40k-lore-chat

[languid salmon]

could have sworn one of their codex's mention it I'll have to check again then

[crystal forum]

don't start the recoil debate 😤

[storm jungle]

even if you do check theres other ones where they have recoil and dont have recoil

it basically doesnt matter

[rose thorn]

[storm jungle]

Also checked that one was by Sandy Mitchell

[rose thorn]

Oh okay

[languid salmon]

so what I'm hearing is they both do and don't have recoil so its probably just based on the model of lasgun

[rose thorn]

Where a tallarn did a smuicide smombing

[crystal forum]

it's based on whatever the author feels like

[rose thorn]

[storm jungle]

OH THAT BOOK

Yeah thats very old i dont super remember its name

[rose thorn]

Yeah I know it’s extremely old book but still

[storm jungle]

the Traitor's Hand tho instead just has tallarn as stereotypical muslims

[green loom]

Thanks(In Turkish)

[rose thorn]

Wow that’s worse

[crystal forum]

the fact that people even assume they don't have recoil annoys me a bit because it's such a trivial unimportant detail and laser guns never follow any rule of physics in most sci fi settings

[rose thorn]

Almsot worse

[storm jungle]

Yeaaah its very obvious when you read the book

[storm jungle]

Also yeah same

it just doesnt matter

a gun is a gun

[rose thorn]

Guys pls just because tallarn have aspects of an offshoot of the Muslim region doesn’t mean you can make them just- that

They have a lot of aspects from the uhhhh so and so I can’t remember what it’s called. Mainly the dagger thing

Tallarn fucking love daggers

[storm jungle]

Tallarn are basically entirely inspired by Lawrence of Arabia

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

its why their debut minis were all white people

lmao

[crystal forum]

do you have pictures

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah its on google

1 sec

literally STRAIGHT UP white

[languid salmon]

looks like metal to me

[storm jungle]

yeah these are OLD

[rose thorn]

I like how modern day tallarn have a lot of operation desert storm style stuff

[storm jungle]

SDFFSDDFSDSF

NOOOO

[rose thorn]

[crystal forum]

my brain is losing oxygen

why does GW do this

[rose thorn]

I’m not gonna let my favroite regiment live and die as a racist characterization

[storm jungle]

Its a mix of imperial gaurd regiments being entirely inspired by movies and also everyone in the studio being white british people

[storm jungle]

Also nah like

Tallarn are fine, its just that they are dead and buried like most guard factions tabletop wise

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

All you need to do is just not make them white and thats it lmao

so dont worry about offending anyone

[crystal forum]

at least they didn't add a suicide vest unit or some shit

[rose thorn]

Uh

Bad news

[storm jungle]

...

how do we tell him

[rose thorn]

In a book

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

wait

no

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Also not even the book

40k had actual units

with suicide vests

lmao

[rose thorn]

WHAT

British people

Pls

[languid salmon]

weren't suicide bombers the found all around imperial guard though

[storm jungle]

yeha but like

[rose thorn]

Jow they are suicide servitors

[storm jungle]

theres a reason it instantly got discontinued

[rose thorn]

Robot things

[green loom]

What if we made the Tallarn Fremen?

[storm jungle]

nice stats

[crystal forum]

subtle

[rose thorn]

5 points each hat would be busted

https://youtube.com/shorts/LFYWONIPs6I?feature=share

Also thank you tyros for Cannonically sneaking into a base during the badab war

[languid salmon]

a penal legion suicide bomber does sound like a fun surprise unit to make an enemy think twice about charging you though

[storm jungle]

Yeah but its in very poor taste

the Imperium 100% would use suicide bombers

but its a bit too close to real life

Human Bombs - Amongst the Penal Legions there are those sinners who have sentences that can never truly be repented for in life itself. They are those who have raped, tortured and murdered people both physically and mentally through their own will and feel insanely repentant for what they have done. Many of these individuals cannot live with their crimes and feel blessed with the chance to be forgiven in their own deaths.

Such men are dangerous in the regular ranks of the Legions Penetante and are immediately recruited into the Human Bomb squads.

Preachers, Confessors and others of the Imperial Cult help those souls to understand what they must do to attain full forgiveness from the Emperor by means of mediation and prayer. Before battle Tech-priests adorn the Legionnaires with bomb harnesses and rip up the remotes, while Preachers and Confessors speak liturgies and blessings, for once the bomb is ignited, so is the prisoner forgiven and the sinner's soul is free to join the Emperor in solitude and peace.

also you know this lore is old

because it mentions assaulting people as one of their charges

💀

[green loom]

You just mash them into squads and they detonate if they lose in melee

[languid salmon]

the orks do it and so do the tyranids

[crystal forum]

huh actual mention of rape in 40k

[storm jungle]

yeah thats how you know its old

[storm jungle]

They arent humans

[languid salmon]

yes

[storm jungle]

Also their first minis literally got red bandanas and shit

its not subtle

lmao

especially the whole uh

"You'll join the emperor in peace once you blow yourself up and the enemy"

which is literally what IRL suicide bombers think and are told to do

so yeah its yikes

[crystal forum]

i'd like this as an actual unit but as a servitor

[storm jungle]

Yeah and it kinda exists

navy breachers got suicide-servo skulls

its made from the skulls of breachers who died in combat

but their skull is rigged with a bomb incase the servo ever gets used as a "last laugh" from the fallen breacher

[languid salmon]

I want some

[green loom]

I thought I accidentally copied some lion art for a sec

[rose thorn]

Gsc do it which is only kinda bad in taste

Well

Pretty bad

[languid salmon]

which unit?

