still not great tho lol
#40k-lore-chat
arctic talon
summer rover
dude, the top third of it is full of holes
crystal forum
i think they'd look a lot less derpy if they were conquistador era arquebuses
summer rover
but then they wouldn't be on a stick that can't handle the recoil! worse, they'd look historical!
arctic talon
I think the fact its a fucking stick is stupid
it should lean more into the spear then gun
if its on a stick lol
crystal forum
at least they added a bayonet lmao
urban spire
historically shields that were deployed with guns weren't very tall
celest dome
dude, the top third of it is full of holes
It's gonna be fine, look at our enemies, they don't use guns, and those that do are short, they ain't gonna hit us in the face, but in the shins
green loom
Thas why you's wear helmets
urban spire
they were like knee height in world war 1
crystal forum
i just realized those shields are supported by stubby table legs
celest dome
they were like knee height in world war 1
Well those aren't WW1 guns
arctic talon
they were like knee height in world war 1
you used them prone tbf
crystal forum
historically shields that were deployed with guns weren't very tall
yeah but in fantasy there's still bows and arrows being used so i guess a phalanx shield or whatever makes sense
celest dome
you used them prone tbf
Didn't they use them from the trenches ?
urban spire
yeah but in fantasy there's still bows and arrows being used so i guess a phalan...
a pavise
arctic talon
and I don't think any faction in AoS really has anything beyond arrows and musket balls
summer rover
and I don't think any faction in AoS really has anything beyond arrows and muske...
those flying balloon dwarfs
crystal forum
we got the low tech astartes breaching squad
summer rover
the astumpes
crystal forum
mark -3 armour
arctic talon
harpoon rockets and magic laser things
they do use a lot of magic which is why I forgor tbh
or rather magic infused stuff
crystal forum
is black powder a magic thing in fantasy
summer rover
no, but there's magic warpstone powder if you're a coked-up ratman
green loom
Ratling guns are still a thing
crystal forum
magic uranium, my favorite
urban spire
warpstone powder is a great idea if you're not particularly attached to your limbs and face
summer rover
man they do that with all their guns. you can just buy your low-level champions a gat.
arctic talon
is black powder a magic thing in fantasy
the khadrons use like "aether gold" to power their crap
which is a magical rock thing
urban spire
isn't it a gas
summer rover
which is maybe also parts of grimnir they shouldn't be using like a fuel addative.
green loom
What think of these guys
arctic talon
don't they get it from clouds though
Yeah but it’s solid within the clouds
It just floats
urban spire
thats dumb
green loom
It just works
arctic talon
thats dumb
There are worse concepts for literal magic rocks
That might be part of a dead god
summer rover
age of sigmar is terrible writing piled so high the fans end up pretending some bits are better than others.
urban spire
as a final fantasy fan i cannot disapprove of floating rocks without throwing myself under the bus
arctic talon
age of sigmar is terrible writing piled so high the fans end up pretending some ...
I like the ossriarch stuff
They’re just skeletal golems
green loom
I like cities and joecast 
celest dome
The mini for AoS are stellar though
summer rover
that's just magic necrons, who cares.
arctic talon
Joe cast
green loom
They’re just skeletal golems
Bone IRS
arctic talon
that's just magic necrons, who cares.
Not really?
urban spire
but i dont like how they did the flying dwarfs
arctic talon
The Necrons don’t beat you to death for taxes
celest dome
I prefer the Kharadron to the Fyreslayers
summer rover
they did them just to further anger the dwarf grognards.
arctic talon
Fyreslayers 💀
urban spire
i don't like how they did dwarfs in aos in general
summer rover
there's no IRS, nagash is not an actual god it's divine tax evasion.
celest dome
Fyreslayers 💀
When your only item of clothing is a loincoth
green loom
And sometumes a helmet
arctic talon
But the big difference between Necrons and ossriarchs is the footsoldiers have personalities and hobbies
They’re arguably normalish
urban spire
dumb, DUMB helmets
arctic talon
For an undead skeleton golem abomination
summer rover
that makes even less sense, nagash hates self-awareness in other things.
celest dome
If only the rumours of the Stone Dwarf had been true
urban spire
fortunately AoS is optional
summer rover
they can say the dwarfs are made of stone, but warcraft would win the lawsuit.
arctic talon
that makes even less sense, nagash hates self-awareness in other things.
He’s not the one directly making them anymore iirc
The original ones aside from high ranking ones were mindless
summer rover
it's nagash, you know full well i mean he's comin' for them
arctic talon
But since he delegated the ossriarchs themselves to making themselves they’re more sapient
celest dome
fortunately AoS is optional
No you will take your AoS and you will enjoy it 
arctic talon
it's nagash, you know full well i mean he's comin' for them
Yeah it’s a secret they try hiding lmao
urban spire
i will not
summer rover
i will take your AoS and paint it paisley.
arctic talon
Lol
celest dome
As if Nagash didn't ever fail to keep his troops into servitude 
arctic talon
Lol
Point being I enjoy watching the dynamic between nagash and the skeleton golems
It’s neat
celest dome
That time Nagash nearly was killed by a Zombie or a Patch corpse
arctic talon
Also I like how there’s sometimes random passiveish undead sitting around
In parts of AoS
urban spire
his first death in the old world was to some guy with a dirty knife wasn't it
crystal forum
i think aeronautica would have been a bigger success if it was about space ships
arctic talon
his first death in the old world was to some guy with a dirty knife wasn't it
Yep funny skaven knife
urban spire
what's a skaven
oh
you're talking about the fanciful stories of that felix jaeger fellow?
the nuln invasion was tragic but it was just beastmen, there's no need to come up with this crazed ratman conspiracy theory
viral halo
I typically shit on AoS but I read my first AoS book after growing up on fantasy and it was great
arctic talon
I’m sorry for repeating such a strange story
arctic talon
I typically shit on AoS but I read my first AoS book after growing up on fantasy...
