The Imperium has not improved with 2 primarchs
#40k-lore-chat
arctic talon
Ima be real with ya
its not gona improve with 3
the average day to day life of an imperial citizen is still the same
green loom
The Great Crusade united 100% of humanity, it used to be 70%, but they killed the last 30 
pale onyx
tthats cap, there's hope on the otherside of the great rift just by spreading lions name. and on gullimans side he has cleaned upterra and united humanity somewehat for the indomitus crusade
arctic talon
as is the average life of pretty much everyone in the imperium
arctic talon
tthats cap, there's hope on the otherside of the great rift just by spreading li...
Humanity was already united 
Also the lion isn't relevant outside of a small ammount of space
pale onyx
Humanity was already united <:smarf:966438427866304512>
But he brought them all together
arctic talon
the Indomitus crusade
was inevitible
it just wouldn't ahve been formed by Guilliman
green loom
And it would've probably had a cooler name
arctic talon
absolutely not lol
the Admech still hates the wider imperium
The high lord of the assasins thinks guilliman will ultimately fail
pale onyx
but because of his skills and because it was gulliman the indomitus was a huge crusade up until recent times with the massive losses
arctic talon
and resign himself to just doing the same as the rest
storm jungle
The Great Crusade was a "success" in creating great unrest among the galaxy and destroying any advanced human civilizations that were open-minded
winter vessel
the average day to day life of an imperial citizen is still the same
It’s a daily practice of an Imperium citizen that, before waking up and doing anything, always choose violence. What better way to start the day.
arctic talon
but because of his skills and because it was gulliman the indomitus was a huge c...
The indomitus was the largest crusade because they kept on picking up more ships as they went
which other crusades didn't
pale onyx
they could only do that because of gullimans influence thhough
arctic talon
the Indomitus crusade only got so large because it was mostly securing already controlled territory
objectively wrong
it would have taken much longer to start
but the end result would have been the same
Guilliman just cut all the red tape
pale onyx
they didnt have time to wait, that's the issue
pale onyx
terra almost fell from khorne
near wasp
They would of been fine, its just more worlds would be lost
near wasp
terra almost fell from khorne
No it didnt xD
storm jungle
My guy for the love of god, people dont fall in line just because you are Primarch 💀
arctic talon
^
storm jungle
Like we are tlaking about a stretched out barely holding out Empire in the fucking milky way galaxy
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
The new master of the administratum isn't a big fan
stark cargo
Imho the big dilemma of humanity in this setting is the chaos gods. They are now a thing. Ignoring them is no longer possible. And the only idea the totalitarion Imperium has to fight them is war, hate, repression. Which only strengthens them further.
Imho there's no hope for humanity to find balance, positivity and being able to calm the warp
pale onyx
My guy for the love of god, people dont fall in line just because you are Primar...
Bro most of the imperium is religious, if the son of the god you worship comes you do what he says. And im saying being a primearch helped but also because it was gulliman he achieved what he was able to achieve with the indomitus crusade
arctic talon
but she also isn't stupid to shove a knife into the back of his back
storm jungle
Bro most of the imperium is religious, if the son of the god you worship comes y...
And the problem with religion is it divides people
it didnt help
with
ANYTHING
near wasp
Religion also almost fucked up the crusade
storm jungle
Guilliman would literally abolish the church if it wasnt such a big part of the Imperium
arctic talon
^
He says as much
he wants to wipe out the Eclisarchy
so does Lion
but at this point the eclisarchy holds so much power arguably speaking if they called a primarch a heretic
a chunk of the imperium would agree
summer rover
really, the problem is the way the writers handle the chaos gods. they change how they operate to serve the story at any given time which leads to huge, half-assed retcons that generally don't make sense so writers can have things both ways.
arctic talon
its also why the admech gets into constant civil wars with the eclisarchy
because they disagree
on their interpretaion of who the emperor is
and this leads to a few trillions dead
ect.
winter vessel
Speaking of High lords, Morvenn Vahl is the only one I like because of what she did after becoming Abbess. Girl was given the title, she f’d off from the Ecclesiarchy and went on a crusade.
summer rover
it's pretty hard to have a way to fight an enemy whose main weapon is "and then we skip this part of the story and say chaos achived victory".
arctic talon
Speaking of High lords, Morvenn Vahl is the only one I like because of what she ...
she's ignoring the ecclesiarchy(based)
stark cargo
really, the problem is the *way the writers handle* the chaos gods. they change ...
Personally, I don't mind. They are cosmic horrors. They don't have to be predictable or consistent
winter vessel
she's ignoring the ecclesiarchy(based)
Definitely a based decision, that’s why I like her
arctic talon
tbh
is there any other way it could go lol
Nids, necrons and chaos
are gona be the last 3 standing
Dark Eldar I guess
but they don't give a shit
arctic talon
GW has painted the inevtible "victors" of this clusterfuck
near wasp
Dark elder might get fucked up by chaos
arctic talon
as always being Orks, nids, necrons, or chaos
but they're a lot less heavy on the orks part
nowadays
green loom
Kill team anyone?
arctic talon
what about kill team
they instantly melt so yes
chaos does just autowin the fight
green loom
Yeah it's like
arctic talon
if you break into one of the chaos gods realms
they can just throw you out
or do something worse
green loom
You know that incident on that oilrig where they accidentally released a pressure valve or something
And it instantly killed like 6 people
arctic talon
but if you for some reason to enter the warp itself
green loom
Imagine that
arctic talon
you'll literally melt
winter vessel
Yeah, think of like emptying out one bottle of cooking oil in a lake.
near wasp
Unless your name is kaldor draigo
storm jungle
It kinda does
green loom
It's just
green loom
On the author or setting?
near wasp
Nurgles realm has ground
summer rover
on the paragraph....
