Sadly, you cant get it as a bound book anymore it appears, or at least its not on amazon
#40k-lore-chat
fervent folio
storm jungle
Sadly, you cant get it as a bound book anymore it appears, or at least its not o...
Yeah its OLD
green loom
Did you not like the exodite 
storm jungle
only thing you can do is buy it from the site as a PDF
storm jungle
Yeah like i said sometimes GW doesnt bother
tawdry escarp
That one guy who just keeps going on about how they are dying race is not great
storm jungle
Gav Thorpe my unbeloved
A guy so infamous the eldar discord server has him as an emote
fervent folio
well, guess I gotta get myself a kindle then
tawdry escarp
Are the Exodite Eldar better off than their Craftworld cousins?
storm jungle
Kinda?
They arent as super advanced and just sit in one planet and chill
Craftworld Eldar are always mobile for the most part
tawdry escarp
There's only one Exodite planet?
storm jungle
No i meant in general 
exodite communities are spread across maiden worlds
which there are as many as the plot demands
summer rover
gav is a perfectly good writer so long as you can keep him out of the elves.
summer rover
he cannot be kept out of the elves. i stuck them into 40k.
fervent folio
Are the exodite eldar also afflicted by the "Slaanesh will eat their souls" thing ?
summer rover
ah, that's just in line with how much GW leadership hates the dark angels.
tawdry escarp
I'm sure there are plenty of people who want to be in the elves. Rimshot
storm jungle
Are the exodite eldar also afflicted by the "Slaanesh will eat their souls" thin...
Yeah but in their case their spirit stones are connected to the Maiden World they are on
like the literal psychic spirit of the planet
so they are protected from Slaanesh by that
fervent folio
Well, thats nifty
tawdry escarp
Are they still protected if they leave the planet?
fervent folio
But that also means, if a maiden world falls to, lets say the imperium, they're royally fucked
storm jungle
Yeah unless other eldar rescue their souls and reach them somewhere safe thats the deal 💀
storm jungle
Are they still protected if they leave the planet?
As long as you have your spirit stone yes
the moment you die your soul goes into that thing
tawdry escarp
Neato
storm jungle
you gotta rely on your mates to get you to safety in an infinity matrix somewhere
fervent folio
But i seem to recall that there is one faction of eldar that left before slaanesh was born and isnt affected by the whole soul eating thing
or am I misremembering ?
green loom
Any of you gamers working on homebrews?
storm jungle
Any of you gamers working on homebrews?
Alas too busy with masters 
green loom
They're mixing up craftworld and dark eldar
tawdry escarp
That's why they are so desperate to wake Ynarri
green loom
Craftworld Eldar fled before the fall
Dark Eldar torture people to stave off slaanesh
storm jungle
Yeah if they cant torture anyone they literally shrivel up and die
tawdry escarp
Ynnari is supposed to be able to protect their souls
green loom
Ynnead
storm jungle
Ynnead* but yes
fervent folio
That was the Eldari nature godess that is held hostage by grandpa nurgle, correct ?
tawdry escarp
Their death god who is supposed to bitch slap Slaneesh
green loom
It's their god of death
fervent folio
well.... shit
storm jungle
Yeah its basically almost like an eldar version of Slaanesh in an ironic way
storm jungle
visual lodge
But i seem to recall that there is one faction of eldar that left before slaanes...
The Harlequins?
green loom
More gods means more factions means less concentrated plot armor means AoS plot progression
fervent folio
There is some intriguing fantheories that the Tyrannids presence in the milky way could awaken another chaos god
green loom
The hivemind is a god in its own right
storm jungle
summer rover
the onyl chaos god they could awaken is the god of plotholes, and tzeentch is already here
storm jungle
Lmao gottem
: Look guys its not shit writing uhhh the Warp did it
: WAOW SUCH GENIUS WRITING GW
fervent folio
I mean, fair
tawdry escarp
Revelation is perpetually(hah) half a step from being a god
fervent folio
Especialy with the shadow in the warp the tyrannids cast
But then again
The tyrannids do infect humans via genestealers
and these genestealer cults rarely manage to bring forth psykers, and the swarm does have psychic creatures themselves
So what would hinder them to straight up awaken something in the warp just by existing ?
storm jungle
There isnt enough of them so no
not every tyranid creature is psychic
they are mindless drones made to take orders
tawdry escarp
Tyranids can leave
storm jungle
tawdry escarp
Don't like em
plush mason
nids are best
storm jungle
average psyker L
green loom
So what would hinder them to straight up awaken something in the warp just by ex...
