40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

Kasrkin, Breachers, etc

[arctic talon]

yeah

[storm jungle]

who all have a pre-set uniform color

[arctic talon]

def

Oh DKOK used a non standard color scheme

[storm jungle]

i do like KT tho so not complaining

[arctic talon]

they didn't use the green one

[storm jungle]

OH YEAH

[arctic talon]

that was constantly used by FW

[rose thorn]

A command squad style unit would be cool for necrons tbh

[storm jungle]

I think they have one?

uhhh

yeah nvm

💀

[rose thorn]

I was originally thinking the killteam would end up being one

[arctic talon]

They have the command barge

ig

[rose thorn]

The cryptek and his retinue

[storm jungle]

Ah nah Kill-teams are always uh

well as the name implies kill-teams

aka spec-ops squads

[arctic talon]

also god that immortal is huge

[rose thorn]

Counter argument, the rogue trader one is an HQ

[storm jungle]

TRUE but like

[arctic talon]

the rogue trader one was made for 1.0

[storm jungle]

in that the boss is actually there

[arctic talon]

which was very different

[storm jungle]

also that

[winter vessel]

Ayyy kasarkin

[arctic talon]

it got ported into 2.0 which amkes it a bit weird

ykw I just realized it

[storm jungle]

Yeah the Starstriders were pretty much "we walked so the other kill-teams could run"

[arctic talon]

if they don't have an existing paint scheme for a killteam esque faction

they aren't gona repaint them or paint new ones

its why the pathfinders are Vior-la

[rose thorn]

And I have no clue how gw made it barely work with the navy

[arctic talon]

Navy breachers are really good rn funnily enough

they counter harlequins and custodes

[shadow plover]

Gotta get that Necron KT set and make Mentep and Lysikor out of it

[rose thorn]

Like for 5 minutes for some weird reason it technically couldn’t buff breachers on table top

But they fixed it so,

In 9th if was very not worth it because its 2 agent kill teams

[arctic talon]

Its bcs they had breachers and navy

had 2 seperate keywords

for some reason

[rose thorn]

Yeah

Lmao

And adding agents broke in omens

[arctic talon]

this is prolly my favorite killteam like terrain piece

[rose thorn]

But that was expected

[arctic talon]

its so goofy

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah it has rules doenst it

[arctic talon]

Yeah you can get an operative to turn it on

and it shoots shit for you

[rose thorn]

Imagine fighting a tyranid and it turns it on

The fucking genestealer is armed

[storm jungle]

mfing bugs legit just found the ON button

[arctic talon]

the genestealer has a stormbolter on wheels

be scared

[rose thorn]

It got taht one wheelchair from dead rising 2

[storm jungle]

lmaooo

that brings me back

[arctic talon]

lmao

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-wheelchair-gif-10750835

[storm jungle]

https://i.imgur.com/8kUZU7t.gif

GET EM

[rose thorn]

YEAH LMAO

I love how it had zero animations

[storm jungle]

Same

these are the sorts of STCs the mechanicus doesnt want you to discover

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-rising-saint556-gif-20848295

Orks making a helmet that can insta kill Tyranids

[storm jungle]

sdlkflksd

Chuck Greene on his way to fix the golden throne on a fucking wooden toolbench

[arctic talon]

god the eavy metal team style does not lend to doing faces well

at all lmao

[storm jungle]

pain

[rose thorn]

He’s about to add a laptop and make a nuke

[arctic talon]

They edge highlighted everything lmao

[storm jungle]

its not THAT bad

i always liked that in that DE scheme

[rose thorn]

Okay teh uh, priate lord I forgot the name looks great

Witches look ass

[arctic talon]

the scheme is nice

[rose thorn]

In the same way demonettes look ass

[arctic talon]

but the faces just look

weird

[winter vessel]

Didn't know they made mini's on college sorority groups.

[arctic talon]

they edge highlight way too much

on faces

[shadow plover]

It works fine with Eldar I think

[arctic talon]

the old archon looked better imo

[tough haven]

Orks can kinda do whatever they want if they want it enough

[arctic talon]

the new one looks too like

uptight?

[tough haven]

and I love it

[rose thorn]

I forgot did the boats come with witches models too? I know it did with the normal pirates

[arctic talon]

They do

[rose thorn]

Holy shit he’s hot cool

[arctic talon]

The boat is insane value if you don't wana have wyches and kabalites hanging off it

[rose thorn]

Oh fuck yeah I couldn’t remember if it came with wyches

How do they compare?

[arctic talon]

In terms of being good units?

[rose thorn]

my broke ass wanting to start 5 armies

I mean how they look

[arctic talon]

rn Druhkari are very good at shooting

oh

[rose thorn]

The boat wyches to the foot ones

[arctic talon]

you can't tell the difference

they're arguably better

[rose thorn]

Ah

Lmao

[arctic talon]

since the kit is newer lol

so the sculpting is better

[rose thorn]

I’ve been scrolling eBay waiting for people to doom selling their armies

[arctic talon]

it really stands out for the warriors bcs these guys were the last hand designed minatures ever

there's some lost charm in that

but kabalite warriors were the final hand sculpted mini

[green loom]

My broke ass wanting to buy one squad

[rose thorn]

Same

[green loom]

I've had all my money taken twice this month

[rose thorn]

I can’t fucking 3d print because my hosue has zero ventilation

[shadow plover]

My working ass not having the time to paint 4 armies I've already bought

[arctic talon]

you can 3d print once/s

[tough haven]

I feel that, also just not being willing to even spend that much money

[rose thorn]

The corners of my room still smell like resin

[green loom]

The people I work for don't pay me and also take my money

[rose thorn]

And it was a fail print too lol

[shadow plover]

Wow

[rose thorn]

Oh shit imma sleep so I can actually do my college work tomrorow lol

[arctic talon]

Do that

[green loom]

I have university at the same time

I really need to start those commissions lmao

[astral whale]

This is what the Primaris should have been.

;-;

[copper slate]

I think I'll have Asha and her Railjack + docked Orbiter, after an unplanned Void jump courtesy of Manny, be spat out by the newly birthed Cicatrix Maledictum... thankfully well away from any of the combat zones.

[crimson kayak]

I still find it funny that Tenno Railjack use a Finger to control their void jumps (Reliquary Drive)

[copper slate]

Or maybe I'll never explain why. Hmm...

Another big question, which Asartes Chapter meets a Warframe first?

[crimson kayak]

Also yeah, either you make a point in space where like, void and warp are mixing together or shit like that or just pop them into it Duviri style

[green loom]

Whoever's nearby

Maybe these goons

[crimson kayak]

Oh God having a warframe dropped on the Nachmund rift would be a shitshow as everyone is punching each other into oblivion, I like it

[green loom]

Just chaotic enough for them to maybe not question it

[copper slate]

Salamanders? They often focus on protecting Civilians, so maybe a Warframe helps them out by splitting the enemies' attentions?

