#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
arctic talon
Yes it is
winter vessel
It’s uh…very detailed
storm jungle
Boy I do enjoy the telling of how the Death Guard Marine petting a nurgling literally shat on his arm
winter vessel
I think I have the story saved as a pdf on my laptop somewhere. Right now I’m reading that Last Chancers one where they’re on Armageddon.
plush mason
them the penal troops with the bombs in their heads?
storm jungle
they are basically 40k A-Team yep
arctic talon
The last book was 2019
winter vessel
I know Warhawks are my favorite(despite how little attention they have), but The 13th Penal Legion makes it in my top 5.
winter vessel
DC: we have “Suicide Squad” 40k: “We got a SUICIDE REGIMENT.”
arctic talon
Tbh penal legions are a great but horrible idea
Mostly since there’s a trillion ways they could backfire
plush mason
tbf thats true for like over half of what the imperium does
minor ingot
Mostly since there’s a trillion ways they could backfire
That's why most penal legions are literally just waves of meat with sticks to make the enemy use more ammo
Which I think is a very emperor approved use of them
crystal forum
the only difference between conscripts and penal legions is that at least conscripts get to pretend like their officers value their continued existence to fight again
i want more 40k stories about poorly trained and equipped guardsmen who suck at everything. Everything's always about the top level soldiers who can kill battalions with a toothpick
dry epoch
I immediately want to call them the No-Hopers
crisp heath
i want more 40k stories about poorly trained and equipped guardsmen who suck at ...
I can imagine it working as a short story or animated short, but it'd make a really bad novel
Imagine 250 pages of "and then this guy you don't care about dies. And then this other guy you don't care about dies. Someone forgot to clean his gun so it jams. Then he dies."
A really good author could, and have, pulled it off with real-world war stories, but it spits in the face of traditional writing and let's be honest, there's not many 40k authors who are good enough to be so subversive.
green loom
Subverse
tough haven
tbf thats true for like over half of what the imperium does
In 40k the remarkable group would be something like "the non-expendable squad"
crimson kayak
Mostly since there’s a trillion ways they could backfire
Tbf there's a reason most are as they said either extremely under equipped or directly strapped with bombs and shit
undone zodiac
Meatshields to meatshields
crimson kayak
Hell, we too start with bomb collars
remote widget
The slann, are they retconned out of existence or just not important as they're chilling on the opposite end of the galaxy from the imperium?
green loom
They're Fantasy
As in the Slann proper
Apparently the old ones are also called the Slann in old lore?
remote widget
The old ones are the old slann, the slann descended from them, or were the first made in their image, apparently they live up north galaxy and used to be a lot bigger before they got bored after the eldar
Theyre the original explanation behind why we have space orangutans
celest dome
In old lore the Old Ones were Slaan shaped, now there still are Slaan but they are extinct and something else than the Old One
Iirc
plush mason
The old ones are the old slann, the slann descended from them, or were the first...
is "bord after the eldar" a way of saying "almost wiped out by the necrons and then finished off by the enslavers"?
because thats what i remember about the war in heaven lore
rough condor
Do enslavers still exist in 40k?
I'm not so sure on what they are exactly but I'm sure I read a short story with a creature who enslaved a population of a space station or something with mind powers
green loom
Yes
They were reconfirmed at the start of psychic awakening
With Alpha Primus killing one iirc
rough condor
I need to read up on these fellas some more, they sound like a Primarch level threat
crimson kayak
Yep, also Loose Cannon says he fought one in one of his voicelines
tropic olive
Hi what is the best book about kharn the betrayer ?
crimson kayak
I mean, I can easily get past the dead cold stare of nothingness of a badly animated 3d face if everything else is looking like the trailers
crimson kayak
Probably thought "if I can survive it once, I can do it twice"
storm jungle
Hi what is the best book about kharn the betrayer ?
coarse pumice
Khorme
plush mason
lol
winter vessel
another morning means another purging on Chaos
celest cedar
Seer knows how the transformation from children to Space Marine
So are the extra body parts implanted gradually over the course of them growing up?
near wasp
Alot of then also require you to be awake when they do the surgery
celest cedar
no anesthetics?
near wasp
Nope pain is part of the process
coarse pumice
thing is they always had space marines recruiting from gangs too, and loads of references to adults being turned into space marines (albeit was this just 30k?)
storm jungle
I mean no?
Marines recruit from everywhere and everyone
And the adult thing is ultra specific examples/people
celest cedar
do the adults go through the same thing
storm jungle
Yes.
crisp heath
I love how this implies they could just use adults for their ranks but just prefer the idea of traumatizing children
storm jungle
only the strong ones survive to become actual space marines
They die because the procedure is inhumane and not that well managed.
the darwinist angle is just a macho bullshit space marines buy in-universe
celest cedar
I mean it is easier to brainwash children then adults
celest cedar
Yes.
do they get "volunteered"?
or is it more willing
the adults being selected for space marine stuff I mean
crisp heath
Currently reading "Spears of the Emperor" on that subject
I think I have a new favorite chapter
Space Wolves but not stupid
10/10
heavy bison
the adults being selected for space marine stuff I mean
Yeah its heavily dependant on the chapter.
The Space Wolves have a strong tradition of snatching up the victors of great battles. Maybe some of the glorious wounded too, been a while since I read some of the SW Books.
On Medusa the Iron Hands tribesmen frequently hunt one of the native beasts in the hopes of being selected to become Iron Hands.
The Salamanders actively train warriors from each of their settlements great lodges and the best work as assistants in a Salamanders forge before being selected for implantation.
I'm sure there are other examples. But yeah, plenty just forcibly take as many bodies as needed.
There was a comic that covered the Ultramarines process AFAIK
storm jungle
You mean uh
where kids crawl through barbwire while under machine gun fire while wolves maul them?
arctic talon
Tbh
feel like there's worse ways lmao
the blood angels literally have a child death arena
where you're supposed to not kill your opponent lol
after a bunch of other crap
green loom
After walking through a radiation baked desert with false water that dries you out
coarse pumice
i thought the blood angels traditionally
was a load of really crippled mutants who fight it out in the tournament and then they get elevated to becoming ikemen with perfect skin
for the winners
joining the blood angels
arctic talon
was a load of really crippled mutants who fight it out in the tournament and the...
Yeah the crippled mutants are children
It’s present as to the death but
If you don’t spare your opponent you’re way less likely to get chosen
earnest snow
Lore
storm jungle
Dont eat the auspex
plush mason
its a good thing ogryn cant read :P
crystal forum
is the solar auxilia still a thing in the 41st millenia
storm jungle
is the solar auxilia still a thing in the 41st millenia
The Sol Aux got disbanded after the Heresy
crystal forum
The Sol Aux got disbanded after the Heresy
was it too powerful for a single person to command or something
storm jungle
Pretty much yeah
crystal forum
so is there any unit that comes from earth or the solar system in general?
winter vessel
I think the Lucifer Blacks are still around somewhere if memory serves me right.
plush mason
they and like 3 others that each guard a section of the imperial palace
ofc none of them are directly from the pre heresy auxilia
iirc their name now is the terran regiments
crystal forum
that's pretty lame
sol system could get so many regiments from all the planets. A mars regiment would be pretty interesting if it's not skitarii
plush mason
it does iirc. well not from mars because the admech owns it
segmentum solar is a big place and iirc has more than a few active warfronts on its fringes
crystal forum
i can just imagine a non skitarii mars regiment being incredibly well equipped but falling under imperial command due to ancient treaties and stuff
green loom
Terra alone has a few dozen indoctrinated guard regiments protecting the palace
The Lucifer Blacks specifically protect the high lords meeting place
crisp heath
According to the lore, our rejects 4 man team in many configurations, could easily kill a space marine including a plague marine
rose thorn
Okay how should I do my gaurdsmen vets
What regiment
I return to this question every month lmao
Porbably desert raiders tbh
crisp heath
Catachads
astral whale
Dont eat the auspex
You’re not my mom! Eats Auspex
storm jungle
According to the lore, our rejects 4 man team in many configurations, could easi...
