40k-lore-chat

[coarse mirage]

and was that Guilliman in the novel?

Like big blue guy?

[crimson kayak]

You mean in throne world?

[coarse mirage]

'cus fuck me he did not act it

Yes

I heard the narrator say what sounded like Guilliman and I was like "huh what"

[crimson kayak]

Yeah as dilara said, The Beast books are subpar as a whole

[arctic talon]

Its The beast serise

Don't read it

its so fucking awful

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

it literally deserves to be retconned out of existance

for how terrible it is

its like by far some of the worst "modern" lore GW has written

[coarse mirage]

I did like the bit about the ||ork ambassadors ||just taking the piss

[green loom]

Beast happens not long after the Heresy, iirc Dorn should still be around?

[storm jungle]

Nah the ork ambassadors is fine

its to show how orks get more smart the more they evolve

[coarse mirage]

But it also doesnt make sense

[storm jungle]

which has been in the lore

[coarse mirage]

They wouldnt be allowed there

[green loom]

But then you have

Everything else

[storm jungle]

that too

so uh

death

[coarse mirage]

Oh an ork? Ok dead

[arctic talon]

And then all the ||primeorks died||

[storm jungle]

KEK

[arctic talon]

because uh

assasins

and stuff

[green loom]

Weren't they effectively holding Terra hostage at that point

[arctic talon]

yes

[storm jungle]

Yeah they were

its why i didnt mind it

[arctic talon]

I won't elaborate since orange is reading through

so

I just think the beast serise is a mess

[storm jungle]

Spoilers for a book from 1950

[arctic talon]

and I don't even like the imperium that much

[coarse mirage]

I think I might give up

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[coarse mirage]

Iron Warriors and Black Templars working together is fucking dumb as hell

[arctic talon]

It was made in 2019

[green loom]

Yeah honestly a summary might be better

[arctic talon]

Oh just you wait lol

[storm jungle]

Yes like i said, 1950

[crimson kayak]

Btw isn't the iron warrior/black Templar situation because they knew each other? And the iron warrior clearly stating he doesn't want beef?

[storm jungle]

Yeah but like again

its ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[green loom]

It's Black Templars

Black

[coarse mirage]

THEY ARE BLACK TEMPLARS

[green loom]

Templars

[coarse mirage]

THEY WOULD NOT CARE

[green loom]

They killed a bunch of humans for having somewhat longer legs lmao

[coarse mirage]

It's their thing to not be reasonable

[storm jungle]

Black Templars have openly murdered a custodes for being sus

so i agree

[crimson kayak]

Wasn't it written at the time the black templars were like, still atheists?

[arctic talon]

no

lmao

[storm jungle]

I think so

its been awhile

[arctic talon]

they stopped being atheist

a while ago

[coarse mirage]

[arctic talon]

2019 was

when the beast books were written

or rather released

[green loom]

Welcome to the world of popular chapters
Boundaries don't exist and consequences are made up

[coarse mirage]

I understand why the Custodes hate the marines

[green loom]

I feel like you'd love the Wolves casually comitting treason nonstop and getting away with it

[coarse mirage]

Like a Reddit post wrote "they're re-useable cruise missiles with feelings"

[storm jungle]

This was very recent, its a specific cursade force of BTs where they were going to be reinforced by Primaris brethren and a custodes emissary alongside them, the braindead Chaplain (i think) or whoever tf was in charge called them sus and without any emergency meeting instantly tried to kill em, they put up a fight and got almost all their forces killed alongside the custodes.

Which is funny af because Helbrecht had openly met with Guilliman and accepted the Primaris as a part of their own.

[green loom]

Oh was it the Angevin crusade or whatever

[storm jungle]

And yeah Custodians are literally demi-gods, you would also look down on roided up monkeys as inferior.

[crimson kayak]

Oh well, don't worry, just re-read the excerpt about the Bt-IW situation.... It's gonna get worse

[coarse mirage]

And they're right

What was that bit

hmm

[green loom]

This is a parody of the fandom at large who froth at the mouth if you so much as mention Primaris for some reason

Even if they don't e xist anymore

[coarse mirage]

Something about how Astartes loyalty only lies with brotherhood and primach, whilst Custodes loyalty is only the Emperor and nothing else

[storm jungle]

Its also sometimes entirely because Marines just wont listen to a Custodian's authority.

[coarse mirage]

Thunder Warriors 2.0

[green loom]

Like I was posting my painting a few days ago and I got some guy going "Looks cool but obligatory ew primaris"
My guy it's literally just a different helmet and rims on the kneepad

[arctic talon]

They're taller tho!!!!!

[green loom]

Marine size was never consistent!

[near wasp]

Backtalking a stode is one of the fastest ways into an early grave

[coarse mirage]

Yes, because the marines aren't loyal to anything outside their chapter

[storm jungle]

That massively depends

[crimson kayak]

Ye, same as how the thunder warriors thought the custodes were less human than them

[storm jungle]

Most are like that but some are very much loyal to the imperium

Marines dont care about humanity

[near wasp]

The helmet isnt even different it was a design the imperium had used in the past

[coarse mirage]

I start to understand why the Inquisition presses the Delete button some times

and why Terra doesn't want Astartes to have power over it

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much lol

[green loom]

The Inquisition are in the right like

90% of the fkn time

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Tbf the custodes are like less human then the thunder warriors

[green loom]

Until you get to some nutjob radical who still has good intentions half the time

[storm jungle]

Being an Inquisitor is also the most thankless job you'll get in the Imperium

[green loom]

And ESPECIALLY in the fandom

Tied with playing Ultramarines

[coarse mirage]

Custodes are truly transhuman. They are the accension of humanity

[near wasp]

[storm jungle]

Reminder that Custodians personality-wise vary a lot

[green loom]

Custodes are works of art, marines are butchered lab experiments

[storm jungle]

most you'll read about are generic

but some are very good chaps

mfers literally do yoga and sew and shit

or have gardens they tend to

They are all pretty much their own personal characters

[coarse mirage]

So Custodes are still made, right?

