40k-lore-chat

[fresh quiver]

Thats more racist than the other one

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

Okay I’m done

Unless y’all want more

[crisp heath]

Isn't arch British

[green loom]

Norwegian

[arctic talon]

Yes

[fresh quiver]

Yes I think

[astral whale]

Norwegian I believe

[viral halo]

Average European convo tbh

[arctic talon]

He lived in Britain at one point

Iirc

[fresh quiver]

Lol

[fresh quiver]

Lol

[crisp heath]

Norwegian makes more sense

[arctic talon]

But he’s Norwegian yeah

[green loom]

iirc collabs with a Norwegian neo nazi

[crisp heath]

I was wondering why any British person would have an opinion on the Sami in either direction

[viral halo]

which one, varg?

[fresh quiver]

He's just making Jokes that were fairly routine until like 6 years ago

[green loom]

Some guy called golden god

9r something

[fresh quiver]

I have heard worse on Comedy Central roasts

[crisp heath]

I was about to say there's no way arch and varg know each other

[viral halo]

insane crossover

lmfao

[crisp heath]

Varg is on an entirely different level of absolute unhinged idiocy

[viral halo]

Didn't Varg actually kill someone

[crisp heath]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Also he supports fascism which is funny

[viral halo]

and serve time

[arctic talon]

[fresh quiver]

The USA literally has fasces in the Senate house

[viral halo]

average LGS convo between guard players

[crisp heath]

Varg is primarily famous for killing a guy and burning churches, the music is literally just trivia

[astral whale]

Bruh those were there before the fascists took power.

[fresh quiver]

USA is prettttty fascist. As fascist as the Roman Republic was, anyways

[arctic talon]

Yeah and I don’t like them either lol

[crystal forum]

arch's vraks series is still something i go back to sometimes. he's a moron though

[arctic talon]

Tbh it’s

[fresh quiver]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Way longer then the actual books

[viral halo]

Gotta be bait

[arctic talon]

Which are like

[viral halo]

[arctic talon]

Just pages in imperial armor

[crystal forum]

yeah and i like the effort he put into. got lots of cool visuals and stuff

[fresh quiver]

I mean no, America is the Roman Republic

[green loom]

Blurbs in imperial armour

Which are just "krieg dies painfully for decades dark angels save the day"

[arctic talon]

Fair

[crisp heath]

Holy hell "America is third rome" poster

[celest dome]

Was the Roman Empire Fascist ?
Like Fascist love the Roman Empire, but I don't think it follow the fascist ways

[arctic talon]

Mussolini in shambles

[fresh quiver]

I mean yes

Italians couldnt even vote

Until Caesar's lifetime

Yet they had hegemony over most of the mediterranean

Only actual Romans had much if any say outside of force of arms

[crisp heath]

Honestly depends on how you define fascism, but most people would say no since the Roman republic predates capitalism which is a founding prerequisite for fascism, which exploits corporate power

[fresh quiver]

Rome had corporations

Rome even had fast food.

[rose thorn]

[fresh quiver]

I think you seriously lack in knowledge on the Roman Republic.

[rose thorn]

Ultramcdonalds

[viral halo]

Can't wait for this convo to take a turn

[fresh quiver]

Our great seal is Roman

Everything about America is Roman

[celest dome]

I feel like it already did

[crisp heath]

My guy I am not going to argue about Rome with someone who thinks America is the third rome

[summer rover]

oh cool, 40k players arguing over roman politics, i'm sure this won't be a shitshow!

[crystal forum]

you want some ultrafries with that mcrag burger

[rose thorn]

It comes with a new word crusher action figure.

[viral halo]

Surely this won't devolve into teenagers yelling based and cringe

[fresh quiver]

Why?

Where does NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM come from?

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rose thorn]

It’s a toy of lorgar getting smashed by a ultra marine lieutenant

[astral whale]

Let’s be honest though.
I’ve said this before and I will say this again. Fascists have never had any original or even good ideas, just ones they’ve appropriated. Even all of their symbols are appropriated.

Saying a symbol looks fascist is like saying “Your symbol bad because bad people stole it”

[fresh quiver]

It comes from Virgil's Eclogue

[arctic talon]

🍿

[fresh quiver]

No it doesnt look fascist

It's where the word Fascist comes from

[rose thorn]

Frfr

[viral halo]

Fasces is the word where fascist comes from

[fresh quiver]

Totally not Rome btw

[crisp heath]

Let's talk about issues that really matter, like how good the big green ones shoot

[arctic talon]

Not very good

[celest dome]

Most current Fascist ideas were inspired by Mussolini, who wante to reform Rome
Doesn't really make Rome into a Fascist state

[arctic talon]

But they shoot a lot

[astral whale]

Nono, I’m referring to Witchfinder, they keep insisting Imperial stuff looks “Fascist.”

[green loom]

Guard BS is SO AWFUL

[crisp heath]

But they do it lots which eventually makes it good

[crystal forum]

1800's architects simping for greek architecture is pretty common

[arctic talon]

4+ is fine

[fresh quiver]

Oh look the Roman Fasces on a Mercury (roman god of commerce) dime

[celest dome]

Just like France, England and a load of country before the USA

[fresh quiver]

Polybius is considered a founding father

[arctic talon]

4+ is perfectly average for shooting

And there’s ways to make it better anyways

Especially as guard lol

[fresh quiver]

None of which are founded on a city of 7 hills witj the exact same governmental style

[green loom]

Usually for 2 damage though

[fresh quiver]

Even the founding is the same

[arctic talon]

That’s literally fine

[green loom]

I might just sucks though

[crisp heath]

Tbf a lot of imperial stuff is supposed to look fascist because they're space fascists

[viral halo]

Man's been watching a lotta national treasure

[fresh quiver]

Are you seriously arguing the Republic of the USA is NOT roman?

[celest dome]

Ok, there's no brain cell left there

[fresh quiver]

Because why?

[arctic talon]

Imperium is supposed to look facist yeah

[celest dome]

This is just American Exceptionalism

[crisp heath]

Let's end this conversation because everyone knows God punished Rome by turning them into Italians

[fresh quiver]

Who is enshrined in the Capitol Dome?

[arctic talon]

Lol

[viral halo]

lmfao

[fresh quiver]

Next to Washington ?

[viral halo]

Master Chief and the arbiter

[celest dome]

Could have been worse
Could have been turned french

[fresh quiver]

Libertas aka Lady Liberty is a Roman Goddess

[arctic talon]

Bretonia

[fresh quiver]

And Bellona is right next to washing ton too

[arctic talon]

[astral whale]

Tbh Mussolini was a disgruntled socialist. WWI happened (his canon event) then he got ambitions to be worse. /j

[celest dome]

You mean the French statue ?

[fresh quiver]

Tell me you havent gone to the Capitol without telling me...

[viral halo]

could have been worse
could have been turned dutch

[arctic talon]

Tbh he stopped being anti war during WW1

Which led to him becoming facist

[fresh quiver]

No I mean the giant Roman Mural on the Capitol Done

Dome

[astral whale]

His canon event.

[fresh quiver]

Or numerous other monuments

[celest dome]

Could have been even worse
Could have been both

[fresh quiver]

Libertas is everywhere

[arctic talon]

Bcs he thought ww1 had the ideal environment to overthrow monarchies and cause a socialist revolution

[fresh quiver]

On the Silver Eagle

[viral halo]

by god you're right

[fresh quiver]

On the Gold Eagle

[arctic talon]

Except all the socialists in Italy

Were anti war

So he got kicked out

[viral halo]

italy more like shittaly amirite

[arctic talon]

[green loom]

Everyone knows the true third Rome is Albania 🇦🇱 🇦🇱

[celest dome]

I am both
And German too

[fresh quiver]

Classic changing the topic

[viral halo]

I'm American

[fresh quiver]

When you have no argument.

