40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

Hate.

also Darktide fandom be like

"I hate the cashshop fucking fomo"

buys every skin on it

[green loom]

"DEATH KORPS COSMETIC?????!!! TAKE MY MONEY!!!"

shovels all over the place

[arctic talon]

The old 100

[storm jungle]

Im gonna be honest im a sellout id buy it too

[arctic talon]

Is cooler then any other guard regiment

[storm jungle]

IF its done well

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

yee yee ass fur hats

[celest dome]

I wouldn't buy the Krieg one, but some other ones, why not

[orchid lark]

Fen Guard at the lowest

feels bad

fuck the scots

[plush mason]

the DKOK are cool both in looks and in lore, its just a shame so many of their fans are cringe as hell

[storm jungle]

I love how uh

so many people were like

"im gonna main the shovel"

and its been like months and ive never seen anyone use it

[orchid lark]

meta whores

[near wasp]

My ogryn buddy uses it

[storm jungle]

i think its been like 1 player out of 40 games

[celest dome]

I've never used the Vet Shovel
Cause I've never played the Vet

[plush mason]

i wonder what the ogryn will look like with a pith helmet lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo8Ed8ZhLNM

[green loom]

I'm going through the votes on DK and blocking all of them

[storm jungle]

Oh god please dont block the entire server

[green loom]

[queen laurel]

An inquisitor based on Joshua graham

Hmmm

[tender roost]

In regards to the aquila on Black Templars is there really a right/wrong way to paint them?

Since alot of depictions have gold, white, silver etc

[celest dome]

Well you're allowed to do what ever you want

[arctic talon]

^

Paint it pink for all I care

Maybe this crusade does that

[storm jungle]

Cant believe Warhammer has gone woke

/s

[near wasp]

Its all ereubus' fault

[storm jungle]

Eresus

[orchid lark]

obssessed

literally you cant stop thinking about amoggus

[storm jungle]

IM SORRY

[arctic talon]

[alpine ingot]

I mean it's the trending brain poison for a reason.

[storm jungle]

it doesnt help that 40k has many parallels with it

[alpine ingot]

... I was going to argue that, but it would totally be in line with a mentally unhinged inquisitor to look at a regular ass dude who has done nothing wrong in life and be completely uninvolved with some scheme he's investigating and still go "yup he's probably a heretic, gotta put him down just in case!" and go on with his witch burning.

[sweet saffron]

bru 40k is literally "Lets throw in every science fiction and high fantasy trope into a blender. Then give it Cocaine and Steroids along with cripling depression"

[alpine ingot]

don't forget the dash of codine and Oregano

[near wasp]

Yall make me wanna gaslight people in among us

[sweet saffron]

and crystal meth

[sweet saffron]

do it

whats stopping you

[alpine ingot]

that is literally 85% of the game

[near wasp]

I know

[sweet saffron]

you guys want to know somthing fucked. Therapy is just paying a guy to gaslight you until you are ok mentally

[storm jungle]

I have been to like 3 therapists

can confirm

[sweet saffron]

I am currently in therapy, can also confirm

Hell I got into 40k through a recomendation of my therapist. well not 40k to be exact but he did tell me to look for a hobby that involves creativity and meeting people in person

[near wasp]

Ive never met another 40k fan in person

[sweet saffron]

They're easier to find at game workshop stores or other ttrpg stores

[alpine ingot]

I'm just a nerd for the audio books

[sweet saffron]

hey kid want a good resource on finding audiobooks

[alpine ingot]

they make a great way to fill out the time whilst I work

[near wasp]

Its like a hour to get to the nearest store

[sweet saffron]

Same

[near wasp]

I just bit the bullet and bought some models and paints

Necrons and loyalist marines

[odd palm]

Picked up the 9th ed box?

[near wasp]

Yep

Was execting to spend more money than i did

[arctic talon]

Those starter boxes are always good deals

ESP if you’re a marine player

[near wasp]

I might make a custom chapter or i might just paint ultramarines

[uneven temple]

Ain't nuthin wrong with the boys in blue

[near wasp]

I agree, weve long passed the matt ward days

[crimson kayak]

Obviously he opens the casket with a fucking flamethrower

[green loom]

it wasn't even matt ward

[plush mason]

ofc. no better way

[near wasp]

Then who created the ultramarines are the best thing?

[green loom]

fkn half the authors at the time

most of whom are still writing

afaik

I think Matt only coined the "spiritual liege" thing in the codex

[storm jungle]

Yeah codexes stopped crediting writers after that

[summer rover]

GW largely stopped crediting any of the creative staff after that, which is a shame

[storm jungle]

I literally just said that

[summer rover]

no, you said writers. they also stopped crediting which artist painted or sculpted what, which is a lot bigger. i wanna know who's doing all the really stupid tactical rocks.

[storm jungle]

same thing

yeet

[south meteor]

blueberries are the captain america of space marines

sides they basic marines and probs count and report the cayons they eat for ultratax

but like if chaos wins there is no mo lore so some marines has to win. and if not blue berries then not anyone really. other marines are too specialized

think of them as space police

[near wasp]

I know plenty about the blueberries considering they are my favorite legion

[green loom]

Space Police?

[storm jungle]

Yeah this reads off again as grimdank lore

[green loom]

We're past the 90s

When they were straight up just space police

[near wasp]

[storm jungle]

Literally any other loyalist founding chapter get wins for marketing purposes, its not just Ultras. They mostly pass off on box covers.

[storm jungle]

They are nothing like space police

[green loom]

Everyone gets shitty wins, it's how they sell models

[south meteor]

space ira

irs

[storm jungle]

What

[near wasp]

Not the irs xD

[storm jungle]

Do you like, know any Ultramarine lore that isn't memes

[near wasp]

That the ministratum

[green loom]

Omw to talk about my chapter

Templin videos may just get me back into the lore

[south meteor]

bruh chill like you don't have to take it that seriously I mean if you want to go for it but dang not everyone enjoys 40k the way you do

[near wasp]

[south meteor]

like are you seriously telling me they aren't over the top with all their grim darkness

[green loom]

The Ultras?

