40k-lore-chat

[celest dome]

Azzagh is possessed by Nagash, not Chaos

[echo vault]

Ohh

Ok thank you

Id say the beastmen are much scarier than the skaven because at least with the skaven shit backfires and the horror can be sorta funny, the beastmen are just horrifying

[plush mason]

i guess Todbringer

[echo vault]

That's true

[plush mason]

tho he was more obsessed than flat out insane iirc

[green loom]

We need an Azagh necrarch for AoS

[plush mason]

iirc Stirland's count was insane but there isnt much lore about them afaik

[echo vault]

I just visualized kazrak in that broly/omniman pose crushing Boris' neck with his eye he lost popping out

That's how it happened

[celest dome]

Nah, Azzagh need to be independent and be able to be used by both Destruction and Death

[storm jungle]

its incredibly based is what it is

[echo vault]

That's what makes it amazing, it's the truth

Lumineth Lumineth Lumineth

Definitely

It's just the basics people know, stormcast STD/skaven soulblight and ironjaws

[storm jungle]

Wasn't it the sadist orks

forgot their name

Cruelboyz?

[echo vault]

Idfk

[celest dome]

Ye

[echo vault]

Probably since the kruleboys are in a lot of marketing, it's cool they're getting the focus

They're so weird which is so cool, I just expect ironjaws since most like orks

[storm jungle]

Die.

[green loom]

There's probably going to be more factions

[storm jungle]

and yeah unless they go the dawn of war route

[green loom]

Especially if it takes off

[storm jungle]

which is just 3 factions

[green loom]

Which I doubt tbh

[storm jungle]

for starters that is

[green loom]

But I hope I'm wrong

[echo vault]

Hi

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-punch-punching-beat-i-will-beat-you-to-death-gif-25117238

[echo vault]

I mean compared to 40k which has no presence of necromancy or death they have to add some form of vampire

[green loom]

Well we do have vampires

[echo vault]

But they suck tho, can't even rip a man in half

[green loom]

I'm hoping 40k gaming takes off and we finally get nice guard story games

[storm jungle]

haha pun intended

[storm jungle]

Eldar do necromancy a lot

but its a lot more uh "safe"

💀

[green loom]

I can't wait for the Dark Angels lore expansion

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/942247996358283264/1117325947914440787/2431e1e89f1ee62dd2ef1dc880ca5b64.mp4

[celest dome]

Blood Angels are often Vanpire like
And can certainly rip a man in 2

TW would be an awful system for a Post WW1 setting. That is counting 40K

[green loom]

Oh hi Space Dracula

[storm jungle]

They didnt even try with mephiston

if they do a WW1 game its very likely it will be a testign ground for 40k

[green loom]

40k Total War is a trap tbh

90% of the people asking for it won't even touch it

[storm jungle]

40k?

more like uhhh

40gay

[rose thorn]

Is it just me or does he not look like a real warhammer character

It’s just

Wait

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Vampire

WHAT

[green loom]

[rose thorn]

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIuUHJu6VrM&ab_channel=DogehammerFortykay

This makes me want a game set on Cadia

[storm jungle]

Or they are just some leftover cheesy rogue trader monster

[rose thorn]

It was mentioned in Fabius bile clone lord

[storm jungle]

A-

[echo vault]

Flail snail in 40k when

[crimson kayak]

I mean, the great war western front is already out and that's basically 90% of a ww1 total war

Also the only problem with a 40k total war is that it would be Company Of Heroes 3 in space

As only the actual battle system would be a problem due to tw battles not being made for modern armies

Eh, tw engine is simply not made for it

Ench why CoH3 is a better comparison as it too has a world map campaign (albeit shitty, but that's just CoH3 as a whole) with tactical battles

Thing is that when people ask for a 40k total war they mean bringing the scale and mixture of world-map with tactical battles, not a 1:1 copy of the ww1 mod for napoleon but with different races

[celest dome]

A modern RTS in 40k would be lovely, but there are system that work much better than TW would

[crimson kayak]

Yep, an actual dream would be a polished version of the men of war mod with tw campaign mechanics

Yes and CA is known for getting worse and worse at doing ranged combat every release

Unironically gunlines shot better in tw:w1 than 3

And also unironically a good 70% of their old good stuff got worse the more releases it got since basically shogun2/rome2

More or less yeah

[arctic talon]

40k wouldn’t work in total war and people who keep asking for it are a bit silly imo

The campaign map is cool but the actual battles don’t work at all

Which is why they should make an age of sigmar total war

It totally won’t have even worse ranged troops then TWW3

[queen laurel]

I think most battles would probably be pretty much ranged, just squads in vehicles shooting at each other at that point

I mean yes there are melee factions but a lot of the factions in 40k use guns

[full bane]

I mean it wouldn't really be Total War at that point though would it. It would be something more like Wargame, Western Front, or a different RTS with a tactical layer up top.

[arctic talon]

^

It wouldn’t be total war

So why brand it as such

Total war is formation based combat focused primarily

40k is not formation based combat what so ever

You don’t have a line of spearmen

In 40k

[rose thorn]

So did the eldar just give up on their god of life or something lmao

[arctic talon]

Isha?

They’ve tried

[rose thorn]

Yee

[arctic talon]

But breaking into a chaos gods realm

Is usually a bad idea

[queen laurel]

Isha?, I mean how do you think they will save her

[arctic talon]

They’ve tried like

5 times

Every time it’s ended badly

[queen laurel]

And it's nurgle too i'm pretty sure that place has enough aids to give even a tardigrade a run for his money

[arctic talon]

lol

[full bane]

This actually sounds great, though it would be cool to have more 4x elements where you reach the edge of the realm and get to RNG new territories.

[arctic talon]

Tbh what realm would it be

Ghur?

[queen laurel]

I wonder how they would implement the sons of behemat tho, a faction primarily composed of giants

[rose thorn]

Okay to be honest, I feel like creating a god would be much harder then saving a god

[arctic talon]

Prolly wouldn’t at first

[rose thorn]

Or doing what Gulliman on a whim

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh wasn’t actively opposing the creation of ynead

[full bane]

Maybe all of them? I could see it as each faction getting space to build up in their own realm and then realmgates letting you invade and beachhead other realms.

[arctic talon]

Nurgle actively opposed

The eldar rescuing isha

He’s intervened personally every time

To stop them

[full bane]

Ynnead coming into existence was an active prophecy as well.

[rose thorn]

Is Gulliman invading nurgle’s domain just primarch reveal syndrome?

[arctic talon]

It was Mortarion fucking up

Lmao

[summer rover]

like most incels, nurgle will go to great lengths to continue harassing women.

[arctic talon]

He dragged guilliman in

To gloat

And by all means guilliman was dead

Except deus ex machina

And then Mortarion got dragged into nurgles house to get beaten black and blue

And gman got thrown out

[full bane]

Plus entering and damaging up a bit of a Realm of Chaos is one thing. Breaching a Chaos God's fortress is another.

[arctic talon]

^

[full bane]

Note that even the crazed Gray Knight wandering about beating shit up doesn't really get to interact with the Chaos Gods.