Anyways read Sallust's Epistles to Caesar

[crisp heath]

My guy we talk about plastic army men and video games here

[green loom]

Reading? No thanks that's for nerds

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crystal forum]

happy birthday tomorrow

[fresh quiver]

Well the Imperium is Rome too

[arctic talon]

Um akshully 🤓

[astral whale]

Funny tho. He actually stopped being anti war for a good reason tho, believing that the war would bring about the social conditions necessary to bring about socialist reform.

[crisp heath]

everything is rome

[arctic talon]

Yeah I mentioned that

[fresh quiver]

More or less

[arctic talon]

It’s pretty funny

[celest dome]

Happy no finger day

[fresh quiver]

The preminent power in World history has always been Rome

[crisp heath]

Are you possessed?

[fresh quiver]

No, I am a Priest.

[celest dome]

A servant of the Lord Jesus Christ
Oh, frick, it's that type of American

[astral whale]

That’d be the The Catholic Church.

[crisp heath]

No he's roman

[fresh quiver]

Which isssss

[fresh quiver]

Who do you think the Grapes of wrath are?

Rhymes with Omen

[celest dome]

He is less Roman than I am
And I'm a bloody barbarian

[green loom]

This guy was a priest

[astral whale]

Literally, at one point the church had the power to kill a king by telling him to kneel outside in the cold for 56 hours.

[fresh quiver]

No

I am descended from Cunedda

I am very Roman

My family helped found this country

We were of the Non-deist party.

[celest dome]

We're hitting level of American stereotypes I've never seen before

[viral halo]

Did you get kicked or did you leave the warhammer server

[crystal forum]

italian food is pretty good

[green loom]

There's a Warhammer server?

[crisp heath]

OK let's pivot this back into, at the very least, fun fictional media because this was funny at first but now it's just sad

[fresh quiver]

Sad?

[viral halo]

yea

[crisp heath]

Yall seen "The Pope's Exorcist"?

It's a riot of a bad horror movie

[fresh quiver]

Why is having respect for my house sad?

[green loom]

Fat Russel Crowe is so weird to me

[celest dome]

With Crow ?

[fresh quiver]

That's incredibly rude

[stark cargo]

200 posts in 15 minutes. Did something happen?

[fresh quiver]

Are you a bully in real life or just behind a keyboard?

[crisp heath]

Oh my God was that Russell crowe?

[green loom]

Yes

[celest dome]

Cause you're a bastard son, your house doesn't recognise you

[crisp heath]

It just clicked in my brain oh my god

[fresh quiver]

Bastard Son?

You do not know me or my house

[arctic talon]

There’s a 40K one and a general one

[celest dome]

Left the old continent, left their roots

[viral halo]

people are arguing with themselves in text chat and everyone else has their popcorn

[green loom]

There's a Warhammer server?!

[arctic talon]

Do you want a link lol

[green loom]

No

[arctic talon]

Lol

Fair

[crisp heath]

I'm sure there's lots of warhammer servers

[fresh quiver]

What

We didnt leave behind anything

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-beverage-sparklesip-the-drink-swag-meal-the-meal-gif-25421049

[fresh quiver]

My cousin is still ruling from a Castle

[crisp heath]

Is it a "warhammer server" (gross) or a warhammer server (fun)

[arctic talon]

Fun

[viral halo]

it's the subreddit one

[astral whale]

Good question.
If Christianity existed in 40k, then what are the chances a ministorum priest ends his prayers with “Ramen”.

Are there Pastafarian cults?

[fresh quiver]

It doesnt

[arctic talon]

There’s the 40K one and the main subreddit one

[crystal forum]

i wish i had a castle

[fresh quiver]

The whole point of Warhammer is as earth without Christ

[viral halo]

ya

[arctic talon]

Both are fine tbh

[green loom]

It's called Catherism and it slowly died out after the heresy iirc?

[crisp heath]

Ole Persson is catholic lmao

[fresh quiver]

You sure?

[arctic talon]

Emperor hates religion is the answer

[fresh quiver]

Must be Nero

[celest dome]

When it's not useful to himself

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Lol

[crisp heath]

Yes, Ole Persson is catholic, but it's called "catheric" to allow some creative liberties. Wears a cross and everything.

[viral halo]

Ignace Karkasy also references old abrahamic religions in describing demons as satan

[celest dome]

Inquisitor Sherlock Clousseau... is Hindu iirc, has the symbol or something

[green loom]

Iirc it's a plot point that guilliman allows it's practice for popularity in Secundus?

[crisp heath]

What makes it really funny to me is he was an argonaut. The guy is a literally Greek mythological figure and he was like "well, guess I don't have anything better to do than get baptized"

[crystal forum]

is this a real name

[astral whale]

Not really. It’s without all major world religions as well.

[crisp heath]

Yes, the first Canon inquisitor

[celest dome]

The name is even better, I'll go and search it back

[fresh quiver]

Yeah those don't matter though

Except as cultural artifacts

[stark cargo]

Didn't the Emperor stomp it out before the Great Crusade?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSEVCs8o0H8

[crisp heath]

Full name High Inquistor Sherlock Obi-Wan Closseau

[green loom]

He wanted to iirc

[celest dome]

Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Clouseau

[green loom]

Same as with the early imperial daith

[crystal forum]

STOP LYING

[green loom]

It was galaxy wide so it probably didn't work

[astral whale]

You’re telling me that all of the three monotheistic religions believing in supposedly the same god wouldn’t create a warp entity?

[crisp heath]

No this is really the first named inquisitor

[fresh quiver]

Only 2 of them believe in the same God for one

[astral whale]

The Abrahamic faiths?

[celest dome]

Well lower Warp entities aren't really rare

[fresh quiver]

And secondly one of them is using dated information

[crisp heath]

No stop now he's going to have opinions on Islam stop engaging

[fresh quiver]

Yeah I do not approve of the Aisha hadiths

As a father to a 12 year old

[viral halo]

THERE IT IS

[fresh quiver]

Pretty abhorrent stuff

[celest dome]

I didn't realise there was a expiration date on Divine information

[fresh quiver]

Yeah when the Calendar was decided

[crisp heath]

Cain and Abel are Canon to 40k tho so there is some Abrahamic stuff going on in the background

[fresh quiver]

I like the Graffiti on the Hieroglyphs to Horus in the pyramids

[astral whale]

It’s still 3. Just because they call him different things doesn’t mean that they don’t believe that they’re the same entity?

Until there is indisputable proof of god imma continue to work under the pretense that they’re worshipping the same deity.

When there is undeniable proof of god, I will convert. Until then there is faith and faith alone.

[fresh quiver]

No

Sorry

You can call something a spade and it not be a spade

I can go around and say Jesus was a buddhist all day but it does not make it true.

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

What in the actual fuck

I look away for ONE HOUR

[celest dome]

Very fun Boss

[crisp heath]

Moderators don't get to sleep

[fresh quiver]

What?

[viral halo]

welcome to the weekly warhammer fascism/religion debate

[crystal forum]

i just wanted to talk about soul drinkers

[celest dome]

We ain't responsible

[viral halo]

are those books any good

[fresh quiver]

Just some friendly religious Warhammer banter

[crystal forum]

YES

[fresh quiver]

They are cray

[viral halo]

oh he not tryna get muted/kicked from ANOTHER server

[fresh quiver]

Absolutely crazy renagades

[burnt plover]

another?

[fresh quiver]

1984!

[celest dome]

Another server ?

[arctic talon]

[celest dome]

Lol, cope and seethe

[storm jungle]

[fresh quiver]

Oh no! I forgot Free Speech is dead

[fresh quiver]

Seeth?

