40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats an old votann

[arctic talon]

It’s a squat

[storm jungle]

literally copied from the artwork

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/b/b7/SquatNecromunda.jpg

[coarse mirage]

and an Enslaver?

[storm jungle]

yep

also a zoat

you can also see a solitaire

and uh

creed

[coarse mirage]

Oh that's a zoat

[arctic talon]

Wraith knight

Part of an enslaver maybe

[coarse mirage]

and one of the bug people

I forget their name

Tau auxilliary

[arctic talon]

Vespids

[storm jungle]

also my favorite thing

about the background eldar titan

its literally this image

but in a vector/blackstyle

[arctic talon]

Smart reuse of assets lul

[storm jungle]

goat moment

[coarse mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-gif-22057358

[storm jungle]

🐐

btu yeah thats one of the better episodes

mostly because of the end twists

[coarse mirage]

Oh and a THunder Warrior

as it zooms out

[crystal forum]

how did he capture an entire titan

[storm jungle]

its trazyn

he literally captured an entire world with nids

and a hive fleet

[coarse mirage]

Trazyn had several armies inside a tesseract labyrinth

[storm jungle]

^

[coarse mirage]

Just threw it on the floor on Cadia

[storm jungle]

tesseract labrynths also have like

infinite space in them

so

[coarse mirage]

XVI?

14th?

[storm jungle]

thats Sons of Horus

30k era helmet

[crystal forum]

wait

[coarse mirage]

Thunder Warrior and Cain

[crystal forum]

that's a terminator helmet

[storm jungle]

Nah

it sa Mark 3

[crystal forum]

yes

that is not mark 3 bozo

[storm jungle]

theres like 10 marks

[coarse mirage]

fight fight fight fight

[storm jungle]

idgaf

[crystal forum]

hold on

[storm jungle]

also DIE

[arctic talon]

It’s just MKIV

I’m pretty sure

[crystal forum]

let me get this

[coarse mirage]

What's that up on the left?

[storm jungle]

Spindle Drone

[coarse mirage]

THe three legged thing and the rat ogre-looking one

[storm jungle]

from blackstone fortress

[arctic talon]

Spindle drone

[coarse mirage]

What were those?

[storm jungle]

basically

[arctic talon]

Security robots

[storm jungle]

the fortress- yep

[arctic talon]

They’re also “edible”

According to a kroot

[storm jungle]

They are harmless lil guys we swear

[arctic talon]

Now granted he cracked one open and drank the black fluid inside

And had convulsions for 5 days straight

But he was fine

Probably

[coarse mirage]

What a meal

[storm jungle]

literally me

[green loom]

Dilara is right that's Mk4 Maximus

Jay is probably thinking of Tartaros helmets

[arctic talon]

The big rat ogre thing is a ambull

I think

[coarse mirage]

And a genestealer prime or whatnot up on the right?

[storm jungle]

thanks buddy

[coarse mirage]

Can't quite tell

[storm jungle]

hive tyrant

[crimson kayak]

Tbf imagine a kroot diet being only those after being stuck in a Blackstone fortress and evolving from it

[arctic talon]

MkIV my beloved

[crystal forum]

some terminator armours have this sort of thing on them

[storm jungle]

THATS JUST A TOPKNOT

[crystal forum]

but im on my phone so i cant find them

[coarse mirage]

Odd looking tyrant

[arctic talon]

The topknot is a sons of Horus thing

[crystal forum]

ITS AN EZAMPLE

[arctic talon]

Normal sons of Horus had it as well

[storm jungle]

IM GONNA EAT YOU ALIVE

[arctic talon]

It’s a MKIV HELMET REEEEE

[storm jungle]

also that

[coarse mirage]

I'm a bot knot

[crystal forum]

i swear to god some terminator armours had the top knot

[storm jungle]

nah they did

[crystal forum]

THERE

[coarse mirage]

What's the book?

[crystal forum]

WAIT

fuck

[storm jungle]

Its a reference to one of the eariler episodes

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

Bound for Greatness

[coarse mirage]

Aah

[storm jungle]

yeee

[green loom]

Me smurt

[storm jungle]

🙏

[arctic talon]

My beloved

[storm jungle]

@crystal forum

[crystal forum]

i am correct

[arctic talon]

It’s mark IV

I will not be wrong

[coarse mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-wiseau-oh-hi-mark-hey-mark-gif-17296134

[crystal forum]

you're a mark iv

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

god

💀

but yeah fun episode

[coarse mirage]

I'm at least a mark 6

[arctic talon]

I will argue about stupid color schemes in Horus heresy

Do not test me

[crystal forum]

how do you think that thunder warrior would react to being brought out of stasis or whatever

[arctic talon]

Angry

Besides that suprise

[coarse mirage]

He will thunder poop himself

From what I've learned they're alive as they are

So they might go a bit crazy

[arctic talon]

They usually aren’t aware

Unless trazyn wants them to be

Like he did with a death watch killteam and an ork warboss

[crystal forum]

that sounds like the worst torture

[arctic talon]

He puts them inches away from killing each other

Lmao

[coarse mirage]

Cockblocked for eternity

[arctic talon]

If you’re wondering what they did to deserve that they damaged some of his exhibits

[crystal forum]

doesn't trazyn own a man of iron

[storm jungle]

Trazyn owns almost everything

[arctic talon]

Horus heresy players arguing about color schemes is always fun

[storm jungle]

also yeah uh

[arctic talon]

Especially when it’s about what is an armored column

[storm jungle]

everyone in his exhibits are concious

[terse flume]

would it even be meaningful to him

[arctic talon]

And what is an armored company

[storm jungle]

Hes a collector

he doesnt care

[arctic talon]