[green loom]

Since Nachmund is just this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFk0SFZbey8&t=13s&ab_channel=BingeSociety

[green loom]

Also incredibly Stubborn

Annoyingly so

[crimson kayak]

Tbh i think the main problem is that if anyone is gonna see the frame and not the drifter/operator, it will be most surely treated as either daemon or xeno

[copper slate]

Fair point...

[crimson kayak]

Imo you should introduce them just as DE did before making them space nuclear bombs, give them back their space ninja unseen boogeyman vibe

[green loom]

Meeting radical ordo xenos or Stygians is probably your best shot for non hostile stuffs

[crimson kayak]

Or yeah, something like a really radical Inquisitor or hell, an outright rogue trader too

[green loom]

Itd be like dealing with the Corpus

Except way more fashionable

[crimson kayak]

Block

[crimson kayak]

Have them meet a modern Cabal or something just for the lolz

[green loom]

I can imagine answers that aren't just "Durr heresy" are hard to find

[copper slate]

Either one could also have an 'eccentric' Magos in their employee. A Magos who is fascinated by the 'biomachina' construct. Particularly when it becomes clear that they are not an Abominal Intelligence.

[green loom]

Yeah a Stygian

[crimson kayak]

Literally just a biologis

[green loom]

Stygians are crazy

All the other Admech hate them because they steal all the alien toys

[crimson kayak]

Isn't that Xenarites?

Anyhow as always, just remember to Never show the Helminth to any imperial persona

Also have you thought already about possibly changing warframe powers to match the dissonance of warp and void?

[celest dome]

Isn't that Ryza that is quite Xenarite permissible ?

[copper slate]

Orbiter is 'PRIVATE QUARTERS'.

[green loom]

Ryza is the run down one with tons of experimental gear

[crimson kayak]

Stygies VIII

But the xenarite sect got thrown into the undergrounds of the planet by the inquisition

[green loom]

Still there though

None can forget fan favourite Scaevola

[crimson kayak]

Ye, I also like it cause it's 8 forge moons orbiting a gas giant

Wich is bonkers

[crimson kayak]

Stripmine the tomb NOW

[green loom]

I remembered Videx being worse

But he and Scaevola even agree sometimes

[celest dome]

Videx was more the Cult side of the Admech, while Scaevola was the loot gremlin side

[green loom]

Kephra best though

[crimson kayak]

Like idk, limbo trying to do his dimensional abilities and accidentally summoning a daemon

[green loom]

The two skitarii questgivers are based

[crimson kayak]

Ye, always went for skitarii/scaevola missions when possible

[celest dome]

Which is the second ?

Khepra is often considered/named as a Skitarius (Though I don't think she really is)

[crimson kayak]

Sub-Domina

so she's a Dominus in training

[celest dome]

Dominus are Magos (Or Tech Priest?), can Skitarius become Tech Priest ?

[storm jungle]

Skits cant become techpriests no

they are basically stuck to their job

To be a techpriest you need to be a part of the main cult mechanicus

[celest dome]

The highest they can obtain is Skitarii Marshal

Though could a Skitarius enter the Cult Mechanicus

[storm jungle]

Again not really, they are bred to be soldiers

sometimes literally through vats

[celest dome]

Tech Priests aren't born TP though

[storm jungle]

Some are some arent

Skitarii are assigned to be soldiers, they cant go beyond that

especially when most Magi consider them to be cannon fodder

[crimson kayak]

yep, also remember that something like Khepra and her Skitarii not being emotionally lobotomized and indoctrinated to hell and back is kind of an oddity

[storm jungle]

Kinda, it entirely depends on the forgeworld

we mostly see the darker side of these because well 40k

Some skitarii are very much normal troops but the lore represents most as meat-robots basically

[crimson kayak]

ye

[storm jungle]

Faustinius is also a very pragmatic but good leader so its probably why he lets a lot of this fly.

it also helps that some of the more cold members of the expedition do note that "Lmao fuck your skitarii, go do your job"

so its not all sunshines and flowers

[celest dome]

Codex usually has them as pseudo Servitor, while books often have them keep a personality of sort

[storm jungle]

Yeah its just narrative dissonance

same as how space marines are said to be brainwashed to not be human but act fully human in books

Because authors realise writing about faceless gun-people is very boring

[crimson kayak]

uh, reading a bit of the wrath and glory book and im starting to like the absolvers

[crimson kayak]

god i forgot that in Italian Bolters are called Requiem rifles

[celest dome]

Nice name

[crimson kayak]

until this happens and in english it would be "Captain with Long Range Heavy Perfected Requiem Rifle"

[celest dome]

French kept it as Bolter

[crimson kayak]

while in the english website it's just Master Crafted Heavy Boltrifle

[near wasp]

What model is that

Oh nvm

I just had to open my eyes xD

[crimson kayak]

also love how Helbrecht High Marshal model in italian it's named the SUPREME MARSHAL

[celest dome]

I'd readily believe that this is part of a Harlequin units

[crimson kayak]

could easily pass as a shadowseer with the plain mask

[celest dome]

Ye

[tropic olive]

Is Trajann Valoris the greatest warrior ever existed?

[near wasp]

No

Constantine valdor is the superior custode, and there are warriors who are greater than custodes, the first coming to mind being the primarchs

Also the greatest warriors who ever existed likely come from the war in heaven where everything was super strong

[celest dome]

From human genestock, it's most likely one of the Perpetual, like the Emp or something

I'd love a Perpetual, who is just a normal human, but is just a great warrior, like Aborash, and who can go toe to toe with SM, Custodes and even Greater Deamon with ease due to being fighting for ages

[tropic olive]

I was browsing through the custodes on Lexicanum and I came across this line

[storm jungle]

Thats mostly just fake-hype text

[tropic olive]

i see

[near wasp]

Thats before any primarchs reentered the setting

And since its only the imperium it might be true

[tropic olive]

damn

[tropic olive]

I see that both the Primarchs and the Custodes can lay claim to this title

[crimson kayak]

get a first edition tech priest

[celest dome]

Tech Priest ?

[crimson kayak]

apparently

[celest dome]

Tech Marine or Wolf Priest I would have understood, but Tech Priest ?

[crimson kayak]

tube marine

can confirm lol

there's also the other one

[celest dome]

Well that does look more like a Tech Priest already

[rose thorn]

That is just the t45 power armor helmet Lmao

[astral whale]

No. Kitten best Captain General.

