmao
Codex Moment
rose thorn
Thank you codex very cool
storm jungle
sdfldsklds
crystal forum
as an inquisitor, would you use a rhino, a land raider or a termite drill
storm jungle
Also got that wack-ass helmet
rose thorn
They use their artistic skills to build tanks and titans and shit
storm jungle
as an inquisitor, would you use a rhino, a land raider or a termite drill
Land Raider
rose thorn
crystal forum
Land Raider
explain
rose thorn
And a good grey colorscheme
storm jungle
love em
crystal forum
same
storm jungle
explain
Its a fucking land raider
GO PEW PEW
BIG TANK
BIG MACHINE GUN
also you get to raid the land
rose thorn
This is all the major craft worlds according to lex
storm jungle
Yeah thats them alright
crystal forum
also you get to raid the land
ok but giant drill
storm jungle
yeah but epic entrances are cool i nboth
id say up to you tho
one has more dakka
storm jungle
Yeah lex includes a lot more material from lore
rose thorn
Thsi has payed their debt for their terrible treatment of wych cults
storm jungle
what should my militia command squad use to fuck around battle
for battle definitely Raider
AND you arent space marines
which means you can fit in a lot more troops in this
crystal forum
for battle definitely Raider
no we're talking horus heresy era
crystal forum
the cooler land raider
rose thorn
Worng thing
crystal forum
i dont think i should care about the firepower because it gets really fucking nerfed
crystal forum
yes but im asking you just from how cool it is
rose thorn
GREEN AND PURPLE BABY
crystal forum
im not doing this for gameplay
storm jungle
Helmet 🙏
storm jungle
im not doing this for gameplay
I have spoken
crystal forum
im probably going land raider
storm jungle
crystal forum
because fucking awesome
storm jungle
Most of the major craftworlds got some good gimmicks so be sure to check em all
rose thorn
storm jungle
storm jungle
Mymeara were in a Imperial Armor book
major part in it as the opposing force in the whole snow conflict
rose thorn
Mymeara were in a Imperial Armor book
Imperial armor books did make the best conflict in imperium history
storm jungle
They were just there to recover the Shadow Spectre Phoenix Lord's armor
they just took it and left
and the Imperials were like "YAY WE WON"
rose thorn
LMAO
storm jungle
cut to the entire planet on fire
rose thorn
storm jungle
LITERALLY
stark cargo
"Shadow Spectres - the Craftworld"
rose thorn
Shadow specters are the flying guys with eldar cannons rifht?
rose thorn
The fucking arm mounted aa cannons
rose thorn
Also
rose thorn
storm jungle
LITERALLY
rose thorn
Remind me of kamen rider OOO
storm jungle
to be fair its japanese so
storm jungle
Yep
rose thorn
Then they got fucking trapped in space and was like
‘Well, guess we are the last of all life ever’
And also lost like
Half of their population
storm jungle
I mean you could be like Maugan Ra's craftworld
who got trapped in the warp
and he had to pull the ship out
storm jungle
rose thorn
I got the ship wreck dudes and the artisans dudes to pick lol
And I only own one set of warriors
And that’s not even enough for a kill team lol
rose thorn
Oh yeah for a bunch of stuff from an eBay lot
20 bucks for a captain and an ancient
And all thsi other stuff
So we ball
crystal forum
we ball
rose thorn
There’s some phantom fucking blue tho
Glue*
Ghats like impossible to pull wart
Apart
crystal forum
dremel it
rose thorn
Ooo good idea
Imma strip this tactical marine and use it to test my mantis warrior colorscheme
Good luck lil black Templar
You are about to become a much much worse successor chapter
the black templar who just got demoted to mantis warrior
copper slate
@arctic talon @crimson kayak just plug in the parazon into the wrong air-gapped server, and suddenly Asha isn’t the only mind inside of her Vauban frame.
crimson kayak
I mean it would be pretty hard to find a true AI to begin with in imperial space
Or in general an AI attached to a cotigator/pc equivalent and that doesn't have a proper body
crystal forum
you're always risking a pandora's box scenario by using archeotech
crimson kayak
Ye
You could resolve maybe with the Votann
Ironkin are ai afterall
Or an itinerant castellan
Those are too
crystal forum
i don't get scouts
so they're marine cadets trying to become full astartes
do they always become marines or can they choose to remain scouts
crystal forum
huh
viral halo
so they're marine cadets trying to become full astartes
They are recruits getting experience as they receive the implants over the years to become astartes
Then they move into other companies
copper slate
@crimson kayak Asha find Void Meditation is... a lot more dodgy in the 40k universe.