Depends

[terse flume]

i thought he was awake during the men of iron thing

[arctic talon]

Some aren’t

[terse flume]

right i mean

[arctic talon]

Others are

[storm jungle]

he was sleeping

[crystal forum]

taking a snooze

[arctic talon]

He might have a few from the heresy era

Fights with men of iron

[terse flume]

to him it would not be some solution to a long mystery but a thing that happened, but fair enough if he was nappin

[arctic talon]

Bcs that’s when he got interested in human stuff

Before he thought they were very boring

[terse flume]

that's fair, we are

[crystal forum]

does he own an old one

[arctic talon]

And now he literally has a hoarding problem

For guard regiments and space marines

He has spares of spares

[terse flume]

no but he owns an ossified controller or whatever they're called iirc

[storm jungle]

Enslaver

[terse flume]

ta

[storm jungle]

you fucking SIMPLETON

[crystal forum]

are enslavers not a thing anymore

[storm jungle]

they are

[terse flume]

i said i didn't know! this is police brutality!

[storm jungle]

and very active

[crystal forum]

but they're like pre chaos gods right

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[crystal forum]

crazy

[storm jungle]

they are warp monsters

they use psykers as portals

and enslave worlds

get it

like in their name

[crystal forum]

no please explain

[storm jungle]

AAA-

[terse flume]

and when they say use them as portals

i do not mean as an analogy

[arctic talon]

It’s pretty gross

lol

[terse flume]

their flesh literally becomes a door

[storm jungle]

yep

imagine those uh

spawners from Doom

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/doom/images/f/f5/Gore_nest_detailed.png/revision/latest?cb=20190110092250

[crystal forum]

and this is why you should kill your nearest witch

[terse flume]

that's why necrons went to sleep iirc

[storm jungle]

Both that and other reasons

[terse flume]

because all the planets were covered with enslavers and they were like eh wait until winter and they'll all die off

[storm jungle]

Theres one story where a governor refuses to give up his psychic daughter

and it causes an enslaver outbreak

which dooms a whole system

[crystal forum]

yeah i heard of it

[arctic talon]

Yeah the eldar were fighting them and then the enslavers showed up

Which weren’t a huge issue for the Necrons

[crystal forum]

what happened to enslavers

[arctic talon]

But it was a pain in the ass for the eldar

So they took the chance to sleep

[storm jungle]

Nothing

they are just still around

[terse flume]

can't eat my soul if i don't have one, fucker

[arctic talon]

Eldar killed a lot of them

And they’re still around

[crystal forum]

why arent they turning all psykers to goop then

[arctic talon]

Rarer

[terse flume]

they exist outside of realspace somehow

[storm jungle]

same reason as why sharks dont eat every sea life

[arctic talon]

And the imperium teaches psykers resistance

[terse flume]

they come from Somewhere Else

[arctic talon]

To these sorts of things

[crystal forum]

wait so can enslavers use ANY psykers

[terse flume]

yeah that's the thing the emp's thing does to psykers

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Yes

[crystal forum]

even fucking grey knights

[arctic talon]

Even a really weak one

[terse flume]

his gift makes you resistant to them

[arctic talon]

Yes

It literally happens to a grey knight

In their codex

[storm jungle]

Yep

[arctic talon]

He loses focus while fighting a daemon

And fucking explodes

[storm jungle]

Enslavers are like animals tho basically

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

they gotta find a spot to enslave a psyker first

[arctic talon]

They aren’t really that smart

[storm jungle]

^

they are parasites

or like a tick

[terse flume]

they're like a para yeah

[storm jungle]

yeee

[arctic talon]

Also a lot of them died

So they’re much more rare

[crystal forum]

so they just suck planets dry

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Pretty much lol

[terse flume]

i think it's like tyranids and there's no firm word like how large their numbres are whereever tf they come from, and there might be uncountable numbers, right?

[storm jungle]

Yep

[crystal forum]

so does the power of the psyker affect the portal

[arctic talon]

All we know is that they’re rarer then they used to be

[arctic talon]

No

The weakest Psyker will make the same portal as the strongest one

It’s just how fed the enslaver gets

[crystal forum]

so an alpha+ level psyker could just goopify

[arctic talon]

Off of eating them

Yeah

If they aren’t careful lol

[terse flume]

three enslavers can come from a psyker or something, they spread like that not expontentially but really fucking fast

[storm jungle]

theres another great story from Xenologis where uh some investigator lady finds a coven of humans worshipping an enslaver

And the enslaver looks at her.

And she literally is frozen on spot and cannot do anything before something distracts the enslaver (cant super recall what) and she escapes down a loooong garbage chute

she looks up to see the enslaver fucking staring down at her

and she runs away to the underhive

the next time she just gets a ticket STRAIGHT out of the planet

[arctic talon]

If you’re wondering how the imperium kills enslavers

[crystal forum]

wasnt that an inquisitor

[storm jungle]

I THINK so

[arctic talon]

Fun fact they work worse on people with bionics

[storm jungle]

its been awhile

[arctic talon]

Especially those with a lot of them

[crystal forum]

or wait no

it was a rogue trader

[arctic talon]

That’s right mass servitorization

Works great

[crystal forum]

so mechanicus is right as always

[arctic talon]

Sorta?