Being connected to the hivemind
fervent folio
I think Tyrannids are quite interesting
summer rover
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1002461202003271771/1098383039949705266...
tyranid players when you ask them how much time they spent painting their army
fervent folio
Let me cite Ciaphas cain - The Greater good. In Ciaphas's conversation with an astropath on a cruiser in orbit around Fecundia
"The shadow might just be the place a psyker feels most at ease at in the galaxy"
tawdry escarp
Eh, the whole alien race slowly devouring all life in the universe is a bit played out
storm jungle
to be fair
they are literally the Generic Locust Space Bug Race
so its a bit obvious
plush mason
the nids are just zerg x10
storm jungle
A lot of sci-fi also uses the All-consuming Bug Race too
so its not a new concept by any means
fervent folio
Arachnids
I mean, that depends on the variant of nid
Arachnids have 8 legs iirc
Not all tyrannids have 8 appendages
plush mason
the xenomorphs of the alien movies are also bugs
plush mason
I mean, that depends on the variant of nid
i think they mean the bugs from starship troopers
fervent folio
i think they mean the bugs from starship troopers
Ohhhhh
yeah, that would make sense
tawdry escarp
What we need
fervent folio
Is bugspray
tawdry escarp
Is a race of giant space squids that just want to give everyone hugs
fervent folio
lots and lots of bugspray
plush mason
Is a race of giant space squids that just want to give everyone hugs
enslavers
tawdry escarp
Good hugs, not bad hugs
fervent folio
Btw, would gaunts ghosts be comparable to the cain saga ?
visual lodge
Nah, it's enslavers and not hanar.
take it or leave it.
storm jungle
Btw, would gaunts ghosts be comparable to the cain saga ?
Basically
Cain is a lot more comedic
Gaunt's Ghosts is very serious
and much more war focused
Like the moment you read the first few pages you'll notice the difference in tone
tawdry escarp
https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-traitor-of-mars-starship-troopers-gifs-...
The recent Starship Troopers game is a blast
plush mason
The recent Starship Troopers game is a blast
yes it is
im just waiting for horde mode
tawdry escarp
Yeah, that's gonna be gooooood
green loom
Operative gaming
plush mason
Operative gaming
thems rookie numbers
fervent folio
Like the moment you read the first few pages you'll notice the difference in ton...
Is there other books like ciaphas cain in the black library ? I quite enjoy the mix of both serious moments and comedic undertones
storm jungle
Is there other books like ciaphas cain in the black library ? I quite enjoy the ...
Uhhh
you might like the necron books
Comedy isnt something 40k books do a lot sadly
plush mason
Imagine playing Helldivers when this game exists
they announced helldivers 2 recently lol
fervent folio
Had to keep myself from laughing aloud the other day in the bus
Cain went "I'm not easily spooked" to which amberly vail just interceeds with "HA" and then cain continues
fuckin classic
balmy abyss
yeah Ciaphas Cain I really dont take as canon. They are just stories that feel like they were fanfics.
green loom
That's odd since they specifically muddie the actual stories about him
plush mason
didnt Cain join an artillery regiment to avoid direct combat only to end up in a chimera and used as bait?
storm jungle
Yes lmao
green loom
His first deployment
green loom
Things were turning sour
green loom
So he took his command vehicle and booked it
Then completely on accident ran into a flanking maneuver by the enemy
And called artillery behind him as he ran the hell away back to his regiment
Lauded as a hero for foiling the enemy's plan
fervent folio
Basically that
plush mason
so he is the "bumbling fool that somehow ends up saving the day by accident" kind of character?
fervent folio
No
tawdry escarp
He's the poster boy for the phrase, "Better lucky than good."
green loom
He's a coward but not stupid and pretty pragmatic, and he ends up having to be the hero in spite of his best efforts
fervent folio
Guy took on a Hivetyrant in 1v1 combat and won
can't realy call that a bumbling fool
plush mason
He's a coward but not stupid and pretty pragmatic, and he ends up having to be t...
