40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Only one type

[crystal forum]

martyrdom

[arctic talon]

Lol

Also 4 of the imperial assassin types aren’t useful in this situation

You don’t need a sniper, infiltrator or anti psyker

[green loom]

Actually the culexus might be useful

[arctic talon]

Or a poisoner

[crystal forum]

i kinda just want to see the shenanigans happening on terra now

[arctic talon]

Ehhh the whole psychic connection thing with gsc

Might be an issue

[green loom]

Ok imagine Stalingrad

But unfathomably worse

[crystal forum]

it's not a full on war though right

[arctic talon]

It is

A full on war

[green loom]

It is yeah

[crystal forum]

bruh

why arent the arbites helping

it's their holy world

[green loom]

They are
But there aren't enough of them

[arctic talon]

This shit is going on

[crystal forum]

don't all galaxy wide arbites have an interest

[arctic talon]

Also it’s not very public what’s happening

The custodes are trying to keep it contained

[green loom]

They still have their own planets to protect also

[crystal forum]

so free training for custodes

wait can genestealers steal custodes genes

[arctic talon]

No

They’re Uber fucked up

Genetically

It’s like trying to infect a csm

Their dna is just fucked beyond belief

[green loom]

It's also just not how they work

[arctic talon]

^

[green loom]

Their main deal is just reproducing

[arctic talon]

Custodes don’t have kids

[green loom]

Neither marines nor custodes reproduce

[arctic talon]

And are probably sterile

[green loom]

They also just

[arctic talon]

Have 0 sex drive

Yeah

[green loom]

Have the mental strength to block out the signal as well probably

[crystal forum]

what even are custodes

i keep thinking of them as space marines

[green loom]

So imagine you have this rich family
They have a kid named Timmy who's nice and healthy
They give him to the custodes, and he's then subjected to months to years of brutal gene editing and alchemy

[crystal forum]

do they still do it

[arctic talon]

Yes

[green loom]

They are quite literally sculpted

[crystal forum]

i thought custodes were all from way long ago

[arctic talon]

Custodes are pretty much rebuilt from the ground up

Genetically

[arctic talon]

The tech is

[green loom]

A lot of them are, but they can still make new ones

[arctic talon]

It’s mostly likely dark age of technology crap

[crystal forum]

so they dont have gene seeds

[arctic talon]

Nope

They’re “human”

[green loom]

No they're all individually edited from the ground up

[arctic talon]

^

Each one is a work of art arguably

From a scientific standpoint

[crystal forum]

how do space marines view them

[green loom]

Holy guardians of the emperor

[crystal forum]

no animosity for not being true space marines?

[arctic talon]

No

Because they’re superior

The custodes dislike marines

A ton

[crystal forum]

why

[green loom]

Yeah, marines are a cheap knockoff using a shortcut

[arctic talon]

They see them as a flawed creation

[winter vessel]

Pour one out for Ra Endymion, that boy knew what his orders were and did not hesitate to run with Drach'nyen stabbed into him.

[green loom]

Guess who caused the heresy

[arctic talon]

And half of them went traitor lol

They think the primarchs and marines

[crystal forum]

lol

[arctic talon]

Were a bad idea

One of them straight up hates guilliman lol

And constantly argues with him

[crystal forum]

so do custodes predate primarchs

[arctic talon]

Yes

[winter vessel]

yes

[green loom]

Yeah by a while

[crystal forum]

now this is funny

[arctic talon]

They’re unification war era

[crystal forum]

so they're like thunder warriors

[green loom]

The earliest ones are the children of old Terran chieftains

[arctic talon]

Older

^

[crystal forum]

older???

[green loom]

And much more delicate

[arctic talon]

They were the first genewarriors

The emperor made

But it was way too costly lol

And he couldn’t secure the territory he needed

[crystal forum]

who's the oldest still alive

[arctic talon]

We dunno

[winter vessel]

Fingers crossed that Ra Endymion, leader of Squad Dynastes, is still alive. somehow inside the blade.

[arctic talon]

Prolly one of the dreads

A ton of custodes died

[green loom]

Supposedly Constantine is still kicking

Somewhere

[arctic talon]

During the siege of terra

[arctic talon]

Also this

It’s prolly Constantine

Who’s the first custodes

And also really really weird

Even for a custodes

[crystal forum]

are they all weird

[arctic talon]

Sorta?

[winter vessel]

well their names can be an essay long

[arctic talon]

They’re flesh constructs to an extent

They’re 100% loyal to the emperor

Always agree with him deep down

[green loom]

They're all mega indoctrinated but also have a kind of fucked up individuality that cannot oppose Emp's

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[green loom]

They can consider other view points

They can argue

But they physically can't oppose him

[arctic talon]

Yeah

That

[winter vessel]

Remember how Trazyn released a Custodes he kept in his collection during the Fall of Cadia?

[arctic talon]

Yeah that guy mcfucking died lol

Trying to kill abbadon

[crystal forum]

so do they know what he wants

[winter vessel]

should've brought the thunder warrior instead, lol

[arctic talon]

Yesnt

[green loom]

They're a bit more than body guard

[arctic talon]

They don’t know his full plan

But he told them a lot

[green loom]

But he also didn't tell all of them everything

[arctic talon]

^

[green loom]

The majority are just there to sound cool and obey

[winter vessel]

Aquilan Shield are my fave

[crystal forum]

do they sound cool

[green loom]

No

[crystal forum]

fuck

[green loom]

Since again they cannot disagree with emps basically at all

[crystal forum]

can they take on primarchs

[green loom]

Which ends up being a very weird contrast to them being giga reasonable for everything except that

[arctic talon]

No

[green loom]

The only one to sort of hold his own in a casual sparring match was Valdor

The rest nah

[arctic talon]

The ones sent to body guard guilliman basically wondered how the fuck

They were gona keep up with him

[green loom]

Custodes are still modded/perfected humans
Primarchs are a different organism entirely

[arctic talon]

Also custodes are never psychic

[crystal forum]

why

[arctic talon]

Idk

[green loom]

Dunno, lack of psyker gene maybe

[arctic talon]

They almost always work with the sisters of silence

Tbf

So it might be an intentional design

[green loom]

Maybe emps wanted to be cooler

[arctic talon]

Lol

[green loom]

Ykno talking about all this the custodes really are just a monument to Emp's ego

[arctic talon]

Absolutely lol

And just like the emperor a really big gun can kill them

[crystal forum]

they literally wear gold armour

[arctic talon]

[winter vessel]

Custodes have a good relationship with the Sisters of Battle. Morvenn Vahl, Current Abbess of the Adepta Sororitas and one of the high lords, uses a power spear as part of her arsenal, which was gifted to her by the Golden Banana Heads.

[green loom]

They are pain stakingly crafted, perfect warriors who can't ever beat him
Knowledgeable scholars, artists and philosophers who can't never match or challenge him

[crystal forum]

so can custodes kill sly marbo

[arctic talon]

No

[crystal forum]

fuck

[arctic talon]

Sly Marbo is the ultimate human

Smh

[winter vessel]

Sly Marbo is a constant force, ain't nothing can kill Sly Marbo but Sly Marbo.

[crystal forum]

can we just put 10 custodes on catachan

would they even survive

[arctic talon]

Prolly for a bit lol

Then the tank sized fauna will get them

That totally isn’t a devolved tyranid

[languid salmon]

Better than the chaos marines

[arctic talon]

True

This thing is totally a devolved tyranid

Like the fenrisian kraken

[crystal forum]

i wanna pet it

[winter vessel]

The Fauna did the heavy lifting during the Indomitous Crusade. By the time the Imperium arrived, the Chaos incursion was taken care of.