green loom
I guess if you go to one of the realm's
But the warp proper is just purple
Ok so imagine that fleet in space right
It goes to the warp
near wasp
The warp is an ever changing hellscape
green loom
Now where there used to be empty space
Is warp stuff and daemons
An infinite supply of them
storm jungle
Thats basically like saying "put every navy in the world in the ocean"
they will be there sure
but like
the ocean is uh
kinda big
green loom
"Can they kill the ocean"
storm jungle
^
green loom
I guess it helps that the ocean is a physical thing
near wasp
The sea of souls is and isnt an ocean. You cant really get rid of its contents, only perhaps hope to calm them
arctic talon
as long as the forerunners don't get puked out into the warp
they'll do great in 40k
green loom
They're one of those busted precursor factions that probably should never lose but does anyway
Primetime Forerunners are War in Heaven tier or higher potentially
near wasp
The forerunners arnt psychic in any way right
arctic talon
The forerunners arnt psychic in any way right
They aren’t
But they have better tech then the imperium so
Like a lot better
near wasp
So just like the tau but can move faster
green loom
They can wipe out the entire galaxy with a handful of rings that are smaller than planets
near wasp
True
I think if they didnt instakill the planet they might have some issues with daemons and psykers but im not really sure
green loom
You can still kill daemons and psykers conventionally
near wasp
Sure but its more the fact they can kill forerunners more easily than say a gun can
arctic talon
Def but they’d be fine overall
storm jungle
the death leaper has a vampire squid cape
We're gonna get some good smut out of this
arctic talon
We're gonna get some good smut out of this
storm jungle
storm jungle
Basically
his entire existence as a human has been that "Magic is bad"
The moment he became a daemon primarch he was entirely fine with it
Also Big E saved him from dying when he came to his planet to kill the world's evil overlord but he hated the Emperor for it because reasons
near wasp
We're gonna get some good smut out of this
Down bad 🫵
green loom
near wasp
Morty had one moral code and he broke it.
Hes an absolute hypocrite and he knows it. And thats why i love him
silver hawk
So he said psykers bad and now either doesn’t care or can’t do anything about it
storm jungle
Pretty much!
stark cargo
Isn't that what Nurgle is about? No longer caring? Being content in misery?
crisp heath
Nurgle is about "Uh oh! Stinky!"
crimson kayak
They can wipe out the entire galaxy with a handful of rings that are smaller tha...
Tbf they would probably just need to digitalize an Hive world into prometheans and they basically got infinite troops
Also yeah, they are at the very least necron levels of tech
(also forerunners already beat intergalactic empire level humans once)
grave sparrow
I got done reading Horus Rising. Fuck Erebus.
green loom
grave sparrow
Also fuck Horus for allowing a member of another legion to become a prime advisor to him when he had Garvial Loken.
astral whale
the death leaper has a vampire squid cape
Looks kinda like a mind flayer from dnd
summer rover
yeah, it just looks like a mind flayer with an outfit made of skin
arctic talon
tbh
the lictor head has always looked like a mindflayer imo
like you can't tell me this shit isn't a mind flayer lol
near wasp
I want to cave its skull in with a bat
storm jungle
Looks kinda like a mind flayer from dnd
Thats where the influence is from
40k is not subtle with the shit it steals ideas from
near wasp
And yet the defend their ip so aggressively
summer rover
i don't see how they could choose to make the lictor even fuglier than the old metal goofiness
arctic talon
i don't see how they could choose to make the lictor even fuglier than the old m...
The new death leaper is pretty
storm jungle
Orin coming in hot with bad takes this week
languid salmon
Anyone else notice the deathleaper has a ponytail now?
crisp heath
I'm pretty sure that's coming out his back, not his head
But it's a good tyranid if there's debate over what kind of anatomy it has
languid salmon
we were all distracted by the matrix coat
Yeah don’t care for it personally but I like the rest of the model
arctic talon
Yeah don’t care for it personally but I like the rest of the model
It’s a funny vampire squid
Sorta
languid salmon
now we just need it to ruin someone else's day than a random cardinal
arctic talon
Lol
Tbh I hope the death leaper gets a new statblock
In the codex
Bcs the one it has in the index cards is sad
languid salmon
yeah. hope we get new lictor models
storm jungle
Sad looking?
Bro the artillery Nid literally looks like its about to have a mental breakdown
storm jungle
arctic talon
lmfao
storm jungle
Live Nid Reaction
storm jungle
lmfao
crisp heath
She's cute
languid salmon
My current one keeps breaking. But yeah all the resin Tyranid models need an update?
arctic talon
def
languid salmon
She's cute
Who?
crisp heath
Her
arctic talon
hopefully the nids don't get Eldar'd
(tiny release waves of 1-3 minis to update resin)
storm jungle
"I'm trying boss."
but jokes aside yeah Lictors are like one of the most infamous Nid units, upgrade em first, Biovore can wait
im just happy Nids are getting the 9th edition Necron refresh treatment
languid salmon
That’s a woman?
storm jungle
A good mix of updated minis with new units
crisp heath
She's kind of like Koko the Gorilla
languid salmon
It does have testicles
Wait what does that make spore mines then?
crisp heath
Biovore is a big dumb cutie and you can't change my mind
Yes!!!
Biovore seeds spore mines!!!
arctic talon
Wait what does that make spore mines then?
The spore mines are stored in the balls
languid salmon
How has no one memed this yet?
storm jungle
How do you know a mini is old as fuck?
Go to store page
No other viewing page, just a single image that isnt even 360 view
arctic talon
lol
crisp heath
She's a big sweet gorilla
languid salmon
What if they made it more orky ask a reference of how the hive mind made it?
arctic talon
now I'm hoping for hormagaunt update
languid salmon
Yeah though I already have 40 of the older ones so
crisp heath
Yeah biovore is made with ork DNA
storm jungle
They made the shooty-gaunts so Hormas have to be on the list
languid salmon
I also have 45 of the old termagaunts
crisp heath
I have mixed feelings about the updates to the line
Lictors need an update badly but I like old gants and some of the monsters more than the new style
storm jungle
Some of the range holds up
mostly because it was made like only a few years ago
the others tho oof not so much
crisp heath
Old lictors are just a disaster
arctic talon
tbh
languid salmon
pyrovore could get an update
arctic talon
Some minis don't need an update that badly
crisp heath
Well current lictors ig
languid salmon
Remember how bad they were for awhile
arctic talon
Lictors need an update badly but I like old gants and some of the monsters more ...
what about the old gaunts do you like more
storm jungle
but wasnt the Red Terror in the store
storm jungle
before he got removed like last year?
arctic talon
**A MINIATURE FROM FUCKING 1934**
warpspiders
crisp heath
what about the old gaunts do you like more
They're cuter
storm jungle
warpspiders
💀
crisp heath
They have puppy faces and nubby little fangs and they look like they're dancing
languid salmon
**A MINIATURE FROM FUCKING 1934**
I wondered why it looked so different from the other tyranids
storm jungle
Hey loon on the bright side
if the Parasite of Morticia-Trex got an upgrade
so can he
some day
arctic talon
tactical dead nid
languid salmon
Yeah
crisp heath
Red terror looks almost biomechanical and it would be cool if they carried some of that over
arctic talon
Its bcs they help new players base more
arctic talon
lol
languid salmon
Red terror looks almost biomechanical and it would be cool if they carried some ...
