40k-lore-chat

[earnest snow]

Honestly if I'd want anything to contribute to lore I want a multi-species alien conglomerate actually have more than maybe 5 or 6 alien species (staring at you tau and halo covenant)

I want to see some unrecognizable mfers

[storm jungle]

To be fair

• Corporations lazy

• Money

[arctic talon]

we have so much cabal client race lore

[storm jungle]

the Covenant still does a great job imo but after Halo 3 they just kinda yeet

[arctic talon]

too bad they never show up

[storm jungle]

that too

fucking roman rhinos

[earnest snow]

I'm lazy too. But I wanna see a genetically modified super soldier wonder "what the hell?" at what they're seeing.

[arctic talon]

Also they prolly got wiped out

Thank you hive

[earnest snow]

"Ayo this wasn't in the codex astartes"

[storm jungle]

Space Marines are sadly too bland for that

[plush mason]

dont the hive worship worms?

[storm jungle]

yes

worms of pure evil

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-worm-dance-gif-23697519

look at em

[earnest snow]

They do since they introduced the aliens in halo 1, a good bit of story and culture in 2, then the massive changes in 3.

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[earnest snow]

But other than that I'm like "hee hee funny grunt"

[storm jungle]

it mostly gets sidelined into novels and such

also same

the fact that the grunts almost overthrew the covenant is gigachad tier lore

[arctic talon]

Grunts are also like

pretty big lol

[earnest snow]

Any time I see halo rp and I join it ima grunt

[storm jungle]

YEAH

Grunts are like

[arctic talon]

they look so small

in game

[storm jungle]

almos tas big as a regular person

[arctic talon]

but they're like

[storm jungle]

its fucking insane

[arctic talon]

4 foot something

iirc

[storm jungle]

Yeah and uh

in one book they literally tear one guy limb from limb

its very fucking shocking

[plush mason]

people often forget how big the spartans are

[storm jungle]

Yeee master chief is Astartes sized iirc

because Spartan 2's are very big

[plush mason]

yeah

[storm jungle]

then you got Brutes and Hunters which is just

[plush mason]

and he is one of the shorter ones

[storm jungle]

uh

💀

[arctic talon]

I think its really funny how bungie made the brutes in halo

and then decied to one up themselves with the cabal

[plush mason]

spartan 3s where more chief size and the 4s where closer to humans iirc

[arctic talon]

and go even harder into the what if its a natural born war machine

[arctic talon]

god drones are huge

[earnest snow]

So I forgot the exact Sangheili character, but I really love the fact that a grunt's intelligence lead to the loss of a significant fleet commander in the Covenant.

A grunt was studying a nuclear bomb, accidentally said the code to set it off, and blew up the whole ship.

[storm jungle]

literally me

[earnest snow]

To the grunt's credit, he did figure out the nuke

[arctic talon]

genius tbh

god Ta'aurc is huge and he isn't even that high ranking

[storm jungle]

oh god

i forgot the cabal gunners

mfers are insanely huge

thats not even getting to special character ones

which are like as big as a fucking predator tank

[earnest snow]

AH YES! Xytan Jar Wattinree is the Sangheili name. Basically he became so influential and powerful through his strategic brilliance that it rivaled the shrimp noodle necks that sit on chairs in the Covenant. But a smart grunt had to put an end to this man's career

[storm jungle]

alas

life is unfair like that

[arctic talon]

It really do be that way

[plush mason]

the Prophets

[earnest snow]

Ngl idk how the human-covenant war would have went if this guy was still alive.

[earnest snow]

Yesh

[storm jungle]

humans would have went extinct

[arctic talon]

I think humanity gets fucked in the ass

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

they were already close

to getting wiped out

[storm jungle]

like the covenant is hilariously OP

[arctic talon]

they're just stupid

[storm jungle]

their basic fucking peashooters

[arctic talon]

literally

[storm jungle]

give you cancer

[arctic talon]

also they melt your face

if you get too close

[storm jungle]

oh yeah that too

💀

[arctic talon]

plasma pistols literally flash boil your flesh

[storm jungle]

Yeah its like lasgun on crack

[arctic talon]

even if its a near miss

[storm jungle]

its hilariously dark yeah

[arctic talon]

Halo lore plasma pistol vs gameplay

KEK

[storm jungle]

or you know, get shot by fucking crystals that EXPLODE

[arctic talon]

their name is funny

blamite

heh

[storm jungle]

die

[earnest snow]

I'm reading the wiki and if its correct...this NOVA bomb literally obliterated not only this dude's ship, but two thirds of the fleet he commanded, and a fucking moon.

[plush mason]

and then the humans make a fucking gauss cannon to one shot most of their ships lol

[storm jungle]

lmao

Reach Moment

[earnest snow]

Like...idk how else you can surpass that grunt's genius of figuring out the nova bomb code

Then saying it aloud

[arctic talon]

Big bomb

[earnest snow]

It was genius followed by idiocy

[plush mason]

those M.A.G. cannons are no joke

[storm jungle]

i forgot uh

did bruteshots also fire scorching metal rods

[arctic talon]

ngl the funniest part about the solar system in destiny is how phobos is on a direct collusion course with mars because some Psion flayers got bored and decided to start moving Phobos

[storm jungle]

Ork Moment

[plush mason]

its just here have an asteroid shot thru your ship at warp 5

[storm jungle]

40k Better Btw

Local Imperial Simp

[arctic talon]

Psions are

hilariously overpowered

[storm jungle]

Psions are BROKE

[arctic talon]

especially the higher ranked ones

[earnest snow]

Me and the admech homies casually taking a piece of a star and yeeting it at local imperial rebel space defenses

[arctic talon]

Lol

[earnest snow]

#BadabGang

[plush mason]

till some shmuck with a gun made of protostar plasma busts in the room

ngl i cant blame any of the enemy factions in destiny for wanting the light for themselves

[green loom]

I hold a halo opinion that I get many weird looks for

[arctic talon]

What is it

[plush mason]

literally immortality and powers that rip the laws of the universe to shreads and then put them back together lol

[arctic talon]

Tbh they’ve gotten close in the past at times

Only faction that hasn’t is the fallen bcs they literally worship it

[plush mason]

the hive full on succeeded for a time iirc

[green loom]

I like the Halo 4/5 marines

[arctic talon]

They have

They have guardians

[arctic talon]

I think some of the designs are great

[green loom]

I just

REALLY like modern plate carriers

[arctic talon]

Tbh it’s a cool look

[green loom]

Stuff like this

[arctic talon]

The only halo 4 marine design I hate

Is the skull mask one

That shit is so

Goofy lol

[green loom]

I enjoy my solid piece sci Fi armour as much as the next guy

But plate carriers are pretty

[arctic talon]

Oh wait I just realized how cabal survive vex explosives

They wear ERA

Which is stupid as fuck

But I guess if your biology allows for it

Better then getting instantly disintegrated lol

[plush mason]