[rose thorn]

A stratagem and I think the bikes

[storm jungle]

Oh shoot lmao

[green loom]

[rose thorn]

And all their vehicles

[crystal forum]

orks killing themselves is funny though

[languid salmon]

dang I was not planning on using the bikes

[rose thorn]

Idk if they’d till do in 10th

[languid salmon]

probably not with how much got cut

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah dark angels did it too

But it was a post death thing

[green loom]

They had plasma bombs inside them as a precaution

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats like less uh

"kill as many people as possible"

and more

"YOU WONT TAKE ME ALIVE"

"also no evidence teehee"

[green loom]

Dark angels when explode

[storm jungle]

We love our dark angels

especially when they infiltrate the Imperial Palace

[green loom]

(granted he isn't DA but he's got the helmet)

[storm jungle]

also that

[green loom]

Gonna redo this in my cool style next week

[rose thorn]

I think gw is having a fuckinh stroke

WHAT IS THIS AD

[rose thorn]

@storm jungle you think the weshammer ads are bad look at this

[storm jungle]

I JUST HAD THAT ON MY PHONE YESTERDAY

"Sir we have no budget for an ad"

"Hold on i got this"

[rose thorn]

Fucking default google presentation ass shit

[green loom]

Weshammer ads?

[summer rover]

they already know anyone buying it is like...mentally 5, so why put in more effort?

[plush mason]

kek

[crisp heath]

When it comes to tech Chaos has very little inovation mostly its just whatever the traitor marines/guardsmen brought with them I mean mabye they will stuff an anrgy demon into an emtpy tank bang on it to piss it off then point it at the enemy.

[green loom]

They also won't get shot for making something new(see: new Death Guard vehicles, Dark Mech nutjobs)

[crisp heath]

Well the onlyu hting new they made were Ravagers and LBH it was only done to fill the gap left in their forces after the Dereadnaughts became ineffective.

[winter vessel]

It’s why I consider Iron Warriors to be my favorite Traitor Astartes legion. They are no nonsense, soldiers to their very core and efficient. There’s a daemon lurking around? IW: “ YOU’RE GOIN IN THE BOX, Fucky boi!”

[crisp heath]

Are we condemned to no more scenario IG?

No more cinematics

Are we stuck in one planet?

With no explanation of the spread of Chaos?

No big bad guy with a name?

[crystal forum]

ah fuck my book is mentioning eldar and i have no clue what half the stuff is

what the hell is a shuriken

[winter vessel]

Eldar gun.

@crisp heath you talking about the state of Darktide rn?

[crisp heath]

Yea

[winter vessel]

Pretty much. The description of the game during reveal was that the story builds up with every Content update. But at the current state of it, that doesn’t seem to be the biggest priority right now. Really the environment of each area we go to tells the story

[winter vessel]

Lore wise, The spread of Nurgle’s “blessings” on Atoma was through the cult of Admonition. Moebian 6th regiment was sent in to handle the problem but became part of the problem. Ordo Hereticus steps in, prison ship, expendable, yadda yadda and BAM. You’re an Acolyte for the Inquisition.

It’s my hope that, the spread worsens we get to fight in the upper areas of the Hive City that’d be kinda cool. I can only speculate that it’s one singular Plague Marine being the “big bad guy” as you put it, but so far nothing for the story.

[crisp heath]

I came to the same speculation

I hope we get to see rly cool ennemies

Im tired of the current threats

[torpid narwhal]

I don't think 4 randos can beat a plague marine

[summer rover]

it's those little stars ninja throw, the eldar version is a curvy little monomolecular version launched out of their guns by a gravity catapult.

[crystal forum]

weirdos

[torpid narwhal]

You would die just going near it

[celest dome]

Seeing the weapon selection we really could

But won't happen cause no SM at all in the area

[celest dome]

In what we have been teased currently, the next things are gonna be us going in the Underhive propper. And maybe facing Plaguebearers.

[winter vessel]

I get the feeling we are bound to encounter them, but man I hate those guys. PBs are some nasty looking fuckers.

[celest dome]

Yeah, more reasons to kill them then.

I expect the next mission to have us use the Crystal from the Ascender mission to make a Lascutter to drill a vault or something

[torpid narwhal]

Unless they write one in

[celest dome]

They already said no

[torpid narwhal]

They said a lot of things

[celest dome]

They've said no multiple times. Just like they've said back at Vt2's start that there won't be a U6 amd they kept to that

[torpid narwhal]

I need to go to bed

[celest dome]

They don't want to do SM

[arctic talon]

Who the hell would even be 6, a high elf?

Actually

Lizard

[celest dome]

Well the most requested one was Vampire Lady (People wanted Genievre) and Saurus or Skink.

Neither which would have worked anyway

Do note that they haven't said the same for archetypes here

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[celest dome]

And tbh. Apart from ETA has FS really said things before doing else

[crimson kayak]

The 6th became traitor before reaching atoma, but everything else is spot on

[celest dome]

I think they were already in revolt but not yet turned to Chaos

[crimson kayak]

Nah, you wouldn't send a revolting regiment to deal with your Capital problems, most probsbly the contrary, they became closet cultists on the fringe worlds and then escalated into full revolt once reaching atoma

[celest dome]

Well not open revolt, just they were already on the brink of falling to chaos beforehand

[crimson kayak]

Oh, that's true for anyone on the fringe Wars tbf

[celest dome]

Ye, that's why I think the Scab aren't really Nurglite pledged

[crimson kayak]

Considering Moebians receive only lies and the occasional victory story before reaching the Fringe Wars and learning you are basically at Passchendaele inside jungles and shitty planets 24/7

So they literally either become badasses or turn traitor, or pull a 6th and do both

[storm jungle]

Lmao, helped my friend making that

[shadow plover]

hah, got it from another discord

[storm jungle]

extremely based

[remote widget]

Could necrons revive the emperor

Trazyn said so

[crimson kayak]

Necrons have enough bullshit tech that every question except "do they have something to get their old bodies back" is a resounding yes

[remote widget]

That whole book being a ctan troll...

