40k-lore-chat

[green loom]

Paragon warsuits?

Yeah the

[arctic talon]

No

[green loom]

The mod creator modeled boobs for them

[arctic talon]

The woman to the right

Of who I think is vorn

But I can’t tell

[green loom]

This is vorn yeah

[storm jungle]

God

I hate these

[arctic talon]

I can’t tell shit

Lol

[storm jungle]

how to tell not a single woman was on the mod team

[green loom]

I've looked through the mod so I can tell

[arctic talon]

But yeah vorne isn’t even a SoB

She’s just a somewhat insane underhiver

Well

[green loom]

From a friend who was in the server, apparently the guy doing this would stay up for nights at a time just to implement h8rny shit

[arctic talon]

Ganger as well

[storm jungle]

Ganger?

[green loom]

2B is in one of the factions, and there's a Yor Forger as well

[arctic talon]

It’s a fucking rts mod

[storm jungle]

bruh shes dressed for WW3

[arctic talon]

She’s hive scum

Who liked watching heretics burn

[storm jungle]

Just like me

[arctic talon]

She saved taddeus’s life

He gave her a new chance at life(murdering heretics)

[storm jungle]

Ah gotcha

i cant wait for her costume to be added to the game tho ngl

its already in the files

[arctic talon]

Wait actually

Pog

[storm jungle]

just uh unfortunately gotta go bald

[arctic talon]

Her armor is sick as hell

Tbh

[storm jungle]

because they kept her head-stabbing head-dress

[arctic talon]

Also funnily enough she talks more then taddeus

In the books

Taddeus is very insane

[keen stratus]

Wait a minute, if you do your work as hating heretics a lot, woundt you be tecnically worshipping Khorne

Like if you hate them WELL i mean

[arctic talon]

Yes

[green loom]

Here's some more(ft fire emblem character for some reason)

[arctic talon]

But don’t worry about it

[green loom]

If you kill anyone you're technically feeding Khorne, since bloodshed fuels him directly

[keen stratus]

So the imperioums is fucking useless and stupid?

[storm jungle]

Yes

YOU ARE GETTING IT

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Yeah the imperium is literally a glorious last stand stretched out across a stupidly long time

[storm jungle]

what the fuck

IS THIS

[arctic talon]

Snake

[green loom]

It's fulgrim

[arctic talon]

Thing

What

[storm jungle]

the fucking

lifeless anime boy head

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

WHEEZING

[arctic talon]

They did fulgrim dirty

[storm jungle]

omg

he has

a tiny ass volkite pistol

[green loom]

Wolf you haven't seen the paragon suits

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

I'm telling you

The guy had a perfectly fine paragon model

And then he modeled saggy Booba for it

it looks awful, and it's very clear why GW didn't do it

[arctic talon]

As much as I like to make fun of GW

They know how to make things look cool

[green loom]

Well yeah that's what design teams do

[keen stratus]

I mean, where humans, what else can you expect for us if not screwing everything?

[green loom]

The 40k community can whine all it wants but the fact is most people suck ass at design

[keen stratus]

DIlara, thanks for your time, sorry if my questions are annoying, i dont know that much about warhammer lore, but i see it interesting, thanks for your time

[green loom]

The Imperium died during the Siege of Terra, every year since then has been bought with the lives of millions
Not to expand or make the empire prosper, but to lash out like a dying animal to hurt it's enemies before it inevitably runs out of juice and dies

I wish 40k would explore it's decline more but for now we're stick in an endless loop where we look at the stuff that happened during/directly before the Indomitus crusade

[terse flume]

joker can't stay in prison or you can't have any more batman comic books

tale as old as time

[plush mason]

its very true to lore then lol

[crisp heath]

are Craftworld Ulthwe basically the Eldar's own Grey Knights (if we dont count Harlequins/Black Library)

[terse flume]

should kill the emp off, legit

like they set that up in the first description of the guy ever as i understand it

that the stupid chair is failing

[arctic talon]

No

[terse flume]

been failing for 40 irl years now

[arctic talon]

bit less

40k isn't 40 years old

4 more years til lthat

[terse flume]

i thought it was hitting the 40 year anneversary?

they made stamps

oh

[arctic talon]

Thats warhammer

as a whole

[crisp heath]

latest watchers of the throne novel states the Throne is actually going to fail within ||80 years|| in universe

[terse flume]

my honest justification is the queen died irl

like to see some kinda psychic sucession crisis

[storm jungle]

Late reply sorry but its alright dude you didn't annoy me at all, don't worry about it

[celest cedar]

Are those combat stilettos?

[alpine ingot]

I thought it was a dig about the fact that Fulgrim had to save his legion from Space Marine cancer/ space black plague?

[alpine ingot]

depends

[uneven temple]

Dawn of War

[alpine ingot]

if they are a fan of a more hack and slash with side of 3rd person shooter, go with the Space Marine. If they like more old school shooters like the original doom, then go with the Boltgun.

Dawn of war is if they are more into RTS

[orchid lark]

None of the games really introduce anything

Darktide has that intro

But other than that I dont know if the other games does an intro

Space Marine and Boltgun in my opinion can make a person jump into conclusions about some stuff

But space marine might be a softer introduction

Dawn of War 2 in its entirety could introduce it

But its very self contained

Very little exposition

Like if there was a setting in darktide that has the characters interactions toggled to

“New to settingl

Where your character predominantly asks about stuff

I think itd be neato

At this point

I think the codexes are like the only true to form like

From 0 introduction

Boltgun is made for the fans primarily i feel

Its for oldheads

[crisp heath]

Boltgun is also a sequel to Space Marine story-wise so

[orchid lark]

Yeah

[orchid lark]

The best way to fall into 40k is literally doing everything in it

Read codex

Read the lexicanum

Play the games you want

Read the books

Make lists of armies

[plush mason]

^

[celest dome]

Genestealer

[plush mason]

yeah

genestealers are actually very common on hive worlds iirc

[tropic olive]

How genestealer infect human ? Virus ?

[celest dome]

Kiss, then crossbreeding

[celest dome]

Not really that common, but there are so many Hive world that a lot are also infected

[green loom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/oaonij/ciaphas_cain_for_the_emperor_about_the_guardsmen/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[plush mason]

umm. thats literally their whole point of existing lol. well that and the pure breeds being front line shock troops

[plush mason]

and then there was that one GSC on an agri-world that managed to infect some of the grain shipments with the gene parasite

oh so what happens if the ganger wars on terra get to close to the palace?

will some custodies just rush in a slaughter everyone?