[storm jungle]

Yep

[near wasp]

They even regularly debate each other

[storm jungle]

Terran nobles offer their babies to a gate near the palace

they are all taken by the custodes to undergo trials

[coarse mirage]

I liked reading about some daemon quote that said the stars would go out before it could corrupt a Custodes

[storm jungle]

Yep they are like that

[green loom]

That was uhhh

Antwyr

[near wasp]

They are built different

[green loom]

Crowe's sword

[storm jungle]

LITERALLY

[green loom]

Crowe's sword that can brainwash people if it is within view of them

[coarse mirage]

It's why I like 'em. They're amazing and yet they gotta contend with all what the Imperium has become and constantly have to deal with the daddy issue babies that ruined it all and put their dad on life support.

[near wasp]

Love my stodes
Love me emporer
Love me inquisition

[coarse mirage]

Grey KNights are also okay, some lore withstanding

[storm jungle]

GK are weird

they are like

massive gary stu's

for the most part lmao

[coarse mirage]

It's probably hard to write characters that are supposed to be what they are

[near wasp]

I prefer ultramarines to gk

[coarse mirage]

How do you even write something that is above human without being really vague?

[storm jungle]

I mean thats kind of the thing

lore describes marines as meat-men with no personality

then the moment oyu open a book they are expressive as hell

GK are definitely super generic though, I can confirm having read teir books

but this is mostly due to bad writers

and nobody also wanting to write about them ontop of it

[crimson kayak]

Tbf any story about them would be Psyker-bolter porn considering their use

[coarse mirage]

I much prefer books that aren't bolter porn

[near wasp]

Yeah they dont get alot of nuances

[crimson kayak]

Unless you count stuff like the sw harrowing

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-clones-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-21609842

Entire Black Library Marine section be like

[green loom]

I like the Hyperion book

Emperor's Gift I think?

The marines are suitably weird

[coarse mirage]

I liked theWatchers of the Throne series

[near wasp]

Watchers was great

[green loom]

[coarse mirage]

Intruige, suspense, insight into Custodes

[near wasp]

Marines are the definition of maidenless

[green loom]

I think the implication is pretty clear

[coarse mirage]

small pp

[storm jungle]

Eliminate that man's penis at once

🫵

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/disappear-gif-26453041

[storm jungle]

also bro

this is the most

patrick bateman inner-thought dialogue ive seen

[green loom]

I almost feel it's intentional

[coarse mirage]

If he didn’t desire her then describing her in those terms wouldn’t happen

[storm jungle]

100%

[storm jungle]

If only it was a Space Wolf

🐺

[coarse mirage]

[storm jungle]

he doesnt get it (NO WAIT THAT ISNT A CONFUSED EMOTE)

whew

[near wasp]

The only thing ill give the wolves is that they can party

[green loom]

A good thing it's (k)not

[storm jungle]

KSDFLSD

STOP

[green loom]

I'll let myself out

[coarse mirage]

[near wasp]

Im gonna crucify you

[storm jungle]

Jokes aside tho yeha marines basically uh

have "no emotions" until they do

very much depends on the writer

[coarse mirage]

[green loom]

Some say they have more intense emotions, some say they have emotions but can ignore them to focus, some say they're completely emotionless killing machines

[storm jungle]

Yeah its literally just "idfk ill write what i write"

some Marines are like cod players too

"YO HIS HEAD EXPLODED"

"LOL, LMAO OWNED"

[green loom]

Sounds like Wolves

[storm jungle]

thats mostly Space-

yep

💀

[green loom]

I like the more somber chapters

Like BA

[coarse mirage]

Sombrero chapters

[storm jungle]

Die

also

you could be the Emperor's Scythes

dont ask us how they get recruits

[near wasp]

I think ive heard of there recruitment

[green loom]

The Emperor's Scythes or the Scythes of the Emperor

[storm jungle]

bro

💀

I HATE WARHAMMER

[coarse mirage]

I’m curious now

[green loom]

I'm not even kidding, they even have the same icon

I think anyay

I remember listening to the All Guardsmen Party and they had an Emperor's Scythe with them, and it took me forever to realize it wasn't the same thing

[rose thorn]

[green loom]

Here's another

The Blood Knights or the Knight of Blood

[rose thorn]

i swear to god some warhamemr shit 5 people were told to come up witht he same ideas

and then they jsut shuffle the words in a name

[storm jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/a7emcd/excerpt_the_everliving_legion_flayed_astartes_may/

[near wasp]

Gw speedruns uncreative and reused names challange (dont try at 3am, gone wild)

[rose thorn]

IM GOANN SNAP I JSUT LEARNED WAHT THE 40K KNIFHTS OF TEH RACEN ARE NAMED AFTER

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Knights_of_the_Raven

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Knights_of_the_Raven

[summer rover]

more of 40k is stuff stolen from fantasy than you can imagine.