SWTOR trooper my beloved

[arctic talon]

It’s such a cool design tbh

But it’s def a weird disconnect from the other old republic games

Which have less prequal looking armor

[green loom]

The newer armours they release are kickass

[plush mason]

well the whole lore is the troopers are an elite force drawn from the regular army and given the most advanced armor and weapons the republic has

[green loom]

This isn't even using particularly new stuff

Though there is the issue of like half the damn cosmetics being mandalorian trash

[arctic talon]

thats cool

[arctic talon]

everyone wants to look like one

kek

ngl I sort of miss the destiny 1 cabal design but space romans are also cool ig

then again the higher ranking ones already had that look

so ig it was inevitable lol

[storm jungle]

fucking paintbrush lookin' ass

🫵

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[storm jungle]

pulls it off better than Ultramarines tho ill give em that

[arctic talon]

Red legion honestly go full space roman

compared to the scout legions in D1

like they aren't even trying to hide it

[storm jungle]

yeah RL goes FULL roman

which im biased for because red/white is cool af

[plush mason]

oh man i missed my hunter

[green loom]

Preach

[arctic talon]

pretty

[green loom]

Though I guess this is more red and black

[arctic talon]

same difference

[green loom]

They're my Bois who I'll eventually collect

YOO

Owlcat channel posting stronghold memes

The lore!

[arctic talon]

lol

[plush mason]

i still cant get over the fact that you can kill the ghosts

[arctic talon]

C r u n c h y

They chose their side

And they’ll do the same

So make them regret it

[rose thorn]

if you could make any chapter have a codex suppliment who would it be?

[arctic talon]

Iron hands or raven guard

Iron hands actually got a suppliment in 6e

and Raven guard have a lot of unique stuff to them within marines

but in all honesty I'd rather eldar or literally anyone else get a suplement

[rose thorn]

Lmao who???

[crisp heath]

yo Lord Solar Leontus is the GOAT

[arctic talon]

First company of iron hands

[echo vault]

Do necromancers have to have staffs to use their powers? Like can you strap a magical banner to your back and cast spells freehand with your hands

Asking for an unrelated idea of mine

[queen laurel]

you can do those or be like Skyrim where you just have to cast with your hands

In most fantasy fiction I've read staffs are used to control their power a lot more easier

Or you know some kind of input and output device

Amulets bracelets you name it

[echo vault]

Yeah I'm thinking of a more sci Fi deal where the person has both legitimate magic powers but also has stuff like gauntlets that shoot fire and shit

Like someone who can reanimate robotics so they have their banner draped in robotic arms clutching weapons that come to life and can shoot

[queen laurel]

you're making doctor doom?

[echo vault]

Shit you're right, that's cool as hell. Kinda, just more sci Fi than comic book but ye definitely in a similar vein but I also am so tired I mixed up magnetos abilities with Dr doom

All I can think of is the shitty fantastic 4 movie they did

Where Dr Doom is like a burnt chicken nugget

[queen laurel]

So basically he can infect offline robotic hauls with magic that can both repair the said broken robot and also infect it with a controlling virus

[echo vault]

Oh cool! I was basically thinking like maybe there's cords from the disconnected limbs to a power source on the back that's turned on or something, but sometimes you just want some crazy zombie movie living limb stuff y'know

The one where the zombies are almost immortal black goo melty ppl

[queen laurel]

Yeah you said you wanted him to have magical abilities but have science so I figured why not a necromancer that controls robots and has a techno staff

[echo vault]

Yee! I was thinking the exact thing, they'd be surrounded by mostly robots and robots close to humans (robotic skeleton with human like synthetic flesh, Arnold Schwarzenegger terminator p much, but they look a lot paler/grey and their blood is more like a purplish color) so they could reanimate them, plus reviving what are essentially (not as powerful as Schwarzenegger ofc) t-800s is scary for normal people

[queen laurel]

Something along the lines of this I presume

[echo vault]

Yee, when thinking about them they're like humans but off, they can still wear armor and act more independent than the t-800s but still robots, also what's that from I wanna know more

That's some ghost in a shell looking stuff

[queen laurel]

it's a figure literally called synthetic human so

who knows

[echo vault]

It's baller AF tho, reminds me of ghost in a shell, ruiner

I'm one of the few people that remembers ruiner

[celest dome]

You don't need a staff to cast magic, but it work as a fulcrum for magic cause its usually attuned to the wind and composed of Ingredients

[echo vault]

I want my Japanese magical back banner (whatever they're called)

The square flag ones

[celest dome]

Well you don't need a staff at all, like the Vampires usually don't have any

But they are already filled with the Winds and the lore of Nagash (One of the origin of Necromancy in the Old world

Drachbefels for example never used a staff iirc. But then again, while being a Necromancer he is a special case

[echo vault]

Oh shit drachenfels is real?

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-scared-skeleton-gif-6167975

I'm also the same dummy that didn't realize that Olesya used shadow magic

[celest dome]

Yes, but he can't be used anymore, same for Malal, GW did make Nameless in the ET which basically is Drachenfels

[echo vault]

Drachenfels for aos

[celest dome]

Unless they want to be sued, won't happen

[echo vault]

Let's add some legally distinct umlauts to make it fit

Drächenfelß (drake-en-feels

[celest dome]

They can keep the moniker of Nameless

[echo vault]

I'm making it worse I mean better

[celest dome]

Would it make sense for him to be called Nameless in the Old World ?
@storm jungle

[stark cargo]

Ok, that's surprising. Isn't Drachenfels still part of Vermintide II?

[celest dome]

Castle Drachenfels

Not Constant Drachenfels

[crisp heath]

Leviathan novel: Purchased

[green loom]

"The 1st Company was killed to a man"
Calling it

[crisp heath]

We can only hope

Ok I know we always complain about tyranids not being scary enough but I think they overcorrected because I'm not even past the prologue and I think I'm going to be sick

[green loom]

What happens

[celest dome]

Genussy

[near wasp]

Im burning this chat

[crisp heath]

||basically the entire prologue is people going insane, either shadow in the warp or psyker shenanigans. The issue is there's a bunch of "insects" and "parasites", I'm assuming small tyranid organisms, and it really lavishes the way they crawl around under living skin or one crazy guy eating bugs before they eat him||

[stark cargo]

Aren't they pretty much linked together?

[crisp heath]

It's objectively not that bad, but it really caught me off guard

[stark cargo]

Just curious. I first encountered them in the books by Jack Yeovil (which are a good read), and they seem pretty much linked

[crisp heath]

Like, maybe just listen to someone on youtube talking about this one if you don't like bugs, because man are some gross things happening with these bugs

First chapter in. Ultramarines already underestimated tyranids.

Ultramarines underestimated tyranids

[queen laurel]

We're this far into this setting and they still underestimate the tyranids?

