40k-lore-chat

[plush mason]

the war of survival

so the irony is, even if it wins it will lose

[celest dome]

Survival is never won, loosing can only be postponed

Game play reason

[plush mason]

true that

[queen laurel]

That's why I said if we're taking anything face value

there are very few guardsmen that can earn an approval from a primarch or space marine sergeant

and i mean by few i mean FEW

[plush mason]

ironically they have a better shot than most imperial leaders lol

but thats what happens when most of the leadership is elevated due to nepotism and heritage and not merit

[near wasp]

I think gman would appreciate how i turn an entire horde into soup with my bolter

[keen stratus]

So i need to ask, what does exactly feeds nurgle? cause disease isnt a felling

[queen laurel]

He is the concept of death so if you die you kinda empower him

And the more disease ridden the galaxy is the more powerful he is

If you're talking about something that gives him power the emotion would probably be hopelessness or despair

[storm jungle]

Nurgle is actually a pretty complex entity. He is less the embodiment of a single emotion and more of the embodiment of humanity's collective response to the concept that death is inevitable. So he embodies ideas of despair, fear, bitterness, desperation. But at the same time he also embodies the will to survive no matter what, the determination to make your limited number of days on this Earth count, and the tranquil acceptance of the inevitable. This is why his followers and daemons can range from being jolly to miserable to spiteful.Basically its best to see him as all of the Five Stages of Grief (which keep in mind were originally created to describe the emotions of people with terminal illness) put together.

Nurgle might offer to make you content. Dull the pain, let you endure whatever is thrown at you. Let plague and pestilence become allies, let despair win and embrace the inevitability of ruin.

All he requires is that you give up, such an easy thing.

[green loom]

Also just

Disease

I'm a true nurglite though fr, apathy ftw

[keen stratus]

ah right, thats why it has so many followers

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

also damn sorry my answer is long af

[green loom]

That and the diseases tend to have the nasty side effect of

Horrible delusions

So willing or not

They Gon be a zombie

[queen laurel]

A lot of warhammer 40k lore questions can have answers big enough to rival a wikipedia page so don't worry we understand

[storm jungle]

[keen stratus]

nah dont worry, i dont know a shit about warhammer, but i would like to know

do you know where i could read the lore?

[storm jungle]

Books and the Wikipedia

if you want a simple summary then the lexicanum

OH also youtubers

[queen laurel]

Buddy, all i can tell you is buckle up because it can be a roller coaster propelled by rockets

[storm jungle]

^

[green loom]

Oculus Imperia and Baldermort are nice

[keen stratus]

yes i know

the more i see the more i realize the worse thing that ever happened to warhammer is that is a figure game

that its meant to be pg13

[storm jungle]

Literally yes lmao

[keen stratus]

that limits a lot of shit

like the whole slaanesh concept

[storm jungle]

40k is also unfortunately more or less dictated by miniatures/money more than the lore

but uh, for an intro

https://youtu.be/F2T0GqCLr6s

https://youtu.be/05YRMHWtv1Y

[green loom]

Idk Slaanesh can be fine models wise

[storm jungle]

Watch these 2 things

then its entirely up to you

you gotta forge your own path of learning

[green loom]

Hedonites look good

[storm jungle]

Or just ask here lmao

[green loom]

So do Slaanesh daemons

In the books though you'll maybe see a weird Slaanesh daemon that's pretty much word for word a horrible tentacle torture monster who feeds on children

[keen stratus]

thanks

[queen laurel]

@keen stratus if your going to watch warhammer youtube avoid someone named majorkill, from what i can get not a lot of people like him

[green loom]

His deal is more memes than lore

[keen stratus]

whats wrong with him?

[green loom]

And he's something of a prick

[keen stratus]

ok, that seems like pretty in character

[queen laurel]

Like @green loom said a bit of a prick

[green loom]

I have no love for Gamza, Arch or OMS but he's just picking fights lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah and his lore explanations are not the best

He is the only youtuber i had to open the wikipedia page to understand what the freak does this thing do

[green loom]

Plus there's much more wholesome memetubers

Like Pancreas and Bricky

[queen laurel]

One positive i can admit about majorkill is that the minis he offers is good looking

[green loom]

The most Major kill has contributed is challenging some of the dumber marine memes like ultras and DA, and a LOT of Porn

[keen stratus]

i dont even want to imagine how the slaanesh porn is

[storm jungle]

I mean

having seen it

[green loom]

There's actually remarkably little of it

[storm jungle]

its literally normal generic porn

just purple

lol

[queen laurel]

No shame today i see

[green loom]

It's all just

[storm jungle]

Also like a lot more fucked up content exists on r34

[green loom]

Eldar and Sisters

[storm jungle]

like

"drowning"

"death"

💀

[green loom]

A lot of marine stuff

[storm jungle]

Also that too

[green loom]

But it's mostly just eldar and Sisters

[storm jungle]

the 40k smut scene is literally just Tau/Eldar/Sisters bcause they got the bigger amount of female representation in the setting

so its very easy to make money or art off of it for coomer fans

[keen stratus]

what sisters?

[queen laurel]

Yes but that doesn't stop the weirdos from literally changing biology just to get their way

[green loom]

Yeah Tau have one(1) female character

[storm jungle]

No like

[queen laurel]

Sisters of battle

[green loom]

Of Battle
And silence

[storm jungle]

im talking fire warriors and shit

go to any site and search "tau female" and you'll see

its awful

[green loom]

Moreso battle

[green loom]

Usually it's just anime girls with like weird noses

Human hair

[queen laurel]

this is a sister of battle and this is why they get a lot of you know what

[green loom]

They're also the "repressed christian girl" archetype to most people

It's all very vanilla tbh

Fun fact, this was drawn by a Disney artist

[queen laurel]

That explains why her face built like mulan

[green loom]

Guy worked on Big Hero 6, Wreck it Ralph and another thing

[queen laurel]

The image of a guy working for a light-hearted company drawing something related to a setting so dark that it makes batman look like in light mode makes me chuckle

[green loom]

Apparently he does..... Other things

If you catch my drift

I'm on a bus though so I'm sure as shit not checking

[crystal forum]

can you imagine if zack snyder made a 40k movie

would he even try to be edgy with it

[keen stratus]

right, the tactical nuns

[crimson kayak]

He would in all the wrong aspects

[keen stratus]

NO GOD PLEASE NO, THAT GUYS MASSACRES LORES

remember watchmen?

[crystal forum]

release the konrad curze snyder cut

[crystal forum]

wasn't a bad movie though

[keen stratus]

but a terrible adaptation

that completly missed the comics point

[crystal forum]

true. he just uses superheroes as vehicles for his movies

[keen stratus]

the entire point of the comic is that superheroes arent epic, and this guy did epic fight scenes

rorschrach is not even remotely close to the comic

[crystal forum]

wait what? did you even watch the movie?

[keen stratus]

yep, the prison escape

have you forget?

[crystal forum]

they're all trashy people in the movie

[keen stratus]

and ozymandias kicking the guy with effects

hpmm

[keen stratus]

yes but not even remotely close to the comic

[crystal forum]

hey if it's decent it doesn't need to be close. i think it at least held some respect for the comics

[keen stratus]

the entire part of the silk specter and dr manhattan debating is really cutted

[keen stratus]

Alan Moore hated it

[crystal forum]

meanwhile his superman and batman adaptations...

