40k-lore-chat

[summer rover]

remember, if the chaos gods say something that sounds wrong, it's because they don't have to make sense

[crisp heath]

I think the video that used to promote him also mentioned he was the embodiment of "the joy of creation"

[queen laurel]

So you telling me i can make a artificer warlock and worship him in DND?

[arctic talon]

Yes

an artificer would absolutely make a pact with Vashtor lol

an artificer + warlock would have vashtor as a paetron

[plush mason]

iirc when Abaddon talked to him he was shocked at how to the point Vashtorr was, there was no confusing hidden meanings or vague words like with most daemons of chaos

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats a big deal for em

[arctic talon]

Tbh he runs the Forge of souls

[storm jungle]

he literally is just honest

its more that his words are a bit complex

[arctic talon]

he doesn't try tricking you

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

in a traditional sense

he just uses really big and complex words

and if you don't understand them L for you

[storm jungle]

Yep

[crisp heath]

I think he's still a "creative" type, and him being straightforward is just a way of making him stand out from the rest of Chaos

[storm jungle]

you dont need much for that honestly

[arctic talon]

also vashtor ironically has always existed in the background

for 40k

mostly since we knew the Forge of souls had a master

[queen laurel]

looking at him i will believe that if tells me he can grab an ork gun and make it better than any mek boy alive, because i'm pretty sure he can

[arctic talon]

just not what they were/what they emobidied

[plush mason]

if he is a daemon of logic and science then while he may be creative it wouldnt be the kind of full on artistic stuff like Slannesh

[crisp heath]

All I know is that if Vashtorr was gauging interest in new chaos gods or dark mechanicum, it made me interested

[storm jungle]

basically

give us Darkmech

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

both imo

GW has always been on edge with showing us smaller chaos gods

I.E the Raptor God

[queen laurel]

Not gonna lie definitely this because come on you have mechanicum i want the edgy ones

[storm jungle]

man the mortal empires campaign in total warhammer 3 sure is awkward rn

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

Vashtorr is just bing chilling in his forge then be'lakor is in his basemen trying to make a super-chair to suck out a giant polar bear's soul

[summer rover]

it's honestly pretty funny, besides the big 4 you don't see any chaos gods in both fantasy and 40k.

[storm jungle]

im sure he appreciated that

[storm jungle]

Because tabletop

and its too much effort

and status quo doesnt need to change that much

[plush mason]

is vashtorr even in fantasy?

[storm jungle]

Nope

he literally got invented this year

[summer rover]

also bringing the horned rat into 40k would cause the admech to switch over for the most part

[plush mason]

lol

[queen laurel]

Honestly at this point i'm just waiting for malice to do something

Even just clapping would suffice

[crisp heath]

Isn't Drachnyen a minor god?

[storm jungle]

Nah

hes just a very strong daemon

[plush mason]

first he needs to be made fully canon unless that has already happened

[storm jungle]

Belakor is the only demi-god

[summer rover]

he can't because anything he'd do would make him look more like malal and they can't do that.

[arctic talon]

Belakor can never become a full god

mostly since he's just a super juiced up undivided daemon prince

[queen laurel]

Malice is canon malal is not

That's the easiest description that you can give to someone confused

[storm jungle]

Naw

he was but not anymore

[arctic talon]

wait

they changed that

[storm jungle]

the chaos codex SPECIFICALLY says hes a demi-god

to quote

ahem

[arctic talon]

Warhammer fantasy has trolled me once more

[storm jungle]

Be'lakor is to a Daemon Prince as most Daemon Princes are to the mortal beings they once were. Fuctionally he has become a demigod of the warp, not so great as Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle or Tzeentch, but certainly possessed of both the metaphysical might and the mortal worshippers to qualify him as a power in his own right.

[arctic talon]

ah

so he might as well be a minor chaos god

at this point

[storm jungle]

this is from the new codex tho

also its bad because like

[plush mason]

is he still the first daemon prince to ever exist?

[arctic talon]

yes

[storm jungle]

Yes

but like

[arctic talon]

in 40k and fantasy

[storm jungle]

the shitty thing is

hes a lot better in fantasy

since the scope is small

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

[storm jungle]

and its more epic and grand

[arctic talon]

He's way cooler in fantasy

[storm jungle]

in 40k

hes literally there

because uh

[arctic talon]

he hasn't done shit in 40k

[storm jungle]

"shared daemon model, we need one"

[arctic talon]

aside from like

trolling all of Metalica

by stealing their moon

[storm jungle]

Yeah he basically suffers from the same shit greater daemon characters like Kugath and Kairos do

where their fantasy lore is a lot more badass than 40k

where they just get jobbed by primarchs

or chapter masters

[queen laurel]

Yeah trying to make something in 40k look grand and amazing is quite hard because of the scale of it

[crisp heath]

Anyway I want some lesser daemons of the machine to go with Vashtorr because the aesthetic is just too good, easily my favorite Chaos look (sorry Nurgle)

[queen laurel]

If this character does something it is overshadowed by a character doing something even greater

[storm jungle]

Yep this.

[plush mason]

thats a W in my book

[arctic talon]

Belakor convering 90% of house raven

• stealing metalicas moon

[crisp heath]

Hitting Vashtorr with a steel chair

[arctic talon]

• being half the reason metalica is even shittier then it was before

was neat

[storm jungle]

He does uhhhh A LITTLE™️ bit of trolling

[arctic talon]

also yeah he bashed Vashtorrs skull in

which was fun

literal deus ex machina

[crisp heath]

Belakor is a vast, cosmic inconvenience

[storm jungle]

I love how

the entire reason for that was

[arctic talon]

he's jelous

*jealoous

Fuck

I give up

[storm jungle]

"Im here to screw your mission up lmao"

wait what

what kind of bullshit bot thing is that

[arctic talon]

It hates me typing like this

[plush mason]

LOL

[arctic talon]

and I've been muted by that like

10 times in the past

lmao

[storm jungle]

Bruh moment

[queen laurel]

I swear if i can warp directly into the warhammer 40k universe i will give him the power of the chaos gods and then just sit there and watch the show unfold

[storm jungle]

message me if it does because thats stupid as shit

[arctic talon]

lmfao

okay

[storm jungle]

but basically yeah Vashtorr is the true husbando

im glad we all had this discussion

[crisp heath]

I want Vashtorr to pick me up like one of those arcade claw machines

[queen laurel]

I am definitely serving him because i like making technological horrors

[arctic talon]

actually wait

how the fuck would belakor even exist in fantasy/aos

[plush mason]

ngl if i was in his shoes that is exactly what i would do. literally shit all but troll everyone in the galaxy as often as i could