Didn't they know what the hell happened to ultramar once

[crisp heath]

The protagonist called them "mindless predators" and sent two thirds of his force off-world

[green loom]

Lore consistency bro, doesn't exist

In SM2 the Marines don't know shit either

[queen laurel]

My brother in Christ you have seen what they can do when they arrive in a world

[green loom]

This is 1st company too isn't it

[green loom]

Is the MC Agemman or the Phobos LT?

[crisp heath]

Yeah

No, it's a new guy, they aren't going to feed a named character to bugs

[celest dome]

Lorewise yes, legally no

[green loom]

If it's Agemman then it's bad writing, if it's a primaris goon I guess you can chalk it up to inexperience but the UM are the wrong chapter to use for the ignorant moron archetype imo

But ah well it's a plot device to kill marines

[crisp heath]

Oh yeah he's a LT

Castamon

[queen laurel]

Ultramarines underestimating tyranids is like one of the dumbest things you can do because their planet literally got hit by one of the most terrifying tyranid hordes ever

[green loom]

1st company turned into just another battle company

"Experienced veterans and leaders" my ass

[crisp heath]

It's supposed to be the marines from the 10e trailer

Also the guy is... very ultramarine if you catch my drift

[green loom]

So it's badly written

[crisp heath]

Maybe I'm being unfair since I barely started the book, but it's not off to a strong start

[queen laurel]

The character is so bad that vanilla ice cream looks more interesting

Yeah I think I get it

[crisp heath]

The nids are good though, very spooky nids

[green loom]

Who's the writer

[crisp heath]

Darius Hincks

[green loom]

Theoretical: got a nid writer to write marines

Without much context

[queen laurel]

Speaking of lore how is the votan doing

[crisp heath]

Last I heard they got into a fourway with the nids, necrons, and imperium, so standard

[green loom]

It seems he may have written the early storm cast lore

[crisp heath]

Oh wait no I'm thinking of the eldar

[green loom]

Aka the bad part

[queen laurel]

Oh boy

[crisp heath]

Well I'm going to look at the bright side. Based off these marines, he seems to be really good at writing emotionless and inhuman creatures, so maybe he'll be good for bugs

[queen laurel]

That explains why the space marines are bland

[crisp heath]

Ok nevermind something has caught my interest

this is a recently colonized world for the Imperium and like, there's actually some fun stuff there

 ‘Who do?’ replied Vela. 
‘The off-worlders. Their scribes print our songs in these books. The same songs we’re not allowed to sing. They steal music from mouths and pin it to a page.’
 ‘They’ve turned us into an exhibit,’ whispered Urzun, squeezing Damaris’ arm.```

[green loom]

Oh that's bleak

[crimson kayak]

tbf he sent them off world to attack the splinter fleet not petting giraffe's

[rose thorn]

Oh

[echo vault]

That's an insult to force commander vanilla ice right there

[uneven temple]

Force commander Hairgel

Mans maintained a cut for years and hundreds of hours of combat operations

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

"not just imperials"

[uneven temple]

Now that's hardcore

Cybersecurity professionals everywhere just nutted at this level of lockdown

[storm jungle]

They weren't caught slacking 🙏

[earnest snow]

Servitor gang risin' up

[crisp heath]

Yo the Norn Emissaries go hard in that book

[rose thorn]

Imagine being an eldar in a spirit stone and getting eaten by a tyranid

[storm jungle]

waiting for the stomach acid or whatever tf is inside em to melt your stone before it cracks and you get sent to Vore Hell

[astral whale]

You mean force commander self insert?

[remote widget]

youd think farseers would be more tzeentch-curious

[crisp heath]

My guy they literally have a chaos god breathing down their neck 24/7 they aren't going to be like "you know what will help? another one"

I'm pretty sure theres even some sources where when eldar willingly worship chaos they turn into daemons almost immediately because Slaanesh is so close on their heels

[rose thorn]

remember when some astra militarum called the drukhari chaos eldar and the drukhari got extremely offended

[arctic talon]

Attributing their evilness to chaos is an insult smh

They came up with it all on their own

[echo vault]

Vanilla ice yes

[crystal forum]

ice ice baby

[copper slate]

What would be a good name for morally gray Hive City gang?

[green loom]

Fencers

[copper slate]

I’ll add that to the list. I’m partial to something like Nelumbo.

[crimson kayak]

It can also be a fancy name and not much more tbh

Not like Cawdor or Escher mean something in particular

[celest dome]

That's cause those are the House name, not the Gangs

[copper slate]

You can pick out the members of this gang from their habit of highlighting notable scars with tattoo ink.

[celest dome]

I'd probably take a word that mran Scar with a colour.
But not White Scar

Eg: Amber Cicatrix
If the colour scheme is yellowish

[crimson kayak]

Oh shit true

Well, not like stuff like Tunnel Jack's or Ashtown angels really mean anything specific

[queen laurel]

I should make a necromunda ork gang called Scrap Toofz

The backstory is simple someone wanted to experiment with an ork specimen and didn't know that orks release spores, the fungus got into hidden corners and grew into a new gang

I might add some things later but that's an idea

[crimson kayak]

Especially when the "Angels" are the ones shaking you down and charging you to search through literal junk

[celest dome]

Aren't there already some Orks on Necromunda?

[crimson kayak]

Ye

[queen laurel]

Really

Damn

[crimson kayak]

Eldar, genestealers and Orks were avariable as "environmental enemies"

[queen laurel]

That means my idea isn't out of the box

[queen laurel]

What is an eldar going to do in the planet with toxic enough air to make poison pokemon

[crimson kayak]

Dunno, corsairs probably

It was really old editions of necromunda after all

[queen laurel]

I can believe a gene stealer and of course i can believe an ork, but necromunda is the last place a upstanding member of eldar society would go

[crimson kayak]

Exactly

[queen laurel]

It's like being a queen of a country and going to a town where knife crime is popular

[crimson kayak]

Any upstanding member

Corsairs and stuff and dark Eldar are not so upstanding

[queen laurel]

oh The pirate eldar

[crimson kayak]

Ye

[queen laurel]

Now this is an interesting idea

An ork freebota and an eldar Corsair get paid to interrupt a chaos invasion

Let's just say the local planet lord didn't really have anyone else to hire

[crimson kayak]

Mek and Tek xeno edition

[crimson kayak]

A corsair price, a freebooter captain, Huron Blackheart, Nehat Nev and a rogue trader get into a bar

Sadly we still lack Tau, Necron and tyranids pirates

[queen laurel]

Yeah, those 2 can work, but i don't think insect dinosaurs would be very convincing pirates

[crimson kayak]

Someone give a pirate hat to old one eye quick!

[queen laurel]

All right so you called the imperium right, where is the pirate captain?

Over there

A carnifex tears through the wall

[green loom]

We gaming

[crimson kayak]

Why does it look like a psx model

[green loom]

What's a psx model

[crimson kayak]

Playstation 1

[green loom]

Ah

[queen laurel]

Out of curiosity what's the chapter the space marine would be

[green loom]

Probably my amateur texturing lmao

[crimson kayak]

Lol, it's weird cause it feels oddly 3d compared to the rest of the sketch

[green loom]

Yeah I haven't gotten to the rest of it lmao

[queen laurel]

Your own home made space marines?