Its less lore and more just common sense
an ogryn from one book literally suplexes and breaks the neck of a chaos terminator
storm jungle
Porbably desert raiders tbh
Anyone that you find cool and vibe with tbh
theres only like 8-10 "famous" guard regiments and a good chunk of them are all discontinued
rose thorn
Very true
I could also pull the deathwatch card and do the first and only
And just make what ever I want
Just add a gullie suit afterwards
storm jungle
I'd suggest looking at the lexicanum for guard regiments
theres a lot of underrated ones
rose thorn
Ooo good point
storm jungle
crisp heath
Most over rated regiment ever
storm jungle
Lmao as long as you arent a Death Korps of Kringe shovel lover you can treat krieg fine
making Krieg actually WW1 already would show you understand them better than most people in the fanbase
storm jungle
💀
crystal forum
According to the lore, our rejects 4 man team in many configurations, could easi...
lone standard space marines aren't that powerful in lore. In a 1v4 against experienced fighters with appropriate weaponry the odds are pretty against the marine.
If it's a captain or a terminator then it's a different story
a single vet with a plasma gun could make short work of a space marine
in melee combat though idk if the space marine would lose if the rejects don't have an ogryn with them. idk if they have any experience fighting enemies that even know how to properly sword fight
space marines are very good at melee combat. that's the biggest skill divide between them and guardsmen. Not only can they easily overpower human opponents, they also regularly spar with eachother to hone their techniques
an ogryn could win by sheer brute force but that doesn't necessarily guarantee a victory. space marines are also very nimble for their size and could avoid an ogryn's uncoordinated heavy swings to strike them with their guard down
storm jungle
Its basically all about teamwork yeah
well that and mostly taking them out from a distance unless you let the ogryn loose
near wasp
Powersword, thunderhammer, ogryn and forcesword could all probably do some damage to a marine but youd actually have to hit him before he turned your squad into paste
winter vessel
Death Guard are some heft boys though, each of them can take a lot of hits. They're like a 40k Nikocado but very threatening.
languid salmon
an ogryn from one book literally suplexes and breaks the neck of a chaos termina...
which book?
crisp heath
What's the book where it's revealed that the Blood Angels have a special crane that they lug around just in case one of their terminators falls over and can't get up
languid salmon
Death Guard are some heft boys though, each of them can take a lot of hits. They...
true but they are slower and less agile compared to normal marines due to this so it would be easier to hit them to begin with.
storm jungle
which book?
languid salmon
is the book any good?
storm jungle
Its Word Bearers so yes its good
languid salmon
you say that like I like word bearers
languid salmon
ok
storm jungle
yes
rose thorn
oh that a good book
crystal forum
wouldn't it have been cool if roboute brought back the solar auxilia along with the primaris 😔
celest cedar
a single vet with a plasma gun could make short work of a space marine
Loose Cannon did say that they've encountered Chaos Marines before
So we already have at least 1 Veteran who has experience fighting marines
crystal forum
"encountered" and "killed" are pretty different situations
celest cedar
Give LC a Plasma and a Power Sword and that power armored boy is done
Well the fact they lived to tell about it tells me they do have experience against them
crystal forum
and in my mind i was thinking of a normal loyalist space marine. chaos marines are a bit different in mentality
celest cedar
There's different combat doctrine in each chapter I suppose?
crystal forum
also i take back what i said about a plasma gun vet being able to easily take out a space marine. If the marine isn't a moron he'd rush the vet while laying down suppressive fire so he'd be in melee range
crystal forum
There's different combat doctrine in each chapter I suppose?
we can forget about doctrine for now though because it's only a 1v1
celest cedar
So a scenario between 1 Vet vs 1 Marine. Chaos or Loyalist?
crystal forum
one thing chaos marines do way too often is brag and under estimate enemies. it's so ridiculously common
celest cedar
"Lasguns are useless bro"
"Oh yeah? How about you try charging towards a thousand firing line of Las?"
crystal forum
i can see so many situations where a chaos marine wouldn't expect to be pulverized by a plasma shot or cut in half by a power sword
there's just too many kinds of chaos marines for the situation to remain simple. loyalist marines are pretty consistent imo
like fighting a death guard marine is very different from fighting a thousand son
celest cedar
What about the Nurgle worshipping marines? Deathguard are the names?
winter vessel
yes, hefty boys
crystal forum
yeah death guards would pretty much ignore anything that can't straight up blow them up or put fist sized holes in them
autoguns and lasguns can kill marines but death guard just shrug it off
winter vessel
They'll go down eventually, but its gonna take a LONG time to do it.
crystal forum
loyalist marines at least put the same level of effort into "weak" enemies as they do with strong ones
at least that's what my headcannon is to explain how chaos marines don't completely overwhelm loyalists all the time. being immortal probably made them lose a lot of the hard edge they used to have
celest cedar
So lets go with the power scaling of Darktide. As established by the game. We're pretty much cut above the rest of the dead convicts who didn't make it. Even the Hub area guards recognize us, so we're at least quite famous in the ship.
As it stands we've already able to kill BoN, Pogryn, Daemonhost, and Chaos Spawn
winter vessel
We're still Expendable, but tough to kill
celest cedar
And somehow this is, to quote LC "This is light duty"
So should a Deathguard enemy make an appearance
crystal forum
a lot of the game's mechanics don't translate to lore but it can be assumed that the strike teams are also really good at working together and not being hit
celest cedar
I think we have a good chance of winning. In an in universe way
crystal forum
like i think we can assume that the vet is a master at shoot and scoot, suppressive fire and a lot of other tactical ideas
winter vessel
Except It might be best to fight from a distance, an inverse of every assassination mission we've done. Instead of locking the boss in melee, we keep our distance from a Plague Marine
crystal forum
in this sense the 4 rejects could flush out a marine who's hiding with grenades and end him with combined fire. it wouldn't even be that hard as long as the space marine can't just pick them off one by one
scenic bolt
in game, theyd have to have a higher category of armor class than crusher does since that's only carapace, but also access to a ranged weapon and are faster than ogryns (except maybe muties), on par maybe with the assassination lord charge and all
celest cedar
Since we get to pick our own weapons. Lets say the hypothetical 4 Veteran teams brought all the best weapons to penetrate marine armor
crystal forum
a single bolter shot is all it would take to kill the vet, zealot and psyker but the ogryn MIGHT take 2
celest cedar
Since we get to pick our own weapons. Lets say the hypothetical 4 Veteran teams ...
In universe
celest cedar
a single bolter shot is all it would take to kill the vet, zealot and psyker but...
Lets go with the power scaling of Darktide. Or to be fair. That Grendyl is using the I AM A WARRIOR thing to secretly bless the Rejects
crystal forum
Since we get to pick our own weapons. Lets say the hypothetical 4 Veteran teams ...
in that case, the marine is as good as dead. a plasma gun, a flamer, a psyker's mind and the grenade gauntlets would make very short work of a marine
celest cedar
Its very much a possibility yeah
Its not like we're the PDF or part of the Guard anymore
So it'll be appropriate that the team would be informed on who they're gonna kill
crystal forum
it would be different if it was a terminator. not only because of the armour, but also because the marine would be a lot more experienced in being outnumbered
celest cedar
And would pick weapons best to deal with a marine
Whats a terminator? A different class of Space Marines?
crystal forum
and again we're not talking about a captain or something. a more experienced marine would do some sort of crazy shit we wouldn't even expect
scenic bolt
Whats a terminator? A different class of Space Marines?
better armor, usually the among the elite within a chapter
crystal forum
Whats a terminator? A different class of Space Marines?
a space marine in terminator armour. only the best space marines get them
normal space marine armour is relatively weak. they die all the time to vanilla weapons in books
terminator armour is capable of shrugging off bolter shells
winter vessel
Whats a terminator? A different class of Space Marines?
yeah, better armor. They say within one of their pauldrons contains a small shard of the God-Emperor's very own armor.
crystal forum
terminator armour wouldn't stop a plasma shot but it would make frag grenades look like thrown pebbles
in a 1v4 i don't think a terminator would lose. even with perfect teamwork the strike team would simply be overwhelmed by the stormbolter
languid salmon
yeah, better armor. They say within one of their pauldrons contains a small shar...
thats only the loyalists.
winter vessel
yeah
crystal forum
chaos marines don't really modify the equipment they had when they turned coats
celest cedar
in a 1v4 i don't think a terminator would lose. even with perfect teamwork the s...