[keen stratus]

and the only adaptation that i think its good besides the author hating it, its the shining

[green loom]

Comic book heroes live and die off random alternate realities

And 40k books aren't exactly paragons of consistency

[keen stratus]

usually if the author doesnt like it, it says everything you need to know

[crystal forum]

honestly i have no idea how comic book lore nerds dont become insane

[keen stratus]

man, big hero 6 has such an stupid villain, if it werent for that, the movie is pretty good on the rest, but man they screwed it with

[crystal forum]

it's all about power levels and who can beat up who

40k at the very least keeps some main plot points consistent and doesn't use alternate universe excuses

when authors use alternate universes in their fiction for anything other than "what if?" scenarios then you know they've given up

[keen stratus]

do the fucking empirium has any hope or they just delusional?

[crystal forum]

are you new to 40k, genuine question

[keen stratus]

yep

yes

really

sorry if its a stupid question

[crystal forum]

the answer is pretty complicated

[queen laurel]

It can improve but the ego of the people who operate it

Not so much

[celest dome]

They'll loose, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow
But these are the death throes of the dying Empire

[queen laurel]

It has gotten to the point that only the emperor him self could probably reverse the imperium back to its former glory

[keen stratus]

and for what i get theyre their own worse enemy, since killing with rage feeds khornse, dispair nurgle, strategy tzeentch and go on

[crystal forum]

realistically the imperium will never "improve" because it goes against grimdark and GW's sales model

[keen stratus]

i wonder how much people in the imperium seek pleasure

[queen laurel]

Have you heard of pleasure worlds?

[keen stratus]

nop

[celest dome]

Everyone, searching for pleasure is one of the few things every living thing does

[queen laurel]

It's basically on a planet dedicated to having a good time

Everyone in the planet is peaceful you can do everything eat the best food do the dirty you know vacation

[keen stratus]

what dont tell me the fucking imperium has that, and they dont realize slaanesh and the whole shit

[crystal forum]

you have to be mega rich to go to pleasure worlds though

[queen laurel]

The thing is the planet doesn't really go way too much into ecstasy for it to be potent

You really need to do something really really fucked up

[crimson kayak]

Don't worry, basically every world has atleast a closet chaos cultist in it these days

[keen stratus]

wait, doesnt pleasure in general feeds slaanesh?

[crimson kayak]

Yes and no

[keen stratus]

right

[crystal forum]

they're the god of excess, not moderation

[celest dome]

Excess does

[queen laurel]

Yes, but it has to be excessive

[crystal forum]

moderation is the bane of slaanesh

[crimson kayak]

To really fuel a chaos god you must go the extra mile basically

[keen stratus]

right

[queen laurel]

Yeah even if they embody an emotion you have to go an extra mile to power that emotion just to feed them

[crystal forum]

i believe they do get fed a tiny bit like how khorn gets fed by small wars

[crimson kayak]

Obviously works different with something like Khorne who just feeds off killing and extreme violence in the universe full of extreme violence

[crystal forum]

and nurgle will feed off of the omnipresent idea of decay

[crimson kayak]

Yes, but at that point anything you do fuels some warp entity in a very small way

[keen stratus]

and for what i know worshipping slaanesh is like heroin basically, but with everyhting

[crimson kayak]

So you can just write the normal stuff off as passable

[queen laurel]

It's unavoidable that you empower the chaos gods in your day-to-day life

Just making a new coffee machine might make tzeentch a tiny bit more powerful

[crimson kayak]

Definetly does make vashtoor

[crystal forum]

at this point the gods are only focused on huge events for their feeding. maybe before humans took to the stars they survived off of small morsels

[keen stratus]

what chaos gods you guys think is the worse, for what i know, tzeentch i think

[crystal forum]

tzeentch is pretty under represented imo

[queen laurel]

Valid argument, considering that when he feels like it he does a little trolling

[crimson kayak]

Ye, normal stuff Is basically like trying to drip feed a planet sized animal

[queen laurel]

One day you're serving him and then he just turns you into a chicken that breaths fire

[crimson kayak]

Hey, next day you may wake up with two chicken heads who knows

[crystal forum]

moving up in the world

[keen stratus]

yes ive heard that in a video, you make a scheme to steal someones boots, and he rather gives you the ability of olbiterating youre enemies with your mind, or it turns you into a sack of shit in the service of other guy thats making a scheme to steal someones belt

[storm jungle]

A bit late but basically the Imperium is its own worst enemy and the reason chaos cults and such prosper within its own worlds is because your average imperial is basically the worst version of a wage slave where their entire lives are to be wasted away in factories and other such industrial jobs or even worse labour work among much more horrific fates, they look for escapes from this torment and choose an equally as worse fate because of it by embracing chaos and growing cults to overthrow their imperial rulers.

To be a man in such times is to be one among untold billions to trillions as the saying goes, the Imperium are one of the most evil factions in the setting alongside chaos and the most self-defeating one in equal measure.

Be careful not to fall into the pit of chuds that think the Imperium are humanity's "only survival" or that they are the "good guys"

[crystal forum]

grimdark grimdark grimdark

[keen stratus]

nah, i know they arent

[storm jungle]

okay good

that makes you already smarter than 80% of the fandom

[crystal forum]

uh actually the humans are the good guys because vulkan is the best boy

[storm jungle]

AUGHHH-

[viral halo]

Imperium are the good guys

Team humanity

[queen laurel]

As a wise guy once said

A layer of polish won't cover excrement

[keen stratus]

whos vulkan?

[crystal forum]

if vulkan comes back he will save the imperium

[crimson kayak]

Primarch of the salamanders

[queen laurel]

Primarch of the salamanders

[keen stratus]

and what has he done?

[crystal forum]

primarch with reverse albinism who comes back to life every so often and loves fire

[viral halo]

show sympathy for regular humans when most marines don't care cause they get in the way

[plush mason]

the big demon looking man that once burned an eldar child alive and spawned a whole line of memes lol

[crystal forum]

are salamanders canonically black or is it a mutation in the gene seed

[rain tusk]

Jokaero are the only good faction in 40k no other faction comes close

Orks are second

[keen stratus]

a right, so the only good

one

man, slaanesh sure would be please with internets degeneracy

like

[queen laurel]

One of the kindest people in the setting but of course that doesn't mean he doesn't have flaws

[viral halo]

You'll find a common theme with those that are big fans of slaneesh

[keen stratus]

all of rule you know and all shit

[crimson kayak]

Mutation and something something their planet

If I recall right

[plush mason]

nids are unironically the most morally good faction in the setting due to the simple fact they act only out of instinct and necessity lol

[crystal forum]

you can just tell that british people invented these things

[queen laurel]

Just pick a street fighter juri main and slaanesh is set for a good 5 years

[viral halo]

I like to separate the art from the artist

[plush mason]

cant be morally evil if you have no morals

[viral halo]

lmfao

[keen stratus]

yep, its always the brits isnt it

good ol racism

[crimson kayak]