[arctic talon]

er

vashtor

[storm jungle]

Different origins for starters

Be'lakor's race is not given but hes a non-human first daemon prince

[arctic talon]

is he just like Dexcessa/Synessa

for Vashtor

[storm jungle]

Im actually not sure

[arctic talon]

where he's only in 1 setting bcs of the circumstances

of their creation

[storm jungle]

OH yeah

if you mean it like that yes

[arctic talon]

Because we know Vashtor got super juiced up

[storm jungle]

because for fantasy and 40k his origin is similiar but edited

[arctic talon]

by the necrons ascending

[crisp heath]

I don't think Vashtorr would fit in AoS

[storm jungle]

He would totally fit

[arctic talon]

in fantasy he's just a Norscan right

for Belakor

[storm jungle]

Uhh let me check

[arctic talon]

also Vashtorr would absolutely fit

hashut already exists

[plush mason]

i barely understand his fantasy origins lol. like he was a chieftain of what tribe/race? where humans even around when the star gates collapsed?

[storm jungle]

At the dawn of the mortal world, Be'lakor, a savage primitive from an unknown land, became the first mortal to pledge his soul to the Chaos Gods.

Oh man

hes literally

a fucking neanderthal

[plush mason]

LOL

[crisp heath]

Belakor is probably illiterate

[arctic talon]

LMFAO

[queen laurel]

So norscan then

[arctic talon]

he frew up

[storm jungle]

Basically yes, humans have been around for awhile in WHF

but he was around before even civilizations rose up

[arctic talon]

also ngl this art goes hard

[crisp heath]

Anyway the only real god is Nuffle

[plush mason]

ah you must watch tariff's videos

[arctic talon]

TRUE

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah definitely

[summer rover]

bel'akor might be from whatever prehumans drachenfels comes from, but i think he's a bit later than that.

[crisp heath]

About to pick up that marine like an arcade claw machine, lucky guy

[storm jungle]

Way older.

[arctic talon]

Tbh the only thing about Vashtor that wouldn't fit in AOS

is prolly his back tubes

visually speaking

because this shit is in AOS and fantasy

[queen laurel]

Man i miss my blood bowl 2 Ork team, i didn't really play any online button custom matches they would just grab any poor guy they can put their hands on and absolutely break their bones

[storm jungle]

Also I urge everyone here to watch Be'lakor's total warhammer cutscene.

Where he asks for more shit from the chaos gods after he has won every battle and killed every thing.

||And they orbital bombard his ass||

[summer rover]

drachenfels potentially predates the chaos gods existing, so i don't think bel'akor is older than that.

[storm jungle]

Hes basically described as a "primitive"

also not from Norsca

since he has to travel to the Wastes

thats all we got and im fine with that

[storm jungle]

AAA

[summer rover]

"pirmative"? so he's an estalian from last week that the chaos gods time traveled

[storm jungle]

wooooow

racist against italians now?

[crisp heath]

Also those daemonic servoskulls would be awesome as spammable minis

[storm jungle]

I love how anything "chaos tech" is just

add more spikes

[crisp heath]

I want more machine daemons!

[storm jungle]

red light

also pointier metal tentacles

[queen laurel]

If ain't much but it's honest work

[arctic talon]

the fact we didn't get his horde of daemon skulls

is sad

but GW hates servo skulls on the tabletop

[storm jungle]

His mini deffo could use em

[arctic talon]

so we'll never see them

[summer rover]

the chaos toilet is bad for recruitment, but the slaaneshi like 'em

[arctic talon]

the only servo skull we got was in the breacher team

Which is just a servoskull that carries a bomb

[queen laurel]

Yeah models that add other entities are amazing

[storm jungle]

🙏

bless

[arctic talon]

Did you hear his voice during the teaser for him

[crisp heath]

Yes, it's very cool

[arctic talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUdYtU20uPw

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/v7g300Jwrm0?t=12

its fucking creepy as shit

[arctic talon]

that is the one with a british guy talking

even creepier

/s

I think its neat that all the legionaries are pointing their guns at vashtorr mostly since lore wise he's literally never been seen outside the forge of souls up until that point

[storm jungle]

Oh god

im getting uh

Dead Space 2 flashbacks

https://youtu.be/UOEP0_MyFJQ?t=21

fucking piece of shit Nicole

[crisp heath]

Also just want to point out that given how Vashtorr operates, making straightforward contracts in which a certain amount of labor is rewarded with certain advantages and the fact that he doesn't seem to personally oversee the soul forge and just rules it, it's entirely possible the daemons are unionized there to bargain for better deals

[arctic talon]

He doesn't unionize shit lol

soulgrinders are in eternal debt slavery to him

if its anything like Fantasy

[crisp heath]

Of course he doesn't unionize anything, he's the boss

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

Who are the pinkertons in this case

[crisp heath]

Iron Warriors are the Pinkertons of the warp

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[storm jungle]

damn

lmao

[crisp heath]

Honestly I could see Perty unionbusting

[storm jungle]

He'd totally bust em

but for like

"They are stopping us from getting more weapons and equipment"

https://tenor.com/view/this-cannot-continue-stinkbugs11number1smeck-fan-cat-cat-in-water-water-cat-gif-25921319

[arctic talon]

oh my fucking god that means vashtor designed this shit

[storm jungle]

Honestly

[arctic talon]

or one of his slaves employees

there are worse designs

[storm jungle]

that one isnt THAT bad

[arctic talon]

its a daemon shoved inside a machine

[storm jungle]

the goofy ass helmet is cute

[arctic talon]

yeah

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/defiler-dawn-of-war-warhammer40k-chaos-space-marines-execute-gif-23589832

Look at em go!

[arctic talon]

I like to imagine he has daemons of a specific god make the daemon engines for that god

also who can forget this guy

[crisp heath]

He probably just has a big warehouse of junk for each God he deals out as he's paid, he's basically the Switzerland of the Warp

I wonder how he and Bile get along

They're both very "disregard gods, acquire technology"

[queen laurel]

The other one favors mechanical technology while other one favors biology

I think pretty well actually

Bile would definitely see use to the entity that makes all the machines of the chaos god's

He would probably ask him to make him a very good bio chamber or something

[crisp heath]

Bile: "I need implants made of metal"
Vashtorr: "I need tools made of meat"
And so a pact was formed

[winter vessel]

when one of the two customers says" I want to speak to your manager".