No

[arctic talon]

Freedom of speech is only governmental in the US

[crisp heath]

I just want to play with army men 😭

[fresh quiver]

Well I have my own government so

[storm jungle]

Yeah uh, there free speech then there’s whatever you do.

Stop.

[crystal forum]

khorne and tzeentch

[arctic talon]

TTS

Kek

[fresh quiver]

Having a discussion on literally anything?

[celest dome]

Best pair of Chaos God

[burnt plover]

my guy, free speech does not mean freedom of consequences
conversely, free speech does not mean you get to say whatever you want in a Discord with its own rules

[celest dome]

Not the place for it

[fresh quiver]

What did I say ?

[crisp heath]

Nurgle is the best chaos god because he's cute. This has been a reminder.

[storm jungle]

Politics and religious nonsense. This is the lore channel.

[fresh quiver]

I guess only I am to blame

Right?

[storm jungle]

…you are LMAO

[fresh quiver]

Dont reprimand anybody else

How?

Others voiced their opinions

Others even called me a bastard

[astral whale]

Tbf I asked a silly question on what happens to the Pastafarians in 40k and if there are any Ministorum priests that end prayers with “Ramen”

[celest dome]

I think we all could calm down, I will admit we did somewhat play with it

[fresh quiver]

Honorable conduct

[celest dome]

It had already been going on before

[astral whale]

I still haven’t gotten an answer.

[celest dome]

Don't see why they wouldn't

[storm jungle]

Anyway yeah, no religion or politics please. Just talk about lore

[arctic talon]

Gun

Jimmy las

[fresh quiver]

We were doing that as well

[crystal forum]

do salamanders get high

[crisp heath]

I'm sure someone believes the emperor is italian which is a kind of pastafarianism

[arctic talon]

Creater of the lasgun

[storm jungle]

And please dont get into genocide debates 💀

[arctic talon]

As far as we know no

[celest dome]

Though i would homebrew that they don't know what Pastas are, just follow the cult

[fresh quiver]

Specifically what happened to religion in 40k

[astral whale]

I want the deep lore on whether there is a “Cult of the Giant Spagetti Emperor” or not.

[arctic talon]

The space wolves def get drunk

[fresh quiver]

Why? Genocide is very common in the Lore

[arctic talon]

Blood angels get sorta high off of blood

[crisp heath]

Cult of the noodle-armed emperor

[arctic talon]

The genocide is okay discussion

[fresh quiver]

Sounds Khorny

[crystal forum]

how else would you explain their love of humans

[fresh quiver]

That's simplifying matters but, I will allow it.

[celest dome]

A god with lots of tentacles...
I think we know which I'm thinking off

[arctic talon]

Psycho indoctrination didn’t work

[arctic talon]

Tzeentch?

[plucky moth]

Holy shit have y’all noticed the emperor is a corpse

[arctic talon]

Yes

Dry aged

[astral whale]

Oh that would Definitley be a Tzeentch cult in secret.

[arctic talon]

💀

[crisp heath]

You call that a God? That's a dead guy in a fancy chair!

[crystal forum]

"i love da umans!"

"hit him with another 10000 volts brother silthas"

[arctic talon]

Lol pretty much

The quote about marines mostly being brainwashed barbarian children

Is true and very funny

[green loom]

Ayo where's the compound butter

[crystal forum]

prime wagyu emperor meat

[fresh quiver]

Is he?

[arctic talon]

You try milking a grox

[fresh quiver]

Not what the Illuminati think

[crisp heath]

Space Marine life takes place in huge structures and ships and is highly organized, so you know that neophytes get little brochures with their map and schedules like they just got into college

[rose thorn]

[fresh quiver]

The Ultramarines at least

[crystal forum]

or finding your way around without dying is part of the initiation

[fresh quiver]

Something tells me the Dark Angels initiates have it a bit different

[green loom]

More controlled probably

[fresh quiver]

Something of a riddle

[green loom]

They get strung along until the weird little ghost man picks one out

[crisp heath]

I like to imagine Blood Angels just finding some weirdly muscular kid hunched over in a corner after some kind of violent and traumatic experience and just being like "how well do you paint?"

[fresh quiver]

Sons of Kh--- Sangiunius

[green loom]

They actually throw them all into a small arena after a painful trek across rad blasted deserts to kill eachother

[fresh quiver]

If only Konrad had not died when he did...

[crisp heath]

But don't actually kill each other! That'd be mean!

[fresh quiver]

Sounds Khorny

[celest dome]

And don't they pick only the one who don't actually kill the other ?
While the Flesh Eater have them kill the other ?

[green loom]

The Horus test or something stupid

[fresh quiver]

Sad

Hopefully Baal gets nuked and they can move on

[astral whale]

We haven’t seen a body. Ergo maybe still alive?

[crisp heath]

Already been done, twice

[fresh quiver]

Doubtful but hopefully

[crisp heath]

Curze was the best primarch and I'm glad he's dead

[arctic talon]

We know he’s dead bcs of the recording tbf

[fresh quiver]

After all, he knew the truth

[green loom]

Baal got nuked recently, they're making it actually habitable now iirc?

[arctic talon]

He got his head chopped off

[arctic talon]

It’s gona be a while lol

[fresh quiver]

Oh no

[arctic talon]

It’s in nihlus

Kek

[green loom]

Oh well yeah the entire population died in the Nid invasion

[fresh quiver]

So it seems like Imperium Secundus never went away

[astral whale]

I kinda wish the Assassin didn’t do it just to spite him. Like “No, fuck you, bitch. You want to die, do it yourself.”

[green loom]

100 years minimum

[crystal forum]

what happened to corax

[crisp heath]

In Soviet Baal, water drinks you

[green loom]

Super scary shadow demon hunting lorgar

[fresh quiver]

He is hunting

He's not a shadow demon

He can make illusions

[rose thorn]

He’s a raven monster lmao

[green loom]

He's funny warp stuff thing that can shape change and do weird stuff

[crisp heath]

Corax more or less described himself as a daemon, or at least a being of the warp

[astral whale]

I hate the lore because of that.
Like. They aren’t doing anything to advance the plot. They cannot kill off Daemon Lorgar or Corax so it’s just going to sit forever.

[fresh quiver]

He's not actually though

[crystal forum]

so is corax effectively dead or am i missing something

[green loom]

No

[fresh quiver]

HeMs not a demon either

[astral whale]

Kinda.

[green loom]

He fucked off after the scouring/heresy

[crisp heath]

No, he's bullying Lorgar

[astral whale]

I mean Russ is likely dead. Same with Khan.

[fresh quiver]

He's hunting in the Warp

[green loom]

Got more in tune with the warp stuff inside him

[fresh quiver]

Neither are dead

[green loom]

So he got some freaky new stuff

[fresh quiver]

Khan is... I wont say

[crystal forum]

Russ is a poster boy though

[fresh quiver]

And Russ is preparing

[green loom]

I hope they're dead

[astral whale]

Russ is supposedly headed into the garden of Nurgle. Didn’t Gulliman do the same thing?

[fresh quiver]

They arent

[crisp heath]

Khan somewhere in the webway, bullying eldar

[green loom]

I know, but they should be

[fresh quiver]

Something like that

[arctic talon]

He seeks the cure to all disease yeah

[astral whale]

No way Khan and a handful of warriors can outrun Eldar for long.

[arctic talon]

And he at one point prolly heard about the Isha thing

From an eldar

[fresh quiver]

He's going to Comorragh

[green loom]

Iirc one DE book describes a white armoured giant fighting in the arenas

[arctic talon]

TLDR Russ is consorting with the xenos

[astral whale]

He’s probably dead. If Nurgle can make a disease strong enough to kill Mortarion then yeah. No shot.