God i love how nobody mentions he also exterminates an entire population of Nocturne descendants that got freed and worked with the Eldar on that same planet

[viral halo]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-dante-devil-may-cry-devil-may-cry5-hello-hello-based-department-gif-26042779

[keen stratus]

https://youtu.be/fwNN1PSrydE

ITS A JOKE VIDEO NOTHING BAD HAPPENS ON IT

dont get scared

[crystal forum]

I didn't say that. just saying they probably weren't exposed to black culture a lot so didn't think about adding any of it

[plush mason]

he is canonically the most xenophobic of the primarchs i think

[keen stratus]

ok

[queen laurel]

I love the fact that the channel name is the same name as one of the ork units

[keen stratus]

yes, its two guys who like warhammer

[green loom]

Yeah "nicest"

He still supports the imperium which oppresses it's citizens and murders children

[keen stratus]

https://youtu.be/bi6wG3imbAc

[keen stratus]

no one in warhammer its perfect

[crimson kayak]

I still don't understand the difference between them and Lootas

[queen laurel]

Like i said he has flaws

[viral halo]

means and ends

[keen stratus]

for what i understand, orks are the ones having most fun in the warhammer universe right?

[queen laurel]

Lootaz loot stuff and steal stuff

Flasgitz are rich and can buy the greatest stuff

[queen laurel]

Yes

[crystal forum]

orks genuinely enjoy themselves

[plush mason]

"look at me flash boz' "

that line still cracks me up

[queen laurel]

Oh man dawn of war flasgitz are devastating

Get a firing line of the bastards and nothing will probably get out of that

[plush mason]

ikr

[crystal forum]

i don't think they're always happy though. they seem pretty angry a lot of the time and their hierarchy makes not being the biggest lad pretty unfun

[plush mason]

so much dakka

[queen laurel]

Yeah imagine you got yourself a new gun and a loota just nicked it

You would be pretty mad

[plush mason]

just nick it back or kill him if you can

[queen laurel]

Yes

[crimson kayak]

I still want to make a loota who's weapon is just a bunch of lasguns and hellguns cobbled into a single gun

[crystal forum]

oddboyz do seem like they enjoy whatever their specialty is

[queen laurel]

That's a beamy deffgun

[plush mason]

is that a british thing or something? calling stealing "nicking"

[queen laurel]

Which is basically a las cannon

[plush mason]

like in the US we say "pinching"

[crimson kayak]

Ye but I want something more chaotic, basically make it act like a multilas/las minigun

[crystal forum]

what is this US

[green loom]

Believe so

[queen laurel]

Yeah that can work just say it's a custom weapon

[crystal forum]

do you mean merica

[plush mason]

yes

[crimson kayak]

Oh i kmow that

[green loom]

Monsi can I draw one of your guys

[crimson kayak]

Oh God wich one of what

But sure

[crystal forum]

draw him licking a popsicle sensually

[green loom]

The greek looking guy you have as your pfp

[crimson kayak]

Oh, for sure

I should have the full image on the fan art channel

Somewhere in the logs

[queen laurel]

What is your pfp it looks like a space marine wearing a custodes helmet

[crystal forum]

that was my first thought too

[green loom]

That's one of them Thracian helmets or something

[crimson kayak]

Helmet is redrawn from a emperor's children fan art, the rest is a custom marine of the void tridents cobbled together from using primaris Lt. Models as reference

[queen laurel]

So it's a mishmash to make something that looks pretty cool

I have a simple brain i'm very sorry

[green loom]

I'm going to be doing this for tabletop sim once I work up the motivation

[crystal forum]

best helmet

[rose thorn]

he nervious :<

[crimson kayak]

More or less ye, I used models as reference, drew the standard marine shape and then added custom stuff in

[crystal forum]

i love helmet design evolution. so damn ugly

[crimson kayak]

Found it

[rose thorn]

why does he have a dire avenger helmet?

[queen laurel]

Ma boy looks like an exclusive limited edition figure

[crystal forum]

looks great man

[queen laurel]

That's a compliment by the way

[rose thorn]

OH yeee i like it! im sorry im dumb lol

[crimson kayak]

Lol i noticed too

[rose thorn]

i love the power pack symbol i lvoe those things

[plush mason]

the Greeks "lets invent a form of lightweight cloth armor that is strong enough to stop arrows and spears" also the Greeks "lets just wear a 5 pound bronze pot on our heads too"

[queen laurel]

I lack a reference for my character since i draw like a god damn gorilla
But my Ork looks very similar to this tank krakka boss

[crimson kayak]

Something something void tridents use heavy Greek sea culture so Greek style marine helmet design stolen from another fan art

[queen laurel]

Just replace some the weapons and you're good to go

[crystal forum]

gotta survive those blunt weapons somehow

[rose thorn]

its really cool i like it! my tired brain misread the helmet but i see it

[crimson kayak]

I could try doing something, never did an ork yet

[plush mason]

what the hell is a tank krakka?

[crystal forum]

hahahahaha greek navy

[crimson kayak]

Oh right, navy was the word

[queen laurel]

It's a custom model for a war boss it seems

[plush mason]

ah

[queen laurel]

That's the name of the model

Basically tank cracker

[crimson kayak]

He krakks tanks obvioisly

[crystal forum]

wait i confused the greek navy with the roman navy

[queen laurel]

pretty big model so fitting name

[rose thorn]

what chapter is he?

[crystal forum]

greek navy was busted

[queen laurel]

Didn't they basically invent a special type of fire

[crimson kayak]

Void tridents, Um successors

[queen laurel]

Greek fire was it

[crimson kayak]

Ye

[rose thorn]

thasts a baller ass chapter! i saw it and its an amazing colorscheme

[queen laurel]

Yeah that

[crystal forum]

eastern roman empire started it

way after ancient greece

[queen laurel]

I ain't no history guy so don't know

[rose thorn]

that would be a baller and easy lieutenant to make for table top!

[crystal forum]

it's theorized to be some sort of napalm but the ingenious part was the hose weapon system that was a closely guarded secret

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah they found a way to basically spray the damn thing from far away

[crimson kayak]

I mean, if you look at it just right you can notice everything except the helmet and back symbol thingie are model parts lol

[rose thorn]

the symbol can be made ez with uhhh, plasticard? the plastic shit everyone uses for orks

and the helmet literally remnove the top half of a fire avenger, and cut off the top of a space marine helmet

and bam

instant classic

[stark cargo]

That's a nice explanation, thank you.

[rose thorn]

hwhats everyones favorite hivefleet/splinter fleet/ what ever else they are callled?

[storm jungle]

Honestly they arent that many famous ones is there?