Yeah the way Terminators are described. I dont think we would stand a chance at that point
crystal forum
something that's sometimes stated is how you can tell if a bolter is from a chaos marine if the bolts are slower
scenic bolt
yea basically everything we have access to isnt enough for termies, you basically need dedicated anti-tank weapons
which is fortunate cause they also move slower than marines, unless they teleport on top of you
crystal forum
they're not slower, they're just more sluggish
a terminator can pick up a lot of speed if he's going in a straight path
scenic bolt
it's a 5" move compared to a 6"
crystal forum
im talking lore here not tabletop
scenic bolt
tt is lore
crystal forum
it really isn't
scenic bolt
to be really specific anything that comes out of design like codices is canon, anything outside of design team is pseudo canon
crystal forum
the game rules themselves aren't though. with how much they change every edition it would make lore super weird
scenic bolt
in that anything outside whatever design team puts out is adhered to outside design
crystal forum
like how do you explain vehicle dismounts in lore being changed in 10th edition
crystal forum
like i said that's just dumb. it would delete all the old lore
it's not 1v1 to lore
sometimes something changed in tabletop is forced into lore like the size of primaris marines
but that was such a dumb idea to put into lore
languid salmon
im talking lore here not tabletop
they are slower in lore as well due to how heavy duty the armor is
scenic bolt
I mean take it as it will but that's GW's internal policy
design team supercedes all since that's ultimately the product line that everything surrounding it is meant to sell
crystal forum
they are slower in lore as well due to how heavy duty the armor is
like i said, more sluggish not slower
crystal forum
design team supercedes all since that's ultimately the product line that everyth...
that doesn't have anything to do with what's cannon or not. that just means they focus on tabletop rules and aesthetics first.
why would they add additional lore info in rulebooks if the rules themselves were the lore
scenic bolt
it is in the sense that if there's a conflict between what's in say an army book or rule book vs a black library novel the play material supercedes it
crystal forum
like try explaining the fact that primaris will be able to use some old vehicles in 10th edition
languid salmon
modifications to the vehicles
languid salmon
like i said, more sluggish not slower
ok differentiate the two then just so I know what you are saying at this point
crystal forum
ok differentiate the two then just so I know what you are saying at this point
a truck that's loaded with bricks vs a truck without any load. both can reach fast speeds but they take different times to reach it
a terminator can run pretty fast but stopping is the hard part. it's a lot of momentum
languid salmon
ok where are you getting that idea as yes they do have momentum but that is just from mass not speed
crystal forum
some space marines are so good at using terminator armour that they use it like any old armour
languid salmon
source?
crystal forum
abbadon wore a terminator armour that way
it's stated that he moved like it wasn't any hindrance to him
languid salmon
abbadon has blessing of slannesh which helps him move better
crystal forum
this was before him turning to chaos
it's stated in one of the first three books
of the horus heresy i mean
languid salmon
wait wasn't their terminator armor back then that actually was meant to be more maneuverable back then?
crystal forum
the fact that it's outright stated that he can use it like regular armour hints that it was still heavy
languid salmon
yeah and?
crystal forum
it wouldn't be stated if it was normal for terminators to move fluidly
and anyways, my point is terminators can still run pretty fast
they're not slow tanks
languid salmon
sounds like a very rare exception not the rule
crystal forum
they're still shock troops, they're meant to strike fast and hard
you wouldn't be able to just outrun a terminator or stay far from them. that's what i was trying to say if we return to the terminator vs rejects scenario
languid salmon
they are built for fighting in zone mortlis which is close corridors where you need heavy armor to not get murdered by the nasty things the galaxy can throw at you, not speed. hard yes but they are definently not ment for speed they are meant for maximum protection
crystal forum
that's true. But it's inaccurate to act like you could run circles around them or exploit their slugginess in any reasonable way unless you're a genestealer who can cut them in half with a couple of claw strikes
in melee combat they'd be a lot less of a threat than the regular space marines BUT they also have a lot more experience in compensating for that weakness. whether you're able to exploit it is pretty unlikely
languid salmon
its plausible, not easy or recommended but plausible. the bigger problem is that they teleport in and you can't deal with them as they have incredibly protective armor that running around them does not do much if anything other than delay the inevitable
crystal forum
its plausible, not easy or recommended but plausible. the bigger problem is that...
if we're staying in the confines of what's available in game, the plasma gun would be the main threat here. if you can manage to somehow catch the terminator unaware you could kill it with a single shot
celest cedar
I Always thought the power armor isnt necessarily super heavy. You just need a lot of training and practice to use it. Kind of like medieval knights and plate armor. Until recently theres a lot of misconceptions and myths surrounding plate armor. One of them being you cant move very well inside plate. This myth and a whole lot other ones are proven to be wrong.
languid salmon
if we're staying in the confines of what's available in game, the plasma gun wou...
don't forget power weapons especially the ogryns power maul as they are tough enough to get close enough to use it
crystal forum
space marines are very maneuverable with their power armour. not only is it powered, it's also like a second skin to them. most of the benefits from the armour i've noticed are the enhanced senses, the fresh air supply and just the weight to punch things very hard
The only thing i know for sure is they can't swim with normal armour. it's explicitly stated in at least one novel i've read
languid salmon
I Always thought the power armor isnt necessarily super heavy. You just need a l...
normal power armor is fine and adds a good deal of maneuverability to protection ratio. terminator armor is just another level at a cost. in fact space marine can interact with their suits that they lose practically no maneuverability at all
languid salmon
The only thing i know for sure is they can't swim with normal armour. it's expli...
then again don't the extra lungs allow them to breath under water... for some reason
crystal forum
wouldn't help much if they're at the bottom of the ocean
languid salmon
they can walk
crystal forum
well in the book i read the planet was completely chaos tainted so i don't think they'd survive long down there
languid salmon
fair
crystal forum
there's a surprising lack of actual naval settings in 40k
languid salmon
theres ork submarines
crisp heath
I found the excerpt I was looking for
‘Wait!’ yelled Telemenus, but his warning came too late. The audio pick-ups brought the sound of splintering woods and crumbling ferrocrete followed by an almighty crash.
Daellon cursed without pause over the vox.
‘Report,’ barked Arbalan.
‘Brother Daellon misjudged the load bearing of some internal stairs, brother-sergeant,’ said Telemenus, trying not to laugh. For once he was glad somebody else was attracting the negative scrutiny. There was a chuckle from Cadmael and a sigh from Arbalan.
‘Daellon, can you climb out?’ asked the sergeant.
‘Negative, a three metre drop at least. The floor will not hold my weight to pull myself up.’
‘No threats detected,’ Telemenus added, his auspex sensors encompassing the long row of huts.