[green loom]

Yes

[queen laurel]

Nice

Looks pretty damn cool

[green loom]

Made the crest myself

[queen laurel]

Too bad i can't draw for shit

I just wish that i had the ability to put the image that i made in my head into a paper

[green loom]

It just takes a lot of random sketching

It took me 3 years to get to this point lmao

[crimson kayak]

I mean I just mash together pieces of reference images after changing up their details so you don't have to have a image in your head

Like, the guy in my pfp literally came about while randomly trying to do basic primaris

[queen laurel]

Yeah but my mind makes some untraceable shit

[crimson kayak]

tries drawing, proceeds to summon an eldritch entity of the 7th dimensiom

[storm jungle]

Late but it kinda depends, Eldar usually end up only being corrupted by chaos when its forceful/proximity based corruption when they get prolonged exposure to other chaos gods including Slaanesh, when they die its usually dependant on how much corruption they got from that particular god who harvests their soul for the most part

Theres been a few incidents of Nurgle/Khorne infested Eldar in books too.

[summer rover]

eldar ususally are in necromunda as mercinaries, or recovering eldar stuff because necromundan nobles love fancy exotic crap

[storm jungle]

Eldar arent that much in Necromunda with the new lore, theres mention of eldar like once in across all recent clan books too.

Aliens in general are rarely in necromunda.

Corsair Eldar also never tend to hang around on-foot on Imperial planets.

[queen laurel]

so theoretically speaking i can make an ork gang in Necromunda?

[storm jungle]

Uhhh no

like the moment they are found out they would be exterminated

[queen laurel]

Oh shame

[storm jungle]

The moment Hellmawr realised there was GSC in one hive he fucking nuked it.

Orks would be even worse, like im not saying its impossible but Necromunda is a very human-biased setting, as long as you got an good excuse for why the orks are there i think you could make it work tho

[summer rover]

even for an imperial hive city, necrumunda is fuckin' trigger happy all the way up to the orbital defenses.

[storm jungle]

As long as you can deal with them not spreading spores everywhere you're probably fine.

AND Orks were included in the 1st edition of the Outsider rule book

[queen laurel]

How about this reason,

Someday a guy wanted to experiment on a green skin brought one at the deepest parts of the hive in order to not be found out he messed up and they multiplied at The lowest point of the hive

[storm jungle]

Honestly yeah it works

like i said any excuse is good

[summer rover]

messy, but works.

[storm jungle]

as long as you keep them small and contained

[storm jungle]

like most 40k lore tbh

[summer rover]

i wouldn't expect it to last outside of your campaign, but for gamin' purposes it'll do.

[storm jungle]

A lot of buddies I know also have ran ork gangs using goliath rules

[summer rover]

just don't mistake it for something you can argue will work in canon, that way lies brawling with strangers

[storm jungle]

Nah it can work as long as its kept small

40k lore is stupid

so its not a big deal

realistically speaking for example the GSC in necromunda would easily take over the planet but dont because plot.

[summer rover]

no i mean 40k lore people love to argue and hate each other.

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah i have the basic premise already

Scrap Toofz

An ork tribe that lives at the deepest point of necromunda, they are sometimes hired as very desperate mercenaries

Like they're only hired when you have no other choice

[storm jungle]

Yeee if they are Kunnin' as hell you can easily also make the excuse that they are kommando as hell and are usually mistaken for Goliaths too

since they are the planet's "trope muscle people"

[summer rover]

golaiths musta gotten ugly since i last saw a mini....

[storm jungle]

you got no idea

[queen laurel]

Yeah, but i'm not sure that will last long when they see a green goliath that's ten feet tall and is armed with scrap weaponry

[storm jungle]

If genestealer cults can exist and half the population doesnt believe they exist then so can orks.

Also remember the underhive is gargantuan

nobody is gonna go down to search for a small pack of orks

especially if its just a "rumor"

[summer rover]

an inquisitor might, but that's already a hive-wide concern.

[queen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[storm jungle]

Basically as long as you think from an in-universe perspective you can get away with a lot of things.

most people on Munda are either slave workers or people that never will leave this planet.

[arctic talon]

Aren’t there orks in another hive lol

[storm jungle]

We dont talk about that

[arctic talon]

[queen laurel]

If i am a Necromunda enforcer i will definitely not go down all the way at the under hive, because well what's the point do i gain if it's probably just rumors and well if they did exist they will probably have a lot of weaponry already considering the amount of junk necromunda has

[storm jungle]

Literally yeah, thinking like that helps

and speaking of + what Wolf said

The Skull
This derelict hive city is the largest of a cluster of three remote ruined hives. It is pierced by great holes and from a distance looks like a great skull lying in the Ash Wastes. It is a famous landmark and perhaps even worshipped by the local nomads.

These three gigantic ruins are all that remains of the hives that were captured and occupied for a time by Ork raiders. All contact with the cluster was lost for several Terran years before the rest of Necromunda realised what had happened and a campaign was mounted to clear them. This was the original reason for the despatching of a Space Marine contingent to Necromunda, which has since become a permanent establishment on the Hive World.

The hives were besieged and destroyed during the campaign. Now the tops have caved in and they lie abandoned and choked with dust. No one knows what fearful things have made their home amid the ruins of the Skull, and even the nomads and scawies fear to go near them.

As you can see they only went and called upon an extermination campaign because the orks made themselves super noticable.

[queen laurel]

I'm planning to make my Ork gang have a blood axe style

Sneaky around the city you know

[storm jungle]

Yeee that would deffo work

also like

you got the Delaque who literally have alien units

but pass them off as "oh no they are just brain-drones bro trust me"

Necromunda also has an eldritch god underneath its surface worshipped by the Delaque too

so some ork hidden raiders is the least of everyones concerns

[queen laurel]

Yeah, if I am an enforcer, and one of the planetary governors tells me that i will quit the job right in front of him and shoot myself in the head

[storm jungle]

Yep pretty much

same as how if you go outside and tell a cop some outlandish thing you witnessed they'll just not believe you

In 40k he'll probably just hit you on the head with a baton and walk off

so ye dont worry you got a good base

[queen laurel]

I'm surprised it doesn't evolve into politics brutality

Considering its well you know 40k

[storm jungle]

Yeah well you know how it is

but i hope this helped

[queen laurel]

Yeah, as long as my Ork gang becomes pretty morky

They can exist just fine

[storm jungle]

Yeah anything else as we said above you can just chalk up to nobody believing eye-witness reports if anyone asks you that

[tiny nova]

You could also probably make a middleman character from another gang that deals with their contracts so it's like everyone dies who sees them for the most part except this dude who knows and is trying to turn a profit

[storm jungle]

Also this

40k lore has established that theres piece of shit imperials who will regularly make business with orks

[arctic talon]

Fun fact it usually ends the way you’d expect

[queen laurel]

Maybe some rich high planetary governor, that can have connections with my orks

[storm jungle]

Governor is too high

Helmawr would never do that

[summer rover]

they own a guy that owns a guy that owns a guy that handles the greenskins.