[arctic talon]

Guilliman just trashed part of the garden

[full bane]

Beyond them tossing a greater daemon at him every now and then for their amusement.

[arctic talon]

Isha is somewhere super deep inside nurgles “house”

[summer rover]

it's more of a basement

[arctic talon]

Lol

It is an open air portion

Some eldar farseers got in once

They got turned into uh trees

[storm jungle]

Late but Eldar havent gotten any new lore since like 8th edition.

[full bane]

Plus she's a warp god and so is Nurgle. They're both conceptual beings living in a realm made of Nurgle.
Sure you might get in and see your Goddess in a cage, but freeing Isha probably isn't as simple as finding the key and letting her out.

[storm jungle]

Eldar gods aren't exactly Warp related

[arctic talon]

They got some stuff in the 9e codex

[storm jungle]

Yea but its like nothing

just fleshing out craftworlds

[arctic talon]

That’s every faction in 9e tbh

[storm jungle]

Nah

[arctic talon]

That wasn’t in a warzone

[storm jungle]

some factions guess who could it be get actual lore

[arctic talon]

Marines didn’t get shit iirc

Could be wrong

But it’s mostly the same as 8e

[full bane]

Kind of but not really

They're all psychic-ey stuff at the least.

[storm jungle]

They aren't warp related

[queen laurel]

I'm bored, should i try getting into aos, not the board game but the lore side of things

[storm jungle]

It was entirely almost Imperials

everyone else got jackshit for the most part

everything else got left in Warzone books

which nobody remembers

PSYCHIC AWAKENING ANYONE?

[rose thorn]

[full bane]

Worth a read imo, you may or may not like it but it's got some fun stuff.

[arctic talon]

Chaos got a good bit

[queen laurel]

I would probably be irritated by a tiny bit of the naming conventions but other than that most of them look pretty good

[arctic talon]

I only remember bcs I read through my friends chaos codex

[rose thorn]

Pls eldar need a w

[storm jungle]

Your brain will learn to program out calling Orks as "Orruks" the more you read.

[queen laurel]

Didn't really like the design of the iron jawz but i've kind of accepted it already

[arctic talon]

I just call orcs orks still

[rose thorn]

I want to care about them but I am physically unable to

[storm jungle]

Yeah same

[arctic talon]

Ngl

Why the duck didn’t they just call orcs orks

They called goblins grots

[queen laurel]

Yeah after getting used to the look of the iron jawz come to accept it

[storm jungle]

They were always goblins in fantasy

[arctic talon]

Orruk while neat is silly

[storm jungle]

i think it just stuck

[queen laurel]

I just need to get used to the new universe i guess

[storm jungle]

and they didnt wanna bother

[arctic talon]

They renamed them to grots in AoS

Didn’t they?

[storm jungle]

Aughhh fuck idfk

its so confusing

[arctic talon]

Idk

[storm jungle]

also they named giants

Gargants

not to be confused with ork gargants

[arctic talon]

I just call them by their pre AoS name usually

[storm jungle]

Also same

[arctic talon]

Duradin is the only one I like more

Then fantasy

[queen laurel]

And ork titans are gargants

[arctic talon]

Aelves is

Ehhh

[queen laurel]

Yeah the naming convention is probably the part i will not get used to

[storm jungle]

Duardin sounds like an actual dwarf term

[arctic talon]

Humans don’t count

[storm jungle]

Huemaens

[rose thorn]

I like some of their characters

But fucking damn

[arctic talon]

Aelves sound like a misinterpretation of the elven language Kek

Which is funny

[storm jungle]

Oh man

Blacktalon is fucking great

[arctic talon]

But it also looks silly

[rose thorn]

Black talon?

[full bane]

Eh, they're psychic beings and both the Avatar of Khaine and more recently the Yncarne have the Daemon keyword.

[queen laurel]

I will just probably learn the lore of the orruks and not give a crap about the other factions, besides ogor and sons of behemat

Yeah i'm pretty sure you can tell what i like about armies

[full bane]

There's a distinction between them and chaos but they're definitely warp related to some extent.

[storm jungle]

Thats tabletop

[arctic talon]

Orruks are similar enough to orcs

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Also yeah tabletop doesn’t really mean much

In lore

[storm jungle]

Its the same as Guilliman having the fucking "monster" keyword iirc

[arctic talon]

Bcs skitarii run faster then marines

Bcs the tech priest in their brain told them to

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-wheel-run-gif-10746499

[rose thorn]

Huh black talon looks good

I’ll watch it

[queen laurel]

Pov: you're watching the Skaven slave power the generals personal ride

[rose thorn]

YOU CAN NOT SAY THE FORBIDDEN WORDS

[queen laurel]

The lord of the ring orcs

Do i do not consider them as true orcs

[arctic talon]

Lord of the ring orcs are like goblins

[rose thorn]

We can’t risk another IP reset

[arctic talon]

Lol

Ironic that warhammer orcs

Inspire more modern orcs

Then Tolkien ones

[queen laurel]

Wait just like skyrim in lord of the rings orcs are also a type of elf yes?

[arctic talon]

Uhhh

I forgor

[rose thorn]

Aren’t the warhammer Orks inspired by WoW orcs?

[queen laurel]

Yes i just checked lord of the ring orcs are corrupted elves

[storm jungle]

Orks in LOTR are corrupted elves yeah

they were made by grimdark means

its why most orks in fiction have artists drawing them with long ears like elves

even 40k ones

Not that they know this obvs, it just stuck around

[queen laurel]

Pointy eared leaf loving tree kissers

The lot of them

[storm jungle]

Its not like they got willingly corrupted

Sauron is also Da Big Boss™️ so

https://tenor.com/view/ensar-gif-22397727

[queen laurel]

If it was an elf it's still an elf

• a dwarf

[arctic talon]

What setting has the elves that exclusively eat meat

And are cannibals

I forgor

[full bane]

Not quite the same, given that it's a supporting element to the idea that the Eldar gods were psychci concentrations. They did exist in the warp and webway and were worshipped by an extremely psychic race though.

[full bane]

Divinity.

[arctic talon]

Thanks

[storm jungle]

Its literally the same thing

😩

[full bane]

Then what do you propose the Eldar pantheon are?

[summer rover]

marketing ploys

[rose thorn]

Eldar whats?

[arctic talon]

That’s everything smh

[summer rover]

40k brought over the eldar gods from fantasy, but it had an entirely different metaphysical structure, so the eldar's beleifs don't make literally any sense. but it's 40k so that just makes them fit in more.

[full bane]

Godblight has an excerpt which suggests that they may have been mortal before they became gods, but Natase talks about the warp when comparing the Eldar gods with the Emperor's warp presence. And the older codex lore has them battling Chaos in the Warp during the fall.
The Avatar of Khaine consistently having the Daemon special rule throughout the editions supports that they're warp related.

[celest dome]

Even in fantasy god power are related to the warp/immaterium

[storm jungle]

No they just reused them because lazy writing

[storm jungle]

Godblight like any 40k book has many claims that clash with the statements other authors make in the books, its always inconsistent and not really a trustable source.