‘Understood,’ said Arbalan. He sounded impatient. ‘Daellon, remain in place, I will signal for an armoury extraction team. Telemenus, rejoin the squad. ```It's from Master of Sanctity. Daellon just hangs out there until they get a crane to pull him out.
languid salmon
the other reason terminator armor isn't always used
crystal forum
i think the main reason is how rare they are
languid salmon
yep.
crystal forum
some chapters literally don't have any
meanwhile some chapters are hogging most of them
crisp heath
Meanwhile Carcharodons are just absolutely hoarding terminator armor
languid salmon
and then theres the dark angels with enough for a whole company
crystal forum
yeah older chapters of course have a shit load of them
summer rover
i think the dark angels make their own anyways, they seem to have a lot of manufacturing that's forgotten elsewhere.
crisp heath
The Novamarines have a terminator company iirc as well
languid salmon
its also much easier to to repair old suits than make new ones
crystal forum
that's debatable
some tech is so old that repairing it is impossible
they just prefer not using them needlessly
crisp heath
The Sharks were slow to adopt Primaris but the tradeoff was they have a lot of loose terminators, I think in the novels part of one company has 4 terminators, and Tyberos is the most termie of termies
languid salmon
they figure out how to shove primaris inot terminator armor though
crisp heath
Yeah the thing with the Carcharodons is they didn't have the tech to make Primaris though. They knew how, just didn't have the materials.
That's probably changed now since GW is phasing out the "primaris" terminology and they're just "space marines" now.
crystal forum
they figure out how to shove primaris inot terminator armor though
more proof that the "primaris are bigger than firstborn" thing was an incredibly dumb idea to apply literally to lore
it's so inconsistent
languid salmon
they never said how big though. also its 40K every thing is inconsistent
crystal forum
it's stated in a couple of places that it's pretty noticeable
crisp heath
Normal space marines don't even fit in terminator armor, those things are proportional nightmares
languid salmon
that can be anywhere from 3 inches to a foot
crystal forum
it was a dumb idea anyways to apply to lore. GW wanted properly sized space marine models and they wanted to force players to buy the new vehicles. Now they're backtracking and it's messing up a lot of lore they created
they could have just invented some other dumb reason
crisp heath
I don't think they're really backtracking as much as "slowing down". I think in the next 5 years all marines are going to be Primaris
Like I said, they're just sold as "space marines" now, firstborn are the odd ones out at this point
crystal forum
the marines yeah but i don't think the community will ever let them phase out the old vehicles. rhinos are too iconic to be replaced by funky grav tanks
crisp heath
They killed my boxnought 😢
languid salmon
it will. in all honesty I hope they give it a break at some point other factions need it far more than marines and theres a certain point where you overload the marine player market with options
crisp heath
They gave the marines so much stuff that even the space marine players don't want the new stuff lmao
crystal forum
i just hate that i have to look at forge world to get more options for guardsmen vehicles
i'd love more tank variety for the second most popular faction in 40k
languid salmon
I used to like marines but they have gotten so much stuff that I'm starting to get sick of seeing them unless they are dead on another factions base
languid salmon
i'd love more tank variety for the second most popular faction in 40k
chaos?
crystal forum
i think there's more krieg shovel memes than chaos memes
languid salmon
just because a faction has more memes does not mean its played more.
crystal forum
true but memes
celest cedar
Hehe shovel
crystal forum
i hope guardsmen are less terminally neglected in rules in 10th
celest cedar
Heheheheehhe shovel
languid salmon
same I want veterans back
crisp heath
Shovel meme good, dont @ me
celest cedar
Shovel meme good, dont @ me
@ no
languid salmon
also more ogryn stuff
crystal forum
i hope conscripts are a thing
also maybe having heavy weapon teams and baneblades not being cool but useless set pieces
languid salmon
they probably will be as it means people will spend more money on cheap caff
crystal forum
from what i see leman russes will be strong
crisp heath
I'm still mad about the new termagants but I am happy we're getting bug boys
crystal forum
they probably will be as it means people will spend more money on cheap caff
meticulously painting a guardsmen to be unique only for him to die instantly in a barrage 
languid salmon
I'm still mad about the new termagants but I am happy we're getting bug boys
they look good and I was going to get some until I found out they shrank termagaunt max unit sizes.
crystal forum
they're trying to sell less plastic for the same price!
crisp heath
they look good and I was going to get some until I found out they shrank termaga...
I just don't like that they made them less cute
languid salmon
did they shrink the models you get for a box of termagaunts?
crisp heath
They used to be like, freaky puppies
languid salmon
they look like an updated version of the old models to me
crisp heath
gants were adorable ;-;
No the old ones had rounder, squisher faces and their arms looked more nubby and their poses were kind of playful and they were just the cutest little babies
languid salmon
eh I don't see but if you say so
arctic talon
i hope guardsmen are less terminally neglected in rules in 10th
Guard was really good in 10e
Tbh
waxen wave
necromundan spiders number 1#
crisp heath
Lore question
Why did the Emperor trust Horus when his last name was literally “Heresy.”
languid salmon
his middle name was "wont"
full bane
more proof that the "primaris are bigger than firstborn" thing was an incredibly...
To be fair, the lore on Space Marine sizes has always been inconsistent. We're had short-ass marines who were barely taller than a regular human (and so ripped that the Chapter's Techmarines told him to stop bulking because they weren't going to refit his armour for him anymore), and tall ass marines who tower over their brothers.
Primaris all just leaning towards the latter wasn't that bad imo. It was them somehow not being able to fit into the same vehicles and the weird segregation in terms of gear and equipment that compounded the issue I feel
crystal forum
they could have used other reasons like primaris armour being required to interface with the new vehicles
the size thing feels like a writer saw the changes to the model and threw out the idea in a brainstorm then they decided to go with it
vale shuttle
Guard was really good in 10e
10e hasn't happened yet so i have to assume you're from the future
so uh. what're the changes in 11th 12th and 13th and do we get Sisters cavalry?
celest dome
Sister had special rule to get IG troops no ?
heavy bison
i hope conscripts are a thing
I feel like conscripts will be lost under the No models no rules thing unless GW release a non-cadian generic infantry line. Even through Cadians are very much generic.
Conscripts will be huge for infantry guard armies if they do bro go them back.
rose thorn
I feel like conscripts will be lost under the No models no rules thing unless GW...
I sure do love the fact that CSM’s strongest model fell down a pit
rose thorn
Master of possession
heavy bison
I know they lost a bunch of their cool demon engines.
heavy bison
Pretty easy kitbash though.
green loom
I'm gaming tbh
heavy bison
I was like O.o but rolled with it.
hallow saddle
Ahh right
green loom
Do they not sell it?
rose thorn
Nope
hallow saddle
Yeah they need to just release it!! It's on a separate sprue already even
green loom
lel
rose thorn
It’s available in the 8th edition start collecting only
hallow saddle
It's there and ready to go
heavy bison
Afaik people could just sub in any chaos sorc though right?
rose thorn
My guess is that they dropped the mold in a hole
hallow saddle
It was on its own small sprue in that box
rose thorn
Afaik people could just sub in any chaos sorc though right?
Yea lol
green loom
It's there and ready to go
rose thorn
Tbh I don’t like the model very much because it’s like the most mono pose shit ever
Even a head swap is a pain
crimson kayak
But there’s no master of possession models lmao
there's the one from shadowspear
rose thorn
And most colors look too uhhh
rose thorn
there's the one from shadowspear
Oh yeah
hallow saddle
I swapped the head on mine, I'm gonna convert it more so it's not floating
heavy bison
I dig it, but I like CSM when they look like a Frank Frazetta piece.
rose thorn
Makes it too busy that’s it
crimson kayak
heavy bison
Master of Posession looks like he's a Skeletor Fanboy and living his hest life.
rose thorn
I swapped the head on mine, I'm gonna convert it more so it's not floating
I fucked uo my head swap so I’m placing one of my CSM start collecting greater possessed on its front instead
crimson kayak
yeah blackstone has some great models
hallow saddle
I reckon you were thinking of exalted champion?
Cause that actually does have no model
crimson kayak
even through i would substitute the non-marine ones with the new cultists from the inquisition killteam box
rose thorn
And forced it to have a stupid fucking combi melta
crimson kayak
true
rose thorn
Who the fuck has a combi melta
rose thorn
<#735941248036241489> out of Lore though.