[south meteor]

no 40k

blueberries are fine

I do love how roboman is back now and I wanna see what they do with that

[near wasp]

They just asked you if you knew any ultramarine lore that wasnt from memes. They are chill xD

[south meteor]

I did read a bunch of 40k books and lore stuff but I enjoy memes

grimdank over grimdark anyday

[storm jungle]

Uh idk i was making tea

[storm jungle]

I mean you are gonna get corrected when you say stuff wrong

half the chat already was doing that before I even said anything

[near wasp]

Can confirm

[storm jungle]

But yeah grimdank stuff is repetitive and unfunny after it gets retold for the 100th time so

[south meteor]

I dunno

like did 40k did some lore progression

[gloomy citrus]

Tyranids.

[arctic talon]

It’s been doing lore progression since 7th ended

[gloomy citrus]

Lion waking up from his nap.

[arctic talon]

Mostly since GW pulled their heads out their asses

[south meteor]

I also spell roboman cause I can't spell it the way 40k does

[south meteor]

I know nids exist and they ate a forge world and they ork wahed

and like they blew up planets and they canned a guy for it

[arctic talon]

They’re literally on their way to terra in 10th edition lol

And they’re barely being slowed down

[south meteor]

well they are nids

nids in lore is op

[arctic talon]

[gloomy citrus]

At least the Custodes will have something to do.

[arctic talon]

I don’t think you have any idea how major this is lol

This is prolly the closest they’ve made terra be in danger

Historically

[gloomy citrus]

Since Horus?

[arctic talon]

Since the beast

[south meteor]

if the nids eat the big e

[arctic talon]

Which I don’t count

[south meteor]

and the big e respawns

[arctic talon]

For one

[south meteor]

would that happen

[arctic talon]

Terra is gona explode into a new eye of terror

[gloomy citrus]

There isn't anything to eat on the GT.

[arctic talon]

Like

If big E gets off that throne

Terra and the solar system

Blow up into a new eye of terror

[south meteor]

I know

which begs the question is the nids and chaos on good terms?

[arctic talon]

No

Nids hate chaos

[arctic talon]

You can’t eat daemons

[south meteor]

like does chaos looking at it and be like hey them nids are getting pretty close should we do something

[gloomy citrus]

They don't care.

[arctic talon]

^

[gloomy citrus]

The Nids can't enter the immaterium, as far as I know.

[arctic talon]

If terra blows up

That’s a W for chaos

[arctic talon]

They can do it sorta

But it sucks

[near wasp]

My favorite version of roboutes name is Redbull Gasoline

[arctic talon]

Lol

[gloomy citrus]

I do hope that the Lion or someone else whoops the nids.

If Terra falls, its over.

[arctic talon]

For humanity

Yeah

[gloomy citrus]

Well, there's still Ultramar.

[arctic talon]

For everyone else but chaos and orks it turns into a whole new clusterfuck

[gloomy citrus]

But I doubt that GW would let Terra be destroyed. After all, humanity is a popular faction.

[arctic talon]

They won’t

But it’s fun

[storm jungle]

I heard someone call him G-Man and i cannot get over how its the best nickname for him

[gloomy citrus]

Popular faction= $.

[arctic talon]

I love calling him g-man

[storm jungle]

They will when 40k stops making money

[arctic talon]

Or Bobby G

Tbh

[storm jungle]

terra is really not that important

they can write some bullshit for the astronomican

40k is built on lore excuses

[arctic talon]

Tbh

We know alternatives

That have been made

[storm jungle]

Yeah its literally ANYTHING

or just

[arctic talon]

Its just the

Making it again

[storm jungle]

"Big E is a god now and provides warp travel for free"

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

or some shit like that

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[storm jungle]

its not that deep but some people REALLY read into it

[arctic talon]

They could also go with Pharos beacon round 2

[storm jungle]

or that yeah

[gloomy citrus]

Warp travel is free, but there isn't a 100% that you'll survive.

[storm jungle]

Yeah see

pretty much the same as before

[gloomy citrus]

The Webway, on the other hand...

[storm jungle]

[near wasp]

The ducks are free you can just take them

[storm jungle]

I have 100000 ducks in my webway hideout

[south meteor]

wait

but if nids take over the world

[green loom]

Gamers

[south meteor]

everybody and everything is nids

[green loom]

I beseech thee for assistance

[south meteor]

nobody worships chaos

chaos is no more

[near wasp]

Yes my friend

[gloomy citrus]

They will start eating eachother, untill nothing's left.

[south meteor]

so why wouldn't chaos care?

[gloomy citrus]

Only necrons will remain.

[south meteor]

necrons are not chaos though

[green loom]

Should I do front or sideview for this helmet?

[gloomy citrus]

Front.

[south meteor]

if all flesh life goes chaos goes so weak right?

[near wasp]

Front

[green loom]

Aight

[gloomy citrus]

Technically, yes.

[south meteor]

so...wouldn't chaos be like yo them nids got to go

[arctic talon]

I like front

Chaos is against nids

[green loom]

Machines are legendarily susceptible to chaos

[gloomy citrus]

Big E's idea with the Webway was to avoid using the Warp, so that the Chaos Gods can't have food.

[arctic talon]

But they don’t give a shit

About terra falling

They have their own worshipers

[south meteor]

the heresy of my enemy is my friend kinda vibe?

[arctic talon]

No

[south meteor]

I feel like that could happen

[arctic talon]

If chaos shows up

They’re killing everyone

[south meteor]

yeah but chaos would fight nids right

[arctic talon]

Imperium, xenos

Yeah

[gloomy citrus]

The only Chaos faction that doesn't attack everyone it sees are the Thousand Sons.

[south meteor]

true

[gloomy citrus]

Slaaneshi cultists like Fulgrim couldn't be bothered.

[storm jungle]

Okay so

heres the thing people kinda forget

the milky way uhhh

is kinda big?

[near wasp]

Fulgrim will just turn you into coke

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/larrañaga-larrañaga-mapa-map-location-gif-16761397

[gloomy citrus]

Nids are big too.

[gloomy citrus]

Even other traitors hate him.

[storm jungle]

A single hormagaunt is as big as a supernova its true

[south meteor]

yeah but nids eat everything

[storm jungle]

Not really

[south meteor]

they don't eat all biomass?

[storm jungle]

Necrons.