[queen laurel]

This guy is pretty much the malum caedo of orks, Gargaz of shootas blood and teef

[south meteor]

would frank castle be a good member of the empire?

[arctic talon]

No

[celest dome]

Would most likely end up a renegade

[arctic talon]

he's too anti authority

yeah he'd be labled a heretic/traitor

The Imperium hates anyone it can't control

[south meteor]

well

what if its pre his family dying

he was a soilider boy

solider

[celest dome]

soldier

[arctic talon]

if he's a soldier then sure

[south meteor]

ye sorry typo

[arctic talon]

more meat for the grinder

[astral whale]

I like to think that Vashtorr isn’t the forgemaster in the sense of him being the sole architect. Rather he is more like the proprietor, renting/lending out the space to various entities.

They all have to pay him worship to use the forge, including the chaos gods.

[arctic talon]

That wold make sense

[south meteor]

any new updates on robo guiltyman

[arctic talon]

But if Frank Castle were to end up in the imperium and willingly associate with literal facists then he'd prolly end up in spec-ops or as an arbite

[arctic talon]

ultra depression

[astral whale]

What comes out of the forge isn’t his responsibility. He could design stuff if he wanted to, but like the other chaos gods why do that yourself when you gain more power from worshippers doing it.

[south meteor]

ah I see

still ultra depressed

[arctic talon]

tbf the imperium sucks

and he can see it

[astral whale]

Frank would make one hell of an Inquisitor.

[arctic talon]

yeah

[astral whale]

Imagine just sending him into an underhive and telling him it needs to be crime free in the next 20 years. He’d fucking go full Konrad Kurze on that shit.

[vale shuttle]

vashtorr is a steel Baron and his soul forge is his steel mill

i like this interpretation

[rose thorn]

After literal months of me trying to read stats and understand what’s good and what bad. now I must start over

And try to figure out what the fuck any of the shit on the cards MENA

[vale shuttle]

do you want me to give you a tutorial?

[celest cedar]

Middle East North Africa?

[green loom]

The Great Ottoman empire?

[rose thorn]

oh yeah sure, sorry i was asleep

i woke up because i had a dream about the new cards, it revealed that some guard troop with like 6 wounds and then went texted taht adn went back to sleep

[green loom]

Apparently this might be the Norn Emissary

[storm jungle]

fucking Destiny 2 looking ass

[green loom]

Also I am drawing some lamenters

[crimson kayak]

So it's a giant swarm lord?

Also love how the bolter is shooting but he's not using the trigger

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah his hand isnt even on it

lmao

[rose thorn]

Wow it never clicks how much custodies look like storm casts lmao

Sigmarines hold nothing to custormcasts

It custodies had more then 3 options then using your extra custodies bits on stormcasts could look cool for a special unit

[plush mason]

trigger is under the guard i think

[crimson kayak]

That's the trigger

[plush mason]

looks like a solid hand guard to me

but idk nothing about those weapons lol

[crimson kayak]

Shield captain have ones with "normal" triggers and handles but no lever

[gloomy citrus]

It's basically a simplified Custodes spear.

[crimson kayak]

Normal ones use the lever

[plush mason]

its not a spear tho

its a guardian axe

[gloomy citrus]

It doesn't really resemble an axe.

[plush mason]

look at the blade head

[crimson kayak]

Uses the same handle, Atleast in the models

[gloomy citrus]

I'm having a hard time comprehending the weapons of the Custodians.

[plush mason]

same

[rose thorn]

I hate how thin that is lmao

[gloomy citrus]

Now, that's an axe.

[plush mason]

here is other art of the guy

wonder why he didnt have the watcher's axe in the new art

but yeah

idk how he was firing the bolter in the new art lol

[crimson kayak]

Particularly furious machine spirit

[storm jungle]

its a halberd with a gun at the tip

[green loom]

Or glaives with guns at the tip

[storm jungle]

basically a long stick

[plush mason]

or just a big dane axe with a gun at the tip lol

castellan axes

frankly

im more confused by the bloody toilet seat behind his head lol

[storm jungle]

hes a psyker main

[plush mason]

is this the captian-general?

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats him

[crimson kayak]

Seems like an older Valoris

[storm jungle]

Just another artist fuckup i think

in another artwork by Lewis Jones he looks like Ron Pearlman

[crimson kayak]

Now that I look at him it does look kinda like the lion in this one

[storm jungle]

Not every man with a beard and hair is the Lion

[crimson kayak]

True, but the small size helps blending the rest of the facial features

[plush mason]

so that means these emissaries are near terra

or is segmentum solar huge?

[green loom]

Both

The 4th Tyrranic war is happening very close to Terra

If Leontus and co didn't organize the Solblades, it'd be in even more danger

[storm jungle]

Arbitrator Ian has a very good video on it

https://youtu.be/bc4_UraU4NI

[green loom]

I need lamenters inspiration

[plush mason]

they finally did it. the nids finally came in from the top

[crimson kayak]

Tbf That confirms that the edge of our galaxy is literally just nids farming orks as an appetizer and vice versa

[earnest snow]

Finally. The giant insects gotta win?

[gloomy citrus]

I hope not.

[earnest snow]

I hope so. They gotta munch

Just like me fr

[gloomy citrus]

I hope that they'll end up on Catachan, even by chance.

I'd love to see how they munch that.

[earnest snow]

They'd munch pretty good. I mean its not gonna be a flat out one way battle because anywhere the tyranids go, the imperium answers. At least if you're lucky enough to be the 15th planet in line

[gloomy citrus]

It's Catachan, not Baal.

[plush mason]

imagine the nids end up making a new titan out of the devils' dna

so much of Catachan's flora and fauna could make the nids so much deadlier

[gloomy citrus]

Imagine if a nid came against a barking toad.

Those things can kill a Primarch.

[plush mason]

yeah

they would end up weaponizing them

[sweet saffron]

I would assume Death Guard pre HH would be great fans of the Catachan Barking Toad, they probably keep them around as pets and emergency ammo

[gloomy citrus]

They kamikaze when they feel threatened.

So, they don't.

[earnest snow]

Tyranids gonna learn the way of the kamikaze

...

Well shit

idk what we'd do now

[gloomy citrus]

They don't know it already?

From fighting orks?

Including stormboyz?

[earnest snow]

Well I mean

They probably do just probably not the almighty toad

That variant will be volatile

[earnest snow]

yes I am still a bit bitter about the ending to devastation of baal Man. I hope the imperium doesn't instantly recover from this one guys

ha

ha

[gloomy citrus]

I've never seen a tyranid fan before.