ah
green loom
He's also pretty damn good at his job
plush mason
shocking
visual lodge
aaaaaannnnnnnddddd one of the few commissars that DOESN'T shoot their own men.
green loom
Well he does a few times
fervent folio
LITERALLY what I was about to write
green loom
But as he himself says
plush mason
ofc competent people in the middle ranks are the only reason the imperium hasnt already collapsed
green loom
A good commissar is one that doesn't die heroically while the enemy is a few leagues away
fervent folio
A good commissar is one that doesnt get killed by "friendly fire accidents" too
green loom
That's what I'm insinuating
fervent folio
Which is one of the reasons cain is nice to the troopers
XD
So they dont shoot him in the back
green loom
Commissar Michus dies heroically
The enemy never reached the line
Implies he gets fragged by the regiment
fervent folio
But that also shows his understanding of the guardtroopers
and of humans in general
plush mason
Implies he gets fragged by the regiment
thats what happens when you are an idiot meme lol
fervent folio
he is a master manipulator in a way
fervent folio
true
Though
despite him being as charismatic as he is
He's also untrusting to a degree
In NONE of the ciaphas cain books, he ever just takes others doing something for him as "because they like him"
which amberly elaborates on a lot of times
green loom
He trusts Jurgen and no more is needed 
fervent folio
Best example would be Lord General Syvan
green loom
Everyone deserves a Jurgen
fervent folio
True, Jürgen is a treasure
plush mason
In NONE of the ciaphas cain books, he ever just takes others doing something for...
well then. he is smarter than most people
fervent folio
A treasure with the aroma of week old socks, but a treasure none the less
tawdry escarp
Jurgen the mighty melta man
plush mason
pure bro energy
arctic talon
he does
desert dust
It's kinda funny how you read guant or cain and you think commissars are great and think about the men they are with.
Then every other story they are basically crazy zealots who run suicide missions into underhives
plush mason
he is an icewarrior right?
fervent folio
he is an icewarrior right?
Yep, valhallan
arctic talon
Even after a bath he smells like shit
fervent folio
Even after a bath he smells like shit
Sorry to disagree, but no
plush mason
the ice warriors bathe? thats a joke btw
fervent folio
It is mentioned repeatedly, that despite being a blank, he also has VERY poor body hygiene
arctic talon
but even after a shower he smells like shit
Its both
he has both shit hygine and its how his blank aura is felt
fervent folio
My guess is, at some point he just stopped caring
and him smelling like a rotting carcass gives others a reason to associate their dislike
plush mason
better than being known as a blank
fervent folio
exactly
Though Jürgen himself also has no idea he's a blank
Amberly tried to explain, but he didn't get it
XD
Which is just so Jürgen
its hillarious realy
But he's loyal to cain, to a fault even
Because cain is something like his first real friend
Fuck it, i think im gonna reread, or rather relisten to the cain novels as soon as I finish the greater good
desert dust
Yeah audiobooks of cain are great
blazing oasis
Okay so serious question here. Why is it ALWAYS Nurgle? In every game, every animation, every cut scene the chaos invasion is always Nurgle. When we going to get a Khorne invasion, or Tzeentch? I mean I get why no Slaanesh because these aren't NC-17 games but seriously. Why always Nurgle?
plush mason
Khorne had his time in the spot light back in the early 2000s and Tzeentch/Slaanesh arent as much of a horde style so they are harder to make work in a video game
there will likely be some Tzeentch stuff at some point
blazing oasis
By "Time in the spotlight" do you mean Space Marine and Dawn of war? Where the "Khorne" Faction was either the Alpha Legion or the Black Legion? When we gunna get some daggum World Eaters?
plush mason
By "Time in the spotlight" do you mean Space Marine and Dawn of war? Where the "...
and the og chaos gate
summer rover
tzeentch is too much labor to write for because you have to have The plot TWEEEZT! and slaanesh is hard to do in a way that doesn't anger the censors without pissing off the fans.
nurgle can be written for PG stories, you can't do that with the other three honestly.
plush mason
i think the new rogue trader arpg will feature all 4 of the chaos gods
blazing oasis
tzeentch is too much labor to write for because you have to have *The plot TWEEE...