[near wasp]

They eat biomass but that isnt everything

[storm jungle]

That too

[gloomy citrus]

Catachan.

[south meteor]

yeah but machines doesn't chaos though

[storm jungle]

Wat

[crimson kayak]

Machine does chaos indeed

[south meteor]

wait no

[storm jungle]

Vashtorr does machines

Nobody will get this reference

[south meteor]

nevermind

[storm jungle]

[gloomy citrus]

Don't forget the Iron Warriors and the Dark Mechanicum.

[south meteor]

I was wrong

[crimson kayak]

And the gellerpox

[storm jungle]

We eat chaos here sir

[green loom]

Machines are arguably more susceptible to chaos than hoomins

[near wasp]

Even if the galaxy is completely stripped bare, life will re-evolve

[gloomy citrus]

The only biomass that the nids won't consume.

[south meteor]

I was just thinking nids would wipe out humanity and I dunno I was like hey this might be a cool chance for like big e to do smh or not

[arctic talon]

Chaos loves machines lol

[south meteor]

eh

[arctic talon]

They’re easy to exploit

[crimson kayak]

Too busy trying to not be consumed by them

[storm jungle]

Nids arent wiping out any faction

[arctic talon]

Big E is a failed god

[storm jungle]

theres money to be made

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

Just like how the 4th Tyrannic War is gonna go nowhere

yet people are hyped for it

[crimson kayak]

No faction is gonna wipe any faction sadly

[storm jungle]

because consume product

and get excited for next product

[gloomy citrus]

Not even the Tau.

[arctic talon]

I wana see if another forgeworld gets blown up

[near wasp]

I mean its sure to be badass regardless if the story moves forword

[arctic talon]

Tau sell extremely well

[gloomy citrus]

They're just knights for weebs.

[arctic talon]

The only faction that sells badly is harlequins

[crimson kayak]

Also they got a bit bigger lore wise

[arctic talon]

Bcs their minis are uh

A pain go paint

[storm jungle]

How to spot someone that doesn't know anything about Tau

"Something-something weeb"

its either that or communist fish jokes

[arctic talon]

Eldar are more Japanese then tau

[near wasp]

I dislike the tau because i dont like the aesthetic

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

I dont like Tau either but i at least ignore them instead. They are neat but its kinda where it ends for me.

[arctic talon]

It’s very boxy

[gloomy citrus]

Farsight is a chad, though.

[storm jungle]

BRO

WHAT IS IT WITH PEOPLE AND FARSIGHT

EVERYONE IN 40K LIKES HIM

[near wasp]

Exactly

Farsight is cool though

[storm jungle]

im genuinely impressed

[arctic talon]

He’s noble bright

[storm jungle]

Red is also cool

[arctic talon]

He’s genuinely good

[gloomy citrus]

Because he's the Tau Jaghatai?

[storm jungle]

Ehhh i wouldnt know about that

[near wasp]

Hes got a cool sword and isnt afraid to stab you with it

[crimson kayak]

me painting stealth suits like tesla troopers from red alert 3

[storm jungle]

Jaghatai has no character aside from

Mongol

Says one-liner

Made that one gay joke

[green loom]

I despise him

[arctic talon]

He's like the only character in 40k

[storm jungle]

[gloomy citrus]

Which one?

[arctic talon]

thats remotely agreeable with

[storm jungle]

"I hear you do strange things to your men"

which apparently the fandom took as a "haha gay" joke

[gloomy citrus]

To your warriors.

[storm jungle]

because of course lol

[storm jungle]

Same thing

[arctic talon]

its not even a haha gay joke

[storm jungle]

yeah its not

but 40k fandom lol

[arctic talon]

its literally a refrence to Bile's stupid ass experiments

[green loom]

"Humanity are barbarians that must be culled from the galaxy, they have no place in the greater good!" <- Farsight btw

[arctic talon]

which is

or rather

was

very sus

[storm jungle]

hes just like me with this discord fr fr

[arctic talon]

he literally goes back on that statement later

[near wasp]

Thats fair and valid

[arctic talon]

but yeah

he does say that lmao

[storm jungle]

a true gigachad

[green loom]

I hope he goes Khorne

[arctic talon]

but then I could start pulling up all sorts of awful quotes

from IRL figures

[green loom]

It'd genuinely would wor k

[arctic talon]

like Ghandi saying blacks are less then other humans

[green loom]

For Tau plot

[arctic talon]

just saying

[gloomy citrus]

He does have a daemon sword.

[arctic talon]

khorne sword

[near wasp]

I hope he resists choas as long as possible but hes got a long life ahead of him

[gloomy citrus]

Just hope he doesn't turn out like Fulgrim.

[green loom]

I mean I know about that too

[arctic talon]

If someone disagrees with what they've said in the past

then that shows growth

especially in a fictional character

[crimson kayak]

also farsight having an entire planet just for gue'vesa

[arctic talon]

bcs its meant to show growth

[green loom]

Growing Plot armor

Farsight is Phil Kelly's epic OC, moreso than even Shadowsun

Who I somehow prefer now

[arctic talon]

what named character in 40k

[near wasp]

Everybody has plot armor

[arctic talon]

doesn't have plot armor lol

grass is green

[green loom]

I don't think most characters are on farsights level

[celest dome]

Old One Eye

[arctic talon]

lol

[crimson kayak]

Farsight works because he's the leader of his own faction

[arctic talon]

only character to survive being killed by an ultramarine twice

[celest dome]

Any Eldar dudes

Any Daemon

Maybe

[arctic talon]

eldrad has some pretty serious plot armor if we count his psychich bullshit lol

[near wasp]

Luchious also doesnt have plot armor he dies all the time

[green loom]

Yeah his own funny breakaway homebrew faction that is the bestest ever and is betterer than the faction it broke away from

Farsight is just a collection of bad homebrew tropes in a canon series

[arctic talon]

their technology is explicitly worse in universe

too bad that isn't on the tabletop

bcs GW are cowards

[crimson kayak]

I mean, most people also forget it's like, literally a couple systems at best?