Bionics will only take you so far

Resistant doesn’t mean immune

[crystal forum]

can you shoot enslavers

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crystal forum]

problem solved

[arctic talon]

They are just very very scary animals

They’re just very durable

[terse flume]

they used to look so fucking funny, lol

also iirc it used to be ambiguious if they were sapient or not but they leaned away

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

were they ever units on tabletop

[arctic talon]

No

[crystal forum]

sucks

[arctic talon]

Always background fluff

First mentioned in the 1e eldar codex

[storm jungle]

ACTUALLY

[arctic talon]

Please don’t tell me

[storm jungle]

you could do mockup units of them from a white dwarf entry

[arctic talon]

They were in inqusitor or some shit

Oh

That’s neat

[storm jungle]

thats where they also get their first official sketch by jess goodwin

[crystal forum]

what were their attacks

[storm jungle]

Uhh i gotta find it hold on

[terse flume]

mr blobby looking mf

[crystal forum]

starship troopers looking ass

kinda fitting that it looks like a giant tick

[arctic talon]

But they might be sapient

Just not like

Human level sapient

But they’re pure evil so I say kill then all

[crystal forum]

there arent many well known creatures of the warp huh

[storm jungle]

aight found the white dwarf issue

[arctic talon]

There’s the wasp things

[storm jungle]

now the page

[arctic talon]

That lay eggs in your brain

And the spider things

[crystal forum]

i kinda like the idea of primordial beings of pure warp

[arctic talon]

That just kill you

[storm jungle]

FOUND IT

[arctic talon]

Huh

They kinda suck

[arctic talon]

Never mind

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

ALL UNITS EVEN VEHICLES

[arctic talon]

I mean

[crystal forum]

YOU CAN ENSLAVE A PRIMARCH

[arctic talon]

Vehicles have pilots

Tbf

[storm jungle]

GET EM

[arctic talon]

Magnus almost got killed by a funny warp wasp

Remember lul

[storm jungle]

Also more memes

[crystal forum]

holy shit though imagine stacking enslavers and controlling your opponent's forces

[green loom]

Primarchs are like humans, they'll survive being stomped by titans, orbital re entry, brain bursting head shots
But then die after tripping over a rock

[storm jungle]

they are just like me fr fr

[arctic talon]

Morbindus

Lmao

[crystal forum]

lmao i love oldhammer

[green loom]

Bindus

[arctic talon]

They’re still canon lul

And they’re a huge problem

[coarse mirage]

holy ahit thatsdumb

[arctic talon]

On catachan

[crystal forum]

the rules i mean

[arctic talon]

Oh

Fair

Just play it as a death strike missile

The barking toad

[crystal forum]

the toads are pretty funny though

[arctic talon]

Is the missile

[green loom]

"Upon contact with a predator, the barking toad will simply explode"

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crystal forum]

like i hate when enemies can ignore power armour filtering

[arctic talon]

But it’s funny

It’s a toad

[green loom]

Idk there's only so much filters can do

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-frog-xd-gif-25168050

[green loom]

When your armour is being melted

[crystal forum]

unless it's acid and chewing through the filters, not really

[arctic talon]

Barking toads are prolly acidic

Considering they melt people

[green loom]

Half the bio weapons in 40k reduce things to a sludge lel

[arctic talon]

But we don’t have hard confirmation

Technically

But I’d say melting everything assumes acid

[storm jungle]

i think you just... un-exist

because the places they blow stops anything from growing

[crystal forum]

you just have to imagine how such a creature would evolve to that point

[arctic talon]

They salt the earth

[arctic talon]

Devolved tyranid bioerapon

[green loom]

I'm now imagining catachan pdf goading toads into exploding to make for livable areas

[crystal forum]

ok i keep fucking hearing this but is it true or not

[storm jungle]

theres a story in Xenologis where a catachan jungle fighter turned pirate is explaining how he survived one

does anyone want to take a guess

[arctic talon]

Maybe? The catachan devil is

[crystal forum]

he's sly marbo

[green loom]

He jumps into the mouth of a catachan devil to hide

[crystal forum]

yeah so just rumors?

[storm jungle]

He was one kilometer away from the blast-zone.

His entire squad died but he just had a chemical burn on one side of his body.

they were just patrolling a fucking perimeter too

[arctic talon]

For the toad yeah

[crystal forum]

the rule thing says it also kills them lol

[storm jungle]

The only nid rumor is for the Devil

but its never been uh

really confirmed

[green loom]

It dies, the guy inside lives

[crystal forum]

it's a good excuse for nonsensical evolutionary adaptations

[storm jungle]

Yeah but it also doesnt look like a tyranid

[arctic talon]

The only tyranid bioform is uh

[crystal forum]

but it's catachan so who cares

[arctic talon]

That we know is devolved

Is the fenrisian kraken

Bcs it’s eggs have tiny tyranid rippers in it

[storm jungle]

notice the Leman Russ

[green loom]

Which one is that

[languid salmon]

seems chill to me

[arctic talon]

Catachan devil

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/6/62/KrakenFenris.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191119211752

This is a fenrisian kraken

[storm jungle]

no thats Patrick

also theres a really good short story nobody knows about with the kraken

where uh

some fucking morons; because space wolves; brings her eggs to the base

and they hatch

and fucking run away and they gotta hunt em down

[arctic talon]

Lol

Is the story with the rippers?

[storm jungle]

Im not super sure i swear it was the kraken eggs

let me find it

[green loom]

Gladius warped my perception to thinking they were super centipedes

[arctic talon]

Bcs I know there’s a story where they get an egg

And they get a biologis and a wolf orient to look at it

And they conclude there’s tyranids in it

[storm jungle]

Members of the Magos Biologis have examined the Egg and say it is Tyranid in origin, proving that the Hive Fleets have visited the Galaxy much earlier than the Imperium's first "official" contact with the species in M41.

OH YEAH

I entirely forgot about this

mostly because they brush past it instantly lol

[arctic talon]

Also that one time the emperor fought totally not a tyranid sleeper fleet

Ignore the fact the bio acid burns they left were the exact same

As hive fleet behemoths

[storm jungle]

💀

Hate warhammer.