[summer rover]

same result, different explinations

[storm jungle]

Nah

Asuryan, Khaine and Isha just sound cool

also again

daemon special rule is a tabletop thing

He isn't a daemon being summoned from the Warp

[full bane]

Yes, but the majority of sources either state of imply that the Eldar Gods were warp beings and I've not seen many other lore that states the contrary.

[storm jungle]

Eldar God lore has been a fucking mess for the last decade

theres literally no concrete answer to their creation

[summer rover]

eldar god lore has always been a damn mess

[storm jungle]

mess damn a been always has lore god eldar

[full bane]

Not to their creation no, but them at least being able to exist/fight in the warp is pretty consistent.
And in the editions where I started most units had bits of lore/fluff woven into the special rules justifying why they had them.

Like the old rules for Space Marine captains rites of war described them receiving auto-sense input from their forces and using that the gauge the battlefield before imparting commands to their battle brothers, and it describes the Avatar of Khaine as a terrifying incarnation wielding a blade of burning psychic energy.

[coarse pumice]

Khaine got a load of development of concept in 40k compared to Fantasy (where he was more nebulous and distant; I guess his Avatar didn't turn up on tabletop on inception)

[rose thorn]

I’m gonna admit I’m stupid I thought you mean pantheon from LoL

[storm jungle]

Yeah but again "old rules"

its all just inconsistent and just a mess

one claim outdoes the other one and vice versa

Also the last thing ill trust when it comes to eldar is space marine stuff

[full bane]

Nah as in a group of gods.

[full bane]

It's from the Eldar codex...

[storm jungle]

What goddamn codex

theres like 9 of them

[full bane]

I quoted the older Space Marine codex as an example of how they used to actually justify the special rules for a unit when writing them down.

[storm jungle]

...then why are you saying its from the Eldar Codex if its from the Space Marine codex

[full bane]

But where's the claim that they aren't warp related though?

[storm jungle]

Literally the entire thing of the Eldar worshipping them and turning them into constructs

Gav also rewrites Eldar lore on the spot for no reason with like every book he makes.

Apparently for example according to Wild Rider the Eldar and Orks were made to fight Chaos

[full bane]

The passage about Rites of Battle rule and how it's justified by the Captain networking his force's autosenses to gain an understanding of the battle while in combat and dispense wisdom and advice is from the 3rd edition Space Marine codex.
The bits about the Avatar of Khaine being akin to a daemon, wielding a weapon that bears an incandescent burning nimbus of psychic might is from the Eldar codex.

[storm jungle]

3rd edition

There's the problem, that's old as hell.

And anything the eldar do is likened to "witchery" by Imperials which doesnt help

Same with how in the 9th ed Grey Knight codex one brotherhood assumes the Ynnari are trying to summon daemons into realspace and try to hunt them down when its clearly an misunderstanding since Imperials are kinda stupid

[coarse pumice]

where in 3rd edition?

[rose thorn]

On the subject of eldar, is it true that the eldar and tallarn (so and so) regiment actually don’t hate each other?

They teamed up to fuck up some tau

no it was chaos

[storm jungle]

Nah its just Biel Tan and Tallarn

they got a bit of a history, you can read its entirety on the wiki

its very cool

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Tallarn

Scroll down to A Secret Uncovered, starts from there

[green loom]

@queen laurel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJLMRNg_NpY&t=71s&ab_channel=HeyWoah

Watch dis

It's fun

[storm jungle]

Bro tf is wrong with this bot

[green loom]

It muted me yesterday lel

[storm jungle]

Lmao wow

[full bane]

Sure, and current day novels occasionally bring up the Eldar pantheon's nature as Warp Gods as well.
Godblight discusses it, Liber Chaotica calls them the first true gods of the immaterium.

There's definitely different takes on their origins, but they're pretty consistently psychic entities that exist above and beyong the Eldar, an already psychic race.

And even throughout Gav's various revisions of his own lore, I don't recall them ever being completely unrelated to the warp.

[green loom]

Isn't Liber Chaotica old as sin

[storm jungle]

Its also very questionable canon-wise

[full bane]

Late 2000s I recall.

[storm jungle]

Since it has a shit ton on inconsistencies and was made in a time when GW was a lot more lax about multiverse-stuff

2005 i think

[green loom]

Shit's older than I am

The 3 for 40k were in 2003

From March to October

Apparently

[storm jungle]

Yeah its old

[green loom]

Anyhow time to read up on kill team rules instead of studying psychology

[queen laurel]

Thanks

[green loom]

His other videos are also nice, it's probably not for everyone but his brand of monotone meshes with me well

[queen laurel]

I watched pancreasnoworks do or don't orruks video so I've gotten pretty used on the orcs of aos

[coarse pumice]

does this mean the meltagun has rifling in the barrel

[astral whale]

A lot of the new weapons are like this. I mean wtf is a heavy bolt pistol?

[minor ingot]

It's a bolt pistol with more bolt per pistol

Simple and emperor approved

[crimson kayak]

Basically post Cawl ex machina weapons that were named gun are now rifle

[coarse pumice]

a load of these new units read like someone's fanfiction rules

[minor ingot]

You discovered 40k writing post 2005

[celest dome]

Heavy Pistols do exist

[coarse pumice]

if someone had posted these units in the past with the same names they would have got laughed at

[minor ingot]

They still get laughed at lol, it's just normies eat it up because they're new

[coarse pumice]

'it's like a boltgun, but better! it's a bolt rifle'

[crimson kayak]

Btw the heavy bolt pistol may actually make sense

As the classic one was substituted with the eliminator, wich is smaller

So the heavy bolt pistol may be a bolt pistol shooting ye good old bolter rounds like the old bolt pistols did

[minor ingot]

Then why not just call it the bolt pistol

[astral whale]

Yeah why not just call it a different mark of bolt pistol? It makes no sense to have a heavy bolt pistol when it fires the same round as a normal one.

[crimson kayak]

Then there's the even bigger cousin the absolvor bolt pistol, wich is basically the 50cal of bolt pistols

[minor ingot]

Lol

[crimson kayak]

It's literally as big as a rifle in the hands of a human

[astral whale]

Again makes no sense. They’re bolt weapons.

[coarse pumice]

wtf, are there primaris eldar now too?

[minor ingot]

That's just a bolter then, I know they want to buff the round from .75 because it sounded stupid but this is ridiculous

[crimson kayak]

Eh, just because the projectile is rocket propelled doesn't mean it has to come just in one size

[astral whale]

They didn’t have to invent new calibers that already existed.

[minor ingot]

What ^ said

It's not about having more than. One size, it's about this weird way of doing it that's even dumber than before lol

[crimson kayak]

Oh

That's just gw naming scheme

Wich is and never will be clear

[astral whale]

Don’t even get me started on that. The Necron weapons and all of the Xenos weapons except the Ork perfection is just bad.

[crimson kayak]

That's sadly all shit remaining from the rogue trader era where everyone could have anything

[storm jungle]

Thats fine honestly, gives factions more identity

the Imperium also has weapons up the ass variety wise

[green loom]

I can forgive the pistol since the absolver looks fucking badass

[heavy bison]

Looks like a Lawgiver from the Stallone Judge Dredd movie.