[bronze trellis]

I’m hoping to see more ynnari stuff in the future. And the Lion and Guilliman meeting up

[rose thorn]

lion and guilliman meet up in the new lionbook

[bronze trellis]

Ooh. Now I’m curious on what happens

[rose thorn]

idk if it released but the reveal siad they are gonna answer all the quesitons abou tlion's view on modern 40k

[summer rover]

robute & lionel go to white castle

[rose thorn]

lmao

[bronze trellis]

I imagine his views are ‘like Guilliman, but more intense.’, because the Lion was very much Pro Imperial Truth even more so than Guilliman

That said, he is a general and warrior first and foremost, and I think he knows he has to work with what he has rather than wish for something he doesn’t have

[near wasp]

Cannot wait for more lion books

[earnest snow]

How

[near wasp]

@earnest snow

[arctic talon]

are they the eugenics chapter?

who kidnap people with good genetics and force them to have children

[near wasp]

Yes

🫵

[arctic talon]

There's also a raven guard sucessor

that does that iirc

[earnest snow]

Ah yes the death Spectres i know of them. A nice little chapter

I must have only read up a bit because I thought it was in relation to the Emperor's Scythes

[storm jungle]

Yeah its literally just "breeding worlds"

[arctic talon]

Eugenics chapter™️

[storm jungle]

also describing the woman they rescued as "prime stock"

[arctic talon]

I'm sure corax would love it

[storm jungle]

💀

HELP

[arctic talon]

Literally ignoring her brother

because his genetics are bad

[earnest snow]

Entire world's dedicated to breeding at one of the worst parts of the Imperium

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

That was some looney tunes shit

[arctic talon]

lol

Comically evil space marine chapter

[storm jungle]

I love warhammer

[earnest snow]

I adore the death spectres.

[storm jungle]

This comment on the thread takes the award btw

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982015230383112224/1120494398770266173/SPOILER_image.png

[earnest snow]

For the Imperium they said.

But at what cost

[arctic talon]

Imperium™️

trust me guys its not that bad

you'll just be working in a manufacotrum

for 10 million years

and then die

[near wasp]

Doesnt the tau also engage in a bit of eugenics

[arctic talon]

Yes

the caste system is a product of eugenics

but they don't do it on non tau

They only care about the genetic purity of each of the castes

[storm jungle]

Yeah Tau is more just "Dont have sex with this person outside your caste!"

[arctic talon]

also you get goverment asigned partner

to have children with if you want children

or you just get rejected

[earnest snow]

"And the Imperium are supposed to be the good guys!" - somehow someone who gets this idea idfk

Government mandated alien waifu/husbando/other?

[storm jungle]

GUYS

[earnest snow]

Intriguing

[storm jungle]

GUILLIMAN IS FIXING THE IMPERIUM

[arctic talon]

No

just for Tau

[storm jungle]

Gets sent to concentration camp

[arctic talon]

lol

lmao

Guilliman is a okay with a lot of horrible stuff

like servitors

and concentration camps

[earnest snow]

I'll sneeze on em

[arctic talon]

but the Tau Empire really doesn't give a fuck about what non-tau do generally speaking

with like familial stuff

[earnest snow]

Despite my meme I still see some content creators on YouTube in their own comments section in replies talking about how the imperium is supposed to be the good guys (in a mocking fashion) after finding out about some of the disturbing stuff they do and I'm like "whatever gave you the idea that they're a good fucking faction." o_o

[storm jungle]

Okay so pro tip

when its a 40k Imperium video

[near wasp]

Its just the imperium isnt the worst faction morally, still doesnt mean they arnt morally bankrupt

[storm jungle]

entirely ignore the comment section

its literally filled to the brim with braindead fans

[arctic talon]

^

They prolly have never read anything

about the universe beyond memes

and wiki pages

[storm jungle]

Yeah this

[arctic talon]

so they miss the funny rule book intro

[storm jungle]

like the 40k comment sections in youtube are like

I dont know the exact term

like its entire own ecosystem?

[arctic talon]

It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries The Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the Master of Mankind by the will of the gods, and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day, so that he may never truly die.

Yet even in his deathless state, the Emperor continues his eternal vigilance. Mighty battlefleets cross the daemon-infested miasma of the Warp, the only route between distant stars, their way lit by the Astronomican, the psychic manifestation of the Emperor's will. Vast armies give battle in his name on uncounted worlds. Greatest amongst his soldiers are the Adeptus Astartes, the Space Marines, bio-engineered super-warriors. Their comrades in arms are legion: the Imperial Guard and countless planetary defence forces, the ever vigilant Inquisition and the tech-priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from aliens, heretics, mutants - and worse.

To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.

[storm jungle]

That shit is still at the beginning of every book and they still dont get it

[earnest snow]

It's not just the people who post comments. It's the content creator that engages with them saying it and I'm like: "ah yes. Read a 40k book pls"

[arctic talon]

Mf'ers cannot read

[near wasp]

Echo chamber

[arctic talon]

yeah

also I love the art for the 10e cover

becaue it paints abbadon's daemon sword + guilliman

in the same light

Its some great fucking artistic story telling

[storm jungle]

whats that artwork

[arctic talon]

gimme a sec

Guilliman and Drachen are cast in the same

[storm jungle]

oh this one

[arctic talon]

white light

[storm jungle]

thats 9th edition

[arctic talon]

I think its got some good symbolism

[storm jungle]

yeah but like uhh

its kinda too "bad guys vs good guys"

[arctic talon]

Its not great

yeah

[storm jungle]

deffo epic tho i agree

[arctic talon]

The 10e rulebook cover

[near wasp]

I kinda get a fallen angel vibe from that art of guilliman

[arctic talon]

is just an absolute clusterfuck of marines fighting lol

which has its charm I suppose

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah hate that one

[arctic talon]

Its

[storm jungle]

about as generic as you can get

[arctic talon]

not great

[storm jungle]

Yeah just

[arctic talon]

I'd rather them go back to the

servo skull book

[storm jungle]

same

[arctic talon]

rather then that crap

Its bad

[near wasp]

Oh hey a battlefield where all the fighting happens in a 20ft area

Because that makes sense

[arctic talon]

crusade one isn't bad

[earnest snow]

Dw in the background a servitor is typing in the password for a planetary governor to gain access to the planet's secret stash of weapons of mass destruction (guilliman doesn't know one is going up his booty hole)
It's happening right where the blue dot is

So the artwork isn't 100% good guys vs bad guys

[arctic talon]

lol

The artwork isn't great

but I'll take it over whatever the fuck the 10e one is

tbh

[earnest snow]