Yeah that would be nice
crisp heath
I like the "swarm" thing a lot but sometimes nids get a bit too samey even for me
storm jungle
THEY PUT CHIMNEYS ON HIM
The infection spreads to the new ones
actually wait no i think with the screamer its just spines, i dont see holes
crisp heath
I like chimneys
languid salmon
Termagaunts have them as well now
storm jungle
Interesting
crisp heath
I like the idea of these things just spewing a cloud of spores and toxins everywhere they go
storm jungle
Yeee
arctic talon
I think
storm jungle
they are ridges
arctic talon
or very under developed pipes
storm jungle
the bigger bioforms got chimneys for their body-heat thing
it makes no sense but its cool
languid salmon
Just remember when when tyranids and orks fight even there spores take part
storm jungle
Yeah they fight on a microscopic level
crisp heath
We need more tyranid disease stories tbh
storm jungle
i think it was Octarius when it first came out where it said this
arctic talon
I love how fucked up these guys look
crisp heath
Tyranid diseases make Nurgle seem like the red cross
storm jungle
It deffo sells the fact that these guys' entire purpose is to be fodder-defense units, hence why they look so fucky which is great
languid salmon
i think it was Octarius when it first came out where it said this
Yep. I think that war started in 5th edition
storm jungle
Yeee it was around for AWHILE
im not surprised nids won because i got no idea why ork spores would be even lethal
unless like they can grow out of you i guess but never heard that happen anywhere
arctic talon
They scream loudly
storm jungle
💀
arctic talon
this guy has the dumbass chimny's tho
languid salmon
unless like they can grow out of you i guess but never heard that happen anywher...
They spreading as fast as they were being eaten. Though I think there are poisonous orkoid mushroom that are quit dangerous to non orkoid life forms
arctic talon
but odds are theyre filled with juice psyker souls this time
crisp heath
It could also just be that they're highly toxic, like many real world spores
languid salmon
Tyranid diseases make Nurgle seem like the red cross
Hive fleet gorgon did mange to kill a plague fleet with poisonous spores
crisp heath
Fungi also adapt really quickly and can change their toxins in the span of weeks so it would be an evolutionary arms race
arctic talon
we all saw how octarius went 
crisp heath
(They're also very prone to horizontal gene transfer so the orks could evolve tyranid traits at the same time tyranids are copying ork traits)
Anyway I'm just saying orks v nids would've been much wilder if the authors knew about fungi
storm jungle
Yeah thats entirely fair
because we are talking about both a literal ecosystem and microscopic war here.
arctic talon
Um akshully 🤓
orks themselves aren't fungi
they are a hybridized creature that contains elements of fungi
Along with having a fungi based reproduction system
crisp heath
Shush, orkshroom
storm jungle
Along with having a fungi based reproduction system
Kendoll Moment
crisp heath
Psychedelic ork flesh
arctic talon
queen laurel
I wonder what an old one would think looking at his creations
Seeing the eldar in ruin
arctic talon
mm fuck
queen laurel
And the orks
queen laurel
Well they're just orks
crisp heath
"You did what to create a what??"
languid salmon
"could have sworn we made them bigger and smarter"-an old one probably
storm jungle
The orks are probably the most disastarous thing they did so prob heart attack on the spot
Eldar are just bing chilling
queen laurel
"could have sworn we made them bigger and smarter"-an old one probably
Jerry you mammal, you forgot to set the changes to permanent
crisp heath
"Well at least the necrons are gone"
arctic talon
fun fact Bing Qilin means ice cream
storm jungle
Next you'll tell me that one meme video of the Chinese president saying "Wazzup Beijing" is not actually him saying Whats up Beijing
queen laurel
fun fact Bing Qilin means ice cream
I mean Dilara is not wrong, because eldar souls probably taste like ice cream considering how psychically connected they are to the warp
arctic talon
LMFAO
arctic talon
actually
I wonder
did the nids make the psychophage as a direct counter to daemons
or at least in an attempt to consume them
storm jungle
Nah that had to be another thing
because the authors acknowledged nids vs daemons as a war tactic awhile ago
arctic talon
ah
queen laurel
because the authors acknowledged nids vs daemons as a war tactic awhile ago
Yeah they have an entire hive fleet for that
arctic talon
Actually wait
languid salmon
Well some tyranids can already eat souls so…
storm jungle
Yep
storm jungle
Yes
storm jungle
Oh lmao
honestly very possible
BUT
the lore GW has said so far is that the hivemind was holding these units in reserve
languid salmon
Oh the psykic awakening
storm jungle
Yeeee
queen laurel
Does that mean the psychophage was designed
I'm pretty sure it's probably made to kill that space marine psyker that knocked the hive mind on his ass
storm jungle
It makes a lot of sense since when the Rift opened the Hivemind got temporary brainfreeze ice-cream style
queen laurel
What was his name again
arctic talon
the lore GW has said so far is that the hivemind was holding these units in rese...
I feel like the neurotyrant is a direct response to more psykers tbh
storm jungle
What was his name again
Tigerius?