[rose thorn]

im suprised how little there is in hivefleets

i was expecting lato mroe ut theres like

5

jormungandr is pretty neat

id like gorgon but holy fuck thier shceme is terrible

[queen laurel]

Leviathan

I like the classic

[rose thorn]

fair

imma wait for the new ones to get named

i quite like this one

[queen laurel]

I like the color scheme

I wonder what makes them unique tho

[rose thorn]

reminds me of uhhh

[queen laurel]

Like what's their gimmick

[rose thorn]

ouroboris

they are the stealth one

but they have bioluminescent

on thier guns

[queen laurel]

I'm not going to ask why being bioluminescent when you want to go stealth is a good idea

[green loom]

I like the old red and black one

[rose thorn]

it causes 'a haze effect'

so thye are harder to hit

dotn ask me what it has to do with Ouroboris

[queen laurel]

Kronos, that would be the anti chaos hive fleet

[rose thorn]

behemoth or krono(trigger)

[crystal forum]

wait chaos and nids can fight?

i thought nids nullified chaos

[queen laurel]

A basic shadow of the warp would only probably give your demon a very painful headache

A Kronos shadow of the warp would make them wish they'd never existed

[crystal forum]

i always hated that about nids

logically they'd be the biggest threat to chaos since they're literally removing their food source

[queen laurel]

What shadow of the warp?

[crystal forum]

but chaos can't do shit about it

[crystal forum]

yeah

[queen laurel]

Yeah it can make psychic related things rather painful for you

Good luck trying to cast a spell when you're getting psychically annihilated

[crystal forum]

did GW think they weren't powerful enough when they were creating the nids or something

[queen laurel]

They have extremely amazing adaptation abilities and devastating monsters i guess they had to throw in the anti psychic for good measure

[crystal forum]

all i hear is "you can't call for help, you can't kill them or else they'll multiply like a hydra and they'll adapt to whatever you can throw at them. go fuck yourself"

[queen laurel]

Well atleast the necrons counters them

But they are way too busy being necrons for that to happen anytime soon

[crystal forum]

they're just the worst faction power wise imo

[queen laurel]

Yeah because of how terrifying and powerful they are they are often utilized as plot devices

To show how awesome something is

[crystal forum]

i think the multiplying queen thing is the absolute worst

it's like if angron reproduced through osmosis when he returns to the warp

to me at least it just makes everything else seem weak in comparison

[queen laurel]

Well that's the point of the tyranids apparently, a monster that seems unbeatable

A Monster that can adapt to whatever you do to it and you cannot even use your magical power because it just deletes it

[crystal forum]

isn't that what most major "enemy" factions in 40k are though

you can't stop chaos, you can't stop orks, you can't stop necrons...

nids are just way too overboard

[queen laurel]

Yeah their plan is to make something more horrifying than Orks, chaos or necrons

A monster that doesn't think but is a single-minded creature that just consumes

At least those guys can think for themselves these ones don't

[crystal forum]

i guess GW uses them sparingly enough that it doesn't matter

[queen laurel]

You can reason with necrons and orks to even help you from time to time, chaos can think and do something that you would expect

Tyranids don't, you can't reason with them, you can't beg them to stop killing everything in front of you, you can't even scream for help because they can just silence you

The things that you can do to other factions you can't do to them

There is no talking your way out of getting eaten

[crystal forum]

if GW ever goes all out after the horus heresy series ends and starts a new big event series i bet the nids would be the main enemy

[queen laurel]

I mean the silent king himself said that they are one of the biggest threats in the galaxy

[crystal forum]

i hope they don't rehash chaos again due to nostalgia profits

like every major company is doing

[queen laurel]

That's the sad part gw only believes in profits

[crystal forum]

eldar and imperium working together would be pretty sweet

[queen laurel]

There have been instances of that in lore

[crystal forum]

yeah that's why i mentioned it

[queen laurel]

It would be eldar space marine and ork

Because every time something happens the three of those are always there

[crystal forum]

lol orks

[queen laurel]

They are basically the big three of warhammer

[crystal forum]

can you imagine ogryns and orks fighting together

[queen laurel]

There are Orks that hire ogryn mercenaries

[crystal forum]

do they even get along

[queen laurel]

The meks remove the burst limiter on the ripper gun

[queen laurel]

Both of them like smashing things and both of them are big

An ogryn can reach 10 feet which is basically the minimum height of a war boss

[crystal forum]

orks are smarter though right?

[queen laurel]

Well yes

[crystal forum]

isn't that crazy

[queen laurel]

Since ogryns primarily focus their brains on survival

They have a hard time on adapting on other things

Sorry about that voice typing is annoying

But yes generally orks are the smarter of the two

[crystal forum]

maybe the ork being available in the new game or whatever is a hint that it might happen

[queen laurel]

The biggest example of this by the way i know this is late is the bad Krumpany

Specifically these boys

Lunk'z ladz

[crystal forum]

bad krumpany lmao

[queen laurel]

Yeah orky names for pre-existing stuff is normal

[crystal forum]

make me want a 40k battlefield game with orks

[queen laurel]

That'd be lit

But i'm pretty sure some blood axe will camp somewhere and just snipe you

[crystal forum]

engaging gameplay

[summer rover]

ork
snipe
if you mean, "Spray several mags of ammo from cover" yeah i guess.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[celest dome]

What are we telling whom ?

[pale onyx]

hey so for angron he reforms back into real space pretty fucking quickly, that's cus Khorne is using a lot of his power to do so right? And it's paying off considering what he can do. Why doesn't Nurgle do that for Mortarion? I mean he literally killed the golden boy and the only reason he lost was cus of the big E and none of the chaos gods can do anything against him

[storm jungle]

We dont really know

its just the Rift

[storm jungle]

Also because plot

these subjects arent that deep for the most part

[pale onyx]

damn

I wanna see more nurgle

and daemon primearchs are pretty much upgraded greater daemons

in terms of pwoer

[celest dome]

Well you've come to the right place I suppose
Though there is some hope for other Chaos factions

[storm jungle]

Their entire job is to kill nameless imperials and get their ass kicked when a named character shows up.

So your assessment is correct

[pale onyx]

yep

[storm jungle]

Mortarion has died like... 9 times i think?

Which is fucking hilarious

[pale onyx]

they even fucking perma killed a GUO with the big E sword

[storm jungle]

to be fair nameless daemon

[crimson kayak]

cause he pissed nurgle off along with ku'gath

[pale onyx]

still, that's a big boi of nurgle

[pale onyx]

only cus nurgle wanted him to retreat but he said nah right?

he would of done wonders for nurgle

if it wasn't for big E

[crimson kayak]

if i remember right it's cause of that and the cauldron

[celest dome]

Quite a few unanmed Greater Daemon died

[pale onyx]

yeah bnut like im talking perma died

[storm jungle]

Theres literally no reason for it

the short respawn timer is unrelated

[celest dome]

I was too

[pale onyx]

what happened to the cauldron?

[storm jungle]

It got burnt

[pale onyx]

ah okay

[storm jungle]

Guilliman got killed and resurrected by Big E

and he caused a small surge in Nurgle's garden and a fire

[pale onyx]

ah okay and they blamed mortarian for that

[crimson kayak]

oh no wait

mortation doesn't die in the plague wars

[pale onyx]

doesnt he get banished by big E

[crimson kayak]

apparently he said "alright i'm out" the moment he saw big E's power

meanwhile Ku'gath got shafted by a guardsman

[pale onyx]

wait so then he's just in timeout withi nnurgles mansion or something

[crimson kayak]

dunno's, probably fucked off scheming like the rest of the unannounced primarchs

he got in a scuffle with perturabo apparently

[green loom]

In theory they don't take long to reform in the warp

The issue is being resummoned

Angron can do it because random plot device

[uneven temple]

He doesn't really get banished, more like nurgle takes him out back with his belt out

[nocturne crest]

Could Horus return if there was enough believers in him?