It's cool but I had to do the shit n giggle

[storm jungle]

I also just miss this kind of artwork Kopinski and Adrian Smith tended to do

just "HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON I LOVE THIS"

[arctic talon]

I sorta miss the old servoskull stuff

for the rule books lol

[storm jungle]

lmao

[earnest snow]

Servo skull supremacy

[storm jungle]

good choice

[arctic talon]

I mean

It gets the point across imo

They stopped doing it in 9e

Which I’m meh on

[storm jungle]

I think this one from Gathering Storm was also one of my favorites

[earnest snow]

Me and the boys vs them and the guys vs him and the dudes vs he and the ogs lookin for beans

[storm jungle]

this guy is fucking READY

[near wasp]

Ready to die

[storm jungle]

For space-hitler

[arctic talon]

Clusterfuck art is fun

[storm jungle]

I mean

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[storm jungle]

Emperor

Also yeah

shame we dont get these anymore

literally every inhouse GW artist is gone

lmao

[earnest snow]

They running then gunning omg it truly is war

[storm jungle]

kek

my guy got snatched btw

[arctic talon]

It’s also creepy as shit bcs admech

This art for warzone charadon is cool

But it adds to the charm

[near wasp]

The fuck

[arctic talon]

It’s the former fabricator general of Metalica

And other assorted people and servoskulls

My favorite one is the one that crawls on the ground

[near wasp]

He looks the a eldritch dog

[earnest snow]

The confederate flag being used for the cadians!?!?!?

[storm jungle]

LMAO

NOOOO

ITS JUST THEIR REGIMENT STANDARD

[near wasp]

[earnest snow]

[storm jungle]

Also another clusterfuck art i like

[arctic talon]

This isn’t as bad as the fucking transformers movie

[storm jungle]

mostly because if you look to the right you can see Guilliman and Morty fighting

[arctic talon]

Using the stars and bars

Lmao

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Hate.

[arctic talon]

By accident

But still

Lmao

[green loom]

What are some cool acccessories marines have that I can add to this goon

[storm jungle]

oh boy

hold on i gotta get my food order but ill ping you some stuff

[earnest snow]

Terra I believe right? If so I'm glad they're finally getting some attention after the 409853rd riot suppression.

[arctic talon]

https://warhammerart.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/The-Adeptus-Mechanicus.jpg

Admech nid clusterfuck

At least it makes sense this time

Still an absolute clusterfuck tho lol

[earnest snow]

The tyranids eating the 5% flesh left on the admech and calling it supper 😋

[arctic talon]

The metal is a good iron supplement

[earnest snow]

It is very much

Wonder if the tyranids will ever develop mech-nids cus why not

[near wasp]

[arctic talon]

Nah

[earnest snow]

Yeah they got biology but put some metal on that boy and everyone is confused

[arctic talon]

Their whole stuff is biology stuff

[stark cargo]

Something different, but I like this cover: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/8eNlDR

[earnest snow]

The statue did it

[near wasp]

Sus

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

My biggest tip is looking at old 40k art, especially Marine works of Karl Kopinski and Adrian Smith

[arctic talon]

Adeptus dripstartes

[storm jungle]

Primarsbars just aren't as gay enough as the Firstborn

[green loom]

I'll try adding some objects

To practice painting without lineart 😎

[storm jungle]

Yeee like look at that last Ultra

he literally has bones pierced into the shield on his pauldron

come up with gothic shit like that

[green loom]

First I'm gonna try painting without lines

[crimson kayak]

Oh hey someone spotted the arkhan Confederates

[earnest snow]

:D!

[crimson kayak]

Jk it's a generic guard flag, but arkhan's are literally space confederates

And also the only canon regiment with power armour

Well, some

And primitive by 40k standards

But it's there

[earnest snow]

I found my regiment. They're beautiful

It looks like something outta a fanfic

Tell me this is a God damn lie.

That name

[near wasp]

That general name though xD

[earnest snow]

Yes that name. Idk if it's a homebrew because it's on the lexicanum as well

[crimson kayak]

On lexicanum that general is not present

[earnest snow]

But whoever made it deserves a medal and a grave oh my God lmao

[crimson kayak]

But God knows if I'll ever pick up Fire Caste and actually read it

[crimson kayak]

Yep, you can see on the wiki name that's an homebrew

[earnest snow]

Yet they're from the novel firecaste. I guess someone built off of it and made it homebrew a bit

That commander name is a sin either way

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah the arkhans are fucking canon

but they literally appear in 1 book

for good reason

[near wasp]

I feel like i need to kitbash a bunch of catacans into trailer park trash and biuld that regiment

[stark cargo]

It's actual quite nice for having Tau. 👍
(It might also be the perfect novel to put confederates in... 😇 😈 )

[earnest snow]

I get the idea of wanting to use Napoleonic-esk Guard regiments because its cool and honestly sometimes the guard use the tactics anyways. But. You better be prepared for the memes made about em in the case of the Confederates.

I mean, the drip is cool, and I like the idea of Napoleonic (and american...civil...war era? Yes that) fashioned guard but god damn

That one is hard on the nose

[stark cargo]

Agreed. Though from the book, I remember them as mostly average guard with an Americana steampunk/dieselpunk hillbilly touch. Nut sure Fehervari even likes them that much, given the nature of the book. 😁

[earnest snow]

Apparently they're staunchly independent and don't get along with other regiments because they can do the job or something.

According one of the wikis anyways

[rose thorn]

Scalpers are going as low at 229 lmao

[arctic talon]

Good

new blunt force trauma weapon just dropped

[rose thorn]

LMAO

Honesty I’d prefer every day being as thick as the space marine one

But eh

maybe getting rid of first born wil help but I didn’t say that

or make first born relevant

or just get rid of the barrier between the two and let you run primaris and first born in the same unit

I might do that for my mantis warriors

Idk

Since Cannonically their numbers are so low

[green loom]

They got rid of the barrier I think

[rose thorn]

Did they? I know for vehicles they did which is baller

[green loom]

Yeah think so

[rose thorn]

Liek instead of primaris assault intercessors it’s just assault intercessors?