[celest dome]

Custodes most likely not, they still have Enforcer and Arbites
If that's not enough, I'd say the Imperial Guard regiment on Terra would be sent first

Or maybe a mixed force, overseen with the Custodes

[green loom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/zgsjmk/excerpt_rulebook_a_custodian_singlehandedly_takes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[tropic olive]

Damn some scrary shit

I understand better now

[plush mason]

oh no they defiantly turn people purple

[celest dome]

But their spawns are purplish

[plush mason]

they literally mutate them with nid DNA

so if its from Leviathan they can and do have purple skin

yeah true

why would they?

[celest dome]

They are infected for outsiders
Also some people are born with infectious diseases

[plush mason]

yeah thats a distenction the imperium doesnt make

[plush mason]

ok that was a really cool little side story

[green loom]

Thank my weird archived memory of Reddit posts

[plush mason]

man got mobbed by 30+ and only got a minor injury from a lucky hit

[tropic olive]

In the Warhammer 40,000 universe, the worlds are large cities that are interconnected? Or They exist in a similar form to ours, with continents and multiple countries, etc ? I wonder how Space Marines or even the Imperial Guard manage to conquer entire worlds in a matter of months. Also, it’s difficult for me to imagine how Konrad Curze was able to eliminate crime entirely on an entire planet.

[plush mason]

it depends on the world in question

[orchid lark]

Primachs are crazy fast

[sleek wigeon]

as the old saying goes: "nobody can be a criminal if there is nobody to be a criminal"

[plush mason]

and yeah Primachs are literal demigods

[sleek wigeon]

love the night lords

[orchid lark]

back in the 30k days, Space Marine Legions had Auxillary human support as well

so maybe around 5000 space marines, and their assets + 2 to 14 millions auxillary human soldiers

[plush mason]

the chapters still do with their serfs and many even have combat ones

[orchid lark]

yeah but those guys dont go out most of the time

they stay on the ships or fortresses

but in 30k

which was what I was talking about

the legions had auxillary troops made from soldiers that were seconded to them

[plush mason]

ah i thought that was just the imperial army

[orchid lark]

imperial army as it is was known didnt exist yet

[tropic olive]

So if I understand correctly, Konrad was running between each country?

[orchid lark]

probably massive trains between hive cities

also, Fear is like a virus

like you know

Batman

in 30k, the imperial army and navy were one thing, it seperated after the heresy

[tropic olive]

Yes but batman cant affect France or china

[plush mason]

yeah once enough gangers get skinned alive for jaywalking most of them will start staying out of trouble

[orchid lark]

also we dont know whether Nostromo had other hive cities on it

[tropic olive]

Okk

[plush mason]

wasnt Nostromo really small too? like moon sized

[orchid lark]

It was a hiveworld, but maybe not to the scale that Terra is now

[plush mason]

no i mean the planet itself

[orchid lark]

Necromunda and like Atoma for darktide has like massive wastelands on the planet

not a lot of things can survive on the barren emptiness

[tropic olive]

And the Siege of Terra was a siege across the entire planet?

[orchid lark]

primarily near the hilmalayas where the imperial palace was

[plush mason]

oh wow its right next the Ghoul Stars, that explains a lot

[orchid lark]

but the siege on terra eventually went everywhere on it

[tropic olive]

Okk

[orchid lark]

I think the Imperial Palace is in the hilmalayas, like the mountains were carved to build it

under everest was like the primarch project or something

[plush mason]

would make sense as thats where the golden throne was

[orchid lark]

inb4 white supremacists cant handle the fact the imperial palace is in asia

[plush mason]

lol

its honestly fitting given how the emperor during the unification wars was called "the lord of lighting"

what better place for a god of storms to live than the world's tallest mountain

[tropic olive]

To be honest, I’m really interested in the strategies they adopt for battles that scale across an entire planet. Thanks for the clarification.

[orchid lark]

multiple simultaneous deep strikes

jokes aside

uhh typically theyd have to insert a forward team somewhere theres no anti air

those troops would have to enter a hive city spire thing

and disable its void shields if it has any

or disable anti air capabalities

to like allow thunderhawk/stormbirds drop offs

thats why scouts and infiltrator units exists in all space marine legions

if they dont have those

theyd have to like spend hours or days

bombarding a city till it buckles down

[tropic olive]

Okk

[orchid lark]

or prolonged sieges for attrition from the outside

Iron Warrior Imperial Fist style

[plush mason]

i wonder. can a SM scout call in an orbital bombardment on like an enemy fort?

[orchid lark]

the ships would have advanced auspex scanners

probably dont need a scout to enter to pinpoint it

if you can just

laser blast it

[plush mason]

true

[orchid lark]

like taking over a planet is dependent on how the primarch or lord commander wants to do it

Siege it with tanks, blow it up for deep striking possibilities

clandestine sabotage from the inside

hell, you can do all 3

once inside the hive city

you lose a lot of certain assets

cant bring most titans

most tanks

[tropic olive]

Oh

[plush mason]

what kind of artilery and air support did they have in 30k? same as they have now or was there stuff they dont have anymore in 40k?

[stuck kernel]

Already asked this in the oggy chat, but figured this would be a better suited place:

Are there any well known non-guardsman Cadians? Psykers, ogryns, anything.

[orchid lark]

they lose most artillery stuff in 40k because it doesnt fit how they work now, but they had bassilisk platforms and medusas too

[tropic olive]

If they want to attack a planet like us, they will launch blitz attacks on all the important locations within countries. I understand better now. I used to think it was literally a country-by-country invasion where they did everything one by one.

[orchid lark]

probably not Ogryns because Cadia isnt a high gravity planet, but they have psykers

[orchid lark]

depending on the tactics they can do that, but the Imperium knows numbers can win, and theyll pile up bodies for a victory

[stuck kernel]

I see, interesting. I actually thought about this once I saw that we could pick Cadia for all 4 archetypes, so then I wondered what would a Cadian psyker's/zealot's story be like

Given how 99% of Cadian related stuff seems to be about the IG, at least from what I have seen

[orchid lark]

it was a fortress world, close to the eye of terror

war and soldiering is their life

psykers and zealots would be soldiers first, psykers and zealots second

but you can only have so much voicelines and stuff

[plush mason]

^

[orchid lark]

before those .ogg/.wav files start taking up a lot of space

most high gravity planets that humans have held for thousands of years will have ogryns

thats why some ogryns in game would say

theyre the best type of ogryns

Convergent Evolution

[green loom]

Unlikely as everyone on the planet serves

[orchid lark]

There are Cadian Inquisitors on Cadia doing usual Inquisition stuff

Non cadians also do stop by on Cadia for business

[green loom]

They don't even have families, they have breeding programs like they did in Gears 3
At least that's how it is rn

[plush mason]