[crisp heath]

Russ finds Isha, every primarch gets an eldar gf

[crystal forum]

custodes are right, we can't trust these fuckers

[fresh quiver]

Constantin is

[astral whale]

I kinda want Russ to see Isha, not believe her at all, but take her along anyways in true Danish saga fashion.

[fresh quiver]

But the Primarchs are Custodes essentially

[green loom]

Not really

[astral whale]

Nope. Primarchs are one step above Custodes.

[fresh quiver]

Of a sort

[green loom]

Well they're both genetic freaks

[crisp heath]

I want Russ to find Isha and immediately throw her into a warp current because she's a psyker. It's just what my character would do.

[green loom]

But Primarchs are grown and have to do with warp stuff and the shenanigans combined with that
Custodes are just very careful tailored megahumans

[crystal forum]

were primarchs made from the emperor's genes

[fresh quiver]

Well considering reincarnation is a suppressed truth

technically anybody could or can come back

Although it's not a guarantee. As the damned stay dead.

[fresh quiver]

Yes

[crimson kayak]

Them and gk are the only beings with the emperor's genecode or atleast part of it

[crisp heath]

Eh I'm sure abnett is going to write the Sensei back into lore eventually since he seems to really like that whole area of old lore

[astral whale]

That’s why I hate the Primaris rework.

It used to be as simple as Human -> Astartes -> Custodes -> Primarch -> Emperor.

Then they had to make things weird by adding another step. I get it. Tabletop models needed a rework, but I really hate all of the things that did to the lore. Like astartes chapters now make 0 sense.

[green loom]

??

[astral whale]

They’ve pretty much gotten rid of the scout company.

[green loom]

Primaries are just astartes

[celest dome]

SM have some genecode from the Primarch, so by extension they should also have some small one from the Emp

[crimson kayak]

They didn't

[green loom]

And scouts are still a thing

[crisp heath]

Like I consider the sensei to still be technically Canon because of Abnett

[crimson kayak]

Scouts are alongside vanguard marines

Not in the models yet

[astral whale]

Every scout company is required to have a standing force of 100 vanguards.

[celest dome]

They never really were retconned iirc

[green loom]

Yeah and

[astral whale]

That doesn’t leave a lot of room for scouts.

[green loom]

Yes it does

[crimson kayak]

It's added to the scout company

Not replaced

[green loom]

Scouts aren't battle brothers

[astral whale]

Isn’t the chapter limit still 1000?

[crisp heath]

They were just disappeared by the inquisition yeah but they aren't "active" in the setting because of that

[crimson kayak]

It's 1100 marines now

[fresh quiver]

Lol

laughs in Codex Astartes

[astral whale]

Why not just expand it to 2000 or 2500?

[green loom]

Chapter limit is rarely reached, scouts are counted separate

[crisp heath]

Scouts also don't count towards to the 1000

[green loom]

It's a logistical issue

[fresh quiver]

The point of the Codex is to prevent Tyranny

[crisp heath]

Some chapters tack on extra scout companies as a bit of a legal loophole

[fresh quiver]

However Roboute severely underestimated the capabilities of Human bureaucracy and propensity for indolence.

[fresh quiver]

The Chapters are more or less even more easily manipulated ALA the Lodges by this point

[astral whale]

Idk. I dislike that vehicle crews don’t count towards the number when you can easily just remove them from the vehicle. They’re still astartes.

[crimson kayak]

Also the codex is gonna be replaced anyway by guilliman so there's not really a point rn

[fresh quiver]

Thank God

[green loom]

It was to prevent treason en masse

[fresh quiver]

Yes that is what I meant by Tyranny

[crisp heath]

I feel like people are so distracted by primarchs that they overlook the fact that most of the first founding chapters are essentially legion building now anyway

[green loom]

And legal loopholes don't matter, no one cared if you went above 1k so long as you gave no reason for doubt

[astral whale]

I don’t see how considering that they’ve been worshipping the damned thing for close to 1,000 years.

[crimson kayak]

Thing is, it never was meant to be worshipped

[green loom]

An unrelated point is you wouldn't go above 1k

[crimson kayak]

It was like let's say, the art of war

[crisp heath]

Dark Angels, Blood Angels, and Imperial Fists are all functionally at legion strength

[fresh quiver]

Sounds familiar

[green loom]

Between the geneseed tithe and attrition

[crimson kayak]

Ikr

[green loom]

You just wouldn't get to 1k in the first place

[fresh quiver]

I remember that whole Nikaea business too

[astral whale]

I know, but how do you stop them from doing so? And how do you prevent them from going traitor in the name of upkeeping tradition?

[fresh quiver]

Something about Sorcery or something

No idea

[crimson kayak]

Tbf, its being redone by the guy who invented the first

And who most codex loving chapters also adore

[green loom]

nothing new for DA, BA aren't, and iirc the Last Wall isn't active?

BT are functionally a legion but are spread out

Ultramarines are more or less a legion as well now

[crimson kayak]

Also we getting the wardens of the gauntlet melting pot

[crisp heath]

Dante still has command over all the successors, they're different chapters but their chain of command goes back to BA now

[astral whale]

Idk. A lot of things with the Primaris rework don’t make sense to me.

One thing that I wish they would do is make Phobos armor not a suit of power armor but just plate.

[green loom]

Yeah but that's more a loose alliance

[crimson kayak]

The inquisition doesn't think so lol

[green loom]

He's Lord COmmander of everything, it's the same as Koorland

Or was that Koorland

I forget

Beast was stupid

[green loom]

Hey if they can get everyone back to where they were then good for them, the Castellans won't turn down help

[astral whale]

Idk. Maybe it’s me being stupid and nostalgic over the firstborn, but I just dislike how specialized SM have gotten. You’d think being limited to 1,100 marines would mean that they would by necessity resort to versatility.

[green loom]

Thing is in lore they're more or less how they were before

But for marketing they're also sold in mono weapon squads for some reason

[crimson kayak]

Yeah they mostly just got new toys and names

[green loom]

Also again they just won't reach 1.1k lmao

Primaris reinforcements notwithstanding but attrition will grind them down before long

And I cannot stress this enough
Primaris aren't some wacky new boogey man, they're literally just nu marines with 2 extra organs

[crystal forum]

but their helmets suck

[green loom]

They're still the same stupid, bland, generic and favoured roid monkeys you knew and loved with some shiny new toys

[green loom]

Guess what

[crimson kayak]

Everything closer to the mk4 it's a win for me

[crystal forum]

the darth vader cosplay is back on the menu

[astral whale]

Again, that even adds to my point.

Gravis suits (the thing I hate the most out of the rework) have to be the worst designed pieces of junk in the setting.

They don’t fit into transports, they are just a worse version of Terminator armor, and their main gimmick is just being a worse version of a terminator.

[green loom]

Oh yeah that's a marketing thing

[astral whale]

Exactly.

[green loom]

The only gravis model that works for me is the new Apothecary

[crystal forum]

i hate the new grav vehicles. i like the good old treads

[green loom]

I like both

[crystal forum]

it's also annoying to have those dumb baseplates to make the models float

[green loom]

But yeah model restrictions don't apply to lore, in da books your funky intercessor gamer can use Melta all he wants, and isn't locked to bolt rifles

[crimson kayak]

Also Gravis suits were more meant for Inceptors who don't need transports as they directly drop from low orbit

[astral whale]

The apothecary makes sense tho.

I still dislike the stupid “armored hood” thing but I like the bulkier look of the Gravis apothecary.

The Agressor can be retconned for all I care.