Huh that would be cool to see

OH FUCK YEAHTHEY DID

[rose thorn]

That’s baller I didn’t realize the primaris and first born key words were gone

I know BT have specifically primaris versions of hnits

[arctic talon]

They sort of still exist?

It’s just armor now

Which doesn’t let you mix terminators with gravis and that sort of stuff

But eh

[rose thorn]

Yeah true

But that’s pretty minimal

[arctic talon]

Thank you admech very cool

[rose thorn]

?

[arctic talon]

predatory moon

A moon that eats things

[rose thorn]

LMAAO WHAT

I DIDNT EVEN REALIZE

[arctic talon]

I love how casual

the PREDATORY MOON is

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-date-fine-dining-date-cute-gif-23931161

That moon

[arctic talon]

and it just has an admech warning symbol Æ

[rose thorn]

(It’s about to eat a ship of fleeing civilian)

Hey why is that moon leaving a path of radiation

[arctic talon]

The admech needs it first

[arctic talon]

Good question

I'm 99% sure this is a plot hook

for a warzone book

considering the Death Guard build up in the Charadon system and Stable warp corridor

were both also plot hooks from the rule book map

[rose thorn]

Also I love the orks on the tail end of it

[arctic talon]

I'm 99% sure they're chasing it

[crimson kayak]

either that or the predatory moon is actually what happens when the orks fuse an attack moon with votann planet crackers

[rose thorn]

Or it’s a planet sized squig

[arctic talon]

Ngl im like 70% sure it’s a nid

But it could be ork stuff

[rose thorn]

Or just a fucking moon that eats things lol

Chaos shinnangans orobbaly

Because minor xenos is dead and gw killed it

okay so the imperial claims to be always under attack by the heretic xenos and mutant

heretic and xenos is a duh

but what mutants are causing a problem??

gscs?? votaan??

[storm jungle]

Mostly just mutants who get mistreated by the Imperium due to being... well mutants

they can cause uprising or even worse stuff around planets due to the Imperial rule basically wanting them dead

[rose thorn]

oh lol

[astral whale]

How do you know that isn't a slaaneshi thing.

Pedo moon.

[arctic talon]

[crisp heath]

Does anyone know how Raptors Space marines organize themselves, like what do I paint on Sergeants, vets vet sgt lieutenant captain ect?

[tough haven]

I assume mutants caused by chaotic corruption

but also yeah just poor unfortunate folks who are slightly different and pissed about their treatment

[storm jungle]

Raptors are not really "mainstream" enough to get a color/insignia sheet like more popular chapters.

Closest you get is something like this Sergeant having a yellow stripe on his helmet

[arctic talon]

I think they might have some stuff

In imperial armor

Bcs they were Forgeworlds secondary pet chapter

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah

lemme open the Badab War thing

[tough haven]

40k fans when you introduce the concept of subjective morality (they cannot grasp that there isnt always a "good" and "bad" guy)

[storm jungle]

nvm its literally just

[arctic talon]

Nvm

It’s all just camo

Paint jobs

[storm jungle]

Yep

lmao

[arctic talon]

There’s like 10 million goddamn camo paint jobs

I mean

It’s cool

But ????

[storm jungle]

Gay ass

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-screaming-scared-yelling-sus-gif-24404125

[arctic talon]

Good news for you about battleline marking

They don’t have any

[earnest snow]

I am the bad

That's all there is to it. You just gotta understand you are the bad and bam

[arctic talon]

So you can prolly do them all in matte green

With yellow markings for sgts

[tough haven]

I mean none of the factions are objectively good or evil, they just sorta are. Just various groups trying to survive in a chaotic universe

[arctic talon]

Admech

Dark Eldar

[tough haven]

maaybe chaos if you look at it a certain way, but thats still largely subjective

[storm jungle]

Bro

[arctic talon]

Dark eldar are

[storm jungle]

you better be being sarcastic

[arctic talon]

Absolutely evil

[tough haven]

fellow darkest dungeon fan

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Craft world Beil’tan also deserves to be set on fire

[tough haven]

Oh for sure, most of the factions are, but arent a lot of them doing it simply to not get their soul consumed?

[winter vessel]

That's why I enjoy the one instance of them getting owned by Iron Warriors in the episode short, "Iron Within".

[storm jungle]

god

[arctic talon]

They can become corsairs or craftworlders

[storm jungle]

why did you remind me that shit exists

[tough haven]

definitely morally bankrupt though

[arctic talon]

Dark eldar do it

Because it’s fun

[tough haven]

I mean yeah

fair

[arctic talon]

Like

[storm jungle]

Dark Eldar do what they do because they enjoy it

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

the soul consumption thing is just an excuse

Craftworld Eldar dont really go out of their way to wage war unless their hand is forced.