The Warp is much... busier, than the void was.
crystal forum
so there's crimson fists in this book now
another obscure imperial fists second founding chapter
all of these lexi pages read like
"and they were reduced to 5 marines, forever cursing them to death in obscurity"
"and then primaris marines reinforced them and now they're back to full strength fighting chaos!!! 🌻🌈☀️"
green loom
Crimson Fists? Obscure?
crystal forum
Crimson Fists? Obscure?
yeah?
green loom
They're among the most well known chapters and have their own books
They were also the OG marines
winter vessel
The only blue colored loyalist marines that I actually like.
crystal forum
They're among the most well known chapters and have their own books <:staregryn:...
their lexicanum page looks short
and they're in a soul drinker book
so i personally consider them obscure
summer rover
the crimson fists get their shit done without drama so they don't really get novels.
but they've been the cover chapter for longer than anyone
winter vessel
they can't get any more obscure than their chapter master's first name being "Pedro"
arctic talon
yeah?
they had rules in 8 and 9e
so not that obscure
also Pedro is in the codex
obscure chapter is stuff that doesn't get mentioned in modern codexes or lore
like the sons of jagahtai
But the crimson fists def aren't obscure they have like 7 books lol
Make it 8 books lol
they got one in 8e
copper slate
@crimson kayak @arctic talon Asha's First Encounter with a Ruinous Power... Who should it be? And I mean like one of the gods is taking DIRECT notice of this anomaly.
copper slate
Tzeentch, probably speaking through either a daemon or the cult leader, would probably be like "And where did you spring from? I was certain I had accounted for every variable...and yet here you stand, an unknown Quantity."
green loom
Go dancing with Belakor
copper slate
Khorne
As for Khorne... I am thinking of Khorne congratulating a victorious Valkyr on their 'Magnificent slaughter' through the dying breaths of a cultist.
crystal forum
having chaos gods directly talking to characters is
arctic talon
It’s happened tbf
crystal forum
i won't say marie sue
arctic talon
Slaanesh does it to bile Kek
crystal forum
but it's definitely putting too much importance to a character in the 40k universe
arctic talon
Then again bile is a funny mf’er
copper slate
i won't say marie sue
To be fair... Valkyr would have slain like... a battalions' worth of cultists on her own, or a similarly impressive feat.
arctic talon
Who thinks the chaos gods aren’t gods
crystal forum
To be fair... Valkyr would have slain like... a battalions' worth of cultists on...
you could have a demon lord take notice first.. going directly for a god is skipping a few steps
we don't generally get to see what the gods are thinking
copper slate
you could have a demon lord take notice first.. going directly for a god is skip...
fair point...
green loom
Bile is probably a special case
Since he so fervently denies that the gods exist that Daemons get weakened around him
Anyway I would avoid straight up conversations, the gods aren't gods they're semi sentient clouds of horrible emotions that are governed 99% by fucking each other over and consuming more
arctic talon
Bile is probably a special case
The omega atheist
crystal forum
bile does seem like a reddit user
crystal forum
somebody said blood for the blood god in the book 
mmmh let me guess which god that is
malice!
green loom
At this point I'll become malice with how much malice I feel for him
crystal forum
lmao a commander in this book has a command office in a baneblade
an entire office
green loom
crystal forum
still not enough room to stretch his legs
im bookmarking this as "baneblade interior"
interesting
the front hull gun is reloaded by massive servitors
i never even thought that an autoloader in 40k could literally just be servitors
tough haven
Anyway I would avoid straight up conversations, the gods aren't gods they're sem...
Eg. Deity pantheons, they be like that sometimes in myths
copper slate
you could have a demon lord take notice first.. going directly for a god is skip...
So it would be a Lord of Change then that speaks to Asha? Dropping in while Asha is separated from the group perhaps?
crystal forum
So it would be a Lord of Change then that speaks to Asha? Dropping in while Asha...
perhaps. that's still a very powerful demon second only to tzeentch himself. you'd have to give it a name and some personality too
copper slate
From the wiki, it seems like the most likely to engage in a dialogue.
crystal forum
From the wiki, it seems like the most likely to engage in a dialogue.
it would be very weird for the demon to not have already predicted the outcome of the engagement. it could believe that tzeentch played a trick on it. the last thing it would believe is for an unforeseen variable to occur
copper slate
Perhaps it noticed Asha's lack of 'threads'?
crystal forum
Perhaps it noticed Asha's lack of 'threads'?
i don't know how it would react to this. in the 40k setting it's pretty much impossible. it's why speaking to tzeentch without him knowing the outcome is impossible. as a chaos god he not only lives in the past, present and future but he also knows everything that happens in between
chaos gods don't live in linear time
copper slate
She's not from the 40k Universe, and she already has ties to something analogous to the Daemon gods from her universe. So maybe it remarks on how Asha is 'shrouded', or that she seems to be both warp-tainted and not?
crystal forum
She's not from the 40k Universe, and she already has ties to something analogous...
mmmh... this makes me think of a little theory i had. since characters from other universes wouldn't have the connection to the warp, they'd effectively be invisible to demons like a blank but without the "normalizing" effect of the pariah gene
copper slate
chaos gods don't live in linear time
Asha is familiar with the concept of eternalism, btw.