[near wasp]

As much as i love tts, no ||you marsy boys killed him over some protocol||

[celest dome]

In all fairness it was Cawls' buy, the normal Admech is innocent (Or appear to be)

[uneven temple]

See inquisitor heldane wasn't weird, he was just trying to emulate his favorite mini

Don't let your dreams be dreams kids

[crimson kayak]

and also remember "in the imperium", Costantin is currently off the hook

[green loom]

Probably no equivalent to the English "High" in Italian
Supreme works well enough

And means basically the same thing

[crimson kayak]

ye but it's funny cause the italian versions are a weird mix of direct translation, full on adaptation with different terms or sometimes not even trying to translate and just copy paste the english name

with no pattern what'soever

[tropic olive]

So valdor is the greatest heroes the imperium has ever know ?

[crimson kayak]

The man has an entire book to just spell his titles

And is also the first custodian (allegedly)

[torpid narwhal]

Hey I can talk again

I got a week mute

[crimson kayak]

Hello there

[torpid narwhal]

No idea why

[tropic olive]

Okay thanks

[tropic olive]

Hi

[torpid narwhal]

Hi

[crimson kayak]

Just gonna say this through Valdor's on a bit of a weird spot rn but going further would mean big spoilers for books

But basically you can consider him at the very least on par with the Primarch's

[tropic olive]

Okay, I won't spoil me his story too much

[crimson kayak]

Ye it's far into the eisenhorn/ravenor/bequin series of books

[shadow plover]

well uhh

yeah

[crimson kayak]

Wich now that I think about it i should recover the ravenor books

[torpid narwhal]

I'm waiting for a reprint

Any day now

[shadow plover]

Think I saw a conversation about this a couple days back

[pine wedge]

What

I should really read the Bequin books because I don’t remember anything about Constantin Valdor in Eisenhorn or Ravenor lol

[near wasp]

Morty just cant get a break

[crimson kayak]

And you guessed it, its exactly on Bequin books lol

[shadow plover]

y'all spoiling a major reveal in the series, it was such a cool moment to learn on your own 😩

[crimson kayak]

Just wanted to tell him all the connected books so he can pick up all of them

[green loom]

That's why it's tagged as spoilers

[crimson kayak]

Lol

I'm actively trying to be as vague as possiblr

[rose thorn]

Pre HH what the fuck was death gaurd even for

I know the dusk riders were like, a beefy shock assault thing

But when Mortarion came along what did he even do

[celest dome]

Same as the other Legion

[rose thorn]

What was his specialization

Having thicker armor???

[green loom]

Chemical warfare, being able to stomach horrible planets

Gunning down civilians

[arctic talon]

Chemical warfare, warcrimes, psyker extermination, long term battles in horrible environments

[rose thorn]

Oh I see

[arctic talon]

They also had

like the 2nd largest destroyer like

portion of any legion

[rose thorn]

ignore the fact that death gaurd pykers are pretty good

[arctic talon]

first place goes to the night lords

[rose thorn]

So just the dirty work

The morally ignorable

[arctic talon]

to an extent

but they were respected for it

unlike the iron warriors

Also they're really good at dealing with shit terrain and urban warfare

they straight up ignore movement modifers in HH to represent that

[crisp heath]

Phosphex weaponry

[arctic talon]

yeah that also

they really really liked phosphex

[celest dome]

Cause they weren't whiny b# about it

[arctic talon]

oh they did complain about the really shit ones

but they didn't complain about the like just shit ones

[celest dome]

Who wouldn't, unless you're the one on the other side of the barrel

[arctic talon]

tbh Blood angels and death guard are

ironically very similar

in terms of the things they're sent to deal with

they like fighting on shit planets

and they enjoy it to an extent

[plush mason]

why are the blood angels known for their speed anyway?

well specifically their alacrity which is just the speed someone/thing reactions or responds to something iirc

[arctic talon]

They get hyped up on blood like it’s a combat drug

And yeah they’re faster then other marines on average

They also prefer shock assault tactics and getting into melee

[plush mason]

ah

so a lot of jumppacks i imagine

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Despoilers and assault teams are like

Their specialty

And they straight up strapped jets to a dreadnought

So it can fly in

[storm jungle]

Fucking love that meme thank you lmao

[shadow plover]

[rose thorn]

Im surprised the imperium don’t make more servitors out of Xenos

I mean an eldar servitor sounds horrible

[green loom]

The human form is holy, the vile xenos deserve only to be destroyed

Or something

[merry prism]

suffer not the xenos to live

[storm jungle]

Humans are also easier to mutilate

[rose thorn]

True

Imagine shoving a butchers nails into an eldar tho

That would be torture for them

[storm jungle]

Eldar dont super need something like that because they already can experience intense emotions if they get a bloodlust going

mostly due to Khaine

[rose thorn]

Making drukhari into a servitor would be torture for them

[green loom]

That's what war masks are

[rose thorn]

They are still a little bit alive

[crimson kayak]

Ye, also something something Eldar have much more heightened emotions than humans

[celest dome]

That is torture to anyone

[rose thorn]

Yeah but especially for a Drukahri

Just make them organize books

[green loom]

Oh they'd just expire

[rose thorn]

The most mundane existence posisble

[green loom]

Drukhari straight up die if they go without torture for too long

[crisp heath]

I'm pretty sure they can make do with just getting high if they're young enough

iirc Drukhari can survive as long as they are constantly one-upping themselves and young drukhari are not much worse than human addicts, so the trick is to servitorize a teenage drukhari and make a timed release system to flood it's system with heroin

[crystal forum]

why would you even want to make servitors out of them if it's so hard

they're just becoming robotic slaves anyways

[crisp heath]

As a prank

[crystal forum]

just torture them and get it over with

Put a drukari in a sensory deprivation chamber

[stark cargo]

That. Also it defiles the machines to be installed in Xenos.

That said, someone created Orc servitors

[blazing minnow]

is that top right sternguard veteran a primaris marine wearing a firstborn helmet?

[green loom]

Ye

It's been a thing for a while, iirc some upgrade kits had them

[blazing minnow]

kinda rocks it

[green loom]

I prefer beaks for Vets

[arctic talon]

Primaris and firstborn mix armor decently frequently nowadays

[crimson kayak]

Not Canon but it is an official mini

[waxen wave]

I have a lore question. So are suits of terminator armor given to any marine or is it like high ranking, the best of the best type thing?

[arctic talon]

Only to veterans of the first company

[uneven temple]

Unless you're force commander hairgel, in which case he won't stop at mere terminator armor and will proceed to utilize custodes armor as well

[arctic talon]

tbh he's prolly a veteran so the termie makes sense

the random pieces of custodes and primarch gear are funny tho

[winter vessel]

Learning about the Fire Angels, they seem to be the only other chapter besides the Black Templars that adhere to the Imperial Creed.