[green loom]

It's a good thing for support guys who won't run in

So ig the Gravis devastators are cool enough

But the "Heavy Intercessors" are just moronic

Also some of the captains are fineish

[astral whale]

You mean the same guys who use two heavy bolters but not the same heavy bolters as the Devastators?

[crimson kayak]

Yes

Or the double plasma guns

[astral whale]

I find that just a little ridiculous. Why not give Assault marines that same weapon?

[crimson kayak]

Because they were meant to be the new assault marines lol

[green loom]

We'll get the jump packs we see in SM2 in.....

[astral whale]

Idk.

[green loom]

Maybe 3 years

[crimson kayak]

Same as how intercessors were supposed to be the new tactical

[green loom]

Like

[crystal forum]

i was expecting GW to stop selling firstborn for 10th

[green loom]

Primaries jump packs are 100% a thing

Shryke has it, Dante has it

[crimson kayak]

Ye

[astral whale]

I’m too poor to get into the tabletop hobby (I do ttsim) but if I did I’d probably just make my own squads to my own preference.

[green loom]

They're just milking it slowly because the marine fandom has more whales than our oceans

[crimson kayak]

They just didn't think it enough when first releasing them

Simple as

[green loom]

Literally doable because they removed the primaris keyword iirc?

[crisp heath]

Oh it's not warhammer but I have big tabletop news

There's an officially licensed Adventure Time ttrpg coming out!

[green loom]

Based?

[crisp heath]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cze/adventure-time-the-roleplaying-game

[crystal forum]

a licensed kickstarter?

[crisp heath]

It's not that uncommon these days, unfortunately

Especially with older properties like Adventure Time

[crimson kayak]

hey we'll give you the license good luck for the money!

[crisp heath]

Homestuck famously had one, but that was a bit back in the day and even though it was official still turned out to be a scam, which brought us the "THREE MILLION DOLLARS, JADE?" meme

[crystal forum]

isn't it fucked that scummy mobile games get more licenses than anybody else

[crisp heath]

God now I'm remembering the Homestuck kickstarter. Wild times.

The missing 3 million, the canon sexual content and the debate over whether it was legal, Bladekindeyewear spiralling off into a severe mental break. Good times.

The pink blood

[astral whale]

I’d probably just make squads using weapons that already existed but in new combinations. Same rules, just proxy it.
That’s how the rework should’ve been: same tech, new tactics.

[crystal forum]

but then GW wouldn't be able to get whales to buy the new stuff

[storm jungle]

Its simply because some people actually just play a lot of those kinds of games

the term "mindless consumer" exists for a reason 💀

[crystal forum]

the mobile gaming market is now half straight up gambling lol

[astral whale]

GW needs to learn a very simple lesson: “Give the people what they want.”

If they stopped treating this IP like it’s cheap mobile game material and actually opened it up, they’d probably be far more successful.

[crystal forum]

GW needs to learn many lessons

[stark cargo]

Also they can be be produced cheaply. With a big brand, that's probably like printing money

[storm jungle]

That

also the 2nd relaity is

[astral whale]

There’s a clear difference between what the people “want” and what they want.

It’s why Jorts, spray on hair, mullets, ddt, microplastics, etc exist.

[storm jungle]

Boardmembers are always out of touch adults/old people

they want to see their underlings make the chart arrow go up

they dont really like... get what we want

the entire reason Space Marine 2 exists for example

is because a studio approached GW for it

lol

[astral whale]

The people want that tho.
We wanted it like half a decade ago XD

[astral whale]

True. Probably same reason we’re getting Dial of Destiny.

That franchise should’ve died with Crystal Skull

[crisp heath]

It's still insane to me that God melted a guys face in Raiders of the Lost Ark

It's a weird franchise

[storm jungle]

To be fair

[stark cargo]

But aren't the people with money also old people? I don't think it's an accident we are seeing stuff like a He-Man revival, of all things. 😬

[storm jungle]

Raiders was made by Spielberg as a jewish revenge story

he said so himself

[crystal forum]

i'm mostly surprised that harrison ford can still be in movies

[storm jungle]

which is cool in my book

lmao

[storm jungle]

Hes like Bill Murray

deader than a poxwalker

but when money comes he whiffs and reanimates thanks to Grandfather Hollywood's blessings

[astral whale]

Tbh Harrison should be doing what Stan Lee did. Cameo.

Tbh tho. We need Hollywood to stop making live action remakes and to do Lego remakes. Shit would probably be less controversial and would be wildly popular.

[green loom]

I only liked him in the newer blade runner

[astral whale]

Blade runner was weird.

It is one of the movies ever created.

[crystal forum]

yeah he was good in that

[astral whale]

Idk I enjoyed it but I felt like it was taking symbology way too hard. Like the movie was beating me with a sledgehammer with all of it.

[green loom]

Mark Hamill is the cool one of the original cast

[crystal forum]

the movie is also so damn long

[green loom]

Decent as Luke, godlike as the Joker

[crystal forum]

mark hamill looks so different than he did as luke

i would never have guessed it was him

[astral whale]

There will never be a better Joker.

[green loom]

He got bigger

[crystal forum]

older and fatter

[green loom]

More based

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7z7J4cJmMsM

[astral whale]

They should’ve made a Greek Epic hero joke.

[crystal forum]

it's funny to me because young hamill looks like one of those actors who looks good but isn't very smart

if i was going by looks alone

[astral whale]

Idk it’s sad to see so many sci fi franchises dying.

[green loom]

Early hamill was wacky

iirc his dad was a Naval Officer in Occupied Japan

[crystal forum]

i think it's sad that their corpses are being brought back

[stark cargo]

For example?

[green loom]

And he went to school there for a while

[crystal forum]

intellectual property cannot end anymore

[astral whale]

SW has been relegated to space westerns and series Carried by Dave Filoni. SW used to be something that I personally got excited for. Then Disney took it and turned it into something I loathe.

Star Trek has been relegated to garbage shows like “Lower Decks” and Discovery. (Deep Space 9 is where that franchise peaked)

[crystal forum]

mfw i can spout extremist ideologies on the news but i can't sing a song from the beatles made 70 years ago

[green loom]

Idk Dave Filoni can be pretty weird sometimes

He's like the Abnett of Star Wars

[astral whale]

I came back for Clone Wars season 7 but dipped out afterwards. I really don’t like the Mandolorian.

[green loom]

I liked the uh

First 3 or so episodes

And the imperial outpost with Bill

Rest is bleh

[crystal forum]

the first season of mandalorian has good vibes

[astral whale]

“Oh no, baby Yoda is being a lil shit”

Idk that show screamed “We need to revive this franchise, send out le bebe “

[crystal forum]

but i'll simp for anything where pedro pascal is in it

[stark cargo]

Actually, I like "Lower Decks" and Discovery. 😁 Imho they managed to preserve the core identity of ST while also trying out new stuff. I think it worked out quite ok. (Unlike their rehashing of the old Star Trek series, which never interested me, personally)

[green loom]

"Oh yeah Gideon has Death Troopers" all die
"Oh yeah Gideon has Dark Troopers" all die
"Oh yeah Gideon was on Mandalore this entire time and has Beskar armoured storm troopers and imperial guard" all die

[green loom]

I heard lower decks could be funny, but that Discovery suffers with a bad main character or something?

[astral whale]

I can respect that take. I just dislike the cartoon style. It just screams low effort/low cost animation style of every generic cartoon nowadays.

[stark cargo]

By contrast, I feel that Star Wars has been dead for a long time now. Rogue One and Episode 8 gave me some hope, but that's it. The went back to doing Samurai movies with light sabers and a lot of retro sci-fi

[crystal forum]

discovery's main problem is it thinks zack sneider perfected the franchise

[green loom]

Idk I live for this wacky shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV1eO8ZFYQI&ab_channel=Kzona1976

[stark cargo]

Agreed. I don't like this cheap animation style, either. Apparently adult animation has to look ugly, or something. 😅
But they manage to make it interessting in the story and character department.