Huh.

[green loom]

Wait when have they ever recovered?

[earnest snow]

Basically the primaris marines were given to the chapters in the conflict and essentially recovered within months. 90% of the book is great, but bruh

[green loom]

Yeah a bunch of greyshields got dumped in but all the ones that died are still dead lol

[earnest snow]

I'm a fan of a lot of things in 40k, but that was just...okay xD yes negate the entire consequences of the conflict

[storm jungle]

Theres fans of many other factions

a strange phenomena indeed

[green loom]

When the reinforcements reinforce

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-guy-shocked-gif-27437284

[earnest snow]

Not really what I'm saying, but alright.

[green loom]

Idk all the veterans dropping dead was probably felt

GW just sucks at you know

World building for 40k

[gloomy citrus]

The only fanbase I don't look forward to meeting is the Slaanesh cult.

[earnest snow]

I guess to clarify: The ending was definitely rushed. It sorta broke that sense of horror and destruction for me. The Imperium coming in and reinforcing is fine. I don't really care about primaris marines, but it felt almost instant that the chapters affected by the war on Baal got replenished and moved on. I get it that war and loss is an everyday thing, but this is Baal the homeworld of those chapters.

[green loom]

Of one of those chapters

[earnest snow]

This would have been perfect for building up the character of the chapters further. Not to the level of the black rage, but its nice.

[green loom]

Hard to build character when they all dead

[earnest snow]

They're sons of sanguinius is the point.

[green loom]

Yeah and Baal was always a shitty wasteland

[earnest snow]

And?

People hold death worlds in high regard all the time

I don't see your point

[green loom]

If anything the tyranids tearing it apart improved it

[gloomy citrus]

Death Worlds are terrible to live in, but they produce great soldiers.

Vlka Fenryka, CJF, DKoK...

And before things went to shit, DG.

[green loom]

The only thing Fenris produces is assholes

[gloomy citrus]

Drunkards.

[earnest snow]

Side note: My brain imagining the scenes in devastation of baal

[near wasp]

pretty close honestly

[gloomy citrus]

The Blood Angels needed a single word to tear these fuckers apart.

[earnest snow]

Fenris produces assholes and wolves

But Ig they do a good job at killing stuff so eh?

[green loom]

There are no wolves on Fenris

[earnest snow]

Only furries

[gloomy citrus]

Except for Leman, who did a shitty job as an executioner.

[green loom]

They have a pretty bad track record if I'm being honest

[earnest snow]

They do

[green loom]

Leman failed to kill 2 primarchs, Ragnar failed to kill Ghaz, Fenris got decimated

[gloomy citrus]

Bjorn is a decent wolf, I guess.

[earnest snow]

They're apparently one of the most loyal chapters therefore they're the emps executioners

Which is fine ig

but

damn dude they can't get past plot armor

I feel bad for Leman. how do you even penetrate that shit

[green loom]

Yeah oh so loyal when they teamkill randomly lmao

[earnest snow]

Hey

Those were traitors ofc

We just don't know how bad of one

[green loom]

At least the Dark Angels take the precaution of covering up their shady bullshit

[gloomy citrus]

Blood Angels do that.

[green loom]

Wolves are blatant about it

[near wasp]

[earnest snow]

The Dark Angels are professionals whereas the wolves aren't

[green loom]

at least they suffer consequences sometimes

[earnest snow]

I respect both

but damn

[green loom]

Wolves just

Don't

[earnest snow]

Months of Shame got people actin' up sometimes

Granted

Thats just a regular day in the imperium imo but you know cold wars are cold wars

[green loom]

Cold Wars/

It was open warfare

[earnest snow]

Everyone hates each other in the imperium its amazing they even like each other

[green loom]

The leader of the SW ran up to and killed a Lord Inquisitor after directly going against them and harbouring civilians tainted by chaos

[gloomy citrus]

Only the believe in the Emperor, and now Girlyman keep it from tearing itself apart.

[earnest snow]

based but this is coming from a guy who likes seeing chaotic shit happen in 40k

so im biased

[near wasp]

didnt the wolves also kill a grandmaster?

[earnest snow]

also don't mind my shit memory of the months of shame

[green loom]

I remember that being the case but not sure

[earnest snow]

The lion is doing something.

I hope

[green loom]

They literally committed high treason multiple times

But they're just allowed to get away with it

[earnest snow]

mfer been sleeping for 10k years he must be having that "Not a morning person" phase for 24 months

[green loom]

Oh they also have the largest fleet among the adeptus astartes

[earnest snow]

Fuck the space book

yuh

[green loom]

Beating out fleet based chapters in general as well as the Black Templars

[near wasp]

even g man dislikes his own books, likely after catching on of his son copulating with it

[earnest snow]

SW do get away with a lot of shit for unknown reasons. I mean in lore, but out of it we all know its that good ol' author armor.

[gloomy citrus]

[earnest snow]

Authors givin' them that good ol' protection

[green loom]

Mfw the space book is literally just common sense and some limitations you can mostly ignore so long as you're not obviously a traitor

[gloomy citrus]

Yet many chapters treat it like a bible.

[earnest snow]

"Yes. I will go against the Inquisition and Grey Knights." At least that one had the dignity of having a boat load of the inquisition actively denouncing the guy and the grey knights somewhat dragging their feet to get to the conflict.

But some of the others are eh?

[gloomy citrus]

And there are many like Leandros. Especially among Gorrilaman's sons.

[earnest snow]

We sure the SW aren't the Thousand Sons but in disguise cus Alpharius

[green loom]

Leandros did nothing

He literally complained about his commanding officer doing a reckless jump into an active fleet battle

[earnest snow]

Leandros is a blessing. Man made the space book meme into reality. I love him

[green loom]

I hate everyone that hates him for the space book

[earnest snow]

He is the space book

I don't hate him. I understand the guy and I get why he is that way

I just find it really funny and endearing

oddly enough for the endearing part

[gloomy citrus]

He got the job done, didn't he?

[earnest snow]

I hope Leandros makes a comeback in the 2nd space marine game dude

[green loom]

And nearly died and also got separated from his company and command team

[earnest snow]

I need to see him ripping tyranids

I need Leandros killing Tyranids in accordance to the codex astartes

[green loom]

The only thing Leandros did wrong was reporting Titus to the Inquisition insteadof the Reclusiam

[earnest snow]

Yerp

[gloomy citrus]

The Chaplain would just smack him.