And these guys are a 25th founding? They’ve only been around for less than 2000 standard Terran years.

[uneven temple]

Silver Skulls as well

[winter vessel]

And an interesting combat doctrine, they seem to amass larger numbers of predators, whirlwinds, and vindicator siege tanks than other well known chapters.

They seem like a less, religious fanatical variant of the Black Templars. Which is kinda cool.

[crystal forum]

anybody got images of assorted autoguns

[arctic talon]

are assorted images okay?

@crystal forum here

Images 7 and 8 are ork autoguns

[summer rover]

middle one's a rippa gun, them's ain't autoguns but automatic shotguns for ogryn.

[crystal forum]

this works too but i'd appreciate images i can't find on the lexicanum lol

[arctic talon]

there isn't that much autogun art

I'll find images from RPG source books

brb

[summer rover]

i could pull image from rogue trader but them's old and 40k players seem to hate it when i dredge up old art.

[arctic talon]

tbh better to have old refrences then no refrences

especially since there's so little autogun lore

and art

[summer rover]

there are a lot of people that disagree with you.

[arctic talon]

Well

you should stab them

(in minecraft)

[summer rover]

also they're autoguns, they don't need lore, they're caseless automatic weapons.

[crimson kayak]

Tbf, an autogun is just, well, a gun

[summer rover]

not anyone's fault GW doesn't know what caseless means.

[arctic talon]

I more so meant varaities

tbh

[summer rover]

there weren't. there's whatever images i might pull out of necromunda and maybe armageddon's skirmish thing.

[crystal forum]

i'm getting the impression that an autogun can look like anything

[green loom]

Probably yeah

[summer rover]

they're guns. they look like a gun.

just slap an eagle on the side.

[storm jungle]

They are basically just brutalist firearms yeah

most of them are just modern guns we have now but with a box body

Like these are just a fucking mac10

[summer rover]

because the imperium makes guns suitable for pistol-whipping slaves.

[crystal forum]

so my DIY pdf forces aren't out of style for using WW2 era weapons

[storm jungle]

Nope

what are you having them use btw

[crystal forum]

well i don't have access to models nor my 3d printer up here so it's literally toy soldiers

[storm jungle]

Damn 😩

also hold up i remembered i had some autogun chart

[crystal forum]

look at this bad boy

found him on the ground

[storm jungle]

eyyy thats a classic

[arctic talon]

this is a bolter right

[summer rover]

probably the escher gun diagram

[arctic talon]

I'm like 95% sure

its a bolter

[summer rover]

that's a bolter, yeah. can tell by the muzzle

[storm jungle]

Escher guns are literally just normal weapons with a curved handle

[arctic talon]

also here's an autopistol

its from imperial malidictum

[storm jungle]

mfers legit just took the old art

and put a tech grid on it

[crystal forum]

i wanna like cut the guns apart and glue them together to make monstrosities

[storm jungle]

Honestly thats how you do most 40k weapons

give it a whirl

[arctic talon]

^

[crystal forum]

the only issue is that guy in the picture is the size of a primaris

[arctic talon]

another autopistol

this one looks very anorexic

for a 40k gun

[crystal forum]

lol

[storm jungle]

Some darktide ones

[crystal forum]

love how a 44 magnum could be considered anorexic

[arctic talon]

this is also an autogun

I think

[storm jungle]

yeah it is

[arctic talon]

40k guns are super oversized lol

[storm jungle]

its the M16 looking one

you can tell by the fucking uh

triangle at the bottom barrel

[crystal forum]

40k is so cool

[storm jungle]

I love how you can tell

the artists just use the only pre-existing autogun looks

because theres no fucking art of anything else

[arctic talon]

not related but the psychich disiplinces art is cool as shit

in malidictum

[crystal forum]

i like how the agripinaa autogun looks like a lasgun but stone age

[storm jungle]

ikr

[crystal forum]

you can see the design evolution

[storm jungle]

speaking of

some shit i nabbed from joyreactor

all pistols but eh

[storm jungle]

me looking into general-chat

[arctic talon]

take a wild guess what sort of psyker discipline this represents

[crystal forum]

peace and harmony

[arctic talon]

close

[summer rover]

the discipline of understanding the canon.

[arctic talon]

I think this is an auto weapon?

its a rifle of some sorts

[storm jungle]

Yeah it is

has a YEE YEE ASS suppressor

[crystal forum]

my photons are silenced

[arctic talon]

more autoguns

[crystal forum]

i really prefer the chunky look of autoguns over lasguns i'll be honest

[arctic talon]

another autopistol

[crystal forum]

also bullet guns just feel more relatable idk

[green loom]

Custom furnished Space M16 with laser, ACOG and suppressor

[green loom]

They're more satisfying
Unless it's something big like plasma

[crystal forum]

that light beam through the fog is awesome

[green loom]

Just general?

[arctic talon]

I think these are autoguns

[crystal forum]

yeah! they're flashy, loud and unsubtle. they're way more 40k for me

[green loom]

I think those are just random blocks vaguely shaped like weapons

[crystal forum]

just imagine how loud those big ass rounds are

[arctic talon]

same with these

bonus medkit

[crystal forum]

im liking this art

forbidden kool aid

[green loom]

I wish I could art like that

[storm jungle]

To be fair thats an unfair comparison

a lot of these guys are pro freelancers

[green loom]

I know

[storm jungle]

Death

[crystal forum]

kill

what if michael bay directed a 40k movie about the horus heresy

[green loom]

It could be pretty based tbh

[arctic talon]

not enough hot women

he can't do the thing

he does to every movie

[storm jungle]

also he cant advertise the U.S military

[arctic talon]

also this is a fun plothook

[crystal forum]

we'd be guaranteed to have like 10 movies

[green loom]

Pay an overrated model to pretend she can act?