Tbh the individual story stuff they make isn’t bad
viral halo
Tbh the individual story stuff they make isn’t bad
check out Godeater's son
it really sold me on the AoS setting after hating on it since fantasy was shot in the head
storm jungle
Fantasy entirely got nuked both thanks to GW and the fanbase
they are the ones also acting like victims when they were half the reason behind it getting executed
celest dome
Tbh they should have stopped Fantasy as a TT but kept it as a setting
torpid narwhal
what are the gray knights
urban spire
what was wrong with the fanbase?
celest dome
what are the gray knights
SM
storm jungle
what was wrong with the fanbase?
Basically
they complained that the game sucked
and shat on it constantly
celest dome
Point to cost was hell for the TT
storm jungle
the moment GW moved on to end the setting they were like "NUUUU"
urban spire
well there's a stark difference between the setting and the game
storm jungle
also if the end times was better written i legit doubt anyone would care that much
AoS also pretty much has nothing to hate about and I say this as a person that doesnt care about the setting
celest dome
Yeah, f# the Skaven End Time lore
storm jungle
people just look for a scapegoat
urban spire
i've never played it so i can't comment, but it's possible to hate the game and love the setting
storm jungle
Yeah but endtimes was written horribly
I mean yeah but fantasy is still there so its why i never cared
celest dome
i've never played it so i can't comment, but it's possible to hate the game and ...
Basically was for the majority of the players
crystal forum
what are the gray knights
you don't need to know right now if you haven't read horus heresy books enough
torpid narwhal
im not reading them and why are you always a smart ass
crystal forum
what
celest dome
GK are just SM who are all Psyker and are given tool to kill Daemon
Nothing else needed to known
storm jungle
Also top tier Mary Sue lore
celest dome
True
crystal forum
you get to know how they started through horus heresy
storm jungle
also that
celest dome
They are only fun when they are made in meme
arctic talon
Knights errant are neat
urban spire
they are a kind of space marine, so they are already an absolute blight on the setting
arctic talon
Lol
urban spire
and then on top of that, matt ward had a run at them
storm jungle
the 666th Chapter who only get 1 aspirant out of a million btw
who also have to go through 666 trials
do you get it
arctic talon
Heh funny number
crystal forum
they also have the most overpowered human in the setting
urban spire
the proud loyalist knights of khorne
celest dome
Tbh, if SM started to become a tech that was dying out it would only be good for the setting
arctic talon
i've never played it so i can't comment, but it's possible to hate the game and ...
Tbh the biggest issue of the fantasy tabletop is that the barrier to entry was huge
storm jungle
yeah this
arctic talon
And after that barrier
arctic talon
It wasn’t even that good
storm jungle
lmao
arctic talon
Lol
crystal forum
which writer invented kaldor draigo
storm jungle
which writer invented kaldor draigo
Matt Ward
celest dome
I'm betting it's going to be as much of a shit show as Fantasy was
celest dome
The only good part of fantasy were the boxed games
storm jungle
did he ever explain why
Basically he just wnated to make a cool character but went overboard
arctic talon
GOD PLEASE NO
urban spire
they are going to force some kinda space marine lookin unit into it because space marines are easy to paint so obviously that's the only possible design you can make that's easy to paint
storm jungle
He still gets harrassed for his Ultramarine/GK stuff to this day
arctic talon
Matt Ward is not really a bad guy tho
All his fantasy lore is fine tbh
celest dome
Dreadfleet my beloved ❤️
arctic talon
they are going to force some kinda space marine lookin unit into it because spac...
Literally chaos warriors
crystal forum
Basically he just wnated to make a cool character but went overboard
does he realize how absolutely ridiculous the character is lol
storm jungle
does he realize how absolutely ridiculous the character is lol
Yes
like i said hes not a bad guy
arctic talon
A tiny amount of time lol
crystal forum
ok at least he's self aware lol
storm jungle
Ward is also responsible for the necron reboot
arctic talon
He had to bang out 3 codexes over the course of like
storm jungle
also has wrote stuff like Vermintide 1 and 2's plot
arctic talon
5 months lol
urban spire
he doesn't deserve to be harrassed
arctic talon
So no wonder the writing is shit for a chunk of it
celest dome
Was also the ages where writer were named on the Codex, they aren#t anymore right ?
storm jungle
Yep
crystal forum
why did GW make one writer create so much lore
storm jungle
Ward got super harrassed
arctic talon
also has wrote stuff like Vermintide 1 and 2's plot
He also does Kerellian and Baradins dialogue right
storm jungle
so GW stopped crediting writers
arctic talon
why did GW make one writer create so much lore
Because GW
storm jungle
He also does Kerellian and Baradins dialogue right
A LOT of the dialogue in general
arctic talon
Also because he chose to write for those armies
Because he thought it would be neat
celest dome
Ward got super harrassed
Though he wasn't the one who got death threat iirc
storm jungle
Nah he was
arctic talon
But then they ended up being the first 3 goddamn codexes
urban spire
these stairs go opp DOWN
arctic talon
Of 5e lol
storm jungle
the Ultramarine debacle was huge back in the day
arctic talon
Literally
storm jungle
but
celest dome
Nah he was
Was there another one who got some ?
storm jungle
with the Ultramarine thing uh
the deal was it was GW who wanted him to write that stuff
and jerk off the Ultras
crimson kayak
The ultramarine debacle was worse than the primaris collective meltdown at their announcement
storm jungle
lol
arctic talon
Was there another one who got some ?