Cadia was a fortress world. like all fortress worlds its sole purpose was war and making the tools and people to fight it

[orchid lark]

There are families, Creeds, and Creeds cousin from dawn of war 2

Its just not homely families

[plush mason]

^

[orchid lark]

Even Catachans have normalish families

Those women be strapping their kids on themselves and burning plants away and shit

[plush mason]

its "families" that exist for the purpose of being and making new soldiers. for Cadians that is

[green loom]

On another note

Idk who started this narrative about Lion and Roboute disagreeing on stupid bullshit

[orchid lark]

They’re different people but theyre brothers

[green loom]

Yeah and Lion is notably more extreme than Guilliman

[orchid lark]

Like people forget that primarchs see the big picture

[plush mason]

people like to forget that non of the primarchs that stayed loyal saw big e as a god

[orchid lark]

They live to help the imperium, methods be damned

[plush mason]

they live to carry out big e's will and vision

and rn they could do that by destorying everything the imperium is currently

[green loom]

"Hmm, boss is being very active and just saved me from a god killing vírus, I wonder if this means he's slowly coming back"
"THIS MUST MEAN HE FULLY 100% BELIEVES HES A GOD GUYS!"

[gloomy citrus]

More then half of them didn't.

[plush mason]

well yeah

Lorgar and his brain fuckery screwed them

[orchid lark]

Horus’s deceptions and lies screwed them too

[gloomy citrus]

The only ones that really do are the Khan, Dorn, G-man and maybe Vulkan.

[orchid lark]

Are we forgetting about Sanguinius

What the hell

[plush mason]

which where started by Lorgar's brain fuckery

[gloomy citrus]

He died, because he saw a vision of it.

[orchid lark]

All of them, even the traitors before lorgars stupidity cared about the imperium

Thats their whole point was to conquer worlds and foster the imperium over time

[gloomy citrus]

Except for Angron.

[plush mason]

ye

[gloomy citrus]

And Konrad.

[plush mason]

but that was due to the nails in his brain

and Konrad was just a mistake

[orchid lark]

Konrad sought a very fucked up way of peace and control

[plush mason]

yeah

[gloomy citrus]

But it worked.

[plush mason]

for like a little bit

[orchid lark]

It worked when he could oversee it

When it was in his hands

[plush mason]

once he stopped terrorizing them the people of Nostromo insantly went back to their criminal ways

which lead him to just exeterminatus the whole thing

some leader

[orchid lark]

His legion then had more and more butchers because both the nobility and gangers that came back got recruited

[gloomy citrus]

Only Sevatar and Talos are decent Night Lords.

[plush mason]

^

[orchid lark]

Sevatar, decent

[gloomy citrus]

Alongside some other Terran-born.

[orchid lark]

Theres only one good Lord Commander

Its Raldoron

[green loom]

Worlds the night lords conquered literally turned tail the second the night lords looked away

Even Nostramo

[plush mason]

^

[green loom]

Raldoron is nice

Also do I uh

Make a mistake

Or keep my money

[plush mason]

that is the mistake

even rn in its limited state its great

[green loom]

You make a solid case

[plush mason]

its owlcat

they are still one of the few safe bets for pre-orders

[orchid lark]

Its your money

If you fret about spending something

Maybe sleep on the decision

See if you remember to do it when yoh wake up

[plush mason]

yeah

[orchid lark]

If you do, then you want it

If you forgot about it

You never really needed it

[green loom]

40 bucks is just sort of a lot for me

But I also won't spend it on anything else

[orchid lark]

Put it in savings and dont look at it

Its like buying stocks

You buy stocks and just ignore it

[green loom]

Idk I have like

Maybe 200 bucks left over

Actually no

300 in total

Most of which I can't spend

[orchid lark]

Same

My parents gave me a chunk of money but said its emergency money

I was like okay

Wont touch it till I die i guess

[plush mason]

if your lucky

[green loom]

I've got some left over from tuition but since I told them I might try doing sketch commissions to buy stuff they've basically ordered me not to touch my own money

[plush mason]

lol

just tell them you will do furry art. they will start asking you for money

[green loom]

No kidding

[orchid lark]

Its how I got some money

Furries will spend money for commissions to help others before they help themselves ffs

[plush mason]

being a furry is insanely expensive. they have the cash to burn

[green loom]

What the fuck

My wrath playthrough was 60 hours in total

[plush mason]

yeah one of the starter classes isnt full in yet and it tells you you might not want to play it if you plan to play over 10 hours

[orchid lark]

Very much a, “I succeeded in life by forcing myself to do what I needed to do, but have no skills or outlets for expressing my imagination or creativity.”

And on the flip side is that

Number 1 surgeon in america of some specialisation going

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-ice-water-i-dont-need-it-gif-14272849

[orchid lark]

I like falco fucking buildings

[plush mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805863292479602728/1112828761243668560/WEALTH.mov this is very accurate

[orchid lark]

Me but im smiling

Except i dont wanna do full nsfw

[plush mason]

very fair

[orchid lark]

Ill do pinups but nsfw is like

Wont be good in terms of quality like genuinely

[green loom]

I somehow manage to pop into those communities completely passively

[plush mason]

same

[orchid lark]

Its like r34 artists doing some works

But their work feels like chewing gum

[green loom]

I've never seen a woman and you expect me to draw one?

[orchid lark]

I just draw buff dudes

Nyantcha is a r34 artist that definitely feels like chewing gum art

Its nice in the first 4 seconds

But after that its just

Why am i still chewing

[plush mason]

the sad and simple fact is, there just isnt much of a reason to put much effort into NSFW art because it will almost always sell well.

[orchid lark]

Some artists are really good at theirs because they like their work

Its why I like even like

Amateurish works

Like one layer artists on deviantart or whatever

I cry thinking about how

[green loom]

Miles DF

Or whatever their name was

[orchid lark]

How I wish I can enjoy my work again

[green loom]

"That will be 3000 dollars for your mouse sir"

[orchid lark]

At some point of getting this art and animation diploma

I just couldnt find my love for drawing again

That said I fucking love my art tho

I got pride still

[plush mason]

i tried being an artist when i was younger

[green loom]

[plush mason]

i sucked at it hard

[crimson kayak]

Let me guess, it's porn?

[green loom]

Nope

The guy is, genuinely, a really good artist

[crimson kayak]

Well, then you better give me the fucking Mona Lisa for 5000

[plush mason]

dont worry he will

[green loom]

Iirc he worked professionally for a while

But still

thousands?