Oh fair
celest dome
Who the fuck has a combi melta
Think the Sister used to have it ?
crimson kayak
sternguard too
rose thorn
Idk what clan I should make my ork commandos, I like the death skulls and snake bites
And blood axes
I know the one in the art is actually blood axes
Actually I like all the clans pretty
Equally
crimson kayak
when in doubt, freebooters
and just have them all in there lol
can especially work in kill team, as the different clans can make each one stand out more
rose thorn
when in doubt, freebooters
While that’s true and a year ago I would have gone with them, deathskulls Cannonically has a cowboy and nothing can beat that
Or is google gaslighting me
Ork google gaslit me
near wasp
Orks gaslight everybody
rose thorn
I thought Gurnak Six-Gunz was a cowboy
Lmao
A cowboy ork is actually a good idea for an ork warboss
queen laurel
Orks gaslight everybody
by gaslight they mean flame thrower
near wasp
Ill drown an orc in promethium then set it on fire
queen laurel
Ill drown an orc in promethium then set it on fire
do you think they have promethium squigs
near wasp
I honestly do not know i was just gonna use a 55 gallon drum
queen laurel
do you think they have promethium squigs
i mean oil squigs exist
OK hold on let me research where does promethium come from
ok i think they just use oil squigs as the fuel source for the Burnas
it's been awhile since i checked my Ork lore
crimson kayak
tbf you can grow a squig into literally anything
still surprised there's still not a squig grown into a shoota
queen laurel
still surprised there's still not a squig grown into a shoota
a Shooty squig
that's an interesting idea
but the tyranids already got the living gun gimmick
near wasp
Boxing gloves but the gloves are just squigs
green loom
Promethium iirc is basically everything
queen laurel
yeah oil squigs just make organic promethium
heavy bison
still surprised there's still not a squig grown into a shoota
So basically a Gatlian from that cringe FPS game recently?
Squiggat
rose thorn
imma do deathskulls and tallarn desert raider <333
undone chasm
I have question surrounding the Strike Teams in Darktide
Do they have names? Like Strike Team DL-12/11 or something? I simply can't believe they wouldn't have any names for the many strike teams they have
celest dome
They might have identification codes but not ones that we know of
undone chasm
Yeah I figured identification woulds would be the bare minimum at least
They'd need to keep track of what Strike Team goes on what mission
Thank you!
green loom
They probably keep track of leading acolytes?
undone chasm
That too
I'd also like to think that there are set Strike Teams and they try to always pair up the same 4 people since they already worked together etc
That way they can work with their synergies and stuff, but of course sometimes Strike Teams change and people get mixed on some missions for different reasons (someone is sick or not suited for that mission) but afterwards they return to their OG squad
green loom
It's like playing XCOM
You have a bunch of operatives with skill sets
And you swap them out as needed
undone chasm
Would the Inquisition assign one of them as the squad leader for the mission for callouts and that? A well trained accolyte would make a good squad leader
green loom
Usually trusted acolytes/people picked for that skill set
crimson kayak
I have question surrounding the Strike Teams in Darktide
Do they have names? Lik...
you do hear team names like the one you said from the vox broadcaster on the mourningstar, but i think that due to elevated attrition rates of being a penal legion none really stick with us
undone chasm
you do hear team names like the one you said from the vox broadcaster on the mou...
You do? I remember the vox announcer saying things about the ports and missions, but I haven't had anything else
Gotta log in now to hear them fhjifhdfh
crimson kayak
You do? I remember the vox announcer saying things about the ports and missions,...
i do remember strike team something something said once
can't remember the line
anyhow yeah, we don't have any "official" designation except Morrow's Rejects
undone chasm
anyhow yeah, we don't have any "official" designation except Morrow's Rejects
Time to hang in the hub and listen to the vox announcer
But what's that about Morrow's Rejects? 👀
storm jungle
Its said in the vox-transmission that teased the Comms-plex mission
storm jungle
Would the Inquisition assign one of them as the squad leader for the mission for...
Also its pretty much more or less close to actual military squad formations, its just that in this case you are split into smaller strike teams to go around Atoma to do spec-ops actions, its why every time we deploy we go past PDF forces holding chokepoints while we go in to deal with the actual mess.
By the time you reach Level 30 you are an official Inquisition goon or Acolyte in this case, one among many sure but at the very least an official part of the Warband that has taken the Hereticus Oath
crystal forum
i don't think the strike teams have conventional squad leaders. the rejects are experienced enough to know how to carry out their missions without needing squad level commands. it's like how special forces usually don't have a squad leader that performs like a regular army one.
storm jungle
It entirely depends
a leader figure is always needed in operations
even if there isnt a designated one you'll always naturally want one
its like how in Left 4 Dead everyone can handle themselves but both survivor groups look to the older people like Coach and a Vietnam vet like Bill for guidance
even if they arent the "official" leader
heavy bison
I think they'll just arise naturally. And some loose cannons might not listen and the unit will lose cohesion. Just like the actual gameplay.
They'll sink or swim.
storm jungle
Also yeah this, its important to remember a lot of people die before even becoming Acolytes, we are the rare exceptions
crystal forum
the leader figure is useful yes. that's how i believe most special forces i know of use it. The difference i'm pointing out is how in regular armies squad leaders are the ones who give orders and are the ones who have to do the most tactical thinking
crimson kayak
Also yeah this, its important to remember a lot of people die before even becomi...
i mean, attrition rates for the rejects are high enough for morrow to ask for more prisoners after all
storm jungle
i mean, attrition rates for the rejects are high enough for morrow to ask for mo...
Yeee
crystal forum
and yeah i'm assuming we're talking about level 30 rejects who've gone through the meat grinder
storm jungle
Yeah they wouldnt make you take the Hereticus Oath and stuff if you were still just cannon fodder
crystal forum
it's stated a lot in the cutscenes that past level 25 or something it's no longer just luck that keeps them alive, it's genuine skill
crimson kayak
Time to hang in the hub and listen to the vox announcer
But what's that about M...
as the other's said, nickname given by Melk to us as Morrow's our commanding officer
it's funny though cause we don't know if the "Operator" guard npc on the Mourningstar are Rejects or not, yet sometimes you can hear one saying you still owe them a team-up
heavy bison
Yeah they wouldnt make you take the Hereticus Oath and stuff if you were still j...
They're still cannon fodder, still expendable, still rejects. They're all still going to die, they just might as well be usefull before that time arises.
storm jungle
They're still cannon fodder, still expendable, still rejects. They're all still ...
Nah you are proper soldiers at that point
crimson kayak
Nah you are proper soldiers at that point
yes but we are still a penal battalion
undone chasm
By the time you reach Level 30 you are an official Inquisition goon or Acolyte i...
Do the inquisitors in darktide still go on missions or do they now hang around on the mourningstar?
undone chasm
as the other's said, nickname given by Melk to us as Morrow's our commanding off...
Oh I see I see!
storm jungle
yes but we are still a penal battalion
You rise out of the status of a penal battallion once you become a part of the warband
heavy bison
Nah you are proper soldiers at that point
Soldiers of the Imperium are still expendable. >.>
crystal forum
They're still cannon fodder, still expendable, still rejects. They're all still ...
at some point you do become an asset. an expendable one but an asset nonetheless
storm jungle
Do the inquisitors in darktide still go on missions or do they now hang around o...
The Inquisitor in charge of us is not on the scene
crimson kayak
You rise out of the status of a penal battallion once you become a part of the w...
sadly we don't know enough about the actual structure of the warband and what it includes or not
storm jungle
Grendyl is off doing his own stuff
crystal forum
they'd prefer you not dying if the situation doesn't require it
crimson kayak
as far as we are aware it may even only be the "player character" the one taking the hereticus oath
storm jungle
Nah
the voiceline says they all took the oath
Its not just "I took it"
its why you get access to more upgraded gear and less garbage
same with your uniforms etc
crimson kayak
oh wait, that's true, my bad
storm jungle
All fine
these are like
blink and miss details
theres over like 100000 voicelines and most people barely hear all of them
crimson kayak
blink and miss details
yeah mate you can totally see the traitor before the level 30 cutscene doing traitor stuff said traitor's tip of the feet appearing once in a single cutscene
storm jungle
Literally
shes in almost every cutscene too
but its still like
"Who the fuck were you again...?"
heavy bison
I think thats the hint.