[green loom]

Also most CGI filled movies/shows lose out on quality because half the shit is outsourced to cheap CGI companies

[astral whale]

RIGHT?

[astral whale]

Nono, Star Trek’s CG was perfect.

[green loom]

I meant in a more modern sense

[crystal forum]

that show would have been much better if neelix died in a fire on the first episode

like a 15 minute long scene of neelix burning to death

[astral whale]

Imma just say it. The market has become over saturated with dogshit mobile games.

And streaming services. Even GW getting in on that action.

[crystal forum]

always has been

[stark cargo]

The main character, Michael Burnham, is too many things at once, unfortunately. It's not that bad, as the rest of the crew still gets to shine, and Burnham gets cast down a lot, too.
But if you want some optimistic, sometimes corny, crew centered sci-fi where folks don't solve everything by being the better fighter, then it's still quite ok

[crystal forum]

i refuse to watch anything with netflix's shitty big mouth style animation so im not touching lower decks

why western animation decided to choose the ugliest style ever as the default for the last 5 years i'll never understand

[stark cargo]

I get that. Though that means you are missing out on Final Space, too. Which is quite nice. (Though unfinished.)

[astral whale]

Because it’s cheap, easy to get consistient.

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DojDPYbVuT8&ab_channel=CreamIce

[crystal forum]

was it cancelled?

[green loom]

[crystal forum]

futurama and simpsons were cheap and had more style

[stark cargo]

Iirc the last season was never made, and it's left somewhat open ended

[crystal forum]

it's not just cheap, it's lazy as hell

[astral whale]

I think Rick and Morty popularized it.

[green loom]

I'll never forgive Book of Boba Fett

[crystal forum]

even rick and morty has more style to it!

[green loom]

Planet of Hardened Criminals
Boba recruits some cyborgs on Space Scooters

[stark cargo]

I never liked those much because their humor didn't really work for me. Same for Rick and Morty. 😅

[green loom]

Not even the cool horrific trans-human monstrosity types you find among bounty hunters either

[crystal forum]

futurama is dope as hell but you do you

[green loom]

I like some of Futurama but it's the same as Family guy and Simpsons for me

[astral whale]

First few seasons were funny, but after that it got stale.

[green loom]

I'll laugh at a joke here and there but there's only so much I can take

[astral whale]

Tbh Futurama is timeless.

[crystal forum]

one of my favorite running gags of futurama is in the first seasons where they keep shitting on new jersey

[astral whale]

Nah, they spitting the truth XD

I’ve been there. Never again.

Same with NY.

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/ooB5iIqZnB0

the land fills were full
New Jersey was full

[green loom]

My entire country is just New Jersey

[astral whale]

That entire side of the Appalachians? Gahbage.

[rose thorn]

My work served pinto beans, peas and onion, and boiled corn beef and I’m pretty sure it smelt just like how corpse starch would smell

[green loom]

Are you in Normandy during Dday?

[rose thorn]

A retirement home

[green loom]

Close enough

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[astral whale]

When I was first introduced to 40k I honestly thought corpse starch was just a colloquial term to describe the food obviously inspired from British cuisine.

[crystal forum]

i don't know if this includes where i live but i'm still angry

[storm jungle]

It is though?

[astral whale]

The British make good food.
French food.

And curry.

[storm jungle]

Death.

[astral whale]

And pretty much every other culture group’s food.

[crystal forum]

complimenting the french while insulting the british is just asking for trouble

[astral whale]

The French have better food than the British. That is objectively true.

Same with the wine.

[stark cargo]

Not really. Food wise that's not even a fight. 😁

[rose thorn]

Also the new starter box is literally both of the new combat patrols

[crystal forum]

english have some pretty good food if you look past the 1940's era famine rations they had to come up with

[green loom]

I'm told British food has a problem with grease

[rose thorn]

Depending on how the spam unit for nids costs

There’s gonna be a lot of space marines on eBay

[winter vessel]

I just thought of it like I was eating a can of corned beef, I ate that a lot growing up. Hereford brand. delicious

[stark cargo]

The grease isn't a problem, it's a feature. Steak pies and cheddar are actually awesome. Not healthy, but very tasty. 😁

[crystal forum]

living in an ex french and british colony changes your perspective on food

[green loom]

I'm content with my melting pot of Slav/Turkish food

[astral whale]

Ah so you’re from North Montana? /j

[arctic talon]

British food looks and tastes like it was made under rationing still

[crystal forum]

im not american no

[arctic talon]

mostly

[storm jungle]

Let me introduce you to some Mantı

[green loom]

What's dat

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

cant explain english bad, here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manti_(food)

[crystal forum]

i really wanna visit louisiana for its food one day though

[storm jungle]

WAIT ITS NOT EVEN A TURKISH FOOD

NOOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/no-noo-gif-12572306

[rose thorn]

What the fuck ai generated food am I looking at

[astral whale]

Do it. Visit the French Quarter. Best I’ve ever eaten in my entire life.

[green loom]

Kinda reminds me of this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarma_(food)

[storm jungle]

sarma is great

[storm jungle]

killing you

[crystal forum]

louisiana culture fascinates me so much because of how similar it is to mine and yet so americanized

[winter vessel]

You should, went their back in high school with a group of friends. Crawfish is excellent, beignets? mmm. I also had this nice black bean sausage Jambalaya.

[rose thorn]

[green loom]

World is a tasty

[crystal forum]

i just want some good gumbo

[stark cargo]

Oh, looks tasty! A bit similar to Polish pierogi or Swabian Maultaschen.

[crystal forum]

turkish food is so damn fatty

i'd literally die if i went there just from over eating

[rose thorn]

In description this sounds amazing, but visually

[astral whale]

In my culinary experience, the food just gets better the further southwest you go in America:

Louisiana (Seafood)
Texas (BBQ/Mexican)
New Mexico (Best Mexican food I’ve ever had)

[green loom]

They usually cook in balls and you can take them out of the leavs

Still pretty tasty

[rose thorn]

Oh soul

Okay+

I really like Greek food

[green loom]

I prefer Kebab to Gyros

Mostly because I really, really like chicken

[astral whale]

I like both.

No diff.

[rose thorn]

It’s hard to find shit to eat because I don’t eat red meat and I don’t like meat besides fish lmao

[green loom]

Eh almost, meat is different

[crystal forum]

gotta stop at the south east just for the fast food trash too

[winter vessel]

buddy you wanna die from eating? There's a restaurant in Las Vegas called Heart Attack Grill, people who eat there wear patient gowns during meals. Place has killed at least three people just from eating the food.

[green loom]

You know what I want?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdZ_YjE1X6g&ab_channel=MiddleEats

[crimson kayak]

Here in Turin we got so many fucking different Kebab/Kebap shops we jokingly call it the town's national food

[crystal forum]

yeah i heard of it lol

[rose thorn]

Mexican street corn is insane

I love it

[stark cargo]

Honestly, German cities might be the best place for food. Not because "German" food is that great in itself. But you get so many great restaurants that serve dishes from everywhere.

[green loom]

I've had a burger prepared in a similar way by bosniaks and it was great

[astral whale]

Sounds like a good way to die.

[crystal forum]

if you want a place that has everything then check out san francisco

that place has like every single cultural dish

[astral whale]

YOOO YES. MEXICAN STREET CORN IS A NATIONAL TREASURE.

[rose thorn]

Time to think of my succubus character

[winter vessel]

Probably will finish the Job for Nikocado if he went there just once.