crystal forum
i'd treat asha as a blank if anything because that's the closest WTF thing a demon could face imo
it would also prevent the lord of change from turning them inside out with psyker powers
copper slate
Okay.... So maybe the bird daemon almost crashes into Asha because she has no presence in the warp?
crystal forum
ha that would be funny yeah
copper slate
Raven Daemon goes AWK!
crystal forum
maybe it's trying to investigate whatever killed all its forces
super angry that it can't see something for once
demons are petty creatures
copper slate
"AWK! What!? Where did you-?" The bird is confused.
crystal forum
@summer rover it's the cabal of the burning scale
green loom
crystal forum
i swear i heard of it before
i will not inform myself further to keep it a mystery
green loom
No they have basically no lore from what I can gauge off lexicanum
Oh wait have you played Battlefleet Gothic?
Because there's a DE ship named after them
green loom
Sort of
They hate her and don't venerate her
But they need to torture living beings(basically worship, when Slaanesh is concerned) to stave her off from taking their souls
crystal forum
oh right
arctic talon
do drukari worship slaanesh
They do not they hate her even more then the normal eldar lol
copper slate
They do not they hate her even more then the normal eldar lol
Hey Elite, what do you think of a Lord of Change almost crashing into Asha because Asha lacks a presence in the Warp?
arctic talon
depends on how you write it
copper slate
Well, I mean, like a whole swath of cultists/daemons are dying in material space for no discernable reason, at least not one that can be seen from warp space. The Lord investigates and enters real space next to a blind corner. It starts to round the corner, only to see the business end of a pair of Aksomati Prime pistols.
Something like that.
copper slate
<:shrugpriest:709635610243235890> depends on how you write it
Would that work?
arctic talon
Could work
copper slate
Raven Daemon goes SQUAWK!
wooden ridge
So.. Who is the "beloved" Psyker usually refers to?
Is this just some random warp demon?
green loom
I think the implication is that it's the Emperor
celest dome
Could the Emp, could be a Daemon, could be a Warp resonance, a lot of Warp beings whispers in the head of Psykers
crystal forum
also could be insane
celest dome
That too
crystal forum
let's be real though it's probably ferus manus's disembodied head
the most important character in 40k
celest dome
Isn't that one in the hands of Fulgrim
crystal forum
you never know
ok what if he comes back to life but made completely out of metal
and they call him ferrus corpus
huh? huh?
wooden ridge
let's be real though it's probably ferus manus's disembodied head
Since I've read only a few books of the Horus Heresy I was sure that Manus was absolutely dead.
It was.. a really strange surprise that his head had more influence in the books than the Ferrus Manus himself 
crystal forum
hire me GW i promise my headcannon is as stupid as it is nonsensical
pine wedge
So.. Who is the "beloved" Psyker usually refers to?
Is this just some random war...
the seer definitely believes it's the emperor, and the seer knows things that they really shouldn't. it's either a shard of the emperor's soul or a very well-informed daemon.
crystal forum
Since I've read only a few books of the Horus Heresy I was sure that Manus was a...
ferrus manus is the key to everything
pine wedge
seer knows that the emperor didn't construct the golden throne but that he found it instead, which is knowledge that nobody in the 41st millennium should have anymore
celest dome
Wait who made the Throne ? I though it used DEldar but that it was still man made
wooden ridge
the seer definitely believes it's the emperor, and the seer knows things that th...
I'd like to believe this. At least his small quote with the Veteran that the fall of Cadia hadn't been his fault was touching
crystal forum
i thought mechanicus made it
celest dome
I was thinking more like the Cabal or the Illuminati
pine wedge
Wait who made the Throne ? I though it used DEldar but that it was still man mad...
that is unknown. the emperor found the core of the device buried under the himalayan mountains, where the rest of the throne was constructed around it.
celest dome
Like an ancient conclave or something
pine wedge
my personal headcanon is that it was made by the old ones, given that it is both a psychic amplifier and a tool that allows entry into the webway.
I think they buried it on old terra a long time ago, having foreseen the role the emperor was to play in future galactic affairs.
wooden ridge
I thought it was some dark age of technology stuff
celest dome
Still think the Emp lied plenty, like saying he invented the Bolter 
When other independent human faction appeared to already have Bolters
wooden ridge
Still think the Emp lied plenty, like saying he invented the Bolter <:angymorrow...