[languid salmon]

That’s just Jerry he’s chill

[crystal forum]

is there a single edible fruit on catachan

[arctic talon]

Probsbly

I’d assume the plant itself will prolly try killing you

[queen laurel]

Statement of the swarm lord about something that resembles a tyranid

[crystal forum]

actually we keep seeing lists of things that will kill you but never a list of safe things on catachan

[arctic talon]

But most of the more peaceful flora and fauna prolly don’t get mentioned because they’re boring

No one’s gone talk about the Uber fast growing grass

Or a tree that explodes if you set it on fire

[queen laurel]

I wonder if i can find a way to harness the growth properties of that, in order to make plants grow quicker to meet supply demands

[winter vessel]

face eater

[languid salmon]

There are only things that are “safe” are when they are compared to everything else on that planet

[winter vessel]

the heretic ant

[arctic talon]

Heretic ants are hilarious ngl

[crystal forum]

catachan guys must eat something

[arctic talon]

Also horrifying

[arctic talon]

They do

Catachan devils are edible

They hunt them with tanks usually lmao

[languid salmon]

There’s grox as well but they became carnivores on that planet

[crystal forum]

that planet has no chill

[languid salmon]

Yeah pretty much

[queen laurel]

That explains stonetooth harker

Whatever he's eating definitely helped him

[crystal forum]

how do these fuckers keep getting such gains

their rations are straight up protein shakes

[queen laurel]

It's catachan, there is a lot of protein rich animals in that place i bet

[arctic talon]

The plants prolly have protein

Lol

[languid salmon]

Also that same life forces constant work outs every day just to live

[crystal forum]

i bet the dirt doesn't want to kill you

[languid salmon]

But what about what’s living in the dirt

[crystal forum]

oh the bugs

[arctic talon]

Heretic ants

[crystal forum]

they must be edible

[arctic talon]

My beloved

They are

But they also try killing you lol

[crystal forum]

what's a heretic ant

[arctic talon]

Tiny ants that chew through your shoes and kill you

A few bites is lethal

[crystal forum]

and let me guess

the bites hurt extremely

[arctic talon]

They don’t actually

That’s why they’re called heretic ants

They’re subversive

[rose thorn]

Okay so I saw in the ‘is typing’

And I saw

[arctic talon]

And secretive

[rose thorn]

‘Janitor Jay and The Swarm Lord’

[languid salmon]

So what about the ork population on the planet

[rose thorn]

And it’s so fuckinh funny

[arctic talon]

Having fun

[rose thorn]

Al I imagine is some poor janitor not realizing there’s a Tyranid invasion with his headphones in

And then there’s the swarm lord

[queen laurel]

There are Orks in catachan?

[rose thorn]

There’s orks everywhere, anywhere an orks died there’s orks

[languid salmon]

Yes. A named ork psyker came from there

[queen laurel]

Fair point

[rose thorn]

Check your shoes there might be on in there

[queen laurel]

A named Ork weirdboy

Hold on

[rose thorn]

And if you find someone who says AOS is terrible because it destroyed warhammer fantasy

That’s also an ork

[crystal forum]

tyranids let me live if i clean the toilets

[rose thorn]

Mopping for the hive mind

[crystal forum]

they're pretty chill actually

[rose thorn]

Their job is to keep the area around the birthing pools clean

[languid salmon]

Yep could turn people into squigs

[rose thorn]

Can’t let any on slip

[crystal forum]

smoking a joint with a hive queen

[queen laurel]

Has to be Old Zogwort

[languid salmon]

Yep

[queen laurel]

His favorite spell is turning people into squigs

[queen laurel]

Used to think that but after some time of accepting i decided to like aos

They have some baller shit

[rose thorn]

Yeah lmao, and it’s all people who really never played AOS

Lol

[rose thorn]

I admit the stuff that’s old world, is kinda eh. Like bone breakers need an update. But tbh I don’t like 90% of old world not counting TWW

But I’m also a dnd nerd who actually reads the lore

So maybe I’m too pre exposed to normal fantasy shit

[arctic talon]

Total war warhammer

Is a lot better asthetically then original warhammer fantasy

[rose thorn]

Oh good I was worried I was being hypocritical

[queen laurel]

I agreed, don't get me wrong i absolutely love warhammer fantasy but some of their designs getting given life treatment definitely helped a lot

Especially some of the more unknown monsters

And you know characters

[arctic talon]

Kroak coming back literally makes sense tho lol

he's fucking dead

[rose thorn]

Also gw is smart enough to put a black market to a lot of it old old fantasy stuff

[arctic talon]

I'm pretty sure kroak can survive getting blown up

I get liking fantasy

but there's a level of like you need to understand what you want to criticize

[rose thorn]

“GW KILLED MY FAVORITE FACTION”

[queen laurel]

There is a thin line between liking something and being obsessed with it

[rose thorn]

yeAH

[queen laurel]

And these guys have clearly cross the line

[rose thorn]

Here’s the models names

https://preview.redd.it/z3p0388s0v341.png?auto=webp&s=e6e72af852c9c0bfcceed8ae6d88209d9d496bc3

[queen laurel]

Oh god

Uh yeah

That's quite rough

[arctic talon]

Nippon had some uh

lore

[languid salmon]

Is it bad that I want to see one solo a chaos chosen

[queen laurel]

Remembers the sister of battle scene

Hmm yeah this is definitely true

[summer rover]

and that's why it was successful!

[rose thorn]

Don’t forget the empire’s favorite unit

The money lenders

I will admit

Gw replaced the lore with something a lot cooler

And not as racist

But yeah pls don’t trust oldhammer purists pls.

[rose thorn]

lol

gw made an open like

"hey we fucked up"

"for now own we will make sure nothing liek this gets through and we make this hobby open for everyone"

and they have kept their word

[crystal forum]

holy shit the one on the left

[rose thorn]

yeah

[crystal forum]

see this is why i don't touch fantasy

and i actually hope twitter makes GW apologize for that shit

like christ that wasn't made in the 60's

[rose thorn]

They already did, like 2 years ago

As long as they don’t do something stupid and bring it back for old world

Pull a Fanta ‘old time flavor’

‘Nothing beats the classics’

‘Rewind back to the past’

Fanta was invented in nazi germany during a crisis, and the German branch of coke who were cut off from the us wanted sugar reserves 💀

So no shit rotten apples and cheese rag juice were used to make the cal or

[arctic talon]

They apologized for it years ago

like twice

they know its wrong at the very least

[summer rover]

you can complain about the racism but that center one would make a boss-ass advisor unit.

[echo vault]

Do warrior priests exist in AoS

[celest dome]

Yes

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warrior_Priest

[crimson kayak]

ye, ill be fair and say im not really liking it as a game, but look wise idk what the fuck they talk about

now that i think about it how's the aos content on warhammer+? considering i literally can't find something about it anywhere else

[crimson kayak]

usually if it was in the old world it's also in aos

[green loom]

What a take lmao

Which monkey said this

"My setting on a world that's just irl bastardized with boring tropes is creatively superior to this high fantasy setting with unique factions"

[celest dome]

I dislike there not being unit production/buildings

[crimson kayak]

btw i just noticed the kruelboyz for the first time and all i can say is what did they do to my orks

[green loom]

Fantasy has: undead Egyptians with names pulled straight from mythology, literal basic stereotype vampires in fucking Warhammer transylvania
AoS has: a reanimated mass of bones filled with warrior constructs immune to the horrors of war, a horde of ghastly criminals punished for their crimes in death, deranged courts of deformed, freakish, cannibalistic nobility and just vampire counts in AoS

[crimson kayak]

aren't the deformed cannibalistic nobles just strigoi basically?

