40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

like so many clones die in very painful ways

[brittle nebula]

Oooh I remember that dude. He deserved that

[crystal forum]

then all main characters straight up run into incoming fire constantly and never get hit lol

[craggy isle]

i have not watched that clone wars series

[brittle nebula]

Zombie Geonotions…

[crystal forum]

if you do, keep in mind the first seasons were very much a kids show so villains constantly get away

[storm jungle]

^

the more the show progresses the more badass and great it gets

also they had to do stupid shit like uh

how Anakin and Grievous never met until the prequel movie

so they can NEVER meet in the show

[brittle nebula]

It’s so sad

It would have been an amazing fight

[crystal forum]

they really overused grievous in the first seasons

[storm jungle]

hes literally a decepticon so that checks out

[brittle nebula]

That’s an understatement

[storm jungle]

[VIOLENT COUGH]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-grievous-general-grievous-clone-wars-pain-gif-24898851

[brittle nebula]

Man I wish he was badass like he was in that old version

So much lost potential making him a “coward” character

[crystal forum]

i don't think they expected the show to have adult fans lol

[brittle nebula]

Perhaps

[crystal forum]

god that episode with the assassin droid killing clones in the dark

[crimson kayak]

Basically they use the process of laser weapon firing to heat up the gas that then gets inducted magnetically into the barrel and out of the gun, the magnetic field created keeps the plasma/charged particles together into the usual "bolt" shape

[crystal forum]

this show was so fucked up

[brittle nebula]

And fun

[crimson kayak]

Tl:Dr, blasters are all sci fi guns rolled into a single one

[crystal forum]

i'll never care at all about the realism of laser guns

sci fi doesn't need explanations

[brittle nebula]

I just need action and death

[crimson kayak]

This tbh

Just went for the best explanation given the description

[crystal forum]

it's like fantasy lovers who try to apply realisic historical context to the genre. sure it's great when done in its own bubble but trying to do it in clearly made up settings is pointless

back in the day people made up shit all the time and nobody tried to apply realism. you think isaac asimov had people criticizing him for his unrealistic depiction of robots? no, the story is the main point

[brittle nebula]

I’ve been writing a book and I have found that I have explained little to nothing about both magic and or tech. I just let the names explain them.

[summer rover]

warhammer's the wrong place to say that, WFB's main draw is that it's the realistically stupid political stuff.

[crystal forum]

im talking about the technology not the politics

[summer rover]

honestly most of the tech has a historical context too. aside from skaven, who are using magic super uranium for everything.

[crystal forum]

oh you meant warhammer fantasy

[green loom]

WFB = Warhammer Fantasy Battles

[crystal forum]

ah

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/ratling-guns-total-war-warhammer-skaven-warhammer-total-war-gif-15796051

[arctic talon]

some of the skaven guns vaugely resemble irl ones

[summer rover]

40k's tech is 98% termanology stolen from other sci-fi books of the era so the realism tends to be all over the place.

[brittle nebula]

Ratling gun for instance

[arctic talon]

I was gona say the Jezzail

[crystal forum]

stolen is a big word

[summer rover]

like plasma have a strictly defined mechanism that was reasonable from 80s understanding, but then you had meltaguns which-

melta'd.

[brittle nebula]

He’s not wrong though

[brittle nebula]

Lol I forgot about those buggers

[summer rover]

stolen from araby and "improved" with warpstone alloys/powder.

which is what skaven do best

[crystal forum]

the main thing i dislike about fantasy is the borderline racist depiction of some areas

but it was made in a different time so whatever

[arctic talon]

Tbh modern depictions of fantasy are better

Then the original ones

nippon

[crystal forum]

the moment i saw the wiki image of the ogre kingdom i nearly died laughing

[brittle nebula]

British pubs irl lol

[celest dome]

Wasn't it retconned to be stolen from Cathay now ?

[crystal forum]

im glad that 40k made an attempt to dissociate itself with clear cut historical references

[summer rover]

the skaven tend to lie about things both ways. they might not know which one is which.....

[summer rover]

gazkull mag uk thraka

[brittle nebula]

I mean after the dark age of technology little to nothing remained of any human history

[summer rover]

it was the only way for the big E to hide all his cringe polititcal manifestos

[brittle nebula]

Lol perhaps

[crystal forum]

it's a fantasy sci fi setting made in the last 40 years. it's not its own world isolated from our own

sci fi writers trying not to create a story about an empire and failing

[brittle nebula]

I mean it’s set several millennia in the future it might as well be.

[crystal forum]

so is 40k its own completely isolated intellectual work created from scratch or does it steal ideas all the time

at this point im confused

[brittle nebula]

It does but it’s not entirely made of “copies” of other ideas

It was heavily influenced by the Dune books though. Compare the lore and you will see many very interesting similarities.

[crystal forum]

I'm just saying almost everything was once inspired by real events. in an indirect way 40k cannot be completely original from ourselves

40k at least tries to not make it blatantly obvious

[brittle nebula]

Name an event in 40k that is inspired by our own. I’m curious I cannot think of anything

[summer rover]

it steals things, but makes them different enough it isn't stealing. most of the time.

[crystal forum]

that's what i've been trying to say, you can't directly say something in 40k was inspired by a historical event with 100% certainty

star wars movies for example make it a lot more obvious but still not clear cut

[summer rover]

the tau empire being created through abandoned war materials from a larger country and developing into a pseudo-communist empire with deulsions of divine right mirriors the CCP pretty closely

[crimson kayak]

wait what abandoned war materials?

[brittle nebula]

The tau developed when the Etherials appeared. I don’t remember ever hearing of any abandoned war materials

[crimson kayak]

tau had a warp storm then popped out advanced

[crystal forum]

i didn't know you could build a country with spare rifles

[brittle nebula]

Exactly

[mighty osprey]

in broad strokes fiction can’t really escape the influence of reality because we all live on earth in certain political and social environments that shape how we see the world and thus that shapes the messages, settings, politics, and p much everything we write, especially in media like 40k that’s v political in its story and themes

sent that a bit late but. you get my drift

[crystal forum]

i think it's more political than historical

[brittle nebula]

How so?

[crystal forum]

political ideas can be vague and somewhat detached to their historical settings if you just look at their ideological roots

[mighty osprey]

i think it’s fairly transparent that it’s meant to be a political allegory on the base level

[summer rover]

spare rifles and suckers. you need a lotta suckers for a populist revolution, because people need to die.

[crystal forum]

I didn't know america was founded by suckers

[brittle nebula]

Not back then but now it might as well have

[summer rover]

you can't compare china to america in terms of founding,

[crystal forum]

you said populist revolution

[summer rover]

america wasn't a populist revolution, they didn't have a populist leader.

[crystal forum]

then what was it

[summer rover]

socialist revolution, honestly.

[crystal forum]

socialism wasn't even an idea for another 10 or so years when the French revolted

the american revolution was entirely based around kicking out the perceived wealthy british elite

you know, the world power at the time

[brittle nebula]

It wasn’t perceived they were wealth elitist. No taxation without representation and such

[summer rover]

yeah, because they were being oppressed and wanted freedom from a crushing tax system. it might not be formally socalist, but the ideals are very much that.

[crystal forum]

i said perceived as some of the revolutionary leaders were also wealthy. populism is frequently lead by people who aren't part of the class they're trying to appeal to

[summer rover]

they wanted to be the ones to benifit from their labor, and fought for it. the academic essays might not have been written yet, but academia is always slow politically.

some of the revolutionary leaders were wealthy once the revolutionary war had kicked off. up to that point they were still mostly beholden to british trading controls and were mostly in debt from unfair practices.

[crystal forum]

you might be mixing up ideologies if you believe socialism would be against taxes

[summer rover]

against unfair taxes, you carpetbagger.

you can't just ignore the purpose of taxes in alleviating the burden of society on the poor with a "Taxes bad".