I didn't know that.. I thought that the bolter was a part of STC
Like... Almost everything the Imperium has at the moment technology-wise
pine wedge
Still think the Emp lied plenty, like saying he invented the Bolter <:angymorrow...
such as?
oh the leagues of votann have bolters, I didn't know that
celest dome
Squats, Interex and that other Human colony that was then wiped by the IoM
pine wedge
hm. maybe emps invented the bolter a long time ago, before the dark age of technology long marches
celest dome
And it being created for the SM according to the Emp
iirc
Make it weird when every other SM weapon is a scalled up weapon that was existing before
crimson kayak
Tbf the bolter is the only emperor's object that isn't gold/Imperial themed while also being a creation of his
Wich means that stuff must have been old af to use a completely different aesthetic
pine wedge
it's a weapon design. bolters are gunmetal grey because it's pointless to paint them
celest dome
That lying son of a b# lied and I know it
storm jungle
DAOT had bolters too. Heavier bolters than the Imperium, designed for Men of Iron. And they fire mindphage shells that permakill souls, because of course they do.
The relic Aravain finally settled upon was a monstrous ancestor of the bolter family, massive-barrelled, fed by a multitude of plastek hoses that Redloss silently proceeded to clamp into Aravain's armour's power plant. Superficially it resembled a heavy bolter, albeit heavier, built to be wielded by Men of Iron or some other breed of upgraded soldier in the millennia before mankind had raised its transhuman Legions. The stamp it bore was recognisably Terran, though of no lore that still existed today.
It was only as Redloss clamped an ammunition hopper to Aravain's girdle plate and started manually feeding the belt to the magazine that its more fundamental differences became apparent. The high-calibre shells emitted a glow that burned Aravain's psychic sight, even as he closed his eyes and turned his face away.
A spray of explosive psychoactive rounds incinerated the tightly packed mortals, body and soul, each individual screaming into a pyre that burned across two realms. Aravain counted twenty-five men armed with stub pistols and wrenches.
A second after he had counted them they were gone, every ripple and echo that suggested they had ever existed eradicated, and even Aravain's eidetic recall struggled to conjure any details of their appearance; except that there had been twenty-five, armed with stub pistols and wrenches.
green loom
Ah Dreadwing, always such jokers
green loom
Hilarious
crimson kayak
Ye, main problem is that considering the emperor lived well, since the beginning of human history, we can't really say what he did or did not make in his first 25 Millennia
celest dome
Well what ever he did, he also mostly lied
green loom
So Great Work reveals that Emps was "Master of the Lines"
Apparently meaning he fixed fucked up genes
But the funnier interpretation is that he [REDACTED]
crimson kayak
Ye, it's also not said in master of mankind if the emperor bolter was well, anything
Considerkng it literally says "yeah he has one strapped on the back"
storm jungle
The Emperor checked the ornate bolter at His hip. One of the very first boltguns; a progenitor for its kind – not a relic rediscovered from the Dark Age of Technology but an invention of the Emperor’s own design.
crimson kayak
Yes and that's the lexicanum
storm jungle
Boltguns also existed on other planets that had no contact with the Imperium pre-crusade
So its definitely just him "perfecting" the design
crimson kayak
coarse pumice
Shouldn’t bolters be red
crimson kayak
This is the actual quote from MoM
crimson kayak
Now that I think of it, the emperor never actually even uses the bolter
Considering it's right before he unleashes his Proto LotD
storm jungle
it does delete souls
shadow plover
Shouldn’t bolters be red
Yes if you are cool enough for one
storm jungle
Who were Marines that were Ultra iirc
wooden ridge
https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-starwars-star-wars-emperor-gif-7513769
With all of the arsenal in Jedi Outcast\Jedi Academy I've almost never used any.. Since force and lightsaber are enough
crimson kayak
Weapons were clearly yellow wym
green loom
StarCraft is fun and based
storm jungle
hate
crimson kayak
Also fuck every weapon other than Wrench
Wich mind you, what fucking thing are you repairing to use a wrench of that size is beyond me
storm jungle
the rhino had a screw loose
crimson kayak
the rhino had a screw loose
You could probably threw the screw like a ogryn grenade box and deal more damage
storm jungle
💀
pine wedge
did somebody say BOX?
wooden ridge
***the Wrench hole is the size of his head***
To screw heads..
queen laurel
Also fuck every weapon other than ***Wrench***
finally our battle will be legendary
pine wedge
So Great Work reveals that Emps was "Master of the Lines"
has the new lore said anything about the emperor's origins yet?
storm jungle
We already kinda know it
He was from the banks of the sakarya river in anatolia / a hittite before he set out to where civilization first started whos location i forgot
Thats about as solid as we are gonna get
The only thing that hasnt been confirmed ever since rogue trader is the proper confirmation of the shaman mass suicide being behind it
shadow plover
He be doing them cave paintings
storm jungle
fr fr
crimson kayak
so the emperor's origins is literally tarzan
shadow plover
Least nationalist turk
crimson kayak
Live young emperor reaction
shadow plover
I just finished relistening through it and can't recall that
But could have glossed over it
queen laurel
i think the latest Siege book also reveals he was Alexander?
you mean he was Alexander the Great?