That they're always with a new crew.
IE always getting their squad killed.
crystal forum
finally somebody says it
once you do a second character you notice that the traitor is in like half the cutscenes
crimson kayak
That they're always with a new crew.
now if only they all didn't look like generic background characters that would be fine
heavy bison
Still fits.
But yeah, would be better if they gave the various cutscene NPC's a little more uniqueness.
crimson kayak
like, the most prominent one is the one at the start, where she's well, using the green heresy prison garb
heavy bison
Even just some unique gear decals.
crystal forum
definitely not suspicious that this one person keeps returning alive without a squad
crisp heath
I mean the logic I always used was that each voice is a distinct character and who you're actually playing with and their customized character is just cosmetic
storm jungle
Thats the implication yeah
crisp heath
So there's only like, 12 main characters altogether
storm jungle
tho uh
crimson kayak
I mean the logic I always used was that each voice is a distinct character and w...
cadian alone without a squad
crystal forum
i can imagine cadians immediately finding eachother and creating a gang in the ship because everybody else finds them annoying
crimson kayak
i can imagine cadians immediately finding eachother and creating a gang in the s...
lol, so it would be 3 main reject teams, plus a fourth all guardsman party - ptsd edition
storm jungle
the Judge voice actor confirmed on a stream where if you both play the same character you can get voicelines where you interact with each other with the same voice like its fucking Clone Wars
crisp heath
I mean that's easy. One is the "real" bully or judge or whatever, the other is just a mook who happens to have a similar personality.
Of course each player is going to interpret the other as the mook
crisp heath
It's really not 4d chess to justify a small-scale plot in a game with a lot of players
storm jungle
but it is pretty funny
shame because i never had a team with the same 4 voice actors
crystal forum
4 vets activating special at the same time
crisp heath
4 cadians
heavy bison
4 Cadians, the most edge
crystal forum
because cadia stands
storm jungle
The issue is the dialogue changes as you level up, so when you are at the low levels he does not SHUT THE FUCK UP about Cadia
once you level him up hes great
crisp heath
I forgot which voice is the scottish zealot, but 4 of those would be enough to move me to tears
They're beautiful
storm jungle
Agitator i think
YON BARREL
KINDRED, THE BARREL
YON BARREL IS ABOUT TO BLOOOOOW
crystal forum
if he loves cadia so much why is he a prisoner
crisp heath
She's my type ngl
crisp heath
To better serve cadia
heavy bison
Agitator is great, though I love the female Zealot that gets all excited about Heavy Flamers.
crystal forum
imagine GW announces that cadians are given a new home planet and they call it cadia II
crystal forum
oh so is that where all these cadians come from
crisp heath
Some Cadians live on New Cadia, some just wander the void until they're deployed
heavy bison
The Loose cannon and cadian back and forth is gold. "You'll come apart at the last minute, just like Cadia"
storm jungle
I think uh
the LEAST and RAREST used Reject voice is that one female zealot who speaks with "Doust thou not heed thy call?"
I got almost 1500 hours and i think i heard her in like 4-10 games
heavy bison
the LEAST and RAREST used Reject voice is that one female zealot who speaks with...
I think thats the one I mean.
storm jungle
Yeah shes VERY barely used by anyone
if we get more slots in the future im deffo gonna make a zealot as her, my one is Judge atm
heavy bison
I used it on my Zealot.
green loom
New Cadia exists
That and dozens to hundreds of planets that adopted the Cadian lifestyle
green loom
Every city a fortress, every house a bunker, every child an armed militant 
storm jungle
always loved that lore lol
green loom
It's not an army with a state, the state is the army
green loom
I think it's used more when referencing Prussia but close enough
Also why does this Dogehammer guy continue to strike gold
crystal forum
african war lords salivating at the idea
green loom
The average African warlord would either make a good chaos lord or a very good planetary governor
Trader lore
heavy bison
her performance is incredibly underrated
If its Agitator, its gold. Just because of the first Bio voice line XD
"As for that Hab block...."
green loom
Me, sitting quietly enjoying my Professional 
heavy bison
I went Prof for my Guardsman.
Male Prof for guardsman, FRENCH Female for my Psyker (forget the name) Bodyguard for Ogryn and Female Agitator for Zealot
heavy bison
I don't mind Female Loner.
storm jungle
Female Loner has that cute european accent i like her
shes mean but in a lovable-jerk way
crystal forum
"I got a pass from Big E its okay"
trust me inquisitor it's for the good of the imperium
heavy bison
Yeah, she bounces off Zealots well, kind of like Sienna and Saltz
But I can't get over 🇫🇷 **"ENGAGING WARP PROTOCOL"**🇫🇷
crystal forum
sometimes you have to step back and realize the humour in the fact that a millennia old piece of paper signed by a now chair-ridden corpse grants more authority than a top level general
crimson kayak
sometimes you have to step back and realize the humour in the fact that a millen...
tbf think of it as showing you have a document written by what like, 90% of the populance considers God
crystal forum
quite literally on a mission from god
storm jungle
green loom
I only like female savant because she reminds me of Fiora from League
earnest snow
Dog
balmy abyss
That tight
pure wave
I gotta hear this, When the emperor finally gets out of his throne, what would he be doing?
Oh and did the emperor approve of the creation of the servitors?
rose thorn
oh yeah this isnt lore related but since this chat is more active then 40k lore chat
be aware amazon still has leviathen in stock
<3
im too broke to buy it atm
shadow plover
Oh and did the emperor approve of the creation of the servitors?
Yeah servitors were a thing long before he started his nap on the throne
storm jungle
I gotta hear this, When the emperor finally gets out of his throne, what would h...
That question is incredibly broad to be answered tbh
Hes basically a deranged psychic maniac at this point
Also yeah the Imperium was evil since its very inception, 30k Imperium was no different than its modern counterpart minus religion and more advanced tech and armies
pure wave
What of the servitors? And those cherubs?
green loom
Doesn't care, all cogs in the machine, assets to be used
Like make no mistake the guy isn't human
pure wave
Now those are abominations in my book
green loom
And if he was he'd probably be the biggest psychopath you'd ever meet
pure wave
The emperor is not just one person, correct?