[storm jungle]

someone a bit more low can deffo work tho

[tiny nova]

That's not impossible but someone like that would never go that low in the hive

[storm jungle]

Yeah this

a bit more of a lower-man would work

like with off-planet connections and such

the Cold-Trade exists highly in Munda

[queen laurel]

Just have the servants do the dirty work

Warhammer 40k you don't get your hands dirty that's your slaves job

[tiny nova]

Yeah but slaves talk and loose lips sink ships

[queen laurel]

Ah fair point

Hmm

How do i make a character though that deals with orks

I can't make names and f****** backgrounds for humans

[summer rover]

man, just read the news. you have a scumbag employer of internediaries that you don't ask questions about and they hire the kinds of people you'd get in trouble for knowing about. 's what's going in on russia.

[arctic talon]

Just servitorize them

If you really don’t want it to get out

Or kill them

Life is cheap

[tiny nova]

I think like an impoverished/disgraced noble could work fine. But any gang could have a person looking for upward mobility in the gang would also use Orks. Also a dude that high up would likely have better tools than feral Orks

[queen laurel]

I'm not making them snake bite ish, just like a very very sneaky blood axe like orks

But i see your point

I'm just going to say that they take contracts for anyone and many people are interested

[tiny nova]

You need someone who is desperate but able to have enough clout to pay them and make connections. Regardless of them being snake bites or not they'd likely be considered feral until they spread their spores and turn into a fully fledged warband

[queen laurel]

And this is necromunda

There are many people like that in that place

[tiny nova]

Yeah I'm not saying there isn't, I'm just guiding you to help make it more sound. At the end of the day I think most people will either not care that you are using Orks, or there is no amount of explanation and lore that will make them agree with you

[rose thorn]

hey so whats the meaning of the weird cross on a bunch of space marines, like the blade guard shields and the trinkets

[queen laurel]

Yeah, and Necromunda has enough problems to be honest, an ork gang is the least of their concerns

[queen laurel]

I appreciate it thank you

[arctic talon]

It looks cool

[storm jungle]

Yeah its basically an iron cross, it just looks cool

its a bit more distinct as to not look too german/fascist

it mostly has to do with the gothic/catholic aspect too

[astral whale]

Again with the fascist shit. 40k’s aesthetic isn’t fascist. The irl fascists had nothing original to them. They stole and appropriated literally everything they could get their hands on.

[storm jungle]

40k is fascist, its literally the point of the Imperium

GW literally had to make a statement saying the Imperium of Man is satire and a parody

[arctic talon]

The Imperium technically isn't facist due to how feudal it is 🤓

[gloomy citrus]

[arctic talon]

but it def is designed to resemble a facist goevernment lol

with the whole race + nation above all

[gloomy citrus]

That applies for most factions.

[arctic talon]

and the natural social hiarchy bit

[arctic talon]

never said it didn't lol

The Tau are also facist technically

due to their stratified caste based society along with the fact its a dictatorship

Also the fact that non Tau automatically hold a lower position in society as they aren't in a caste

[storm jungle]

It really doesnt

GW specifically made that statement to the Imperium stans

They at least added "Nobody in 40k is good, none"

but

made the point to add "ESPECIALLY the Imperium of man"

they are entirely aware of how shitty a good chunk of their fanbase is even if they are all equally cashcows

[gloomy citrus]

They should have said especially Chaos.

[storm jungle]

Nah

Most chaos players are based and know they are evil

Imperium fans are usually the ones huffing copium

Ork players are also based "I killed this guy for the memes."

[queen laurel]

orks too, nine out of 10 times you ask them why they played them it's always related to "it's because of their goofy side"

[arctic talon]

Some people like orks when played straight

others like the goofy bit

But there's a weird ammount of imperium copium

about how it isn't that bad

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Its supposed to be god awful lol

[arctic talon]

Thats why I like the imperium

its fucking terrible

[storm jungle]

Yeah i like the Imperium because they look cool while being awful people

but i lose my love for them the moment some mfer goes

"THEY ARE A FEUDAL OLIGARCHY"

concentration camps

propaganda

genetic purity

[arctic talon]

Tbf

they are Feudal

and also an oligarchy

but that doesn't change

[gloomy citrus]

Servitors are better.

[arctic talon]

the government itself lol

[storm jungle]

yeet

[queen laurel]

They have developed the rock and stone syndrome

where if some one WAAAGHS you have to follow it up

[arctic talon]

at its soft inside

[storm jungle]

also yeah the Imperium basically has every factor of terrible governments in it

including democracy heyoooo

[arctic talon]

planets get exterminatus'd for talking about democracy

[queen laurel]

They even have the religion side coverage just look at the ecclesiarchy

[arctic talon]

Like the blood ravens homeworld

[storm jungle]

Also yeah like

[gloomy citrus]

And Olympia.

[storm jungle]

the entire reason 40k has a catholic aesthetic is because it was made by british punks

and nobody liked the church at the time

because you know

corruption

not actually helping the public

etc

[gloomy citrus]

The only British people are on Praetoria.

[storm jungle]

Nah

a lot of Imperials are british

mostly because GW

also thanks for reminding me how cringe Praetorians are

[gloomy citrus]

There are no British Astartes, though.

[storm jungle]

There is

have you listened to any audiobooks

[gloomy citrus]

[storm jungle]

Not even joking theres barely any like uh

foreign VAs in most 40k material

tho thats mostly because local actors are easier to get i guess

[arctic talon]

have I posted the white scar meme

[storm jungle]

Nope

[storm jungle]

GOD

[queen laurel]

orks literally getting made fun of as british

[storm jungle]

oh bruh i forgot about the orks

[arctic talon]

Orks are omega british

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

they're the final form

[storm jungle]

they are on another plane

[arctic talon]

of your average football club enjoyer

[gloomy citrus]

Especially with the teef.

[arctic talon]

and 10x more violent

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's the running joke

i find it quite funny

[stark cargo]

I don't think most people even notice. But once you start giving Imperial Fists a German accent, people would notice if some audio would be lacking it

[gloomy citrus]

That's the definition of Black Templars.

[queen laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=german+black+templars

Reminded me of this video

[stark cargo]

Space Prussians, Space Teutons. No idea where Dorn digged up the memes 🤷‍♂️

[green loom]

Anyone want to look at my red

[plush mason]

so in other words exactly how it is now?

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

[rose thorn]

Oh makes sense, so it would make sense for smaller chapters to have it?