The writer for one of the fantasy codexes
storm jungle
He took a ton of the flak for it
arctic talon
I forgot which ones
storm jungle
The ultramarine debacle was worse than the primaris collective meltdown at their...
Primaris deserve it tbh
crimson kayak
True
storm jungle
should have just made them an armor and weapon upgrade
crimson kayak
Ye, it was so simple as a solution
urban spire
primaris is bad because they build on space marines which are already bad
crimson kayak
Literally didn't even have to call it mk10
storm jungle
primaris is bad because they build on space marines which are already bad
LMAO
crimson kayak
It could have been an actual complete mk8 errant
arctic talon
It could have been an actual complete mk8 errant
It does actually have the MK8 like helmet guard
crimson kayak
Ye that's the point lol, it has the gorget
urban spire
you could build an immaculate monastery of lore, but if you build it on an ocean of piss it will sink into the ocean and become piss
urban spire
that's probably how piss works, haven't checked
arctic talon
What the fuck is the mk9
Cawl forgor
It’s bcs MKX looks and sounds cooler
Then MKVIIII
celest dome
The writer for one of the fantasy codexes
I remember one of the Skaven writer getting some iirc
crystal forum
you could build an immaculate monastery of lore, but if you build it on an ocean...
GW's anti retcon approach does make some stuff stupid like a lot of foundational lore
crimson kayak
Cawl forgor
When you get back on a game you left and have to download 10 updates at the same time
crystal forum
im glad that horus heresy was started decently
arctic talon
GW's anti retcon approach does make some stuff stupid like a lot of foundational...
Plenty of dogshit has been retconned tbf
Like the old necron lore
storm jungle
GW rarely retcons lore
arctic talon
God what a mess
storm jungle
I love people who defend oldcrons
crystal forum
GW *rarely* retcons lore
sometimes i wish it did
storm jungle
"I want my faction to have no character"
urban spire
they don't even really have to rewrite space marines so much as reframe them as the fucking badguys
urban spire
i'd fucking LOVE space marines if they were proper villains
celest dome
Like the old necron lore
Was it retconned or just made to be only that certain of the Dynasties were like that
crimson kayak
Was it retconned or just made to be only that certain of the Dynasties were like...
Both
arctic talon
Was it retconned or just made to be only that certain of the Dynasties were like...
Both
celest dome
How ? 
storm jungle
Was it retconned or just made to be only that certain of the Dynasties were like...
Oldcron lore was basically the entire necron race was the slave of the C'tan who were entirely active, they had no characters or anything close to that.
storm jungle
SDKFDLSS
crimson kayak
They retconned it and then after that said BUT SOME ARE STILL MINDLESS KILLERS WE SWEAR Basically
urban spire
objectively yes they are evil, but the novels keep framing them as the good guys
arctic talon
They retconned it and then after that said ***BUT SOME ARE STILL MINDLESS KILLER...
It’s literally just destroyer cults
storm jungle
They retconned it and then after that said ***BUT SOME ARE STILL MINDLESS KILLER...
A big majority of necrons are still walking eldritch terminators
crystal forum
i'd fucking LOVE space marines if they were proper villains
but how else will GW show off their perfect caesar clone blondie boy
storm jungle
also
homebrew allows you to still have oldcrons
so the grognards who complain have no defense
celest dome
objectively yes they are evil, but the novels keep framing them as the good guys
The novels are from their own point of views though
arctic talon
objectively yes they are evil, but the novels keep framing them as the good guys
CSM also see themselves as heroic in their own books
crimson kayak
A big majority of necrons are still walking eldritch terminators
Ye but people didn't get it at the time lol
crystal forum
i would personally like all primarchs to die
urban spire
necrons rewrite is good
arctic talon
i would personally like all primarchs to die
Lol
urban spire
they weren't bad before, but now they are neat
arctic talon
Very based opinion
crystal forum
when will girlyman realize he's the problem
urban spire
i kinda like having guilliman around
arctic talon
Guilliman is fun
urban spire
because he seems to hate everything as much as i do
arctic talon
But he’s still evil
storm jungle
I was looking at the chat above
crystal forum
i will always hate caesar rip offs
arctic talon
Lol
crystal forum
angloid culture trying to not praise a warlord dictator impossible challenge
urban spire
weird how the current slave owning culture keeps glorifying past slave owning cultures
urban spire
skitarii are my precious babies
arctic talon
That does not change the fact the taser goad and arc rifle are multi use tools
And those uses include slave suppression
crystal forum
they're not slaves if you call them machines
arctic talon
They’re menials 🤓
Anyone who thinks the imperium is remotely good should be beaten to death with a 40K rule book
coarse pumice
urban spire
i am desperately searching for the image of a tech priest putting their skitarii to bed
arctic talon
Gotta love how they’re still selling that swooping hawk lol
crystal forum
i always find it funny when artists draw primarchs having such cumbersome and heavy armour
urban spire
most art of primarchs has them in termie armour doesnt it
copper slate
@arctic talon what do you think would happen if the Operator breached an AoT tech cache?