[earnest snow]

As they fuckin' should

Titus is great but man getting separated from your company is

really bad

especially if it was by consequence of your decision

[green loom]

Yeah the horrifically dogmatic ritual master would totally ignore one of his brothers being inexplicably immune to the effects of chaos

[earnest snow]

You are an astartes think damn it

[gloomy citrus]

You're talking as if his company couldn't handle themselves.

[earnest snow]

I'm talking as if he wasn't a protagonist in a video game but he was so he gotta pass

Orks, chaos, etc etc

Space marines are great at what they do, but even they don't want to separate unless necessary during a war against these things

[green loom]

No they would still separate

but losing a captain is a needless hassle

And a stupid risk

[earnest snow]

If necessary they would. I get that they can still have personalities that lean towards separating, but again. They're warriors trained in military doctrines from childhood. Incredibly needless risks is ridiculous.

Although a lot goes against the military training considering what is done in the novels but can't really blame the authors for wanting the rule of cool ig

[green loom]

No I mean

Marines in general

Go around in squads

[earnest snow]

Oh then yeah that make sense

[green loom]

If a company deploys someplace they won't all drop on the same field

[earnest snow]

I'm talking about being a lone wolf and shit. Which can work.

Albiet not everywhere

[green loom]

Their specialty is surgical strikes

[celest dome]

That's more appropriate for #darktide-memes

[green loom]

Woah pink Cacti

[storm jungle]

Off to memes with ye

[celest dome]

I was blessed/cursed by Hel

[green loom]

What is the acolyte role even

[crisp heath]

Been chosen by me

[storm jungle]

Boosters

[green loom]

oooh

[rose thorn]

My favorite space marines characters who are the polar opposite of their chapter

There only a few of them

[green loom]

Lukas?

[rose thorn]

But the every once in a while fuckinh mentally insane ultra marines makes me smile

[rose thorn]

googles him I- can’t look at him

Holy shit

WHAT IS THISSS

he looks like he eats orphans

[green loom]

The Jackalwolf!

He makes orphans

And babies

[rose thorn]

Why does he have a terminator power fist with wolverine claws

[green loom]

Because he tricked you into thinking it was real so you stay far away from it

[rose thorn]

[green loom]

He is the Space Wolf red pill

[rose thorn]

What

[green loom]

Do you want to be impaled on claws? I assume not

But seriously read up on him

He annoys all the other wolves

[rose thorn]

That is a pro

[green loom]

And I think he has a bomb strapped into his chest as a last prank should he die

[storm jungle]

Every Company captain fights a 1v1 battle with each other to see who will bear having Lukas in their company for a whole year

Also Lukas' book is genuinely excellent, highly recommend it

[rose thorn]

labduahehah

tahstaheh

That’s great

[green loom]

It gives a new dimension to the space wolves that wolves fans don't like

In other words

It calls their bluff

[rose thorn]

Is there a reason they won’t just fucking kill him

[green loom]

He's still their brother

And I assume kinslaying isn't exactly a nice thought

A fact Lukas probably takes advantage of

[rose thorn]

Okay this kit bags is really good

Bash*

[green loom]

He fathered hundreds of kids before ascending apparently

And regularly asks new marines if they're "one of his"

[rose thorn]

KABDHAHhajshHahah

[storm jungle]

Because hes their brother

he also does FRAT BODY PRANKS

one prank he does in the book is putting killer alien lice on one of the company captain's beard

[rose thorn]

eventually im gonan have to force my self to make a proxy army of the space wolves because my perfectionism will hurt my soul forever

but he seems great

[rose thorn]

PFHuahgwhg

[green loom]

Are you one of those password generator types

[rose thorn]

yes

i always thought every space wolf was trash

but im glad this isnt a thor

or waht ever his name is

[green loom]

Aeonid Thiel might be a good example

He's the reason red helmets are common in the UM

[storm jungle]

Yeah Lukas is one of the few actually interesting SW characters

[green loom]

Pretty much all the Traitor Legion Loyalists in the heresy

[storm jungle]

because as Ederius said he actually goes AGAINST the space wolf cliches

he literally flat out in his book says the Chapter is really cringe

[green loom]

He's like... A loki equivalent

[storm jungle]

he is the Trickster so thats fitting

[rose thorn]

was he the EC who stayed loyal

or was that someone else

[green loom]

Thiel was the UM sergeant that got punished for running simulations against marines

[rose thorn]

ah

[green loom]

The red helmet at the time was a sign of censure

He got punished at Calth

About 5 minutes before the Word Bearer fleet opened fire

[rose thorn]

oh yeah that imperial fist who is just obsessed wtih violence

witht he two chain axes

knai

[green loom]

Fafnir Rann?

[rose thorn]

lmao*

yea i think

[green loom]

I think he has double power axes but yeah, founder of the Executioners

All around madman

[rose thorn]

wait the HH guy?

made the exectuioners?

exectuioners

[green loom]

Yes

He survived and made the chapter

[rose thorn]

huh neat

[green loom]

Also Nassir Amit, very killy Blood Angel
Founder of a little known chapter called the Flesh Tearers

[rose thorn]

anwyay im gonna make my leviathen lieutenant, for my mentors, a deathwatch vet who is so fucking scarredfrom eating shit by nids

[green loom]

Chadrak Meduson

[rose thorn]

and after he left he is just a silent brooding asshole

[green loom]

Impromptu leader of the shattered legions guerilla campaign

[rose thorn]

shatteref legion?

[green loom]

The shattered legions are the united remnants of the Iron Hands, Salamanders and Raven Guard who escaped from Istvaan

[rose thorn]

ohh

OHHH THEY ARE IN THE HH CARD GAME

[green loom]

They waged a mass guerilla campaign with what little gear and numbers they had left against advancing traitors

At one point, Meduson almost managed to massacre the entire traitor high command, but iirc some mournival members got them out of the bombing run at the last second

It was mostly Iron Hands and Raven Guard since the salamanders were effectively totally destroyed

Oh and the IH kept doing this funky thing where they'd reanimate the corpses of dead IH and use them to decimate traitors

[plush mason]

i wonder how much cursing that event involves lol

he is literally just space wolf loki lol

[obsidian pollen]

On a lot of armors there’s strips of paper with writing stamped with red wax to keep it on

what are those and what’s written on there?

[vale shuttle]

those are purity seals and religious texts are what's written on them

[summer rover]

sometimes there's also little pictures of the deeds in those religious texts in there too, but those are harder to draw so most people stick with text.

[coarse tree]

Would the Sororitas ever go beat a traitor world into compliance or is that mostly a space marine thing?