I mean I get why no Slaanesh. I really do. But Nurgle is getting really stale.
eh, no pun intended
that would be awesome
I mean we get nods to Khorne in Darktide with the armored Ragers
but I wanna fight some blood letters, or have a Juggernaught crush my face.
plush mason
plus you can do Slaanesh without the NSFW stuff
plush mason
which is what i suspect the rogue trader arpg will do
blazing oasis
BTWs Deathguard when?
blazing oasis
ah man
would be an awesome boss
Would also be cool to kind of Drive home how OP the Astartes really are. Because it's not a Deathguard Champion or named character. It's literally just "A legionary" the way we fight A Chaos Spawn
plush mason
thats why they wont be in darktide
summer rover
chaos marines showing up would blow several holes in the plot, and we barely have any to see as it is.
plush mason
^
blazing oasis
theres plot? =p
plush mason
like 5% of one yeah
blazing oasis
😂
summer rover
maybe one day they'll remember to write the rest for us.
plush mason
maybe
blazing oasis
😆 😆
winter vessel
All we got on Darktide lore right now is -Rannick:”are you ready, Zola?” Zola: “Ready!”
Both: “Welcome to our Club! Welcome to our Club! Welcome Reject! Welcome Reject! Welcome Reject! Welcome Reject! Welco-“
Hadron: “SHUT YOUR FLESH-WIT PIE HOLES!”
crystal forum
chaos marines showing up would itself be the plot. there just isn't any at the moment
the only plot we got is pointless shit happening on the inquisitor fleet with no effect whatsoever
i hope the level up cutscenes are temporary filler right now because god damn is the traitor sub plot pointless
celest dome
Wyrmwood is the plot
mystic geyser
Yeah hidden vox recordings would be great
tiny root
so the Lion is sidelined in the upcoming story progression?
"hey btw the Emperor's appointed xeno killer will be hanging out under the bleachers instead of being the QB"
mystic geyser
In his Novel he doesn't really get going with the wider Imperium. Idk if there's a book with a bit more. He's got art fighting Angron.
celest dome
Yeah hidden vox recordings would be great
They did that in VT1, but in VT2 they went with Lohner's journal
plush mason
In his Novel he doesn't really get going with the wider Imperium. Idk if there's...
given how badly Gilliman reacted to it im surprised the lion even tolerates it
and if Russ should ever come back he will most likely end up beheading the Eclissiarch
plush mason
the lion will
idk about Russ
if anything Gilliman will most likely do everything he can to keep Russ on the frontlines as much as possible so he has no time to head to Terra/focus on the shitshow the imperium is
crimson kayak
Assuming they all dont converse with the emperor first
Naaah, they will all see the emperor in one form or another, but they will not all go talk to him on terra
mystic geyser
The Lion in the novel is considerably more chilled out than heresy Lion
crimson kayak
The Lion in the novel is considerably more chilled out than heresy Lion
Sleeping close to 10k years does things to a mf
mystic geyser
Poor boy just needed a nap
crimson kayak
Looking at the new missions and cosmetic blurbs that are not fully botched it does seem like the traitor storyline was much bigger and regarded Tertium as a whole instead of random inquisition Mook 102852
storm jungle
Okay so serious question here. Why is it ALWAYS Nurgle? In every game, every ani...
Nurgle has only been in like 3-4 games
people are legit super overblowing it lol
celest dome
And nothing say that the other Chaos Gods won't be introduced along the Live Service timeline
orchid lark
when I play Darktide, I go in and click on zombieman heads
i dont think about anything else
brave breach
The emperor is a lie and fake
vale shuttle
i really hope no one believes the emperor is real
green loom
Maybe Valrak does
orchid lark
some people go in Lore Chat thinking its the RP chat
celest dome
If someone believing the Emperor is real make them a better person
I'd let them believe it
orchid lark
who is Valrak, keep seeing him on youtube sometimes
you damn well know the only people believing in the emperor even ironically are probably crazy neonazis on twitter or something
parading with their maltese crosses
vale shuttle
some people go in Lore Chat thinking its the RP chat
40k fans and doing cringe RP in random chats
name a more iconic duo
green loom
Valrak is fist fan Numero uno, uses "Oh my Holy Emperor" in sentences, he talks 40k news and lore and used to do games
orchid lark
name a more iconic duo
them and my block fu
green loom
Idek what he does anymore lmao
celest dome
Valrak is fist fan Numero uno, uses "Oh my Holy Emperor" in sentences, he talks ...