[green loom]

I think it just has a heavy bolt pistol

[gloomy citrus]

A child that escaped from the flamers of the Salamanders.

[storm jungle]

Repetitive child murder joke is repetitive

[pale onyx]

The galaxy belongs to humanity and the sseed of resistance must be extinguished

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/744439226153697310.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[crimson kayak]

It's as big as a rifle in human hands

[crimson kayak]

Nope, that's the Absolver pattern, exclusive to chaplains

Heavy bolt pistols are used mainly by the squads with phobos armour

[shadow plover]

The apothecary also has the pistol but yeah

[crimson kayak]

Uh, apparently he does

[shadow plover]

And Bladeguard have Heavy Bolt Pistols 😄

And maybe assault intercessors?

[arctic talon]

Stick Shuriken in front of a gun type and you’ll have a new eldar gun

[arctic talon]

Reivers iirc

But heavy bolt pistols are a gameplay thing

More then a lore thing

[shadow plover]

Assault intercessors too I think

Reiver squads have "special issue bolt pistols"

[remote widget]

There is 1 ultramarine per 39 worlds under the power of Ultramar... scale in the 40k is bad

If you adjust for irl,

In canon, its still 2 ultramarines at most

[crisp heath]

I'm just glad we're seeing the imperium actually start to fail instead of just being told "it'll collapse any day now guys"

Like half its territory just went bye bye in one fell swoop

I'd like to see a couple major chapters disappear but they'll never do that because "my sales 😢"

[plush mason]

tbf thats like the only real meme of the salamanders

thats and they give hugs

[crisp heath]

Vulkan lives stomp stomp

[plush mason]

that too

ofc thats more to do with Vulkan and the meme that he just resurrects very 15 seconds

[astral whale]

Not even then. It’s only failing on paper. Like. No serious named characters have died.

[arctic talon]

There's several other marine chapters within the ultramar like sector

that are ultramarine sucessors

the ultramarines totally aren't legion building

I swear bro

the 5 sucessor chapters that directly feed recruits in aren't a legion

[crisp heath]

The absolute shade thrown at the Guard with this post

[astral whale]

Until we see a body Yarrick isn’t dead.

Same thing with Dorn.

[rose thorn]

Thank you :>

[astral whale]

I refuse to recognize Yarrick is dead until they give him a proper sendoff Damnit.

[rose thorn]

OH SHIT MY FAVORITE CRAFT WORLD

what are the chances

[plush mason]

ok the sons of behemet sound cool

[queen laurel]

A faction primarily composed of giants, love it

[celest dome]

Primarily ? Not exclusively ?

[queen laurel]

Yeah i should have used that i suck at grammar

But hey still doesn't change the fact of that the faction is awesome

[plush mason]

ye

[queen laurel]

After exploring aos Or- I mean "orruks", it's the kruleboyz i was caught off guard the most

Their proportions is not very orky but i still like them

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fKPIVX25AM

[celest dome]

Yeah, at first I took them to be Hobgobbo and not Orcs

[plush mason]

they do be some skiny bois

[queen laurel]

Yeah but after looking at them, and playing skyrim a bit, i grew with the idea of skinny but still physically good orcs

[celest dome]

Is it a Lictor ?

[queen laurel]

So what is the evolutionary explanation for this

[plush mason]

rule of cool

[queen laurel]

The hive mind doesn't really seem the type of thing to care for drip

[queen laurel]

Understandable

[gloomy citrus]

It's still going down.

I hope that nids won't be the only thing to kill in SM2.

[queen laurel]

To be honest you can pretty much just tell your d&d group this is the mind flayer they are fighting

And it looks like it can command an entire army

[crisp heath]

Yeah I was thinking Illithids as soon as I saw it

[green loom]

They gave the Death Leaper a cape

Oh shit I didn't even see

[queen laurel]

Wait, this is supposed to be deathleaper?

The same deathleaper that traumatized someone?

[green loom]

Yes

[plush mason]

seems so

[queen laurel]

Damn he really knows what he's doing

[plush mason]

makes sense seeing as its like the only named lictor afaik

hopefully this means the swarm lord will get an updated mini at some point as well

[green loom]

He probably will

[queen laurel]

Yeah i want them to improve the named the tyranid models

[shadow plover]

swarmlord does still look pretty good imo

[plush mason]

yeah

just a little basic

[queen laurel]

I really want them to improve red terror

My god it looks like a clay monster from a child's imagination

[crisp heath]

From my understanding he's getting his own kit distinct from hive tyrants

[celest dome]

Red Terror is a Hive Tyrants ?

[plush mason]

i dont think so

[crimson kayak]

Same gun

[shadow plover]

as heavy bolt pistol?

[crimson kayak]

Yep

[shadow plover]

it isn't though

heavy BP is 18" S4 -1AP 1D and SIBP is 12" S4 -2AP 1D

[crimson kayak]

Not gameplaywise, but model wise they are the same

Reivers, assault intercessors and bladeguards all use the same pistol kit

[shadow plover]

ehh

[crimson kayak]

Wait what

I mean, it's basically the same lol

[shadow plover]

and here's the Bladeguard vet HBP

[crimson kayak]

Well this gets even more confusing the more images we get of this weapon

why are they all slightly different from one another

[plush mason]

what even is the difference between a HBP and a normal one? they look to be the same caliber just in a bigger pistol lol

[crimson kayak]

Heavy bolt pistol is literally just the bolt pistol post cawl

[plush mason]

lmao

[crimson kayak]

Same as every other post primaris weapon variant, "the same, but somehow better"

[plush mason]

lmao

ofc

[shadow plover]

normal intercessors have a normal bolt pistol which is a bit different from the old design as well

[celest dome]

Different patterns ?

[crimson kayak]

Don't they use the eliminator? The more tacticool one?

Or the space marine 2 trailer fucked my idea of primaris equipment completely?

[shadow plover]

here's a normal primaris bolt pistol

which every intercessor has

[plush mason]

well nids have hooves and these weird little bladed leg things on the sides

lol

[gloomy citrus]

It looks like a normal bolter.

[crimson kayak]

Tbf it literally is just a short bolter

[crisp heath]

Termagants are literally horses

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368066737167400960/1117628804337242182/1686501969295718.png

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-bttv-twitch-emote-gif-15123134

[green loom]

Owned

[crimson kayak]

Oh God its the reverse baal successors, now splinter fleets born out of the blue are getting fucked by the Solblades lol

[vale shuttle]

man of course the Solblades are gonna win the Nids were never gonna be the winners of the war

ill eat my hat if they are

[crimson kayak]

Yeah but it's funny how since baal every time someone lost massive numbers it was all from Asspull Chapter/Fleet/Warband 4026

[vale shuttle]

yeah

anytime they want to gas up a faction they have them dice a nameless enemy

happened with angron mercing a Crusade fleet earlier this year

[storm jungle]

You can win a war and make it go nowhere too you know

[crimson kayak]

Like, just don't have them absolutely obliterate them, leaving them time to rebuild but let these guys actually fight between their important dactions

[storm jungle]

ala Octarius

also there was nothing stopping GW from just making this again a Hive Tyrant

[crimson kayak]

Tbf nids are pretty single minded except for very rare cases

[storm jungle]

This isnt about nid intelligence

this is about faction showcasing

[crimson kayak]

No I mean about purpose, nids winning the war would mean taking all the biomass

[storm jungle]

I mean thats what they did with Octarius

and nothing came from that

the Imperium winning is the same thing

"they defeated the horrible xenos and everyone went home"

which is always the same narrative

[crimson kayak]

Yeah but octarius was basically an arena, main fighters were orks and nids and the imperium literally just locked them up to see what would happen

[storm jungle]

Octarius was just a glorified Warzone

pretty much what this is rn

[crimson kayak]

In fact octarius even through nids win they don't actually touch 90% of the imperials

As the border zone is still in imperial hands

[storm jungle]

And again thats my point, even when factions "win" a war it usually goes nowhere because 40k writers cant write narratives for shit.