[green loom]

It's not a space marine thing

Sororitas are crusade and kill happy though, so they probably would

[summer rover]

they are more likely to do it, if anything. the space marines need to be told the world has turned traitor, it's totally possible the sisters of battle have a ship just checking all the worlds that haven't annonced their loyalty recently. y'know, just in case they need an ass-whoopin'

[uneven temple]

given their zeal, they probably focus extra on traitor worlds in general. minor heresy? that's a burning

[vale shuttle]

SoB also have a significantly larger force size

so they're more able to do sustained ground invasions

[uneven temple]

they got them orbital drop keeps too, straight droppin castles from space

[coarse tree]

Yeah that's one of the things that made me love 40k lol. It was just so over the top

[uneven temple]

imperator on wheels, and slap thomas the tank engines face on the gatehouse

[green loom]

Drop keeps are used by knights go deploy also I think

[arctic talon]

yeah their size is pretty variable as well

[heavy bison]

Question for the brains trust. I've heard lines from like... the Adepta Sororitas sister that Trazyn patched up with her fellow sister about perverting the human form or whatever.

Is there any specific prohibition against genetic engineering/creating gene enhanced soldiers as part of a PDF/Imperial Tithe?

Like, Catachans and other Death World human cultures are clearly superhuman in some ways, but what about enhancing normal people to the same level?

[celest dome]

No, they exist, but are rare and often recognized as Abhuman or mutant

Like the Necromundan Goliath or the Something strain soldier

[green loom]

It's probably that Trazyn was doing it

[heavy bison]

Fair

[green loom]

A filthy Xenos defiling the holy human form with it's imperfect, blasphemous hands

And they also might view gene enhancement as different to

You know

Scavenging your sister for parts to stitch you back together

[heavy bison]

I'm thinking about a G I/Rogue Trooper inspired Catachan force as a side project. Just occured to me that the Nu Earth conflict isn't that far off Kreig's backstory.

But like, instead of producing regular soldiers and training them in chem warfare, just make soldiers that can literally survive the surface.

[celest dome]

Can be very expensive research, and could be considered heretical

[green loom]

And not as cheap

And not as numerous

[vale shuttle]

it's more like because it's a xenos doing it

i'm 100% sure that kind of stuff happens to humans in the imperium, it's just that aliens = evil and therefore anything an alien does = evil'

[minor ingot]

correct take, if I had the choice of a malevolent alien overlord like Trazyn modifying me, or a malevolent mommy Hadron telling me what to do AND modifying me, I know which one I'm picking

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFT53a-ke2M a slann with a bear helmet

[near wasp]

Honestly trayzen would be better at putting you back together

[green loom]

How does "Angelis Adiuvat!" Sound for a battlecry?

[echo vault]

Any battle cry except take the knot is ok

[green loom]

[echo vault]

If you know you know

[green loom]

[earnest snow]

At this point, whatever sounds cool is good enough.

I say this because I'm still trying to process Lastandoris in the arbiter ian video on the 4th tyrannic war. I know naming conventions are not great at GW but God damn I swear

[green loom]

Wait what

Lastandoris is an actual name?

That's a new one

I wonder if it beats out Goedendag Morningstar

[earnest snow]

Yeah that name.

Literally the last place the tyranids attacked recently that is of note

[green loom]

What the fuck

[earnest snow]

Also angelis adiuvat sounds like something an angels chapter would say depending in their temperment.

Dark angels or blood angels.

Also yes that is defenceotron to the left.

I think it's a defense world idk

[green loom]

Bingo

[earnest snow]

Did you draw this or commission it? Either way it looks rad

[green loom]

My own wurk, commissions are expensive

[earnest snow]

They do get expensive. Still it looks good

[green loom]

2 day hassle give or take

Worth every minute though

[celest cedar]

I dont get it. How does the nids "flank" the galaxy by attacking from under the milky way

[green loom]

They bypass defensive lines more or less completely

[storm jungle]

Its Arbitrator Ian making a meme saying how Imperial world naming convention is fucking stupid

I CANT BELIEVE you fell for that

[green loom]

I was skeptical and looked at his twitter

[storm jungle]

ITS NOT HIS TWITTER

ITS IN HIS VIDEO

AA-

[green loom]

In my defence, Lastandoris sounds like something GW would use

[storm jungle]

Thats the joke so i agree

[green loom]

I had 2 hours of sleep, have travelled for 4 hours, and wrote an exam today, I'm allowed to make mistakes

[storm jungle]

Okay so see, Space is kind of 3D

This might shock you because you can go to the Left, Right and Up or Down

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Goedendag means morningstar btw

I know doubling is a thing but it's generally associated with toddlers

[celest dome]

Doesn't it also mean hello in Flemish/Dutch ?

[earnest snow]

me using this as background noise wait. It was a joke? Rip me then.

Oh well it's good enough for gw

[storm jungle]

I thougth you were just being sarcastic

[earnest snow]

I would have been if I knew it were a joke.

I had it on the background and was like "damn dude that's actually God awful."

[green loom]

Hey, look, it's the Lamenters!

[earnest snow]

In the mist of like beating up heretics

[gloomy citrus]

Right before something bad happens to them.

As it always does.

[earnest snow]

Yes

My hammer did many bad things to them. I like listening to videos in the background of my video games

But apparently darktide got me misunderstanding things

[storm jungle]

Rat got lost in the Darktide Juice

[green loom]

The juicetide

[celest cedar]

yeah but "flanking" the galaxy. By attacking from under.

that sounds like youre attacking the galaxy from the other direction but with extra steps

[storm jungle]

To be fair

i dont think theres a term for attacking from under

[earnest snow]

Yeah there is

[storm jungle]

"Taking the lowroad"?

[earnest snow]

Its called the butt tuck under fuck

[storm jungle]

AAA

[celest cedar]

underhanded attack

[shadow plover]

it's called power bottoming

[earnest snow]

It is as it sounds.

You attack from the bottom. Which is where the butt is tucked at..idk about the under fuck part tho

[celest cedar]

did Hive fleet Leviathan suceed though in its "flanking" maneuver?

[green loom]

As far as we know currently they popped a few dozen planets and are being held in place by Quick Response Forces on designated Anchor worlds

Until the muster at Terra finishes

[earnest snow]

Well it apparently got thwarted temporarily. We got left off on another cliff hanger as some weird ass "moon-shaped thing" is podracing towards the area.