[green loom]

Wouldn't be Horus

[echo vault]

His soul was completely obliterated but for stuff like the fulgrim clone it's completely possible

[arctic talon]

Horus is mega dead

[earnest snow]

Remember th at time in the lore when someone did something and had bad consequences despite having good intentions? Yeah I liked that part

[arctic talon]

Lol

[earnest snow]

me when the avatars of khaine roll up

God some things are bullied so hard just to show the power off on some character, but it really just lessens that "Showing off"

[celest dome]

You're gonna have to be more specific

[earnest snow]

because its done so much

[earnest snow]

[nocturne crest]

What about an Avatar of Horus?

[gloomy citrus]

That's low-key Failbaddon.

[crimson kayak]

Horus's soul got alt f4'd

So basically it would be another warp entity that may or may not look and think he's horus at the very best

[gloomy citrus]

Possibility like the two other Primarchs.

[crimson kayak]

Nah they probably just got killed

The rest is just censorship

[nocturne crest]

And the black legion would not be happy with that.

[rose thorn]

Wait, the New model, old model, or AOS model???

Oh im dumb that’s the old thing

[storm jungle]

yeah this was when it was getting updated

[celest dome]

The Primarch kinda all seem to be splintered, kinda like C'tan, but for Horus, all of it was just burned off

[storm jungle]

because hehe GW do le funny

[rose thorn]

lol okay good

if i was the most meta gaming person ever i could go to my LGS and buy the old AOK model because they still have one and it technically still is legal despite being a midget

so it can actually use cover

[arctic talon]

It’s still legal but it uses the current minis height and base size

[rose thorn]

it uses the hieght?

i didnt know that

you gotta put him on the most hero of all the rocks

[arctic talon]

Lol

There’s a guy at my lgs who has a really tall flag

He uses to indicate the height lol

[near wasp]

Even though horus' soul is gone. Do yall think a daemon might form from the collective fear of horus

[celest dome]

If GW/BL writer want it, sure

[rose thorn]

im honestly suprised there isnt fear based demons in warhammer

[copper slate]

Same here...

[green loom]

Nothing saying you can't make them

[rose thorn]

ive always thought there should be a kinda elite option for each god

tzeentch has one sorta with the pink horrors

but like, maybe armored blood letters or something

[storm jungle]

Arent the elites like uhhh

Heralds

[rose thorn]

heralds are the infantry leader

[storm jungle]

Arent those squad leaders?

[rose thorn]

nah

[storm jungle]

damn, no wonder i dont play tabletop

[rose thorn]

they are just a mdoel that can take a warlord trait

literally just a normal demon that happens to have an aura

not counting plague bearer's they have multiple and they are good

[storm jungle]

[winter vessel]

Just got updated with 10th edition Leviathan. Man, Leontus is REALLY trying his best to keep his forces organized against the Tyranid hive fleets.

[storm jungle]

Hes a good chap

downside

they got a Bio-Deathstar heading their way

[winter vessel]

At the same time, He's also transmitting live footage of him visiting Imperial Guard posts to keep the morale up. So my meme-atic mind can just picture him doing trip vlogs and visiting different planets like an online Youtube Entertainer. L.C L: "What's up Imperium? its your Lord Commander Leontus back at it again with another video for the Guardsmen and the brave souls fighting the Tyranid threat."

[storm jungle]

Yeah I was watching Bricky's vid on it today and he memed about that too

[crystal forum]

the idea of television existing in 40k changes many things in my head

[storm jungle]

TV has existed since the last 30 years in 40k

what cave were you living in

Mine???

[crystal forum]

cave sharers 😳

[storm jungle]

[plush mason]

kek

[near wasp]

is rugby on the vox

[storm jungle]

Only on saturdays

[crimson kayak]

Astral knights seeing it and getting world engine vibes

[earnest snow]

I am vastly disappointed that I haven't found a farsight body pillow

I need that champ in my closet

[heavy bison]

Anyone know what Lord Solar Leontus’s pistol is meant to be?

I don’t have the 9th Ed codex so I’m in the dark about his fluff.

Working on kitbashing a Catachan Leontus in a scout sentinel with a mech sized devils claw and stuck on what to make the weapon look like in the other arm.

[cold jetty]

Archeotech laspistol

:^)

[heavy bison]

I was assuming it was either relic las or like relic volkite. But wasn’t sure if it was meant to be a fancy bolt pistol or something.

Because that isn’t a whole lot to go on.

[storm jungle]

not a bolt pistol no

its just a relic pistol i think, so possibly just uses advanced bullets

[heavy bison]

I can work with that.

I assumed it was plasma or melta till I took another look at the rules.

[summer rover]

most likely some stub varient, those can use all sorts of ammo.

there's a hammer to cock there, ou don't see those in anything else

[storm jungle]

What does it say there?

[summer rover]

it's possible it's a combi-weapon of some sort, there's a bolted on bit there that you normally wouldn't see, but it could also just be a pistol stock.

[storm jungle]

deffo just a pistol-stock

if it was something special they'd have outright specified it

[summer rover]

so back to fancy stub-gun for me.

[storm jungle]

ye it probably is just what it is

he seems old fashioned enough for it

[heavy bison]

Basically jack

[storm jungle]

damn

okay yeah its literally just a pistol then

if it was anything specific they'd have said so i think

[heavy bison]

I'll see if I can get one of the Invictor warsuit pistols as bitz.

[storm jungle]

yeah theres a lot to choose from in the site

[heavy bison]

I'm using Nfeyma's sentinels as proxies, I like the style more than the new sentinels, still torn between getting the old ones as Armored ones or just bolting more armor onto these.

[crystal forum]

goofy aah shell clip

[heavy bison]

Yeah I'm just using guns from a Hydra kit.

[crystal forum]

hydra best tank

shame it sucks

[heavy bison]

Its not bad in 10th

[storm jungle]

The Imperial Guard still exists as a faction???

I thought they got retconned from existence in 5th edition

👩‍🦼

[heavy bison]

Sorry I can't hear you under all these bodies I'm throwing at this objective.

[storm jungle]

damn it

[heavy bison]

I tried to get into a Catachan army back in 3rd after picking up the Battle for Macragge starter box in like 2007, then feeling ripped off as assault on black reach came out with the orcs and uspcaled marines and the box’naught.

I got like, 2 basilisks and 2 blisters of metal catachans before I got into other hobbies.

[copper slate]

It's called the Astra Militarum now.

[desert dust]

They have renamed everything to something copyrightable

Then just have every normal name as slag

Kinda like marines and jar heads are the same.

[arctic talon]

One is the common word the other is the fancy one

[celest dome]

Low and High Gothic

[rich patrol]

Ok is it considered religious if your god actually physically exists

superstition by definition is the belief in supernatural forces without any evidence, but the god emperor actually exists, so technically the sisters of battle are not really religious

the same way we don't call scientists religious for practicing and worshipping science

[celest dome]

Religion doesn't hinge on the provability of the Deity

[rich patrol]

But believing in the god emperor is not really a religion since he exists physically and is literally holding the imperium together

it's the truth, much like science is the truth, not a religion

[green loom]

Do you worship it

If yes
It's a religion

[rich patrol]

So science is a religion?