[shadow plover]

Good art requires good money

[crimson kayak]

Oooh

[orchid lark]

No that makes sense

[crimson kayak]

It's furry art

That makes much more sense

[orchid lark]

Professionals have high standards even for themselves

[shadow plover]

Good for them

[plush mason]

still that art is in the price range of a full on fursuit lol

[crimson kayak]

In the world of commissions 2 things will cost you a kidney to get drawn and it's good porn and good furries apparently

[orchid lark]

My 3d sculpting teacher who worked on happy tree friends, has super high standards

[green loom]

Hey I mean, if they can afford it

[orchid lark]

Dude sculpts pores into his models

For the realism

[green loom]

He did what

[orchid lark]

Yeah he was one of the major production supervisers

[crimson kayak]

Come on never seen happy tree friends?

[green loom]

I watched the hell out of Happy Tree Friends when I was 11

[orchid lark]

This dude is like

Best of the best

2d animation

3 animation

[plush mason]

you watch that at age 11?

[green loom]

Yeah

[crimson kayak]

Yes?

[orchid lark]

Sculpting clay and 3d (both of which self taught whilst teaching still)

Monster of a teacher

[green loom]

Gore videos were being traded around by others the second we got access to phones

People are fucked up

[orchid lark]

Happy Tree Friends was life

[green loom]

Especially trade schoolers apparently

[plush mason]

true

[crimson kayak]

I can say fist of the north star was my first introduction to violence on tv

[plush mason]

and the there is me whom would have got grounded for a week if my parents saw me watching something like happy tree friends lol

[green loom]

I played Dawn of War when I was 3

[orchid lark]

I watched 80s flicks with my dad when i was a preteen

[crimson kayak]

Btw, getting back to Lore, just watched The Sadness and that's pretty much how I expect your local slaneesh cultist to act around

[green loom]

They didn't like me watching stuff like that but they also didn't actively supervise me

[plush mason]

kek

[orchid lark]

That a movie or summat

[crimson kayak]

Movie

[green loom]

That's what I thought when I was watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoZJdil0_HI&ab_channel=idioglossia2

[crimson kayak]

Eyes wide shut is the "sane" side of the cultists

[orchid lark]

Slaaneshi cults are about pleasure, dont need to be sexual

Can be drugs

Like

Trainspotting

Or people really obssesed with something specifically

[green loom]

Yeah but I think it's not dissimilar to like, the average spire cult

Just a ton of nobles being weird

[plush mason]

weirder than normal*

[green loom]

[crimson kayak]

Yeah, the sadness is fun for this because basically the infected in the film go full dark Eldar and try to find not infected to make them suffer shitton of pain before dying/turning

[green loom]

Also the soundtrack is very nice wahammer ambience

[orchid lark]

Is it a horrorish film

I only watch horror films on netflix and things

[plush mason]

wtf is wrong with my brain? i just read pain as pleasure lol

[green loom]

Is this a fucking rick and morty refernce

[orchid lark]

What is

[crimson kayak]

Yep, shudder original, think of it zombie film but all zombies are psycho killers

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLzuSk13Wsw&ab_channel=AdultSwimUK

[crimson kayak]

That's an hell raiser reference

[plush mason]

no it literally just happened lol. had to re-read it to make sure lol

i must still be grogy from waking up lol

[crimson kayak]

I mean, in the film the infected's brain connect the two so you weren't far off lol

[plush mason]

lol

also, if i start falling to Slannesh, please kill me

[crimson kayak]

Nah, we'll put you in the most modest and safe of rooms to live a modest and boring life

[plush mason]

thats just my life rn lol

[plush mason]

so i assume a void ship's "arch-militant" is like the chief of security?

[celest dome]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Arch-Militant
Kinda

[crimson kayak]

arch-militant is the final step for your classic veteran archetype basically

[plush mason]

ah

[crimson kayak]

This is a pretty good tl:Dr of arch militants (atleast the rpg class, but it works well too for lore)

[plush mason]

the arch-militant we meet at the start of rogue trader is great

Mort

with a melta gun

[crimson kayak]

ye in general the whole ship cast of the rogue trader game is pretty good

[plush mason]

yes

even the minor ones like Mort

[crimson kayak]

sadge most dialogue wasn't voiced in the alpha and had to read with the sound of fucking industrial machines in the background

[plush mason]

i know

its not voiced in the beta ether

[crimson kayak]

didn't try the beta yet

[plush mason]

im loving it

[crimson kayak]

sooo... i was looking at the very old Astronomican book to find info regarding Hylgar's Hell Raisers, and damn first edition just didn't give a shit at who's equipment was what lol

Mesh armour and Shuriken Catapults these guardsmen sound more like eldar to me lol

(also god damn 20 power armours for a regimental formation)

[plush mason]

there is imperial mesh armor in this game lol. it gives extra ranged DR

[crimson kayak]

yeah but remember this is first edition where everyone had everything basically lol

[plush mason]

true

[crimson kayak]

like, they also have land raiders and speeder's

[tropic olive]

The best book to buy ?

[crisp heath]

Dark Imperium trilogy

Cadian Blood as a close second

[tropic olive]

The angron one is good ?

[crisp heath]

Haven't even read a review of that one. Maybe.

Also Jesus my French is rusty, that's so simple and my brain still took a minute to load

[tropic olive]

Sorry

I dont know the book in english

[crisp heath]

It's fine, I'm more yelling at myself lmao

[tropic olive]

Thanks btw

You saved me and my friend

We want start reading so bad

[crisp heath]

Np

[near wasp]

Personally i also recommend dark imperium

[tropic olive]

I buy it

Its a big ahh book

So i wont spoil myself but it happen after cadia right ?

[near wasp]

Yeah

[tropic olive]

I see guilliman fight on the cover

[near wasp]

Its after indominus

[tropic olive]

Ok thanks

[trail fable]

can someone please explain the tech religion to me?

It just seems like they combine tech and religious buzzwords together in a not very clever way.

[near wasp]

Its hard to explain a relgion

[orchid lark]

It predates the imperium thats for sure

They believe knowledge is the ultimate like

Goal or something

And every human is a storage for knowledge so they seek more better ways to preserve knowledge

[near wasp]

Basically they worship the machines that terraformed mars and these life giving machines were worshipped as holy. This religion expanded into all machines and thus became the mechanicum

[orchid lark]

Well they worship the deus mechanicus

Not the machines that terraformed mars

The Emperor of Mankind is seen as the avatar of the machine god

Hence the title

Omnissiah

Machines more or less are seen as the next necessary steps to human advancement

[queen laurel]

Speaking of mechanicus, where did the machine spirits come from

[orchid lark]

Machines that got more advanced appeared to have its own behaviour

Its just the inner workings of a machine

Not AI

[near wasp]

Machine spirits could be misunderstood ai but dont let a tech priest hear that

[orchid lark]

Well theyre not AI

[near wasp]

Titans are said to have there own will

Thats definitely either an ai or very close to one

[orchid lark]

The machine spirits of bigger machine vehicles have some degree of combination of organic and mechanical

In the sense of titans and some space marine tanks

You have to mentally interface with the machines

Knights and titans have Throne Mechanicums

Its like pacific rim

The machine will somehow get these same behaviours from its occupants

Making a more visible machine spirit

[queen laurel]

So the more advanced the machine the sentient it is?