Basically: Laststandior is fucked

[green loom]

We have the global narrative event also

[earnest snow]

The tyranids aren't messing about no more. The Hive mind is tired of the imperium's goofy antics

[celest cedar]

so did the "underground" flank. so to speak. did it worked?

it seems that it didnt gain as much "ground"

not yet anyways

[storm jungle]

Okay so it MOSTLY did

they killed a ton of planets with it

but of course as ever

this is passed off in like 2 sentences

so people like us forget it even happened

But it is still "underway" so to speak, the tendrils are still coming

[green loom]

Yeah they're being held, not stopped

[storm jungle]

^

[earnest snow]

The butt tuck under fuck absolutely did its job.

[green loom]

Don't forget they're coming from like

[storm jungle]

the problem with destroying tendrils is you just shatter them and they spread out into even MORE hive fleets

[green loom]

3 directions rn

[storm jungle]

also from above

as per new lore

[green loom]

Say it with me

P-p-p-p-power creeeep!

[earnest snow]

I can't wait until the catachan toad nids start popping up because the Hive mind really is getting a bit angy

[green loom]

I hope this is leading to some sort of AoSification or something

[green loom]

Well they pretty much have a hyper intelligent super catachan devil running around killing things rn

[earnest snow]

They need the toad to succeed.

[celest cedar]

Okay how does that suppose to "work"

[earnest snow]

Cute. Adorable. Explosive

[storm jungle]

They just come from above

[green loom]

The galactic plain is 3d, they're bypassing everything and popping up everywhere

[storm jungle]

its not that complex

[storm jungle]

YEAH THANK YOU

Space is literally space

[celest cedar]

huh?

[storm jungle]

you can go in any direction

[green loom]

Usually defense lines in 40k work along warp routes

Or they don't

And are focused around some key strategic planets

Usually rich or fortified ones

The nids can jhust

Ignore that

[celest cedar]

so what. the above and under talk is for simplication?

[green loom]

No they're literally coming from above the galaxy

From deep space

[storm jungle]

Okay

im gonna use pictures

[celest cedar]

from way above

[storm jungle]

1 sec

[green loom]

Imagine a pool

Someone is diving in

Another person is already underwater diving up

And another person is swimming on the surface

That's what the nids are doing

[storm jungle]

this is the galactic plane

[celest cedar]

ok im starting to see something here

[earnest snow]

Well you see. Up, down, left, right is just relative to planets. In actual space you might as well not know those directions.

Now when you come from above a planet, that is called the top flop where you do an attack from above. The left and right the sniffer maneuvers as you imitate the nostrils of a creature. And of course the bottom is the butt tuck under fuck.

I hope this clears things up

[storm jungle]

Also yeah that

and most nid fleets we know

come from the directions i posted

since we got no idea what the outside of the Milky Way is like

or the path they take

[earnest snow]

I just assume they're eating other galaxies

So that's why they aren't here 100% or it's just a vanguard force

C:

[storm jungle]

As for "coming from above" you can literally do any sort of maneveur to approach from that angle

so its up in the air

[earnest snow]

Yeah see how they flopping from the top?

[shadow plover]

better pic

[green loom]

Most races are limited by how their FTL works

Nids are not

[storm jungle]

as Arbitrator Ian said in his video the rulebook unfortunately doesnt have a updated fucking map to showcase this

[earnest snow]

The rule book doesn't also have updated terminology for these space maneuvers

[celest cedar]

thats....terrifiying

Ok I thing Im starting to understand the "flank" here

[earnest snow]

I personally think the butt tuck under fuck maneuver is very fitting name for what the nids did

[storm jungle]

Yeah we literally got no idea where the "origin" point of the tendrils are

they can come from any direction

[green loom]

P-p-p-p-p-plot!

[earnest snow]

They originate from Klendathu clearly.

[celest cedar]

so the "flanking" hive fleets is just another part of the universal tendrils of the nids. the ones who attack from the "right" is just another part of it

and theres also another one from "above"

[green loom]

All the hive fleets are technically one giant shitshow

But we just don't know since nids aren't a POV faction

[storm jungle]

yeah we got no idea where they are coming from

the new tendrils of Leviathan atm are approaching from the galactic West of Segmentum Pacificus

aka the "smallest" segmentum for a pathway to terra

[shadow plover]

we just know that space marines pretty much invited them to our galaxy during the heresy

[earnest snow]

They want them emp bones

[storm jungle]

Pharos Moment

[earnest snow]

The pharos beacon legit became the lamp to them tyramoths

[celest cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-omg-danny-devito-oh-my-god-gif-15873107

[storm jungle]

The Pharos basically made them notice the Milky Way, once they arrived its the Astronomican that is being the lightbulb which is

[celest cedar]

How Im feeling right now

[earnest snow]

Just unplug the astronomicon.

Nothing bad will happen

[storm jungle]

to be fair the hardest part of this convo was explaining how 3D Space works

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-jack-black-dewey-finn-school-of-rock-explain-gif-24700075

AGREED

I dont care much about AOS but goddamn it slaps

[earnest snow]

So question. Has uhhh...guilliman realized that the Pharos beacon attracted the tyranids in the first place? I wouldn't think so but it would be a possibly cool moment of realization ig

[storm jungle]

Nope

nobody has no idea

theres no way they could know

[green loom]

Play homeworld

[earnest snow]

Alright so

I gotta plan

[green loom]

Also the Pharos beacon uh

Blew up

[earnest snow]

Launch Lucius the eternal out a ship via the trash launch bay.

[green loom]

Thanks Cawl!

[earnest snow]

Into a hive fleet and let him get eaten until he eventually reaches the Hive mind

Let him question the Hive mind

And bam

[storm jungle]

That wouldnt work, Slaanesh can just spawn him back

[earnest snow]

Plan success

[green loom]

Also the Hivemind isn't "A guy"

[earnest snow]

I know it wouldn't work but it's my plan and i am doing it

[storm jungle]

Yeah its a bullshit loophole when the thing that kills him feels no satisfaction kek

[green loom]

It's basically the Tyranid race

[earnest snow]

I also really just want lucius to die and stay dead but that's another thing

[green loom]

He's irrelevant in lore

[earnest snow]

just send him as an emissary i promise it won't be bad

[green loom]

Same as Eidolon and almost everyone save Bile

[earnest snow]

He is but i still want him to be launched out via a trash schute

[green loom]

Sleepless mind mixing up names

[gloomy citrus]

Slaanesh would revive him anyway.

She doesn't want to lose her plaything.