[crystal forum]

explain to me what socialism is so we're on the same page here

[summer rover]

well you can, if you're an authoritarian. but watch out!...

[crystal forum]

can we not turn this into a political argument

[summer rover]

this was a political argument from the beginning, jannie.

[crystal forum]

stating basic definitions isn't political

[summer rover]

stating basic political definitions is always political.

that's like 90% of political arguments.

[terse flume]

liberal revolution would be the term you want. it's very difficult to get into any meaningful depth without breaking the existing no politics rules, but a meaningful divide is that liberal revolutions tend to retain existing power structures and social dynamics with new leaders, underlying ideological construction (so in this case traditional monarchy to a liberal republic) but foundationally retaining the same character. a social revolution, which almost but not quite by definition a socialist one would be, wants to somehow undo and reset these relations via whatever mechanism. i use these terms neutrally, please don't confuse with like, the american construction of liberalism, i mean in the classical sense

[summer rover]

well your reply wasn't word salad so i don't see how it would be confused with american liberalism.

[crystal forum]

god i remember trying to learn about liberalism in philosophy class. such a complicated thing

[terse flume]

america is usually categorized as a liberal revolution, while something like hati would be considered a social revolution

[summer rover]

start with france, starting with american liberalism is just asking to confuse yourself.

[terse flume]

if you wanna learn more i highly reccomend revolutions by mike duncan

S class series, legit

[summer rover]

america plays Very loosely with the terms "liberal" and "conservative" so you more or less need a whole seperate book for them from the rest of the world.

mike duncan is a good guy to learn from.

[crystal forum]

i was about to say only american grifters make definitions a political issue

[summer rover]

woulda been the wrongest thing you ever said.

[terse flume]

who could imagine socialists arguing over if they are or are not socialists. mass hysteria

[summer rover]

so the average tuesday for socalists

[crystal forum]

i've rarely seen that actually. it's mostly about whether the other group is socialist enough

[summer rover]

just ask them how they know they're the socialists in the argument. you'll see it.

also be careful you're ready to duck, most of 'em like throwin' stuff when they have that argument

[crystal forum]

these days they just create a ton of different ones. like crypto-communist marxist socialism

[summer rover]

those are libertarians.

[crystal forum]

libertarianism is boomers complaining about not making enough money

[summer rover]

you can tell because only libertarians have any interest in putting cryptocurrency into politics.

i think you should go learn from non-social media sources.

[terse flume]

crypto-communist marxism is an amusing phrase, yeah. that's like, being marxists to hide how you are secretly a communist

[crystal forum]

no crypto-something is a funny term that people actually use. it's like somewhat believing in said something but not making it the main ideology. idk it's all very vague

[terse flume]

it means holding some beleif but presenting as if you didn't beleive that thing for whatever rhetorical reason

it's also something people use as a pejorative a lot

so when a crypto bro tries to get an artist to sign on to NFTs by pretending to not know anything and just go oh man i heard about this cool new technology! you could call them a crypto libertarian in a few ways

[summer rover]

it's also something libertarians tack onto whatever they're trying to be that week, since it's pretty much meaningless but sounds cool.

[crystal forum]

young people who want regulations removed call themselves ancap and it's even funnier

[summer rover]

anyone calling themselves ancap is a joke.

[crystal forum]

yet somehow people do apparently. i need to find one because i've never seen any

[summer rover]

go to the REALLY poor places, that's where they are.

[crystal forum]

naaaah they're all in college studying economics or some shit

[summer rover]

not the working poor, the "i get my income skimming off tax breaks for the job i'm losing money on".

[crystal forum]

ah true

going to college to learn why line go up is still funny to me

[summer rover]

people that think they're off the grid.

[crystal forum]

then all the loyalists went to pre-Canada to ruin that area

[summer rover]

canada was going pretty damn well at that point, really.

[crystal forum]

ruin as in bring over the british colonialist mentality to it

[rose thorn]

The deathwatch is just a British museum

[summer rover]

i mean-

[terse flume]

having an arbitrary amount of natural resources is pretty good

[crystal forum]

it wasn't even a british colony 30 years earlier

by the american revolution it was a bunch of french colonists who'd been living there for a while being oppressed by the brits

not to mention the aboriginals

loyalists went over to colonize the mostly "empty" lands of what is now ontario and upper canada, i believe

[summer rover]

i repeat, please learn history from non-social media sources. go check some books out at your library or something.

you are wrong in so many places it would just be derailing the whole channel to correct you.

[crystal forum]

also annoyingly enough "upper canada" was south of lower canada

[summer rover]

would you have preferred "taller canada"?

[crystal forum]

it's just annoying to remember in history class

the non social media history classes i got about this

[summer rover]

canada and canada minor.

[terse flume]

it's complicated! everything is complicated

[summer rover]

fritoes aren't complicated! corn, corn oil, salt.

[terse flume]

fuck me i miss fritos

i found them where i was living in canada one time

[summer rover]

fritos are the perfect snack chip i think.

[terse flume]

they're like superior nachos

crunchier, and better at carrying things

[summer rover]

like vanilla ice cream, they're so simple and all-encompassing people overlook them.

[crystal forum]

"Upper Canada was the primary destination of Loyalist refugees and settlers from the United States after the American Revolution, who often were granted land to settle in Upper Canada. Already populated by Indigenous peoples, land for settlement in Upper Canada was made by treaties between the new British government and the Indigenous, exchanging land for one-time payments or annuities."

[summer rover]

was there any part of the british empire not built on shady contracts?

[terse flume]

of course not, lol

whatever happens we have got, the maxim gun and they do not

[crystal forum]

then a couple of decades later the white house was set on fire because history is funnier than fiction

[terse flume]

well, because the british government couldn't meaningfully retake their american colonies and had much more urgent problems, but wanted to communicate that really it was because we were too busy. standard empire nonsense

1812 being remembered by canadian nationalists has always been a little iffy for that reason

[crystal forum]

it was never really a canada vs america war. Canadians as a concept barely existed

it was british using canada as a staging point

[terse flume]

here's a twist for you:

canada as a national concept still barely exists, haha

like, when the international perspective on canada, you know, polite, like hockey and beer, smug sense of superiority

[crystal forum]

i define it as "the non american part of north america"

[terse flume]

that's a very specific kind of canadian, the majority of which live within a few hours of the american border in ontario

the rest of canada is very different, but you barely see that on the export culture

[crystal forum]

nah it's all pretty much like that

you have rural canadians, urban canadians and maritime canadians

and french canadians

they all dislike eachother in different degrees

if you live anywhere between british columbia and ontario, you're rural

[terse flume]

there are like

okay bare minimum three off the top of my head groups of people who call themselves french canadians, lol

[crystal forum]

there's only one that has any statistical relevence

[summer rover]

now you're just trusting a census not to lie.

[terse flume]

nah the new brunswick francophonic enclave population is pretty significant, but three's also a massive divide within the primary quebecouis population between rural and urban, ethnicities etc

like metis alone

[crystal forum]

no i mean there's only one group of french canadians who actually comprise millions of people lol

[terse flume]

the francophonic minority is pretty wide spread out. there were french language radio stations when i lived in iqaluit, we jokingly used to call the citywide booze bootleggers the french taxi mafia

of course french is only one of canada's official languages

[crystal forum]

there's a bunch of francophone enclaves in canada but all of them are more french than canadian

like literal french

from France

[terse flume]

they're very montreal i'd say. also lol so french people do not like, conceptualize the quebecois that way, haha

[crystal forum]

explain to me, it's not like i've been living here for almost my whole life

[terse flume]

in france or quebec?