crystal forum
does this not look stupid
viral halo
what are the gray knights
read the horus heresy books
coarse pumice
Gotta love how they’re still selling that swooping hawk lol
they actually sell a later model
arctic talon
It’s the exact same pose and material
coarse pumice
they made a different scuplt in 3rd edition, which is what they currently sell
viral halo
striking scorpions are never getting an update
coarse pumice
while most of the others are on their 3rd, with Howling Banshees and Dark Reapers being on their 4th
coarse pumice
striking scorpions are never getting an update
new scorpions coming soon
source: it came to me in a dream
crystal forum
i think we'll get a lot more nids stuff before eldar get even glanced at
deservedly
fuck elves
copper slate
Up to you what’s in there
I halfway want Asha to wake up a baby Silica Animus. That would be a mess…
urban spire
i want the nids to get the necron style rewrite
crystal forum
maybe the whole galaxy will realize that they're literally about to kill everyone
huh maybe we should put aside our differences for a few seconds
viral halo
Need new dark eldar books
crystal forum
chaos would be fucked if the imperium gets turned into biomatter
arctic talon
i want the nids to get the necron style rewrite
I think they’re fine as the hungry hungry hippos faction
coarse pumice
i want the nids to get the necron style rewrite
to make them like Rogue Trader Tyranids? 
urban spire
i think there's a lot of nuance to the concept of a hive mind that never gets explored
coarse pumice
I've warmed on Necrons now
I used to hate them, especially when they were introduced
I thought the deathbots and c'tan thing was really coooorny
more embarassing than squats
arctic talon
i think there's a lot of nuance to the concept of a hive mind that never gets ex...
Fair
coarse pumice
actually lots of things they've done since are more embassing than squats
urban spire
you don't have to conceptualize a hive mind as a strict hierarchy with an absolute ruler at the top
crystal forum
aren't there signs of orks being allied to humans to fight nids
urban spire
what if you had a hive mind that functioned as a cooperative
arctic talon
aren't there signs of orks being allied to humans to fight nids
Yes
coarse pumice
I kind of thing genestealers would be more interesting if they weren't part of 'nids
arctic talon
what if you had a hive mind that functioned as a cooperative
Stellaris reference
urban spire
well no
coarse pumice
just a weird native to the galaxy that's infected people and made GSC
arctic talon
The nids are interesting already imo
urban spire
not intentionally anyway
crystal forum
i want ork friends
urban spire
i already think stellaris is getting a bit too 40k with how they implemented the veil in recent years
crystal forum
stellaris keeps getting worse
arctic talon
Not really?
urban spire
yeah but it didn't have the literal chaos gods
urban spire
not the way they do now
arctic talon
Now you always meet them
urban spire
it's really explicit now
crystal forum
Not really?
ever since vassal update, yes
urban spire
they are the big 4 from warhammer with the names switched
arctic talon
You forgot the end of the cycle
arctic talon
they are the big 4 from warhammer with the names switched
Also it’s always been those 4
crystal forum
they keep adding roleplaying stuff which is fine but gameplay sucks ass
arctic talon
Since utopia launch
urban spire
and if they were always like that and i just didn't know, well then i've disliked them for longer than i thought
coarse pumice
crystal forum
the new advisors would be fine if i wasn't so damn limited
arctic talon
and if they were always like that and i just didn't know, well then i've dislike...
It was just really hard to run into them back then
Also the end of the cycle was more common
Which is the 5th weird shroud entity
urban spire
end of the cycle is pretty cool
crystal forum
shroud isn't even optimal anymore
urban spire
it was never that good
arctic talon
Who cares what’s optimal
crystal forum
advisors are broken as hell
urban spire
anyway we're getting kinda off topic
crystal forum
yeah and the bots haven't been updated for like 10 DLC's
the vassal update shit on them so badly
crystal forum
no i need to find an image of my last playthrough
arctic talon
Despite being pretty important in lore
crystal forum
you need to see the fragmented empire formed of like 7 vassals
urban spire
do they not? that IS funny
arctic talon
They don’t lol
summer rover
oh right, he had rules in fantasy. in spite of being entirely irrelevent there.
arctic talon
Yeah it’s shallaxi hellbane
urban spire
they're fun to play in total warhammer
crystal forum
black library
storm jungle
there isnt one
arctic talon
oh right, he had rules in fantasy. in spite of being entirely irrelevent there.
Is he that irrelevent in fantasy lol
storm jungle
in Fantasy its N'kari
crystal forum
is that an actual fantasy language or made up words
summer rover
Is he that irrelevent in fantasy lol
100% of the things he shows up in for fantasy are "what ifs" he is canonically not there according to everyone but n'kari himself
storm jungle
100% of the things he shows up in for fantasy are "what ifs" he is canonically n...