storm jungle
I THINK so its been awhile
i read the book on release and instantly dropped it
let me check
storm jungle
He should have stayed fucking dead
crimson kayak
(end and the dead btw)
queen laurel
don't forget he also potentially was jesus
Let's just hope he wasn't that certain funny mustache man
crimson kayak
Let's just hope he wasn't that certain funny mustache man
nah, he probably was roleplaying all sides on that one
shadow plover
well if he was around during that time it would pretty much have to be him, BUT wouldn't make sense to spout shit about a god and shit
crimson kayak
notice the trend of many different funny moustache's in power at that time
wooden ridge
I really like that considering the lore Emperor lives among us right now 👀
storm jungle
Yeah its why i dont like the Emperor being tied to any historical figure
its very... cringe lol
especially since the general lore implies he was never one and he just influenced stuff from the background
crimson kayak
tbf end and the death has a lot of strange stuff
like Dorn being teleported into a random desert full of dead IF
queen laurel
Yeah its why i dont like the Emperor being tied to any historical figure
I'm fine with him operating in our own world but I want him to be his own thing you know
storm jungle
tbf end and the death has a lot of strange stuff
It has a lot of Abnett wanking off IRL historical figures as the characters react to books about them in Malcador's journal-library-room thing
shadow plover
they have tried not to link him directly to any known character from history and I feel the Alexander thing might've not been that
storm jungle
Yeah i cannot super remember
i finished the book in a single day
by the end i was legit dead tired lol
so much filler
shadow plover
that's wild
storm jungle
Yeah i was very hype about it but just
nothing honestly much happens in the book
Abnett just really drags it out, theres good parts at least
crimson kayak
**so much filler**
dorn knowing of the alpha legion bunker/tunnels under the imperial palace and allowing them to remain With all the alpha legion stasis troops still there
shadow plover
there's a good few chapters just before the end that are pretty lacking in big events but it just keeps it interesting enough before ramping up in the end again
Pretty sure he didn't know about the alpha legionaries there
pine wedge
oh hold up
storm jungle
dorn knowing of the alpha legion bunker/tunnels under the imperial palace and al...
That part was hilarious
pine wedge
emps discovered the core of the golden throne before the dark age of technology according to lexicanum
is that right?
storm jungle
Yep
We still dont know a lot about the throne
but he built around it after finding it
it also has human and alien tech
shadow plover
it's pre-eldar
pine wedge
the old ones foresaw the emperor and the role he would play and buried the core of the golden throne on terra for him to find. simple as nosh.
green loom
Would Emps be Stalin or Hitler
pine wedge
yes
storm jungle
Yes.
green loom
queen laurel
it's old ones.
those amphibian bastards are pretty smart but they can't even spare sunscreen
storm jungle
to be fair
in the case of the necrons they were expantionist before even becoming robots
the old ones probably knew this lmao
green loom
Most people forget the crons was a full interstellar empire
Like before Biotransference
storm jungle
Yeee they werent just dying on a single planet
pine wedge
also emp's sword can soulkill daemons?
green loom
They were dying everywhere else too
pine wedge
man I really should read that whole horus heresy shebangle huh.
queen laurel
also emp's sword can soulkill daemons?
It's one of the few weapons capable of giving a demon a true death
green loom
But there's some that are exceptions because shrug
crimson kayak
ah yes, the same old ones that apparently went "Let's make a weapon, a big one, let's hide it in a parallel dimension, not the warp, not the webway, we'll call it the Lock, ok, now to get to the Lock in the first place you'll need.... a planet!"
pine wedge
(I read the opening trilogy and the istvann massacre book. and then one about the alpha legion with john grammaticus and the geno five-two chiliad. thats it)
crimson kayak
ah yes, the same old ones that apparently went "Let's make a weapon, a big one, ...
and then we'll put a lot of small robed boyz in there, chaos hates them, but we'll never use them for anything serious
pine wedge
I like the completely outsized mythological nature of 30k
but my favorite 40k books are abnett's inquisitor and gaunt's ghosts books
storm jungle
Theres not really any mythology once you read a lot of the books
thats what the HH series is about
it was mythological before the series
now we literally know every thing
green loom
My reaction after reading bits of everything is generally just "Wow these guys are assholes"
pine wedge
it's mythological in the sense that it reads like a play-by-play of greek gods fighting
queen laurel
Reading is for nerds
"Reading is for nerds"
know's a lot of Warhammer lore
green loom
What
green loom
Who said I know anything 
pine wedge
the odyssey is just odysseus on his way home being struck by eight naruto filler arcs in succession
green loom
I'm actually making all this up
pine wedge
anyway the denseness of the history informing the current world of 40k is what makes the setting so appealing to me, and the amount of power/glory/knowledge/etc lost between then and now
not a big fan of cawl undoing so much of the technological decline of the imperium in recent times but oh well
queen laurel
what eldar craft world was it again that's basically all hit and run tactics with fast vehicles basically the white scars
green loom
Hardly undid anything tbh
"Your armour has 60% more raised edges now, you're welcome"
storm jungle
what eldar craft world was it again that's basically all hit and run tactics wit...