Hes the only Marine to have made contact with the Hivemind alongside Mephisto from Marvel i think
I mean Mephiston whoops
but both got mind-fucked very quickly
queen laurel
I can see why the tyranids using more anti psychic threats
languid salmon
I feel like the neurotyrant is a direct response to more psykers tbh
Why not both?
arctic talon
Goofy ass deus ex machina character
storm jungle
We got the Norn Queen Emissary which hasnt been revealed yet, so maybe that
Also a huge ass Tyranid Planet
languid salmon
They should make this but a psyker
So a dominatrix?
queen laurel
They should make this but a psyker
A biotitan is already expensive, making this psychic is going to bankrupt the hive mind
arctic talon
Neurotyrant is funni
arctic talon
crisp heath
I really liked the staring contest followed by just collapsing
arctic talon
apparantly it can make the shadow of the warp shadow of the warp harder
make it do that in its rules
it'll be funny
queen laurel
apparantly it can make the shadow of the warp shadow of the warp harder
So i can add that thing to a hive fleet kronos army?
crisp heath
Did we ever find out what those things in the trailer that looked like rust monsters are?
arctic talon
shape?
languid salmon
The things eating marines?
crisp heath
Yeah
arctic talon
its the psyker eaty thing
languid salmon
The psychophage
languid salmon
They we’re eating that’s why
arctic talon
I think its the darkness obscuring them tbh
also that
they got disturbed mid meal smh
storm jungle
Aw man
i just went to get the clip
ı forgot the librarian doesnt get disintegrated
crisp heath
No he just takes a nap
languid salmon
brian begins leaking out of his nose
crisp heath
Honestly tho a monster that just turns your brain off is way scarier than something that blasts you
arctic talon
Blows up brains with mind
crisp heath
Like imagine this thing just floating through a hive, no violence, no blood, just people dropping dead, silently, by the millions as it slowly descends from the spire to the sump
And Chaddius Kickassan of the Ultramarines shoots it and it dies and everyone celebrates
storm jungle
lmao yeah its great
storm jungle
Aw they looked cooler in the trailer
Honestly i dont know why that added "The fu-" makes this scene better than it is but there you go
languid salmon
I'm stealing that
storm jungle
kek feel free
storm jungle
Yeah i think its the camera angle
i legit assumed when they were first shown that these guys were smaller units made to eat leftover scrap from warzones or during fights.
the actual model is WAY bigger
near wasp
All i know about the tyranids is there scary af. Big scary bugs that wanna eat you.
burnt cedar
All i know about the tyranids is there scary af. Big scary bugs that wanna eat y...
Tyranids are mukbang youtubers
queen laurel
Not going to lie, in the trailer they look gaunt sized
crimson kayak
Honestly i dont know why that added "The fu-" makes this scene better than it is...
comedic timing
green loom
The Phobos LT anims are very choppy
The sequence where the dread dies looks like an SFM animation
The terminators have different lighting
crimson kayak
because the animation may not be the best, but that put together with the atmosphere, trailer story and reveals works enough to make the whole better received
rose thorn
Hey y'all!
I have an ork oriented question
besides snake bites , is there any other visual traits that the clans they belong to is besides the color
i know bad moons like just having insane amount of attachments
but are the red suns cursed to be only red
or my beloved deathskulls just have football face paint
green loom
I think it's basically just up to you
Like Blood Axes will be more tacticool/have military stuff
Goffs are hardier/probably more armoured
rose thorn
true, i forgot about htem
my brain is just blanking on ideas for death skulls
besides putting a cowboy hat on squig riders
green loom
Death skulls are blue
Blue is lucky right?
So lots of good luck charms
And looted gear from their "luck"
green loom
Test
rose thorn
the kommandos i have for my killteam has some bloodaxe iconography, i was thinking it would be funny if i painted on a poorly made X over all of them
green loom
I helps 
green loom
Should fix itself in like 10 minutes or less idk
rose thorn
okay well i should actually do my homework
green loom
Might already be
rose thorn
Oh
Nice
Oh yeah I have the uhh, blood dakka teef game, I can look at the death skulls in there too
queen laurel
Oh yeah I have the uhh, blood dakka teef game, I can look at the death skulls in...
You have shootas, blood and teef nice
rose thorn
yee
lmao i forgot what it was called
wow theres alot of coats
death skulls like coats
oh to like, hide shit in
green loom
They're fashionabler
rose thorn
i get it
yeah lmao
what would ork gucci be
gukki
i saw a missed opportunity for deathskulls, they could have attached car engines and shit to their guns
i mean
evil suns lol
not death skulls
wow orks have alot of clown shit you can do
thats pretty neat
crimson kayak
Death skulls are lots of dakka and lots of stuff that's not ork made
In general they got lots of stuff
After all there's a reason they are the ones with the most Lootas
Evil Suns are kind of trickier as they are supposed to be like 90% Speed Kultists
But you could work some weird shit for foot troops like idk, car engine backpacks or outright fit them with rocket powered Rollerblades
rose thorn
Death skulls are lots of dakka and lots of stuff that's not ork made
what non ork stuff would blueskulls even want to steal?
crimson kayak
Anything
They could even be taking it just as good luck charms or even a "could be useful later" mentality
They are hoarders
rose thorn
ooooo
crimson kayak
Ench why you mostly see them as lootas or in general with big backpacks and clothes with many pockets
Also in general weapons
Because who know what kind of Kombi shit your local Mek could up you with
Hell, they'll even outright take your tanks and stuff and repurpose them
rose thorn
thats cool!
rose thorn
taktiks
rose thorn
Ench why you mostly see them as lootas or in general with big backpacks and clot...
i love that as a good away to show off hoarder stuff, just fucking strap them with inventory space
i might pick up a shit load of bags and pouches and slap them on my commandos
crimson kayak
Yep, also you can just outright pull any bits and pieces remaining from other mini's and pop them in
rose thorn
i'm planning on starting guard too, so thats convenient
and imma 3d party bits the fuck outta them
crimson kayak
I just want to know how the hell orks managed to make space on a leman russ to fit themselves in
rose thorn
i imagine they just ripped the entire inside out lmao
crimson kayak
Wait forgot Gretchins can fit
rose thorn
i saw t his guy's kitbash before, he had cool lore for that guy with him, where they kidnapped him and forced him to help the orks learn strategy
earnest snow
Gretchin somehow build stuff in dawn of war so if you take as gospel gretchin together are like ants
They lift like bros together
Make stuff for da orks
also misread that cus not a morning rat
Gretchin fit cus it's a gretchin.
queen laurel
A BOSS OF TASTE IZ SEE
rose thorn
hey does anyone know what taht thing on thier chest it
that the gas mask is attached to
green loom
That's the filtration system or something
rose thorn
oh okay
im not sure if i should replace the head or just slap a head wrap onto the krieg to run them as tallarn
green loom
I think that's more popular with stock cadians
green loom
Itd be redundant, idk if weird
green loom
Not all the models have been revealed so probably
rose thorn
should i keep it or remove it
maybe i could slap something on it to make i tlook lik eosmething else
or get tallarn with gas mask and greenstuff a cord
green loom
Greenstuff the front and make it a normal satchel
crimson kayak
another nid coming?