Who is
urban spire
none of the daemons are really all that important in fantasy, the Good Shit in fantasy is politics
arctic talon
Yeah
storm jungle
Nah they are
arctic talon
Taxes my beloved
storm jungle
Fantasy is literally where a lot of greater daemons got their lore
Kugath, Kairos, Nkari etc
even Skarbrand
urban spire
dæmons and chaos are garnish
storm jungle
40k just copy pasted it
summer rover
doesn't mean they did shit there.
storm jungle
Yes
storm jungle
thats literally the point lmao
in 40k its just uhhhh
"idk they existed"
same with Belakor
arctic talon
They do a lot more in 40K
storm jungle
who just got carried over because tabletop
arctic talon
I mean they sorta do
crystal forum
"idk they existed"
just enough crumbs to make insane people believe that fantasy and 40k are the same universe
arctic talon
Skarbrand doesn’t raze empire cities regularly
storm jungle
just enough crumbs to make insane people believe that fantasy and 40k are the sa...
God i hate those people
summer rover
in fantasy it's "they existed, but the damn orcs were destroying our crops and that prick from sirtland as causing a civil war so who cares"
crystal forum
God i hate those people
in their defence GW should never have used copied shit from fantasy
storm jungle
yeah but tabletop
Belakor prob suffers the most from this
in fantasy hes a big deal
arctic talon
I like daemons in 40K
storm jungle
in 40k hes just
arctic talon
Tbh
summer rover
40k writers didn't wanna work so they just cribbed from the fantasy writers. then GW fired the fantasy writers for not selling as well as the 40k ones. now we're here.
crystal forum
does fantasy even get books
winter vessel
The Chaos Pantheon are just four roommates who hate each other
summer rover
the whole POINT of the chaos gods is they don't have nuance. that's the joke. they're so simple that people sucker themselves into chaos worship imagining nuance they like that doesn't exist, like how half the chaos fandom thinks khorne is the god of industry in spite of never building shit.
storm jungle
What
urban spire
idk sibling that sounds like some headcanon
storm jungle
I didnt even get what you meant
are you talking about people who think chaos gods got deep characters
winter vessel
Khorne. Khorne. The entity who wakes up every day and chooses violence. is the god of industry?
storm jungle
Industry is literally Hashut
crystal forum
still better than people who do olympic level mental gymnastics to insert their beliefs into 40k
urban spire
isn't there a minor god of industry in 40k
crystal forum
but he isnt a god
is he eldar
winter vessel
he's gunnin for it. hehehe
storm jungle
is he eldar
n-no?
urban spire
the difference sounds academic
summer rover
it'd be a hell of an uno reverso if he was an eldar god trying to re-brand.
crystal forum
all i know is why the fuck do eldar gets gods and not humans
arctic talon
Literally stabbed him in the back
arctic talon
all i know is why the fuck do eldar gets gods and not humans
We do get gods
The chaos gods
urban spire
anyway chaos with nuance isn't non-existent across warhammer, it's just really rare
arctic talon
Also satan
arctic talon
Who was a daemon
crystal forum
arctic talon
But yeah Satan was a daemon
winter vessel
I just think Vashtorr communicates in Dial Up Internet.
arctic talon
Till you know he got fucking destroyed by the emperor lol
crystal forum
what about santa
arctic talon
I love how fucked up Vashtorrs voice is
crystal forum
that sounds terrifying
crystal forum
wait isnt vashtorr the key guy
storm jungle
yes
arctic talon
Yes
crystal forum
i LITERALLY just read about that
crystal forum
so wtf is the weapon
crystal forum
is it a lasgun
arctic talon
Prolly not
urban spire
vashtorr
arctic talon
It has to do with the webway
crystal forum
space glock
arctic talon
So it’s prolly old one related
winter vessel
I remember in Arks of Omen how Vashtorr speaks through the voxes which is creepy as hell.
storm jungle
its entirely old one related
arctic talon
Those damn frogs
crystal forum
and it can kill the imperium
arctic talon
I remember in Arks of Omen how Vashtorr speaks through the voxes which is creepy...
He teaser for him was freaky lol
arctic talon
All the chaos space marines pointing guns at him
summer rover
tells the story to abbadon
so abbadon's gonna get it wrong then
storm jungle
>tells the story to abbadon
so abbadon's gonna get it wrong then
I mean why would he
arctic talon
With abbadon standing back
arctic talon
>tells the story to abbadon
so abbadon's gonna get it wrong then
Abbadon literally let belakor bash vashtor in the back of the head
While he was invading the rock
crystal forum
abbaddon probably thinks it's a bigger black fortress
arctic talon
Which made it go from a 100% chaos victory
storm jungle
he just wants it with Vashtorr
crystal forum
im joking
urban spire
abby is kinda a fuckup tbf
arctic talon
Bcs he got shanked in the back by belakor
storm jungle
I mean hes not
arctic talon
And got shot a bunch lol
storm jungle
people just think he is lol
crystal forum
he fucked up 12 times didn the
storm jungle
No lmao
crystal forum
horus should fire him
storm jungle
all the black crusades were tiny wars made to get a single objective done
urban spire
horus also fucked up
arctic talon
Horus is mcfucking dead
storm jungle
also that too
arctic talon
all the black crusades were tiny wars made to get a single objective done
Not tiny tbf
arctic talon
They were decently large overall
storm jungle
yeah its just that people assume all the black crusades were sent to destroy the imperium
when it really wasnt
crystal forum
so this guy has infinite respawns and it took him 10k years to best a single fortress world
he sucks
urban spire
they represent 12 failures to break cadia
urban spire
then why is there such a big deal about creed and abby
summer rover
"it's not a retcon, you just didn't know abbadon's PLAN!"