[green loom]

Think the Strigoi weren't deranged like that?

[crimson kayak]

or however the fuck the deformed vampires were called

yep just checked, flesh eater courts are basically aos strigoi, but crazier

[green loom]

I like them, more flavourful

Also I mean, look at Katakros

[celest dome]

THere are still normal looking Orks around

[green loom]

That guy runs laps and shits on basically every old fantasy design

[crimson kayak]

ye ik of Ironjaws

and well the savage orks

[green loom]

Least based AoS model

[crimson kayak]

tbf this makes me think about all the characters like Leontus who are said to be followed by literal armies of underlings and their models are literally just them in the shittiest pose they could find

[green loom]

Head chaos honcho, master of the Black Crusade(Chump in terminator armour)

[queen laurel]

i like Kruleboyz, they have reasons to be that thin

[green loom]

Head Chaos Honcho, Master of the End Times, Everchosen, Grand Marshal of the Apocalypse

Idk man something tells me that GW doesn't actually hate AoS

[celest dome]

The AoS artist look like they are getting a lot of fun and liberties

[coarse pumice]

The FB model was cooler

[crimson kayak]

imo they should have went more for the "disproportioned limbs" part of their physiology, as they stand they look like malnourished uruk-hai

[crimson kayak]

oh shit that's the first time i see archaeon model on aos lol

[coarse pumice]

Where’s the slaanesh head too

[green loom]

Slaanesh is dead

[coarse pumice]

[crimson kayak]

ye

[queen laurel]

shhhh those are corrupted elves

[green loom]

Teclis and Tyrion killed it lmao

[coarse pumice]

You can go to the AOS part of the GW store and buy slaanesh units tho

[green loom]

It's coming back now but it was gone for a while

[coarse pumice]

I wonder if they planned the same in 40k

[queen laurel]

i thought the bastard was at prison

[green loom]

And is also still imprisoned

[coarse pumice]

With Eldrad’s thing, but backtracked last minutes

[green loom]

It's why thar be elves in AoS

They dug them out of Slaanesh's belly

[crimson kayak]

basically slaneesh the god is gone his followers are not

[green loom]

Eldar lore in a shellnut

[coarse pumice]

Were they planning on removing slaanesh toatally even from 40k

But backtracked on it

[queen laurel]

can they still use the lore of slaanesh?

[green loom]

Sounds like it with the Ynnari

But they probably realized literally no one cared about the Ynnari

And the books were also ass apparently

[queen laurel]

you know slaanesh related magic

[crimson kayak]

Ynnari definetly got the axe when they realized their story was going too fast

wich is most probably what's gonna happen once again with vashtoor

[green loom]

Oh yeah you can actually have a narrative in AoS without it destroying the entire setting

Oh shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQbe0lZ_GOw&ab_channel=EmpireOfExcellence

They released the trailer track

Nice

[stark cargo]

I like the Ynnari. 🥹 But I get your point. 😁

[vale shuttle]

my recent expedition into age of sigmar have convinced me that GW love it far more than 40k

i don't think that's exactly true, since aos definitely doesnt bring in as much as 40k, but there's definitely a lot of love for aos and it's really neat

[crimson kayak]

it doesn't simply cause 40k isn't a new title tbf

[vale shuttle]

aos isn't new either it's like eight years old

[crimson kayak]

dude warhammer 40k started in 87

[queen laurel]

I used to not really like AOS, but after learning some things about it I can't help but say I've never been more glad to be wrong, i mean look at this Killaboss on Corpse-rippa Vulcha, it looks sick

[green loom]

It's their second biggest earner

Probably why they're comfy investing this much in it

[vale shuttle]

my personal favourite is the chaos lord on karkadrak

ive found myself loving the s2d models, i think they look so much better than chaos marines

i've had a tonne of fun painting my old start collecting: s2d box recently, it's really rekindled my love fOR CHAOS

[queen laurel]

mine is a Megaboss on a Maw-Krusha

[vale shuttle]

GODDAMN that's a cool model

what a chunky dragon

[green loom]

Cabbage

[queen laurel]

Also The funny thing is it's basically a tigrex in monster hunter

[vale shuttle]

i do not know what a tigrex in monster hunter is but i appreciate how huge of a lad that dragon is

[stark cargo]

Similar. It's mostly still not my cup of tea. But I mostly like how they are using the bigger design space they now have.

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah that thing can glide

reason?

Gravity don't want smoke with them

[green loom]

I'm watching adepticon livestreams rn and there's this one guy that, for like half the video, just nagged on about Primaris

Like ok Gamza chill

[queen laurel]

i mean concept of primaris isn't original but with how the setting is going right now they need everything they can get

[green loom]

Least decked out AoS character

[queen laurel]

even the savage orks look pretty good

[crimson kayak]

as i always said primaris could have been a good idea if they were presented as marine upgrades and not as fully new marines

[queen laurel]

Yeah that's the thing but that's not enough reasoning to say that they're the worst decision ever made

[green loom]

They even had a basis for it with the raptors

[crimson kayak]

i mean obviously they weren't the worst thing done to 40k by a longshot

[green loom]

Or whatever the hell Corvus made

[stark cargo]

I like the normal Primaris space marine models. The proportions look way better than the old space marines. Not happy about the fluff, but once the transition is over, it feels easy enough to ignore?

[crimson kayak]

yeah like, they could have just introduced the rubicon without the whole "Emperor palpatine hiding the biggest army in the galaxy" moment and it would have been fine, hell, the ultima founding could have even still occured without it being done from literal activated blank slates

[stark cargo]

True. And why focus on the stuff you don't like that much? Who cares? It's a big setting, just focus on what you like. It's not like it's getting ruined by that one single thing. Not even Tau and Custodes managed to do that. 🤪

[crimson kayak]

i mean, design wise i love them except for the reaver skull helmet, lore wise it wasn't the best decision but it was fine for me

[celest dome]

Still gonna need some VPirate in the Old World tbh

[queen laurel]

The only way I interpreted the arrival of the primaris was, "oh now you guys are deciding to do something new besides ******* yourself"

[vale shuttle]

great value primaris marines

[celest dome]

What is it lorewise ?

[crimson kayak]

mostly the fact they got the Sith Trooper treatment of literally being activated out of nowhere and the fact this was able to go unnoticed for 10 thousand years while it would require like, multiple forge worlds worth to produce that much equipment

[coarse pumice]

It should have just been a new armour mark and weapons/formation

Maybe made the process less risky so they could recruit faster

[coarse pumice]

Fantasy chaos have always been better than chaos marines

[celest dome]

That's cause they are still Mortals, not SM

Well, not to say SM aren't Immortal or anything

[vale shuttle]

normal dudes are very often more interesting than stinky "immortals" because there's pretty much always a desire to make the immortals all "ooohhh we're so different from humans because we're immortal" and most of the time that's hideoussly botched and leads to uninteresting characters

in this essay iw ill-

[queen laurel]

I mean making an immortal character without making them a mary sue is quite an achievement i must say

I think one of the most well done character that's immortal for me would be the chosen undead from dark souls

[coarse pumice]

Chaos Warriors are ones who’ve crossed the rubicon with gifts

They have no more mortal cares, while normal chaos followers like marauders still have human cares like family, shelter etc

[stark cargo]

Well, you could paint them as a more pronounced kind of Boomer. 😁 But for some reasons, authors appear hesitant to make their immortals feel... old.