[near wasp]

I dont know if the necrons can fix the big e. Elder would probably have more luck given that they have psychic powers

[celest dome]

They probably could, but would they ? Not really

[summer rover]

they're pretty much dogcrap are organics and psychics, so i'd have to say the necrons would screw it up if they tried to help the empra.

[copper slate]

And now I'm thinking of how Asha would react to the other races.

Necrons... If she could learn their whole backstory, Asha would be disgusted because of Continuity parallels, but maybe also a measure of sympathy because they were also tricked.
Alderai: Awe at just how keenly they feel things, and respect for how they're able to stay on top of those powerful emotions. (Asha brings out Mirage Prime upon seeing the Harlequins.)

[green loom]

What about the drukhari

[copper slate]

Dark Elves? She busts out Valkyr on them. No mercy for these sadists.

[storm jungle]

Necron tech is so advanced that the lore says it basically looks like magic to us.

They could absolutely fix it but they got no reason to and id say good for them

[summer rover]

everything in 40k is pretty much so advanced it looks like magic to us.

that's not an answer it's just the whole setting is hyperbolic.

you peel back the brutalism of a lasgun's outer casing and you basically have star trek magic phaser beams.

[crisp heath]

Tbf necrons did actually destroy a lot of their tech because they decided it was too dangerous, but this did not include the button that blows up stars

[storm jungle]

Not really, at all.

[storm jungle]

Also lasgun tech and star trek phaser tech is incredibly different

for example lasguns dont instantly kill a space marine in one shot, meanwhile phasers do

you are just really bringing this all down to like the tip of basics

[summer rover]

phasers don't instantly kill a space marine, hell they tend to only instantly kill a person when Plottm allows it. their main difference is everything in star trek has autoaim.

[storm jungle]

Well yeha because its a utopian setting, everyone has OP tech either way.

Anyway basically the only advanced race in the setting with "tech so advanced its magic" is the eldar and necrons.

Everyone else ranges from primitive brutalist technology to normal sci-fi tech.

[crimson kayak]

Guys, phasers are nuclear guns btw just saying

Closest thing in 40k are mechanicus Iradd Cleansers or necromunda Rad guns

(wich btw, in the end are just better lasers)

[crimson kayak]

Continuity parallels are neat, especially when you consider how lower drones even lost their mind/personality

Eldar meanwhile are much more similar to Tenno than what you may think

[gloomy citrus]

Didn't these emotions eventually birth Slaanesh?

[crimson kayak]

Yep

But Craftworld and exodites are not included in that mix

As they either left right for that risk or were too far and too detached to give two shits about it

Like, closest you get to old empire Eldar guys are Saim Hann

And exodites tbf as those still are technically old empire Eldar

[storm jungle]

Saim-Hann are not close at all

no Craftworld atm embodies anything the Aeldari Empire did

Saim-Hann are just considered "babaric" because they live with a bit of a tribal code and be "wild" and ride jetbikes, otherwise they are very civilized

[crimson kayak]

Ye i meant it more as in them and exodites not being as restricted by the Paths and all that Shazam of the Craftworlds like the others

And thus blending more the lines with their old counterparts

[storm jungle]

Ah yeah true

[summer rover]

my dude, all lasers are nuclear guns, laser means Light Amplification through Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

[crimson kayak]

Sorry, wrong term, they are a particle beam, not a laser beam

It uses fake sci fi particles but it's there

[summer rover]

honestly it doesn't matter, star trek is infamous for not caring how their tech works, just that it "does this". phasers are whatever stupid energy beam method they want to use for plot reasons that ep.

[crimson kayak]

Oh yeah that's true ench why I said in the end is just a better laser

[summer rover]

it's just 40K does the exact same thing, but with more brutalist trappings.

a lasgun is the saturday night special of energy weapons in sci-fi. cheap and not complex.

same technobabble nomnsense under the hood though.

[crimson kayak]

Wich btw, now that I found the right term for it we do actually have a direct comparison with what's supposed to be phaser tech with Tau ion weapons

As both follow the same particle beam mumbo jumbo

[celest dome]

Aren't they nuclear only if they are ionisant?

[summer rover]

you're confusing like....three different silly sci-fi energy arguments there. ionised lasers might cause a nuclear level reaction (MIGHT) if the process could be made possible but nobody knows.

if that's what a phaser, lasgun, ion weapon or lightsaber does is up to the writer and whatever garbage tech magazine they read that month though.

[coarse pumice]

Foundation uses Atomic Blaster, but it was written in the age where everyone thought you'd have atomic appliances, so there's atomic card, atomic toasters etc. too

[crimson kayak]

When in doubt, it's a direct energy weapon

Can't go wrong with that

[arctic talon]

Like a atomic credit card?

[coarse pumice]

they all used cash

[celest dome]

I could ask a teacher on Monday. I don't think he would be happy if I bother him now. But if it's not causing ionisation it's not really Nuclear or something

[crisp heath]

Thinkin i wanna eat some crayons

[near wasp]

Average ogryn right there

[summer rover]

ionisation is gonna be present in some form of any directed laser, it's a matter of it doing anything besides telling the rest of the energy which way everyone's goin'

[crisp heath]

Guardsman here
Jarhead activities

Red tastes the best btw

[summer rover]

he ate a chartruse crayon and had to go redo his list. and learn how to spell chartruse

[arctic talon]

Cyan better

[celest dome]

Isn't it dependent to the wave length

[summer rover]

i'm not gonna waste the paragraphs needed to answer that. short version: sci-fi lasers are always silly.