[arctic talon]

its literally one system

lol

in terms of actual occupied space

with people living in it

he's less then a speck

[crimson kayak]

Uh, thought it got bigger after all this time

[green loom]

And yet still, too much

[near wasp]

Didnt eldrad shit his pants because a culexus was on its way

[arctic talon]

yeah because its a blank lol

he doesn't like blanks

[celest dome]

Weaponised Blank

[crimson kayak]

When all you can do is magic someone anti magic is gonna shit your pants

[arctic talon]

He also isn't a dumbass

[green loom]

It's a super blank

[arctic talon]

which is smart

like

if something is coming

[celest dome]

Is Silver the blank still here ?

[arctic talon]

that is specifically designed to kick your ass

you'd prolly just leave

no

[green loom]

It's probably the most threatening thing the imperials have to the bigger psykers

Save sisters of silence

[arctic talon]

Eldrad has the biggest strength of any 40k character

common sense

[near wasp]

That means hes prolly gonna die soon sadly

[arctic talon]

like if he's outmatched he'll cut his losses and fuck off

he's been alive since 3e

they killed him in 5e then retconned his death

[green loom]

He's so old he's mostly crystal

[arctic talon]

I don't think hes dying anytime soon

[near wasp]

Damn thats an old ass man

[arctic talon]

he's got way less crystal in his body then he should

for how old he is

which is considered an oddity

but no ones questioned it in universe really

[storm jungle]

Hes also been around since 30k

thats 10+ Millennia

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-cute-math-formulas-gif-17580986

[near wasp]

Eldrad and vect are the same age right

[south meteor]

thinking of the old ones remind me that there is still old one flesh floating around

just absolutely hating everything

[storm jungle]

Vect is INCREDIBLY old

he was an adult around the time of the Fall of the Eldar

so that also puts him roughly around M30

[green loom]

This may have been a mistake

[near wasp]

is that just like a coat of arms

[green loom]

Ye

[near wasp]

i think your being a bit too ambitious and it might leave the final product too busy

focus on the symbolism and meaning of the arms

[thick cedar]

How many volts and amps do our psykers produce when they use surge staff

[near wasp]

Lots

How much voltage does it take to arc through air?
For air at standard conditions for temperature and pressure (STP), the voltage needed to arc a 1-metre gap is about 3.4 MV. The intensity of the electric field for this gap is therefore 3.4 MV/m.

[celest dome]

Amp it would depend on the target

[green loom]

It's mostly just to look fancy, after the mantle/veil thing I'm going to add some roses+vines around the arms and then a little parchment with the Chapter name

[celest dome]

1k Volt for 1 meter in normal place iirc

[near wasp]

i just grabbed the first thing i saw on google

i didnt wanna do the math myself

[arctic talon]

Vect is prolly the oldest Eldar we have outside of the phoenix lords

at least

person who's open about their age

[near wasp]

is vect going through any aging or is that all ceased by his torture

[storm jungle]

Yes and Yes

hes the top dog in Commorragh so he has access to the best stuff, including rejuvenation through torture compared to other dark eldar

[arctic talon]

Also he says he used to be a slave

But no one can figure out if he’s truthful about that or not

[storm jungle]

its pretty much true

because uh

he says that shit

but the lore writers have never bothered to do the joker origin thing where he ever lies about his origin again

[arctic talon]

Tbh he does tell the truth sometimes

He just lies way more lol

[winter vessel]

and he's a massive F boy

[keen stratus]

Ok i have a question, to people that actually knows about the lore (cause i dont sorry), why would someone worship nurgle? like, i get the other ones: Magic, war and hornyness, but what does people look for when worshiping nurgle?

Right, thanks

[terse flume]

often it goes, augh i have a plague, ugh this sucks, oh corruption nurgle you can remove my pain sure, oh my god this is amazing i love being free of pain, you were the one who sent the plague in the first place omg thx bestie

[scenic bolt]

there's also been fear of death angles played

[celest cedar]

From the Moebian 6th Dev Blog:

"Long tours result in trauma, both physical and psychological. Some are broken by the experience. Some are made bitter and resentful that the gruelling combat they experience is generally unrecognised back home, because the Imperial Administratum tends to keep all details of the ongoing conflict quiet so as not to generate public alarm. There might be a few news broadcasts about ‘great victories’, but the rest of the turmoil is screened by propaganda."

[storm jungle]

Pretty much all the above. Nurgle might offer to make you content. Dull the pain, let you endure whatever is thrown at you. Let plague and pestilence become allies, let despair win and embrace the inevitability of ruin.

All he requires is that you give up, such an easy thing.

[celest cedar]

Conclusion I got from this is that people who turn to Nurgle often dont have support groups

[storm jungle]

Also its important to remember that it is almost always the Imperium that pushes people to worship chaos.

They are their own self-perpetuating enemy because they treat their own citizen/race like cattles and slaves for the most part, so people seek even a just as worse alternative

[terse flume]

eh, like honestly i'd say worse than that?

like slaves and cattle have some value to someone. the imperium seems to throw life away very casually by comparison

prisoners maybe

[storm jungle]

I mean

thats one way of putting it

just because they have "value" doesnt mean its a good thing

[terse flume]

no but like, you wouldn't let your cattle have a rampant plague run through billions without like, preventing it if you can for purely selfish reasons

[storm jungle]

You would because the Imperium is incompetent

and this literally happens in one lore blurb from the recent chaos codex

so either way chaos always prospers in Imperial society one way or the other

[terse flume]

serfs, that's closer

like that combination of valueless but owing

if you don't go to prison you don't usually go to space, or well there are stupid number of imperial planets but if you're poor and not drafted or pressganged somehow you probably live and die on the same shitty hive or w/e, right

[storm jungle]

You die either way because your life doesn't matter pretty much yes

Unfortunately not a lot of people really comprehend this part of the narrative that much

[terse flume]

not a ton of social mobility

[scenic bolt]

NO BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AGRI WORLDS ARE REALLY NICE BECAUSE OF NATURE /s

[green loom]

Desperation, no choice because the plague got you and you are now a deluded poxwalker trapped in your own body to be tormented for eternity, the promise to be free of it

The promise of power

It's usually not on a whim either

[celest cedar]

Agri worlds and Feudal worlds seem chill

[green loom]

Sometimes when near chaosy stuff you'll be worn down by it across a long while

[celest cedar]

Wait whats the name of worlds whos technology is comparable to our own again?