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

GunFeds

Literally can use the merican gunfeds

or whatever the fuck

that old 100 regiment was called

[crystal forum]

he'd try to cram in Chinese characters for that sweet sweet foreign ticket sales money

[green loom]

I'm avoiding making comparisons so I'm not accidentally racist

[crystal forum]

horus we must travel to ancient beijing

[arctic talon]

new preacher cosmetic just dropped

[storm jungle]

god im laughing so hard in my room rn

[storm jungle]

also based

i think uh

my favorite thing with this new RPG range has been people remembering other ethnicities exist in 40k

[arctic talon]

this is certianly a use for servitors

Do you have something to confess

Why not do it to this wonderful guy

[green loom]

They remembered with those 40k books where they complained about a black space marine

[storm jungle]

Yeah im not even joking like

if you look at every other 40k RPG book/artwork

its ALL white people

its actually mental lmao

[green loom]

I remember the flood of videos from the not so subtle channels about it

[storm jungle]

that sure was an "incident"

[crystal forum]

you didn't notice that the only black astartes chapter is caused by a mutation

[storm jungle]

that too

[arctic talon]

holy fuck tech priests are jacked in this RPG

what the actual fuck is this stat block lol

[green loom]

Yeah but they aren't African black they're jet black

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Thank fuck they aren't the only chapter of black astartes now

[green loom]

Literally charred skin

[arctic talon]

and the rest have

more normal skin colors

but still 💀

[green loom]

Ultramarines should be more olive coloured

[storm jungle]

Plus size psyker lady

[green loom]

This is anti italian discrimination

[storm jungle]

perish

[arctic talon]

I saw this so now you all ahve to see this as well

[green loom]

Idk cherubim have been a thing for a while

[crystal forum]

Mc esher type shit

[storm jungle]

thats not cherubs

thats a servo with a baby-face

that artist does them a lot, it sgreat

[arctic talon]

That isn't a cherub

[storm jungle]

YEEE

[arctic talon]

Its a servoskull with a baby face lol

[green loom]

What a strange quirk

[storm jungle]

he has another one

uhhh

the art of terra 1 sec

[green loom]

"The baby serivtor guy"

[storm jungle]

its extremely Giger

[arctic talon]

ngl

I don't blame him for it

[crystal forum]

btw how cannon is 40k art usually

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah same

[arctic talon]

all of it is canon

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

regarding like

art in books

[crystal forum]

people always use 40k art but i can never tell if it's fanmade or cannon

[storm jungle]

if its an artwork in any GW pushlishing its canon

[arctic talon]

this is some horrifying ass Nid art

[storm jungle]

official 40k art is very easy to tell apart

[arctic talon]

holy shit lol

[green loom]

It's all canon it's just unfeasible to import that amount of detail to anims and games

[arctic talon]

Official 40k art is much more

idk

[green loom]

I think only Lord Inquisitor did it

[arctic talon]

it looks blury almost

[storm jungle]

Also its mostly because GW has kinda lost all their in-studio artists.

[arctic talon]

like its an oil painting

most of the time

[storm jungle]

They always hire freelancers now

[arctic talon]

yeah also that

[storm jungle]

so the style changes a lot

[green loom]

The same 6 or so

[crystal forum]

who did the older art

[storm jungle]

uhh

[crystal forum]

it looks very similar

[storm jungle]

a lot of people

[arctic talon]

average imperium L

[green loom]

Dabanaworks, Miguel, some others I forgor

[storm jungle]

majorily Adrian Smith and Karl Kopinski

David Gallagher too

[crystal forum]

that plasma pistol doing jack shit

[rancid dock]

so what would faction soldiers(imperial guardsmen, space marines, the stuff) do in their offtime
you know, if they do get any at all
also a funny mechanicus screenshot

[green loom]

Dabanaworks is my favourite

[arctic talon]

pray, do whatever hobbies they have

train

[crystal forum]

space marines get a shit ton of off time

[arctic talon]

^

its usually all training

sometimes some art

depending on the chapter

[rancid dock]

ooh right I just remembered that Salamanders get visit their home worlds or something like that

how nice

[green loom]

Marines train or do hobbies provided chapter culture or time permits(blood angels do art etc)
Guard = see any military out of combat(morons goofing off to stave off dread and boredom)

[arctic talon]

they get to visit their families

as in clan family

they don't know their parents lol

[crystal forum]

guardsmen probably just go in rotations or whatever depending on their regiment

[storm jungle]

Also @crystal forum im gonna pass this PDF and its not technically pirating since you cant buy this thing anywhere anymore but here

Its a big collection of the artworks of old 40k artists, lots of good stuff in this.

[crystal forum]

blessed be the holy torrent

[green loom]

Yar har hoist the colours and all that

[storm jungle]

🙏

Suggest everyone to check it out, its a literal time capsule

[rancid dock]

I'd love to see videos of guardsmen doing random goofy stuff in their barracks(and probably ending with them getting shot by the angry commissar)

[green loom]

Barracks?

[rancid dock]

or.. whatever you call it

where they hang around

[green loom]

We don't got luxuries like that

[rancid dock]

they're probably in a trench 24/7 now that you mention it

[summer rover]

i don't think you know what a barraks is.

[crystal forum]

woah art of the emperor that isn't the 4 images you see a million times 🙀

[arctic talon]

This is a funny peril of the warp

[rancid dock]

I used a random word that came to mind please do not tie me to a pole and shoot me

[green loom]

It's a US president

[summer rover]

no, you were fine the other dude was a clown.

[green loom]

Idk as far as I've read the guard usually don't get actual housing

[storm jungle]

Yeah it majorily depends

because regiments are vastly differetn

[crystal forum]

i'll have to remember that link because i can't save it on my phone

[arctic talon]

💀

who the fuck is gona drink

the statue blood

[green loom]

You may be overestimating the average imperial's intelligence

[crystal forum]

blood is probably more nutrition than they get in a month

[green loom]

I need to draw my marines gardening

[crystal forum]

you think that catachan has gardens

[green loom]

Does burning down the forest around settlements daily count as gardening?

[arctic talon]

Drinking a crying statues blood seems like a terrible idea

[crystal forum]

in a cosmic sort of way, yes

[green loom]

Then yeah probably, apparently the forest is very aggressive when it comes to growing over things so they have to keep it in check

[crystal forum]

my gardening tools are:
spade
trowel
rake
M2 flamethrower

[green loom]

And the best one
Macro cannosn

[winter vessel]

I don't like where that Daemonette's hand is going. Could be worse, she might've used her claw instead.

[nocturne crest]

Are the Ashen Claws the only black shields group still around in 40k?

[torpid narwhal]

its been like 2 months and people on the steam forum for rogue trader are still mad i called the space wolfs space furrys

[storm jungle]

To be fair

Steam Forums

[torpid narwhal]

i get like 2 messages a day

[storm jungle]

when Darktide got announced they were filled with racists/sexists saying women shouldnt be fightign a war

and hanging back making babies instead, which is just what the fuck

Most 40k steam forums in general tend to be shitshows

or people stuck in 2012

[storm jungle]

Only outright said ones but nothing in the lore really stops there from being other Renegade astartes elements out there.

[torpid narwhal]

its over 50 pages now

[winter vessel]

It's the nature of us humans to find something to complain about, no matter how smooth brained they are on a specific topic they make a fuss about. Their future ended in high school, so now they spend their lives glued to the screen to find something to gain validation from strangers. Same loop, different day. Like servitors trudging around in a forge world.