[crystal forum]

Quebec

[terse flume]

i would broadly say that most french conceptualizations of quebecois is a little bit provincial? i know the language policing was at one point considered extreme although i think french cultural standards have shifted there a little. very religious? the sort of broad anticlericalism of french soceity manifested differently i'd obvserve. but that's about as far as i'd go as an outsider who has visited both

they definitely do not see them as being more french than the french tho

[crystal forum]

it would take me 3 hours to explain the agnostic culture in depth lol. it's a very different and unrelated situation to French history. keep in mind after the english took over new france (the french colony) our history basically completely severed from France.

Quebecois is french canadian. I'm sorry to the other french speakers in the country but this province is the one with the distinct culture that has evolved for hundreds of years instead of a directly French one. You can see a similar culture in the cajun areas of the US but it was almost completely assimilated into american culture due to schools trying to exterminate it.

The agnostic state idea came about in the 60's due to how much control the catholic church had over the province before that. Maurice Duplessi for example, a notorious premier for his use of the church as a state tool, was a very authoritarian kind of guy that left a bad taste in the mouth of the population

in the 60's something happened where american cultural movements inspired the Quebec population to go against the church's involvement in the state. it was a big thing in the province's history that's called the quiet revolution, it lead to a near fanatical hatred of anything religious associated with the government

these days boomers are very anti religious when it comes to the government, which is a very unique thing in north america. young people are more lenient on the issue, which has recently caused some political divides

it has caused some issues recently. A law came into place banning any religious symbols on public workers, including bus drivers. This stops many religious people from working in these sectors due to religions that make wearing certain things mandatory

hint: most of these people aren't christians

[crystal forum]

dick gun

[queen laurel]

Ah god breaker, a titan that every mek would want to surpass

[crimson kayak]

always found it funny that the Ordinatus Armageddon literally was just Big ship plasma gun on land

[celest dome]

That's basically all the Ordinatuses no ?

[crimson kayak]

usually they have "big gun" but also usually it's something you don't see mounted elsewhere

Oberon literally was just a ship's plasma cannon on land

[crimson kayak]

well, it and the Ullanor, but the ullanor was a last chance effort and had to fight stuff much bigger than Godbreaker

meanwhile you get stuff like Golgotha that fires acid-virus nukes, malamuria with it's graviton weapon or hell, Gehenna that could level mountains and punch a hole to the magma layers of a planet

ill be honest i would prefer much more a Blacktone Fortress/Gallowdark situation, leaving the freedom of being able to throw literally anything from 40k in there and still be cool without having to depict your big ass warzone with 10 years of vfx work for a 5 seconds scene.

[rain tusk]

Yeah, I'd look forward to a blackstone fortress adaptation. Would keep it on a reasonable scale and gives them the option to include about anything from the 40k verse

[arctic talon]

A BSF adaptation would be very fun

the only faction not present there is like

nids and tau(sorta)

[rose thorn]

Imagine working a 9-5 job in commoragh

I know there’s a form of eldar torture where you force them to do mundane shit

But like ‘aw fuck I’m 5 minutes late to this stocks meeting. My boss is gonna have my skin’

[storm jungle]

Literally

[rose thorn]

If you park at a parking meter, do you just chain your slaves to it as fee?

Grocery shopping

Buy an apple, shove some slaves in the money hole while you complain about inflation

[arctic talon]

Putting together guns

[rose thorn]

‘Today I will make this slave build guns!’

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-realization-stare-smile-to-frown-frown-gif-20532658

I love kabal of the obsidian rose

[echo vault]

if you like dark eldar technology you'd like the chaos dwarfs, they enslave demons into robots and have similar morals about slaves

just with less skin flaying but more dumping a shit ton of orks and goblins into an active workshop fire to summon fire demons

an eternal liveleak video

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah I checked them out, but that’s old world and old world is

[echo vault]

They exist in AoS

[rose thorn]

The forge world semy

[echo vault]

They got a whole rules book by forge world

[rose thorn]

Army*

[echo vault]

Yeah

That's the main issue, forge world, I mean even before all their models went off sale thats forge world resin

and that stuff sucks

[rose thorn]

Yeah lol

[echo vault]

but I think Drazoath is alive in AoS

He took out his rivals I think he deserved it

There needs to be more absolutely insane stormcast mechanized vehicles, just like get the grom from kislev but have it be pulled by griffons

[green loom]

Ok but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTFywoAXuQU&ab_channel=GameSpot

[echo vault]

and its both styles of chorf too!

[rose thorn]

I don’t tww 3

Don’t own

[echo vault]

pirate

you weenie linguini

[rose thorn]

I am working on a priate themed soul blight army to 3d print

[echo vault]

pirate total war 3 with all the dlc and also make your pirate soulblight army

[rose thorn]

I just need to buy the stls

[echo vault]

pirateception on their asses

[crimson kayak]

i mean, im still waiting to see models for Ikrit's creations, atleast those appeared once already lol

[echo vault]

I want both, I mean the dark elves own a huge city in the realm of heavens now (Anvilgard)

So a stormcast vs dark elves just bringing fuck you siege weaponry would be cool

refined rat ogres

[storm jungle]

Anvilgard was just a case of a LITTLE bit of trolling

[green loom]

Anvilgard is in the fire realm

Aqshy

Azyr is the realm of heavens

Most of the cities are split between Aqshy and Ghyran, which is why she could do what she did

If she tried it in Sigmar's backyard, it'd be much harder to disguise

[echo vault]

oops

Look I almost said hammerhall was taken by the dark elves

that would've been an insane feat to pull off

[green loom]

Not only are both hammerhal Aqshy and Ghyran massive, they're also the same city
In 2 realms

[crimson kayak]

yeah like, Ikrit's made fantasy skitarii and dreadnoughts, hell, without counting him in particular clan Skrye alone has submarines and an entire air armada and if im not mistaken they also have a siege machine that saps the life out of the very ground

like, they should be closer looking to the Kharadron now more than their old world counterpart gw still sells

[echo vault]

the skaven do that by default, and I think you can see those boats at the end of karak azgaraz

although thats boats not submarines

[crimson kayak]

that's the point lol

[echo vault]

they do go underwater (were destroyed) though

So ikrit is now like a cybernetic skaven, skaven iron rat

[crimson kayak]

yeah the titanic was indeed a really good submarine after hitting that iceberg

[crimson kayak]

we should see on his next appearance, now that ||he became a Skaven Stormcast||

[echo vault]

ratcast

[crimson kayak]

but ye, he basically became a mechanicum member to survive the literal apocalypse

[echo vault]

I think being too angry to die is a good motivation for coming back in aos

I expect grimgor to return to AoS solely out of pure anger, and skarsnik because the writers forgot about him he'll just like phase into existence in some gloomspite cavern like he respawned

[green loom]

Gloomspite are just a faction of skarsniks tbf

[echo vault]

It'll be like node graph out of date the world freezes for a second and he just phases in

skarnsik and the skarsniks, and kragnos

kragnos could be skarsniks new gobbla (unwillingly though)

[crimson kayak]

looking back at Hamilcar's book funny how they briefly mention Settra becoming a stormcast

[echo vault]

That guy is settrus

[arctic talon]

It’s not settra

Prolly

[echo vault]

mannfred said if settrus was actually settra mannfred would have already been murdered in some horrible way

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crimson kayak]

ah yes-yes, totally different, Settrus the leader of the Imperishables

[arctic talon]

Also true

[arctic talon]

Have you considered namea can be similar and referential

Also he was confirmed

[echo vault]

In 'Hamilcar: Age of Enlightenment' Mannfred, the Mortarch of Night, fights Settrus, and is momentarily afraid of him, but quickly announces that this is a deception:

"You lie, thief. You are not the King whose name you bear! If you were he, I would be slain already."