[tough haven]

society destroyed from excessive murderfucking
continue murderfucking

[arctic talon]

Beil’tan 💀

[storm jungle]

KEK

[arctic talon]

On its way to murder a planet

[storm jungle]

to be fair at least they give a message for the settlers to fuck off

will they listen? Not really

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

but its the thought that counts

[arctic talon]

Lmao

[tough haven]

both out of survival instinct, and because they sorta just dont wanna get involved in anyone elses shit, they've got enough to deal with already

[arctic talon]

Beil’tan doesn’t count for that because they are Uber racist

[storm jungle]

Its a mix of things

[arctic talon]

Compared to other eldar

[storm jungle]

Eldar consider killing of most sapient things to be also outright murder

[winter vessel]

Beil'tan's insignia looks funny considering what they really do

[storm jungle]

its why the warriors have "warmasks"

psychic shrouds that stops them from getting PTSD due to how extremely they percieve emotions

[arctic talon]

They love other eldar, who aren’t druhkari, or corsairs

💀

[tough haven]

I was just thinking this

[arctic talon]

Also who also hate humans

[tough haven]

Masters of compartmentalization

[storm jungle]

Thats mostly regarding the rebirth of their ancient days, its less about "love" and more about life

[tough haven]

I would say eldar are largely the faction that is the least morally bankrupt

[storm jungle]

I mean yeah

like i said they dont really go out of their way to genocide entire species

half their mood is just

https://tenor.com/view/bing-gif-25601964

[crisp heath]

I’ve seen some with grey helmets and yellow lines and some have white shoulder pads, so far I’m going the route of adhering to their belief of individualism and thought and just doing what feels rights

[arctic talon]

That works out

[tough haven]

potentially T'au, but we dont talk about the T'au

[arctic talon]

Do whatever you want tbh

[winter vessel]

the only heart symbol that's appealing to me are these poor souls.

[arctic talon]

Not like anyone can say you’re wrong

[storm jungle]

Tau are very grey leaning towards mostly evil

[arctic talon]

Imagine getting insulted by other blood angels bcs you aren’t wearing red

💀

[storm jungle]

they get a bit of a free-pass because they know that treating the races under you properly kinda gets better results

[arctic talon]

Lamenters really can’t catch a break

[tough haven]

true

[storm jungle]

compared to uhhh

"Go die in a factory lol lmao"

[tough haven]

they at least understand that diplomacy can be an option (unless its the imperium)

[arctic talon]

Pretty

[storm jungle]

Yeah because it makes sense when the race you are dealing with wants to team-up

[arctic talon]

Tbh they try diplomacy first with the imperium always

[storm jungle]

Also that yeah

[arctic talon]

It just almost always fails

Because the imperium is

Well

[tough haven]

the only part of the T'au I think can be slightly interesting is farsight but its unlikely they will survive

[tough haven]

thats what I meant

[arctic talon]

Ah

Yeah

[storm jungle]

only usually oppoturnistic or desperate imperials accept the offer

which is entirely fair

lmao

[winter vessel]

If you say idiots that's underselling it since everyone in 40k are idiots

[storm jungle]

just like real life

[tough haven]

best opinion

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

The only 3 sapient species the tau have marked as kill on sight are Orks, rak’gol and druhkari

Which is pretty funny

[storm jungle]

Dark Eldar did A LITTLE bit of trolling

then did the same prank on some poor imperial world

it was even funnier there

[tough haven]

I will say, I find the imperium to be an accurate representation of what humanity would probably be like in that time

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Dark eldar are

[tough haven]

wait not 'nids?

[arctic talon]

Hilarious

[winter vessel]

Wonder how those Tau Diplomats in Commorragh are doin.

[arctic talon]

Nids aren’t sapient

They aren’t individuals

[tough haven]

Oh you meant sapient

mb

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[tough haven]

Is chaos worshippers included under there?

[arctic talon]

No because the ethereals are assholes

[tough haven]

I know the tau dont really understand the threat posed by chaos

or chaos at all

[winter vessel]

Ethereals bein like "na man they're just xenos, no such thing as chaos".

[storm jungle]

sounds familiar

[arctic talon]

Emperor soundin ass

[storm jungle]

30k Imperium Moment

lmao

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

jinx

[tough haven]

chaos seems like the one thing that most factions can agree on hating

and 'nids

[storm jungle]

emperor legit went "No thats not hell-demons bro its just aliens"

[arctic talon]

But yeah it’s getting harder for the ethereals to hide

Chaos lol

[tough haven]

nah bro trust

[arctic talon]

Considering the nurgle incident

That had one of the core viorla tau worlds get absolutely fucked

[tough haven]

I swear hell is fake

[storm jungle]

I hope it is

[arctic talon]

Lol

https://preview.redd.it/ax71xb9wcyhz.jpg?auto=webp&s=008c36ec683191b9aae18985640c9b24857a8c34

Because this shit is pretty hard to cover up lol

Just saying

[tough haven]

Me when I dont subscribe to that morality system

[winter vessel]

Remember how they were satisfied with farsight dying after he was willingly surrendering himself over to em if he saved them, all the while keeping himself from going batshit insane with the sword he was using

[tough haven]

you got a link to that event? I'd love to read about it

[arctic talon]

It’s in the tau codex 9e

And it’s pretty light

[rose thorn]

badab war art detected

[arctic talon]

It’s just death guard invade core viorla world before exiting via the star tide nexus

[storm jungle]

I legit love how their response was.

"Lmao go die in a war somewhere then we'll forgive you lol"

[arctic talon]

Because they need to resupply real quick

[tough haven]

Honestly tau would be largely fucked against chaos since many of chaos enemies are resistant to projectile weaponry and tau dont do much melee

[arctic talon]

They do have flamers

[storm jungle]

Yeah also consider this

[arctic talon]

Which lore wise work well

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/jn-jovem-nerd-drone-gif-13826275

Drones.

[arctic talon]

Lol

[winter vessel]

that poor tau is getting psoriasis just being held like that from contact.