[queen laurel]

Yeah it would be hard for an immortal not to change his personality after living for so long

[crystal forum]

can you imagine being immortal and having to remember 1000 years of your life?

[storm jungle]

Yeah after a point you naturally would just stop caring

About nationalities, about politics, about people, about time etc

its why most people consider immortality worse than death sometimes

[crystal forum]

I wouldn't mind personally. if your brain remains unaffected then after 200 years you go redo the same stuff you've already done and feel like it's new again

[green loom]

I made a low effort meme about Kais and it's now my most upvoted post

[stark cargo]

Personally, I like it in Doctor Who (sometimes), the 40k Dreadnoughts and some Vampires. And Gaimans Endless, of course. But a lot of it is just 20-year-Olds that got very powerful, and sometimes arrogant.

[storm jungle]

Thats kinda established in Twice Dead King, where necrons are told to have hobbies otherwise they'll actually go insane with time

[crystal forum]

also at a certain point of not caring about time you can start doing dumb stuff like spending 500 years digging a tunnel from the US to england

[storm jungle]

Yeah but like thats easier said than done

having hobbies is good but it will eventually start to slowly rub away at you

[crystal forum]

yeah i'd probably get extremely bored after 50 years lmao

also those horror scenarios of being stuck somewhere and having to wait hundreds of years to get out

[storm jungle]

Yeah or just being alone

it reminds me of this one DC story where Savage an immortal dude succeeds in his evil supervillain plan and kills the entire world

then he realises he fucked up immensely because hes immortal and all alone now

[stark cargo]

True. People might be the hardest part. Might not go without them, might no longer bear losing them. It's a lose-lose scenario for most

[storm jungle]

Yeah we are social animals

like i remember one vsauce video where they lock him in a room for 7 days and without human contact or any sort of interaction he actually starts going mental

its very rough to watch

[green loom]

Uhh

I go weeks without proper human contact

[storm jungle]

same

[stark cargo]

Introverts. 😁

[green loom]

No I'm just lonely

[crystal forum]

i actually wouldn't care about the everybody dying part

like you can start a family and then see it grow over the millenia, guiding it to prosperity

[storm jungle]

Oh no i meant like theres no human life left

[crystal forum]

true

[storm jungle]

if like civilizations are actually there then yeah people you know dying are not too "bad".

Once the actual family you had alongside other relatives are gone you'll probably eventually move on

anyone else after that is just a random person you kinda would care but move past in your life probably

[crystal forum]

oh that's just great great great great great great great grandfather bob

[storm jungle]

[stark cargo]

I'm not so sure about that. Does losing your second dog hurt less than hurting your first dog?

[storm jungle]

I mean it depends

mostly on the connection you make with the person in question

i sure as hell would never own a pet becuse i deal with loss terribly

[stark cargo]

I agree. But I also think that getting attached is a very human thing

Not sure if it kinda fades over time. I'm not that old yet. 😁

[storm jungle]

It definitely fades if you've lived long enough i think

we just dont really know because we all live around 90-100 years or so

[crystal forum]

it probably fades like it does for soldiers

but that could also be mental trauma sooooo

could also be a societal thing

[storm jungle]

brain is fucked up mang

[crystal forum]

i think some cultures see death as less of a sad event than others

after 1000 years you probably find a way to cope

i'd write down every death i knew so as not to forget them

[storm jungle]

yeah some cultures see it as like uh

another chapter in life

which is a very nice way to cope on it

[queen laurel]

on another note, you might be able to play any of the new games, and maybe just maybe GTA 6

[crystal forum]

yeah let's be real we'd probably play video games forever and become the kings of all MMO's due to time investment

[queen laurel]

Or the fact that we can try every game possible without really missing out because well you can just wait for it to go into sale

[crystal forum]

and get an infinite money glitch by just putting 100$ in an investment account and waiting 100 years

[queen laurel]

I swear I can just see the image of the accountant's face

"sir, how are you alive it's been 100 years"

[crystal forum]

"oh you know, good diet, exercise..."

guy looks like he's 25

[queen laurel]

Yeah but I think he has to fake his identity to just you know say like

Oh he's my ancestor

Because no way in hell they will believe you lived for 100 years

[crystal forum]

i don't think banks let you do that though

[queen laurel]

yeah

[crystal forum]

honestly banks probably have a hidden clause that says anybody with immortality is not eligible

[topaz gate]

Hey is their any modern day weapon that can pierce Space Marine armor? Me and my friend are trying to see if Postal Dude could kill one.

[storm jungle]

I mean almost literally anything

or just any explosive/armor piercing weaponry

I also unfortunately never played Postal so I dont know how supernaturally deranged Postal Guy is

https://tenor.com/view/postal-postal2-postal-dude-petition-postal-petition-gif-24359792

[crimson kayak]

If it wasn't made of Fantasy materials we could know, but generally if it goes big boom it can at the very least wound one

[celest dome]

Autogun can sometime peirce it so yes

[green loom]

POV Fist captain at the siege of terra

[crimson kayak]

Yeah but tbf for the argument of postal dude vs a marine i think the armour is the least of concerns

Considering what postal dude did is the average Tuesday of a guard veteran, and that's counting paradise lost too

[queen laurel]

As long as it has a decent stopping power and you know where to aim it will likely go through

[storm jungle]

Postal Dude is basically your strongest Savlar Chemdog

he will get Guilliman to sign his petition

📋

[arctic talon]

anything explosive/anti tank can deal with a marine fine

considering Genestealer cultists make pipe bombs on crack to kill them

[crimson kayak]

Tbf yeah, you could just look at the genestealer cultists arsenal

The fuckers are offing custodes on terra I guess they can deal with marines

[storm jungle]

Yeah most of their arsenals are like ultra-penetrative stuff

aka high-end mining tools made to damage hard minerals and such

like lasers, saws, grinders, etc

[queen laurel]

I mean they will need that considering the fact that the imperium tends to go over the top with extermination problems

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

don't look at me like that you know damn well what happens to the populace if a certain heretical rat gets into the city

[earnest snow]

I am the reason why tertium got diseased. They focused on the 6th betraying but it was really me, the warp rat!

[crystal forum]

he's a lot more deranged in the first game. in the second game he's just a nihilist.

[storm jungle]

he had become consumed by 4chan

[crystal forum]

most probably anything specifically made to be anti materiel like american 50 cal and up. Shotguns would have absolutely no effect with buckshot but assault rifles could maybe penetrate if you hit weakspots

[crystal forum]

the first game ends with a mock sequence where you're at a kindergarten. It caused so much outrage that the media hooked into it and said you can kill kids in the game. You can't really do that though, all the kids are invincible on purpose so you're left shooting with no effect as the game fades into the ending where postal dude spends an eternity in hell

it's a pretty fucked up game

*the first postal

[storm jungle]

LMAO

thats actually a really good ending wow

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/XeeTBxQiuII

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

The worst part is that it use to represent going so off jn the deep end, you do something that’s unimaginable

But I’m the remake it’s not in the game because it’s not soemthing unimaginable anymore

Scalpers are being weird on eBay, they are selling leviathan for like, 5 bucks more lamo

Or selling halves of the box for a reasonable price

I remember seeing soul guard for 500 dollars why are they being so modest

[crystal forum]

store stocks might be catching up to them

if they're selling for such low profit margin then they're desperate to get rid of their "investments"

feels so good to imagine some idiots with mountains of product desperately trying to get back what they paid for

[rose thorn]

Lmao

I’m tempted to buy leviathen

[crystal forum]

really annoying that companies have to pump out a ton of product just to overwhelm scalpers

like we're at the point with online stores that scalpers literally cause shortages

[storm jungle]

They learned to counter them this once after like... how many botched releases now, 7-8?