[crimson kayak]

I mean, it's science fiction after all

Ench why all sci fi stuff uses sci fi tech with most of the time sci fi materials

[glass scaffold]

hi

does anybody want to play with discord

[rose thorn]

I am joining the city of commoragh

Covens hella hype

[rose thorn]

Time to learn about covens :D

[storm jungle]

They have their own codex

so do what you can with that information on google

[rose thorn]

I mean

[rose thorn]

I meant cults lmao

I got hr two mixed up

[storm jungle]

oh whoops lmao

yeah Covens are haemonculi

Cults are Wyches

[rose thorn]

I forgot because fucking Skyrim

Lmao

I’m not sure what cult to pick

also my dnd lore, societies of only elves are called elf covens because I’m not doing that lotr shit

[storm jungle]

virtually cheesed

[storm jungle]

Wych cults admittedly are not as exotic as covens

but they got some looney tunes tier lore

One cult's entire thing is betraying people, they are the Cursed Blade

its so fucking funny

when you go attend their arena random traps in the seats can kill people, but people go to fucking watch it beacuse they say thats half the thrill

[green loom]

Does anyone have images of fortress monasteries?

Need design refs

[storm jungle]

Hmm

i can get some brb

[green loom]

Ooo these are perfect

Ty Dilara

[storm jungle]

Np

I got an entire artwork repository of 40k art lol

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Can I have some uhhhh

Chaos champions

[storm jungle]

Hold on

[green loom]

This is epic

[storm jungle]

Like i said, I got a collection

[green loom]

You got any Skitarii Rangers/Vanguard?

[rose thorn]

LMAO

That’s funny

I went through the lex list

It sure is a list

[storm jungle]

its goofy af i love it

[rose thorn]

I already have a favroite kabal being the obsidian Rose, my favorite coven is probably the fuclin uhh, phycological terror guys

[green loom]

[rose thorn]

The 12 sounds cool but they seem like a fan club for a character who already has a coven

[storm jungle]

also yeah they pretty much are

the options are limited but theres some good ones

[green loom]

Who needs Pinterest, Dilara is my new ref source

[storm jungle]

Lmao you're welcome

[rose thorn]

Oh my beloved Deimos

Best forge world

[storm jungle]

Deimos is great

literally the grey knight's personal forgeworld lol

[rose thorn]

It’s literally a moon of mars

And sometimes the inquisition has to come in and remove data of its existence

So no one asks what they are doing

[storm jungle]

Oh no i think you are mixing it up

Deimos is entirely allowed to do what they do

its just super classified

[rose thorn]

Oh Hh

[green loom]

It's hard to hide it's existence, less so it's activities

[rose thorn]

Yeah them I got lore mixed up

I love them

It’s fucking xeno tech nerds who caused friendly fire cyber terrorism

I got mixed up with

I can’t remember forge world names

[storm jungle]

Stygies

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

those are the famous Not-Heretek ones

[rose thorn]

God these names are ass

[green loom]

Xenarites

[green loom]

Bezerks, Intercessors, Subductors

[storm jungle]

Deimos itself has no lore aside from what the 8th edition GK codex says

so you can read their entire lore on the wiki

Stygies tho has lots of bullshit

[rose thorn]

HAHDHAHSAHAHAH

[storm jungle]

They also mindwipe the servitors after they all do their jobs

[rose thorn]

“Hey forge world, can we get an infiltrator or any other hover tank?l

“Why would you want to replace the oh mighty land Raider dear knight’

“But- can we get-“

“Shhhh no, take the land raider”

[green loom]

It's more liek

"Give us a Land Raider"
"Are you sure? We could give you a baneblade or maybe a Kn-"
"GIVE. US. A. LAND RAIDER"

[rose thorn]

LMAO, it’s worded in such a way I can’t tell either or

[storm jungle]

Yeah no its just limited production

their entire purpose as a forge is to supply the GK

its a very privelaged situation lol

[rose thorn]

Triple blessing

[storm jungle]

Yeah I always wondered how these houses work

especially since they gotta know the GK exist

[rose thorn]

I imagine they are like thsoe guys who use to be in the CIA or something but after their retirement just literally never talk

[storm jungle]

Ah yeah true

[rose thorn]

Or like

“I am oh great pilot of [REDACTED]”

“[REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED]•

That would be a funny character

Some guy with a loose mouth so he has a servitor who just screams redacted at the top of their lungs

[storm jungle]

Lmao true

[rose thorn]

When ever he almost says something

[storm jungle]

its hard to homebrew because thats their entire lore

theres nothing else

[rose thorn]

I imagine you can’t do a whole house

But if you are running a single knight

You can do a fun lil flavorful character

[storm jungle]

yeee

i should try it at some point

I'm making a heretek from Deimos atm so will need to see how that turns out first

[green loom]

I've been meaning to make a tech priest and Slaanesh or Khorne champ

[storm jungle]

Its a very fun process

you just gotta learn some design basics

or in my case steal them

For example heres a tech priestress heretek comm im getting

[green loom]

Very souls-y

[storm jungle]

🙏

Shes gonna grow you a new limb

[green loom]

Bloodborne mostly

[storm jungle]

Lmao it was mostly Doom concept art but close enough

[green loom]

My digital designs are weaker than traditional stuff I do

[rose thorn]

Oh god imagine a heretek apart of the creations of bike

Bile*

One part chaos, one part Drukahri, one part admech, all parts horrible

[green loom]

Wish my paper style translated to digital better, way more grimdark

[storm jungle]

Honestly hereteks are very open, mine isnt even chaos alligned, you can be declared a Heretek for just doing sensible things the Mechanicus hates.