[green loom]

Agri worlds when they aren't tightly controlled dystopian hellscapes and feudal worlds when the nobility aren't permanently killing each other

[green loom]

Civilized worlds, though "comparable" isn't exactly the right word

[celest cedar]

worlds like Messelina Gloriana seems chill enough for me xd

moon colony with dense forest

we colonizing this forest

[storm jungle]

The entirety of that forest is eventually going to be steamrolled-

Yes

Any imperial world is basically condemned to industrial-death sooner or later because the Imperial warmachine is always hungry.

[green loom]

Astartes recruiting worlds might be the best you can get thh

Even if it's a feral world at least you probably won't die in a factory

probably

[storm jungle]

Yeah the entire deal with them is "its our dont touch it"

gets eaten by nids

[green loom]

Fug

What's the uh

Desert planet

[storm jungle]

Dont ask what happened to the Storm Hawks Chapter

[green loom]

In DoW2

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

[green loom]

That seems relatively chill

[celest cedar]

Get me the fuck out of Graia on Emperor 😭

[scenic bolt]

agriworlds are usually so riddled with pesticides you need hazmats suits, and with that the lifespans are so short they gotta import labor constantly

[celest cedar]

interesting

[green loom]

I need to get Nitro so I can steal dilaras emotes

[storm jungle]

100% they are worth it 🙏

[storm jungle]

Its basically the same issue with industrial farming IRL

people dont realise thats where the author took literal inspiration from

[green loom]

Our world is a nice place, the imperium is just an overblown satire
It's an overblown satire, right?
Right?

[celest cedar]

wait so is Catachan the amazon forest on steroids?

[green loom]

Kinda

[celest cedar]

And hive worlds is.....Kowloon walled city

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

we truly are living in the Warhammer 40000

[winter vessel]

more like the Amazon Forest if it combined with Australia and was not a "forest" but a whole planet

[green loom]

You ever realize that Lotara and the rest of the conqueror crew got wired to the ship homeworld style?

[storm jungle]

more like Pirates of the Carribbean

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-part-of-the-crew-part-of-the-ship-pirates-of-the-caribbean-captain-jack-sparrow-gif-16340359

[green loom]

Yeah but they can move

[storm jungle]

Uhh

minus that one guy

forgot his name, 1 sec

[green loom]

Idk I watched those movies before my age was double digits

[storm jungle]

Man these movies were good

[green loom]

The CGI was scary

[winter vessel]

I still don't know how Liar's Dice was played

[storm jungle]

me neither

what the fuck even are those rules

[green loom]

Almost as scary as Kingdom Hearts' inhumanly good CGI

[keen stratus]

Ah like irl, and when disease, wanting knowledge, violence, or being h*rny hits, you choosed side right?

[storm jungle]

Kinda

chaos basically offers an escape to the desperate people the Imperium oppress

you trade one devil for the other

but sometimes thats all someone needs to kill their "oppressors"

You'd be surprised at the amount of cubicle office workers who won't have violent daydreams of doing something to their boss

[terse flume]

i always really liked the detail that typically if the construction of a hive city didn't completely strip mine the remainder of the planet, unless the hive city still had the long forgotten and mostly broken atmosphere scrubbers and shit just having a hive city on the planet is enough to drown the remainder in polluion and also human shit

[green loom]

It's less being h9rny, more being a long time drug addict who has been mixing consistently more sketchy drug cocktails together to try and hit a new high

[celest cedar]

oh nvm then

[terse flume]

it's like, man we are like that

[keen stratus]

Right, so khorne helps there, and also i think reality should have been already consumed by slaneesh for how h*rny the internet is

[winter vessel]

Frat Parties 24/7

[green loom]

Or a wealthy spire noble who's debauched and gluttonous and has been dipping into cannibalism to feel more satisfied/eat more exotic/forbidden fruits

Typing about slaanesh has gotten two of my messages automodded

[terse flume]

i broadly understand the chaos gods except the secret one, except vaugly in terms of like magic is literal evil

[storm jungle]

Its less about being h*rny more about excess

which can be in many forms

[green loom]

Idk the ratio of cults that revolve around tearing your spine out while violating you is relatively low in our world

[storm jungle]

Heres a GW designer sheet on it

[winter vessel]

Would the six circles of Seduction be an example of it?

[green loom]

The what

[green loom]

I figured this out mostly independently
I'm firmly Slaanesh/Khorne gang by now

[keen stratus]

I mean, they have to keep everything pg13 so..... still, thanks for your time and sorry ofr the inconvenience

[green loom]

Oh they can

Mostly

Slaanesh models tend to just be fancier
Or fat

[keen stratus]

What does people wants when worshipping Tzeentch? knowledge?

[green loom]

Change

Schemes

[keen stratus]

Ive seen the fan made ones

[terse flume]

the other gods have this kind of seven deadly sins thing going and i have no idea what tzeentch is trying to represent

[winter vessel]

I've seen a version for the nurgle one having bug like wings

[green loom]

Tzeentch worshippers tend to weave intricate schemes that may or may not blow up in their face before they're ready, but that's also part of the game for them along with a LOT of treason

[terse flume]

betrayl?

[green loom]

Birds, scrying, and a fuck ton of randomness since tzeentch is incredibly fickle

[keen stratus]

So fans of Queens gambith right?

[terse flume]

i'm trying to kind of bind this to a human emotion

[green loom]

What's that

[terse flume]

i don't really feel like schemes are an emotion

[keen stratus]

a series

right, so they want complexity, makes sense

[winter vessel]

pride maybe?

[green loom]

You've lived in a building for a few weeks, something you initially placed is beginning to bother you, so you move it

[storm jungle]

They dont really have them

Slaanesh has all the 7 deadly sins tho

[terse flume]

paranoid delusions?

[storm jungle]

its realm literally has them as walls around its palace

[green loom]

That's a side effect

[terse flume]

well khorne is very wrath

prolly timeshares

[green loom]

Tzeentch can't sit still, he needs change

It's a lot of energy

[storm jungle]

I mean wrath, gluttony etc are very easy to assign to anything

[terse flume]

disordered thinking

[storm jungle]

its super basic human emotions

[green loom]

Ergo, he and his worshippers are very fickle

[keen stratus]

The main one being HORNEEE

[storm jungle]

Its not

[green loom]

Main one is actually torture and gluttony

[storm jungle]

That yes lmao

Slaanesh has never been about sex

[keen stratus]

(sorry, the internet turned me down for bad)

[storm jungle]

its inspiration is literally torture-hedonism

[green loom]

Well it's about pleasure but the deed is particularly mundane for them

[celest cedar]

Unofficial brand

[terse flume]

i am trying not to name like mental illnesses cause that feels gross somehow but like, delusional thinking. paranoia.