[near wasp]

Yeah

[orchid lark]

Not really

[queen laurel]

That explains the castigator titan

[orchid lark]

Well thats AI

Everything else is inferior to it because it cant be replicated

[near wasp]

[orchid lark]

Hence the throne mechanicum

[terse flume]

i asked this ages ago and got a different answer so i'll ask again: are the machine spirits like, real in setting

[orchid lark]

Which requires the neural link

Again like Pacific Rim

[near wasp]

They are real

[orchid lark]

Machine Spirits for somethings are very real

[terse flume]

never had the pleasure

[uneven temple]

Yesterday I couldn't get a weed whacker to start up. I paused, caressed it, and said praise to the machine spirit. The weed whacker started up after that

[orchid lark]

Land raiders and drop pods have machine spirits that are smart enough

[uneven temple]

Just sayin

[orchid lark]

To behave on its own

But a leman russ has a “machine spirit”

Which is just how they describe its inner workings

It can be half sentient

[queen laurel]

It's very real, as in lore, apparently some machine spirits are so violent they can still take control of the vehicles after the crew is dead

[orchid lark]

But not sapient

[orchid lark]

The biggest example being in Rynns World

[terse flume]

i attribute every truely fucked piece of computer hardware or software as being haunted by malevolent ghosts, ww2 pilots talked about gremlins, etc. but like, i couldn't solve a fucked up OS install with an exorcism, no matter how tempted i sometimes am

[orchid lark]

Its like how we have cars now where if you take care of the machine

Service it

Oil change

Fix the coolant

Youre essentially fixing the machine spirit in 40k terms

[terse flume]

you know it's useful to have a point after which you just say "what will fix my computer?" "holy water and a stalwart priest"

[orchid lark]

Except they don’t do that on 40k

We ironically do that in real life

[near wasp]

They use holy oils

[orchid lark]

Go to heavily catholic countries and you can find news about priests blessing servers

Hardcore Islamic folks will occasionally say a prayer everytime they start their car

You just have to say a prayer once when you get the car lmao

No need for it everytime

[terse flume]

if you have ever sat through memory training on a fresh expensive build waiting for it to post you have prayed to a kind of machine spirit, i assure you

[orchid lark]

Machine Spirit is just how people in 40k rationalise the workings of the machine

[terse flume]

it exists in a quantum superposition of fixed and not fixed

[near wasp]

Next time the servers at work have an issue ill pray to them

[orchid lark]

It might work

Who knows

Praying to the machine spirit is just a very superstitious way of saying

Do your maintenance

With that said

Small machines like your lasgun

Will have a “machine spirit”

But big things that require neural interfacing?

Like dreadnoughts, some space marine tanks, and big things like knights up to titans?

They have Machine Spirits

parts of the human occupants mind and "soul" will bleed into it

hence the behaviour

maybe

GW doesnt really fully explain this shit

[queen laurel]

GW doesn't explain a lot of shit

[green loom]

Anyone know how long the Rogue Trader beta will last?

[uneven temple]

Month or two? However long wotr's beta was is probably a good barometer

A mod on their discord said until release so maybe a little longer

That seems to be how long the wotr beta lasted as well soooo

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-ice-water-i-dont-need-it-gif-14272849

[near wasp]

That was me with boltgun

[minor ingot]

I read it was lasting until release

[summer rover]

explaining "machine spirit" defeats the purpose of the term, which is to cover literally everything the writers don't fully understand techwise without looking stupid

everything from supercomputers to the automatic recevier of an autogun (hint: that's a spring) have been called "machine spirit" because the writers are kinda dumb.

[orchid lark]

well people asked what it is, and i tried to explain to the best of my abilities remembering tidbits of stuff and double checking from lexicanum

i dont want to just start it out and say, "it means jackshit, and GW is lazy, sod off."

[summer rover]

lexicanum is probably worse than making shit up, to be honest.

[minor ingot]

Imagine needing the lexicanum and not knowing your techna linguis by heart

[orchid lark]

well, fuck me for trying to help people

[summer rover]

yeah, screw you adam, this is your fault!

[minor ingot]

I'll do you for free buddy boy

Get the pleasure servitor

[summer rover]

[minor ingot]

The one from New Vegas

[near wasp]

I need to purge my eyeballs after reading this

[dusk patrol]

Tbh the main thing with machine spirits is it’s not one thing

It varies from basically just being the electronics inside a pager to being a full fledged borderline or actual AI

[storm jungle]

Inconsistent writing?

ın my 40k?

[green loom]

Dilara, lookamy coat of arms

[dusk patrol]

Ok tbh it’s not inconsistent writing really it’s intentionally varied and not super well understood in universe

[chilly creek]

A few patch cycles after release, like most Owlcat games

[terse flume]

well that was kind of core to my inquiry

like if a tau and a tech priest got stranded on a planet, enemy mine style and had to work together

and the tech priest is like, i'm going to go cast a prayer spell on this machine to make it work

entirely divorced from the other context or whatever

[dusk patrol]

So to be clear, while some of their little prayers and canticles aren’t needed

[terse flume]

would the tau see the priest doing actual work in the form of a prayer

[dusk patrol]

It is real stuff

[terse flume]

like could the tau see a malevolent machine spirit ghost

[dusk patrol]

Like it’s actual maintenance procedures just made into a religious ritual

[storm jungle]

Its inconsistent. Because the writers cannot explain what a machine spirit is without really breaking the lore too much.

[terse flume]

it is hard to articulate that i'm asking how literally true this typically is without going "okay there's a normal person watching", lol

[storm jungle]

Its literally AI but also not at the same time.