Basically Zerokewl but banana flavoured
vale shuttle
y'know ive been a part of many nerd fans and the only one ive seen consistently use the names of the characters like they're God is 40k
orchid lark
adventure time fans used gog a lot
remember that
or is that like my age group of people
vale shuttle
no because ive never seen adventure time
green loom
Glob
vale shuttle
actually ive seen wow superfans do cringe style rp in random chats but they're much much much less frequent than 40k fans
orchid lark
40k doesnt have a mmo for RP chats
also, how would you even really set a setting for an RP chat
this isnt MSRP (scorpio)
vale shuttle
40k doesnt have a mmo for RP chats
im gonna blow your mind when i tell you you can RP in nothing but a text interface
vale shuttle
based
anyway what i mean is that 40k fans will go into a random thread and be like "kill the xenos m filth" but i never really see other fandoms do it
orchid lark
nvm the sites are down, good bye msparp, and charatrp
vale shuttle
except some wow superfans
vale shuttle
I played on Epsilon RP for a while <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
haha i was an active part of WrA until ||something terrible happened||
green loom
WrA=Wyrmrest Accord?
vale shuttle
yep
simple sparrow
I’m on WrA
plush mason
i really hope no one believes the emperor is real
in this day and age, there are likely some that do
take birds aren't real
it was made to mock the crazy conspiracy theories all over the net and has never claimed other wise and yet some people still think its true and that birds are just government drones
austere quarry
it was made to mock the crazy conspiracy theories all over the net and has never...
Lmao
plush mason
yeah its a perfect example of just how dumb people are now a days
austere quarry
Humanity always have their dumb side, you just need to look at history and it's obviously not something new.
plush mason
oh i know
but ever sense the dawn of the internet people have been reverting back to "dark age" levels of dumb
there are many that think the world is flat
something that only the dumb peasants of old thought
austere quarry
No it was for a long time something religion related, peasants probably did not care because they had all of their focuse on surviving, honestly i prefer that than Mr H (small mustach man) kind of dumb.
plush mason
fair
and true
but sadly a world full of dumb people makes a Mr. H 2.0 all the more likely
and makes said 2.0 all the more likely to succeed
austere quarry
History repeat yes, for better and worse.
austere quarry
Yup >.> So what was the prefered food of the emperor ? (I think we have enough talked about history or dumb people)
storm jungle
thats better asked in reddit
plush mason
in 40k? the souls of 1k psykers
austere quarry
thats better asked in reddit
They are going to say bad thing about the emperor so i shall not ask >.>
plush mason
i do wonder what he ate back in the pre-30k period
austere quarry
i do wonder what he ate back in the pre-30k period
Chocolate @O@
orchid lark
Just live off power
plush mason
what did anyone on earth eat back then anyway, from what i know it wasnt exactly a hospitable place
orchid lark
Vegan Meats
austere quarry
He probably loved lasagna >.>
plush mason
lol
austere quarry
Vegan Meats
Malcador meat >.>
storm jungle
They are going to say bad thing about the emperor so i shall not ask >.>
Everything r/40klore does is
- Talk about Primarchs
- Talk about the Emperor was if hes a good written character
storm jungle
orchid lark
Dissecting through layers upon layers of bullshit that is the Emperor
crimson kayak
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
i mean yeah, it's not wrong if it's intended.
orchid lark
Its just a flawed man who disconnected emotion
storm jungle
i mean yeah, it's not wrong if it's intended.
ıts not lmao
at least 20 writers have written the Emperor now, its bad
celest dome
Everything r/40klore does is
I once was told that by someone on 40k that we really hit the end of what we could ask because I asked if there were Living Saint Dogs
orchid lark
On the base level the emperor is okay, but when you just get into the meat of most books
Its just what
Like so he does care
Oh wait this says he doesnt
But this one says he is going to
But on the other hand he isnt anymore
coarse pumice
orchid lark
The utter shittiness of the emperors written character is more Alpha Legion smokescreening than actual Alpha Legion
orchid lark
@storm jungle
I like to believe the emperor almost cared his sons back in 30k writing
green loom
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/400736563811844097/1113066598941610044/...