Saim-Hann
but eldar in general use hit-n-run tactics
they are glass-cannons
green loom
Even if they can probably punch your head off
storm jungle
^
crimson kayak
"Reading is for nerds"
*know's a lot of Warhammer lore*
tbf i know a lot too, im just really fast at googling the lexicanum and book quotes
storm jungle
A normal Guardian eldar would very much just kick you on the side of the head and accidentally snap your neck
thats if we are talking naked CQC of course
queen laurel
Saim-Hann
ok
saim-hann
white-scars
and evil sunz
Alright time to check the other factions I suppose
crimson kayak
like, i never actually read a warhammer book from start to finish
green loom
thats if we are talking naked CQC of course
I'd do some Naked CQC
storm jungle
ok
saim-hann
white-scars
and evil sunz
Alright time to check the other faction...
Yeah a lot of factions have this speedy sub-group
queen laurel
like, i never actually read a warhammer book from start to finish
same tbh
green loom
I learn mostly through osmosis and reddit posts
shadow plover
I listen to books whilst painting or going to sleep or just walking to work or at work when I'm not required to think too hard about anything
at least a book/month
queen laurel
mine is wiki and youtube, I will say my other source of lore would be dilara
Also the lexicanum I forgot
green loom
Can't afford books, can't afford models, can afford to waste time 
queen laurel
So physical strength wise excluding the necrons and ogryns, orks are the most physical fit right
storm jungle
Yeah orks are genetically engineered to be that way
your average ork boy like the MOST basic one can probably punch a person in the face and entirely break the entirety of their skull if they tried it
shadow plover
where's the limit when we bring in tyranids
queen laurel
your average ork boy like the MOST basic one can probably punch a person in the ...
They can survive hits that would cave in a human head so I believe this
crimson kayak
tbf nids are not really "Fit"
storm jungle
They can survive hits that would cave in a human head so I believe this
Pretty much yep
they are bio-weapons
crimson kayak
They can survive hits that would cave in a human head so I believe this
when you can lose your head and then be alive again cause a medic loosely stitches it back onto your neck anything else is pointless lol
queen laurel
when you can lose your head and then be alive again cause a medic ***loosely sti...
Oh yeah that reminds me of a ork painboy that became a war boss because every time he operates on his own boss he takes a "little bit off the top"
crimson kayak
ye, there's also one with the army of Cyborks if i remember right
queen laurel
yes
crimson kayak
pain boyz my beloved, closest reflection of an Irl medic
queen laurel
pain boyz my beloved, closest reflection of an Irl medic
If I was a pain boy to be honest, I will collect dead orks and make a very big body and sell it to the highest bidder
pine wedge
where's the limit when we bring in tyranids
tyranids aren't a species like the others, don't think they count
shadow plover
wack
pine wedge
you can say "an Eldar, an Ork, a human". wtf is "a tyranid"? that's meaningless.
shadow plover
do GSC Aberrants then
pine wedge
similar to ogryns I think, no?
queen laurel
aberrants are basically ogryn level
pine wedge
tyranids scale up pretty crazily, the biggest bio-forms are definitely the strongest organisms in the galaxy, but they're artificially engineered to be that way by the hive mind.
in lieu of "traditional" heavy technology to achieve the same size and power
shadow plover
aren't orks then pretty much that as well, engineered by the old ones and all that
queen laurel
aren't orks then pretty much that as well, engineered by the old ones and all th...
They don't have a preset design basically taking them completely out of the physical strength department
i mean orks are made but you can't really change them
Tyranid bioforms don't have a set design they have multiple forms basically changing their physical attributes every time
Hive mind can build a form designed for muscle strength but that form can also be turned into artillery or an assassin so
shadow plover
orks change the longer they live and more fights they win
without any real limits to that either
queen laurel
orks change the longer they live and more fights they win
Yes but those changes are just growth they basically just become smarter and bigger tyranny it's on the other hand can turn into your bully from high school
pine wedge
orks reproduce by themselves. tyranids don't reproduce, each individual is created by a norn-queen from collected genetic material.
the old ones made a species, the orks. the tyranids make bio-forms as weapons. they're tanks and guns in organic forms.
queen laurel
the old ones made a species, the orks. the tyranids make bio-forms as weapons. t...
Yes they are emotionless organic tanks and weapons
storm jungle
orks reproduce by themselves. tyranids don't reproduce, each individual is creat...