[storm jungle]

Yep it would

its not the most glaring symbol

[rose thorn]

Ballin

I was worried about having my mantis warriors have that symbols

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cursed-emoji-fist-emoji-crying-emoji-emoji-fist-gif-20999569

[rose thorn]

I feel like I look like thsi when ever im trying to make a character themed around somewhere in Asia

[arctic talon]

Lmao

Gona be honest it’s fine tbh

Mostly since it’s not out of bad faith

[rose thorn]

True I’m just self conscious

[queen laurel]

don't worry buddy as an asian, as long as you have common sense and like wolf said good faith go ahead

[rose thorn]

I feel like some people’s mantis warrior characters are kinda yikes

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/succ-chapters-legions/images/0/0f/Mantis_Warriors_Bushi.png/revision/latest?cb=20220114184257

Like

[queen laurel]

That's not even subtle that's literally a samurai with a power katana

[rose thorn]

yeah lmao

There’s a lot of this

Like

Mantis warriors have middle eastern themes too, they draw from a small pretty shitty solar system

It depends what planet they are from

[green loom]

Why katanas

Katanas are stupid

[rose thorn]

I DONT KNOW LMAO

[queen laurel]

Is that supposed to be a mongol?

[green loom]

It's some sort of scuffed samurai

[queen laurel]

Yeah in history they were literally used basically just as authority displays, they were literally last resort weapons

Like you have to be very very ******* desperate to use one

I wouldn't say they're stupid but definitely overrated and over hyped

[green loom]

Thought they were used as status symbols/self defense weapons to denote samurai out of armor

[queen laurel]

I'm not too keen on my Japanese history so you better fact check just in case

[rose thorn]

I don’t even think they Cannonically have any Japanese shit

White scars do

But 90% of that is HH

[crystal forum]

i though white scars were mongols

[queen laurel]

Yes mostly that but they seem to have other Asian aspects

[green loom]

It's just mainly Turkic/mongol

[rose thorn]

They have that samurai armor stuff too

[crystal forum]

of course GW will lump in different asian cultures lol

[rose thorn]

But that’s dependent on how cannon you consider the HH card game art

Okay they draw from the tranquility system mostly

3 planets, 1 has literally zero lore

Tranquility 2 is a feudal jungle planet

Who believe the mantis warriors are the mantis angels of the god emperor

[queen laurel]

tranquility

they really picked the most common asian teaching for a system name?

[rose thorn]

And tranquility 3 is a desert planet with a shit laid of Valley’s

[rose thorn]

Yes

It’s a cool name to be fair but damn

Oh damn they lost that system

They use to draw from these system but after the badab war

They lost it all

Anyway I’ve been thinking up a Tyranid character and mantis warrior character that I’m excited to make models of

[queen laurel]

A Tyranid character?

Sounds intriguing

[rose thorn]

I really like the new death leaper

And im planning to do oruosboris fleet

[queen laurel]

That's facts tho, he do carry some very cold drip

[rose thorn]

Flesh cape <3333

So I’m planning of making my own named deathleaper named the traveler

Since oruosboris use warp teleportation shenanigans

Time travel mainly

[queen laurel]

Simple name but considering what tyranids can do very well thought out

[queen laurel]

They what

[rose thorn]

Oruosboris fleet uses time travel, they are believed to use the warp to time travel back and forth from the past and future to multiply their forces

That’s why ordo chronos is on their ass

[queen laurel]

AS IF A BASIC HIVE FLEET WASN'T ALREADY A FUCKING PROBLEM

[rose thorn]

LMAO

Well the eye of terror

They also might be, completely unstable in existence

As they have a haze effect around them at all times

And their way of warfare is spamming flying units until they block out the sun

And use stealth tactics in the artificial darkness

[queen laurel]

So you're telling me they basically became Tyranid demons?

[rose thorn]

Maybe!

[queen laurel]

Great

Fucking great

[rose thorn]

They are biologically less advance then normal nids

Which would be bad, until you realize all the new anti nid tactics didn’t work on them

[queen laurel]

Bro, next thing you know they evolve to be able to break down metal just to kill necrons

[rose thorn]

Ignore the fact leviathan did that in the new tyranic war

They ate a whole ship lmao

[crimson kayak]

And they also pull it so fucking better

Qin Xa my beloved

Best example of a marine wearing lamellar style armour pieces without looking fucking ridicolous or a samurai copy

(also weirdly seems to be a much better pauldron practicality wise than the normal one)

[storm jungle]

Astartes stealing aesthetics from IRL cultures works better when its done moderately yeah

when its done too much it just looks very goofy

[crimson kayak]

Also they have been stuck in a warzone with the Eldar since last edition within a system with not one, but two xenos species with time distortion/control abilities

[crimson kayak]

Imo it has to maintain the typical form of an astartes for it to look good

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly

if its too much it looks bad

[crimson kayak]

Like for example we have Um and If with roman motiff and items, but never like this mf straight out of Ryse

[green loom]

P.s. Ryse still looks very good for some reason

[storm jungle]

Ryse is great

[storm jungle]

god thats shit

lmao

legit ruined Guilliman

[green loom]

His 40k model is way better

[crimson kayak]

Yep, but also his HH model only has the lorica chestpiece and not the rest of this... stuff luckily

[celest dome]

Wait that's HH's G-Man's model ?

[crimson kayak]

No

Well

Yes

[green loom]

Yes it is

[crimson kayak]

But kitbash

Unless that shitty ass helmet is in the kit

Then God damn

[green loom]

I don't think the early FW ones come with helmets

[viral halo]

some of them do

[arctic talon]

It’s a kitbash with his HH mini

[echo vault]

Only ones I can remember having helmets is the lion and alpharius

For the lion it's an alt head and alpharius is alpharius

[crystal forum]

what happens if you take all space marines and put them in a ball shape in space

like a space marine planet

what even is that game

[stark cargo]

Space Wolves used to do it quite well, imho. Heads, Markings, and Accesories like pelts and fangs, were quite distinct. And they liked their axes. But the armor was quite standard. I think that also helps with tying everything together, so several chapters fighting alongside each other don't look like timetravellers.

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKjsOu2Kzbw&t=174s&ab_channel=MandaloreGaming

[crystal forum]

mandavore gaming

[stark cargo]

And then they got Stormrider. Why?

[crystal forum]

that's some wacky tundra terrain

[rose thorn]

That’s the model where I counted how many wolves on it

There were about 51 wolves

But I didn’t get under it

[rose thorn]

That helmet is ass lol he looks like an ogryn in a hydraulic press

[stark cargo]

A boat chariot, even with mini shields like on a dragon ship, sounds more Viking to me. 🤷‍♂️

And so... anachronistical, poser, impractical, badly designed?

[crystal forum]

how do you even control the direction of those wolves anyways

[green loom]

Familial bond

There are no wolves on Fenris

[crisp heath]

Are there any loyalist armies, non-grey knights, who are the best psykers?

or at least have a psyker focus who arent GKs

[green loom]

BA have psyker stuffs

Blood Ravens also

I think Mephiston is one of the most powerful psykers currently alive

[uneven temple]

blood angels don't really have any more psyker stuff than anyone else

[green loom]

This looks familiar

[celest dome]

2h eagle are not rare

Roman stuff and all that

[green loom]

Meant this

Imperium Albanian confirmed?