[crimson kayak]

Yeah, but what I mean is that octarius was a ork Vs nids, with imperium "containing" the situation.

This one is straight up 1v1, having the nids win would mean nids establishing permanently on sol

[storm jungle]

I mean not really

they aren't even in the Sol system yet

you can write any bullshit like "Oh we have fortress worlds by the thousands to hold them off for now"

and just leave that narrative in the cooler until you need it again

[crimson kayak]

You just wrote the current imperial tactic tbf

[storm jungle]

Thats the joke

40k's entire thing is pointless doomsday events

[crimson kayak]

True true, the imperium is basically a dalmatian anyway by this point

[vale shuttle]

the Imperium exists due to author fiat

[storm jungle]

that too

Basically my prophecy shall hold true.

Expect a few 1-3 Warzones this/next year before the 4th Tyrannic War flickers out and they get reduced to White Dwarf magazine excerpts

[vale shuttle]

that's pretty much what they announced for Crusade (best mode)

each release was a new expansion / theatre to fight and die in

[crisp heath]

Just give me 3 or 4 good nid novels where they eat a lot of space marines while you're promoting them and I'll be happy

[vale shuttle]

well im sure you'll get what you want

[crisp heath]

OK so GW only cares about money, so they should open up a website where you can pay them $1,000 for tyranids to eat whatever character you don't like

[storm jungle]

LMAO

the best part is people would do it tbh

[vale shuttle]

i would do it

we'd finally get to see what would happen when the emperor died

[crisp heath]

$2,000 and you get an entire novel about tyranids ruining that guys vacation

[vale shuttle]

i would pay at most 5000 dollars to see the emperor canonically dead

AUD

not USD

[crimson kayak]

God I'd love for the emperor to finally die

[vale shuttle]

and id crowdfund the necessary 100000 to let me write the nextera of 40k lore

[crimson kayak]

I don't even care if he gets resurrected later or becomes an outright God, just let the fucker off the throne for his sake

[crisp heath]

Honestly Big E, shit or get off the pot. You've been dying for 10,000 years, either get it over with or get over it

[storm jungle]

Bruh

we literally know NOTHING about what goes on in the Dark Imperium

and its been like

how many fucking years now since the Rift opened?

[crimson kayak]

Wait, Nihilus is the dark imperium ye?

[storm jungle]

All the info we get is from codexes of more evil factions like CSM where its loosely worded stuff like "oh theres a lot of chaos empires"

[storm jungle]

Yep

[crimson kayak]

Then isn't it literally just our side of space, but more chaos bullshit?

[storm jungle]

Yes

tho less Imperal presence i guess

since they cant warp travel safely at all among other things

[vale shuttle]

80% of dark imperium is just fucking "Guilliman is badassfully reclaiming it for the awesome imperium"

[storm jungle]

Nah thats not gonna happen, yet

[crimson kayak]

Like, the ironhold protectorate is set in Nihilus and they even managed to survive while "independent"

[crisp heath]

I've only seen the exact opposite from the dark imperium, except in the actual books of that name

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-around-what-confused-gif-21065154

[crimson kayak]

Shit sounds easy imo

[rose thorn]

Every ‘chaos’ empire I’ve seen not counting chaos houses have completely crashed and burned

[crisp heath]

The Dark Imperium is lost for good, it can't be taken back and that's said pretty explicitly in a lot of the novels and promo materials

[vale shuttle]

for an allegedly crumbling and stagnant empire the imperium sure does launch a lot of massive ambitious successful military campaigns

[plush mason]

we all know it will tho :/

[crimson kayak]

Meanwhile the hundreds of Hub Fortresses in nihilus

[crisp heath]

There's also a whole pariah nexus out there

[crimson kayak]

Wich btw, is that one still going on?

[storm jungle]

Its gonna be taken back

[crisp heath]

Yeah its still there

Still unsoulin'

[storm jungle]

GW's current plan atm seems to be uh

bringing back every primarch

[plush mason]

thats because they are the main character of the setting

[storm jungle]

Fulgrim is deffo somewhere down this year

after him who knows which Loyalist will return

[plush mason]

Russ just to piss people off

[crimson kayak]

Sadly Russ is the only one who wouldn't make sense for him to return, as that would mean he has found the Tree Of Life and can heal the Emperor

[crisp heath]

Honestly even if they do intend to reunite the imperium atm it'll take them so long to do so that they'll backtrack because it's just the new status quo they're afraid to shake up

[rose thorn]

Funny that during Hh exactly half of every major imperium faction turned chaos

Crazy how that happens

[plush mason]

or he just gets yeeted out of a warp storm as a massive super wulfen

[crimson kayak]

That would be the best option to piss people off yes

[vale shuttle]

this is just proof heretical thoughts need to be purged

[crimson kayak]

Have him burst out randomly as a giant fucking werewolf with the rest of the 13th company

[vale shuttle]

if the emperor had just been more genocidal he would've saved the galaxy

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/fred-flintstone-barney-rubble-coin-flipping-flip-a-coin-the-flintstones-gif-23183277

Imperial citizens choosing their alliances during HH

[storm jungle]

Yall are thinking too small

[plush mason]

well the 13th is already back iirc

[crisp heath]

"No one likes white scars because white is hard to paint, so we decided to just kill the Khan off the page to make room for something else"

[vale shuttle]

imagine if he'd totally exterminated those disgusting chaos worshipping filth scum on Colchis or wherever lorgar cake from

[storm jungle]

we gotta start with nailing down which chapter makes the most money miniature wise.

we already got Ultras and DA

[crimson kayak]

Yeah but they are just appearing as guests sometimes in some stuff aren't they?

[storm jungle]

whats the 3rd biggest moneymaker Chapter

[rose thorn]

Black tempalrs

[storm jungle]

They got no primarch

has to be a Founding one

[rose thorn]

Ah

Blood angels

[storm jungle]

that way we can nail down which Primarch is coming

OH JEEZ

NOT AGAIN

[crimson kayak]

Dorn becomes a black Templar

[crisp heath]

It's literally going to be Russ

[storm jungle]

💀

[storm jungle]

its entirely down to money is the thing

[rose thorn]

fucking Sig about to rise from his coffin like a vampire

[storm jungle]

GW doesn't make these decisions with lore in mind

so im not even joking

[crisp heath]

Yeah so it's going to be Russ

[crimson kayak]

I mean, can you even call the Imperial Fists that after they got wiped out like what, 3 times?