[crystal forum]

maybe when they start realizing how much money they're losing from product collecting dust on shelves they'll start adding the many anti bot features that exist

[storm jungle]

Cursed City anyone?

[crystal forum]

it's been ruining card games for many years

playing magic is like going into the stock market now

but words cannot express my hatred of people who take advantage of niche hobby communities to make money

and again this will only make hobby companies lose a ton of money from lost sales and then excess product

[green loom]

me when I want to do commission art

[storm jungle]

You steal all the items from a store and sell them yourself to make money?

I do that a lot too

[green loom]

I buy them for cheap and sell them at a mark up

At least

That's what my family does

Grocery scalper is one hell of a job title

[rose thorn]

Buying all the eggs before national breakfast day

[tough haven]

Very, just sociopathic af

[tough haven]

Immortality, unless with very very specific stipulations is a curse for sure

[crimson kayak]

you'd start forgetting kinda like how you don't remember being a very smol kid

[celest dome]

I don't remember last week

[crimson kayak]

that's the point, with immortality you'd probably start losing the sense of time completely after your first century

[celest dome]

If I became Immortal I porbably try to develop various skills, like learn to use excel perfectly, wood working and such, would be the only way to stay sane
And pick up a Personal Journal or something

[copper slate]

What would the 40K equivalent of 'his voice sounds like he gargles with glass'?

[crimson kayak]

i mean, glass is a thing in 40k?

so i guess the same?

unless i misunderstood the question

[copper slate]

It just sounds a little too mundane... If it helps, the speaker is Guardsman?

[celest dome]

He sound like he gargles with Kraks grenades ?

[crimson kayak]

"did the enginseer get a hold of his throat?"

[copper slate]

I like yours, Monsi. (and then man with the fucked up voice turns around and reveals a freaking BABY wrapped up in a blanket.)

Little boy is the sole survivor of settlement that had been sacked by Khornites.

[queen laurel]

I don't know when you will use something orky but
"Da git sounds like he'z got a Choppa shoved down his neck"

[copper slate]

Nah, it's going to be a Guardsman, reporting about an encounter with a Warframe. Said Warframe had found an infant survivor of a sacked settlement and was looking for some humans to return the child to.

[queen laurel]

Ah yes, out of curiosity what is the Warframe going to be just a basic excalibur?

Or you're talking about the different type of Warframe

[copper slate]

No! ExUmbra.

Hence the 'Karked-up' voice.

[queen laurel]

Oh so it is from the game

[copper slate]

Yes.

[queen laurel]

Personally more of a rhino main myself, had to stop playing because grinding ain't really my thing and the drop chances can be abysmal

[copper slate]

Suffice to say, Asha and her 'frames cause MUCH confusion to the Imperium.

[queen laurel]

Even a basic warframe can f*** up a good portion of the imperium

Good luck trying to get through the armor of a rhino while he can plow through all the tanks you have

Good luck trying to catch excalibur

And don't even get me started on the other warframes

[crimson kayak]

Frames and operators, especially modern post new war and all That shaz literally only have the problem of numbers

Main thing through is that I wouldn't see them helping the imperium to begin with consider they are basically Grineers with Even more slavery

[queen laurel]

Yeah, but make sure the mechanicus is at least 10,000 light years away from them because i am pretty f****** sure that warframe technology will have them interested if you know my drift

[crimson kayak]

Tbf warframes regularly one man handle capital ships size threats

[copper slate]

Not like Asha's got a lot of choices...

[queen laurel]

Yeah, that's a fair point

[crimson kayak]

I mean, in game you literally wage a war against 2 different factions while helpings small rebel settlements

But I get the point

[crimson kayak]

Yeah they would still have a problem with psychic attacks through

[queen laurel]

I'm not well versed in warframe lore so can you tell me the average power level of an average warframe

[crimson kayak]

Eeeeeh, it's weird, but basically consider 1 the equivalent of a guard regiment minimum

In terms of fighting capabilities

Then you get on the reality benders side of frames and that just gets to bullshit power creeping

Also the stuff they fight is usually on the same level of bonkers as 40k threats

[queen laurel]

I like rhino, but i do want to know where he places in power level

Because well they don't really explain how strong he is

[crimson kayak]

Basically any frame can Atleast de-crew a space ship in it's entirety

Rhino can be described with Sundowner screaming "I'm fucking invincible"

Because his gist is being well, the Og tank frame

[queen laurel]

And his most devastating attack is a stasis stomp

[crimson kayak]

Ye, then you have people like vauban who's power is batman's utility belt.

Or limbo who mastered creating small dimensional fractures

So it scales very wildly

[queen laurel]

damn

[crimson kayak]

Yeah and thats not counting the weapons in themselves

Like, the grineer most basic weapon is the equivalent of a mechanicum Macrostubber

[queen laurel]

Jesus

[copper slate]

"You'd expect a ship of the Plaugefather's cult to be filthy and disease riddled, but no... This one looked like someone had taken a Flamer, or maybe even a Meltagun to the inside of that Hertic ship..."

[crimson kayak]

Tbf lorewise they were created to deal with robots that have even more adaptation capabilities than the nids, and on the fly too

So I guess bonkers threat requires bonkers countermeasures

[queen laurel]

Damn, power level my ass this is a power rubik's cube while playing chess asleep

[crimson kayak]

Ye, there's a reason it's like millions of years in the future

[green loom]

Revelation: 40k is mid to low high on the power level scale when it comes to scifi

[crimson kayak]

Yep

[storm jungle]

Yeah a lot of people dont really realise this

[queen laurel]

That's been a long revelation of mine really i just don't pay attention to those other sci fi stuff

Like people keep praising the bolter even though inside the universe there are even more ridiculous guns

A gun that can atomize you a gun that is a living creature a gun that has bullets that have brains in them

[green loom]

People keep gawping at the Daemonculaba despite there being many, MANY worse fates in setting

[storm jungle]

^

probably the one that annoys me the most

especialyl as a female fan

"OMG HYPER GORE PREGNANCY"

motherfucker read some books

[queen laurel]

The motto of warhammer 40k is

It can't get worse can it?

Fortunately it can

[crimson kayak]

Meanwhile the small living meat fetishes that Curze used to wear

[green loom]

"omg this is fucked up!"
The Haemonculi: "Allow us to introduce ourselves"

[storm jungle]

40k is just mid like Ede said imo

[crimson kayak]

Eh, 40k is really not that much, most of the stuff is literally "it's a modern thing... But Big"

[storm jungle]

its ridiculous but like

[green loom]

It's absurd, not powerful

[storm jungle]

a single Gundam can also just wipe out an entire titanclade

[storm jungle]

this yeah lol

unfortunately only imperial fans get pissy when you tell them how a Guardian squad from Destiny can probably take out an entire space marine fortress monastery like its a raid event

[green loom]

Some tell them about Kais

Who did that, alone

[crimson kayak]

No, the guy with literal immortality can't fight my super dude with less tech than the guardian!