[echo vault]

Why tf did they give the lammassu a chaos dwarf cutie mark

[rose thorn]

I mean I get it. It’s like helping a guy with a prank so you don’t get pranked

I wish there were badab war audio books :( I’ve grown to love the lore

It’s such a fucking mess that mistakes were made on all sides that the two most evil factions came out profiting

[crimson kayak]

Blood ravens

[rose thorn]

Also I’m tempted to get executioners and run them as BT

[crimson kayak]

Now we gotta find about the sign of the cog to see from what country they stole it

[echo vault]

Reminding everyone the lothern skycutter exists

[crimson kayak]

Ye, reminder that the skycutter also makes sense unlike the wolf sled

(also comes with tactical rocks for flying units wich is like, 10 points right out of the bat)

[echo vault]

What if the lothern skycutter and wolf sled combined

[crimson kayak]

Literally the worse of both worlda

[echo vault]

It's like Santa and his reindeer but with wolves

[vale shuttle]

the warlord of my friend's thousand sons warband got turned into a giant tzaangor by tzeentch so he had to shunt his spirit out of his body to avoid spawnification

[crystal forum]

i like how before getting any image or explanation of how to do this sign i could immediately imagine it in my head when a book mentions it lol

it's a pretty cool salute

no dumb specific rules like western salutes

except you need to make the aquila over your heart i think

[storm jungle]

Yeah its definitely pretty creative

and ye has to be over the chest

its a lot better than getting an aquila tattoo thats for sure

[crystal forum]

hey it's like starship trooper fans. they're a little confused but they got the spirit

[storm jungle]

[crimson kayak]

ye it's just having the hand on the chest, there's even a one handed version if i remember right

[stark cargo]

Who does that?

Why get the Aquila when you can have a chaos symbol...

[green loom]

Not only is it creative, it is Albanian 🇦🇱

[queen laurel]

Because, if i have that, this is the last thing i will see, and i do not want to see this

[storm jungle]

Basically mostly stupid people who think it will look cool

like i wouldnt mind it (if it was a friend maybe but its still sus af) but due to the sharp shapes of the eagle people who dont know warhammer would definitely think you are a nazi

or like a skinhead, a lot of fans in general warn people over using the aquila as a tattoo because of it

That and like the Imperium has a lot more symbols you can use as tattoos

[green loom]

Dilara you seen the progress?

[storm jungle]

I have, looks great 👀

[queen laurel]

I finished making the Ork Necromunda gang, pretty good I think

Anyway

Tyranids learning drip is a pretty bizarre concept

Next thing you know they will spawn a warrior that looks like an imperial commissar

[stark cargo]

Yeah, it doesn't appear to be that well thought through. 😁 But then, I'm nobody to talk.

I know quite a few folk with warhammer tattoos, but iirc no imperial eagles

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah like i said anything else is fine

its just that the aquila is very fascist as a symbol lol

Pretty much everything else here is cool

[queen laurel]

And if you don't like these there also the other races

[storm jungle]

Yep thats just the human ones

the other factions got super tattoo worthy symbols

[queen laurel]

Orks are probably the most basic one you can get

[storm jungle]

Yeah it all depends honestly

[queen laurel]

I take it back some ork tattoos can go pretty hard

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah if you go for non-decal tattoos

LOTS of choices

[queen laurel]

You think it's only the emblems oh boy, the faction specific representation symbols can only expand that even f****** further

[storm jungle]

yeee

its awesome

[stark cargo]

I tend to socialise with warhammer chaos nerds, so that's common. Though one actually has a Tau fight scene on the back

[storm jungle]

yeah im not a fan of tattoos like that

mostly because as you age its gonna look awful lmao

[stark cargo]

I'm not sure people care that much. (I don't know, I'm not much of a tattoo person.) Perhaps it's more like a body positivity thing where you make your body more "you"

[storm jungle]

Yeeee pretty much

[crimson kayak]

Most people getting a tattoo don't think at the fact their body can change with the years simply put

[storm jungle]

also this

its why if i ever get a tattoo im sticking to simple black/decal

and basically keeping it to a small symbol

[crimson kayak]

Yeah it's mostly size

Mostly black big tattoo's can become literal black ink blobs if you "change" your body enough proportion due to gaining/losing weight and fat

[storm jungle]

Yeah when its like literal artwork tier stuff that thing is going to look AWFUL as time passes

some people legit dont think before getting stuff like this

[green loom]

Won't something that detailed just lose detail very quickly

[queen laurel]

It looks sick, but skin related stuff would be very noticeable i think

[crimson kayak]

It will need some regular visits to your tattoo shop for a while due to decoloring

[crimson kayak]

Yeah this is one of those big black blob risk situations, never let that guy train his back muscles

[storm jungle]

Yeee its deffo a spur of the moment tattoo decision

[crimson kayak]

Or that poor chaos guy is gonna start stretching like he's about to become a chaos spawn

[uneven temple]

He'll turn into this

[rose thorn]

How to look like a nazi;

step one; this

I talk shit but I use to want a tattoo of each symbol of chaos

[queen laurel]

Bro is planning to turn into a daemon prince

[rose thorn]

Min maxing war crimes

[queen laurel]

Gotta get that most optimal build in order to become the more powerful better version of Be'lakor

[rose thorn]

Also need to avoid getting assassinated by belakor

[queen laurel]

Don't worry it's Be'lakor

Now that i think about it

Wouldn't it be neat if be'lakor just joins malice

[rose thorn]

Belakor Is so spiteful he completely fucks over his ally’s in AOS and 40k

[rose thorn]

Shame they aren’t real

Malice isn’t real don’t let the boomers trick you

I mean

Uhhh boomerhammers

[queen laurel]

Yeah but like the idea of Be'lakor joining to malice because his four sugar daddies don't give him money anymore is funny

[rose thorn]

Honestly Belakor just needs a legion or demon army of his own

He use to

And then Gw was like

‘No <3’

And pulverized them from the lore

[queen laurel]

Retcon gun activate

[rose thorn]

So my 2000 points of demons aren’t useable in 40k or AOS

I need to buy a new Belakor anyway

[celest dome]

Doesn't he have those in AoS ?

[rose thorn]

He lost it in the new StD book

OH

[celest dome]

Mortals that are under his allegiance

[rose thorn]

Yeah the

Uhhh,, warcry team and 1 character

To be fair he is a cool character

[celest dome]

And rules to use SoD right ?

He never had a full faction with his own miniature line

[rose thorn]

Ye did have a full faction

But it was all demons

[celest dome]

Only had the Dark Emissary no ?

[rose thorn]

Legion of the first Prince

It was really fun and not terrible

[celest dome]

But that used Deamon of the 4 Chaos God no ?