[arctic talon]

Lol

[summer rover]

really that's not even warhammer's fault, that's the fault of the editors never cracking the whip on the writers doing dumb shit.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

I like the kraken egg thing

It’s neat

But I also only have a killteam of tyranids so

Meh

[summer rover]

most of the short stories are full of gibberish that shouldn't have been allowed near canon but the editors don't bother checking for anything but typoes and other company's IPs (they can't steal) so it gets in.

[green loom]

Nono
They can't steal blatantly

[arctic talon]

Inspiration™️

I want an age of sigmar total war

For some reason

Idk why

[storm jungle]

I mean

its gonna happen

just not yet lmao

Especially since AOS is still ongoing as a franchise

[arctic talon]

Also they’re not done milking TWW3 yet

[storm jungle]

that too

[arctic talon]

And they’re making the new Egyptian total war

Please be historical

[storm jungle]

Warhammer has been their most successful franchise as well

[arctic talon]

Or don’t

I just want a total war game without magic again

[storm jungle]

lmao too late

The Mummy: Returns time

[arctic talon]

Does it have magic

[viral halo]

that shit gonna FLOP

[arctic talon]

Looks fine to me

[viral halo]

Made by the Troy team

[storm jungle]

oh

💀

[celest dome]

Think it's a Saga/historical iirc

[storm jungle]

Now we can get to witness the Horus Heresy in its IRL format

[viral halo]

It's gonna be troy again

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

also like even if its good the warhammer fantasy saga has people spoiled

nobody is that interested in historical titles anymore

[arctic talon]

If it’s gona be like Troy then oof

[storm jungle]

CA opened pandoras box

[arctic talon]

I want shogun 3

[viral halo]

Total warhammer is one of the worst things that happened to total war

and I love warhammer fantasy

[arctic talon]

Literally true

[celest dome]

AoS TW would work. Just need to make the different realms work.
But I really want a Age of Mythology TW

[storm jungle]

Yeah its the worst and best

[arctic talon]

Please make shogun 3

[storm jungle]

but it REALLY affected total war as a franchise

[arctic talon]

Total war shogun 2 is really good

Despite the AI being the most like

[viral halo]

three kingdoms had the most sales EVER as a total war game and they abandoned its development halfway through to focus on twh3

let that sink in

[arctic talon]

Piece of shit evil

ai

Three kingdoms era technically isn’t historical 🤓

[storm jungle]

China existing isnt technically historical either

[arctic talon]

Even in Chinese history classes it’s that way

[storm jungle]

damn it

[arctic talon]

Guess I don’t exist

[storm jungle]

AAA

[celest dome]

Still annoyed that they put the CoC in the WoC instead of their respective Monogod

[storm jungle]

That shit SUCKED

[viral halo]

I'm playing as archaon in SFO right now and it's the first time ive had fun playing chaos

[celest dome]

3k is Saga no ?

[viral halo]

Nope

[arctic talon]

Oh it is

Wait it’s historical

Fuck nvm lol

[viral halo]

it's a full fledged total war with historical or ahistorical mode

[arctic talon]

But the three kingdoms era is super embellished historically

It’s better to think of it as

Mythology + actual history

[viral halo]

that's chinese history in a bottle

[arctic talon]

Okay fair

But it’s Iike

Even more then the usual lol

[celest dome]

Doesn't Troy technically have a historical mode ? Still is a Saga

[arctic talon]

Also Cathay is the money cow for Chinese sales now lol

[celest dome]

Chinese Market go brrrr

[arctic talon]

Honestly Cathay is cool

Bcs dragons are cool

Who doesn’t like dragons

[celest dome]

I have issues with it

[arctic talon]

What about it particularly

[celest dome]

Major oned

[arctic talon]

I’m interested

Dwarfs don’t have sky ships yet?

Dwarfs are like the unloved child of TWW

[celest dome]

Their magic system make no sense to the broader lore. And result only from GW/CA being lazy and taking the Chinese thingy at face value without taking lore matters to chose which is which

[arctic talon]

Okay fair

That makes sense

What even is their magic system I haven’t looked at it lol

Isn’t it derivative of the winds of magic

Or no

[celest dome]

Their Major factions names, I understand that Old China did that, are lame, North Province should have been Great Bastion for example

[arctic talon]

I’ve ironically never touched Cathay

In total war lol

I really should play it some time

[celest dome]

It's 2 systems:
Wind of Magic, but renamed in stupid ways
Ying/Yang, each being set on 4 winds, but they chose the 4 winds stupidly

[arctic talon]

Oh

Weird

The renaming is meh

Ig

[celest dome]

Like the Storm Dragon, doesn't use the lore of magic associated with Storms, but use Life

[arctic talon]

But what 4 winds did they choose for yin and Yang

[celest dome]

Cause Water is life in Chinese mythos

[arctic talon]

That’s just

Why

Doesn’t Miao ying literally use lighting lol

[celest dome]

Don't remember exactly, I was too annoyed at that time

[arctic talon]

Bruh none of her magic is lighting lmao

[celest dome]

Has Lightning animations. But use the lore of Life
https://totalwarwarhammer.fandom.com/wiki/Miao_Ying,_the_Storm_Dragon

[arctic talon]

All her spells make sense in lore of life

Except for the fact she’s a lightning breathing dragon

And uses lighting to murder people

Lmao

Incredible

[crystal forum]

please

just say lightning correctly at least once

[celest dome]

Cause Storm->Water->Life

[arctic talon]

No

I will misspell everything

[crystal forum]

[celest dome]

But you didn't misspell misspell

[arctic talon]

Die

[crystal forum]

miao ying the interior lighting decorator

[arctic talon]

Okay but unironically

She doesn’t use any spells that would fit azyr

Is dragon fire magical?