Not like it could fit any other faction
celest dome
Make me think of the Troglodon in a way
The face with the 2 horns and the crest behind
summer rover
those aren't horns they're whiskers. they're wiggly.
storm jungle
Loch Ness Monster lookin' ass
green loom
Can BT sword brethren technically carry just a bolter
green loom
gloomy citrus
Can BT sword brethren technically carry just a bolter
They're simmilar to the World Eaters and the Flesh Tearers when it comes to ranged weaponry.
green loom
Both of those use ranged weaponry
gloomy citrus
But only in short range.
green loom
And the SB models get combi hooters
I'm not even going to correct that
That's just
Wow
green loom
I don't even say hooters much, what the hell
gloomy citrus
What's a combi hooter?
green loom
Well, berzerkers only use pistols.
They have a sub faction in the codex that uses mainly bolters at range iirc but you can't actually play them
green loom
What's a combi hooter?
My phone autocorrected "Bolter" to "Hooter"
gloomy citrus
Well, they use the Codex as toilet paper anyway.
green loom
I mean I'd imagine a traitor legion wouldn't care for the codex
gloomy citrus
Black Templars are different.
A part of them became traitor after they slaughtered their Primaris.
And killed a fucking Custodian.
But that's besides the point.
green loom
I'm talking about world eaters what
gloomy citrus
Right...
green loom
In theory sword brethren can take whatever I think, but I guess they're more like ye olde Stern guard
storm jungle
Yeah the sword is more of a much bigger symbol of office
its why in some artworks you'll see em "escorted" or rather protected by BTs with ranged weapons and shit as backup as they go to challenge other champions to duels etc
rose thorn
This is gonna sound dumb, but in the imperium, is there anything left of like, fire fighters and similar first responders?
But what he fuck happens when there’s a wild fire in a timber planet
arctic talon
This is gonna sound dumb, but in the imperium, is there anything left of like, f...
Yes there are
but they're planetary based
and not always the best funded
arctic talon
But what he fuck happens when there’s a wild fire in a timber planet
depends
on who's controlling it
rose thorn
Fair
rose thorn
I remember some dipshit on YouTube said that ‘the imperium is actually really nice and most planets look just like your own life’
storm jungle
Yeah no
celest cedar
I remember some dipshit on YouTube said that ‘the imperium is actually really ni...
Blud I aint living in 40K 💀
storm jungle
i need to find that Aaron Dembski Bowden quote (hes a famous BL writer) but he basically said flat out on his twitter that anyone that thinks the Imperium is a "relatively nice place to live in" is an absolute copium addict
celest cedar
i need to find that Aaron Dembski Bowden quote (hes a famous BL writer) but he b...
Hey if it means an escape from IRL 40K...
💀
storm jungle
AAA
arctic talon
I remember some dipshit on YouTube said that ‘the imperium is actually really ni...
My brother in Christ you’re gona be working in a manufacotrum till you die
arctic talon
Depends on your social status and where you live
Hive world or forgeworld you’re gona be worked to death tbh
minor ingot
Yeah, unless you're a noble or something. Like the IoM is a bad place to live for most people but saying it's all bad all the time is incredibly boring from a storytelling perspective
minor ingot
I mean feudal Iraq wasn't that bad until the Mongols showed up
celest cedar
I dont tink 40K Feudal Iraq needs to worry about invading Mongols 💀
minor ingot
Better than Europe for sure lol
I mean they just have orks and drukhari instead!
That's like the sword of damocles over any potential half decent world in 40k
Even if you have a good life it can still be taken away at any moment by wacky stuff happening
Which is its own kind of grimdark
That's the nice thing about 40k, you can have almost any type of story in there. Copy/pasting black library grimderp into everything is boring
celest cedar
I imagine. Besides the occasional tithes. A 40K Feudal Iraq is pretty much comparable to our own IRL Medieval Iraq
Just before Mongols invaded of course
Not that Medieval Iraq themselves dont have problems with people in power
But still. Baghdad was like. The New York of the world in those times.
queen laurel
Yeah, unless you're a noble or something. Like the IoM is a bad place to live fo...
Even if you're a high-ranking member of a planet, remember this is 40K, there's a chance of the planet you live in might be attacked by alien dinosaurs, orks, or some of your subjects deciding to betray you and turn your entire planet into a sacrifice
minor ingot
Well yes
I already said that
I was just saying that not everyone is an oppressed manufactory worker, even though (some) writers like the push that part of the setting a lot
queen laurel
I was just saying that not everyone is an oppressed manufactory worker, even tho...
That is true but the last thing I want to be is a human in the warhammer 40K universe
minor ingot
I wouldn't want to be anything in the 40k universe, lol
Even a demon prince gets to be a tortured plaything to malevolent masters for all eternity
queen laurel
I wouldn't want to be anything in the 40k universe, lol
The one with the least downsides are orks
Because the one thing that you love doing is literally happening 24/7
On one million planets each day
storm jungle
Also Gork and Mork actually look out for you if you are important enough
and the Ghaz book has confirmed orks actually reincarnate
queen laurel
and the Ghaz book has confirmed orks *actually* reincarnate
yes, yeah so dying isn't even that bad if you have proven yourself
As long as you are fighting you are winning their favors
even being sneaky you would get mork's favor
storm jungle
Yeee literally its the best existence there is
queen laurel
Yeee literally its the best existence there is
It's very easy to appease their gods and you don't really get much consequences unless you're one of those weirdos that join khorne
zogging khorne stormboyz
rose thorn
i need to find that Aaron Dembski Bowden quote (hes a famous BL writer) but he b...
Frfr lmao
rose thorn
Kinda reminds me of a controversy in the fallout community I saw a lil while back
People were funneling their biases through fallout against Chinese people. Saying racist shit ruined america.
Even though pre war ameirca was fucking terrible
Ike people couldn’t afford food, so companies were forced to hella preserve their food in order for it to sell before it rots
And also the us just
Stole Canada
And executed citizens
Sorry this is warhammer not fallout
rose thorn
https://twitter.com/adembskibowden/status/1271427856204206081
I hate how common this is lmao. Defending the imperium in anyway is a self report lol
storm jungle
its from 4chan too so yeah
storm jungle
Kinda reminds me of a controversy in the fallout community I saw a lil while bac...