[green loom]

Like grabbing Tau or necron tech

Xenarite gang

[storm jungle]

YEE BOI

[green loom]

My favourites are still uhhh

The Auxilia Myrmidon

Massive, buff, augmented walking weapon platforms called Siege Enginseers

[arctic talon]

Myrmidon are very cool

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/0f/Myrmadon-destructors1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140505154015

[fresh quiver]

So what's up with the Sigillite?

[fresh quiver]

thoughts

[arctic talon]

What about them lol

They’re tech priests who like murdering stuff

[arctic talon]

He’s dead

His soul got evaporated by the golden throne

Aside from that he’s just an old very very powerful psyker

[rose thorn]

let me check out ye old 8th edition drukahri codex

and pick a cult form there

there is a shocklingly small amount of cults

[arctic talon]

Wych cult?

Yeah

Theres more focus on kabals and covens

Unfortunately

[rose thorn]

shame that all 3 just have a 'main character' subfaction

like covens kinda have 2 which is funny, as the 12 want the mian dude in theres lol

i kinda like the pain eternal

they just do a word bearers pre HH

their goal is

and i like the red grief

[storm jungle]

average Destiny moment

[rose thorn]

honeslty honestly lex does the wych cults kinda dirty

like they make the two paragraphs the minor cults have into like 2 sentences lol

and they got seventh woe

wrong???

they sya they specialize in abusing nids but

their goal is to cause as much despair as opssible

the nids was just

funny thing

they did liek once

[storm jungle]

Yeah i suggest just reading the actual wiki

since its just a copy paste from the codex

LEL

[rose thorn]

LMAO

im reading teh codex now

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

[storm jungle]

this cult is basically "Fuck you guys in particular"

Shoots hip bone

[rose thorn]

blade denied are funny but kinda just a gimmick

just that scene from john wick or something where they just constantly switch between their enemies weapons

[storm jungle]

like i said its hilarious

Cursed Blade are MEME TIER tho fr

[rose thorn]

wrath unbound are really cool

as their gimmick is

drugs

[storm jungle]

detroit time

[rose thorn]

i relaly like pain eternal but no one can agree their colroscheme is pruple or red or blue

[storm jungle]

artwork moment

its okay tho so eh

[rose thorn]

;ole

liek

waht am i even looking at

someone said fucking green

[storm jungle]

yeah the art is very uh

quick-and-done

[rose thorn]

i like the obsidion roses, the dark creed, i wanna pick a blue cult so i have all 3 colors which would be kind acheeky

well roses are like

dark maroon ig

[storm jungle]

its very neat stuff

[rose thorn]

or

which trio look better?

[storm jungle]

Im gonna say first

bottom is not too bad but im biased somewhat

also man cyan hair with red armor is a good fucking look

[rose thorn]

IKR

i thought the cursed blade were kinda dumb

but i realized

'hey literally dying at any second

of beaing near them is kinda great'

accidentally fucking touch them for half a second and just impode

[rose thorn]

shame gw cant fucking paint it for some reason

[storm jungle]

fr fr

[rose thorn]

OH YEAH flayed skull is athing

i

dont know what tehy even do

[storm jungle]

Kabals got lots of gimmicks

theres one where uh

they play the floor is lava

and never touch the planets ground they invade

[rose thorn]

oh thats flayed skull

theres acult that does that too

with a similar colro scheme

but fuck them ig

[storm jungle]

yeah red is uh

not the most unpopular color

[rose thorn]

the wytch cult its like, for flexing reasons

the falyed skull its because they think otehr planets are fucking gross

which is funny

kabal of the iorn thorn is a cool gimmick

that they are a navy

and built the best tanks

but

durkhari dont have tanks

[rose thorn]

do you know if 9th edition added any new cults or kabalds or what evers?

HEHEAHAHh

[green loom]

Just got one of the longer dialogues

Loner and Judge getting along

[storm jungle]

Thats one of the best

[storm jungle]

Basically

9th edition dark eldar had almost zero new content

its literally all copy pasted

[rose thorn]

like all xenos

[storm jungle]

pretty much

i think its literally only marines that got any new lore

[rose thorn]

aand guard

[storm jungle]

every other faction including imps was very half-assed

yep

[rose thorn]

how do you thionk 10th edition subfactions will do

lore wise

i dont liek when whats his name said

subfactions lik e'ultramarines first company'

[green loom]

Psychic Awakening moment

[rose thorn]

[green loom]

Apparently Masozi decked the Bardin VA guy?

I forgor his name haven't played in months

[crystal forum]

is it just me or has GW only removed stuff from astra militarum over the editions

[green loom]

They're done that for everyone to "combat bloat"

[crystal forum]

im fairly new to tabletop. why is bloat considered a bad thing to begin with

i thought this was all about having a way to play your own way

[green loom]

Too much stuff to keep track of, daunting for potential customers

[storm jungle]

Basically what Ede said

but also imagine

you just started playing Marines

you wanna read their rules

then you waste a fucking hour reading all their shit

like that image above is basically horrible

[crystal forum]

yeah and you already spent 3 hours making the models. why is this suddenly a bad thing when it comes to rules

[storm jungle]

oh whoops typo

Its bad because theres way too many options that you dont need

and its just entirely unnecessary

[crystal forum]

isn't that part of the fun? to make every engagement feel different and unique?