[torpid narwhal]

most of the time its people saying how bad the ultra marines are and i just dont understand the space wolfs

[arctic talon]

💀

[torpid narwhal]

or people asking for real furrys in warhammer

[storm jungle]

Yeah it got to a point that one of the community managers had to step in and tell them to stop.

[winter vessel]

cough abhumans

[storm jungle]

This was back when the game had one fucking trailer

💀

they were REALLY losing their minds over the asian zealot on the poster

[storm jungle]

Also disliking space wolves is completely normal

it was considered "taboo" once but its really not anymore

they are a meme chapter

[winter vessel]

I was actually happy about that, not sure what the other crackheads been smoking. It's a minor thing, but I've rarely seen any notable human to be of Asian descent, outside of Khan and Katsuhiro

[near wasp]

Id take offense to that if it were not true

[storm jungle]

Its mostly due to GW being lazy when it comes to presenting other ethnicities in the Imperium.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Also they’re British so

[queen laurel]

Bro it would have been better if they were a chapter just composed of giant enhanced wolves that the other chapters can recruit as a pet

[storm jungle]

Before the new Wrath and Glory literally every person you'd see inside the artwork of RPG books were white people

[arctic talon]

They default to space British people

[storm jungle]

Yeah this

its mostly just uncreativity

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

like go look at old 40k art

you will not find a SINGLE non-white person

its actually hilarious

[arctic talon]

Also they don’t want to offend people either I’d assume

But that ship sailed a long time ago

[storm jungle]

even fucking Tallarn were just white dudes in beduin clothes which is about as racist as you can get

[winter vessel]

Like naming a tank Leman Russ?

[arctic talon]

They’re Arabic now at least

[queen laurel]

It's because of this that We don't really get a lot of creative ideas and you know explore a lot more dark topics because some group will get offended eventually

[arctic talon]

Tbh GW has ran out of shits to give nowadays imo

[winter vessel]

looks at casing of Clone Fulgrim with a sign that says "Break in case of running out of Content"

[near wasp]

You know that glass will never be broken right

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

I will never get people's obsession with clone fulgrim

its literally a throwaway plotpoint

[arctic talon]

The writer himself regrets clone grim lmao

[storm jungle]

^

[queen laurel]

Also another pro of the orks, since they are simple people it works to their advantage that their names are simple, my brother in Christ they literally named the one of their spaceships ROK

[arctic talon]

The writer said he opened Pandora’s box with it

[winter vessel]

It's not my hope, Just making a point on GW's "creativity"

[arctic talon]

But it’s too late bcs that’s how he pitched it lol

[arctic talon]

Lol fair

[queen laurel]

Creativity ?

Gw had that?

[winter vessel]

An old cousin of mine still remembers the day squats were discontinued in the 90s. He said "GW's gonna bring em back when they start panicking for new ideas." with Votann, he was technically right.

[queen laurel]

Yeah, the thing is with 40k they have a lot of spare content ready when they are running out

Like the next thing you know this imprisoned thingamajig just got out and now everyone has to help each other to kill it because it's god damn way too powerful for its own sake

[crimson kayak]

He's gonna pull a Monster hunter movie move

[crimson kayak]

The Dieprian Mountain Men approve this message
And got stomped by the Tau

[rose thorn]

Hey one of the important characters Is black

Idk if he still alive

Let me check

Never mind

He

Isn’t a tallarn character lmao

NEVER MIND

FOUND HIM

Alrahem

I might buy this model he’s a cool character

He saved a bunch of tribes from a virus bombing by the inquisition

And also tricked the eldar into cornering them selves by fortifying a pointless position

And literally took the head of an Autarch

[summer rover]

this man's boots have more drip than all of cadia's guard.

[stark cargo]

Agreed. Though I'm glad that "big players" like GW and WotC are noticing now, and make their newer products a bit less cringe.

Turning the 40k setting around might take longer. A lot of named characters are already set.

[summer rover]

in a setting defined by literally everyone being comically evil in different ways, i see no reason to worry about inclusion. nobody should want to be included in any of these groups and if you look at warhammer 40,000 and seek to find people like you you should spend that money on therepy.

[crisp heath]

counter point: I want to write stories where the war criminals kiss

[queen laurel]

Yeah, even the factions that are pretty goofy, carry enough firepower to blow an entire country apart without even breaking a sweat

[summer rover]

you know full well you don't need to care about being accurate for that. go ahead and have black trans yarrick return and make out with asian gulliman for twelve chapters in a coffeehouse.

[celest dome]

What if we kissed in the War crime room

[stark cargo]

@summer rover Oh, I don't have to worry about representation. Klovis the Redeemer has us white male nerds with goatees covered. 😁

All white male sci-fi is simply bad craftsmanship that breaks immersion in a bad way. And unlike C. S. Goto, you can't simply ignore it once you notice. It still permeates everything.

[queen laurel]

Why would you kiss someone inside the gas chamber?

[crimson kayak]

So everyone?

[near kraken]

https://youtu.be/K6kDzd6azv0

[undone zodiac]

i love the line in ork codex quote "kommandos prize intelligence and initiative and some of them are even able to read"

[queen laurel]

I was specifically talking about the orks but that works i suppose

[copper slate]

@crimson kayak Ordis and Cy would require some explaining to Magos Zoth-34...

[crimson kayak]

tbf, they are technically not AI

there is actually an equivalent in 40k and the iron hands use it (it doesn't pilot ships but the idea of turning a person into a digital contruct it's there)

[copper slate]

Yeah, and the fact that Ordon Karis was turned into Ordis as a punishment might also help.

[crimson kayak]

and it's still This close to tech heresy already

[copper slate]

What would be a good name for a rogue trader's ship?

[queen laurel]

The smile of the emperor?

[copper slate]

That is terrible.../srs

[queen laurel]

Not the best i know but hey that's something, seems like the name for the ship of a very very cocky rogue trader

[copper slate]

I don't think Harrack is like that...

[queen laurel]

Well that makes sense it hard to make a name when you have the brain of a god damn mad ork on a human body, plus making a warhammer sounding name is a very high order

[copper slate]

guess I should just buckle up and do a deep dive on 40k ship names.

[queen laurel]

Wait here this should make your job a bit easier

[queen laurel]

Here, this is a warhammer imperial ship name generator website
You can use it as a decent base so you know to make something
https://www.realmofplastic.com/warhammer-40k-blog/40k-imperial-ship-name-generator

[copper slate]

Thanks!

[crystal forum]

after a couple of novels i've accepted the fact that writers will straight up invent ship class names all the time

[queen laurel]

No problem, good luck on making a ship name

[copper slate]

Anyway, I have this idea of Cy asking Zoth if there is anything he can do to assist when the 'Hunter of the Void' comes under siege.