• Someone in BL

[dusk patrol]

It’s based off a short story called “A Canticle for Liebowitz” which is about catholic monks who memorize how stuff works by making the procedures into rituals

[terse flume]

right they memorize calculus and it actually is calculus

[dusk patrol]

Post apocalyptic monks

[terse flume]

it's coached in prayer terms but it's like literally the same formulas etc

[storm jungle]

I mean it doesnt take a genius writer to go

[dusk patrol]

The entire Ad Mech deal is heavily rooted in that

[storm jungle]

"How about religion but machines"

"Brilliant!"

people will worship anything

[arctic talon]

Machine spirits being inconsistant is fine

imo

[storm jungle]

its entirely to leave room for the writers to work yeah

or just write lazy deus ex machinas

[dusk patrol]

They’re not supposed to be consistent cause they’re not all the same

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

either way yeah

this isnt that deep

[dusk patrol]

Titans machine spirits are a far cry from a bolters machine spirit

[storm jungle]

its just handwave-writing

a machine spirit will do whatever tf the author wants

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-typing-busy-typewriter-writing-gif-16527898

[dusk patrol]

Sometimes but there’s consistency is levels of machine spirits normally

Titans tend to act a certain way

[storm jungle]

I mean even that its just

"the bigger the machine the harder the spirit"

Dont quote me on that

[dusk patrol]

BEEG machine needs beeg spirit

This is why fat people have more soul

It’s science

[green loom]

Titans will actively try dominating you to go on a rampage

[dusk patrol]

Some will, it depends on how old they are and their “personality”

Princeps who don’t die in combat tend to die from finally losing themsleves to the titans machine spirit and becoming one with it.

And the bigger the Titan, the faster that happens.

[arctic talon]

The Titan succs your soul

[green loom]

I will soothe it with fancy drawings

[arctic talon]

if you stop paying attention

fancy

[near wasp]

I definatly will be quoting you on that

[terse flume]

well there's inconsistancy i mean like, i guess the foundational question i'm asking is, is the machine spirit like, correct

are machine priests deluded and more or less cargo culting a la tech priests as you might see, or is their religion like objectively correct, or is it a special quality of human tech or maybe specifically martian human tech, etc etc

but it's clearly not written in a clear cut way

back to enemy mine, if the tech priest had to work on a tau piece of tech, planets of lives hang in the balance, he's going to be executed for it and he knows it last desperate thing, sort of deal

and he did a prayer on a tau drive or something

would it like, fizzle? would it be like an ork mechanic trying to fix a human drive, just a primitive thing completely fucking it around but lacking ork magic

or would the tau ship have a machine spirit that is normally placated by tau engineering and it would go shit this prayer owns i like this little red thing and work

(and again i am aware the written answer is "lol don't think about it" or "yes/no/absolutely/never all at once")

[plush mason]

so will the chair spin around to face the wheel when going into the warp?

[storm jungle]

Yes

its for comfort you fool

every evil overlord needs a cool rotating chair

[plush mason]

true

[winter vessel]

It’s gonna get awkward if it stops halfway through the rotation

[dusk patrol]

I’ll have you know I’m not an Evil Overlord, I’m just Evil. My crew is way too unruly and my retinue doesn’t listen to me enough for me to be an Overlord

[modern galleon]

in a hive city is a majority of the environments supposed to be just these urban area?

[green loom]

Yes

It's a dystopian megacity

Also

Make the shield marble, yay or nay?

[terse flume]

the act of building and managing the pollution of a hive almost always ruins the remainder of the planet

daot had machines to prevent this and they're almost all broken

[plush mason]

i like it

[storm jungle]

It's indeed purposefully a shithole

[plush mason]

a shithole filled with dystopian Darwinistic tribal houses that are always at war tho not always in open armed conflict. unless its the underhive ofc

[versed ledge]

Evil overlords always get better gaming chairs

[rose thorn]

Stupid question, I forgot can space marines get PTSD or do they got the fuckinh trauma suppression organ

[storm jungle]

Yeah they can get PTSD

[rose thorn]

Baller

[green loom]

They're just semi resilient to it's actual effects in combat

Like Cato has it iirc

And as a side effect he's just ultradepressed

My eyes hurt

[gloomy citrus]

Look no further then the Blood Angels.

And their successors.

[storm jungle]

thats not really PTSD more just psychically induced trauma

[summer rover]

so like retail PTSD.

[keen stratus]

Dunno, maybe it feels good while it kills you

[keen stratus]

If you say this phrase to a psychologist theyre gonna maul you

[green loom]

Gaming time

[echo vault]

Had a moment playing vermintide where I struggled to explain the difference between a crypt ghoul and a crypt horror

[green loom]

They seem to be made up for darktide

[plush mason]

iirc crypt horror=crypt ghoul that was fed vampire blood

[arctic talon]

this is a funny rule

[plush mason]

oh wow so the voidborn do actually exabit some of the theorized effects of being born on space ships/stations

[keen stratus]

Hey guys, what personality you recommend for ogryn? (I know dilara has good taste)

[celest cedar]

Bodyguard. Since he's the most intelligent Ogryn. And is not just a caricature like Brawler's "RATIONS" or Bully's schoolyard bully energy.

IMO

[keen stratus]

ok, thanks

[celest cedar]

IMO

IMO

[keen stratus]

thanks

IMO

[echo vault]

Yeah but how do you explain that to someone who literally knows nothing about Warhammer vampire lore

I did say that but it's like big naked man mutated and fed evil vampire blood now has bones sticking out

Crypt ghouls are just people that eat dead bodies

[plush mason]

yeah just tell them that and tell them the horrors are just really big versions that have been empowered by vampire blood would be my guess

[echo vault]

Ye that's what I ended up saying

I just felt like a loremaster ghoul explaining the arts of necromancy

[near wasp]

Oi i resent that, i only bully those smaller than me, and the stinkies too

[crisp heath]

True that Gera true that @plush mason

[celest dome]

Crypt Ghoul: Ghoul that was forced to cannibalise Ghouls to survive and became stronger
Crypt Horror: Ghoul who got Vampire Blood

[echo vault]

Thank u

[crimson kayak]

Now that I think about it, we have only seen Hotshot Lasguns (not backpack powered) only 2 times in media as they seem only to appear on the old stormtroopers and the Severan Dominate Shock Troops

[celest dome]

Does the Hotshot Longlas have a backpack ?

[crimson kayak]

Nope

[celest dome]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hotshot_Marksman_Rifle

[crimson kayak]

But that's basically a short long-las

Like, literally a dmr long las

[celest dome]

How do you think the Prismata crystal will end being used ?

[crimson kayak]

Imo three ways it can go

1. as you or someone else said it will be used to power up some map gimmick
2. Custom pattern of lasgun, or maybe new blessings
3. The one I hope for just cause how fun it would be seeing everyone reaction, have it be a lore reason for recon Las buffs lol

Also imo infernus could have been an alternate fire mode for recon or something

[celest cedar]

If Melk and Hallowette is present. They have an elevator conversation that implies it's gonna be sold to another unknown party and that Hallowette will be getting a 20% cut off of it.