In total war

[celest dome]

Also the metal dragon should have been a half draconic being stuck midway transformation, would have been cooler

[celest dome]

But she should have

[arctic talon]

[celest dome]

Azyr would have made sense

[arctic talon]

Idk

Also isn’t azyr in Cathay just called lore of heaven

Or whatever lol

Which a bunch of other factions in total war also call it that

Or am I wrong

[summer rover]

no it's just always been called lore of heavens. azyr is the name for the flavor of magic that powers it.

[crystal forum]

this is all nonsensical

[arctic talon]

Ah

[arctic talon]

Not really

[crystal forum]

i prefer 40k where everything is realistic

[arctic talon]

What fucking wind of magic is lore of yang

Same with yin

[celest dome]

Azyr: Black Tongue name
Heaven: Elf name (Used by most cause the Elf taught to most people)
Tzunki: Lizard name
Something: Cathay name

[summer rover]

neither, most of the stuff made for totalwarhammer is comedically non-canon

[arctic talon]

Lol

Fair

[arctic talon]

It’s still called lore of heaven in Cathay

[crystal forum]

ok something im jealous of warhammer fantasy is how they actually try to classify psyker stuff

[arctic talon]

Iirc

I mean

There’s like literal winds of magic

In fantasy

That are harnessed by spellcastwrs

[crystal forum]

better than "uh idk witch stuff"

[arctic talon]

I mean

Psykers are categorized

In the imperium

[crystal forum]

yes you are mean

[arctic talon]

Or rather Psyker powers

[summer rover]

the metaphysical systems in fantasy and 40k are very different.

[arctic talon]

^also this

The winds of magic are nothing like the psychic powers

[celest dome]

In total war
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Grand_Cathay#Cathayan_Magic

[celest dome]

But aren't exclusive

[arctic talon]

Their abilities are

[summer rover]

you can't compare the two. a wizard in fantasy can get away with a minor beard-singing from something that in 40k would crap daemon hordes out.

[arctic talon]

Categorized tbf

Smite is biomancy

[celest dome]

You can learn from more than 1 disciplines

[crystal forum]

if i could pull out my soul drinker omnibus again i have an opinion of this

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

[summer rover]

"smite is biomancy" continues to piss me off.

[arctic talon]

It’s stupid

Imo

But dark imperium did it

And it’s stuck

[crystal forum]

so sarpedon is a psyker who can send but not receive

[arctic talon]

[celest dome]

Then do so nerd

[crystal forum]

he can conjure stuff in people's minds

but he explicitly says he cannot read minds

[celest dome]

Smite alway used to be Bio-lightning

Well to be fair. There used to be multiple smites

[crystal forum]

and in the book it's stated a few times that there's clear classifications of psyker powers

[arctic talon]

The rpgs prolly have the most like

[crystal forum]

like a psyker can only do certain things

[arctic talon]

Comprehensive classifications

But you can dip into multiple

Like most imperial psykers know how to smite

Even if they don’t specialize in biomancy

[crystal forum]

yeah that's why the RPG prob has more leway than story requirements

[celest dome]

And there are other more obscure/rare discipline/abilities

[crystal forum]

and some powerful psykers can clearly do whatever they want

[arctic talon]

Hoarfrost my beloved

Only in the rogue trader rpg lul

Then never again

[celest dome]

One of the book mention something of the sort iirc

[crystal forum]

like im sure malcador could turn you into a pretzel by looking at you

[arctic talon]

Telekinesis

Technically

🤓

[celest dome]

Or Biomancy

[crystal forum]

and emperor could do fucking everything

[arctic talon]

Emperor was a Biomancer mostly

[crystal forum]

really?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

i thought he was a telepath

[arctic talon]

It’s why he was so physically scary in combat

[celest dome]

He mostly used a few at once

[arctic talon]

Yeah that also

[crystal forum]

yeah i thought that was giving a cool image in other's minds

[summer rover]

emperor was effectively a god, he did not have restrictions to what he could to.

[celest dome]

Liek his appearance is Telepathy

[crystal forum]

he wasn't a god

[arctic talon]

Also yeah this

[celest dome]

Eh, not really. Otherwise we wouldn't be in our situation.
Just very powerful

[crystal forum]

im just saying powerful psykers can ignore the rules

it's like a plot progression thing

[celest dome]

Oh yeah. Alpha + goes from Jeane Grey to God in theory

Prof. X probably would only be an Alpha or even a delta

[arctic talon]

Alright guess what psychic type this represents

[crystal forum]

isn't it funny how superhero comics ironically only show the upper limits of the power spectrums

and whenever weak heroes are somewhere it's a deliberate choice by the author

[celest dome]

Isn't that the sorcery one about machines ?

[arctic talon]

Nah it represents telepathy lol

[crystal forum]

i was going to say that

[arctic talon]

Idk why

I guess it’s the vox caster

In the servoskull

[crystal forum]

it looks telepathic to me

weirdos

is the model you get for warhammer+ a limited edition

[celest dome]

You have rhe others ?

[crystal forum]

no

[arctic talon]

This one should be easy lol

[arctic talon]

Yes

[celest dome]

Divination

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[celest dome]

With the Emperor's Tarot

[crystal forum]

fine guess i'm buying warhammer+

if the website allows me

[celest dome]

Though iirc it can be used offensively

[arctic talon]

It can be

Iirc

I just forgor how

This one should be easy

[celest dome]

Same, I just know its not throwing them like Gambit

Biomancy? Tbh I would say something more like sorcery

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s biomancy

[celest dome]

Where are those from ?

[arctic talon]

Imperium maledictum

[crystal forum]

yup website won't let me access warhammer+ subscription page

even though it's available in my country

should i bother contacting support or accept this as divine intervention

[copper slate]

@crimson kayak What do you think of the potential usage of the Deathbed Lotus?