[green loom]

I like boiled corn

[crystal forum]

i super reacted by accident again

[green loom]

Is it a sister of battle

[green loom]

Yeah but first time it was good because 🇦🇱 🇦🇱

[winter vessel]

Isn't that just Miriael Sabbathiel

[astral whale]

Do tell, I love hearing about people’s OC’s

[green loom]

I'm content with my Chapter Master's design

Now I just need to

Write his backstory

[crimson kayak]

Now that I think about it i never made a custom regiment/chapter/thingie

[winter vessel]

is that genuine or sarcasm

[green loom]

[crystal forum]

im way better at writing backstories than i am at designing OC's

[winter vessel]

you and me both

[green loom]

I can write, I'm just lazy

[astral whale]

Genuine. I like hearing about people making their own characters or trying. Not all of us can be masterclass authors but everyone can try.

[winter vessel]

cool.

[crystal forum]

i think my problem is that i love generic. i hate when my characters stand out too much

[crimson kayak]

I mean there's many shades of generic

[crystal forum]

or whenever i put details i want all of them to have their own significance so it takes ages to make a complete character

[astral whale]

That in and of itself is a character archetype that I love. When the character is self aware of their own bs lol

[crimson kayak]

See the 1bilion different shades of cadian you can get

[green loom]

Yeah my folks are generic knights, but also vampires

[winter vessel]

Almost looks like the Patriarchal cross

[green loom]

Because it is

Or technically

No

It's the Cross of Anjou/Lorraine

I just like da double blaeds

[crystal forum]

it'll be very difficult for me when i'll finally create my regiment leader OC for guardsmen lol

[storm jungle]

They should only stand out if you are making someone thats out from a regular rank-n-file army yeah, I got quite a few 40k OCs like that because I like making stuff with commissions a lot

[winter vessel]

oh yeah, Croix de Lorraine. The Knights templar once wore it into battle during the crusades.

[green loom]

It's partially a heritage thing but I also just prefer it stylistically

[winter vessel]

I think its appropriate, knights and all y'know.

[green loom]

The Original was this but edited

[astral whale]

I’ve got a bit of lore for my HB Forgeworld for my Admech army (for my tts games). Forgeworld Kytheria.

To sum the packet of lore I’m working on for them, they’re what would happen if a Fabricator General got their hands on the heir to a Warrant of Trade, converting him to the Cult Mechanicus. Basically, they begin doing their own operations to buy, barter and steal archeotech under the guise of the House while also fighting for legitimacy over the Warrant of Trade.

[green loom]

Sounds p cool

[rose thorn]

I don’t have an idea yet. I still need to write down my other ocs

[astral whale]

So a more political/diplomatic Stygies VIII.

[green loom]

With less xenarites?

[astral whale]

Not really. They will “legally” buy xenotech under the house for it to be ritualistically destroyed. Basically, they may attempt more diplomatic means of acquiring Archaeotech and Xenotech but if a deal can’t be brokered then they might attempt an “Alternative arrangement”

They’ll just steal it.

[green loom]

Classic

[winter vessel]

I got like 2 OC backstories in the works. One of them is supposed to essentially be my Vet in Darktide. The other is an Adepta Sororitas "Sister Superior", but I can't decide if I want her to belong with the Sacred Rose or Argent Shroud. Basically She gifts the Vet, her Power Sword(don't judge) to him as a way of remembering and how their shared experience and reliance on each other kept them alive from a Chaos invasion. So now he uses the sword, even when his life is forfeit becoming an Acolyte to Inquisitor Grendyl's group in the Ordo Hereticus. It's still a rough work. To get an idea, its the Mk3 Psword.

[green loom]

Maybe kill her, for extra bleakness

[astral whale]

On the tabletop they are based off of Stygies tho. However they wear blue robes because Mars’s sunrise is blue, and like the sunrise they have since left the surface of mars for the galaxy beyond.

[storm jungle]

Definitely Argent Shroud

they are all about heroism and selflessness

[green loom]

Do they get white shrouds

[storm jungle]

Actually yes

mostly in iconography tho lmao

[stark cargo]

Regarding admech: Is there actually a summary on the major forgeworlds fluff somewhere? Couldn't really find something on lexicanum

[storm jungle]

The major ones are basically the ones you can field as an army on the codex

aka always the ones "worth mentioning"

[stark cargo]

I found what they do "in game", but not what really makes them different in thinking/philosophy

[rose thorn]

How does one write a drukhari character

Hm

[storm jungle]

Hold on bud i got you

[stark cargo]

Just don't make them too arrogant. 😅
A mix of sadism, paranoia, and fear of being consumed by Slaanesh might work?

[rose thorn]

Trueeee

I wanna make my succubus neat

I’m 90% sure im going with the cursed blade

[winter vessel]

Well I did have the idea of her being corrupted by this cult leader of Slaanesh that kind of forced the Vet to end her suffering, but that's just one scenario. There's a Fire Angel's Marine along for the ride but I'm still working on it. Got a fic idea bouncing in my head. and it involves a Sister, a vet, an Astartes, and a Tech priest or Skitarii, banding together in the midst of a daemon incursion on a Civilised World. half the PDF goes traitor, Harakoni 31st Helldivers come in with Fire Angels, a convent of Sororitas fighting on the planet defending their sacred church etc.

[storm jungle]

Basically think on their upbringing and then go off from there, you can do a lot with a dark eldar character, Commorragh is massive development wise.

[stark cargo]

@rose thorn is it "just" an OC, or is it for a story?

[storm jungle]

If you want a semi "good" redeemed Druk make them Cursed Blade that went off to throw her lot in with Ynnari for example, etc

[green loom]

More like
The Binnari

[rose thorn]

I usually like making a character and a rival character that specifically hate each other

[green loom]

Because they got thrown in da trash

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

Yno more lori

[winter vessel]

Cegorach's captured audience force laughing

Hmm, yeah, Dilara's right. Argent Shroud sounds more appropriate for my SOB, i'll roll with that.

[storm jungle]

🙏

[rose thorn]

Morally evil usually completely fine my only morally gray character has omega ptsd who thinks murdering a tyranid will cure it

[storm jungle]

Lmao

in that case yeah she can just be in Commorragh as one of the many Succubi thats in charge of the cult

they are basically killer cheerleaders anyway

[winter vessel]

The pom poms are actually Mon'keigh heads

[green loom]

They're like less cool daughters of khaine

[storm jungle]

very based

also that too

[rose thorn]

These pom pom contains used syringes

[storm jungle]

ok Jigsaw

[astral whale]

Here’s an idea. What if they were a botched resurrection gone right-ish like they ended up soul bound to another powerful individual, freeing them from slaanesh’s grasp.

Little plot armor-y but workable.

[winter vessel]

Honestly the Fire Angels are probably my new favorite chapter that follows the Imperial Creed. And from my analysis, they're like Black Templars but choose not to be unhinged 24/7.

[astral whale]

@rose thorn another thing you could do is have a pre-collapse eldar get stuck in a set of circumstances (warp travel, stasis field, etc.) and have them emerge in the present.

Leaving them unaffected by the fall.

[undone zodiac]

I love how ork kommandos are actually a real threat because everyone dismisses them with "orks cant be stealthy"

[rose thorn]

Hey is, there even a way Drukahri can tell the difference between a half horn and true born?

[storm jungle]

Yes

when a trueborn is a trueborn they will entirely reek and act like a rich pompous prick

Vatborn are very easy to tell because they are like crackheads and people you can tell actually earned their status or stabbed their way to it

Its a bit hard to explain but its the same way you might look at a businessman and a bluecollar worker

[winter vessel]

Trueborn: "hoi, bring me my wine" continues to sneer

[rose thorn]

So it’s All visually?