[green loom]

Do you worship science

Because tech religions are a thing

[rich patrol]

I admire and believe in technology and our ability to create more of it. And one day we can create our own salvation with science

[queen laurel]

ahem mechanicus

[rich patrol]

That is a grey area cause I don't believe that rubbing oil on my PC will make it run better

[green loom]

It's not a grey area because they literally worship technology and machines

[queen laurel]

at the end of the day religion is all belief, and in warhammer if enough believe in something then it's a religion that will manifest something

Depending on what your god tells you to do is up to them

And the emperor got the worship that's a God because well without him stopping the spread of his Bible he just became God

[celest dome]

Do you worship science ?

[green loom]

Pray at a statue of Stephen Hawking

[crimson kayak]

Tbh the name+how fuckhuge the holster is makes me think it's plasma

You can also see some small notches on the top part

Mostly because it has absolutely nowhere to put a mag

And hydrogen flasks are definetly more compact

[rich patrol]

Well I don't build a shrine and burn incense in the name of science, but I do think it's our only proven viable option

[crimson kayak]

It's not about the person it's about the deeds attributed to said person

Example: Jesus

[green loom]

There's a difference between a dude existing and there being an entire galaxy spanning church around him

[crimson kayak]

Or any other prophet tbh

[celest dome]

So it's not a religion

[crimson kayak]

Like, when you stop saying "the emperor is our leader" and go "the emperor is our God and father" yeah at that point you can easily think it's religious

[rich patrol]

But even if jesus existed we have no concrete proof that the miracles he performed was real, religious text don't count obviously

[crimson kayak]

Ye and Tbf we don't know what's said in the imperial cult about the emperor

[rich patrol]

but the imperium documents all deeds performed by the emperor and the impact of those deeds are very much real, like how the dark imperium went to shit when his astronomicon went offline

[crimson kayak]

Especially not in it's 10000 planetary variants that exists

[green loom]

Not everyone has access to those, majority can't ve sure he exists

[crimson kayak]

Majority don't even know what the fuck is going on yet

[celest dome]

You can worship the moon or the stars for what they are

[crimson kayak]

Especially if they are still alive and stuck in Nihilus or shit like that

[rich patrol]

What about the shitshow the dark imperium citizens are suffering through after the astronomicon went offline, it's a concrete proof to those citizens that the emperor exists

[crimson kayak]

Also yeah, the imperial cult is very generalized, anything from a Death Cult to Hospitallers to Tribal rituals weirdly associated with a golden man are all good in the eye of the imperial cult

So you could probably find a planet where people think the emperor created them and yadda yadda like our religions

Like, the very act of praying to a person and calling it your God by itself is enough to start considering it a religion or at the very least a cult

And let's be fair every aspect of the imperium is both a pyramid scheme and a cult

[green loom]

The ecclesiarchy just goes
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735819155608961044/1118643824726642730/watch_your_tone_mf.mov

[crimson kayak]

Very simply refusing to believe in the idea he's not a god same as how we still have people believing in the creation mith's here

[celest dome]

It's like in DnD and most things, if you worship a deity, it's religion, but if you don't it can be because you're not recognizing them as Divine or worthy of worship

[plush mason]

i always loved that about dnd and pathfinder, "how do athists exist in a world where gods are real?" they just reject the gods' as being worthy of worship

[celest dome]

Well there are the 2, those that don't view them as worthy -> Agnostic
And those that don't view them as Divine, just as more evolved stuff -> Atheist

[plush mason]

true

[crimson kayak]

Summing up Bile's relation with the chaos gods pretty much

Except he got both in one package

[woeful bloom]

Guys, is there a tabletop ability equivalent for what the veteran sharpshooter ability is? His stance thing where he highlights enemies and gains damage.

[gloomy citrus]

He told Slaanesh that she doesn't exist.

[woeful bloom]

Ogryn and zealot charge, psy has brain burst which is a real psyker ability

What's an equal to the veteran's ability?

[green loom]

In Kill team the sniper veteran has really good ballistic skill but beyond that idk

Maybe Markerlights for Tau?

Regular guard afaik don't really have anything equivalent but I'm not particularly familiar with regular tabletop rules

[crimson kayak]

Uh, just noticed vet guards can use hot shot powerpacks in killteam

[green loom]

That's only for that narrative game mode right?

[crimson kayak]

Ye spec ops

[storm jungle]

More or less just good ballistic skills and being a sharpshooter

[woeful bloom]

Thx

So there's no specific ability equal?

[woeful bloom]

Maybe this apparently

[storm jungle]

Yeah that

its not exactly tabletop equilavent, its mostly for gameplay

[woeful bloom]

Ahh ok

[crimson kayak]

Either marker light or using spotter squad mates in kill team

[woeful bloom]

Cuz I know brain blast is a very psyker thing

[copper slate]

Slightly goofy idea for that Warframe/Warhammer 40k story I shared before… There’s a story passed around the Ogryns about a ‘Fierce Kitty’ that helped a group of Skullbreakers break into a bunker full of spike armored punies. (Valkyr Prime was more than happy to help the big lugs.)

[green loom]

Doesn't that just give you an extra action point

Or am I thinking of Comms vet

[crimson kayak]

Spotter let's you mark an enemy and activate another squad mate to engage

[green loom]

Regardless of them being activated before?

If yes you just gave me some nice ideas

[crimson kayak]

Ye that one is the signal vet

[green loom]

I can't wait to play KT again man

Going to try out my signal/sniper combo

[woeful bloom]

Thank you!

[crimson kayak]

Ye just consider it's not for himself but for another unit

So it's more of a yes and no regarding it being like the sharpshooter ability

[rose thorn]

isnt it funny that the poster boy eldar craft world is the literal least important one

[green loom]

I've found Neo Gamza

[summer rover]

30 minutes
any fantasy player could get at LEAST an hour out of that topic. Fake Fan!

probably owns a collection of funko pops

[green loom]

The other videos are much worse

[summer rover]

i choose to read that as the guy who made the video tried to date a rare animal and the dudes at the game store beat him up for it and called animal control.

[green loom]

Augh

[celest dome]

AoS need not be saved. AoS only need surrounding media. Like good games

[summer rover]

AoS isn't a good game itself, how're they gonna make good games out of it.