[green loom]

They want extremes, not bedding your wife

Inevitably will develop for most tzeentch worshippers, yes

[storm jungle]

Like

Sex usually is the start of it?

[terse flume]

anxiety?

[storm jungle]

but it gets very boring REAL quick

[celest cedar]

Then it devolves more and more

[storm jungle]

Its when it drops to literal bodily mutilation and stuff that the corruption truly begings

you can look at the Age of Sigmar slaanesh models and see it very clearly

its why i love em

[green loom]

I can't describe it beyond literally just, change
Malcontent? Maybe?

[storm jungle]

its just Change.

nothing else

[green loom]

It can start as like

"I don't like my lot in life, I have a scheme in mind to improve my situation"

[terse flume]

right but they're all supposed to be avatars of and born from sentient emotion i thought even if it's not 1:1

[green loom]

They aren't

[storm jungle]

^

[green loom]

They're more like

[green loom]

Literal concepts

Khorne isn't the god of blood because his followers kill a lot, he's literally the god of blood
The shedding of blood fuels him, not war

[scenic bolt]

Both khorne and slaanesh love martial prowess, but whereas khorne treats kills like an all you can eat buffet chiefly concerned with volume, slaanesh treats em more like high cuisine where the kills must be tasteful and skillfully executed

[storm jungle]

This.

[green loom]

Slaanesh isn't the god of XYZ, it's the god of excess
You can do literally anything, as long as you're some obsessed freak doing awful things that get worse and worse, you're doing excess

[storm jungle]

Also yeah that

but its a lot more evil acts that give them the most power

the chaos gods are actively malicious beings

they arent "eldritch" or forces of nature

they are evil because thats what they are

[green loom]

Yeah even if you start out as like

"I can make this cake fancier by adding a little frosting"

You WILL devolve to
"I can skin the neighbour and add his bones as decorations"

[storm jungle]

Yeah by the time the corruption is done that cake is made from human skin and harvested tears of women's tears and blood or some shit like that

[green loom]

I think uhh

Slaves to Darkness describes it?

[storm jungle]

Yep

[green loom]

The author's afterword

[keen stratus]

So Khorne worshippers just want to see the world burn?

[green loom]

If you weren't bad to begin with, it will drag you down

And by the end you'll just be some horrible abomination

[green loom]

Usually yeah

[celest cedar]

speaking of chaos gods

[storm jungle]

As long as it involves killing people

[green loom]

Like don't get me wrong, there's massive flavour for new chaos worshippers

But the thing with chaos is that it can't foster culture or growth

It actively devolves you

[storm jungle]

Yeah chaos is naturally self-destructive

[scenic bolt]

'Oh what'll make this cake more exquisite? Rarer ingredients.' can quickly jump to
'My own flesh is the rarest ingredient of all'

[celest cedar]

Left = Professional
Right = Judge

two different interpretations of "Beloved" in game.

[green loom]

Whatever expansive plans/ideas you had, you'll progressively get more and more single minded as your respective Patron's hold on you grows

[celest cedar]

I like how the Rejects is just as torned between whatt the hell Beloved is

[storm jungle]

Honestly its hard to tell

[celest cedar]

People keep saying Beloved is some Tzeentch trick or something

[storm jungle]

because the "thing" is actively helping them

[celest cedar]

and the other half its Emperor

[green loom]

Most of us would probably react the same, I mean how many of us would take someone seriously if they randomly rambled to God in the street?

[storm jungle]

so it might be an unalligned daemon just being a lad

or actually the Emperor

which are both great

[green loom]

Or OR

[celest cedar]

My Beloved guided me

[green loom]

The PSYKER
A group known for being less than stable mentally
Is just fucking insane

Or stir crazy, since loner

[celest cedar]

if were being meta here Beloved is us the player
Which kinda falls into some elaborate Tzeentch trick or something in universe

[storm jungle]

hes basically a Malkavian

nobody will get this reference

[celest cedar]

What Vampire masquerade?

[storm jungle]

YES

👏

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understood-that-reference-look-back-gif-14556485

[storm jungle]

Seer is basically the type of guy to tell us how the game ends

but we dont get it

because he speaks like a fucking sociopath

[green loom]

I'm partial to Toreador

Yes I'm vanilla

[storm jungle]

Who cares

any clan is basic if you let them be that way

they are all unique

Im also biased tho because Toreadors are hot

[celest cedar]

lets say Beloved is an elaborate Tzeentch fuckery

[green loom]

They get a cool coat in the game and are prettier than most of the others

[celest cedar]

whats the end game here xd

[green loom]

Nothing

[storm jungle]

At the moment nothing ye lmao

[green loom]

Daemons can just be assholes

[celest cedar]

seep into the Inquisition's ranks?

[storm jungle]

I mean maybe?

like i said its not actively discouraging him

and is actually helping him out on the missions

[green loom]

Like I said the Psyker might just be batshit

[storm jungle]

^

[celest cedar]

true

[storm jungle]

Its a fun possibility of things

I like to think its Big E because its much funnier

[celest cedar]

Between 24/7 talks of ENFORCERS AND PROTOCOLS
BELOVED
and narcissistic maniac

[storm jungle]

inb4 Seer's "Beloved" is literally a big muscular shaman queen

[celest cedar]

goddammit

[storm jungle]

also Loner is great

love my hero talking about how shit fascism is

[terse flume]

it's the real emperor, and the real emperor is a furry, and i'm sorry but that's canon now

[green loom]

It could be that they're manifesting a second personality that can do things on its own/without the main personality realising, and the random bits of info we get are stuff the seer seered from the warp

[terse flume]

we all have to live in this world, together

[storm jungle]

to be fair

he is a hittite

those mfers had all sorts of anthromorphic myth

[celest cedar]

oh yes Mr. and Ms. Contrarian Carol

[keen stratus]