[crystal forum]

fuck it i'll contact support

[crystal forum]

there's a typo in the automated reply to confirm they received the email

literally unplayable

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

[crystal forum]

is there a single xeno faction that doesn't use overkill weapons

[arctic talon]

define overkill

bcs tau, genestealer cultists and orks all use pretty normalish guns

also Leagues of Votaan

though I suppose GSC are using imperial guns mostly

[queen laurel]

Well, Orks build their guns like lego so they can definitely be considered overkill

Imagine getting shot by a green fungus then the green fungus pulls out a pocket-sized cannon and attaches it to his already annoying to deal with machine gun

[arctic talon]

Tbh they’re usually in the same ballpark as imperium guns

Is more of what I’m trying to say

[undone zodiac]

And then pulls out the tellyporta gun and teleports gretchin inside you

[arctic talon]

The gun that makes you turn into literal glass

Isn’t common

[arctic talon]

Not a common gun tbh

But absolutely hilarious and horrifying

[queen laurel]

That's fair, but calling orks not overkill is definitely wrong

Sure they probably have the most primitive all weapons but that doesn't mean it's not absolutely brutal

[arctic talon]

Again same ball park as imperial guns in terms of like

Normality

A heavy shoota isn’t that much worse then a heavy bolter

[queen laurel]

Yeah, but a zzap gun is

[arctic talon]

But they aren’t common

Is my point

Almost every necron has a gauss weapon

[queen laurel]

Yeah that is definitely right

[arctic talon]

Dark eldar all have horrifying torture guns made up by an edge lord

[queen laurel]

Yes and their stronger weapons are just gauss plus

[arctic talon]

Nids have that but alien edition

[arctic talon]

Or they just teleport you into a sun lol

Prolly the funniest melee weapon in the game

[queen laurel]

Or the weapon just out rights blow up the entire sun because they can do that with the god damn celestial orrery

[queen laurel]

Even the basic blades vibrate in and out of dimensions to f*** you over

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Necrons have some serious bullshit lol

Anyways I want an ork to loot a doomsday arks cannon

And mount it on a mork naut

[queen laurel]

Yeah and like orks, thanks to their own characteristics they don't get to use that strength to their advantage

Like orks are devastating, they carry a lot of fire power they have annoyingly tough vehicles and infantry, but since they like to kill stuff including other members of their own race that tends to keep them in check

[arctic talon]

Tbh the orks, Necrons or nids are winning

chaos as well

[queen laurel]

Yeah necrons, Orks, and nids, show a lot more horrifying capabilities of destruction compared to chaos somehow

A hard to stop ever adapting and growing biological disaster

Unfeeling machines that have weapons that can turn you into dust and have technology of unimaginable level

And of course a horde of green ranging brutes that defy logic itself

[terse flume]

tau and many others eventually work out that orks are still a long term problem. like, the DAOT conceptualisation of them as a pest species is for sure the accurate one

[copper slate]

They breed via spores, IIRC. if that doesn't say 'pest species', I don't know what does.

[terse flume]

they infest rather than control. you can kill all of them, send their fleet away broken or dead, and you'll still be cropping up feral literally forever

you need an army of infinite robots to deal with them lol

[copper slate]

'Scorched earth' is the only response to the Orks.

[terse flume]

more or less the same thing a self replicating and controlling force and unsurprisingly that had some probable problems

I think eventually the uh tau Mongol guy got it down to a science

like, Ork management is about constantly setting them against each other and constantly culling them

[echo vault]

@arctic talon DIRE WOLF IN PLASTIC

Wrong channel sorry

[queen laurel]

Orks constantly shed spores and when they die they release a lot more than just being alive so basically killing them with something that doesn't incinerate plant life basically means that, that problem will stay there for as long as you breathe

This is one of the reasons why they are so f****** annoying to deal with and considered pests

And these said pests can create a chainsaw out of your washing machine

[rose thorn]

Terra orc population; low

[tiny cipher]

BUT NOT FUCKING ZERO

[queen laurel]

After that whole you know beast shenanigans are pretty sure they are keeping watch

[arctic talon]

it is very cute and I love it

Only issue is they're being sold in pairs which isn't legal for most Legios

[echo vault]

I love conversion beamers I love conversion beamers, that just means you get two!

More friends

[arctic talon]

The vulkan mega bolter is finally useful

I can't wait to wipe out 50 something marines

in one turn

[queen laurel]

That thing sounds like it would be a monster in combat and it's not useful?

[echo vault]

I guess they're referring to Titan vs titan

[arctic talon]

it tickles other titans

Its good at disabling shields

but other then that it can't really damage a titan

[echo vault]

That's the shoulder weapons my warmaster has two mega bolters and the plasma

[queen laurel]

So it's actually better to be used as anti infantry weapon

[arctic talon]

yeah

but its the default loadout in titanicus

and I don't wana spend tons of points on a warhound even if its got a big boi gun

but the big strength of the Direwolf is that you have a warlord gun glued onto a warhound lol

[crystal forum]

sounds pretty niche

[arctic talon]

Its pretty strong funnily enough

[crystal forum]

"single big gun on small platform" is a common gaming trope at this point

[arctic talon]

you can one shot a warlord titan

bcs of the neutron laser

and it still is a normal warhound sorta

[crystal forum]

isn't that what shadowswords use

neutron lasers

also imagine we get imperator titans

IMAGINE

GOD MACHINES

there's no way we're not getting them

those were the defining units of epic

[arctic talon]

They use volcano cannons

Neutron lasers are usually an admech/titan thing

[queen laurel]

you are going to have Armageddon scenarios with that one

[celest dome]