[storm jungle]

Mostly yeah

[green loom]

Trueborn are naturally slimy assholes, vatborn are crackhead nutjobs?

[storm jungle]

Yes lmao

Its just something you can tell

[rose thorn]

So, it would be completely fitting if my succubus was a half born, and she gas lit people into thinking she’s true born

[undone zodiac]

2 elves putting up with each others to actually get a kid is a miracle

[storm jungle]

Yeah entirely

i mean

you can say that about us too

adults are terrible, who knew

[winter vessel]

basically one chooses to be a prick, the other was born a prick

[undone zodiac]

Doesnt eldar take like century to reproduce

[winter vessel]

I wouldn't say that long,

[storm jungle]

All elves in fiction do yeah

eldar is never really specified

if it was space marines you'd get like 10389 books explaining the process

[green loom]

Except warcraft

[storm jungle]

Or that too

[undone zodiac]

Or decade

[storm jungle]

But yeah a lot of dark eldar are entirely vatborn

so a good chunk of the population is what you might consider "street rats" by nobles

[green loom]

And the Haemonculi are actively making them worse

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

Soemthing like

‘Vri the three quarters born’ she was a vat born who was pretty beautiful for a vat born. So eventually she began just lying to fucking everyone that she’s a true born. And anyone who dares to question her she just murdered.

It’s gotten to the point where people aren’t too sure if she is. But everyone was either gas lit or too scared to assume not

With her completely bullshit status she eventually some how became a succubus of a circle of the cursed blade

[storm jungle]

Yeah that sounds entirely dark eldar to me

also perfect highschool gossip material

which fits wych cults lol

[winter vessel]

Nothing like good old gaslighting, a common habit for Drukhari.

[rose thorn]

Lmao

That or something like

Hunting shit themed

Eh im doing that with my knights

[crisp heath]

Insufferable Drukhari who has never intentionally tortured anyone- casual conversation with her is so painful it sustains her

[rose thorn]

Actually that would be a cool idea for a homunculus, im@doing dark creed to he’s like ‘of course the most terrifying thing, is your predator’

He likes to rip apart and stich back together animals and nids to try to make the perfect predator

[rose thorn]

Lmao,l

[stark cargo]

@rose thorn Or they could build a trueborn alter ego that mostly deals indirectly with people. And if someone tracks that identity to the succubus, she might gaslight them into thinking that the succubus is just a fake identity?

[astral whale]

Gaslight, Gatekeep, Gladiatrix

[rose thorn]

Vri the 3 quarters born, she was a vat born scum who one way or another joined the cursed blade. And eventually noticed that the true born wyches always brought in more attention and were usually more famous. So she hatched this entire fucking scheme where she made up a story of being a true born who was abandoned as a baby to create a sympathetic story and to gas lighting people into thinking she’s a true born. This story completely blew out of the water and caused a hysteria of people obsessed with tracking down who her parents are, believing she might be of a royal descent. She began faking assassination attempts on her self and making up more pieces to this fictional puzzle. Anyone who dared to question anything about her story were always soon to find them selves dead by her hand.

[crystal forum]

fake it till you make it

[rose thorn]

She eventually grew so popular form the mystery of her store she became a succubus. She made absolutely sure to psycho indoctrinate the blood brides to murder anyone who dared to belittle her story and her name by questioning her story.

Now she is juggling her career, story, and murder

In order to take a break from all of the questions and stress and fake and real assassination attempts she joins a load of raids

[astral whale]

To my understanding wouldn’t her fanbase also murder anyone who questions her story considering Succubi are like Dhrukari idols?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

True

[dire vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzQ6l-lXgYY

[green loom]

Us

[tough haven]

How many loyalist primarchs are still around?

[astral whale]

Good question

[green loom]

Guilliman and Lion are out kicking
Vulkan is probably alive
Corvus is hunting Lorgar
Russ is.... Somewhere, but alive
Dorn is.... Somewhere, probably dead but unconfirmed
Khan is probably somewhere in the webway or probably Commoragh
Sangy and Ferrus are dead

So around 5 we know for sure are not dead, 2 are up in the air, and 2 are dead dead

[astral whale]

Alpharius is alive.

[green loom]

He's not a loyalist

[astral whale]

Is he?

Or was his Brother, Alpharius the traitor?

[green loom]

His views go a bit beyond singular loyalty as demonstrated by Alpha Legionnaires having a set of codes for different scenarios

[astral whale]

How do we know the Alpha Legion isn’t loyal in the grand scheme of things?

[green loom]

But yes they were traitors through and through, trying to get Horus to win because they were told it would destroy humanity and save the universe in the long run iirc

[green loom]

It's not as high brow as people make it out to be, they had a goal and were schemers
Their loyalties are simple to grasp with context

[astral whale]

Idk. I still like the theory half the legion are traitors, half are loyalist, and then there’s the twin primarchs in the middle of things. Choosing their own path and trying to prevent the destruction of humanity while also ensuring that the Imperium is also weak to make their own plans a lot simpler.

[green loom]

They're all brainwashed to a comical point, they basically can't be split up

That and they're ALL obsessed with the "bigger picture"

[astral whale]

Perhaps not. But you can’t deny from the novels that they aren’t brainwashed to believe some really contradictory things

[green loom]

Exactly why it's way simpler

You tell them codeword A, they do Operation B
You tell them codeword C, they do Operation D

[tough haven]

I was fairly sure for now it’s just lion and Guiliman for sure but I wanted to double check

[green loom]

They're the only ones officially and fully back

But

Primarchs = money

So

[storm jungle]

^

All loyalist primarchs are gonna come back

because money

[tough haven]

Can’t wait to see all the retcons and shit to milk that

[storm jungle]

I mean theres no retcon needed

they are all in limbo

[green loom]

Yeah most of them are alive they just have to say so

[storm jungle]

^

[tough haven]

I mean, most of the chaos primarchs are either confirmed dead or confirmed alive

[storm jungle]

Like all of them are basically lost in the warp or disappeared

[near wasp]

Horus is the only one dusted

[green loom]

Like we knew where Guilliman was, we knew where Lion was

[tough haven]

Smart business practices/writing there

[tough haven]

Well of course

[green loom]

It helps that the whole primarchs business is mostly handled by a company that pretty much only writes to sell said models

[storm jungle]

This basically lmao

[green loom]

They can't kill their golden boys, who'll be the protagonist?

[tough haven]

Fr

[near wasp]

At least the models look baller

[storm jungle]

Lion looks like a generic space marine

they showed him first in the reveal

and instantly moved on

LMAO

[green loom]

Yep

[storm jungle]

i didnt laugh that hard in awhile

they were like

"yeah hes back, anyway"

[green loom]

No big cinematic

No long reveal

[storm jungle]

yeah literally just "heres his model"

also jawas

[green loom]

Just "The Lion is back and he's badass anyway here's new Goats"

[near wasp]

The daemon primarchs more so but theres more of them around

[tough haven]

40k fans when you introduce the concept of subjective morality and that there’s however many or few protagonists as you want them to be

[green loom]

30K Lion straight up had a better reveal

[green loom]

It's a product
Company won't kill of product

[tough haven]

Oh for sure

[near wasp]

You cant tell me angron doesnt look awesome

[tough haven]

Except for the ones that they did

[green loom]

Like, you ever wonder why chapters have long ass histories of dead chapter masters and massive named character attrition rates
Except when you get to characters with models and stories

And ones that are currently alive

Lysander should be dead, but he isn't
Historically, Karlaen, Corbulo etc. Should be dead as fuck but they aren't, and Dante is literally two thousand years old

[near wasp]

Dante is a fossil

[summer rover]

did bjorn finally die?