[storm jungle]

this is like

braindead gamza tier video titles

[green loom]

I told you it's Neo Gamza

[storm jungle]

oh god i just saw that 💀

also like the records revealed by GW shows its GW's second best selling IP after 40k so lol

[green loom]

Do I make myself suffer by watching it

[storm jungle]

no

you dont

[crimson kayak]

Wait, what other ip's do they have? I rememeber LOTR but not much else

[green loom]

Ok I will go panic about ordering models instead

[storm jungle]

Theres main IPs then theres sub-games like kill-team etc

naturally the main games for both settings are the top

then it kinda devolved into the smaller games for each one sales wise

id go get it but its like buried DEEP in warhammer community and im not touching that shitty ass site

[crimson kayak]

I mean, kinda fair that the main ip sells more than the equivalent of spin off's

Otherwise something is very, very wrong with the main ip

[storm jungle]

pretty much yeah

[crimson kayak]

See Warmachine 4.0 for an example

[storm jungle]

its mostly because a lot of people call AoS a failed IP that doesnt get sales when it gets a shit ton

mostly due to its accessability iirc

[crimson kayak]

Wich btw i love that they started selling already magnetized models, if only they didn't cost two kidneys instead of one now

[green loom]

40k shills when asked to research the things they hate

They already don't research the thing they like so they're definitely not doing it to something they don't care about

[crimson kayak]

40k shills when asked to research*

[storm jungle]

"Boy I love generic marines fighting against generic cultists"

AoS

Khorne furries vs Shaolin Vampires

man i wish 40k stepped up its miniature design

[arctic talon]

Ignore marines and they’re nice tbh

Marines are just always the same

[storm jungle]

Everywhere I turn, I see them

[crimson kayak]

Also as someone who never touched aos, what do grand alliances imply? Does it favor more mush lists or it's just a way to divide the factions like ordertide/chaostide?

[storm jungle]

Grand Alliance is basically ordertide yeah

but like uhhh

[arctic talon]

Allies to an extent

[storm jungle]

a lot of of the order factions are very morally grey

[arctic talon]

They also hate each other half the time

Big suprise

[storm jungle]

^

[rose thorn]

ooo we talking aos

[arctic talon]

It’s just like fantasy fr fr

[storm jungle]

its literally fantasy NATO

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

except they actually do something

[arctic talon]

Except they kill each other

And their enemy

[storm jungle]

AUGHHH

[rose thorn]

who we talking about?

[crimson kayak]

Oh nono I meant like, is it just a lore thing or it actually allows for more plays in game

[storm jungle]

Explaining the grand alliances to Monsi

[green loom]

It let's you team up with factions

[rose thorn]

ah

[storm jungle]

also yeee

its for teamups

[rose thorn]

what are we at?

[green loom]

Ordertide mixes with ordertide, Chaostide with Chaostide etc,

[storm jungle]

Just the start

[rose thorn]

oh lol

[green loom]

Ordertide just has the bonus of having a purpose built soup army in Cities of Sigmar

[rose thorn]

i usually just say that order just hates chaos

[storm jungle]

and yeah its also allows for more "lore reasons" as to why your armies can work together compared to 40k where almost every army is nazi-tier racists

[rose thorn]

and thats the only reason they have like a 10% chacne of not killinge ach other on sight

[storm jungle]

yeee

[crimson kayak]

Neat, not being able to mix and match armies within the same faction/allied factions always bothered me in 40k

[arctic talon]

Tbh they only do that in 40K bcs of balance

The armies in 40K are way more hyper specialized

Then AoS

[crimson kayak]

I mean, fair when also half the armies are with the imperium

And everyone else just fucks off on their own

[rose thorn]

the only exceptionwould be storm casts and cities, and cities who are allied with a specific faction

[green loom]

Ordertide are convenient allies who are stable enough to broker alliances
Chaostide are convenient enough to pause killing eachother to kill someone else
Deathtide need souls and the living folk are more desirable enemies than other corpses
Destrotide beat eachother into submission before attacking someone else

[storm jungle]

Id compare it to something like an Imperial Guard regiment asking for aid from a nearby Craftworld/Necron Tombworld to clear out a planet full of chaos marines/orks/nids before parlaying after the battle about who gets to keep what.

AoS has a "chill" vibe like that but theres still tension between a lot of the factions.

Meanwhile anything of what I described in 40k is usually impossible.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

They’d just stab each other

[storm jungle]

yep

[rose thorn]

also death are extremely political to the point they will kill each other over it, and its really funny

[arctic talon]

Death is

A political shitstorm

[storm jungle]

Bro you die and Nagash turns you into a ghoul that suffers forever

why?

YOU WERE A DOCTOR

[arctic talon]

It’s like the imperium

[storm jungle]

YOU PREVENTED PEOPLE FROM DYING

[arctic talon]

But worse

And funnier

[green loom]

It's Maldraxxus from World of Warcraft: Shadowlands

[arctic talon]

Also the greeting of “the living are revolting”

Is pretty funny

Since it’s got a double meaning

[storm jungle]

Bro

even in death he still writes essays

yee yee ass jack skeleton mfer

[green loom]

Me when I die

[crimson kayak]

Damn aos mini's are cool

[celest dome]

Even in death, taxes have to be filed

[storm jungle]

AoS minis are SUPERB

[crimson kayak]

Idk why I still haven't used anything from it as reference

[storm jungle]

we got a new reveal where its a city guard on a watchtower attached t othe back of an ogre

[arctic talon]

Nagash is such an asshole

I love him

[celest dome]

Ye, except the 1st round of Stormguard

[storm jungle]

Yep

[green loom]

40k if it was allowed to be wackier

[celest dome]

And the Fyreslayer

I dislike those

[storm jungle]

i think its mostly because iirc a lot of the more "expert" mini makers are in the AOS department

[rose thorn]

i understand why, but they are my favorite order faction so ill sadly have to disagree

[arctic talon]

Fyreslayer suck

I will stab anyone who disagrees with me

[storm jungle]

Fyreslayers literally got 1 gimmick

[crimson kayak]

Tbh i kinda fell in love with the flying dwarfs, but that's cause I just love fantasy tech in comparison to sci fi tech

[celest dome]

I dislike loin clothes

[storm jungle]

oh yeah

Kharadrons are GIGACHAD

[green loom]

I imagine if they're on 40k 90% of what they do is just dishing out marine edits

[storm jungle]

like they are what i wish the votann were

[arctic talon]

Tbh they make mostly marines

Bcs of how many goddamn marine hobbiers there are

That buy up product

[rose thorn]

they are a merc company of monster hunting barbarian dwarves who eat pieces of their dead god to get powers

[storm jungle]

Yeah AOS doesnt have that issue, in 40k marines are always the dominant best-selling faction.

[arctic talon]

Players is wrong bcs

[storm jungle]

so the balance is non-existant

[arctic talon]

70% of people who buy minis

[crimson kayak]

I also find it funny that no matter if underground or in the sky, they still manage to fucking beef with the skaven

[arctic talon]

Don’t use them on the tabletop

Most people just buy them to paint and build

[arctic talon]

Everyone hates the skaven

Even the skaven hate the skaven

[green loom]

That's what I want to do since I can't play irl

[echo vault]

They're just a lil simplistic, its a good idea but they need to keep doing it

Like a super slayer cult more than it was in fantasy

super saiyan dwarf slayers

[green loom]

They need a duardin faction to back them/flesh them out

[echo vault]

Thats been the kharadon

and they're ok

but there isn't much dwarfy so yeah

i agree

[celest dome]

I liked most of the Karak Kadrin list except Malakai
Failure of an Engineer
Failure of a Slayer

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crimson kayak]

Ye but I find it ironic consider the particular rivalry between skaven and dwarfs

[arctic talon]

My favorite AoS like mini isn’t even a mini tbh

It’s a goddamn piece of terrain

[storm jungle]

god

bone-tithe moment

[crimson kayak]

And not even going to the fucking sky could stop it

[arctic talon]

Pay it

Now

[green loom]

Or else

[storm jungle]

YOU SHOULD HAND ME YOUR BONES

NOW.