@arctic talon just woke up and I remember another thing about Cathay that I dislike.
It doesn't really have a lot of lore about its relations with other factions/race.
They have magic, but didn't learn it from outside, they have gun powder but they invented it on their own iirc,
And their potential LL are all gonna be Dragon Children (Excepted MK)

[crystal forum]

oh wait no i was thinking of the malcador tank destroyer

which uses an extremely rare neutron cannon

see?!? im learning!

i barely knew any 40k tanks 2 months ago lmao

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-CA/Valdor-Tank-Hunter

isn't it kinda funny that the carnodon battle tank, which is one of the only tanks specifically called "imperialis militia", doesn't get included in the militia extended rule sheet

i guess the model is too new for the kitbashers

[green loom]

I have been thinking about my chapter in recent times

I'm wondering if I could make them unusually ashamed/guilty of the red thirst/black rage, to excuse my smaller death company

Could also make it so they're much more nosferatu looking due to how seriously they take abstinence

[crystal forum]

what if they're so ashamed that nobody even knows they're descendents of sanguinius. like they immediately hide away anybody who shows signs

[green loom]

Idk blood iconography would make that weird, maybe just not widely known?

[crystal forum]

lots of chapters have iconography that looks like it fits other founding chapters

like soul drinkers kinda look like they'd be descendents of sanguinius

because of the chalice

but they're allegedly descendents of dorn

just food for thought

[green loom]

Perhaps, for now I'm just writing it so that it's tightly controlled and relegated to specific rituals

[coarse pumice]

Didn’t Cathay have contact with the high elves? I don’t remember, though there’s never been much and it’s obscure

[celest dome]

Yes, but nothing that changed/influenced the internal development of Cathay.

The Phoenix King i think has a fire sword that is from Csthay originally

[summer rover]

i wouldn't expect anything from the total war game to carry over as canon.

i know people are hoping it will because they want cathay, but aside from maybe some art designs i don't think they got much from GW and GW won't take anything CA made up because legal issues.

[celest dome]

Well we do know that TW Cathay was made from Old World material, same as for Kislev

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/18/grand-cathay-is-mapped-for-the-first-time-in-warhammer-the-old-world/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/14/watch-grand-cathay-come-to-life-in-an-epic-collaboration-for-total-war-warhammer-iii/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/21/read-the-official-background-for-total-war-warhammer-iiis-most-deadly-units/

[storm jungle]

Bruh what

everything in the game is literally canon

GW sat down and made up the lore and gave it to CA for it

[celest dome]

Not everything iirc, like the starting locations and stuff

Still remain a sandbox game

But still, Cathay lore of magic s#ck, this is how it should have been:

• Ghyran/Life: Water->Wood
• Azyr/Heaven: Stone-> Water
• Hysh/Light: Light-> Stone (Hysh also has stone shapers)
• Ghur/Beast: Wood-> Spirit (Shamanism and all)
• Ulgu/Shadow: Darkness-> Light (Cause Ulgu has illusions)
• Shyish: Spirit-> Darkness (Ghur and Hysh actually have more to do with spirits)
• Aqshy/Fire: Fire
• Chamon/Metal-> Metal

As for Yin/Yang

Should have been:
Yang: Aqshy, Azyr, Ghyran and Hysh
Yin: Chamon, Shyish, Ghur and Ulgu

[storm jungle]

Yeah but a majority is pretty much everything GW has provided them

also like what legal issues

GW owns the IP

they literally provided CA with the stuff to use for the game

💀

[green loom]

Yeah iirc devs working with GW have to clear everything

Every word

[storm jungle]

^

Fatshark themselves kinda confirmed this with how they gotta get every cosmetic/weapon stuff they want to add from under GW.

Along with painstakingly asking them any thing they want to borrow from the IP

[celest dome]

GW when WP has a Flail
GW when WP has a Flail&Shield

[storm jungle]

LEL

Never understood that but ive seen companies nitpick even more niche things so i can believe it

[green loom]

Flail(weapon) allowed
To flail(action) not allowed

[celest dome]

Still think that WP should have a few more shared weapons

Even if we take out the no ranged weapons

[terse flume]

it's the same reason you don't licence DC, you licence superman. hell sometimes you don't even get the full superman licence, you licence superman and zod and metropolis or whatever

extra credit did some great videos on the strategy

helps drastically improve the value of your IP to parcel it out like that, and lets you share your licence with a ton of different companies who want to produce stuff

in the video game context it means you can farm out an absolute ton of different companies to make your stuff, give them each a lil chunk of licensing proportinate to their stature/relationship with GW and use that to put out a ton of games at once without necessarily competing with the other games you get. and like with fatshark you reward sucess - if a company puts out some mobile shit whatever that's fine your brand isn't that damaged, if they hit it out the park with a vermintide you let them have access to more of the IP goodies

[storm jungle]

Pretty much ye

its very funny

[crimson kayak]

i just noticed the white scars apparently got curved chainswords

or well, their intercessor Mcfarlane model does

dunno how "canon" it may be

[wooden ridge]

I want a first-born from joy toy but there is none

[crimson kayak]

you sure?

oh yea

[storm jungle]

my guy got hit with corpo marketing

[crimson kayak]

oh no they did have them

[storm jungle]

Its in their upgrade kit

they are mockup sabers

[wooden ridge]

Is this a custom figure?

[crimson kayak]

I think they are just old

[wooden ridge]

I'll be really sad If I find out I missed it

[storm jungle]

You probably did

GW loves phasing these out 💀

[queen laurel]

i would love to have the ork figures especially this one but they are quite expensive

[green loom]

That's a primaris body lol

It's all Tacticus

But the knee rims are shaved off

[crimson kayak]

Yeah checked, it's a primaris with custom bits

You can find a bunch of them on etsy

[wooden ridge]

Well..