[storm jungle]

Ehhh it depends

the basic rules are already pretty varied

Marine ones are just way too much to be fun

Im sure someone can explain it better than me tho lol

[crystal forum]

ok well i'll mention what sparked my interest in the older bloat

[green loom]

It's just Ed

[crystal forum]

militarum tanks seemed to be a lot more individualistic. you could add so many options that are gone

[green loom]

I got to read some of what got deleted

[crystal forum]

now as far as i can tell you can choose a tank's guns, some veteran stuff and maybe add a useless dozer blade or make it a tank commander

oh and add a useless missile

[green loom]

Yeah tis dumbed down

[crystal forum]

i don't get the point of the entire experience if it's not about having a ton of custom options

if i wanted to play a board game i'd go play a board game

[rose thorn]

sorry i know this had nothing to do with the conversation but quick questions

the blades for hire dotn have subfactions right?

they are just mercs

[green loom]

Blades for hire?

[rose thorn]

for drukhari i mean

[green loom]

O

[crystal forum]

idk to me it feels a lot more like GW is trying to appeal to the hardcore competition crowd than the new crowd

[storm jungle]

I mean yeah they are

easy money

[green loom]

It's both

[crystal forum]

"bloat" is just an excuse for not having to balance as much stuff, which yes on a competitive level can be very difficult

[green loom]

Dumbed down is easier to balance and easier to market

Not that they'd balance it

[rose thorn]

i agree with ederius here tbh,

[crystal forum]

there's already a huge entry bar to go over to play tabletop. you can't just passively get into the hobby unless you know somebody who introduced you

[rose thorn]

its weird, but we gotta see when codexes dropped

i think thats why theres combat patrol mode

100 dollars for a box to start

that is hella made easier

[crystal forum]

are the minis pre painted?

[rose thorn]

no but you dont really need ot paint it

[crystal forum]

i saw some starter boxes that came with pre painted minis

[rose thorn]

i think like, a skyrim box and that one new fantasy box did

fantasy tt wargame

uh

[crystal forum]

nah it was an ultamarines vs necron box

[rose thorn]

oh, thats a boardgame

also it wasnt prepained they marketed it like it was lol

[crystal forum]

lmao

[rose thorn]

also it comes with flayed ones

and its cheaper then the fucking flayed one box

lmao

i think it only came iwth like 2

i cant rememebr the box let me find it

[crystal forum]

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Warhammer-40000-Recruit-EN-2020

this is what i was thinking of

[rose thorn]

OH

no none of its paitned

also that box is litearlly the best way to get warriors

was

[crystal forum]

well there's still the 220$ one

[rose thorn]

HUH

thats neat

i didnt expedct that

if you jsut want the models, hop on ebay or amazon and get either command edition and recurit edition, or get elite and recurit

its the cheapest way to get like 100 point army

1000*

not 100 lmao

[arctic talon]

Elite is like

[crystal forum]

my first army will be militarum

[arctic talon]

Almost 500 points lol

I think it’s 470 for marines

[rose thorn]

oh yeah 10th

[arctic talon]

And like 480 for Necrons

[crystal forum]

what about the big one

[arctic talon]

We don’t have 10ths recruit and elite one

[arctic talon]

That’s just terrain

[rose thorn]

its teh same as elite

i mean the poitns cost its different

[crystal forum]

paying premium for something i can do with cardboard

[rose thorn]

porbably by liek 10 points

its good terrain, but its terrain

that use to have unique ruels

but dead af

no more unqiue rules

wati tdid the pipes have rules?

or was that something else

[arctic talon]

They did

You could super charge plasma with em

Or any weapon with the

Explodes

[rose thorn]

god 40k never make terrain with unique rules again please

[arctic talon]

Lol

Fortifications still exist

[rose thorn]

let aos do that

[arctic talon]

Some being good

Others being uh

[rose thorn]

fortifactions is fine it costs points

ignore the knigh's 'fortification'

[arctic talon]

Tbh the terrain specific rules were usually awful

In 40K

They’re only so strong in AOS because you can smash them

[rose thorn]

AOS is cool because its all free and faction specfifc

40k its like

[crystal forum]

so like with the supercharge plasma thing if i get this correctly you can do your first move with a super powerful guy and he can die immediately

[arctic talon]

Lol you can blow yourself up yes

But it did an extra d6 damage and d6 shots

[rose thorn]

'LETS DO THE pipe one!!" the dark angel said to the drukhari

[arctic talon]

But terrain specific rules are gone now

Now it’s just ruins, craters, Ect

[crystal forum]

so if i supercharge a leman russ

[arctic talon]

It’ll fucking die if you roll a 1

[crystal forum]

hypothetically

[arctic talon]

Or it’ll do big hurt

[crystal forum]

it could be a bomb

[fresh quiver]

You sure of that?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Malcador is dead as of the most recent lore we have about it lol

[fresh quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-22255367

[arctic talon]

Like soul is gone and everything

[crystal forum]

breaking news: malcador still dead

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Him being dead is sort of like

A core part of the setting

[crystal forum]

can you imagine

[arctic talon]

It’s why the imperium is so dogshit

[fresh quiver]

You think the Sigilitte is a good guy? lol

[arctic talon]

No

[crystal forum]

girlyman just pulls him out of nowhere

[arctic talon]

But he’s better then the modern imperium

[fresh quiver]

He

is the reason for everything

[arctic talon]

That’s the emperor

Akshully 🤓

[fresh quiver]

Which Emperor?

[arctic talon]

Not the AoS or fantasy one

If you’re doing the stupid emperor and malcador are the same person theory it’s wrong

And it’s been proven to be wrong for a while lol

[crystal forum]

is that even a theory

[arctic talon]

Yes

It was a long time ago

Like 10 years ago lol

[fresh quiver]

I never said that

There is more than one Emperor

there is the actual Emperor

there is Guillaman

[arctic talon]

???????