arctic talon
It was
storm jungle
crystal forum
he couldn't take it so he threw a thing at it. serious anger issue vibes
arctic talon
But it got retconned a while ago
storm jungle
I mean theres no use to it anyway
arctic talon
To make it more nebulous
storm jungle
if an imperial character did that
arctic talon
Which meh
arctic talon
Abby is number 1 cat hearder
summer rover
like abbadon
arctic talon
Lol
storm jungle
like the Imperium too tbh
crystal forum
people would be dick sucking them to no end
yeah because the imperium doesnt take thousands of years to kill a single planet
storm jungle
yeah because the imperium doesnt take thousands of years to kill a single planet
I mean
it kinda does
a lot
arctic talon
yeah because the imperium doesnt take thousands of years to kill a single planet
I mean
Technically yes
crystal forum
thousands? no
crystal forum
mechanicus sucks
storm jungle
The Imperium fails about as much as chaos does in a lot things
arctic talon
They literally get together with the imperium
winter vessel
Sees everything not go to plan Abby:" rrrRRREEEE!!" and yeets the fortress into the planet
arctic talon
To go smash it up
summer rover
are we including the time it takes to approve the destruction?
arctic talon
And then it never works out
crystal forum
are we including the time it takes to approve the destruction?
no that's cheating
arctic talon
If there’s one thing the admech can agree on it’s attacking traitor forge worlds
urban spire
the cadians literally lost their planet and people still sing their praises so yeah
storm jungle
I mean do they
arctic talon
And they have enough sway to get the imperium to help
storm jungle
the animation i forgot its name uh
crystal forum
everybody hates the cadians
arctic talon
Cadians are made fun of by other major regiments
storm jungle
also the cadians literally did nothing, the galaxy is split in two
crystal forum
also the cadians literally did nothing, the galaxy is split in two
they should have stopped it
storm jungle
they should have stopped it
Also nobody here has read Cadia Stands,
urban spire
i mean the fans, not in-setting
arctic talon
Lol
arctic talon
Also nobody here has read Cadia Stands,
That book literally breaks lore as well tbf it has Pask die lmao
storm jungle
they only stay once they learn the pylons are keeping the Eye closed and actively sealing it
urban spire
"the planet broke before the guard"
arctic talon
And present on Cadia
arctic talon
When Pask explicitly isn’t on Cadia
storm jungle
you be there and say that i guess
arctic talon
During the fall
storm jungle
Also literally an entire fuckton armada is destroying the planet
the Imperium sometimes knows when its lost and to evacuate
crystal forum
if they shot the black fortress with enough lasguns they could have won
arctic talon
Lol
storm jungle
also if it wasnt for trazyn activating the shields
cadia would have gotten merc'd like uh
10 minutes into the battle
arctic talon
Trazyn literally Deus ex machina’d the imperium lol
urban spire
would the outcome have been that different if cadia fell sooner rather than later?
storm jungle
Probably not
arctic talon
would the outcome have been that different if cadia fell sooner rather than late...
More people would have died prolly
arctic talon
And chaos would have less casualties
urban spire
a statistically significant number?
arctic talon
Yea
storm jungle
Ye
summer rover
he did not manage to take cadia.
arctic talon
Since the whole planet was blockaded
crystal forum
krieg would have shrugged off the black fortress and kept on fighting from the remains of the planet
summer rover
it blew up
storm jungle
he did not manage to take cadia.
And still split the galaxy in half
take your L when you can loyalists
crystal forum
it's not our fault that cadians didnt hold the line
storm jungle
YEET
summer rover
yeah but there's no cadia left to take. all abbadon accomplished was making the setting stupider and forcing legions of cadians on the rest of the imperium.
crystal forum
imperium should have executed all survivors
urban spire
didn't they have a saint on cadia too
winter vessel
And that's where we are today. Cadia is now a floating pile of rocks which honestly, had me laughing for a straight minute when I was creating my first character in Darktide
urban spire
a living saint i mean
storm jungle
yeah but there's no cadia left to take. all abbadon accomplished was making the ...
I mean who cares
arctic talon
didn't they have a saint on cadia too
Yeah but she left before it blew up lol
storm jungle
same shit
arctic talon
She left on Cawls ship
urban spire
lame
storm jungle
Cadia wasnt that important of a target to take, it was just symbolic
urban spire
proper daemon woulda stuck it out
summer rover
i care, i don't want to listen to some prick telling me about how caidan they are every other game of darktide.
storm jungle
Too bad
crystal forum
im just so fucking tired of astra militarum on tabletop being all cadians
urban spire
can't be havin with these half-assed imperial daemons
arctic talon
i care, i don't want to listen to some prick telling me about how caidan they ar...
cutthroat 💀
storm jungle
Also the Cadian veteran isnt that bad
arctic talon
im just so fucking tired of astra militarum on tabletop being all cadians
Too bad
storm jungle
stop hating on him lmao
arctic talon
People like Cadians
crystal forum
People like Cadians
they like krieg way more
storm jungle
AAA
summer rover
people like krieg memes
arctic talon
The krieg killteam didn’t sell nearly as well as kasrkin
summer rover
the actual army not so much
arctic talon
No one enjoys the actual gameplay of krieg
storm jungle
Death Korps of Kringe is endless
arctic talon
Which is dying horrifically while taking an objective
urban spire
krieg is like the epitome of "fascism is not a substitute for a personality"
crystal forum
the krieg killteam looks like shit that's why and it doesn't fit with GW infantry models
storm jungle
How doesnt it fit
arctic talon
the krieg killteam looks like shit that's why and it doesn't fit with GW infantr...