[crimson kayak]

Do you know what morrow or others say? Didn't play the map yet

[celest dome]

Same

[crimson kayak]

Hadron will put them to good use my ass then lol

[celest cedar]

Morrow instead during the elevator monlogue before reaching the Ascension Riser. He instead reminisces about how if the Rejects were in Armageddon. They would be heroes = dead. Thats the only one I've heard so far. He seems to start opening up to the Rejects more in the mission.

I think mission control for Ascension Riser 31 is only Morrow and Hallowette + Melk

[crimson kayak]

That's something I noticed in general with the recent update

On another pre-mission introduction he also says something along the lines of "Go in, Get Out, then we get drunk"

[celest cedar]

The rumours about him are still rampant
Now some say he was Macragge. Saved Lord Calgar himself apparently.

[crimson kayak]

Wot

[storm jungle]

To quote the Cadian veteran

"And here I thought he was there when the Emperor slew Horus!"

fav line from the game

[near wasp]

I heard Marrow fought beside Guilliman when he was resurrected

Slew a khornite bezerker with his revolver

Shot him clean through the eye

[tropic olive]

Which loyalist Space Marine can handle him in a 1v1?

[random valley]

Malum Caedo

[astral whale]

Tiberos.

[tropic olive]

Boltgun ?

[random valley]

Yeah

[tropic olive]

Yeah he is so strong

[tropic olive]

I didnt play the game so i trust you

[astral whale]

That’s Tiberos.

[near wasp]

Maybe molouch chapter master of the minotaurs

Even a custodes stated he might not of been able to take him

[celest dome]

For any names character it depends on the PoV and if they really want to kill a character

[tropic olive]

Seriously ?

Idk what is minotaurs

[shadow plover]

a chapter filled with very unruly space marines

[tropic olive]

I tought custodes was unable to lose

[near wasp]

They have a roman gladator aesthetic

Do you care about spoilers for watchers of the throne?

[shadow plover]

The custodes in question was alone though with a proper squad's or two's worth of minotaurs behind Moloch

[shadow plover]

that alone is a spoiler tbh

[tropic olive]

I mean no but care for others

[near wasp]

You guys think even the most vague information is a spoiler

[tropic olive]

Im good

[near wasp]

A chapter showing up in a book isnt a spoiler

[tropic olive]

No problem bro

[tropic olive]

You can spoil me dw

[shadow plover]

it's a pretty big plot point in that book whom are doing all those actions there but go off

[near wasp]

Ill dm you

[tropic olive]

Good

[near wasp]

And i gave no indication of the reason, plot, or details.

[storm jungle]

Also

lore drop time

[shadow plover]

[crimson kayak]

Oh god Nids Got Skaven'd

There's no nids near Holy Terra

[storm jungle]

As ever religion is bad

[shadow plover]

gotta check Ian's new video

[storm jungle]

Its super good

very informative on the new codex information

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/nowarinbasingse-atla-avatar-the-last-gif-18401680

I find too many instances to use this gif

[meager needle]

any ultramarine captain with the right author

[near wasp]

I cant wait to get my marines and paint them blue and watch prople seeth when i show them off

Their tears are like a fine wine

[green loom]

I'm working on a big lore drop rn

[near wasp]

Noice

[green loom]

I may need to draw some landscape stuff

[shadow plover]

Ultramarine hate is so 2008

[near wasp]

There are people who still hate them because redbull gasoline was the first primarch back

[shadow plover]

indeed, and it's tiring

[green loom]

The ever curious case of someone loving Titus, but hating Cato

[near wasp]

"Ultramarines get everything"

I havnt read any books with cato more than a supporting character. I actually like him

[meager needle]

is titus the ultramarine captain from that old space marine game?

[shadow plover]

yes

also will return in Space Marine 2

but as a lieutenant

[green loom]

Who's character barely extends beyond one liners yes

[meager needle]

i played that a bunch when i was a bit younger

[near wasp]

I hope we get a bit more character in the second game

[meager needle]

slightly hyped about space marine 2 but trying not to get my hopes up too much

[shadow plover]

it looks pretty promising

[meager needle]

the engine for space marine was perfect, like how it actually felt to manoeuvre the environments and use the weapons and seamlessly switch from melee to ranged

[green loom]

The only thing I'm not thrilled about is the dialogue we've heard so far

A) Titus sounds bad when not shouting
B) Painful exposition

[meager needle]

i've been avoiding anything about it, especially because it's been so long since the original came out

[shadow plover]

the exposition could just as well be trailer mumbo jumbo

[meager needle]

one of the problems with 40k is there is often a bunch of exposition needed to get across the importance of certain plot beats and key characters

[green loom]

I guess it doesn't help that his VA sucks lmao

[meager needle]

i found the first game has a good amount of it but a lot of stuff definitely made a lot more sense when i replayed it recently with a much better knowledge of the setting vs when i first played it years ago as a kid getting into 40k for the first time

[astral whale]

I hate the Ultrasmurfs for being space Romans without any of the flaws that make Rome as an empire interesting.

There’s a reason why there is a meme that good ultramarine characters SUCK at being Ultramarines.

Same thing with the Space Wolves.

Vikings in name only.

[crisp heath]

Malum Caedo is cooler than Titus and I don't even care for Boltgun

[near wasp]

Malum caedo is a vortex of death

[crimson kayak]

Tbf what do you expect from the guy who's name means I Slay Evil

[celest cedar]

why you gotta make it sound like Romans are a fantasy society

[near wasp]

Im like 80 percent sure dudes the living embodyment of khorne

[crimson kayak]

Mmh yes, I too would love the changing of the Ultramarines Chapter Master to be made by their Honour Guard stabbing their leader in the back because they are dissatisfied

[crimson kayak]

He's the Tuska Daemon Killa of the Imperium

[near wasp]

Its almost like they are psychologicaly indoctrinated to be loyal

[crimson kayak]

Yeah lol, I wouldn't really want a legion of superhumans backstabbing each other for their personal political interests thank you

I already have enough of that living in modern Italy

Without the superhumans

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-zuko-thats-rough-buddy-thats-rough-gif-4264932

[crimson kayak]

I mean, you don't stay on the winning side of history without some fancy switcheroo's

Sadge the Dieprian Mountain Men got shafted by the Tau through, loved the Alpini anesthetic

[near wasp]

I mean 20th century military leaders didnt exactly win many battles

[crimson kayak]

We went full circle from invading less tech advanced populations to getting fully shafted for not keeping up and starting conflicts where we couldn't keep up lol

[near wasp]

They took advantage of those who had the same flaws as themselves

[celest cedar]

I only know of Italy thx to Internet Historian's Cost of Concordia video

So its either a Schettino or a De Falco on Italy for me

[crimson kayak]

Lol

(funny enough IH video is also one of the most comprehensive of what happened)

Or wait it's informative?