God there's no way that's not intended
orchid lark
But you never know
Among Us is such a specific way to describe like hiding near us
You literally cant use any other words
orchid lark
Yeah, any progress with knowing ANYTHING about the emps
Is always via Malcador or someone else going like
Naaaaaaaahhhhhhh
But unless
Naaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh
Literally the worst way possible to have a character be told from the viewpoint others
coarse pumice
austere quarry
Yes, probably to keep alot of the Mystery of the emperor of mankind @O@
plush mason
Literally the worst way possible to have a character be told from the viewpoint ...
it pays to not think of the emperor as a character and more as a set piece
storm jungle
Yeah a lot of people dont know this thanks to hearsay
storm jungle
Also
storm jungle
LDFSKLSD IM SORRY
orchid lark
You know that
storm jungle
plush mason
vale shuttle
- Talk about the Emperor was if hes a good written character
the emperor is a great character if you assume everything he does and says is in order for him, personally, to continue getting power and advancing his genocidal fascist goals
green loom
What if Malcador was the real Emps and Emps was just his ideal vision
orchid lark
Nah
vale shuttle
then malcador was just as bad as big e
green loom
I mean he was
orchid lark
No one ever goes i wanna be a decrepit old man
vale shuttle
No one ever goes i wanna be a decrepit old man
||i actually know a character that did do this||
plush mason
What if Malcador was the real Emps and Emps was just his ideal vision
then both would have vanished after Malcador became a pile of dust
plush mason
oh
austere quarry
It feels like a hard thoery to not poke hole into
green loom
Dun dun dun
green loom
It was all just personality disorder
orchid lark
Sorry
austere quarry
Dun dun dun
TA TA
coarse pumice
Malcador as the Emperor fits his previous modus operandi more, and using an alias of ‘the emperor’ who’s him but not
celest dome
Erda should have survived
green loom
And it's weird how Emps only really got along with Malc
orchid lark
Im goijng to Nottingham if erda comes back
plush mason
Im goijng to Nottingham if erda comes back
why?
coarse pumice
GW don’t give a shit about what happens in the novels
green loom
Generally he sees himself as the great martyr, and considers Malc with similar reverence
plush mason
but what does Nottingham have to do with that?
green loom
GW HQ
plush mason
oh
austere quarry
And it's weird how Emps only really got along with Malc
It's like asking why i get along with my best friend.
orchid lark
Why
plush mason
ngl i thought GW was headquartered in London lol
celest dome
Isn't Nothingham in Greater London ?
celest dome
Oh woah, it's real far from London
Near Birmingham 
vale shuttle
And it's weird how Emps only really got along with Malc
no it's not the only people emperor ever liked were people who were unwaveringly loyal and obedient to him
that's why he made the custodes genetically unable to disagree with him
plush mason
Oh woah, it's real far from London
Near Birmingham <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906...
literally north east of it lol
green loom
Yeah but it's only Malc, and Malc sometimes didn't agree
austere quarry
Yeah but it's *only* Malc, and Malc sometimes didn't agree
I don't always agree with my friend >.>
green loom
The guy also never really got along with the other perpetuals, and is way more proactive than they are
orchid lark
There was a group of perpetuals that hung out with the emps
Like Malcador wasnt the only one
They all fucked off because of something
celest dome
Was Malc a Perpetual ?
green loom
Yeah but he was the only one left
austere quarry
Was Malc a Perpetual ?
Yes
vale shuttle
they heard the emperor talking about how he couldn't wait to gun down all the xenos in the streets and they were like "dude what the fuck" and left
plush mason
what ever happened to the rest of the sigilites?
vale shuttle
Yeah but it's *only* Malc, and Malc sometimes didn't agree
that's true, but they never disagreed on anything super important, and when the emperor pushed he would always get his way
austere quarry
they heard the emperor talking about how he couldn't wait to gun down all the xe...
He was just making space for Humanity dominion
celest dome
what ever happened to the rest of the sigilites?
Didn't they end up being the origin of the Inquisition ?
vale shuttle
He was just making space for Humanity dominion
so he was making living space for humanity?
austere quarry
so he was making living space for humanity?