[graceful copper]

So realistically what is the power level of Reject 4 ||or 5 doesn't matter||
Assuming damnation is "canon" difficulty, and reject 4 survived all missions

[storm jungle]

Basically your average RPG kill-team

they can kill most basic units and anything near their level but can also die to them.

the game does a good job of powerscaling of the things they can definitely take out minus the daemonhost

[graceful copper]

also could the reject 4 be mentally incorruptible? consider they exposed to plenty of chaos energy during their mission including grimoire and fought all mini-bosses

[storm jungle]

They can be yeah.

By level 30 you are basically an inquisitorial strike-team with lots of experience, having taken the Hereticus Oath among many other things.

[queen laurel]

The moment we encountered that plague ogryn all of us would have been so sick that the black plague looked like a fucking joke

[storm jungle]

Depends

plague ogryn are not as contagious as nurgle daemons

its also mostly about physical contact too

[queen laurel]

Yeah, but didn't we get hit when that giant green wrecking ball charged at as

[storm jungle]

to be fair theres a difference between getting charged and getting sliced

also a lot of people in books survive stuff like that against nurgle too because otherwise your characters will die in a single infected cut

[shadow plover]

getting swallowed by a beast of nurgle ought to be a death sentence to anyone tbf

but oh well 'tis a game

[queen laurel]

They are also in prolonged contact with said infection everyday they do their job

Yeah dark tide is not good at power scaling

[storm jungle]

The game mentions that they get constantly decontaminated

and Darktide is very good for powerscaling, the "its a game" excuse can mostly me tied to the bosses

the Beast of Nurgle is more or less a death sentence but anything else is mostly managable

[queen laurel]

Ok i think the only reason that works is because aisha probably told them about it

[storm jungle]

whos Aisha

This isn't saints row

[queen laurel]

Isha

[storm jungle]

death

[queen laurel]

Sorry my bad

[storm jungle]

lmao its okay

[queen laurel]

I don't know, i don't read eldar lore alot

I think the decontamination formula is probably one of isha's whisper

[crystal forum]

i think GW just knows that sticking 100% to book lore is impossible for movie or game adaptations

[storm jungle]

also that too

there has to be some narrative disonance

like in the 9th edition trailer uh

All these marines should be dead

but the scarabs fly past them

minus that one unlucky bastard

[graceful copper]

What if we consider all bosses encounter are optional and not "canon"
assuming reject 4 avoid all fight unless it necessary (horde during mission objective and captain boss fight)
would they still be a powerful figures lore-wise?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

guardsman kill lots of ridiculous things in general

we also got an ogryn which is a big power factor

One in lore literally suplexes a chaos terminator lol

[crystal forum]

mind you there could still be some tech fuckery going on that we just haven't been revealed to yet

[queen laurel]

Yeah and each one of those are armed with something that allows them to breakdown materials

[storm jungle]

Yep scarab bites literally de-atomize the stuff they nibble

[crystal forum]

that's what it feels like when a black fly bites my skin off

[queen laurel]

Does the necron have a weapon that doesn't straight up de-atomize you

Even their god damn blades vibrate in and out of dimensions

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

not really no

even the melee stuff is like

phases through all your equipment to cut the flesh

you die

[queen laurel]

Even the weakest of their weapons literally De-atomize stuff, so even a group of their infantry alone is enough to threaten a tank

Or just out right destroy it

[storm jungle]

yeah its pretty OP

their basic infantry weapon kills tanks with like 4-5 shots lol

[crystal forum]

i bet a guardsman flak vest can still stop it

[shadow plover]

Where's that video of the Lord killing some ad-mech rascals when you need it

[crystal forum]

it says so in my uplifting primer

[queen laurel]

I agree

( I saw someone turn into dust right in front of my eyes )

[crystal forum]

clearly didn't pray enough

[shadow plover]

only found this

https://youtu.be/ZBQQYCHnCwE

[storm jungle]

close enough honestly

[queen laurel]

I love the fact that this guy literally used the most devastating weapon he has just to get rid of like what a few tech priests

[crystal forum]

tech priests prying open forbidden tombs like indiana jones so they can touch everything

[shadow plover]

gotta use what you've got

[queen laurel]

Oh look i'm getting robbed

I forgot to buy ammo for my guns, looks like i'm just going to have use the shard of a living god from ancient times

[crimson kayak]

Something something it's dependant on the single disease that group is spreading something something

[queen laurel]

To be fair if it gets the job done may as well do it

[graceful copper]

I wonder why Imperium can't turn ogryn into space marine

there probably be some way to boost their intellect right?

[shadow plover]

there is and they're called boneheads

[graceful copper]

yeah but why don't imperium turn orgyn into space marine

[shadow plover]

probably not smart enough still or some other sci-fi mumbo jumbo about not being compatible to the operations

[storm jungle]

Ogryns are heavily mutated

Space Marines are artifically mutated

they require an entire process from when they are teenagers to do the whole thing

[shadow plover]

ye, like I said. Mumbo jumbo

[storm jungle]

Shut up nerd

[shadow plover]

🫡

[storm jungle]

[coarse pumice]

Apart from gimmick organs, it probably won’t do them much good anyway for strength and endurance

[graceful copper]

space marine have enchanced speed, reflex and agility right?

3 things orygn could use

[stark cargo]

Apparently they can't even transplant the organs into female norm humans for mumbo jumbo reasons. Doing that with an abhuman twice the size sounds even less likely

[plush mason]

he rolled a 1 on his ward save

[arctic talon]

Ogryn are way stronger and way more easy to influence with propaganda loyal on average however

Like an ogryn can just beat a marine to death with ease

[crimson kayak]

Also we already had super ogryns

The charonites

[arctic talon]

yeah

Charonites go from beating marines to death to literally tearing tanks apart lol

[crimson kayak]

And basically they turn into very loyal angry murder blenders

[copper slate]

What do you think of Cy offering his assistance during ship-to-ship combat?

[crimson kayak]

May help as tactical, but unable to actually do stuff as how the systems work it's completely different

Unless you mean throwing the whole Railjack in

In that case it would be preferable not due to everything being Big in 40k

[copper slate]

I was thinking he could at least monitor things inside the ship? Or maybe direct the ship's crew to developing emergencies?

Maybe whom ever is usually on the vox got hit with some debris?

[crimson kayak]

Problem is that Cephalons wouldn't have anything to interact with cogitator colonies unless it like, remotely hacks them or something

[copper slate]

I'll have to work on that... On a different note... After a visit to an Imperium controlled planet for repairs and supplies, rumors of a stowaway on the Hunter of the Void begin to circulate. (Actually, it's Asha sneaking around, now that she has some clothes that won't look out of place.)

[crimson kayak]

Consider that ships have actual populations inside them

So could work maybe talking about it like some sort of story/myth being passed around the decks

[copper slate]

Right... I always forget that Imperial ships are like cities unto themselves.