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's absurd but there are other sci-fi things out there that can probably kick it in, like pancreas no work said for example that forerunners in halo would immediately hit a good portion of the universe

[storm jungle]

Oh god you reminded me

theres also like nightmarish scenarios such as the Flood too

which is like a universe ending threat since they can literally infect reality itself

[green loom]

They can infect everything
Except master chief of course

[storm jungle]

Lmaooo

plot moment

[crimson kayak]

More than the infection part

[queen laurel]

Yeah, you think the tyranids is bad well

Imagine being so horrifying that they made the weapon designed specifically to f*** you over by killing everything besides you

[crimson kayak]

Is the fact they retain ALL ABILITIES AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE INFECTED

And ADD IT TO THE HIVE MIND

[storm jungle]

I think the worst part of the Flood is unlike Nids they literally learn from EVERYONE they consume, the moment they consume someone important in the Imperial chain of command its fucked

[green loom]

Tbf that's straight up what Kryptman did

[storm jungle]

realistically speaking you cannot deal with something like that

[crimson kayak]

Rememeber the flood piloted a Unsc space ship right into earth

[storm jungle]

Yep

and they had to nuke a good portion of africa to stop it

[green loom]

It was a covenant ship

[queen laurel]

John, the car just drives without fuel

Damn it harry, i told you this green mushroom people aren't good

[crimson kayak]

Oh true

[green loom]

They piloted the In Amber Clad into High Charity though

[storm jungle]

Yeah they can just do that to any imperial world

because the biomass is just insane

the moment they get off-world is when shit gets real bad

at that point they'd just make a massive infected bio-spacehulk

[queen laurel]

A fight between the tyranid and the flood would be the greatest pokemon battle the universe has ever seen on god

[storm jungle]

fr fr

tho im guessing the Flood would come out on top since they infect more than consume

its what makes them so dangerous

All it takes is a few waves of infection forms and its kinda over once it snowballs out of control

[queen laurel]

Yeah, unless the hive mind can adapt to the spores fast enough, the way i see it if they will engage a hive fleet win that fight and the next hive fleet would be a bit more resistant to the flood

[crimson kayak]

Yeah point of the flood is that they don't consume nothing, but get everything

[storm jungle]

Yeah the flood also kinda work like orks where the infection's abilities to infect get more OP the more the horde grows

[crimson kayak]

A guard regiment would literally have the guardsmen shooting each other as an infected guard could just start shooting his friends while horribly mutating

[storm jungle]

Yep guardsman stand no chance

[queen laurel]

Space marine immune system is pretty good but it's only a matter of time until they to succumb

[storm jungle]

Oh yeha deffo

because like

Marine biology is resistant sure but this is more of a forceful infection

and its been show they CAN get influenced by Genestealer DNA

[crimson kayak]

Nah, considering how no species in the halo galaxy could be not infected I think the only stop is literally just energy shields

[queen laurel]

The only faction that would slap the flood would be chaos, that's if there human followers can survive long enough to summon daemon hordes

[storm jungle]

Okay yeah true i was just trying to be fair

[storm jungle]

Also true

[crimson kayak]

When even the forerunners had to resort to Nuking the galaxy you know shit went wrong

[queen laurel]

There is also the necrons

The bane of everything bio

[green loom]

Flood have the logic plague for non biologicals

[crimson kayak]

Ye but flood Hive minds are actually smart you know

[queen laurel]

Yeah That

[green loom]

The only thing I can see happening is maybe the crons already being too insane to be bothered by it

[queen laurel]

Unfortunate

[shadow plover]

Thankfully the Imperium is so corrupt and tangled in it's own bureaucracy no one person knows enough to cause major collapse

[storm jungle]

LMAO

owned

[green loom]

The Codex at work

[crimson kayak]

The moment a flood form infects a forge world

Or a servitor colony

[green loom]

Imperium accidentally quarantines flood by making ships too exclusive

[queen laurel]

"What do you mean i have to slap holy water on this and say i love you machine to make this god damn reactor work"

[shadow plover]

Quite so

[storm jungle]

Yeah the Flood most of the time need to be NERFED since otherwise they'd literally kill everyone

[earnest snow]

Too bad no one in the imperial chain of command knows what is going on v.v

[storm jungle]

https://media.tenor.com/unoUItBhkSgAAAAd/halo-flood.gif

L bozo

[earnest snow]

Sabbat crusade my beloved conflict

Just convince the almighty Gravemind to love the emperor.

[crimson kayak]

Also yeah, on the matter of that, imagine if someone like the didact would compose an entire Hive world

[earnest snow]

And toss a single flood infected naval slave out the air lock

[crimson kayak]

Literally got the infinite troops glitch

[queen laurel]

"Convince the grave mind"
As if you can get close enough to the damn thing

[green loom]

I wish we got more UNSC ships, the designs are so pretty

[crimson kayak]

I mean arbie and chief did, Keyes meanwhile got a bit too close

[earnest snow]

I did. They smell kinda unique

[storm jungle]

Necrons can also do these with their canoptek constructs where you can just form an entire infinite army of them more or less, but nobody tries this because it would break the setting if this one necron overlord decided wage war that way lmao

[queen laurel]

Wait a minute
Oh hell no
Shoots you

[earnest snow]

[green loom]

And they also don't like waging war like that iirc? They're like grognards but in universe

[storm jungle]

Kinda

i dont think its ever addressed

its more of a logic the fans formed themselves

Necrons only dislike very few ways to wage war

[queen laurel]

Bro when the flood enters the warhammer universe, that celestial orrery disco party about to be very lit

[green loom]

Crons are usually leading their own armies so I figure it might be their own weird honour thing

[earnest snow]

So called "sentient necrons" when I put a magnet on their mother boards.

[storm jungle]

Bruh thats like a doomsday scenario at that point

[earnest snow]

Try being smart now

[crimson kayak]

Yeah but there's the difference of being produced vs a beam hits your planet, if you had any sort of brain function you got copy pasted into an hard light robot

[storm jungle]

[crimson kayak]

Wich actually makes me think if composing a necron would work

[green loom]

Does it work on AI

[crimson kayak]

Ai on halo doesn't have physical bodies to compose sadly

So we can't know

[green loom]

Yeah they'd be fine then

Cus they don't have "brains"
They're computers

Also check this out

[queen laurel]

Didn't a flood hive mind convinced a very smart ai

[green loom]

Logic plague

[queen laurel]

You posted this on fan art looks very very badass

[earnest snow]

I've talked to a lot of halo fans and other sci fi fans and I do believe that the flood is the one thing that would be able to threaten a lot of things in the 40k universe.

I've considered the sith and I'm kinda in the middle of: "they'd blow up" to "power? More power? They may adapt?" I can't really find a ground I am settled with them. Kinda just depends ig.