I AM 100% SURE THAT HENRY CAVILL IS THE EMPEROR IN DISGUISE

[storm jungle]

They only speak the truths damn it

[terse flume]

fuckin everyone does, you can go read about the romans getting up to this shit, bohemian grove, etc etc

ppl just wanna put on animal skins

[storm jungle]

they just really like animals

[celest cedar]

OH IMPERIUM GOOD? How about I tell you IMPERIUM DID THIS

[terse flume]

think it's the hairless ape thing

[storm jungle]

[celest cedar]

Im pretty sure Loner talks shit of the Imperium just to be a contrarian

[storm jungle]

Nah hes a "Loner" for a reason

the says he spent half his life being hunted

[keen stratus]

I mean, at least he isnt as obnoxius as kerillian

[storm jungle]

I had one interaction where he says he used to have a roommate in a hab-block and every time he tried to sleep he would accidentally read the thoughts of how his roommate wants to murder him

[keen stratus]

(at least shes voice by alix wilton reagan)

[storm jungle]

also Kerillian is fine

if she wasnt an elf people wouldnt care

lol

[celest cedar]

eesh. must've been rough

[green loom]

Ok but

[storm jungle]

AUGHHHH

[keen stratus]

I mean, i know that lesbians and furries are the future of humanity, this confirms it

[green loom]

Hold on I've got another somewhere

[celest cedar]

Loner's kind of a jerk to every class. Even to their fellow Siblings xd

[storm jungle]

Nah they are kind to psykers

minus Seer

"Aw did your imaginary friend stop talking to you? How sad"

gets me every time

[celest cedar]

yeah

[storm jungle]

[celest cedar]

that one

[storm jungle]

honestly id do the same, im evil

[celest cedar]

Loner's a jerk to me 😠

[keen stratus]

Maybe youre an elf

[storm jungle]

Most people don't realise most furries are dentists, scientists, airplane pilots and shit

aka jobs that pay ridiculously well

[green loom]

You have to do something to cope with the hell that is those education systems

[celest cedar]

Theres a Loner vs Loner banter I heard where Female Loner keeps trying to poke Male Loner. I thought "2 antisocial jerks being a jerk towards each other. I love it"

[storm jungle]

Lmao its great

[keen stratus]

Because people is really jealous

[storm jungle]

honestly I love male Loner but female Loner is so good too

she has that like

weird ass awkward girl accent

it works really well

[keen stratus]

What loner are we talking baout?

[green loom]

Have you heard the one about the theorized Neuro surgeon commissioning sonic stuff?

[celest cedar]

yaeh her accent is very strange. some say its slavic?

[storm jungle]

Darktide psyker

[storm jungle]

I THINK so

she definitely drawls like one

[green loom]

It's Spanish

[storm jungle]

its definitely european

[keen stratus]

Can you change your operaries gender? cause i have a male one but if you told me the female one is better then

[green loom]

Imma be honest I actually forgot what she sounds like

But I know it's not Slavic at least

[storm jungle]

Not yet for now

its on the "to do" list for the devs

you are stuck with 5 slots atm

[keen stratus]

Really? shit well, im gonna stay with the male until they add it, do you recommend mar or woman zealot?

[celest cedar]

Theres another banter of Loner and Savant where Loner questions the Savant on why the hell he/she upholds the Lex so much. To which Savant answers with this line

awesome

[storm jungle]

Entirely up to what personality you want

[green loom]

Judge is mega based

[storm jungle]

Judge is SUPER fucking good

[green loom]

If you want to feel like either Judge Dredd or old Kratos

[storm jungle]

i had an interaction today, 1 sec

[terse flume]

male agitator if you want the biggest asshole of them all, and you should

[keen stratus]

Judge is the man zealot?

[storm jungle]

Yes

[keen stratus]

ok, ill do that

[terse flume]

all the names except ogryn have both female and male versions

[storm jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/770269465572278283/1113919532730433576/image.png?width=705&height=84

And the judge replies with this:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/770269465572278283/1113919569782906900/image.png?width=705&height=116

[terse flume]

so there's masc and femm judge, masc and femm agitator, etc

[arctic talon]

The judge is prolly the most based of the zealots

[keen stratus]

OH SHIT ITS BASED

[arctic talon]

Mostly since they aren’t an absolute piece of shit

[green loom]

Judge is quite based

[terse flume]

the agitators are awful, which is why i love them. for sure the least tolerable like, people to go on a mission with, even if i love them

[storm jungle]

Judge is very kind and very mean when the situation demands it

[green loom]

VA is also based and streams

[green loom]

You could say he judges the situation

[arctic talon]

The agitator is just a piece of shit lol which is great

[storm jungle]

yeah Judge and Professional are literally the only VAs that interact with the community at all sadly

[arctic talon]

They completely fit

The like

[terse flume]

the agitator says "slab" and "freak" in a way that when i started playing for ages i thought they were in universe slurs, lol

[arctic talon]

Personality

Of a preacher

[green loom]

I'm pretty sure the Male Loner guy is actually insane so maybe we're lucky

[storm jungle]

lmao

also Judge is uh

very john brown

fucking unhinged but righteous as FUCK

[green loom]

Also lol at that zealot being Father Elijah

[celest cedar]

I kinda want to hear more of Female Agitator.

Shes basically a Thalmor High Elf xd

[arctic talon]

Judge is unhinged

I love the judge

[celest cedar]

bitchy. haughty. thinks highly of themselves

[green loom]

What, a full on Nazi?