[arctic talon]

The biggest thing about killing chaos is symbolism

[rose thorn]

Okay but, what if drones with flamers

[arctic talon]

It’s why fire works

And melee

[rose thorn]

That sounds fucking terrible actualky

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

Honestly knowing us rn in the 21st century

[tough haven]

true

[storm jungle]

not the worst idea

[arctic talon]

Imagine being the poor Tau fire warrior

Who has to deploy a flamer drone

And then it gets shot while it’s deploying

And explodes

[tough haven]

since they are largely conceptual creatures, that checks out

[storm jungle]

aaa someone made a tau flamer drone conversion

[rose thorn]

Get shot once and taste the might of napalm

[storm jungle]

SO CUTE

[rose thorn]

HEVDUAHSHAH

[arctic talon]

That’s cool

It’s the crisis suit flamer

[winter vessel]

ah yes very non threatening

[storm jungle]

hes just a lil guy

hes not gonna melt you

promise

[tough haven]

he just likes it warm

[rose thorn]

I imagine the flamer fuel would be heavy

[arctic talon]

Fun fact we don’t have any art of tau flamers being used

For some reason

It’s always pulse, ion or rail guns

[rose thorn]

Wiay do any xenos besides orcs have flamers?

[storm jungle]

Tau should basically be the covenant but all you get is fucking weeb suits

Also yeah everyone has flamers

Eldar ones are more advanced tho

[arctic talon]

Every faction has flamers or something like it

Eldar flamers are very fancy

[rose thorn]

What the fuck flamer would an eldar flamer be

[arctic talon]

Necrons just use a portal to a star

[storm jungle]

Uhh firepikes

literally just melta + flamer

Fire Dragons use em

[arctic talon]

It’s just called an eldar flamer

They don’t have a fancy name

But they hurt a lot more lol

[rose thorn]

‘We are so elegant and smart and amazing, so we are gonna use one of the cruelest ways of warfare possible’

Drukhari???

[rose thorn]

Wiay

[arctic talon]

Acid thrower

[rose thorn]

Drukhari have liquidators

[storm jungle]

Bro they literally use shuriken disks to kill you

what do you want them to

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[arctic talon]

Druhkari have some weird ass guns

[rose thorn]

I fucking love that all the eldar special weapon units are just warriors with different guns

[arctic talon]

The necron portal to a star flamer

Is hilarious

[storm jungle]

yeah a lot of dark eldar weapons are basically these:

[rose thorn]

It’s a weapon that makes you into. A living liquid lmao

[tough haven]

I mean its the best option vs orks and 'nids

[arctic talon]

most eldar weapons are absolutely horrifying

because they're prefall lol

like the "nets" they use

[winter vessel]

oh I hated the box movie.

the acid trap sucked

[storm jungle]

Yeah I have that in what i posted with the predator net

[arctic talon]

that are mono molecular and charged with energy

which is uh

horrifying

[storm jungle]

You really should watch it 👀

[rose thorn]

Votaan?

[storm jungle]

Votaan literally use imperial guns

but more ""advanced""

which is super lame

[tough haven]

I'm a votaan fan

[rose thorn]

Also to everyone who wnated Votaan to be imperium and not xenos, get bent

I’m so happy

[rose thorn]

They are xenos

[arctic talon]

I wish they had more unique stuff

tbh

[storm jungle]

same

[rose thorn]

Same but

[arctic talon]

bcs the bolter 2.0 is boring

[rose thorn]

I love the scuba diver shit

[arctic talon]

their asthetic is great

I agree

[rose thorn]

There’s a lot of ocean fairing themeing I adore

Reminds me of early scifi shit

[storm jungle]

One of my favorite parts in the Arks of Omen was uhh some Votann mercs hired for the crusade see the entire armada going fucking insane from the khorne Murder-Curse

and they literally just fucking leave

LMAO

[rose thorn]

LMAO

JAHSHSHHS

[storm jungle]

LEGIT, SAYANORA MANLING

https://tenor.com/view/drg-deep-rock-galactic-dwarf-dance-party-gif-21817643

[winter vessel]

So I know Necrons are supposed to be like Tomb Kings, which by extension, inspired by Ancient Egypt. So it's kind of a bummer there isn't like a, Cleopatra-esque like notable Necron.

[storm jungle]

Yeah sadly

[arctic talon]

this shit looks like it would hurt to hold

[storm jungle]

necrons had a VERY weird issue regarding female characters

apparently there was some fucker on the studio who was very much against the idea

we are now just getting female necron characters in books

[arctic talon]

technically the new psychomancer is a female

[storm jungle]

a mini should pop up at some point

yeah but shes bland

YEET

[rose thorn]

Also on the leviathen event a bunch of Votaan decided to let humans who were abandoned by the imperium and who were specifically angry about it and wanted to defect, help them fight nids

[winter vessel]

What we got is cool but, damn it'd be cool for one that be like Cleopatra

[arctic talon]

boring ah

[storm jungle]

bro

shes summoning Sans from Undertale

[arctic talon]

lmfao

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

Pros of boring necron designs, you can convert one of you 5 necron over lords into them

You can slap weapons onto warriors

And bam

[arctic talon]

this knife looks pretty comfortable compared to some other dark eldar weapons lol

mostly since its just a knife

[winter vessel]

She going "16 bits, 8 bits!, 4 bits! 2 bits!, 1 bit!, HALF BIT!, QUARTER BIT!" with those pixels

[storm jungle]

But yeah im sure necrons will get a proper special character whos a woman at some point, GW has been VERY inclusive with unisex miniatures on the new model ranges recently

[rose thorn]

Necron kit bashing is literally the easiest thing on the planet

[storm jungle]

Also that yeah

you want a female necron?