[arctic talon]

To not be settra by the author lol

[crimson kayak]

uh, didn't read that one

[echo vault]

it was a short story

[arctic talon]

Also settrus is like

Mega dead now iirc

[green loom]

Maybe Sigmar is just the average 40k homebrewer and just messes around with names to make quick filler groups

[copper slate]

Back on my Warframe/Warhammer 40k idea!
Garuda totally gets confused for a Unique Khornite Daemon.

[rose thorn]

hey what the hell is the advantage of power sytches

like

why

to cut wheat better

[arctic talon]

None

they look cool

Sycthes suck as weapons

[crimson kayak]

same reason of 80% of power weapons, none

technically speaking, any power weapon other than a bonking stick doesn't give advantages to just having a power bonker

[arctic talon]

^

[remote fable]

The dark mechanicus will be skaven stand-in

except replace every time they say "rat" with "machine"

their god, the great horned rat machine (vashtorr)

[desert dust]

I thought power weapons where super OP since they just ignore armor and can't be parried by anything so you can slice up a tank or chain blade.

[crystal forum]

sir this is a Wendy's

[arctic talon]

I mean they can

But you can also just use a power stick

Instead of a power sword

And they’ll perform about the same

[desert dust]

Yeah but it's kinda like why swords are everywhere in melee combat but the best melee weapons though out all history are pointy sticks.
Ones cooler than the other

[arctic talon]

Power mauls are class

[desert dust]

Got to look flashy in your 4 billion dollar power armor

[arctic talon]

This is why admech is based for liking polearms and blunt force trauma weapons

[desert dust]

Yeah power polearms with guns on the end are great

[brittle falcon]

Anybody have a summary of Darktide lore? More specifically, the background of each of the personalities, why they were imprisoned, and so on?

[summer rover]

you make that part yourself!

-they save it but they don't have any way for you to access it

[brittle falcon]

Yeh. Was hoping for some kind of wiki or compendium that might've collated some of the quotes to get an idea. Appreciate it all the same.

[summer rover]

you can just make and delete a few characters and screenwhot the options. woulda thought the wiki did that already.

[terse flume]

well, it's deceptive because whatever you write doesn't actually influence like, the lines of dialouge that describe your specific personality. there is i think some influence based on your decisions but not a ton, most of it is just assigned to the voice

like the judge is a former cop, the agitator a huge racist, the fanatic fucking crazy, etc

[arctic talon]

The agitator also burned down a hab block

[celest cedar]

And A Practicing Flagellant Too!

[terse flume]

i think the fanatic burned down the hab block

the agitator is very sadomasochistic

both ways, actually. enjoys toruring themselves and other people

[celest cedar]

Oh Agitator Is Most Definitely A Sadomasochistic. Hearing Their. Say, Enjoyment In The Slaughter. Pretty Terrifying.

[crisp heath]

The Horus Heresy is the exact same as the Iliad

the Iliad, Odyssey, and Aeneid are the only 3 epics that survive of a 14 epic series, each epic divided into over a dozen books. At least 10 authors are believed to be involved in the creation of these books, and each one was considered increasingly worse than the one before it, hence why only 3 survived. It also has giant men punching each other.

[terse flume]

gets genuine religious and i would say extremely sexually toned ecstasy at moments of intense battle, like proper sadistic glee mixed with rapture and mania. it's sweet

[crisp heath]

In 2,000 years there will be academic articles with titles like "reconstructing "Deliverance Lost" from the Birmingham Fragments" and "The Cultural Legacy of Prospero Burns". It will be universally agreed that the Horus Heresy series was certainly written by the British.

[plush mason]

so wasnt a dragon involved in Sigmar's ascension to king of the gods in AoS?

[celest dome]

somewhat

https://ageofsigmar.fandom.com/wiki/Dracothion

That one

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkFjp2anJXU i assume that is part of why the stormcast ride drakes

[celest dome]

Think so, though not all Draconic creatures are alligned with it

[plush mason]

makes sense

[celest dome]

That game is gonna start with 4 race right ?

[plush mason]

yeah

[queen laurel]

speaking of aos orruks are pretty much still genetically accurate to warhammer 40K orks Right?

[plush mason]

i dont think they have revealed the other 2 yet tho

[queen laurel]

They are still fungus they still grow after winning fights

[celest dome]

Order: Stormcast
Dest: Crule Boys
Death: Maybe Ossiarch
Chaos: ?

[celest dome]

yes, think so

[plush mason]

im expecting nurgle for chaos tbh

[celest dome]

Hope not, though it would make sense with Ghur

[plush mason]

its set in a swamp

[celest dome]

Are the maps only gonna be on Ghur though

[plush mason]

idk

there may be more

[celest dome]

I want to see Aqshy, and maybe Chamon

[queen laurel]

wasn't there another strategy aos game that already has nurgle

[celest dome]

The Turn based one

Stormground ?

[plush mason]

its a rogue like and its dead

full on abandonware

but i hope the death faction in realms of ruin is ether nighthaunt or ossiarch

[celest dome]

Not like anybody wanted/needed that game

Like AoS isn't bad, I like the potential of it.
But damn do I hate seeing warhammer getting 60% turn based game

[plush mason]

realms of ruin will be an rts so that will be a refreshing break from the tbs norm

[celest dome]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

The Summary is very surface because as others have said we dont know much about the game, Atoma Prime the planet itself has some lore on the lexicanum if you want to read it along with the Moebian 6th, but the general deal is that the regiment was recalled home (being the most elite fighting force of the sector) to deal with the local uprising of the Admonition Cult (the dregs you fight ingame) before launching a trojan horse attack and revealing they had switched sides and catching the entire planet by surprise, these were mostly made by rigged to blow trains judging from the trailers with chemical concoctions that turned a lot of the population of the lower hive into poxwalkers.

Now they are fully helping with the uprising alongside the cult and fighting globally around the planet, our missions are more spec ops related at hitting tactically important spots within the Hive while theres an active war going on in the other sides of the planet.

Most lore we got so far is that the Moebians and the Cult used the Water Cartel to take over most of the Underhive before betraying them alongside any other criminal organisation as well as that they had inside help from the Hive for the surprise invasion, very possibly by another noble house.

The general "lore" for the game gets revealed as we go even if its not too much, at the moment our job is to keep distrupting the Cult and the Moebians to give us an edge on the war, for now no help is coming due to the effects of the Great Rift on the Moebian Domain so we are completely alone.

[celest dome]

I think Chaos will get Slaves of Darkness, simple as that

[queen laurel]

I think it's mostly the part that a lot of people who like warhammer mainly play the strategy oriented tabletop game

[tropic olive]

Hello, I have a question regarding the 10th edition. The Imperium is being pushed back everywhere, the galaxy is divided in two, the daemon Primarchs are spawning more frequently, and the Tyranid Leviathan is pushing back the Imperium, attacking from all sides. Is it possible that we will soon have a Siege of Terra 2, with the Tyranids attacking Holy Terra in the coming years? Or is it impossible? Because I believe the situation of the Imperium is almost worse than during the Horus Heresy.

[celest dome]

Something attacking Terra yes, but Siege of Terra 2 would be the War of the Beast no ?

[tropic olive]

Oh yes, I didn't think about that.

[storm jungle]

We literally do not know

its entirely down to what GW wants to do

the Imperium can just score an entire victory out of nowhere due to plot armor

40k is a setting built upon excuses

[celest dome]

@plush mason Do you think the Sons of Behemat would make a good race for that game

[plush mason]

100% tho idk how well they would function in a swamp

[queen laurel]

If there will be a cover system forget hiding them

They are practically walking giant targets

[celest dome]

Forget using cover against them too, they'll just crush it too

[tropic olive]

It makes me sad because it's the truth

[storm jungle]

alas

[queen laurel]

Fairpoint

[plush mason]

a faction like the sons of behemat would be strange to play in an rts i feel

[storm jungle]

like if I said to people Primaris marines were coming before Gathering Storm everyone would call me crazy

but hey it happened

and the excuse we got was "uhhh they were under mars"

[stark cargo]

Personally, I don't think that Tyranids attacking Terra would make for that great a story.