It’s literally better looking then the forgeworld minis
coarse pumice
Isn’t it funny how N’kari doesn’t have rules in 40K
did in 2nd ed
arctic talon
Also the sgt, being a grenadier is fun
crystal forum
How doesnt it fit
if you want to use them with your GW store infantry it'll literally be a couple of krieg surrounded by cadians
storm jungle
if you want to use them with your GW store infantry it'll literally be a couple ...
Based
i like seeing tabletop players suffer
arctic talon
if you want to use them with your GW store infantry it'll literally be a couple ...
You can literally run pure krieg
storm jungle
urban spire
i think krieg has good fashion but they are severely lacking in interesting personalities and stories
and anyway
crystal forum
You can literally run pure krieg
yeah if you're rich as fuck
urban spire
armageddon steel legion does it better
crystal forum
im talking about infantry
summer rover
just give us the fucking tallerns again already
winter vessel
armageddon steel legion does it better
Ah yes the "Fast and Furious" Guard Regiment. Roll up on the xenos with your chimeras, cap em and roll out.
arctic talon
which is forge world stuff
The killteam is literally infantry
They are guardsmen
You run them as guardsmen
storm jungle
just give us the fucking tallerns again already
I'd rather not have british representation of white guy desert nomads from Lawrence of Arabia
summer rover
i'd be find with mordian monopose. that would just be in character for the army.
urban spire
chad armageddon steel legion vs the virgin krieg
arctic talon
i'd be find with mordian monopose. that would just be in character for the army.
Mordian monopose would be fun all formation based
storm jungle
Armageddon were also literally more german than Krieg were back in the day
crystal forum
The killteam is literally infantry
you're not listening
storm jungle
so its double-weird
arctic talon
you're not listening
The infantry kit for dkok is either forgeworld or the killteam
I am listening
You’re saying dkok infantry are unplayable without fw
Which is false
urban spire
i don't know much about steel legion i just like that they have like
the appearance of being humans with an inner world
crystal forum
You’re saying dkok infantry are unplayable without fw
im saying it'll look stupid because if you buy the normal GW store infantry to go with them you'll have krigers surrounded by cadians
arctic talon
im saying it'll look stupid because if you buy the normal GW store infantry to g...
You can use the killteam as normal infantry tho
winter vessel
I like Krieg because I favor the aspect of siege warfare, rows upon rows of trenches, their clothing and uniform as a ww1 historian fan. The memes were a bonus.
arctic talon
I don’t get what your point is rn
crystal forum
You can use the killteam as normal infantry tho
it's barely enough infantry for an army
arctic talon
it's barely enough infantry for an army
No it isn’t
You buy several boxes of the killteam
Because again they aren’t monopose lol
crystal forum
yeah if they're in stock
summer rover
good luck finding anyone to play a game of trench warfare in warhammer 40k.
arctic talon
yeah if they're in stock
????
That’s not an argument
They were in stock for almost all of 9e lol
You can make an entire dkok army out of plastic now
winter vessel
And yet the Harakoni will never see the light of day. The E.D.T boys are just filling in the gap for me.
urban spire
anyway the militarum in general isn't the most interesting aspect of humanity in 40k
arctic talon
You act like people can’t build a dkok army
When they easily can nowadays
People just don’t want to
urban spire
they are a good vessel for storytelling, as shown by dan abnett and sandy mitchell
but i'd rather have more perspectives from folks in hive cities or the weirder planets
arctic talon
Oh nvm the infantry squad is cheaper now
It used to be 60$
Now it’s 50
Weird lol
arctic talon
I mean that doesn’t change my point it’s still the easiest it’s been in years to make a dkok army
But people still don’t
crystal forum
was that what we were arguing about
arctic talon
You don’t even need to be infantry heavy
winter vessel
but i'd rather have more perspectives from folks in hive cities or the weirder p...
That's like focusing on one singular grain of sand on the entire planet. I mean yeah, they could but what would it be on about? Xeno invasion, chaos corruption.
urban spire
anyway how about some vitrian dragoons
arctic talon
anyway how about some vitrian dragoons
Very fancy
arctic talon
was that what we were arguing about
That was my point more so that dkok aren’t more popular then Cadians people just don’t want to run them
urban spire
arctic talon
People also don’t like artillery heavy lists
winter vessel
I love scale armor
urban spire
post this vitrian to frighten a lasgun
crystal forum
That was my point more so that dkok aren’t more popular then Cadians people just...
i think both suck anyways
arctic talon
crystal forum
i wish i could buy steel legion
arctic talon
Fair
They had really good metal minis
Prolly some of the best ever made
But krieg has always been more popular in memes because ?????