[storm jungle]

Do space wolves even make that much money

[crisp heath]

We're on the same page here

[storm jungle]

i dont follow them

[crisp heath]

Space Wolves are huge especially for people new to the hobby

[storm jungle]

damn

thats terrible

I mean uh

good for them

[crisp heath]

I'm really loving Emperor's Spears because I wanted to like Space Wolves so badly

The Spears are just less dumb space wolves, love it

[rose thorn]

Cryo weapons on a frozen planet

[plush mason]

the 2 most likely loyal Primarchs to return imo is Dorn and Russ

[crimson kayak]

As I said before, only primarch return I'm waiting is for a Ferrus Manus Revenant/Helfather model, literally becoming everything he fought against

[crisp heath]

I think Corax would come before Dorn because if they give him a sick mutated model it will fly off the shelves

[rose thorn]

Know what where is the fulgrim model

He’s next

[crimson kayak]

But that's like, the last primarch they would ever pull out

[storm jungle]

Yeah because Emperors children are getting an upgrade

they are the last god-alligned legion left i think

[crimson kayak]

Yep

[storm jungle]

after that they'll prob make Perturabo as a model later down the line, hes definitley not on the emergency to-do list since hes not really alligned to a god, so in the eyes of the model team probably not someone of great importance

[plush mason]

tbch i keep forgetting he exists

[rose thorn]

Not counting uhh, children of the cog? The vastor one and the belakor one

But they are liek, one edition sub factions

[crimson kayak]

Cult of the Arkifane is gonna stay Atleast until the whole Vashtoor plot ends

[storm jungle]

Yeah we are talking big faction

Perturabo is gonna be on the sidelines

[plush mason]

idk why but i keep forgetting Corax Manus and both of their legions exist

[storm jungle]

To be fair Raven Guard is actually cool

Iron Hands meanwhile uh

TRASH

[crisp heath]

Mannus was designed to be forgettable

[plush mason]

they are but for some reason i keep forgetting them

[rose thorn]

Yeah, shame they are kinda completely forgotten

[storm jungle]

😔

[crisp heath]

Iron Hands were literally just a grid that needed filling

[crimson kayak]

Generic black armour+no lore+no numbers

[plush mason]

yeah

[crisp heath]

Raven Guard are cool, but oh my god

The hair

The hair

[plush mason]

emo chapter master

[crisp heath]

Raven Guard look great if they keep their helmets on

[crimson kayak]

Part time Astartes and part time Pantene commercials, they just sneak that well

[rose thorn]

Okay which faction needs a glow up? Not counting world eaters and votann who would you give more shit

[crimson kayak]

Eldar

[rose thorn]

Same

[crisp heath]

Eldar factually, but I'm petty so Guard

[rose thorn]

They feel like the only not complete faction, that they blustered with combing with two other eldar factions

[crisp heath]

Eldar need it the most but I also like them the least

[crimson kayak]

I'm still salty about the ynnari getting dropped

[rose thorn]

They are the ‘I wanna like them but I can’t’

Faction

[rose thorn]

Same

[crimson kayak]

Fucking necromancer eldars were my favorite faction idea since forever

[crisp heath]

I don't even want to like them. It's not a models issue, all Eldar still look hideous even in recent art. They're just too hard to look at to enjoy.

[rose thorn]

Demon elf god is the best thing ever

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/8/84/YnnariHarlequinIncubi.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191106201655

I’m shocked how much I like their color-schemes

[crisp heath]

I do like the Eldar in the rogue trader game, but she's literally just there to be a waifu

That's the one Eldar I like to look at and she's bait

[rose thorn]

And visarch continues to be extremely hot

[crimson kayak]

Yeah that's actually the only sad part for me as they are basically more generic Saim Hann

[rose thorn]

The black complements the maroon red

[plush mason]

the ranger?

i need to get back to playing the beta

[rose thorn]

I really like it

But I also like the genocide eldar

[crisp heath]

Oh somehow I hadn't seen him before. He's OK. Not my taste, but I can tell it's actually good work.

[storm jungle]

The dark eldar companion in the game is also great

he always encourages you to do evil shit

a true homie

[plush mason]

its hard to mess up black and red tbh

[crisp heath]

I don't need an elf for that, my waifu does it for me

[rose thorn]

[storm jungle]

See I like evil space elves, not boring generic humans so

[storm jungle]

Also theres a reason literally everyone uses the Visarch for bits for their own eldar characters

[crisp heath]

Cassia my beloved

[storm jungle]

hes too cool for his own good

[plush mason]

a craftworld eldar a dark eldar an unsactioned psyker and an inquisitorial interrigator all on the same ship, what could go wrong

[stark cargo]

True

[rose thorn]

I love her too

[crimson kayak]

Also another thing that bothered me immensely about the ynnari was the fact Iyanden was barely mentioned with them despite being THE Spirit focused craftworld

[rose thorn]

Very true , they are carrying ynnari so hard

[plush mason]

poor Abelard be there like "emperor help me"

[crimson kayak]

(also funny how slaneesh got the best warrior out of all chaos gods)

[crisp heath]

... I'm the one who wants to kiss the Swarmlord...

[rose thorn]

Get what’s the first ynnari Book again,

[crimson kayak]

And it still got fucked by grey knights once

[crisp heath]

You're laughing now, but when faced with a wheat field Khorne will wish he picked Mortarion

[crimson kayak]

I mean, slaneesh made it just so it could fuck up khorne's bloodthirsters at first so yeah

[plush mason]

he do be sexy its true

[heavy bison]

I mean, yeah. I don't even own an Eldar army but I bought one to repose into a female corsair leader XD

[queen laurel]

As much as I like the zerg, they are nothing more than a pale imitation of the tyranids

[earnest snow]

So guys i gotta idea

The inquinidistion. Tyranid inquisitors.

I know this sounds dumb but my retaliation to that sentiment is this: come on....come onnn. Pet the cute warrior rolling on its back?

[near wasp]

Thats some heresy your spitting right now

Please face the wall and prepare for the emperors mercy

[coarse pumice]

I found some things about the classic Tyranid line, which could look dorky, more disturbing and scary than current 'nids

[earnest snow]

Fool. I am the wall

[coarse pumice]

like current 'nids have this 'cool monster' thing going on, like you would use one as the logo of your football/bloodbowl team

the old ones were kind of more deformed and alien looking

though the new Screamer Killer does reference the old Scremer Killer Carnifex

so they'e bringing back some things

perhaps it's something to do with eye alignment?

[stark cargo]

I really liked the old Tyrant model.

[coarse pumice]

that grin...

[near wasp]

Hes just happy because he gets snacks

[earnest snow]

perfect

[pale onyx]

question, the grey knights are the inquistioners dogs. But would they ever act against them? Like if one of them gave a heretical order or something along those lines.