[crimson kayak]

as we said, the thing with the flood is that it's not a zombie virus

it's an hive mind storing the entire knowledge of each infected and being able to replicate the use of said tech against them

[storm jungle]

^

like that ability alone is broken OP

the game doesnt show this as much because its too powerful lol

[crimson kayak]

so if they get a hold of let's say a tech priest with a not fully rotting brain

we are fucked

[storm jungle]

pretty much

and it gets worse the more important people they consume

[green loom]

Sith would be right at home in 40k
Then problem?
Everyone is better at being Sith than they are

[earnest snow]

The flood made Richard Grey

[queen laurel]

Speaking of how would flood react to ork biology

[green loom]

Nom

[storm jungle]

More or less entirely override it i think

Flood are much more advanced spore wise compared to orkoid spores

[crimson kayak]

wouldn't care, they completely ovveride the host into a tumor-spawn

[storm jungle]

^

[green loom]

Orkoid spores are just hardy
And tasty, apparently

[queen laurel]

Yep i expected this much thank you for answering my question

[storm jungle]

with Nids vs Orks their battles are grounded because they still resort to weapons/melee brawls

Flood just infect

its what makes them scary

[earnest snow]

This poor flood infected computer

[storm jungle]

my guy has seen better days

[earnest snow]

Richard Grey when the flood

[crimson kayak]

thing is, the war in heaven era of halo had to resort to burning the entire galaxy down

[green loom]

It probably wouldn't matter

[earnest snow]

We need Ben Shapiro as a chaos God so the others can unite to fight against something as a distraction as the galaxy repairs itself

don't mind me I'm distracted and dumb

[green loom]

No Ben can stay in his corner, this fandom has enough bad takes

[earnest snow]

That's how he will distract them. Imagine hearing his voice from the cicatrix maledictum

[crimson kayak]

also yeah, stuff like the flood logic plague is not a single thing, it's a series of methods that the various grave minds know it's a sure-fire way of turning an AI to their cause

[earnest snow]

His voice echoes from it due to the breaking of reality

[crimson kayak]

it can go from self-replicating data that actually corrupts the ai to the grave mind literally just having an argument and prodding them like trying to make a robot break Asimov laws

[earnest snow]

The only way to deal with the flood is to find a suspicious ring floating in space and- dies

I've died and gone to heaven

[green loom]

They absorb a 4chan troll
Immediately capable of breaking everything

[crimson kayak]

yeah that's basically it lol

[earnest snow]

Lmao

[crimson kayak]

"its abstract nature as a mutable set of ideas and concepts rather than a quantifiable conventional virus"

[green loom]

You just fuck with it's algorithm/logic, literally

Because AI is stupid

[crimson kayak]

ye, and it got so effective the forerunners resorted to instantly blowing up any AI with a minimal sign of infection

like, literally the Inquisition exterminatus meme, but done for real

[queen laurel]

Replace the forerunners with imperium and ai with citizen

[crimson kayak]

thing is it's not just the ai, but everything the ai is connected too, so you see a ship wich may be infected? the entire ship has to go

[queen laurel]

Yeah the flood is horrible

[crimson kayak]

"The Composer is a machine created by the Forerunners to translate an organic being's mental content into machine data. Categorized as a sublimation device, the Composer was meant to provide seamless transitions between biological and digital states" so yeah, regarding the Composer it seems it's literally what the C'tan did but a bit more humane

well, after being melted that is

[earnest snow]

So uhh

Would the flood even like...

I mean I understand it's desires and what not but wouldn't coming into contact and consuming the 40k universe make it just

die on the inside?

[crimson kayak]

nah

first off there's not a single hive mind, the more it gets bigger the more minds form

[earnest snow]

Idt it has encountered anything as dumb and repetitive as the species of the 40k universe

[crimson kayak]

but yeah, a fully formed grave mind is supposed to be like, an hyper intelligent being

it literally would not care about most of the stuff happening around him

[crimson kayak]

basically think of them as synapse creatures that maintain the entire knowledge and stuff of the og mind

but said synapse creatures are the size of a continent, and probably span a good part of the underground too

[earnest snow]

Absorbing mindlessness and slow recession throughout thousands of years may make it smaller (the brain is shriveling)

[crimson kayak]

nah, it just uses what's actually needed

[storm jungle]

Yeah it uses any tactical info it can

if some infectors just absorbed a simple manufactorum worker they'll just only use some knowledge like

"oh hey theres a path going into the factorum from an easier way"

[queen laurel]

It can utilize every piece of knowledge and it can easily determine which is useful and which is not

[storm jungle]

Yeee

i forgot what it was doing with Keyes in combat-evolved, i think trying to get the ship off the ground and also torturing him with his past memories? Cant super recall

Depends, if its a gargantuan mass of Flood they could easily infect a c'tan too

the logic plague and the fact that flood can also infect reality helps

[crimson kayak]

tbf space gods are always gonna win against "hard" sci fi stuff

[queen laurel]

Mother fucker as if it wasn't already f****** deadly

[crimson kayak]

ye, problem with the warp would be that only daemons would work

and even then it would depend if the spores start adapting to the warp or not

[storm jungle]

I also forgot what Pancreas was saying but it was something about how if the Flood infected so many things in the galaxy they would develop enough psychic prowess to seal shut the Warp entirely

because they always evolve

[crimson kayak]

oh yeah, we also forgot about psykers

[storm jungle]

Yeah halo doesnt have them as prominently compared to 40k

[crimson kayak]

the moment a flood gets one it's over

[storm jungle]

Yep

and by that point the more psykers it consumes the more giga-brain it gets

[crimson kayak]

thing is that then it could literally just reconstruct itself to produce psychic spores

[storm jungle]

Bruh

thats true

💀

[queen laurel]

Yo hive mind check this shit
Fires a lightning bolt by dancing

[crimson kayak]

so it means that even if you are a blank, after infection you would have sick ass psyker powers and knowledge and training in how to use them

[storm jungle]

And yeah the problem with the flood is like... its not like 40k where every race is written to have downsides on how they cant dab on other races yet and got very obvious achilles heels and such.

Halo doesnt really have that because its not a tabletop game

its why the Flood doesnt have too many restrictions aside from Chief just having plot armor

so its why they are so broken OP

[crimson kayak]

chief getting captured by the grave mind twice and said mind not doing anything about it

[storm jungle]

He just does A LITTLE trolling

all for Cortana feet pics

https://tenor.com/view/halo-ce-gif-19910036

[queen laurel]

Yeah
A good example would be is that orks would at least need krork level shit to truly f*** up the hive mind

[storm jungle]

Yeah but they dont because writers have excuse sfor it

"they infight too much"

then you get to problems like how Ghaz gets killed by Ragnar because he needs to look good on a toy box

[queen laurel]

But said writers also said the beast just kind of existed over time so who knows

[storm jungle]

pretty much

[queen laurel]

And there is like multiple of them

Yeah digest that

[crimson kayak]

remember the krork that was as big as a large monument? a single infection form could infect it

[queen laurel]

Yeah, the aggressive adaptability of the flood is horrific, i think they could use their Waagh power to develop a small protective barrier that eliminates flood spores, but since the flood is also probably absorbing other psychics they can find the way to get pass through the psychic power especially if they unlock the shadow of the warp dlc by eating tyranids

[crimson kayak]

yeah thing is it doesn't even need to be alive

[storm jungle]

Yeah like i said above flood can basically do anything because they are written as a galactic ending threat with no speed-limiters attached

compared to 40k where nobody ever gets to fucking do anything

unless its like "Random war on random planet"

or system

or sector

or sub-sector

[crimson kayak]

yep, hell, a grave mind probably wouldn't even aim at absorbing all orks

it could just eat a warboss and replicate it's personality to command the other orks

[queen laurel]

Or you know, just make better orks

[crimson kayak]

tbf a single ork would mean the hive mind gets unlimited pure forms

as they would get unlimited biomass from the joint ork constant release of spores and flood biology

[crimson kayak]

(wich are the bigger, meanier and scarier variant compared to basically any other infected form)

like, it's not like nids where you can stop them with attrition, the flood encountering the orks would probably literally start farming them like they do with squigs

[queen laurel]

Yeah, they would basically make the black orks of warhammer 40k, but unlike the chaos dwarves they will succeed

[pale onyx]

So the lion has his own freaking warp dimension seculeded from the rest of the warp, with chaos and the emperor leaking in sometimes. And he uses that to teleport. That’s a pretty fucking godlike power right there, and then gulliman has his special accounting skills. Doesn’t that seem like gulliman got fucked over in terms of powers

[summer rover]

special accounting skills got his chapter the posterboys of the imperium thanks to never taking many casualties while people don't trust dark angels.