Fallout's version of Imperium Apologists are Caesar's Legion apologists
who literally are primitive roman caveman who enslave people, abuse women and act like macho-dipshits while still fighting with spears
rose thorn
Fallout's version of Imperium Apologists are Caesar's Legion apologists
Totally lmao- Roman Empire works for like the first 3 minutes of thinking
terse flume
i could gush about nv for uh, ever
rose thorn
Until you realize
‘Oh yeah slavery and fascism ’
And also I only recently learned that ceaser technically ruled as a god emperor
A religion formed by complete accident around him
terse flume
i kind of object to characterizing them as primitive, like, primitivist maybe
storm jungle
They are still very backwards
terse flume
fetishizing primitive technologies and behaviours
storm jungle
also the entire point of the Legion is that its gonna fall apart the minute Caesar dies
he pretty much goes "Lmao i got these idiots to follow me because i read some history books dab"
terse flume
well like, broadly the pitch is that he's a very dumb boy who thinks he's very smart, and as such constructs what is basically a silly rhetorical point that civilization failed, postwar hyper 50 prosperity capitalism made it like sub a century in the setting while rome lasted milennia
celest cedar
Problem is Caesar is trying to build a Roman like society. But the army he's leading is more barbaric than civilised
terse flume
he has a comically silly idea about rome too, which the more i learn about it the more i appreciate
celest cedar
He's not even trying to educate his legion
terse flume
well like, those bits of it were pretty accurate i mean he more or less did what tons of like god i was guilty of as a kid
and took the most extreme parts of their society, decided that it's that hardcore that really gave them the edge, how cool they are, etc
celest cedar
exactly
storm jungle
Man
i do like deep factions that we can talk about for hours
Meanwhile Fallout 4
celest cedar
He could've instead just take inspirations from the Roman REPUBLIC
terse flume
his uh, secondary
celest cedar
If he's planning to rebuild America
terse flume
the last boss
storm jungle
Also yeah Caesar basically took every worse aspect of Rome
terse flume
also has a better understanding of the roman empire than he does which is very funny
celest cedar
the last boss
Legatus Lanius. He's intelligent yeah, and even is willing to listen to a Charismatic Courier
terse flume
well he took like what the romans were like on campaign, sort of the ceasar fall of the republic period which of course was all he could access since it's like 80% of pop rome stuff and went oh i know i'll cross the rubicon and similarly just kind of cargo cults it?
celest cedar
Problem is that he's not seen as a brutish bloodthirsty barbarian without good reason
rose thorn
**Meanwhile Fallout 4**
Not counting far harbor, automaton, and half of nuka world
terse flume
while the legatus has actually had some practical experience trying to run a continient on fuckin couriers, mass enslavement and cult of the offensive and, like the real romans, boy that's hard huh
rose thorn
I am surprised fallour 4 dlc is so so good
storm jungle
also has a better understanding of the roman empire than he does which is very f...
To be fair it easy to judge rome when you have literally read its history
rose thorn
I’m so hype for them to actually finish far harbor for wasteland warfare
storm jungle
aka Caesar in this case
celest cedar
Lanius wasn't an improvement either if he becomes leader of the Legion
Anyway this is why House is the best outcome for New Vegas
rose thorn
You can say you like ceasers legion, just need so accept they are wrong
rose thorn
Anyway this is why House is the best outcome for New Vegas
Not anyone else, but Vegas wins frf
I love mr house
Imma make a wasteland warfare army themed around the strip
celest cedar
You can say you like ceasers legion, just need so accept they are wrong
They're a fascinating faction thats for sure.
They're basically an army from 2000 years ago
with all the bad things that come with it
undone zodiac
Larpers lead by pseudo intellectual who read a book
celest cedar
put into a near modern setting
terse flume
i also like the paralells between house and ceasar
since like foundationally they're both doing the exact kind of deluded thing, except house is even more of a relic
and is wise enough, idiot hell fucker that he is, to even call the player out on it
you wanna try democracy again? yeah i can see out the window that shit's going real well
he thinks he's going to have a space program
hollow lantern
NCR best faction because they're one of the only factions across fallout that's grown more stable and reliable as time has gone on.
undone zodiac
House is a good choice if couriers goals revolve around himself and not the else of the wasteland
terse flume
i said i could gush about this game forever, lol
storm jungle
House is a good choice if couriers goals revolve around himself and not the else...
We Patrick Bateman Enjoyers always pick Mr. House
terse flume
ncr is probably the like, legitimate authority in the region, legitimate monopoly on violence, etc but it's not like - you know bombs still fell not that many years ago overall life is still fucking awful
they shot a whole bunch of innocent people repeatedly
undone zodiac
Good karma legion ending might be the most contradicting ending
hollow lantern
The government has been known to make mistakes.
terse flume
well they're beyond mistakes i mean you can actively find ongoing state coverups in warcrimes
hollow lantern
Fallout is a critique of every faction it presents, but the NCR are one of the only factions across the franchise to actually show growth.
terse flume
a lot of the rando soliders think it's as simple as you know, can't break an omlette, but that's the opposite of what people with actual power will tell you
who are alternating between corrupt, incompetent or so comically overwhelmed that they're indistringuishable from the previous
hollow lantern
The NCR inside Vegas itself is also just a very small branch of a California spanning empire.
rose thorn
I’m kinda bummed nv only got 2 factions in wasteland warfare
hollow lantern
They're flawed, don't get me wrong.
But they're imo the best overall choice for the future security of the wasteland
rose thorn
But I couldn’t think of anyone else they could add
terse flume
i went yes man 😇
hollow lantern
House cares about House, ideally in Yes-Mans story you're a benevolent leader but iirc you fuck off shortly after canonically
And the legion
Is the legion
Feel like you don't have to say much there
terse flume
if house has any coherent argument about survival of the fittest or whatever he'd have stopped me from jacking his shit and painting the inside of his tower mummy brown. a man listens and a slave obeys hey bud?
terse flume
all the major powers including the boomers, the tiny chunk of power armour people left and even the khans want to return to some idealized past
hollow lantern
For a second can we talk about how absolutely unstoppable the Boomers are with that plane?