Can't remember the term

It's good

[near wasp]

Both are correct terms to use

[celest cedar]

Its such a good video and I love the presentation

Like in your perspective. How did Schettino even become a ship captain

[green loom]

I have some ideas for structure for my guys, before it used to be very weird and stupid but now I've got some better ideas

Current idea: Companies are lead by Lords(Captains), I'm debating calling the LTs something like Knight Errants, though not sure

The Captains retain a household guard of handpicked marines, basically just Sword Brethren for the BT

Companies can be split into two demi companies called Errantries, there's one LT for each

Then just normal codex stuff from there

[crimson kayak]

Sounds good, maybe only knight Errant is eh.

[green loom]

Was thinking of borrowing Marshal or Castellan

Originally wanted Baron but that's a bit too high on the chain

That or I just keep LT as it is

[crimson kayak]

You could go for Bannermen

Or well, Banneret if you want to go historical names

(and also can have the Banneret actually have their banners on their backpacks)

[green loom]

Oooo

I like bannerman

[crimson kayak]

Yep, you could also use stuff like bladeguards shield shaped insignia, personal coat of arms or stuff like that from knight orders to visually signify rank without the shoulder-insigna

Or more modern knight stuff, like how a British Knight Grand Cross uses a star on their chest and a sash to represent their rank

[green loom]

Good ideas

I might add in purple to my schemes too, for higher ranks

Maybe for accessories

[crimson kayak]

I mean, purple by default is royalty so it can work well with rank

[green loom]

That's the intent yeah

I could use like

A quartered shield

To show company and squad numbers

Shoulderpads are dark grey...
So maybe a red shield above the icon for battlefield role, which would be white, and white numbers in the shield to denote either

[green loom]

I am very quickly becoming a Lamenters fanboy

[storm jungle]

Lamenter lore is great

people just overblow it a lot

the simplicity of it is what makes it compelling

[green loom]

Yeah the damn

Doge hammer video got me.

Also their battlecry is probably in my top 5

Maybe higher

[storm jungle]

its super good

[green loom]

I need to do something like that to get viral....

[vale shuttle]

i was going to paint my dark imperium marines lamenters but yellow is too hard

[rose thorn]

hey all

[rose thorn]

alot of pro painters i see piant yellow as basically light oranges lmao

light orange on dark orange

liek this

[vale shuttle]

yeah see that doesn't read as yellow to me that reads as orange

i know why they do it, it's because yellow is impossible to work with

[rose thorn]

yea lol

honeslty it looks better then yellow

[vale shuttle]

but it's still not what i'd want

[rose thorn]

if you need yellow

alot of people use yellow primer

ill dm you my prefered bran

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[vale shuttle]

sure

maybe if i ever go back to loyalist marines i'll do yellow

[green loom]

Highlights

[inland pewter]

Goated

[silver hawk]

So what’s peoples opinions on tyranid lore vs world eater lore

[summer rover]

too much and too much, let them just be things you need to kill.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-opinion-opinion-gif-22134945

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[crisp heath]

What’s you guys favorite chaos god?

[summer rover]

the one god of unbeleif.

[raven prawn]

Slaanesh

[languid salmon]

a dead one

[uneven temple]

The Imperial Tangerines hailing from the world Satsuma

[green loom]

Khorne/Slaanesh

[plush mason]

of all the gods to like equally lol

[celest dome]

Tzeentch/Khorne

[green loom]

I like the prettier slaanesh aesthetics and swordmaster/seductress tropes
For Khorne I love red and he can have some cool knight archetypes

[echo vault]

I wish hashut was in 40k, making some of the legions/people worship lesser chaos entities would actually be cool and have potential for cool ideas but damn

[celest dome]

Lesser Chaos God exist in 40k

But are rarely used

[echo vault]

I wish they were used more

[plush mason]

the navy officer origin just looks awesome

[celest dome]

Clipping or ripped clothes ? (Though it's a beta, so not really problematic)

[plush mason]

yeah its clipping

i just love the look

[green loom]

Can you send me more of these

I'm very tempted to buy it

But I don't think it'd go over well

[plush mason]

its in beta rn

may be best to wait

a lot of the stuff isnt in rn and ofc there are a lot of bugs tho thankfully nothing too game breaking so far

[green loom]

I don't mind that tbh

Someone gave me a code for 50% off on the 100 dollar one

[plush mason]

i would use it tbh

its really fun

[green loom]

Alas 50 dolaroons is a lot of money and I'm already on thin ice

[plush mason]

oof

hopefully the code doesnt expire any time soon

[crimson kayak]

Oh shit I can actually make my character now?

[plush mason]

ye the beta has an actual character creator tho its still a bit limited

[crimson kayak]

Does it still start on the second act?

[plush mason]

nope

beta has the prolog to act 3

[crimson kayak]

Neat

[earnest snow]

Thank god nothing has changed since I stopped paying attention to the discord months ago.

[plush mason]

why would it change?

[storm jungle]

Who?

[earnest snow]

Exactly. crawls back into my rat hole

[earnest snow]

People somehow reading stuff and learning lore. Stuff that nerds do

[storm jungle]

I was gonna check your logs but its entirely in the zealot channel and I dont want to look into that trashfire

[plush mason]

LOL

[earnest snow]

My lore chat logs go like...months ago

[plush mason]

oh i thought you meant the whole discord not just this channel lol

[earnest snow]

And my zealot chat and lore chat are vastly different. I'm a degen in there unlike here

[storm jungle]

Yeah i was confused too

[plush mason]

its zealot chat, you have to be degen to last longer than a few seconds there

[earnest snow]

You are damn right.

[storm jungle]

the same chat that says thunder-hammer is apparently bad

i guess they got nurgle's rot in their brain 😔

[earnest snow]

If it isn't ideal then it's decent at best. Idk I kinda just get the blessings I want, roll with the perks, and just hit stuff

Skill > equipment.

I brought a basic ass chainsword to a damnation team and did well with em.

If it isn't ideal then it's decent at best. Idk I kinda just get the blessings I want, roll with the perks, and just hit stuff

...did i send that twice?

[plush mason]

so question, how powerful does an inquisitor need to be to get a rogue trader working for them? or is it just another case of weird muddy soft power crap?

[storm jungle]

Oh god discord is going nuts

[earnest snow]

Yeah it is oh no. Death be upon us

[storm jungle]

Im seeing duplicate messages on my end too aaa

Test.

[earnest snow]

Woe, nurgle cometh

[plush mason]

mine is lagging

discord is dying

[earnest snow]

Thats it. Bring about the virus bombs admiral. We are hitting discord HQ