[uneven temple]

Just because someone specializes in the macro doesn't mean they're worse than someone else specializing in the micro

[green loom]

I'd say he's better for jt

Lion can teleport himself and some others

Guilliman can efficiently organize an entire warzone on a whim

[crimson kayak]

Ye, also rememeber has the emperor's sword wich the moment he learns to use it properly chaos is gonna be fucked

Also I bet everything on the fact either the lock or the weapon are inside Lion's dimension

Considering it's a mirror of well, the key

[crystal forum]

does it perma kill demons or something

[crimson kayak]

It does, but guilliman himself said only the emperor can unleash it's true potential so it most surely does more than we know

Because it already instafucks daemons in guilliman hands, so it must be something else

[crystal forum]

so could angron actually go down forever

[crimson kayak]

Theoretically yes

[queen laurel]

If you can kill him in the warp maybe

[crimson kayak]

He means using the emperor sword

[queen laurel]

Well that would work even more

[crimson kayak]

Which basically presses delete on your existence

No matter if warp or materium

[queen laurel]

But khorne probably hard drived him somewhere just in case that happens

[crimson kayak]

I mean if he didn't gw is gonna make sure it happened off screen so yeah

Same with all the other chaos primarchs

[queen laurel]

Yeah, i'm pretty sure their respective chaos gods quick save them like how i quick save every time i play fallout new vegas

[crimson kayak]

It's more the fact games workshop would never kill them off, technically the sword killed horus so you know, I don't think a single god powered one would be a problem

[crystal forum]

what if lion trips and falls

[crimson kayak]

He instantly gets teleported into his dimension out of sheer panic

[crimson kayak]

Tbf I didn't even count these two

The concept of the universe being alive is misrepresented, Neural Physics is just extremely advanced tech

It's just that it's something namedropped and then it's said that how it works it's "incomprehensible" to all species except the Precursors

And by extension, the flood

(also it's a more complex way to say souls exist)

[storm jungle]

Assassinating a gravemind is probably impossible since before you even make planetfall or get near it it'll probably just blow up your brain inside your helmet, or you'll just get swarmed by bioforms before you even make it to wherever it is, its not like its a Norn Queen sitting in the biggest ship in space somewhere.

As for nids, they don't really need them for intelligence, they got plenty to get it from other races, Nids would just serve as more biomass.

Since flood dont consume, they just infect and corrupt for the most part

[crimson kayak]

Also yeah, trying to reach an Hive mind is like trying to blow an Hive ship from the inside, but the entire Hive ship can reform itself into the strongest versions of nids and swarm you with them.

Like, human/covenant beat the flood exclusively because of plot armour

[crimson kayak]

Unless you nuke it from orbit of course, but even that could create problems

[storm jungle]

Yeah its a lot of "what ifs"

It would be about as bullshit as that time an entire space marine cadre took out the world-engine

[crimson kayak]

every time a single marine squad blows up a necron tomb be like

[storm jungle]

Love warhammer

[crystal forum]

comparing anything to flood is useless because it's an antagonist made to be unstoppable

it's like comparing stuff to star trek's borg when it was still a thing

[storm jungle]

^

Like i said above Halo doesnt have the thing 40k does where everyone gets their kneecaps busted by a writer holding a bat every time they are about to kill everyone

[crystal forum]

it's also lazy writing

[arctic talon]

The Flood is just someone wanting a universal level threat

[crystal forum]

star trek wrote themselves into a corner with the borg so they had to invent the queen lol

[arctic talon]

thats unbeatable in any practical sense

so you need to use the funny galatic clenser 9000

or "gods own anti son of a bitch machine" as its put in Halo 1

[crystal forum]

oh right this is halo we're talking about lol

the universe with the invincible and flawless protagonist

[storm jungle]

Im glad 40k isnt like this

oh wait

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

death

[arctic talon]

honestly at the end of the day its meant to get you to buy more crap

so

eh

[storm jungle]

Master Chief has made me not buy more halo games

a true hero

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1085667218584506599/1123443623283937391/s-l1200.webp?width=950&height=671

Also this cool transfer sheet popped up online lmao

its got Raptors on it

and its an official GW product

[storm jungle]

My favorite jurassic park characters

🙏

[crystal forum]

clever girl

[arctic talon]

lol

[crystal forum]

is it fucked that im currently painting plastic army men because i don't have access to any GW stuff

[summer rover]

so the flood perform like dogshit if they move to any other setting.

[storm jungle]

Its very much hypothetical because as we said way above all it would take is probably consuming a few psykers to adapt and create/base abilities most things have in 40k

[crimson kayak]

Main problem imo is that by saying "beyond comprehension of biological organisms" could mean literally anything

[storm jungle]

^

Its very loose

[crimson kayak]

From outright magic to 5th dimensional science to the warp to whatever

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[crimson kayak]

Rememeber Precursors were old ones level

[storm jungle]

but when they can literally infect technology and reason with artificial intelligence and such even those feats would be enough to steamroll a lot of things in 40k

Mfer machine spirits are gonna look like pizzas melted in them by the time they are done

[crimson kayak]

Computers when the mf operating it starts using philosophy to subdue it

[storm jungle]

Close enough

[green loom]

Mechanicus reminded me how cool Skitarii are

[crimson kayak]

Also teeeeechnically we have something similar to neural physics

And it's the Motive Force

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/bashkara-wheel-rueda-movimiento-perpetuo-gif-11094761

[crimson kayak]

It's just that the Motive force in 40k is represented as "Electricity"

[arctic talon]

No

Do what you enjoy

[green loom]

Kill

[crimson kayak]

My build in mechanicus was mostly spamming minions and use my guys as artillery pieces

[crimson kayak]

Also yeah this, it all depends on who they eat first lol

[green loom]

The eradication ray?

[celest dome]

Mine was mostly use high mobility melee dudes who can call troops for free and can order them to shoot

[coarse mirage]

What's the opinion of Guy Haley?

[green loom]

He's a guy alright

[coarse mirage]

I'm finding Throneworld a bit hard to accept

[rain tusk]

He has some nice novels right? With black library it really seem to differ per book

[coarse mirage]

||Black Templars have been chasing some Iron warriors for a very long time, end up being sandwiched by orks and suddenly the Black Templars allow the Iron Warrior leader to coordinate a joint defense. It makes no fucking sense.||

[rain tusk]

Thought I had a few guy Haley ones

[storm jungle]

Oh man

im so sorry

[coarse mirage]

It literally would not happen

[storm jungle]

But Guy Haley is good

[coarse mirage]

Ever

[storm jungle]

its just...

The Beast novels are just bad

like all of them, they got some good highlights but otherwise oof are they wacky as fuck, and not even in a good way