I don’t get it
Especially the shovel joke
crystal forum
the internet is full of wheraboos
arctic talon
They’re literally ww1 German/French
crystal forum
exactly
arctic talon
Only their naming convention is German
crystal forum
internet eats that up
crystal forum
trench
arctic talon
It is so overdone nowadays
crystal forum
we're in the era where global wars that have ravaged entire countries are reduced to memes and anime shows
urban spire
it's overdone if you're inundated in 40k stuff maybe, but if you're like me and you only go into the 40k fugue state once every couple of months it's still funny
arctic talon
They might do it again
crystal forum
it's overdone if you're inundated in 40k stuff maybe, but if you're like me and ...
it gets annoying when you really like astra militarum i think
krieg has a lot of aesthetics but it's ultimately really bland
there's no depth
urban spire
every couple months i see a krieger hitting something with a shovel and i go "haha, shovel :3"
crystal forum
their origin story is boring too
urban spire
the most interesting story you can tell about krieg is the revolution where they break out of the indoctrination
but that's never going to happen
crystal forum
the most interesting story you can tell about krieg is the revolution where they...
they'd literally lose their only quirk
if you want that shit read farsight
urban spire
they would have to develop a new culture that isn't just about dying for a long forgotten sin
and that culture could be interesting
crystal forum
or you could just use one of the very numerous other guard regiments
urban spire
because none of them are krieg
crystal forum
what makes krieg so special to you
urban spire
krieg isn't special to me, i just think that's the only interesting story you could tell with them
crystal forum
"unit seeing how bad the imperium is" has been done by a lot of writers very successfully
read soul drinkers
arctic talon
I like it when krieg frag their own comissars bcs they want to retreat
As in the dkok want to retreat
urban spire
i hate space marines, i will not read their books
crystal forum
funny how krieg is supposed to be the ultra grimdark regiment but it ends up being comical
urban spire
soul drinkers look kinda interesting though
crystal forum
soul drinkers look kinda interesting though
trust me it's good
urban spire
everything ends up comical when you take ultra grimdark too far
crystal forum
im reading it right now
i usually hate space marines too
but these books are something else
it's so much crazy shit i love it
they have to fight both chaos and the imperium lol
urban spire
wonder if there's an audiobook
crystal forum
i just finished the third book in the omnibus and holy shit
it only gets better and better
urban spire
nope, just paperback, guess i'm not reading that at all then
crystal forum
damn
well you could try farsight
i've never read it but from what i can tell it's the good boys
i have to try so hard to stop myself from buying stuff before the starter packs come out
urban spire
save up and buy a 3d printer standard template construct
crystal forum
save up and buy a ~~3d printer~~ standard template construct
stop reminding me that i have to buy a resin printer 
my dilemma is that even if i buy minis i still won't be able to get them here
crystal forum
hey look there's lasgun recoil in this book
im bookmarking this passage
for later reference
it's a triplex pattern btw
summer rover
gas kick from a power converter? what's it converting to the electrictal charge, peat?
arctic talon
gas kick from a power converter? what's it converting to the electrictal charge,...
Human skin
summer rover
that's gonna be a terrible energy ratio, you'd be better off burning their hair.
arctic talon
True
crystal forum
gas kick from a power converter? what's it converting to the electrictal charge,...
from a first glance it sounds like a bunch of air is forced through somewhere to cool the power converter so it does recoil
like whatever converts the energy packs to laser
i have no idea how that would be strong enough to bruise a shoulder
summer rover
GW's editors are as useless as ever. it's a shame sci-fi magazines died off from the internet because reviewers should really rake them over the coals for being this dumb
crystal forum
hey i prefer lasgun recoil actually
i dont care if it's unrealistic. it just feels right
summer rover
just give them stub rifles.
crystal forum
guardsmen have lasguns. that's the issue
the setting would have worked perfectly well if autoguns were default
summer rover
many regiments use autorifles.
summer rover
just none of the famous ones
storm jungle
autoguns are usually secondary
summer rover
and it's not like the writers understand autorifles either, i don't think they know what caseless means
storm jungle
its a mix of reliableness mixed with posterboy firearms
rose thorn
I mean what sounds cooler, mass produced laser rifles that can blow off limbs and are as a stable as a dollar tree flash light
storm jungle
Lmao
summer rover
listen, if the writers cannot understand how to write the guns without slapping random words over the time their friend let them shoot an AR-15, they should just be made to write in suitable guns.
rose thorn
Or, an m14
storm jungle
listen, if the writers cannot understand how to write the guns without slapping ...
If i was writing a BL book i couldnt care less tbh
its a goofy sci-fi universe
rose thorn
In a sci-fi setting
summer rover
you can't hide beind the goofy to justify fucking up when you're trying to edgelord your way through shit.
languid salmon
the hell they can't
summer rover
they aren't compatible writing techniques. it's like putting catsup on a porterhouse steak.
storm jungle
you can't hide beind the goofy to justify fucking up when you're trying to edgel...
They have for 30 years
It aint changing
crystal forum
i like goofy
storm jungle
And people dont mule over this stuff
crystal forum
goofy is what keeps 40k fun
storm jungle
most people that complain about them are either on reddit or places like this
summer rover
it's not even goofy, it's just fucking dumb.
summer rover
i didn't think hard about it, it leapt out at me like a rat in the subway after my hot dog.
crystal forum
if a casual mention of something makes you angry at an entire book then idk what to say
languid salmon
eat the rat
crystal forum
guns arent the main focus of 40k
summer rover
bad tourniment rules are the main focus of 40k, though. that's really a lot worse.
crystal forum
the only reason im going into tabletop is to flex my OC regiment
look how wild and wacky it is! they use autoguns!
summer rover
screw that, if i'm making an OC guard regiment i'm giving them all AKs
uneven temple
that'd be a cool kitbash
uneven temple
oh nice
summer rover
just order a big pile of gun. heck, be a dick and give everyone a plasma gun. "they count as lasguns, they're set to warm tea"
crystal forum
im just happy i found a rule list that lets me have dumb shit
urban spire
orin i have bad news for you
the most famous 40k writer has never once referred to a magazine as a magazine
it's always a clip
arctic talon
Clipazine