[queen laurel]

Yeah you're basically pulling a dawn of war 2

[celest dome]

Tyr a pretty boring tbh

[queen laurel]

You have access to multiple powerful units not much in numbers

[plush mason]

yeah

[celest dome]

you mean with the Titans ? Or was athere a faction that only had titan sized stuff
Knight ?

[queen laurel]

I mean most of the campaign you are using powerful heroes barely any units most of the time

[plush mason]

no in dow2 you controlled a small force of highly elite blood ravens and not a full army

[stark cargo]

Also no idea how the shadow in the warp would interact with the astronomicon.

[storm jungle]

yeah in DoW3 you controll knight sized enemies

[queen laurel]

Not just blood Ravens but also practically every faction

[storm jungle]

so like, wraithknights, knights and the ork gargant

[plush mason]

didnt play the multiplayer much

[celest dome]

But not a whole faction composed of only that ?

[queen laurel]

Umm Aksually it was a morkanaut

[storm jungle]

[celest dome]

Also did we even see any building or unit production in that AoS game yet ?

[plush mason]

the knight hero chick was like the only good part of that game lol

[storm jungle]

im pretty sure we did

[storm jungle]

agreed lol

[green loom]

There's no base building

[queen laurel]

A lot of the things in that game is basically just visual flair

[green loom]

I know a guy, who knows a guy, and that's what they told me

[queen laurel]

All of the things look amazing

[celest dome]

How do you get units ?

[queen laurel]

But it's all graphics no gameplay

[storm jungle]

I just want a good AOS game

waaaaa

[queen laurel]

To be honest all I can see is just a Total War AOS game

[celest dome]

For Honour AoS would be accurate to lore and good

[storm jungle]

or a AoS Vermintide

[queen laurel]

hmm

[storm jungle]

which makes sense for the direction of a 3rd game

[green loom]

It looks like you have preplaced thingymabobs

[storm jungle]

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

I NEED BUILDINGS

[celest dome]

Then use Destruction, Skaven didn't really get much things new in AoS

[green loom]

Why does everyone want total war, not everything has to be a boring ass total war game that CA will fuck up

[celest dome]

Well that's much less interesting

I don't really want a VT3 tbh

[queen laurel]

I'm saying that's the only thing I can see I'm not saying that's what they should go for

The amount of Total War games is enough to probably slam myself into the concrete

[celest dome]

A Souls like in AoS would make sense with a Stormcast

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah they reincarnate

[green loom]

Wouldn't mind a Bioware esque RPG

[plush mason]

isnt there gona be a kind of TS style meta game in the campaign? where you use what you gain from each battle to improve your kit and warband?

[green loom]

Idk where you heard that

It'd be nice

[celest dome]

Sons of Icarus, but you play as a Kharadron
Monster hunter but you play as race/classes from the Order factions

Skaven Assassin Creed game would be pretty good too

[stark cargo]

Some Skyrim/Witcher style AoS game would be nice. Just explore the setting and ally with some of the factions.

[plush mason]

i guess i misremembered

[queen laurel]

Then it turns into fallout because you pick skaven

[plush mason]

tho the gameplay video from the offical channel does show that the battles are a bit like dow2's multiplayer lol

a single base and various resource points between them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIQvQfNF0I4

here they said that as you win you will unlock more and better units

[green loom]

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_vrrgPHpbU

@storm jungle btw they killed it with the stormcast commander at 0:17

[storm jungle]

Damn she looks good

love me big women 👀

[green loom]

They made the oldcast look great

I still can't believe prosecutors look good

Though I guess it helps the devs are actually competent and relatively successful

[plush mason]

yeah and her lines where great too, "death comes for everyone eventually, except us."

[storm jungle]

lmao

fucking owned

[green loom]

Her voice reminds me of Sienna almost

At least when she shouts

[queen laurel]

i might get this game if they add iron jawz

[green loom]

I assume they'll start dropping extra factions provided the game is successful

[plush mason]

its starting with 4 and if it does well enough more factions are almost sure to be added later

[queen laurel]

well I'll wait and see how the game plays out

[plush mason]

yeah

[queen laurel]

Can't be too cautious in modern day gaming

I mean look at blood bowl 3

I was really planning to get that one but damn they really brutalized it

[plush mason]

watching the dev livestream rn

well the recap of it due to having been 14 hours ago lol

[celest dome]

Did they give an ETA?

[plush mason]

idk but they did show that a open beta weekend will be happening on the 7th of July

[celest dome]

Nice, I hope we get info on the 3rd faction

[plush mason]

seems just the 2 shown will be in this test which makes sense

[green loom]

Space Marine "fans" when your homebrew chapter isn't just a rebranded version of an existing one:

[queen laurel]

After watching the gameplay trailer kruleboyz won't be my cup of tea anytime soon they seem to be the more strategic side I mean makes sense but I just really want to send my infantry and watch them slaughter everything

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-spider-man-2099-miguel-o'hara-miles-morales-gif-12344997885357354712

[plush mason]

they can make some of their units invisible

[queen laurel]

With an ability like that you would need to be very strategic

[plush mason]

which ofc is a powerful thing to have in an rts about territorial control

[queen laurel]

And I lack strategy

[green loom]

Enemy go one way
You go other way
FLenk

[queen laurel]

shit youz right iz need to just big think

[crimson kayak]

Wait wait wait... Laned maps... No true base building... No large scale armies...

... Why the fuck did that gameplay trailer look like a slower DoW3

[plush mason]

do not insult it like that untill we get to see it in its finished state

[stark cargo]

AoS Moba? Sounds fun

[plush mason]

frankly the map reminded me of a dow2 mulitplayer map

[crimson kayak]

Dunno, but I'm not impressed by neither the animations or the gameplay for now

[plush mason]

fair

[green loom]

It's being shown off primarily as a console title so expect a lot of simplicity

[crimson kayak]

Oh that explains it

[green loom]

It's why everyone's dirt slow

[crimson kayak]

Then it's definetly gonna fall in the DoW3 conundrum of not knowing what the fuck it wants to be

[green loom]

It might not

[plush mason]

yeah its too early to say

[green loom]

It could be fine ie Halo Wars

iirc people weren't too happy with that at release

[crimson kayak]

Ye but Halo Wars was literally a classic rts with controller controls

[plush mason]

so far it seems like the team has a clear direction for the game. a tactical rts so focused on squad based gameplay and not on just massive armies

[queen laurel]

speaking of aos is it just me or the maw Krusha is basically just a tigrex from monster hunter

[green loom]

It cabbage

[crimson kayak]

It's basically a mixture of a tigrex and the fat dragon from the DnD movie

[green loom]

The DnD movie seems fun

[crimson kayak]

It is

Simple, to the point, not overly ambitious and with actual thought put in it's scenes

[plush mason]

wait, Hollywood can still make movies like that? shocking

[green loom]

"What's 2+2"
"I'm bad at math"
Dies

[queen laurel]

One thing I will always appreciate though now that I found out about it is that a maw Krusha can glide, the reason?

Gravity won't **** with them

[crimson kayak]

It even managed to make marvel style quips work instead of looking fully out of place each time a joke is made

[plush mason]

wow

which devil did they make a deal with to make that happen?

[crimson kayak]

Tbf have you looked at those arms?