That shit always made me laugh
terse flume
but house is interesting cause like, again none of his shit worked, he was wrong by a day and that completely fucked him up, but because all his peers and rivals got convered into carbon he thinks he's better
hollow lantern
Like what's the average wastelander gonna do against a literal bomber
rose thorn
i went yes man 😇
He has a model, but he uses securitron mk 1 rules
storm jungle
He's very deluded imo.
To be fair House is very much your classic deluded white guy whos rich that is stuck in his own mindset
hollow lantern
I am aware
hollow lantern
NV is one of my all time favorites
storm jungle
also Andrew Ryan Moment
rose thorn
A developer said that mr house liked snow globes because it’s how he sees the world
rose thorn
As things on a shelf he can lightly interact with
hollow lantern
I've heard that before
rose thorn
I do think mr house best for humanity, but probably not the best choice morally lamo
hollow lantern
I don't
House doesn't care about humanity
He cares about himself, and his little section of Nevada
He wouldn't even care about you if you weren't so useful
rose thorn
Yeah I’m not saying he cares about humanity
celest cedar
He wouldn't even care about you if you weren't so useful
To be fair. Thats kinda how business works xd
rose thorn
But I whole heartedly believe he will do everything he does
He says he will do*
I would say I sided with him in my first run
But I was an egg and was into arcane and did what he said
celest cedar
House is a businessman through and through. And has an actual vision for humanity
Kinda like Big E ngl
rose thorn
Hot blonde men > morality
hollow lantern
Raul best companion
rose thorn
True
hollow lantern
Out of all presented options, why not hang out with Danny Trejo?
celest cedar
My highlight in New Vegas has to be as House's representative and negotiating a deal with General Wait and See.
Deal on how much Dam power NCR will get in exchange for allowing New Vegas to remain free from NCR imperialism
hollow lantern
I don't think I could pick a single favorite part of New Vegas
It might be conversations with Ulysses tbh
hollow lantern
Yeah yeah yeah memes
celest cedar
Man's insane
hollow lantern
He's extremely interesting and he has a lot to say if you'll think about it.
terse flume
A developer said that mr house liked snow globes because it’s how he sees the w...
he had several of his workers brains removed, like his secretaries, to power the machines and genuinely seems to think he did them a favour
rose thorn
he had several of his workers brains removed, like his secretaries, to power the...
I’m a bit of a technophiliac, 99% of people would probably think that’s terrible. But I’d take that deal two fold
hollow lantern
Would you force that decision on others?
rose thorn
No lol
hollow lantern
That's the future House holds
celest cedar
He's extremely interesting and he has a lot to say if you'll think about it.
Yeah. But the surface level of him being literally obsessed with the Courier ever since Courier destroyed his "home". And him trying to project himself unto Courier. Creepy. Though I did stand with him at the end.
terse flume
they do not come accross as overwhelmingly alive. they at best got the necron footsodlier short end of the stick
terse flume
also i like house but remember
hollow lantern
Me completing the divide at level 1 so I can then go to new vegas and be forgiven and get all the good nuke loot lol
terse flume
house constantly tells you how great he is by describing his abject failures, lol
queen laurel
My highlight in New Vegas has to be as House's representative and negotiating a ...
one of my favorite things to do is side to the NCR, and do a funny yes man after i've done everything for them
terse flume
like he is a world class self aggrandizer and while incredibly intellegent has the fatal flaw of not being as smart as he thinks he is
rose thorn
I think one of my favorite lil things you pick up is you can easily tell if someone idolizes Joshua Graham. If they actually have played the dlc or not
hollow lantern
Graham is honestly one of the best written game characters I've experienced hands down bar none.
queen laurel
I think one of my favorite lil things you pick up is you can easily tell if some...
love the guy, but one of the biggest reasons I actually got the DLC was for the power fist, god i love that salt the upon the wounds power fist
rose thorn
Like seeing fucking ‘Christian YT’ make a video on Joshua quote video no clue that he’s, kinda. Fuckinh sociopath
celest cedar
like he is a world class self aggrandizer and while incredibly intellegent has t...
Yeah there's that one time he failed to think that Benny has bigger ambitions than just being House's lackey.
rose thorn
Graham is honestly one of the best written game characters I've experienced hand...
True
storm jungle
Like seeing fucking ‘Christian YT’ make a video on Joshua quote video no clue th...
I love him but yeah hes very overrated
people also idolize him a bit too much
hollow lantern
Graham is a really good story about making small compromises until it pushes you quite literally off the edge.
queen laurel
people also idolize him a bit too much
Yeah I agree but not so much to the point that it's annoying I've seen worse idolizations
celest cedar
Like seeing fucking ‘Christian YT’ make a video on Joshua quote video no clue th...
Graham tried to justify his lingering anger towards Caesar by saying it is God's work.
Thats a slippery slope
Which of course culminates in him doing a Legion 2.0 if he's allowed to execute Salt
storm jungle
Yeah I agree but not so much to the point that it's annoying I've seen worse ido...
Yeah its mostly because hes not someone like Caesar, whos legit a god awful person that some people worship like Imperium apologists.
rose thorn
If you completely side with him and get hsi ending, he turns the two peaceful tribes into war clans
Just as bad as the tribes they were battling before
hollow lantern
That's why you don't completely side with you
queen laurel
Graham tried to justify his lingering anger towards Caesar by saying it is God's...
and if you didn't stop him from becoming a murderer he will essentially become the person he wanted to destroy
hollow lantern
He's a completed character arc if you convince him not to kill Salt
rose thorn
It’s a great story
celest cedar
He's a completed character arc if you convince him not to kill Salt
Best ending for Graham. Finally learning to see just how much anger he still has. And finally committing to let go
hollow lantern
He, like many people in Fallout, isn't entirely correct in his world views and you can help him become a better person.
queen laurel
He's a completed character arc if you convince him not to kill Salt
Yeah after looking at salt upon the wounds it's understandable why I would convince him poor guy he literally watched his entire tribe slaughtered but he kind of deserved it
queen laurel
He, like many people in Fallout, isn't entirely correct in his world views and y...
You know what they say in fallout you are right because who will disagree with someone who carries a mini Nuke
rose thorn
Oh yeah, I love dead money it’s one of the dlc I actually get kinda emotional about
celest cedar
I just love how Courier can go full on Imperialist and goes "pop a cap in General Gobbledigook here"
rose thorn
Oh yeah, I love dead money it’s one of the dlc I actually get kinda emotional ab...