Just slap a triarch praetorian hip on it

there, wide hips

[arctic talon]

please do not give her boobs

[storm jungle]

👌

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

AA

[arctic talon]

I will krill myself

[rose thorn]

Or just say she’s female

No one can disagree

[arctic talon]

anyone who does

[winter vessel]

I mean there's that one art piece by basedbinkie that has a female necron

[arctic talon]

can go explode

[tough haven]

wait they are? I thought they were abhumans but just seperate from the imperium

[storm jungle]

who

[storm jungle]

They are in the "xenos" section in the show

[storm jungle]

but in 40k xenos doesnt technically just mean alien

it can also just mean "stranger" or outside forces

[arctic talon]

Xenos means alien to the imperium

[storm jungle]

Also based

[arctic talon]

imo

god this guy is built like a fucking truck

[storm jungle]

Yeah alien as in like "stranger" or so

[arctic talon]

its like the meaning of Alien in SWTOR

it just means not part of the sith empire

[rose thorn]

Well Votaan can’t reproduce with humans, Theirfore they are a new species and can be xenos if I’m going to be a redditor abour it

[tough haven]

ah right

[arctic talon]

me when abhuman

[storm jungle]

Ah wait

i gotta post my own female necron character

[rose thorn]

I assume abhumans can reproduce with humans

[arctic talon]

they can't

[tough haven]

which show? (I live under a rock)

[arctic talon]

lore wise

thats why they're abhumans

[winter vessel]

It's fanart comic technically, but not that bad.

[storm jungle]

bro

[rose thorn]

YES

[storm jungle]

thats awful

AAA

[tough haven]

I guess unsanctioned abhumans are considered xenos

[rose thorn]

Yeah porbably the best bet

[arctic talon]

they're in Xenos

on the store

[storm jungle]

Also heres my Cryptek Xheranuh

ignore the uhhh

[arctic talon]

big robe

[storm jungle]

massive ass-thrusters

[arctic talon]

is it metal

[storm jungle]

also yes

what kind of animal do you take me for

[arctic talon]

idk

some people like drawing cloth on necrons

[rose thorn]

She can crack my skull open with her hips

[winter vessel]

damn, she did not skimp out on gold trimming like the others

[storm jungle]

dsfkjskjdsdkjs

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-necron-40k-gif-25759087

[storm jungle]

Yeah shes Szarekhan

they uhhh

dont really have much scheme wise

[arctic talon]

Drip

[storm jungle]

its literally just

bronze

green

[arctic talon]

They like bronze, gold and black

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-reaction-wtf-jerma985-gif-26035789

[arctic talon]

also the higher rank the more gold there is

[storm jungle]

Yeee

shes a very high ranking cryptek so i added more gold

[rose thorn]

I love the idea of a cocky asshole rogue trader dating a necron overlord and idk why

[storm jungle]

because it just works

[arctic talon]

I think its amazing that almost every single necron mini

[rose thorn]

True

[arctic talon]

got FUCKIGN REPAINTED

BY GW

like holy fuck lol

[storm jungle]

9th edition was some SICK SHIT

[arctic talon]

They purged every single sautekh color scheme but the necron destroyers lol

[tough haven]

Votaan deserves more

[rose thorn]

Tbh I have no clue who are the important necron poster boys are lmao

[arctic talon]

They're getting a second wave

[tough haven]

Pog

[arctic talon]

Sautekh dynasty/Szerakhan dynasty

[rose thorn]

Like 3 of the worlds look exact same

[arctic talon]

are the poster children

sautekh is the classic grey and bright green

with some gold

[storm jungle]

Yeah Szarekhan is silent King's new boys, they are the ones in rust colors

[rose thorn]

I swear to god if you say silver guys are different

[arctic talon]

szarekhan has bronze, black and gold

[rose thorn]

Okay lmao

I was like

[arctic talon]

you can tell how high ranked a szarekhan necron is by how much gold they have

[arctic talon]

yeah that

[rose thorn]

OHHHH

[storm jungle]

Also uhh

[rose thorn]

Wow I’m dumb I didn’t even translate they were copper

[storm jungle]

the lore for the Sautekh literally says the Imperium assumed they were the only and "main" necron forces in the galaxy, so more reason for them being the posterboys

[winter vessel]

"ATOMIZE THEM BOYS! NYEHEHEHEHE!"

[arctic talon]

they're the only ones actively expanding tbf

[tough haven]

Theres no release date to that show yet is there?

[storm jungle]

That was a typo

[arctic talon]

also I love how the Despotek lore for immortals is, they're smarter then the rest and they use that intelligance to boss around other immortals

[rose thorn]

I like there’s 4 dynasties that just like genocide

[tough haven]

ah lol

[storm jungle]

Yep my bad lmao

[rose thorn]

THAT SCHEME IS SO COOL

[arctic talon]

It is

[storm jungle]

oh god you reminded me of that kill team

[arctic talon]

they're good now

they absolutely fuck guardsmen in the ass lol

[tough haven]

Still it reminded me of the amazon show thats being worked on

[storm jungle]

Want to guess what apprentices to Crypteks are called

[arctic talon]

very pretty scheme

[storm jungle]

god

LOOK AT THE LITTLE ROBOT

ON THE BEAM

AAA

[arctic talon]

its the Tsarakura Dynasty

[rose thorn]

What’s their gimmick?

[arctic talon]

who are actually ruled by crypteks because they did a thing called backstabbing the ruling caste

[rose thorn]

Did they ever get 40k rules?

[arctic talon]

They brainwashed all the overlords and lords

[arctic talon]

no

[winter vessel]

still great book, but no matter how many times I look at it, it just looks like a poster for a UFC match

[arctic talon]

they got a single paint scheme in white dwarf and are now the necron poster boys for killteam

[storm jungle]

To be fair kind of was

[arctic talon]

which is their limelight

[storm jungle]

and yeee

they are cool

[arctic talon]

I think its neat how GW likes picking non standard color schemes

for Killteam

to fit the sneaky theme better

[storm jungle]

Yeah its mostly for xenos tho

[shadow plover]

Ithakas dynasty best dynasty

[storm jungle]

Imperials still remain "default"

[storm jungle]

gold ASS

[arctic talon]

Raven guard are in most of the art for KT2.0 funnily enough

I'm 99% sure that they were meant to be the poster boys for it

[storm jungle]

Yeee its mostly that its been just uh

[arctic talon]

but they didn't want to paint up more crap