[fresh quiver]

and there is the guy on Terra

[arctic talon]

Guilliman is not the emperor

What the fuck

Ykw nvm

This isn’t worth my time

[crystal forum]

girlyman never said he was an emperor. i think he'd immediately be called a traitor

[fresh quiver]

Imperium Secundus

[rose thorn]

gulliman is the lord cp,,amder pf tje o,[eroi,

[arctic talon]

He was never the emperor

Of imperial secundus

Lol

[green loom]

Secundus emps was Sanguinius

[arctic talon]

^

[rose thorn]

i mean, lord ocmmander of the imperium lol

[fresh quiver]

who are the 3 primarchs currently in charge?

[crystal forum]

there's 2

[arctic talon]

Just guilliman

[fresh quiver]

Sure but hes dead and the other 2 triumvirs are alive

[arctic talon]

Lion isn’t in charge of anything

Lol

[green loom]

Just Bobby, Lion is still mostly out of the picture

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

uh, dead , gulliman, and big bad headcahe

[fresh quiver]

It's more complicated than what you are told at face value

surely you have... figured that out?

[arctic talon]

[fresh quiver]

the BLOOD angels of BAAL

[green loom]

My mass produced sci fi shlock is deep? Could've fooled me

[fresh quiver]

the Emperor made his deal at MOLECH

[arctic talon]

Are you trying to state some big revelation

[crystal forum]

now this is the type of shit i come here for

[arctic talon]

Because malcador is dead as fuck lol

[green loom]

Fr

[fresh quiver]

Malcador's order has 1000 members

and he sacrificed them all?

in the long night?

That sounds super familiar...

https://tenor.com/view/thousand-sons-dawn-of-war2elite-chaos-marine-portraits-chaos-warhammer40000-gif-22297934

And the Emperor entered a portal at Molech

what happened afterwards?

[arctic talon]

He made a deal with the chaos gods

[fresh quiver]

The planet was home to the ancient Knight House of Devine, who worshiped a snake-like god

[arctic talon]

That’s all we know

[crystal forum]

ferrus manus is still alive and i have the sex tape to prove it

[fresh quiver]

How do you know that?

[arctic talon]

[fresh quiver]

Who says that?

[arctic talon]

It’s literally stated in the books

[crystal forum]

is that before or after the heresy

[green loom]

Way before

[crystal forum]

i vaguely remember something about this

[fresh quiver]

by who?

Alivia Sureka is a servant of the Emperor. An ancient human dating back to at least the 20th century of Terra, she is essentially immortal due to being a Perpetual.

[arctic talon]

By the author of the book

The one who’s writing it

Irl

[fresh quiver]

IN the book

[arctic talon]

I’m done with this conversation

[fresh quiver]

it's a perpetual by the name of Alivia Sureka

who dates from the 1900s.

Alivia means Olive Tree

[crystal forum]

emperor confirmed greek origin??

[arctic talon]

Can you get to the point already with what you want to say

[arctic talon]

Yes

[fresh quiver]

furthermore the Portal was buried in a cave named after Horus

called the Lupercalia

[green loom]

He do be Anatolian

[arctic talon]

^

[fresh quiver]

Not really

more Trojam

Trojan

[crystal forum]

greek god greek god

[green loom]

Which is

[fresh quiver]

Judaic

actually

but that's a whole other conversation

who has 21 sons ?

[arctic talon]

The tribe he was from was Anatolian

[fresh quiver]

technically 22

in History?

[arctic talon]

Where are you getting the 22 from

Lol

It’s 20 + omegon

[fresh quiver]

Alpharius and Omegon

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[fresh quiver]

no

[crystal forum]

oh right the twins

[fresh quiver]

21 Legions

[arctic talon]

There’s 2 missing primarchs

[fresh quiver]

yes so 22

correct

[arctic talon]

Alpharius and omegon had the same legion

[fresh quiver]

ANyways

who has 21 sons

in History?

The 22nd Son isn't actually in Warhammer

but in history who has 21 sons?

[arctic talon]

Why would I give a shit

I’m not someone who looks into much world history lol

[fresh quiver]

Because you want to know who the Emperor is?

[arctic talon]

No

[green loom]

You know who else doesn't look into history
BL writers

[arctic talon]

Lol

True

[green loom]

[fresh quiver]

That's a joke right?

Warhammer is seeped in the real world.

It's fanciful to ignore the parallels

[green loom]

Yeah as seeped as r/HistoryMemes

[crystal forum]

could you please stop edging my reaction and tell us who else has 22 sons

[fresh quiver]

King David

21 technically and Christ

that's why I said 22

[fresh quiver]

Clearly Christ never existed in the Warhammer universe.

[crystal forum]

so the emperor is the biblical king david

[fresh quiver]

Correct

one of his identities

[storm jungle]

No lmao

[crystal forum]

the one who killed goliath or different sect of christianity

[green loom]

We know that like
He might've been Saint George

[storm jungle]

None of the Emperor identities are said out loud in books because its kinda cringe to assume historical figures we know are some fascist roman space hitler

[arctic talon]

We know the Tower of Babel is real in 40K

Kek

[fresh quiver]

Exactly

so if the Sensei are correct we can figure out who else the emperor was

[arctic talon]

I don’t think this matters

[fresh quiver]

also it's presumptious to assume he lived one entire lifetime from then to now

[arctic talon]

The emperor is the emperor

[fresh quiver]

it's very possible he incarnates.

[arctic talon]

He’s a piece of shit

At the end of the day

[fresh quiver]

Debateable.