[queen laurel]

Yeah a punch from that even gravity will feel

[green loom]

The costume design was also nice and they used a lot of practical effects

It was generic mostly but the good kind, not the "Generic Netflix fantasy show" kind

[celest dome]

Yeah, I have a friend who watched it and he complained that it wasn't like LotR and all that. But it make sense to be like it is

[crimson kayak]

It more or less feels like watching some online DnD campaign with custom made cinematics for the session

[crimson kayak]

Also this, close to no Cgi shit unless it was actually needed for something

[crimson kayak]

Like, you could even point out the "dice rolls" moments

[celest cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/14e1q8j/awesome_hearing_dialogue_interactions_ive_never/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Between Male Fanatic And Male Agitator. This Was Amazing To Hear.

[green loom]

And it looks great for it

[crystal forum]

is that the early streamer gun skin

i wish i got that one

[crimson kayak]

arent twitch skins purple?

[rose thorn]

Isn’t there lore around purple where the EC accidentally used so much purple dye before they even turned traitor that it became extremely rare

That’s why the modern EC paint their armor pink

[worldly gull]

Does anyone know if the emprah like chicken nuggets?

[winter vessel]

There’s probably one box left in all existence and he kept it in one of the vaults guarded by the Shadowkeepers underneath the Imperial Palace.

[queen laurel]

That explains why Horus started the heresy, his father won't share such precious treasure

[worldly gull]

canon

[earnest snow]

No he forbade chickens when the age of strife ended

[rose thorn]

Damn I like the badab war

Wait, the mantis warriors literally don’t have a chapter master

Because theirs is currently imprisoned for life

That’s actually really funny

And their librarians operate more as chapter masters

Chief*

[storm jungle]

my guy got charged with federal crimes fr fr

[rose thorn]

Frrrr, at his trail he said nothing until he was told to say his final words before imprisonment

And he said

‘I seek no mercy’

I didn’t know that he was stil their chapter master

I thought they picked a new one but nope

Gotta wait for their current on to die ig

[arctic talon]

That’s

Prolly the funniest shit ever

[rose thorn]

Frfr

They had a really badass librarian lead them for a while

I think his name was the dust prophet

[earnest snow]

Can't wait for the next episode of tsons vs necrons. Its gonna go down like yugioh

[rose thorn]

During the badab war he noticed the astral claws he was with has removed all their imperial imagery, and upon some pyker shit he learned that the astral claws tricked the mantis warriors. So what he did was he ordered a bombardment on himself and teleported to the ship and told everyone what was going on

Oh yeah hsi staff is literally a staff from his home planet modified with eldar tech

[earnest snow]

Ngl chad.

But huron is evading the DMV and IRS so that's makes him based in my book

[rose thorn]

Very true

Also the mantis warriors lost 3 fucking chapter masters, and their chief librarian/basically chapter master on the whole badab was

Oh only 2

And their 2nd company captain

Who almost killed Huron

So they didn’t have. A good time

[remote widget]

Is there anything to prevent a perpetual being stuck as a servitor

Ollanious pious out cogitating a landraider

[crystal forum]

i guess if they died they'd come back normal?

[storm jungle]

Unless you die no yeah

im surprised most people dont talk about this fate more often for a perpetual

[green loom]

You should never talk about perpetuals tbf

[crystal forum]

they're oddities for sure

i don't think you're supposed to think too much about their condition

(i'll bet 50$ that dante is a perpetual)

[storm jungle]

💀

[green loom]

Oh that'd be funny actually

They just always get to him so late that he's back up and running again

So they just assume he barely survived

Dante meanwhile eventually realizes and lets out a gut wrenching scream before decapitating the nearest ally

[crystal forum]

it's funny how they come back to life instead of just being immortal

it's like a literal plot device condition

is it ever theorized in universe why this happens?

[green loom]

No

[crystal forum]

some have lived way before the emperor sat on the golden throne so it's not like he brings them back to life

[green loom]

Well in theory if he ascends to warp godhood, time wouldn't matter

And the chaos gods already have a habit of resurrecting their goons

[crystal forum]

why would he keep some of the perpetuals alive though

[arctic talon]

Tbh we don’t even know if he’s gona ascend

[green loom]

Yeah I'm just saying IF

[crystal forum]

a primarch i understand but why that guy that suggested letting horus win to kill chaos

[green loom]

#all part of the plan

[crystal forum]

not a good plan since he didn't even succeed

[green loom]

Yet

[crystal forum]

see i'd call nonsense but the bringing back to life part begs for a divine intervention explanation

[green loom]

It's some sort of mutation afaik

[arctic talon]

Not all perpetuals are even consistant

[crystal forum]

the entire idea of resurrection is heavily involved with religion, especially christianity

[arctic talon]

It’s like an umbrella term

In 40k

Bcs they don’t all revive the same way

Some are just immortal but can die

Ect.

[crystal forum]

huh

i guess vulkan could be some sort of emperor intervention

[arctic talon]

Some have a limited amount of revives

Some just straight up can’t die by normal means

It’s weird

[green loom]

Who thought of this crap

[crystal forum]

too many people

it reeks of too many cooks will spoil the broth

[winter vessel]

like throwing in every kind of seasoning into one pot of soup

[arctic talon]

Too many writers

Next question lol

[crystal forum]

are we at the point where humanity has spent more time in the imperium era than any previous era

[green loom]

Rhshfhf

[crystal forum]

golden age was like 15k years or something right

[green loom]

No

Imperium has only been around for 10k years

God i can't tell if it's discord dying or my data

[crystal forum]

yeah i've been having issues today too

discord be like that sometimes

i forgot imperium started in 30k

[green loom]

Yeap

[crystal forum]

but we're not that far off right

[green loom]

We're still a few thousand years off at minimum

[crystal forum]

crazy

sometimes i forget about how insane the time scales are in 40k

like 20k isn't 2000, it's 20000

[green loom]

That do be how nummers work

[winter vessel]

GW: looks at the year 40K "Shit this doin' numbers."

[crystal forum]

come to think of it, is it ever explained where the rogal dorn tank comes from

[green loom]

No

[crystal forum]

damn

[storm jungle]

Yeah it literally just "appears"

even the codex entry for it is

S H I T

[crystal forum]

did the tabletop even need it

from what i hear it's a super niche unit that gets outperformed by the russ

[green loom]

Hey

It looks cool

And if Warhammer tabletop knows how to do anything

It's making useless vehicles

[crystal forum]

it doesn't even look like it fits in the militarum

yeah it's stupidly huge and it has sponsons but it's straight up a pershing lookalike

[green loom]

Idk I like it

[crystal forum]

don't get me wrong i love having more militarum tanks

but i'd also like a bit more lore to new vehicles

[summer rover]

they didn't make the dorn because they cared about lore, they made the dorn because they wanted a tank that was more in line with the rules meta they had planned. and in the true GW fashion, fucked that up

[arctic talon]

Yesnt

[arctic talon]

The dorn was going to suck ass bcs of how big it was regardless

9th edition was unkind to large models and the dorn is kind of huge lol

[summer rover]

they didn't help it by overbalancing the cost.

[arctic talon]

tbh

even if it was cheap as fuck

I don't see a use case for it in 9e

[summer rover]

russ beats its ass because the russ is dirt fuckin' cheap when the dorn comes out.

[arctic talon]

unless it was like the same cost as a Russ

also the Russ can be taken in 3's lol

and is easier to move around the board

The Dorn is only good at seal clubbing in 9e

It actually has a use case in 10e because vehicles don't instantly evaporate

[summer rover]

GW doesn't understand how their own games are played, and it shows whenever they try to replace an old model with a "better" one.

[arctic talon]

Tbh

the dorn wasn't meant to replace shit

it was meant to go inbetween the baneblade and russ

it ended up being worse then either

Baneblade is the seal clubber supreme

[summer rover]

it was meant to replace the russ in sales. it did not do this.

[arctic talon]

was it?

bcs I don't think it was

from a gameplay point of view at least

[summer rover]

p.much. it was pretty clearly being pushed for that on release.