The 3rd edition codex explicitly mentions that Hormagaunts, Termagants, and Gargoyles are (you can safely extend that to the whole -Gaunt genus), and the 5th edition codex maintains the Hormagaunts are sometimes released onto a planet in massive, self-sustaining swarms
They're able to reproduce independently and are simply left to ravage everything in their path without the Hive Mind's direct oversight
Though the actual "reproduction" isnt given much detail. So it isn't actually specified. Realistically, it's probably something more akin to how aphids are born pregnant, and can simply start producing young without needing to reproduce. But because there aren't any details given,
whoops edited the last bit
queen laurel
The 3rd edition codex explicitly mentions that Hormagaunts, Termagants, and Garg...
Yeah but they're basically just super cockroaches at that point,
pine wedge
The 3rd edition codex explicitly mentions that Hormagaunts, Termagants, and Garg...
oh I never knew that, neat
thanks
pine wedge
storm jungle
👩🦼
queen laurel
Well they can still do it so
Fairpoint but they are definitely still don't count if we are ranking physical strength through sentient beings
storm jungle
Oh yeah i just wanted to share trivia
pine wedge
I imagine it's more a cloning process using organic material the gaunts collect during their rampage
pine wedge
love that the nids are a big focus in 10th ed again
queen laurel
Nids share a lot of Sci-fi Bug Race tropes so its deffo possible
But I like them the most, I'm pretty sure they're basically the OG alien monster horde faction
pine wedge
they were the Big Bad during the edition when I got into 40k as a teen
(so around 2005/2006/2007)
storm jungle
They arent the O.G exactly
pine wedge
always been fond of them
pine wedge
But I like them the most, I'm pretty sure they're basically the OG alien monster...
tyranids are heavily inspired by xenomorphs
yeah
exactly
queen laurel
tyranids are heavily inspired by xenomorphs
That explains the similar armor plating look sometimes
queen laurel
And the general body shape
pine wedge
xenomorphs reproduce using living hosts, tyranids simply collect organic material and recycle it into new nids
but the point is the same: a parasitic alien bug species that uses other life as a necessary compontent in its own life cycle
ofc all space bugs are based on parasitoid insect species from our own planet
storm jungle
xenomorphs reproduce using living hosts, tyranids simply collect organic materia...
Yeah thats how the O.G genestealers were, straight down to the chestbusters before they got revised
Now its all genetic pools
pine wedge
lmao really?
shadow plover
the alien was the shit back then
queen laurel
But I'm pretty sure in the xenomorph universe all out wars are not really a thing because, xenomorph prefers stealth over overwhelming their opponents and with the addition of the predators, it's basically just boils down to small scale skirmishes
storm jungle
yeah Alien had a massive effect on sci-fi media when it came out
Also yeah xenomorphs are more infestation creatures
they only get out of hand once they get more hosts
they dont exactly wage open wars unless theres like thousands of them
pine wedge
tyranids take the concept of the xenomorph and adapt them into a much more varied faction (gotta sell models) with far larger numbers (gotta be a galactic-level threat)
storm jungle
^
Nids are more the classic locust-bug race
aka lots of massive armies with specific units etc
pine wedge
headcanon on the nature of the hive mind?
shadow plover
yearning for the psychic snack on terra
queen laurel
yeah Alien had a massive effect on sci-fi media when it came out
It's the alien movie that gave us this lesson
If we do meet something in the stars, maybe that thing is not so friendly
storm jungle
Agreed
queen laurel
If I see a xenomorph, I will look for the nearest thing that I can beat myself to death with because I am not fighting that
storm jungle
If I see a xenomorph, I will look for the nearest thing that I can beat myself t...
You're already smarter than most Prometheus/Covenant characters
takes off helmet in alien planet
coarse pumice
The old nids looked more disturbing
storm jungle
They looked goofy
queen laurel
You're already smarter than most Prometheus/Covenant characters
My brother in Christ a basic drone can punch through concrete do you think I can fight that thing without carrying a machine gun?
coarse pumice
There was something deeply disturbing about them that the newer, cooler nids don’t do so much
shadow plover
the old hive lord was dope
shadow plover
amazing grin
pine wedge
headcanon on the nature of the hive mind?
(I ask this because I am of the firm opinion that the hive mind is the tyranids' equivalent of a chaos god, powered by their animal instincts instead of the psyches and emotions of the sentient races that fuel the other chaos gods)
coarse pumice
The grin might be to do with it
shadow plover
my boy
coarse pumice
There’s something like a deformed human in some of the old nids, with bulbous heads and rictus grins
green loom
(I ask this because I am of the firm opinion that the hive mind is the tyranids'...
From what I understand, the Hive Mind is the Tyranids
coarse pumice
Almost skeletal features
queen laurel
My favorite xenomorph character is Jerry, he's an Android xenomorph so he is our ally
storm jungle
also missed oppoturnity to have his inner-mouth smoking that huff-puff
queen laurel
HE HAS A CIGAR
yes he smokes, he puts the cigar often on his second mouth you know the one they used to break skulls
storm jungle
Dark Descent?
crimson kayak
dark descent is neat, it's just that it's only story missions
shadow plover
at least "for free" through the game pass it was well worth it
crimson kayak
so not really lots of replayability
storm jungle
Warner Bros executives doing another Alien movie be like
pine wedge
From what I understand, the Hive Mind *is* the Tyranids
well yes, but also
The hive mind knew. The hive mind thought, it felt, it hated and it desired. Its emotions were unutterably alien, cocktails of feeling not even the subtle aeldari might decipher. Its emotions were oceans to the puddles of a man’s feelings. They were inconceivable to humanity, for they were too big to perceive.