[arctic talon]

And he’s more of a plot device then a character

[fresh quiver]

Also debateable

[storm jungle]

Hes not a hero character to be looked up to in any way

its not debatable

[arctic talon]

I don’t think Mr. Genocide all aliens peaceful or not

[crystal forum]

so are you saying that the writers intentionally wrote this as an allegory to the bible's king david or did they add clues as to the emperor possibly being him too

[arctic talon]

Is a good person

[fresh quiver]

Those are a very near thing

hard to say

[crystal forum]

what came first the chicken or the egg

[storm jungle]

Bro

[fresh quiver]

What is a good person?

[storm jungle]

GOD

im not fucking doing this lmao

[fresh quiver]

I mean, arguably no human being is fully good

it's an impossibility

[arctic talon]

I think committing genocide against other sapient species

Is pretty abhorrent lol

[fresh quiver]

Debateable

[storm jungle]

Shut up

lmao

[arctic talon]

And also killing people who refuse to join you

[storm jungle]

This is trolling now

like seriously

[fresh quiver]

No, like when we annhilated the neaderthals

[storm jungle]

"Genocide is debatable"

...

[fresh quiver]

they were all cannibals

[storm jungle]

we didnt annahilate them

[arctic talon]

That’s

[fresh quiver]

so we genocided them

[storm jungle]

we outbred them

[arctic talon]

Literally not

[fresh quiver]

yes we did

[storm jungle]

no???

[arctic talon]

What happened

[fresh quiver]

we genocided them

[storm jungle]

what the fuck

[fresh quiver]

Yes we did

[arctic talon]

We didn’t

[fresh quiver]

we did.

lol

[storm jungle]

We didnt

[arctic talon]

You wana cite a source

[fresh quiver]

SUre, we kept and bred with a very small few

[arctic talon]

??????

[fresh quiver]

The Wars in Gaul

[arctic talon]

Again you want to cite a source

On that

[storm jungle]

"It came to me in a dream"

[crystal forum]

i don't think there's enough proof for either claim to be verified 100%

[fresh quiver]

that's the last of them

[arctic talon]

That’s not a source give me a research paper

[fresh quiver]

we genocided the shit out of them

lol

[storm jungle]

Again, source

[fresh quiver]

I mean where are they?

[storm jungle]

...

[arctic talon]

We know Neanderthals weren’t all canibals because of their waste

[storm jungle]

So basically its just you

[fresh quiver]

What

we have proof they were cannibals based on their waste

[crystal forum]

i meant the genocide vs outbred thing

[arctic talon]

Oh

[fresh quiver]

and we genocided all sorts of human beings

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Okay so?

[fresh quiver]

it's been a staple feature until like 2k years ago

[storm jungle]

are you gonna say genocide is debatable again

[arctic talon]

Can you just get it over with

[fresh quiver]

Genocide was the go to

[arctic talon]

Dilara

[storm jungle]

No it was not

yeah okay im done

[fresh quiver]

?

Done with what?

[storm jungle]

Genuinely whats the matter with you

[crystal forum]

what even was the argument about

[arctic talon]

Genocide is okay

Because we clearly did it in the past

[crystal forum]

how did it even come to that lmao

[arctic talon]

Except it’s not clear

[arctic talon]

Because I mentioned the emperor is a genocidal maniac

Lol

[crystal forum]

it started with fucking malcador being alive

[arctic talon]

Yeah idk

[crystal forum]

ok but what if he's alive

[arctic talon]

Then he’s pretty awful for letting the imperium end up the way it is lol

[crystal forum]

this is too funny for me

[arctic talon]

Considering he hates religion

[crystal forum]

what if he just stepped off the golden throne and put some sand where he was to make the emperor think he died

[arctic talon]

I mean

He was still on it

When the emperor got there

He disintegrated a bit after

Unless they change that lore

Since it’s old as shit

[crystal forum]

who else do you think might come back

other than primarchs

[arctic talon]

Uh

[storm jungle]

Like, special character wise?

[arctic talon]

Valdor

[green loom]

Valdoe

[rose thorn]

uh OHh

what happenin

[arctic talon]

Nothing

[rose thorn]

okay

[crystal forum]

yeah people who wouldn't be bone dust from 10k years

[arctic talon]

Valdor is all but confirmed to be back

[storm jungle]

You can scroll up to read it

[crystal forum]

wait i just looked up who that is

[storm jungle]

but yeah like aside from Primarchs I got no idea

YOU DONT KNOW WHO VALDOR IS?

[crystal forum]

and i just found out that astartes are named after somebody called astarte

[arctic talon]

Which is stupid

Bcs Astarte is already a goddess

Lol

[storm jungle]

Wait until he hears about John Lasgun

[arctic talon]

Jimmy space

[green loom]

Or Arkan Land

[crystal forum]

i've only started knowing what 40k was in 2019 lol

[storm jungle]

Lmao I know im joking

[green loom]

I'm shocked you didn't learn more from Foxhole osmosis

[crystal forum]

genuinely when i learned that i laughed so hard

space ships, named after phillip p. space

[crystal forum]

SHUT

[arctic talon]

Arkhan land is funny

He thinks the name is stupid

It’s Land’s assault raider

Technically

[crystal forum]

i literally cannot comprehend lore that comes from the unification wars. what writer gets to talk about shit like that

[arctic talon]

Except it’s just called land raider

[arctic talon]

The ethnocracy

[storm jungle]

Honestly its very basic

the brave lads at lexicanum got it all sorted out and listed

so if you want to read it visit there

[crystal forum]

just the idea of a character who probably know's the emperor's first name

is there a book about these

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

Valdor Birth of the Imperium

[green loom]

[crystal forum]

i wanna actually read this sort of lore that causes people to still talk about it 10 years later

[storm jungle]

EVERYTHING else is covered in HH black books

as like little lore snippets

basically picture like uhh

you are reading about Salamanders

the black book (its a fancier codex) starts as like