green loom
He is one entity
storm jungle
^
He was made from the souls of a thousand shamans but that lore hasnt been mentioned since rogue trader
its in a murky spot
green loom
All we know for sure, maybe, is that he was born in ancient anatolia
pure wave
Ah... Ok
storm jungle
Its pretty simple, you can prob learn more from reading his lexicanum page since its the most up to date thing
green loom
And heavily fact checked
Anyway Emps is very much hardcore lawful evil, a golden god, and a gilded tyrant
rose thorn
a literal god who doesnt deserve to be one lmao
storm jungle
Yeah people forget that the Emperor wasnt "chosen" by anyone
he was literally the person with the biggest stick at the right moment at the right time
green loom
Innuendo applicable, may not be entirely untrue either
pure wave
That answers my question then
green loom
He used to be called the Master of the Lines, does this mean he fixed peoples' genes or had sex with them, i wonder 
pure wave
May the Orks bring Ragnarork or the Tyrannids have a premium buffet
pure wave
All my remorse for them just fell out of the gutter
storm jungle
Yeah if you read more about Big E in 30k you'll see he's just a dipshit
green loom
He's got a massive martyr complex
storm jungle
he also doesnt "protect" anyone that isnt of any use to him, 99% of all human souls in the galaxy that die go to get torn apart by daemons
green loom
No surprise it spread to literally fucking everyone by m40
rose thorn
he also is the lead cause of like 3/4 problems in the galaxy
rose thorn
uhHH necrons, then eldar, then him
green loom
That was a side effect of the warp being the warp
green loom
Big E's machinations gave them all powerful champions in real space and a massive empire to leech off of
storm jungle
^
rose thorn
also even worse, hes a fucking hypocrit
storm jungle
Chaos has always existed, it only got violent after the necrons and eldar went to war with each other which made the Warp turbulent, by the time of 30k all the mentioned stuff above happened
In layman's terms the Eldar/Necrons accidentally set the ground but humanity basically ruined everything
green loom
Depending on which book you read it also doesn't matter because chaos transcends time and has thus always existed 
rose thorn
emperor: cry yell wojack: NOOO YOU CAN USE CHAOS
emperor like 4 months earlier: "hey space satan, i need a chair"
pure wave
Glad i now parlay with Gork and Mork then
Humanity is too far gone, ragnarork shall end it
green loom
Not that this'll stop me from dying for the Emperor
pure wave
Those are strange looking ones
green loom
Yeah they're bullpup lasguns with carry handles
pure wave
Yeah... Strange but i can see it's pros
green loom
Pros: it looks cool, it looks cool, it looks cool, it looks cool
Cons: people think bullpups are stupid and will make fun of you
green loom
Don't think they tend to have longer barrels, they can just retain barrel length while being more compact/shorter
pure wave
Ghazgkhull had surgery done to him to become bigger. I wonder if this can be repeated
Thus creating a new powerful enemy for the damned imperium
I'd call them the "Orkstarteez"
The Orkstarteez Dreadnobz
green loom
It probably can
pure wave
Created using the fleshy bitz collected from the fallen astartes and a looted dreadnought chassis
green loom
They don't need fleshy bits from Astartes, the average Ork probably matches or rivals the Astartes in physical might
pure wave
Then other orks then
And maybe even those giant squig
With these Boyz, they probably wouldnt need to waste teef on deff dreads and Killakans
They'll just have to buy em bigger guns
pure wave
They don't need fleshy bits from Astartes, the average Ork probably matches or r...
I suddenly remembered that one blood angel that got butchered by a nob, nob treated the poor bastard like fresh cattle with his choppa
green loom
Orks are not wholesome creature
Conditions for their slaves are so bad they make Astartes sick
pure wave
Worse than the fate of a servitor? I find that hard to believe
green loom
Hey at least as a servitor you're functionally dead
Ork slaves have their teeth torn out, fed a weird sludge, and the "lead" slaves have teeth hammered into their foreheads
pure wave
That's it?
green loom
Conditions aboard Ork vessels remain unlisted
pure wave
Laughable, anyway
green loom
It's at least illegal to leave servitors normally sentient
pure wave
I wonder how the imperium feels about looted gear
pure wave
Looted dreadnoughts, titans and knights
green loom
Oh they definitely recover as much of those as they can
pure wave
Tbh those moving eyesores that are the knights deserve such a fate
I find the gorkanauts more appealing
Especially with that sexy mega blasta
green loom
Quaestor Mechanicus houses have it coming
pure wave
Especially with that sexy mega blasta
minor ingot
Worse than the fate of a servitor? I find that hard to believe
Most servitors are vat grown and 100% non sentient, and in novels are basically used as robot stand-ins because the lore says robots are bad, they just do the exact same thing
Servitors are only edgy when it's like, used as a punishment by the inquisition or the mechanicum
Otherwise they're literally just robots with fleshy skin bits because lore says so
arctic talon
Most servitors are vat grown and 100% non sentient, and in novels are basically ...
This is objectively wrong
And said as much in the admech codex
minor ingot
I never read the admech codex, can I have a link or a screenie?
arctic talon
Servitors are about a 50/50 split between criminals and vat grown
minor ingot
lmao gonna be honest criminals slipped my mind
arctic talon
And vat grown that aren’t smart enough
Usually get turned into servitors
Like vatgrown children for tech priests
To raise as kids
The rest of the batch Cawl was part of
Got turned into servitors
Objectively speaking his batch was a failure but he ended up smart enough
storm jungle
Most servitors are vat grown and 100% non sentient, and in novels are basically ...
Yeah this is entirely and completley wrong, the lore makes a big case of saying a lot of the servitors in the Imperium are forcefully augmented and largely innocent people
it doesnt help that "criminal" is a very loose term
pure wave
After hearing what the ones in darktide had to say... Better to put an end to it once all it's medicae reserves are exhausted
arctic talon
But yeah technically all of Cawls siblings got turned into servitors
storm jungle
one 40k book has a mother servitorized because she stole some food for her kids
arctic talon
Which is one of his core memories ironically
storm jungle
The scary aspect of servitors and the "horror" is mostly from the fact that you can be turned into one for any bullshit reason.
If they were entirely bad people you wouldn't exactly give a shit in comparison.
minor ingot
But if they broke the Lex Imperialis can you say they were really good people
arctic talon
I mean
minor ingot
I'm joking lol
storm jungle
But if they broke the Lex Imperialis can you say they were really good people
this is a certified Joe Biden moment
pure wave
The scary aspect of servitors and the "horror" is mostly from the fact that you ...
"Dereliction of duty" and "Lack of faith"
Or was it misplaced faith?
storm jungle
Those are one among many reasons ye
arctic talon
this is a certified Joe Biden moment
storm jungle
AAA
arctic talon
Adeptus arbites found footage
minor ingot
This is why we turn people into servitors
minor ingot
Its crazy how different depictions of the arbites are depending on who is writing the novel
inquisition too
I'm re-reading through Eisenhorn and they have courts and shit and dont turn people into servitors on a whim
storm jungle
With the Inquisition its normal because every inquisitor is different alongside the conclave/ordo they serve.
Arbites less so where its just bad writing lol
minor ingot
Honestly yeah
Like the first Ciaphas Cain novel
people legit just walking around in full xeno getup and the arbites arent doing anything
you could argue that they're xenoist too but ALL of them
not a chance
storm jungle
Yeah Cain is more of a loose-canon comedy series
minor ingot
Yeah honestly I get the hype but I went through the first one and I havent had the urge to pick up the next.
storm jungle
Okay so to be blunt
the Cain books are fun
but
every fucking book is the same shit
minor ingot
I thought so
I had the FEELING
Like there's only so much you can go with this concept
Should have made Cain a rogue trader instead of a commissar
get into wacky wild adventures in dark space
where you dont have to go by imperial canon as much
or just be Dan Abnett and make your own shit up (this is the inferior option)
arctic talon
people legit just walking around in full xeno getup and the arbites arent doing ...
Fun fact this is brought up later it’s because Cain calls enforcers arbites
Even if they aren’t actually arbites
arctic talon
Later one
I forget which book
But I am 100% sure Amberly makes this comment
Cain just doesn’t give a shit and I doubt an enforcer is gona correct him lol
summer rover
i'd expect a lot of hive inforcers call themselves arbites when there's nobody around to tell them otherwise.
arctic talon
i'd expect a lot of hive inforcers call themselves arbites when there's nobody a...
Palantine enforcers aka arbites cosplayers
summer rover
hello margeret
crystal forum
i'd expect a lot of hive inforcers call themselves arbites when there's nobody a...
you better believe an actual arbites would instantly kill you for trying that
rose thorn
thats not waht mag is short for 
summer rover
it is now
summer rover
you better believe an actual arbites would instantly kill you for trying that
i'm also sure they constantly kiss arbites ass when there's on on-world
rose thorn
funfact! tallarn dester raiders have thier own unique rough riders
desert*
and it had a model!
minor ingot
i'm also sure they constantly kiss arbites ass when there's on on-world
I'm sure everyone kisses Arbites ass when they're around
crystal forum
no when an arbites is around you get the hell out of there
winter vessel
And more unhinged
astral whale
Except 10x more violent
Pretty sure the real feds are actually 50x less lenient and competent than the average Arbites.
arctic talon
lmfao
astral whale
Let’s face it. The Arbites are the 1% of law enforcement. They have limited time that the average pickpocket or petty thief will probably be let off the hook in favor of the fence or the black market.
summer rover
Let’s face it. The Arbites are the 1% of law enforcement. They have limited time...
the arbites are like the 3%. the 1% is the inquisition, who would totally kill all arbites in a galactic system to find a major heritic in a heartbeat.
green loom
Or die trying
astral whale
the arbites are like the 3%. the 1% is the inquisition, who would totally kill a...