[crimson kayak]

Ye

[copper slate]

So stories of a kid with purple eyes, "I'd call'em Cadian purple, but they were brighter than that."

@crimson kayak

[crimson kayak]

"I'd call'em cadian purple, but there's no Cadia anymore"

Jokes aside it could work

[green loom]

Cool lore bit

[arctic talon]

Vashtorr Kek

He’s busy running the forge of souls

[copper slate]

'Bright eyes' has a reputation for being helpful, no matter if the person they're helping is Human, Abhuman, or even a Psyker.

[rose thorn]

Hey where the astral claws ever refounded?

[green loom]

No

[rose thorn]

Oh ok lol

i rememebr a handful of chaos chapters got refounded

let me check

what the list of

[crimson kayak]

I don't rememeber chapters falling to chaos being ever refounded?

Hell, not even the World Engine story guys didn't get to die in peace and magically had a couple survivors on their world

[rose thorn]

soul drinkers, brazen skulls, and Dragons Ardent were reofounded

were the exmaples i could find

of refounded chapters

[storm jungle]

Astral Claws are fully gone yeah

[stark cargo]

Aren't the Astral Claws now the Red Corsairs, and a somewhat big deal among the Chaos Space Marines?

[arctic talon]

yes

they've grown very fast

[rose thorn]

okay i wanted to check because they still have a tab on some websites like goonhammer

[arctic talon]

thats bcs GW used to have chapter rules for them

[storm jungle]

Death

[arctic talon]

but now thats gone

[rose thorn]

lol

[arctic talon]

I can't wait for Warzone Vulcanis or some shit

where Stygies VIII gets eaten by the nids

[rose thorn]

i know if you have legends on you can still play their uique characters in 9th lol

but you basically cant run primaris if you try to do their suggested tacctics

[arctic talon]

you can

akshully

🤓

[rose thorn]

yeah but their character auras dont work with primaris in 9th

[crimson kayak]

Oh so they were all refounded during the ultima founding, that explains why I don't rememeber that

[rose thorn]

i have no clue about their 10th edition legends rules

[arctic talon]

true

fun fact about stygies

the reason why their armor is red is so that when they get caught doing something

they tear off their robes and burn them

and pass themselves off as martian

[crimson kayak]

Absolutely fucking based

[rose thorn]

like, mars tech priests

or like alienslol

[arctic talon]

Mars tech priests

and skitarii

if you're wondering how well it works

it works well enough for mars to tell them to stop doing it

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[crimson kayak]

Also these guys are actually kind of nuts production wise when you think about it

Considering they have 8 Forge Moons all orbiting the same gas giant

[arctic talon]

They supply an entire sectors worth of guardsmen lol

and more

since they're the only forgeworld that makes the model of manticore most of the guard uses

and are the only producers of the vanquisher cannon

[rose thorn]

why are there so many captians that are both the exact same mdoel coming in sets of two

This is the third time ive seen these two models sold next to each other by completely different people

were they like, the tzaangors of third or something where every box came with them lol

[celest dome]

Cause SM fans buy them like its hot bread each time

[arctic talon]

Yes

Every marine box came with them

[coarse pumice]

This was the black reach captain

[rose thorn]

i might buy one and paint one as mantis and other as executioners , one of them come with like 10 first born

[summer rover]

dude buys several boxes to army build, dude does not need the same seargent repeated over all the units and tries to sell the spares. also just kind of a garbage sculpt.

[plush mason]

Stygies is the best forgeworld

[winter vessel]

Is there any design difference between the Mark IV Maximus helmet and the Mark X helmet Primaris Marines use? they both look similar.

[green loom]

Mk4 juts out, and is more angular
MKX has softer edges and the faceplate is mostly flat

[storm jungle]

Yeah its mostly made as an homage first and tweaked later

[winter vessel]

Hmm yeah. Must be a personal preference for me but, I like Astartes helmets that don't have the "darth vader" vox grill that we're accustomed to seeing more often.

[storm jungle]

Bad opinion

banning you

[winter vessel]

I mean yeah, I still like the poster boy space marine helmets. But I like their other variations. G crusade era, even the mark 6 beakie boys.

[green loom]

I agree, knight helmets are much superior

[storm jungle]

[winter vessel]

was about to say Emperor's champion, but then I noticed the wings on the side of the helmet. Yeah, even D.A's rock that look.

[green loom]

It's missing the blood iconography

[winter vessel]

s'little hard to tell with a sketch.

but definitely, other than mark iv and x helmets, I like the knightly ones.

[coarse pumice]

beakies the best

[rose thorn]

It’s a captain though lol

I just find it funny that so many people have so many they sell it in pairs

[crystal forum]

i've decided to try and find more autogun ideas

and i started by looking at the models that GW sells

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120105106_CadianUpgrades3.jpg

this is a drum fed autogun that can be equipped on cadian sergeants

[storm jungle]

Yee its a new one

cultists also got some

[arctic talon]

they're all using auto guns except for the flamer and heavy stubber

autopistols

[crystal forum]

the fact that cadians still use autoguns implies to me that they're pretty much as effective as lasguns

would love to have more options to use them outside of cadian sergeants

[storm jungle]

Guardsman mostly use lasguns because it makes for better posterboy material more or less

[crystal forum]

my personal headcannon is the logistics of carrying billions of rounds vs rechargeable lasgun packs

[storm jungle]

The rechargability of laspacks has always been kinda eh

its not something you also ever get to do unless you are having "downtime"

[crystal forum]

true

it's probably a lot easier to clean and maintain a lasgun

at the end of the day though whether you're shooting bullets or lasgun shots

you still won't kill an ork running at you

[languid salmon]

logistically lasguns are all around better compared to autoguns

[near wasp]

i expect the chargepacks are eaiser to transport are more efficient in a weight to killing power matter as well

[languid salmon]

yep and the fact that lasguns don't have recoil (the do in darktide as apparently they don't feel right otherwise) means its easier to train soldiers to use them

[plush mason]

i mean there is a lot of that in warfare

[green loom]

@storm jungle were you the one that sent a check list/parody of what the first leagues novel will be like because it's written by Thorpe?

[storm jungle]

Nah that was real

he deleted the tweet after like an hour tho

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/13bnmxc/rejoice_hero_author_and_fan_favourite_gav_thorpe/

[storm jungle]

Lasguns mostly have recoil

its been in the books for like the last 25 years

the recoilless stuff is just BL doing its thing

[rose thorn]

Wiat is grav trope that guy who wrote that one tau book

[storm jungle]

Which one

[rose thorn]

That made tallarn look like a racist depiction of uhh

[storm jungle]

oh god