[green loom]

I am extremely sad for knowing this

[storm jungle]

yeah thats primaris too

you can tell from the boots

🦶

[green loom]

inhales

[queen laurel]

but right the most posable are still the bandai space marines

[wooden ridge]

Yeah, I know..

I just find it funny that someone really made a business of selling MK7 helmets

[storm jungle]

I mean

nerds will pay anything

its a good way to exploit them

[green loom]

The backpacks have sidebits that go down and an extra plate on the exhausts
The gauntlets either have techy bits or an extra plate on them
The chest has an Errant style gorget
And there's also a raised bit on the chest that the aquila is on
The bottom part of the chestpiece is a pronounced half circle and it almost always has one or two extra plates between it and the belt

[storm jungle]

Yeah but

boots

[green loom]

The boots have a join at the ankle and are much more round than old marines

Also the leggings have an lowered bit behind the frontal armor

I hate myself

I've drawn these guys too many times

[storm jungle]

its alright dude 💀

[green loom]

The armor between 4 and 8 get confusing

I also find it funny that

When you ask someone to describe what a marine is wearing

You can specifiy every single bit

But you do so for like, 5 different guard regiments
And you can just say "Oh they're wearing flak armour"

[crimson kayak]

i mean, when each regiment uses whatever the fuck they want instead of standardized armour that's kind of what happens

[celest dome]

Plate offer the same protection than Flak

[crimson kayak]

yeah but then you have stuff like the vitrian dragoons with their glass-camouflage armour thing

[wooden ridge]

I believe some regiments don't have any armor at all 👀

[storm jungle]

[echo vault]

Lovely emote

[crimson kayak]

i mean, literaly penal legions

[green loom]

[celest dome]

Quite a few, Catachan, Longknives, Woad Warriors...

[pine wedge]

did dan abnett come up with that for gaunt's ghosts or did the vitrians have established lore by that point?

[crimson kayak]

90% of vitrian stuff is from First and Only*

aka before they even got their looks estabilished

as that came with the sabbat worlds background book

wich now that i think of it it's always Abnett

so yeah it's all abnett

[pine wedge]

ok

thanks!

[storm jungle]

Damn every knight on the GW store is out of stock

what consumerism madness is this

wait nevermind some just got restocked

[crimson kayak]

definetly due to age of darkness

also i have yet to understand the difference between the age of darkness and normal ones

[shadow plover]

Different decals iirc

[crimson kayak]

Btw outside of the old daemon prince models, do we have any canon art/image of chaos marines turned into daemon princes?

cause i was gonna start doing some art for the Fallen daemon prince Marbas but couldn't find much except the old DoW1 style daemon prince

[storm jungle]

hmm

[crimson kayak]

im not even gonna ask about calibanite lion art cause im sure that doesn't exist anywhere

[crimson kayak]

so i'll just have to make it up when it will come to make the head

[storm jungle]

Also this oldie

[green loom]

From BFG2

Looks mostly like it's just big evil daemon customized to your liking + chaos marine bits

[crimson kayak]

yeah, as i thought

I'll just have to transplant 30k dark angels parts into generic big daemon with alien lion head

[storm jungle]

Yeah "realistically" speaking every daemon prince is unique

[shadow plover]

Not much marine doodads left on most arts

[crimson kayak]

yep, i noticed they moved a bit away from being "Possessed, but bigger"

[crimson kayak]

see?

[shadow plover]

Glad the possessed got a face lift as well

[echo vault]

HASHUT FOR 40K

[green loom]

HASHUT HASHUT HASHUT!
HASHUT HASHUT HASHUT!

[crimson kayak]

well fuck me but i managed to find a single image showing a calibanite lion

[sleek wigeon]

Catachans and Longknives have diamond hard abs and plasteel balls though
debatably better than armor

[celest dome]

The fact remain that they do not have armour

[crystal forum]

makes sense when you consider how useless flak armour is

[crystal forum]

how big are catachanians canonically

[shadow plover]

arnold sized

[crystal forum]

bodybuilder era sized arnold?

[shadow plover]

actor era more likely

bodybuilder look isn't really natural nor useful

think conan the barbarian

[crystal forum]

yeah plus it's mostly steroid muscle which i don't think catachans use

[shadow plover]

or not even conan when Commando is a thing, that's like 1 to 1 cathacan

[celest dome]

Yes for some

[storm jungle]

6'-6'6 and 290-350 lbs of muscle and bone

[near wasp]

Biult like a range rover

[crystal forum]

i thought they were abnormally tall

[storm jungle]

No lmao

they are usually just regular people sized

catachan doesnt effect their height

[crystal forum]

yeah but selective evolution and all that

[celest dome]

There is a Catachan soldier art which is literally Ripley

[storm jungle]

i mean its not really evolution

[crystal forum]

idk what the word is

[storm jungle]

they just have a rough upbringing and life since literally everything wants to kill them

[crystal forum]

the one where the fittest survive

[storm jungle]

its less fit and more just being careful

survivality usually has nothing to with strenght

its something 40k kinda gets wrong a lot

same reason how Marines recruiting from feral and barbaric worlds is suppose to be ironic and pointless

[crystal forum]

oh but i mean that catachan women might choose buffer taller men

idk

[near wasp]

In a survival situation, having excess strength can actually be bad, since you burn more calories

[crystal forum]

im nowhere near being a biologist

[storm jungle]

Also yeah catachan women are tough

but they uhhhh

kinda suffered from Old 40k Lore

where every army is made of guys

because ew women

💀

Even the codex just refers to most guard armies as "men"

[crystal forum]

women in my tabletop game???

[storm jungle]

I KNOW RIGHT