Not his own new mini line

[rose thorn]

Yeah but it was fun

Gone but not forgotten

I missed summoning a pink horror horde on an objective

[queen laurel]

That doesn't seem like fun, to the person who is occupying the said objective

[bronze trellis]

You know what would be funny?

If the next loyalist primarch to show up is clone Fulgrim escaped from Trazyn’s prison

[crimson kayak]

Sons of the phoenix standing there confused looking at him like: "Dad?"

[bronze trellis]

Guilliman: Looks at Cawl
Cawl: Beep boop, this unit toooooootally only used Dorne gene seed, beep boop....

[rose thorn]

True, but to be fair pink horrors have terrible melee and ranged

[arctic talon]

Belakor is broken as fuck in 10e lol

he's pretty much mandatory in every daemon list

[astral whale]

You say that when fascists have and continue to bastardize already existing symbols.

[storm jungle]

It doesn't really matter

the aquila looks very bad

Try having it on your arm and going into a bar anywhere

[astral whale]

Idk. I’m just sick of people using the word “Fascist” as a word to describe anything vaguely authoritarian.

Imagine using communism to describe worker’s unions.

You wouldn’t do that, would you?

[summer rover]

authoritarianism inherently drifts toward open fascism by nature.

[storm jungle]

Thats because the Imperium is fascist and authoritarian

Its not vague

at all

[summer rover]

i worker's union will not constantly press for communism, but any authoritarian government will press to install more fascist policies.

also the imperium is straight up fascist, let's not forget that.

[storm jungle]

Yeah like theres an entire storage closet size of evidence for it

[languid salmon]

its also feudal. remember the imperium takes the bad from more than one government system.

[stark cargo]

But feudal imho isn't the core identity of it.

[storm jungle]

Fascism is still at its forefront.

yeah exactly

[summer rover]

really it's just a grab-bag of shitty balkinized planet governments under the umbrella of Big E Fashy-dress party.

[storm jungle]

In this case though its pretty accurate

the aquila is not suppose to be a basic symbol

its message is very clear when you look at it even from a non-40k POV

[stark cargo]

Perhaps. But if you go by the checklist by Umberto Eco, it fits pretty much perfectly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#Umberto_Eco

[arctic talon]

the Imperium absolutely fits the definition of facism

which is fine like

They are meant to be horrible

the imperium is objectively evil

[summer rover]

they are intended to be fascists. that is a plot point.

[storm jungle]

Yeah like it was made by british punks in 80's artwork like this is not exactly subtle either

[astral whale]

I hate it as a buzzword because nobody can define what fascism actually is anymore.
How are we supposed to prevent the greatest atrocities from being repeated when people do not understand the failings of that system on anything more than a topical level?

I mean for Christ's sake, Eugenics is making a comeback.

[arctic talon]

Facism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

The imperium exalts nation and race above the individual

has a centralized autocratic government

and has severe economic and social regimintation and forcible supression of the opposition

[summer rover]

and whoo boy do they love to use force to opress the opposition!

[storm jungle]

Also shit like genetic purity and how "the human form is divine, everything else is bad and should be killed"

[arctic talon]

The Tau are also facist but

they're less evil

by a lot

[storm jungle]

Yeah tau are more ""subtle"" regarding this

Meanwhile your average Imperial citizen is literally a slave

[arctic talon]

they literally have a stratified caste system

which is a step above slavery

But its def worse then a good chunk of irl countries lol

[summer rover]

they're more british empire flavor fascism than classic. the tau have a certian concern with "looking good" that the imperium does not give a shit about and was very obvious in the old minis before they had marketing trying to make the furture nazis look heroic.

[arctic talon]

Thats true

[arctic talon]

tbf they make everyone look heroic nowadays

even fucking abbadon

has a heroic pose lol

Despite the fact you know he's abbadon

GW just likes doing the heroic pose for every faction nowadays tbh

[summer rover]

marketing people are subhuman

[arctic talon]

bcs people eat that shit up for modeling

its why everyone has a goddamn tactical rock nowadays

and why most 3d prints now also have tactical rocks

you cannot escape the rock

[languid salmon]

Eh I see more similarities with people under communism with stuff being produced because the government says so and how food provisions are given out

[arctic talon]

irl communist nations are facist states

[summer rover]

speaking as someone that used to paint on commission i goddamn hate "heroic" posing. 94% of the time there's like two areas where you cannot paint it without leaving the parts off but they're models so you can't properly shade them as two seperate parts.

"communist" nations.

[arctic talon]

actual communism has never existed bcs it doesn't fucking work

objectively speaking

Humans are too selfish lol

[summer rover]

most of them have 0 actual communist policies. because communism doesn't scale up.

[arctic talon]

also that

[languid salmon]

Yep

[arctic talon]

pretty much why every commune experiment ever made

[summer rover]

you can have like a town-sized communist government, but push it any larger and it shits the bed.

[arctic talon]

has fallen apart eventually

it just gets too big

and implodes

anyways @languid salmon Is this list good

[summer rover]

most communist experiments fail because their leadership are not politically skilled

[storm jungle]

Its still fascist at the end of the day maily, no matter how many other forms of government you can try to apply to it.

Mostly because the Imperium openly does almost everything the nazis and romans do lol

[arctic talon]

The facist playbook™️

thank you mussolini

[stark cargo]

In communism, you normally have a ruling party that pretends to represent the workers interests and pays lip service to everybody being equal. There's no such thing in the Imperium of man, imho.

Instead you have a leader, xenophobia and militarism.

Plus all the totalitarion stuff you have in both systems in practice.

[storm jungle]

^

[astral whale]

Communism doesn't work because it relies too much upon the ideal that everyone agrees with the system and that system knows best.

[storm jungle]

Also because people are shitheads.

[arctic talon]

it can be both

[storm jungle]

I mean yeah because they are more or less mostly fascist

thats my point

[arctic talon]

Most dictatorships

are facist

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

North korea is facist

[storm jungle]

Loner ingame also literally calls the Imperium fascist too

so there you go lmao

[astral whale]

I prefer Theocracy to fascist, but that's solely because of my own interperetation. If you don't agree with me you can go suck an egg for all I care.

[arctic talon]

Khan™️

also Corax

[storm jungle]

Yep

[arctic talon]

Corax is the biggest hypocrite of them all lol

[storm jungle]

the only reason the Imperium hasnt collapsed yet is because of toy sales, realistically speaking they would entirely fracture the moment the Heresy was over and the Primarchs left

[arctic talon]

okay but its cool

[storm jungle]

that is also true

[arctic talon]

so more sales

[astral whale]

Tbf if Big E had his way the galaxy would fail under the governance of the Senatorum Imperialis.

[storm jungle]

I mean

thats not good either

[arctic talon]

Tbf big E is fucking dead

sorry a vegtable

[coarse pumice]

the heresy was written after the imperium was made

[astral whale]

Imagine 1 billion politicians put in 1 room and have them try to make policy.