[arctic talon]

PAY THE TITHE

[green loom]

Also post Katakhros

40k gamers WISH they could be that baller

[storm jungle]

Katakros is legit one of the best warhammer minis in the last few years i think

[echo vault]

I wanna make a stormhost that REALLY hates beastmen/flesh eater courts/kruleboyz like immense hatred you've never seen, since most of their members are people who were innocent and killed by beastmen in the world that was/mortal realms

[arctic talon]

Tbh I like mechanicus minis bcs they’re usually decently creative

It’s also why I have like

Prolly the most lol

Second most are eldar

[green loom]

That's just normal stormcast

[echo vault]

Just more intense

[storm jungle]

That reminds me of a story where some stormcast kill innocent beastmen herds who didnt want to hurt anyone before that act drives them into the worship of tzeentch

[arctic talon]

Should have been born the right race - stormcast

[storm jungle]

NOOOO

[rose thorn]

BONES TAXES

[green loom]

Compare this to the silent king lmao

[echo vault]

Just a horde of soft brass metallic soldiers, instead of the normal heads it'd be a bit scarier, skulls and faces from people in their last stand, chanting songs from as old as the world it was. They just hate it more than the usual stormcast, plus I imagine their leader Lord castellan or whatever, brutally pulling horns and limbs from beastmen leaders with gauntlets/their bare hands

[green loom]

Guy gets hyped up like crazy
And he's just regular necron with a big head

Meanwhile Katakros gets a fucking diorama

[green loom]

With BONE samurais

And BONEtax officials

[echo vault]

how big is a stormcast? like same as space marines?

[rose thorn]

i love this model btw, my favorite part of cities is the interesting coporation of a bunch of species

[arctic talon]

Bit smaller

[celest dome]

They are closer to human size
Like tall for human, but still in the normal heights

[arctic talon]

^

Except for the elite ones iirc

[echo vault]

I was just thinking of them being a bit larger than even like a wargor just for intimidation factor, since they're not human at all (less human than a stormcast is considered due to being spirits)

[rose thorn]

it makes compelete sense to mount a sniper onto a giant goliath who can take several sniper shots

[storm jungle]

that chart is the most accurate one as per lore

[rose thorn]

i wanna see elves with guns

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

regular stormcasts can be around human/marine size

[arctic talon]

Soon

[echo vault]

magic guns

[storm jungle]

the elite casts get very big

like Annihilators

[echo vault]

How big is the lord castellan guy, who's like a rank above celestant

[arctic talon]

Large

[storm jungle]

That guy is marine size yeah

[arctic talon]

Also he’s totally not Karl Franz

[echo vault]

ok good, good good

No thats the celestant prime

[arctic talon]

Wait fuck

Ur right

[echo vault]

Let me help clarify

[arctic talon]

All the AoS stormcast ranks sound the same

[echo vault]

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/stormcast-eternals-lord-commander-bastian-carthalos-2021

this guy

[rose thorn]

give an elf a gun for the funnies
they fire a shot, misses
"ha, elf doenst know how to use black powd-"
bullet proceeds to some how hit all 12 cans at once and land in my mouth

[storm jungle]

yeah that guy is big af

[arctic talon]

That guy is bigger then a marine irl

In mini scale

[crimson kayak]

Only thing I don't like about kharadons are the goofy ass baloon flying troops

[storm jungle]

to be fair

metal balloons dont look that bad

[echo vault]

I just want a big motherfucker that uses a spear and their bare hands (energized with magic) to pulverize the enemies of the world into a very fine meaty paste, plus i'm imagining their host being more like a horde instead of being bolted down by sigmar tossing a thing of lightning, they could even burst out of herdstones, people like a teleportation accident

[rose thorn]

if the brother hood of steel can do it space dwarves can do it

[echo vault]

imagine being a flesh court leader you're at your big banquet with all your human eating bros

and you turn around and come back and the entire table is now staffed by stormcast sitting in what remains of your friends

[rose thorn]

also im so excited for the flesh eater refresh

[echo vault]

in their chairs

[rose thorn]

they have been teasing it forever

[echo vault]

the vampires in general need improved models they're really timeless and good but they need an update

especially the ghouls/horrors

[green loom]

"7'12 professor badass"

[arctic talon]

I forgot in what city in AoS but there’s a cult that always invites a stormcast to when they finish building their new lair

And then a few months later the stormcast burn the whole thing down

And it keeps on happening

[echo vault]

thats funny

[crimson kayak]

They don't but tbh I don't like the fact they are almost as big as the dwarf itself

[echo vault]

one of the stormcast recognizes the guy giving the tour and is like wait aren't you the guy who?

I know hammerhall, anvilguard (Har kuron) and settlers gain

mostly cause I'm doing a lumineth army

[crimson kayak]

I know almost nothing tbh

[green loom]

Test

Weird

Not letting me send an image

[crimson kayak]

Strange

Let me try

Works for me

[green loom]

Must be my internet having a fit

[celest dome]

I still can

[storm jungle]

Flash mission?

hold up-

[celest dome]

You see nothing boss

[echo vault]

In AoS terms wtf is a godbeast

[green loom]

It's a super mega primal abomination

Usually very magical

And massive

[celest dome]

Basically there are those 8 winds of magic. Each of those winds have a Godbeast with it

[echo vault]

Because I wanna make one that doubted the motivation of some godbeasts for a second and got brutally ripped apart and killed for it, and the essence from their body (Blood) was taken by sigmar to be shaped into a creation of azyr

like we're talking day of the dead

[celest dome]

Make one what ?

[echo vault]

lesser god beast

like something not too op

[celest dome]

Oh so a lesser Godbeast that was used as material for Stormguards ?

[echo vault]

Could be lots of things, made into a stormhost leader, given to the lumineth, really I like that idea too

Like a sickly blackish bronze with silver stormhost

[celest dome]

The mind being used would be strange (Though Homebrew and all that), but it's material would easily make sense for that

[echo vault]

ok cool, i just didn't want to have this interpreted like "Yo look at my fursona in AoS!!!!!" swag

[storm jungle]

[echo vault]

bazinga

i said the f word

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

Timed out for a year

[echo vault]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-gif-26527456

[storm jungle]

~~this is where id give a 60s time out for a joke but im not gonna be that rude ~~

[celest dome]

Would it be counted in the 3 time out ?

[echo vault]

rekt by the darktide mods 😭

[celest dome]

Still am at 0 👼

[storm jungle]

inb4 you get timed out by that one text bot for spamming

💀

[crimson kayak]

So, is there anything other than the two models to look into the electropriest and motive force powered stuff?

Cause I was gonna do a redesign of the star dragons and I wanted to make them motive force themed

[celest dome]

Negavolt Cultist ?

They are essentially Chaos Electro Monks

[arctic talon]

Negavolt cultists are chaos fulgarites