[celest cedar]

YES

[terse flume]

he's decent but heavily indoctrinated, and when he sees the seams in the propaganda he usually is decent about it. agitator thinks the propaganda doesn't go far enough and makes up more racist stuff. they are not the same

[arctic talon]

My brother in Christ they burned down a hab block

[terse flume]

the male agitator is very lovecraft i'd say

[scenic bolt]

female agitator is up there in the rarest voices encountered

[storm jungle]

I named him after Evliyah Çelebi which is a turkish explorer, I just realised his name sounds VERY cool spelled in english

[celest cedar]

Shes racist, xenophobic, hateful, is one bad day away from purging the team's Psykers and Ogryns

[storm jungle]

Oh man shes SO FUCKING RARE

I NEVER almost hear anyone play her

its an absolute shame

[arctic talon]

It’s a great voice

[terse flume]

her voice sounds like mrs bucket from upstairs downstairs

[arctic talon]

Unfortunately

[terse flume]

which is legit fuckin perfect

[arctic talon]

Judge and fanatic exist

[celest cedar]

Mainly because Agitators is just the most horrible personality in the game xd

[arctic talon]

And they’re way more

Insane

[celest cedar]

I love it

[storm jungle]

yeah like

I tried Agitator and Fanatic

then i realised

[scenic bolt]

95% chance you get a male vet professional in every game

[storm jungle]

i dont really like religious people

instant swap to Judge

[arctic talon]

Agitator absolutely fits the like

Religious psychopath

[storm jungle]

Yeah

[scenic bolt]

40% chance you get 2 male vet professionals

[arctic talon]

While Zealot is just

Psychopath

[keen stratus]

So do you recommend agitator or judge?

[arctic talon]

Hiding it with religion

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-turkiye-kaan-ozdil-car-gif-19334563

[storm jungle]

Agitator for comedy Judge for badassery

[arctic talon]

Imo judge if you want bat man but way more evil

[green loom]

Whatever the next archetype is

[keen stratus]

I already have my psyker for the funny, so im going judge

[arctic talon]

Agitator perfectly fits

[terse flume]

well you learn they're layered because they're poor people mimicing their perceived betters. like, neither of them can speak high gothic it's just an affect. which i think informs some of their behaviour cause they feel they need to be the MOST imperial, the most awful, the most like what they perceive their social superiors to behave like

[celest cedar]

Agitator practiced self flagellancy. And is quite Sadistic. Im pretty sure Agittaor is a sadomasochist xd

[green loom]

I will make a new character and call it Josip-Broz-Tito

[terse flume]

which is v true to life and i adore

[arctic talon]

The Judge is the only zealot that knows high gothic

[terse flume]

100%

[arctic talon]

This really says a lot about society

[storm jungle]

judge also flagelates himself during warp travel

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[green loom]

They're religious, are we really surprised?

[arctic talon]

The zealots are just weird lol

[arctic talon]

No

[green loom]

Yeah that's why they're called Zealots and not priests or crusaders

[celest cedar]

They are compensating for something in their life

And I love how Loner just absolutely schooled Agitator on their High Gothic

[arctic talon]

Priests are also insane in 40k tbf

[terse flume]

i also think the male agitator has a like, kind of sexual tone to some of his descriptions of the big e, in a kind of saint sebastiany way? like he really likes being a servant of the emperor. and i mean we all like it but he likes it

[arctic talon]

There’s a “reasonable” priest in bsf

Thadius

[green loom]

Yeah but they're given officially leave to be insane, the zealots are rogue elements

[arctic talon]

And he’s batshit insane

[keen stratus]

Is someone sane on 40k?

[arctic talon]

Also my favorite piece of art

Is him standing on a box

[celest cedar]

Best way to keep the demonic and demon stuff away

[arctic talon]

Arguing with an eldar ranger

[green loom]

Bro the

Flamer lady

From bsf

Is in unification mod

[storm jungle]

Bro my guy is gonna sing Hellfire in private

https://tenor.com/view/esmeralda-hell-fire-gif-13357890

[keen stratus]

DARKEST DUNGEON REFERENCE?

[green loom]

And it's literally just a latex gimp suit with a flamethrower

It's SO cringe

[keen stratus]

That flame is hot ngl

[storm jungle]

the dawn of war mods for female models are super bad yeah

its literally all mid 2000's era cringe latex shit

[green loom]

Unification uses assets from like, Guild Wars 2 and Heroes of the Swarm lmfao

[celest cedar]

I like how with every class except the Zealot. the "jerk" personality is still more commonly heard than the Agitators

[keen stratus]

what is bsf?

[scenic bolt]

Had a fun interaction with the ogryn bully and male loner psyker (both voiced by the same actor) where the ogryn kept using the word antidiluvian to describe himself and the psyker getting increasingly annoyed at its improper usage

[arctic talon]

Wait she has armor tho

[green loom]

Blackstone fortress

[keen stratus]

thanks

[green loom]

The mod creator disagrees

[arctic talon]

Or are we talking about

A dif character

[green loom]

Pious Vorne

Same character

[arctic talon]

She is literally the heaviest armored person in the party

[green loom]

But the mod creator is

[arctic talon]

[green loom]

Kind of stupid

[arctic talon]

Aside from the eldar

[green loom]

And weirf

[arctic talon]

But she doesn’t count

Eldar armor is better then the weird flak carapace hybrid she’s wearing

[green loom]

Lemme see if I have an image

[storm jungle]

they also had a slaanesh faction mod

which is just

"Sex sex sex"

and its so bad

lmao

[keen stratus]

AH, thats why i haved this image of slaneesh based on sex, thats why i was confused

i probably saw those images

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Oh god that faction is

So bad

[arctic talon]

Oh god why does she have hair

She’s also not even a sister of battle

[keen stratus]

Like i saw this and the assumed stuff

[arctic talon]

She’s literally some random underhiver

That saved Taddeus’s life

[storm jungle]

My brother in christ

SHES LITERALLY

[arctic talon]

And started following the imperial creed super heavily

[storm jungle]

DIGGING HER FINGERS

INTO HIS HEAD SKIN

[keen stratus]

Yes, but the internet is a weird place

[celest cedar]

Some idiot be like: I wish that was me

[keen stratus]

and confussion hits me like the empire

[storm jungle]

Im gonna hit you with a thunder hammer in a minute

[terse flume]

and tounge

got backward tounge splines like a cat

[green loom]

Here's some examples

[keen stratus]

Dont waste your time, ill do it myself

you have better stuff to do

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats the one

they are also like

super badly textured

and look janky as shit

OH MY GOD THE FIRST ONE

💀

Phone Ad Anime Girl

[keen stratus]

I WANT TO DIE

[green loom]

Noise Primaris Lieutenant(Giorgio Fresh)

[arctic talon]

I found the sob thing

Who the fuck is the mobile game looking ass

Morherfucker

[green loom]

The uh