[green loom]

Probably

iirc the Grey Knights during the Months of Shame shitshow were preparing to kill the Lord Inquisitor

[storm jungle]

Always have and will.

Grey Knights arent "dogs."

they are the chamber militant of Hereticus but have full power to act independantly.

Ghost Quell (832.M33)

On the desolate planet of Forlor, the Grey Knights cornered the Radical Inquisitor Vetrix. After enacting the Psycantic Necrolarus upon the Segmentum Solar, Vetrix had been declared a Heretic by his Ordo. The Inquisitor was dragged back to the dungeons of Titan, pleading with his stony-faced captors that the Necrolarus was the Imperium's only hope for survival.

[pale onyx]

based

[storm jungle]

The only asshole thing they do however is team-killing people for seeing them which is stupid but lol

[pale onyx]

I thought they stopped that since the great rift? Since daemons are everywhere now it's public info in the imperium right

[storm jungle]

Nah they still do that

[pale onyx]

F

[storm jungle]

In a big Warzone event they uh

[green loom]

Tbf if the GK are deployed

It's unlikely there will be survivors by default

[storm jungle]

Mindwiped thousands of Skitarii

Killed like a billion guardsman

Mindwiped any Astartes and Sororitas present

and they are now gonna go off to another warzone and witness daemons again

VERY SMART TACTIC RIGHT

[green loom]

Very

You'd think they could just

Get away with pretending to be regular astartes

[storm jungle]

THATS THE STUPID THING YEAH

Literally nobody would fucking question it

[green loom]

They even do it in that Daemonhunters game lol

[storm jungle]

AND THEY ARE AN ASTARTES CHAPTER TOO

SO ITS EVEN WORSE

[green loom]

They're designated as "Astartes vessel" and no one questions it

[pale onyx]

Ah yeah im a imperium simp but that's kinda cringe ngl. Imagine giving it your all preparing to die for the emperor only to get got by his silver bois, not achieving a death that benefits the imperium. But then again it is said no man who has died serving the emperor has died in van.

vain*

[storm jungle]

Yeah like it reminds me of this one scene in a action movie i was watching where the main mercenary characters are running away from an army facility after tying up all the soldiers present

the government sends like this super high-tech ultra-secret task force to secure the base and kill the intruders right

and all the spec ops do to the facility personel is untie them and run off to hunt the mercs

that is pretty much what the GK could do and nobody would ask anything

[summer rover]

but that's not as edgy

[storm jungle]

More like braindead

[pale onyx]

yeah

[storm jungle]

its not even edgy/cool when it makes no sense

[summer rover]

yeah, but doing things with any amount of thought doesn't lead to shit sounding as cool as "we're so secret we wipe out entire guard regiments to keep our secret!"

[storm jungle]

Again

thats not cool lmao

Literally every GK fan ive met has admitted as much with "Yeah its stupid, ı just ignore it"

[summer rover]

GW's writers at the time thought it was cool

[stark cargo]

It's the Imperium 🤷‍♂️

[pale onyx]

Like not even the black templars do that and you know how crazy they are

[storm jungle]

"Its the Imperium" excuse only goes so far

[storm jungle]

If you recount that one time they killed a Custodian and their Primaris reinforcements.

With Black Templars i can buy it because they are actually braindead

[stark cargo]

How far? 😁

[storm jungle]

This far

[summer rover]

pretty sure any idea for 40k has to be pitched while the editor is taking a shit before they go back to watching porn in their office so you need to make it fast enough they will reply between poops.

[storm jungle]

what the fu-

[summer rover]

it's the level of stupid i expect from their writing pool

[pale onyx]

true. Their zeal is why they are my 2nd favorite space marine chapter. Blood angels are #1

[storm jungle]

They are basically World Eaters but Crusader so yes

[summer rover]

it'd be funny if black templar were actually world eaters that dorn recruited for a side-chapter just because he doesn't like wasting troops

[storm jungle]

A black templar crusade that got corrupted by chaos kind of is

[green loom]

"Hey uh, hey buddy, what's with those long legs? You a mutant or something?"

[storm jungle]

[stark cargo]

Everybody in the Imperium has no qualms to kill thousands to keep their secrets.

[storm jungle]

Yeah but theres a difference between sensible manslaughter and goofy manslaughter

Like how that one incident where Grey Knights killed Sororitas was retconned lol

[green loom]

You want word of a Saint to spread, you don't want word of a secret new ship design to spread

[storm jungle]

Average Catholic Church L

[pale onyx]

is it manslaughter if it is xenos? cus if it isn't the black templars are innocent. Heretics dont count as human

[storm jungle]

Take the RP to #darktide-memes

[green loom]

It's manslaughter if they're your allies, and killing them does nothing since all your enemies already know you exist

[pale onyx]

IM JUST SAYIN

[summer rover]

heretics count as human because they're heretics

[near wasp]

Killing xenos is a community service

[stark cargo]

I think the paranoia of the Imperial organizations is part of what they. Wether it's AdMech or Faith stuff or stuff of state security. Lives are simply cheap

[summer rover]

if one of those smurf sheep is going something heretical, that's just typical xenos stupid. men are supposed to know better.

[storm jungle]

Yeah we know

its mor ethat sometimes its actually stupid

and makes no sense

[pale onyx]

the problem with grey knights is that they are slaughtering loyalists

[storm jungle]

Gay Knights are just lil guys

they dont wanna kill anyone

https://tenor.com/view/grey-knights-warhhammer40k-psilencer-dreadknight-terminators-gif-17876359

[stark cargo]

I agree.

[arctic talon]

holy shit its happening

Intercessors with guns that aren't bolters

[storm jungle]

WHAT IS THIS IMAGE

[arctic talon]

Acursed

I took a bad screenshot

[storm jungle]

the red line on the right helps

[arctic talon]

Thanks

I fucked up in snipping tool

[summer rover]

pictured: you took a wong turn on your way to the toilet and saw a grey knight pissing in the sink (they cannot tell guardsmen apart so they're wiping out your regiment to be sure)

[stark cargo]

That's imho the big paradox of the Imperium: You somehow want to root for them, but they are all rotten to the core

[arctic talon]

You want to root for them because they're human

and they're trying not to die

however

they're also you know

the Imperium

[storm jungle]

They are basically nazi-romans in space

so yes

[summer rover]

i'm not rooting for anyone in 40k, i'm taking turns laughing at everyone being stupid.

[storm jungle]

Literally me fr fr

[arctic talon]

So true

Root for the Admech and Dark Eldar

It'll be funny

[storm jungle]

I posted the Swarmlord getting jobbed from the upcoming rulebook on r40klore reddit just to see people fight

[arctic talon]

W

link post?