[arctic talon]

weird

feels dumb lol

[summer rover]

GW marketing plans, stupid? unpossible!

[arctic talon]

then again not my problem

lol

I don't play guard

[summer rover]

not a guard player's problem either, they all probably have like 6 russ tanks at that point anyways.

[arctic talon]

tbh I saw like

2 dorns irl lol

mostly for painting reasons

I never saw one actually be used bcs it was genuinely ass

[echo vault]

Rate my budget battleship

[summer rover]

man, that's ugly as shit

that's some D&D leftovers design sense there

[crystal forum]

inb4 they remove the russ saying it's been replaced

i would actually cry

such a classic looking 40k vehicle

[crystal forum]

im printing one, at least back home. that's the true glory of printing, being able to test out shitty units that arent worth buying and out of print models

also fanmade edits

[summer rover]

everything about it is like that, the shield stands out because it's the only brightly colored part.

[arctic talon]

There's 0 chance they're gona cut the russ

[summer rover]

yeah, not now.

[echo vault]

I like the shield

[echo vault]

That's kinda what cities of sigmar are, put high fantasy d&d stuff with Warhammer fantasy stuff

Not a bad thing, it's a goofy forge world model most likely

[arctic talon]

maybe like 30 years in the future

if the russ somehow doesn't get a new kit

they might consider cutting it lol

[rose thorn]

I LOVE that models o much

[echo vault]

I respect it for being weird, feels like the empires version of something stupid like the lothern skycutters, something so impractical it's great to see them work

Its the color scheme that makes them feel like d&d models, they don't have the bright colors

[rose thorn]

It’s a sniper on a big scary moving thing

[echo vault]

Especially for the metals

[rose thorn]

It s great

[echo vault]

Can we get this in 40k especially darktide, for ogryn

Can't go through most doors, but can keep someone ontop

[rose thorn]

I wanna see a sniper on top of a walker

Honestly a sniper on a big moving scary thing sounds very eldar

[echo vault]

They need to do AoS blood bowl

It'd make people like the storm cast more if they saw stormcast cheerleaders

A flood of "dommy mommy dearest" comments being an inevitability

[rose thorn]

Maybe a harlequin sniper that just climbs on enemies and jumps from shoulder to shoulder

[echo vault]

And they wear a party city human mask to hide their identity

[queen laurel]

i can imagine for orruks if you need a tough wall breaker just go iron jawz, but if you want to be a lot more sneaky and strategic go Kruleboyz

[echo vault]

Sons of behemat would be too op though, mancrusher army

[queen laurel]

Yeah I think, they will just have two players even then

Getting through two giants is going to be a work

[echo vault]

Or one mega gargant, the meta

[arctic talon]

People already like stormcast sorta

since GW actually expanded on AOS lore

[echo vault]

The newer stormcast they make are so cool, much better than 1st edition they have improved

[queen laurel]

for orruk cheerleaders just get warchanters

[echo vault]

Idk it's easy to think of just the negatives with new things

[echo vault]

Along with the female orks and their flail nipple tassels

Probably the only thing people remember about the blood bowl games

Video games*

Not the tabletop that's still popular

[queen laurel]

Holy hell that was horrific

[arctic talon]

tbh

if they make an AoS bloodbowl equivelent

I want it to be like soccer or something

[echo vault]

Do you like the beastmen cheerleader

[arctic talon]

except 10x more violent

[echo vault]

Get hit too hard as a storm cast it immediately gives you one of the rebirth curses like double voice (hearing two of the same voices)

[queen laurel]

I mean blood bowl is still football but ten times more violent

[arctic talon]

yeah

[echo vault]

But that would disrespect the god of blood bowl

[arctic talon]

I don't want AOS bloodbown to just be football

*bowl

[echo vault]

Nuffle

[arctic talon]

Nuffle pronounced En Ef L

[echo vault]

Mulles (MLS)

[green loom]

GW expanded the lore but getting people to read it is difficult

[echo vault]

NBA jam AoS edition

[green loom]

I mean shit there's still people who hate on both Leandros and Cato like they shot their dogs or something

[echo vault]

I don't think it'll ever end even if the end times didn't happen and AoS was just a spinoff

[arctic talon]

Leandros is literally meant to be a heel

I like him as a heel

[echo vault]

People are just stupid

[arctic talon]

no shit lol

Also gona be honest literaly no new blood was intrested in WHF till total war warhammer

[echo vault]

It's probably a complex social feeling that doesn't fit in this channel

[arctic talon]

total war warhammer honestly

unironically saved fantasy as a setting

[echo vault]

The true killer of fantasy

Finecast

[arctic talon]

;p;

more like how goddamn expensive it was to get into lol

[green loom]

Massive horde armies and also very expensive models yeah?

[arctic talon]

mostly massive battleline armies

tbh

A skaven army

would make any 40k army look cheap lol

[echo vault]

I say fine cast just because it's so shit to work with especially since it was everywhere with fantasy and almost ruined the eldar (specifically with finecast hero models)

[summer rover]

the true killr of fantasy was GW getting the LotR lisance, because everyone was getting armies for the new setting and GW was cutting back on releasing fantasy minis because of it and blaming fantasy for lower sales.

[echo vault]

Curse you frodo

[torpid narwhal]

Does nurgle really like typhus more then mortarian or is typhus just salty

[celest dome]

Mortarion doesn't like Nurgle

While Typhus love him

But Mortarion got more blessing in totals

[green loom]

Mortarion is a bigger prize

Typhus is useful

[torpid narwhal]

But who does nurgle value more

[arctic talon]

Typhus

Mortarion is a daemon prince

so he's much more limited in entering real space

Typhus is still a mortal

[torpid narwhal]

But doesn't mortarion command the death guard

[celest dome]

The majority of it yes

Think it's about 70% Mortarion and 30% Typhus or a thing like that

Typhus act more, but when Mortarion act it's more determinant, same way with Kharn/Angron, Arihman/Magnus and Lucius/Fulgrim

[arctic talon]

Yeah but typhus still has considerable forces

He has the terminus est under his command

And a fuck ton of mortals

Typhus is more reliable as well since

He can just hop out of the eye of terror and start killing

While Mortarion needs to be summoned

[torpid narwhal]

They should kill typhus to punish him for being so lame

Mortarion 2024

[arctic talon]

Lol

Typhus’s strategy is literally to drown people in plague zombies

And cultists

[torpid narwhal]

Based

[arctic talon]

While marines go after priority targets

[torpid narwhal]

Typhus owes everything to mortarion

[arctic talon]

But yeah the terminus est nowadays is filled to the brim

With an absurd amount of plague zombies

To launch at his enemies

[celest dome]

Typhus caused the Death Guard to be Nurglite
So Nurgle owe a lot to Typhus

[arctic talon]

Lol

Also funnily enough despite how often he uses pox walkers

[torpid narwhal]

I don't get the feeling the death guard really care about nurgle

[echo vault]

Typhus has a cooler helmet

[arctic talon]

His favorite plague zombie type is those who suffer from the plague of unbelief

Since he came up with it

[celest dome]

Wasn't it Typhus that use Torpedo Launcher filled with Zombies or something ?