The Inquisition aren’t law enforcement. The Inquisition do not enforce the lex Imperialis. The Inquisition are more like the “damage control” of the Imperium.
celest cedar
Huh interesting
I thought it was more a therapist/psychological doctor
but I guess the latter fits into medical worker?
celest cedar
Seer diagnosed with delusional
Fanatic took this as a threat and goes defensive mode
green loom
Fanatic took this as a threat and goes defensive mode <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322...
Well they do say they made them go away for telling them they're deluded
Meaning they killed them, probably horribly
celest cedar
"go away" with how Seer's tone sounded somewhat...satisfactory when she says that. I think she did Brainbursted the poor doctor
Just as my Beloved wanted to of course
*40K trumps over Halo and GoW
Only thing I know of Halo is Master Chief
Not an Xbox kid either
green loom
It's not true because the other two are fkn dead
Halo maybe not
But I mean look at how big a shitshow infinite was and is
Iirc the multiplayer is fine now, but it won't change the mid story mode that's just a far cry game without the fun parts
Gears though is about as dead as can be
It has Laura Bailey as the protagonist VA, that seems like an omen for me
And is also just
Eh?
They didn't change up the cast is the thing
Yeah but Marcus and most others are still just
There
As plot points
Shit even Clayton comes back
The plot literally wouldn't happen without Baird
It also does nothing that's really new, is literally centered around rehashing an old enemy
And takes the mangled corpse of the other story that was finished off in 3 then starts puppeteering it
Tricky but established
celest dome
There are also possibility to make factions that are news, but at the same time are mostly remade from the previous one, usually it's Zombified ones, but for Gears I could have seen a new faction that use the bug people but upgraded/controlled by Machines
green loom
Probably anything would've been better than the leader of the human government chasing you like a petulant child and the locust just returning out of the blue
Also your character being the secret child of the villain
I liked JD though
Tbh
And it being just
Less than good
And nothing new
I wouldn't be so sure tbh
40k games are a coin flip on a good day
It's probably going to be mid
You can get a power sward which I like
Probably won't play it cus no money and PC not good enough
crisp heath
I'm looking forward to standing and shooting at endless hordes of nids
green loom
Anyway, would it be outlandish to have a sizable garrison of hypnoindoctrinated armed and armoured serfs protect a fortress monastery?
celest dome
Not really, I think the SW have their Serf act as Hyper PDF
green loom
Aight cool
arctic talon
Anyway, would it be outlandish to have a sizable garrison of hypnoindoctrinated ...
No
Serfs are most of the crew on space marine ships
crisp heath
I'm reading "Spear of the Emperor" rn and that's actually pretty much exactly the case in that novel
Except they aren't super brainwashed, they're still slaves but they're relatively free-thinkers
Granted the book only follows 3 of them specifically, they don't think of themselves as soldiers despite being better trained and armed than most regiments though
That might just be a peculiarty of the Mentor Legion since their whole shtick is sending one marine to train and lead armies of mortals
green loom
That might just be a peculiarty of the Mentor Legion since their whole shtick is...
Oh I mean yeah it's the whole battle serf thing
The "Helots" I think
They're right tbh, they aren't so much soldiers as they are aides to the marine fighting, helping run his gear and gather information for him
modern tapir
So. Where is the Dark Mechanicum in 40k now, and what are they doing?
maiden plover
That plasma pistol they are holding right there
it overheated and killed all of them in one fell swoop
rip
celest dome
So. Where is the Dark Mechanicum in 40k now, and what are they doing?
They are working for Chaos mosty, they are mostly keeping to themselves though
celest dome
That plasma pistol they are holding right there
Not a Plasma, it's a Gamma Pistol
green loom
You guys ever find any horrible homebrew chapters?
celest dome
Oh yeah
A lot
Some are horrible because they are simply badly written, or sometime just because they are themed on stuff they shouldn't
Most are just Mary/Gary Sue
green loom
What are some tropes you've noticed
I think the most notable ones are "Hates the Codex", "Traitor Successor" and "1000+ marines" for me
celest dome
One I see often, though paired with Traitor Successor are Plenty of Psykers
or Plenty of Specialist troops
Like I remember one HB chapter which were all armed with Plasma from base, and had plenty of Phosphex
There is also the Xenos weapons troops too
And the "Few but many"
Where they have a very large force that are noted, but very few actually are talked abou
green loom
The chapters with like
4000 marines but the only character detailed is the Chapter Master
Who is 2000 years old, uses an eldar sword and worships chaos
I think the only homebrews that come to similarly common tropes are SoBs
I've seen so, so many Slaanesh Sisters
celest dome
At least there isn't nothing bad in that, like I remember someone who had made a EC's (Or maybe UM) successor chapter that r# world into compliance
green loom
It's just very tropey
green loom
So made by closet racists?
crisp heath
No I'm specifically thinking about an Indian/hindu themed chapter I found once
crisp heath
Everything, and I mean everything, was cow themed, to the point of absurdity
celest dome
"Racist in the weirdest way possible"
I put them in the same category as those I just described
pure wave
Was it Nork deddog that pulled an entire tank for someone just because they needed a medkit? Or was it another ogryn?
pure wave
Was it true that only horus can kill the charonite ogryns?
And how exactly did the normal space marines react to the charonites?
crimson kayak
They are strong and on space marine level, but no, if only horus could kill a charonite 3/4 of the Traitor's would be mush
Essencially they where the imperial army/solar auxilia responce to half of their superhumans going traitor
vale shuttle
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crimson kayak
Lol, can't deny I said a couple of these personally
green loom
I found it while looking for stuff like this
celest dome
Make a Homebrew with the contrary of all those, not many Psyker, are confused and don't know if they are still loyalist or Chaos. Less than 3 victory on record
shadow plover
it would be pretty cool of them if they would 
plush mason
there is no real way to make a female space marine mini that looks like a space marine and denotes its female
hell even irl women in combat armor look just like men
in fact the only reason the sisters of battle have boob armor is so they cant be mistaken for men
because of the whole "no men at arms" thing
i wish that when GW discontinued the female space marine minis way back when that they had added lore that made it so a Y chromosome is needed to become a space marine because that would have been that
echo vault
Funniest Fantasy/40k villain? Mine is morghur, a beastman that is so pumped up with chaos mutations when his dad tried to strangle him when he was born his hands mutated, he spends his time harassing the wood elves by being an undying cancerous beast and as of AoS he's a lesser chaos god which he deserves, I think beastmen worship him now
celest dome
Moonclaw>Morghur
plush mason
Funniest Fantasy/40k villain? Mine is morghur, a beastman that is so pumped up w...
for me its Luthor Harkon
a vampire pirate with no past history of sailing that breaks his mind and his magic by messing around with lizardmen stuff? what isnt funny about that
oh and he stole a helhammer cannon from the empire and made it into a giant land artillery just because he could lol
echo vault
for me its Luthor Harkon
Any fantasy character that's just unashamedly insane is great, I love how one of cylostra direfin's heros is a doomed brettonian paladin that doesn't even like her music
plush mason
lol
echo vault
Who's the ork possessed j think by chaos in Warhammer fantasy
He is in total war with grimgor
echo vault
Azzagh the slaughterer
plush mason
yeah
echo vault
Yeah that guy, trying to think of more insane characters, skaven don't count they're already insane