[storm jungle]

I just said that

[earnest snow]

At least we will get an emissary to the Hive mind. Slaanesh keeps reviving him and he keeps moving from tyranid stomach to tyranid stomach

[green loom]

Are the Cadian Shock Troopers

Based on the Canadian Shock Troopers

[earnest snow]

Yes

[storm jungle]

[earnest snow]

Idk if that's true

[gloomy citrus]

I hope that Slaanesh will finnaly get bored of Lucius.

[earnest snow]

But yes

[storm jungle]

its not lmao

but its close enough

so fuck it

[earnest snow]

You don't know this dilara

Do you work for gw

[storm jungle]

My uncle's son's friend works for GW

trust me guys

[earnest snow]

Oki good enough

[green loom]

Well, you are Turkish

[storm jungle]

AAA-

tho jokes aside its more that like

[gloomy citrus]

[storm jungle]

Cadians legit have no "aesthetic"

they are generic green army men

[green loom]

They do, it's called Starship troopers

[storm jungle]

damn it

[green loom]

I mean like

Look at the helmets lmao

Either way Cadia based

[storm jungle]

was based

now they are unbased

since their planet blew up, so they got no base

[green loom]

They have settled new worlds

[gloomy citrus]

Untill Failbaddon yeeted his ship into the planet.

[earnest snow]

Idk guys they look the exact same

[storm jungle]

BRUH MOMENT

[gloomy citrus]

Sometimes I wonder if he's a son of Horus or Perty.

[storm jungle]

Also Abaddon did the smartest thing

i legit have no idea why people meme on his decision so much

[green loom]

I will replace them with my superior Velaean Longswords

[storm jungle]

if it was an imperial doing it he'd be getting asskissed to kingdom come

[gloomy citrus]

It was a god damn ship.

[green loom]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

It was a blackstone fortress

[green loom]

Crippled by the Phalanx

[storm jungle]

and it was worthless

^

it had no use

it was literally a floating dead hulk

[green loom]

The fleet battle was turning against them after it died

Or was starting to

[storm jungle]

and even then

[green loom]

Might've been a long while

[storm jungle]

it got disabled because space wolf plot armor

[green loom]

Hey at least this time the wolves died!

[earnest snow]

I said this earlier to a group of people in vc, what abbadon did to cadia and thus the entire galaxy is worth more than that Blackstone fortress

Like it's an actual W for him

[storm jungle]

Yeah it is

people just like to meme on him

[earnest snow]

And it caused the Imperium to be where it's now

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

[celest dome]

None of the Black Crusades were a loss for Chaos afaik

[earnest snow]

The guy is memeable

[storm jungle]

None of the black crusades were losses yeah

[earnest snow]

Like just look at his palm tree for a hair cut

[green loom]

The Pylon fields are dead and the galaxy is split in two, which gives us a nice narrative battleground in Nihilus that GW refuses to exploit thus leaving us with free reign over it

[storm jungle]

they were just tiny campaigns with pre-set objectives

people just assume they were all aimed to destroy the imperium

[green loom]

It's probably how he rallied all the deranged chaos warbands to his cause

[earnest snow]

Abbadon "palm tree" the despoiler

[storm jungle]

Also we've gotten to a point where its like

[green loom]

With how chaos works as a faction, they will literally sabotage themselves before the ultimate victory

[storm jungle]

Abaddon gets a victory

Fanbase: I'll pretend i didnt see that

[green loom]

Even in Arks they were fucking eachother over

[earnest snow]

Just look. You're either bald or gotta whack ass hair style if you're chaos

[storm jungle]

and HE KNEW this

so its even funnier

[earnest snow]

Legit

Palm.

Tree.

[storm jungle]

he legit went "as long as they blow shit up i dont care, have at it"

[earnest snow]

👏

[green loom]

"They died? Oh well, less morons to wrangle"

What annoys me is that there's a seemingly endless supply of traitor marines and the only real limited peoples being eldar and some imperium factions

[earnest snow]

Either way, abbadon is successful and I'm glad. Make the plot interesting with vashtorr and hopefully not another horus heresy with all the primarch coming back for round 2 look i like the primarchs too but please we already have one horus heresy don't make it another one

[green loom]

Said imperial factions are usually outnumbered for plot, and get rescued by a larger force out of nowhere anyway

[earnest snow]

[green loom]

I guess geebledubs found the meta of heroic last stands

[earnest snow]

Dante is on a score streak atm. He has to be saved by every loyal primarch

[storm jungle]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/07/ciaphas-cain-reluctantly-returns-in-a-new-novel-and-a-collection-of-classic-tales/

[green loom]

New novel?

This is new new and not a repackage?

[storm jungle]

Yep new

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-welcome-one-sure-gif-13921142

[green loom]

Nice

I still haven't read any of his books

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Can't wait for a lore video explaining where the hell was he hiding (i don't have the attention span to read books)

[shadow plover]

cain books work a bit differently, they're mostly "written by him" in his retirement days and retold by an inquisitor so the timeline where it takes place can be pretty much whenever in the past as well

[green loom]

The summary says this is right before his retirement with him being sent to investigate a forge world near the Damocles Gulf that's gone dark

It mentions mutinous skitarii so I assume the world has gone rogue

[shadow plover]

ah, should've read the article tbh

[queen laurel]

I guess his mission is finished there

[crimson kayak]

Who's the Valhallan Steel Legion melta guy?

[storm jungle]

Jurgen

[queen laurel]

I'm pretty sure that's jurgen

[storm jungle]

literally one of the most famous characters in the books

[queen laurel]

Also a null which means that that would allow cain to get free anti psychic threats

[crimson kayak]

Uh, never saw an actual image of him till now

[queen laurel]

I'm surprised, a good portion of images of cain almost always contain jurgen

[crimson kayak]

Looking at the covers he seems to appear only on Caves of Ice and Traitor's Hand

And last stand if the guy he's holding is him

[winter vessel]

They should've titled it "Ciaphas Cain: How is he not dead yet?"

[green loom]

I has a cool new battle cry for my gamers

[summer rover]

that's a great mini, but kind of a dull paintjob

[storm jungle]

that's a great paintjob, but kind of a dull mini

[green loom]

The horse has the best colour

[remote widget]

Does the Commissariat have ranks or not? Amberley and cain are very insistent that they don't, that it's the only distinction drawn is by service time and accolades, with "Lord-Commissar" being an honorific, but 10 minutes into gaunts ghosts and there are Commissar-Generals, and then looking online there's Commissar-Colenols, and Commissar-Captains, with cadets and juniors being treated like platoon members under them

[green loom]

I think those are just

Equivalent ranks tacked on