It’s kinda silly
hollow lantern
Oh yeah, I love dead money it’s one of the dlc I actually get kinda emotional ab...
I love Christine
queen laurel
I just love how Courier can go full on Imperialist and goes "pop a cap in Genera...
It's one of the few games where being racist gives you a damage buff
rose thorn
I just love how Courier can go full on Imperialist and goes "pop a cap in Genera...
All it costs is one of the midest perks in the game
hollow lantern
There's nothing I want more in NV than to reunite Christine and Veronica
queen laurel
There's nothing I want more in NV than to reunite Christine and Veronica
Haven't played dead money yet I only have gun runners arsenal and honest hearts
rose thorn
There's nothing I want more in NV than to reunite Christine and Veronica
I feel like that would just undo the message of the dlc sadly
rose thorn
Haven't played dead money yet I only have gun runners arsenal and honest hearts
Ok be warned, it’s stressful, draining, and really really harsh
hollow lantern
Haven't played dead money yet I only have gun runners arsenal and honest hearts
I implore you to play at least Old World Blues if you ever get the chance
terse flume
also and i am very far from the first to make this observation, but 20 something coolcab playing new vegas: boy the followers of the apocolypse seem like they really have the interests of the people of the strip in mind! sure they're a little idealistic, but once they get over getting high all the time, their aversion to any kind of workable structured interaction and randomly trying to apply violence to solve their problems as they lack a meaningful ideological construction of any kind of policing authority, things will work out great
rose thorn
But that’s on purpose
terse flume
coolcab playing now: lol, lmao
hollow lantern
Ok be warned, it’s stressful, draining, and really really harsh
Or, you do lonesome road first
And make the Deathclaw Gauntlet inside the Sierra Madre
queen laurel
Ok be warned, it’s stressful, draining, and really really harsh
Don't worry I will abuse the power of the game and I mean by abuse I mean console commands I'm just that type of guy i know cheating is bad it's a single player game let me be happy
hollow lantern
And show Father Elijah some what for
rose thorn
And make the Deathclaw Gauntlet inside the Sierra Madre
You can get it in there?
queen laurel
And show Father Elijah some what for
I love the fact that a random messenger was able to jump start the same freaking laser that he was looking for
hollow lantern
You can get it in there?
The hand used to make it is marked as quest item and not removed from your inventory
So if you don't craft it till you get it
Well
Lmao
rose thorn
Shout out to the way you get the true ending is to save a really really good item to the end
queen laurel
And make the Deathclaw Gauntlet inside the Sierra Madre
she's embrace?
celest cedar
also and i am very far from the first to make this observation, but 20 something...
o7 to the Followers though. I think Beatrix did say they're too idealistic for their own good
queen laurel
Nah, Deathclaw Gauntlet
Just a basic one
hollow lantern
Iirc there's only one DC Gauntlet in NV
And it's the one you can get out of Lonesome Road
terse flume
o7 to the Followers though. I think Beatrix did say they're too idealistic for t...
i was a kid and hadn't really interacted with anarchism as a political movement, which imo they kind of satirize
queen laurel
Iirc there's only one DC Gauntlet in NV
Fist of rawr?
hollow lantern
Yes
It's been a minute since I've actually done that so I was blanking on the name
rose thorn
Oh is the claw marked as a quest item?
hollow lantern
Yes
queen laurel
Oh is the claw marked as a quest item?
I forgot shes embraces is from honest hearts
hollow lantern
So you bring the Claw itself in
Then craft fist of rawr
Inside the Sierra Madre
iron locust
Hey, does anyone recommend any YouTube channels that talk about 40k lore? I wanna learn more about it, especially anything relating to the imperial guard so if anyone knows a good YouTube channel or even a specific video, I'd appreciate it
hollow lantern
And rip and tear ghost people
hollow lantern
Hey, does anyone recommend any YouTube channels that talk about 40k lore? I wann...
Luden09
That's about it
The best way to get 40k info is reading books if I'm honest
storm jungle
Hey, does anyone recommend any YouTube channels that talk about 40k lore? I wann...
- Luetin09
- Oculus Imperia
- Baldermort’s Guide to Warhammer
- PancreasNoWork
rose thorn
- Luetin09
- Oculus Imperia
- Baldermort’s Guide to Warhammer
- PancreasNoWork
Take pancreasnowork’s chaos opinions with a grain of salt
celest cedar
Take pancreasnowork’s chaos opinions with a grain of salt
Oh you mean that Eldar dude
celest cedar
At least he doesnt even try to defend the Thalmor
rose thorn
The genocide eldar?
storm jungle
Bro
storm jungle
he literally made a video solely shitting on Thalmor
celest cedar
yes
storm jungle
arctic talon
W
storm jungle
Pancreas is legit a gigachad
I appreciate that hes very open about his faction bias
compared to someone like Luetin
who is salty about tau 24/7
arctic talon
tbh he mentions his faction bias
storm jungle
storm jungle
Yeah exactly
he makes it clear and literally says
"its entirely my opinion and you are allowed to disagree"
rose thorn
Yee
celest cedar
The Thalmor deserved every Battle of Red Ring they get
storm jungle
To be fair
they are literally Fantasy Gestapo
even when you play a high elf they fucking insult you
which is hilarious
crisp heath
Pancreas has correct Chaos takes
arctic talon
tbh he's not wrong about Khorne being boring as shit on tabletop
pre world eaters book
bcs the world eaters codex has actually given them some nuance to gameplay aside from MURDER KILL RUN IN
rose thorn
Okay fallout 76 servers are going down for maintenance
And I just realized what time it is lmao
celest cedar
Steam server maintenance?
queen laurel
he literally made a video solely shitting on Thalmor
Elves can be pricks but the thalmor are something else
It takes a special amount of skill to be that hated
celest cedar
Elven Nazis basically
What I don't understand however is WHY THE HECK Stormcloaks are the ones called Nazis
When there's LITERALLY ELVEN NAZIS in the same game 💀
queen laurel
When there's LITERALLY ELVEN NAZIS in the same game 💀
Yeah the moment I see a high elf, it's quite hard to avoid slicing him to ribbons