[arctic talon]

Also bcs those types of plague zombies can use a gun sometimes

[arctic talon]

Yep

He fills boarding torpedos with plague zombies

And launches them

[echo vault]

I wish they used the nurgle warbands from the vraks campaign more

Like the purge

[arctic talon]

The purge is used in the main csm codex at least

[celest dome]

Curse of Unbelief

[echo vault]

That's good

[arctic talon]

They’re the poster boy

Nurgle warband

Along with the cleaved in second place

[echo vault]

I mean the other one they used in vraks I forget it's name

[arctic talon]

Oh

[echo vault]

It was the purge and then a larger one at vraks

[arctic talon]

Uhhh yeah I forgor them

[echo vault]

Yeah

You were right tho

The purge are on the csm codex as a warband which is nice

[torpid narwhal]

Don't know why anyone would purposely fallow nurgle

[arctic talon]

Apostles of contagion

They’re part of the death guard

[echo vault]

Oh cool thanks

[arctic talon]

So do they really count

[celest dome]

Typhus

[celest dome]

Want Power, or want to not suffer

[arctic talon]

Since Mortarion and typhus

[torpid narwhal]

I really hate typhus

[arctic talon]

Reunified the death guard

[echo vault]

Freedom from pain, saving others from death and suffering, originally noble goals like curing diseases and others

[torpid narwhal]

But you are covered in diseases

[celest dome]

Yeah, but you don't care at that point

[echo vault]

Well you want everyone to not feel pain and suffering from disease it just comes with added facial differences

[torpid narwhal]

[celest dome]

Like why would you join Khorne when it only make you into a madman

[echo vault]

I'm surprised there aren't anymore fantasy demon characters like the glottkin or especially festus

[celest dome]

Neither are Daemon

[echo vault]

But he is green

And with that goiter

Festus became a nurgle demon because originally as a doctor he tried so hard to cure a disease that killed an entire town that he broke down after the last patient died, and in that moment nurgle offered him knowledge to cure the affliction in exchange for his service to nurgle

[celest dome]

Well Festus is at the cusp of being a Daemon Prince

[torpid narwhal]

I would fallow slaanish for reasons

[echo vault]

The slaan god

[celest dome]

Not a Daemon, not even a Daemon Prince during the ET

[queen laurel]

Who knows he might receive enough gifts to become the second prisoner in the emerald cave

[echo vault]

But hear me out, green

He's shrek

[torpid narwhal]

Team slaanish

[arctic talon]

[celest dome]

But still no Daemon

[arctic talon]

Becoming a worshipper of slaanesh will not be as fun as you think

[echo vault]

Kroak gang

[queen laurel]

YOU'Z GITZ AND YER CHAOS GROTZ

[torpid narwhal]

K I need to go to bed

[queen laurel]

GORK AND MORK IZ WHERE IT'Z AT

[echo vault]

Isn't he in AoS now? There must be some elevation in power

Or just like a respawn

[arctic talon]

I don’t think he’s in AoS?

[torpid narwhal]

Good night and Death to the corpse worshipers

[echo vault]

I think his model is

[arctic talon]

Nvm he is

[echo vault]

But just as a generic lord

Oh shit

[arctic talon]

It’s festus

[echo vault]

https://tenor.com/view/festus-warhammer-total-war-nurgle-chaos-gif-26599525

[arctic talon]

He got revived

Not a daemon prince tho

[echo vault]

The world's worst soup maker

[queen laurel]

Have nice dreams heretic

[queen laurel]

bro built like a ogre

[celest dome]

Lexi has an error, it say he became a DP in the ET but I know it's not the case

[echo vault]

Kruleboyz in 40k would be cool but they're so different from regular orks it wouldn't fit too well

[queen laurel]

And I'm going to be honest if they did come to 40K they would be blood axe

[echo vault]

Yeah like savage orks but cooler

[queen laurel]

The other orks won't really like them

[echo vault]

They'd fit for a gorkamorka revival

[queen laurel]

especially the goffz

[celest dome]

There weren't really that many DP in fantasy, but there were a few that were basically DP but had not the name (Festus, Kugath calling him the closest to the GUO; Valkia the Gorequeen...)

[arctic talon]

He’s not labeled as a daemon prince in AoS either

[echo vault]

Although given the name of human fans of the orks in gorkamorka I don't think it'll happen

[queen laurel]

Warhammer 40k Orks are perfect the way they are but i wouldn't mind Krule boyz

[arctic talon]

Krule boyz are cool

[echo vault]

Digganobs

[arctic talon]

Diggas got mentioned sometime recently

[echo vault]

I thought they were called diggers and just diggas by the orks, bruh

My mind was somewhere else

Thinking about that ssethtzeentach video on deep rock

[arctic talon]

They’re called digganobz

Or diggaz

[queen laurel]

sorry that's your word my digga

[echo vault]

Thank you I didn't wanna go around calling them diggers unironically

[echo vault]

Someone gave me DRG for free and I'm torn between driller or the gunner

[queen laurel]

Choose wisely The Walking guns platform or the war criminal

[arctic talon]

Both are war criminals

Driller just has the longer record

[queen laurel]

Well yes but I would take the lesser war criminal over the bigger one

[echo vault]

I might do gunner, I like the guns and I wanna big beard (i haven't seen one with a beard tho

[queen laurel]

wait

[echo vault]

Hi

[arctic talon]

Every dwarf can get the same beards

[echo vault]

I saw the design of an armored beard that looked cool ok

Ok thank you

[queen laurel]

I'll get you my gunner wait

[echo vault]

This isn't 40k related I just want something like that goofy ass gun from the 2003 star wars show

[queen laurel]

This is my gunner and as you can see he has a lot of beard

he Usually wears a helmet

[celest dome]

Multilaser for the Ogryn would be the closest I suppose

This but just take the gun and put it in the hands of an Ogryn

[queen laurel]

Does this function similarly to the fallout laser minigun?

[echo vault]

Thank you

He looks cool

[echo vault]

Yeh

Pretty much

Now imagine 4 of those

[queen laurel]

thanks I don't take off his helmet too much

[echo vault]

Yw

[queen laurel]

Well I'll be

That's some good shit

[echo vault]

Multilasers get a bad rap because they were used a lot in a shitty novel adaptation of dawn of war 1

[celest dome]

Maybe, I hav'nt played Fallout

[echo vault]

I would say it's just like a laser minigun

[celest dome]

If you've seen Astartes, it's the Heavy weapon they use against the SM

[echo vault]

I haven't watched astartes in a while

[celest dome]

Just ignore the SM plot armour

[echo vault]

It makes sense due to big meaty men bumping meat, I still wanna know what those psychic dudes were

[celest dome]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx9fszx2jyylbslXi6AfTJOUcAy7ohyN1d

[celest dome]

Psykers

[queen laurel]

Yep definitely similar to the laser minigun from fallout

[celest dome]

Good to know, they basically are Twin or 4 Linked Hellgun/Volleyguns

[echo vault]

But they were like, more alien than regular psykers

[celest dome]

How so

They were human shaped

A bit big

But nothing out of the Ordinary (Also Fan content, not everything is cannon, like the Autocannon and the Multilaser doing nothing)

[crimson kayak]

Tbf it's literally the main weapon of Chimera's and Sentinels too

[echo vault]

But le cs goto

[crimson kayak]

Didn't like, a Carnifex or some other tyranid form have it at one point?

[echo vault]

Idk

Tyranids shoot poop wine

[crimson kayak]

Can't remember if it was still part of the Dow books or the deathwatch duology

Well, just read up on everything goto fucked up and God damn

[celest dome]

Is there a list ?

[crimson kayak]

Yep

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/C.S._Goto
good old 1d4chan

Best one I think is the Eldar tank broken by kids throwing rocks in it's engine

[celest cedar]

You Think Loose Cannon's Going To Make Good Friends With Titus? Or Guilliman?

[plush mason]

Guilliman sure

Titus not so much

big G only begrudgingly accepts the imperial cult because he knows how isnt the time to remove it

[celest dome]

Would they even care about it ?

Like it's a no name Guardsman

Even worse, a Penal One

[plush mason]

true

its funny tho, even should the imperium win it will end up being completely remade

[celest dome]

Win what ?

[queen laurel]

If we're taking anything at face value that said penal Guardsman can get close to a plague ogryn and beast of nurgle without suddenly developing every type of aids