The hive mind looked out of its innumerable eyes towards the dull red star of Baal. It apprehended that this was the hive of the warriors that had hurt it so grievously, who had burned its feeding grounds and scattered its fleets. It hated the red prey, and it coveted them. Tasting their exotic genomes it had seen potential for new and terrible war beasts.
And so it drew its plans, and it set in motion its trillion trillion bodies towards the consumption of the creatures in red metal, so that their secrets might be plundered, and reemployed in the sating of the hive mind’s endless hunger. This was deliberate, considered, and done in malice. The hive mind was aware, and it desired vengeance.
it reads like a chaos god so absorbed with the material universe and its biological matter that it ignores the warp, but exists within it all the same
green loom
I think it might be like
The Material mirror to a chaos god
Not the equivalent, since that's sort of the Ctan
But you're right they do read pretty much the same
crimson kayak
problem is only synapse creatures have some kind of freedom of thought
pine wedge
also neat:
From across the cold gulfs of intergalactic space the hive fleets had come, moving from one feeding ground to the next. The hive mind did not know and did not care what its food called itself, but noted, in its alien way, the strangeness of this prey-cluster; an environment where the realities of the mind and form were intermingled. There was risk there, but good hunting in the dangerous shoals. The galaxy teemed with life, and the hive mind glutted itself on a staggering array of biological abundance.
implying that the galaxy is unique within at least our local area of intergalactic space as a location where the warp interacts with the materium
crimson kayak
tbf that also explains why the chaos gods don't simply fuck off into another galaxy not yet touched by the nids
storm jungle
yeah the chaos gods are very much local
because theres too much dead space between other galaxies
pine wedge
oh now THIS
Hopes that the tempest might have diminished went unrealised. The warp was as deadly as ever when the fleet translated again, and only grew more agitated the further they went into their voyage. Things came at Rhacelus, excited by the beacon of his psyker’s soul. He fought them off with his mind, slicing them apart into coloured smoke. It was exhausting. There were too many to slay himself, and he was forced to scan an endless array of nightmares and pick out those that might conceivably breach the Geller fields. When one was torn to pieces, a thousand more emerged from the psychedelic chop of the warp to take its place.
‘Insanity,’ muttered Rhacelus. He forced himself to focus. To display weakness in the warp was to invite disaster. He had to be strong. Millions of lives hung on his fortitude. A personal doom waited for every man, woman and child within the fleet if he failed. Only the flicker-thin skins of the Geller fields kept the nightmares out. Only Rhacelus could deliver them to Baal before the fields began to fail. If the ships were lost, billions more Imperial subjects would be slain for their lack. Rhacelus hoped he never had to do this again.
And then, a sea change. The warp altered, though subtly at first. Rhacelus had little experience as a navigator of ships. Had he been born to the role he might have noticed sooner, like ancient mariners tasted the shift from salt to sweet in the waters of Terra’s lost oceans. But soon it became apparent to him that the tempest was calming. The shrieking ideoforms and psychopomps struggled to take shape. Those that manifested were sucked back to nothing among the energies that birthed them. Colours bled away. Currents stilled. A black wall was growing ahead, as impenetrable as the densest fog bank and infinitely more forbidding. The task force sped towards it. The armoured angel glinted in front of the darkness, and vanished within completely.
Against all the laws that governed it, the empyrean lost its mutability. Blackness seeped from the rolling wall of shadow. The visions and images weakened, and then stopped altogether. There was a brief passage through warp space of a primordial calmness, smooth and bright as a moonlit pond, and then the flotilla plunged into the darkness.
A new terror assailed Rhacelus. A vast, godlike mind turned its attention upon the ships, so puissant it quelled the fury of the warp. The hive mind was the truth of the tyranids. The Blood Angels believed the war beasts that plagued the universe were merely the material extrusion of something far greater, and that thing dwelt in the warp. The pressure of the hive mind’s regard was immense, crushing Rhacelus’ soul until it felt infinitely small. At great remove he felt blood trickle from the corners of his mortal eyes.
now THIS aligns with my headcanon beautifully
hadn't read it before
from a book called Darkness in the Blood
green loom
tbf that also explains why the chaos gods don't simply fuck off into another gal...
But they can fuck off to other universes 
pine wedge
because theres too much dead space between other galaxies
that doesn't stop the hive mind
green loom
Because it's going with the nids
crimson kayak
tbf it's not concrete proof, "the blood angels believed"