I want to read it

[storm jungle]

Oh its SUPER short

so its even funnier

1 sec

[pale onyx]

yeah but when the comp is orks, tyranids, dark eldar, daemons etc. They are the good guys compared to them. LIke imperium simping aside, The normal Eldar and Imperium are the good guys basically if you compare them to the rest of the shit in the galaxy

[storm jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/147nel7/swarmlord_gets_jobbed_again_in_the_upcoming/

[storm jungle]

The Imperium are not good guys in any way shape or form

Gamesworkshop had to outright say this last year

[arctic talon]

Eldar and Imperium are "good"

Craftworld eldar are the most "good"

[storm jungle]

Yeah Eldar are better in comparison since they literally only wage war when their hand is forced

[arctic talon]

Tau are ironically

[pale onyx]

lsiten if we compare them to our standars, yeah they are nazis But compared to the other shit they are the good guys

[storm jungle]

the Imperium literally just attacks for the sake of attacking

[arctic talon]

an imperaialistic hellscape

[storm jungle]

I hope you remember that when you are slaving away to die in a factory

[arctic talon]

my brother in christ they wiped out all the other humans who disagreed with them

[storm jungle]

^

humanity is doomed

thats the point of 40k

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

they are dying and looking cool doing it

[arctic talon]

The imperium is fucked lul

[storm jungle]

pretty much

theres no "they are our only hope"

[arctic talon]

They're the only hope because they killed all the other hope

like that time macharius smashed a moon

into a near DAOT society

because they didn't want to join the imperium

[pale onyx]

bruh wdym, it was humanity is slowly dying. But with gullimans return there was hope again. Imperium actually got a chance now. Not to mention the lion

[arctic talon]

no

Guilliman

is a bandaid

for a gaping wound

this is stated as such

by himself, and by the rulebook in 10e

the imperium is still bleeding out

[storm jungle]

Also the 10th edition trailer

his first fucking words

[arctic talon]

Like

[storm jungle]

when he wakes up is

[arctic talon]

2 band aids

aren't gona heal

a giant gash in your stomach

[storm jungle]

"it was better if Horus destroyed the Imperium"

[arctic talon]

ultimately speaking all of Nihlus will fall

that is inevtible

[near wasp]

People act like the primarchs are gonna fix everything but they cannot be everywhere at once

[arctic talon]

and is presented as such

Guilliman and Lion both have no real hope for Imperium Nihlus

surviving long term

neither does dante

So you can mark half the imperium as gone already

[near wasp]

Secure the gauntlet and secure as many resources and ships as possible and abandon nihilis

[arctic talon]

Guilliman has improved things however that doesn't change the fact the great rift opened

Any holdouts in Nihlus are pretty much on their own

mostly since the Imperium doesn't have control of the nachmund gauntlet

as of warzone viglus defiant

[storm jungle]

Yeah like get this right,

Space... is kind of big.

[green loom]

Oskar Schindler was a cool guy, but the Nazis were still kind of horrible

[summer rover]

so you're assuming the writers won't just get rid of the rift as soon as it gets in the way of selling minis

[arctic talon]

Why would they

just keep holdouts in nihlus

problem solved for mini sales

[summer rover]

to make a new primarch coming back look cool, probably.

[arctic talon]

lol

[green loom]

Dante can be kinda cool, but he still actively neglected his people and let them suffer to "Make better warriors" and "Suffer as the Angel did"

[near wasp]

Lol

[arctic talon]

Lion saved like

5 planets

out of like

500k

in Nihlus

what a save

[pale onyx]

idk man, if there was no hoope why is gulliman trying so hard? And the Lion now coming back will help as well. Yes, they are still attacked on all fronts but I think there's a chance they can still beat them back. Looks to me the imperium is slowly coming back onto its feet.

[arctic talon]

He has no hope

[winter vessel]

Take what you can get I guess

[arctic talon]

he is doing what he is doing

[green loom]

"Rage against the dying of the light"3

[arctic talon]

out of obligation for the people

[summer rover]

he also has no hoes

[arctic talon]

so true

But Guilliman thinks its ultimately hopeless

[green loom]

He's fighting because there's nothing else to do

[arctic talon]

^

[summer rover]

just utterly dripless primarch.

[arctic talon]

whats he gona do

retire

he can't

its not like he can just drop everything and walk away

[near wasp]

Do not go quietly into that long night

[arctic talon]

And he also hates his father

[green loom]

Kharn spells it out after Sigismund starts rampaging

[arctic talon]

even more then before now

[storm jungle]

Yeah Guilliman fights for whats left

[green loom]

The Imperium dies at the siege

[storm jungle]

Also like

i hope people realise humanity's worst enemy is itself

for anything guilliman does

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

[storm jungle]

people bitch and oppose him

[green loom]

All that's left after is just a husk that exists to lash out, a cornered animal slowly bleeding out over millenia

[storm jungle]

And yeah this

lmao

[arctic talon]

I love 16 hour work days on Mars

[green loom]

16 hours? That's modest

[arctic talon]

don't forget the 1 hour of mandatory praying

[winter vessel]

They’ll just keep doing what they’ve always done since existing, going down swinging against impossible odds.

[arctic talon]

lol pretty much

[storm jungle]

Its easy to point fingers at others for our problems but when humans have nobody to blame we blame each other and go to wars and other stuff over very petty things.

40k's entire meta-commentary is kinda the point with this lol

[pale onyx]

oh yeah humanity is its worst enemy but the fucking daemons and xenos don't help

[arctic talon]

any hope for the imperium died during the siege of terra

[storm jungle]

And who feeds those daemons

[arctic talon]

now its just a slow process

[storm jungle]

Shocking news but every imperial planet in existence wouldnt have chaos cults if the situations the humans lived in wasnt so awful.

[green loom]

There's a reason the marketing slogan for Total War Warhammer 3 was "Conquer your daemons", not "Conquer the daemons"

[winter vessel]

Meanwhile Eldar doing freestyle dance moves as a way of giving cryptic messages of warning to the Mon’Keigh

[green loom]

I mean there would probably still be chaos cults

But they probably wouldn't burst out in massive rebellions

[arctic talon]

Tbh its not like if they spoke plainly the imperium would believe either lol

the funny clown shows work

because they're a goddamn cognitohazard

and implant knowledge straight into your brain

[summer rover]

need to feel like they're outwitting the eldar, so everything's gotta be a damn puzzle to solve.

[storm jungle]

What would you do trying to form diplomacy with gorillas

[winter vessel]

One thing we know of Humanity, a helluva stubborn race, for better or worse.

[storm jungle]

For worse

[arctic talon]

because they have guns and are very racist

[green loom]

The Eldar are hateful aliens, why would a righteous servant of the Emperor ever listen to them

[storm jungle]

just like 🇹🇷

[arctic talon]

oh we're talking about 40k

nevermind

[storm jungle]

LMAO

But yeah its the same as asking

[arctic talon]

because they have tanks, supersoldiers, guns and are very racist

[storm jungle]

"Why cant russia and america get along"

opens history book

[arctic talon]

mmm

histormy

[storm jungle]

Its like people hate each other no matter the reason or something 👀

[pale onyx]

Listen, the great crusade was a huge successd cus humanity was united by the big E. So humanity needs to be united again to start pushing back. And rn they are returning primarchs which just being the son of the big E helps unite humanity. I think as they return more primarchs it will get better. Not to mention the big E has more influence now as some sort of god or whatever he is with all the warp energy from the great rift.

[winter vessel]

Maybe that’s why I have no problem with Tyranids. Their entire directive is just “EAT”.