He want to make humanity thrive and not repeat the mistake of the dark age of technology, and he was ready to do anything to accomplish this, even genocide.
celest dome
so he was making living space for humanity?
For his humanity, not for the one that weren't under his boot
vale shuttle
yeah i mean i know the emperor was going around doing genocides that's why i dont like him
hot take: genocide is bad
austere quarry
hot take: genocide is bad
Do you question the emperor >.> ?
vale shuttle
remember what i was saying about weird RP in places where it shouldn't be?
silver pollen
hot take: genocide is bad
Is Rangdan genocide bad?
vale shuttle
i dont know shit about the rangdan genocide, but also im not going to fulfill your theoretical argument where we make up a hypothetical scenario where genocide is good
storm jungle
But not like its a big difference when the Imperium was killing human and alien civilizations that did nothing to them alike
storm jungle
i dont know shit about the rangdan genocide, but also im not going to fulfill yo...
Also this lol
storm jungle
Basically my point is
just because you should kill an evil alien race doesnt mean you should do it to everyone else
silver pollen
just because you should kill an evil alien race doesnt mean you should do it to ...
Except you should. Just in case.
orchid lark
The real plot twist is that everything happened in 40k is because the emperor and erda actually went on holiday
vale shuttle
The real plot twist is that everything happened in 40k is because the emperor an...
they accidentally went on holiday to Space Brazil and were changed forever
orchid lark
It was just a ploy
Like oh no
Rogal dont put me on this throne and lock this door
The seconds door closed he’s off
And went to space cancun
vale shuttle
"damn this galaxy's a shithole now. no idea why. eh, better bounce."
orchid lark
But because the custodes kept watching the “corpse”
The emperor cant actually swap places with it anymore
He wanted to do a jesus trick
And like be like oh look all my evil sons are now redeemed lol
He’s like the old people who only go on cruises now
vale shuttle
the golden throne isnt a life support system it's the greatest VR system ever built
he's been sitting there on Space VRChat and playing Half Life 928
orchid lark
He’s catching up with all the shows he missed
So he was supposed to come back in m.34
But imperial television is just really good too
So he’ll be free by M.43
vale shuttle
imperial television is all about how great he is so he can't NOT watch every single epsiode of every single show made on every single world on the imperium
vale shuttle
yes. there's a version of it on that one paradise world. the women staffing it have bombs in their necks.
vale shuttle
i imagine that it's one of the few businesses that can be found on every world
vale shuttle
thankfully those restauraunts dont exist where i live so ive avoided them forever
maybe by millennium 40 will be rid of them
crimson kayak
god damn i was looking at eldar knights and they just make me want more an exodite army
vale shuttle
space wood elves space wood elves space wood elves
if i was ever gonna do a xenos army it'd be space wood elves
crimson kayak
plush mason
for a second there i thought the big one was flipping us the bird lol
crimson kayak
for a second there i thought the big one was flipping us the bird lol
tbf considering exodites don't live the martial monk lifestyle of the craftworld it would be very much possible for one to do so
plush mason
awesome
the exodites just get better the more i learn about them. there needs to be more stuff on them
crimson kayak
basically they are eldar knight worlds, but they also have a culture much more similar to how it was before the fall of the eldar
vale shuttle
i think exodites are the most likely new army for xenos if they did another new xenos army
HOWEVER that would also require GW acknowledging Eldar which is actually impossible according to the laws of physics
green loom
I need to revisit my Hussar homebrew
plush mason
no. they acknowledge them all the time. just its only when they need a punching bag
vale shuttle
if exodites came out i'd get to have the holy trinity of chaos imerpium xenos
i'd be a true warhammer 40000 gamer
storm jungle
That isnt even a joke
EVERY
SINGLE
EXODITE APPEARANCE IN BOOKS
They always get their asses kicked
Or like, serve as a plot device because the protags need to fetch a mcguffin from their region.
Its actually almost comedic
storm jungle
😩
Im sure exodites will get some minis at some point though
GW knows how to get easy nostalgia bucks
and they had minis in the past, no matter how ugly
vale shuttle
unfortunately i speculate that the most likely new armies are emperor's children and dark mechanicum which means that exodies would be like 3 years away at the very least
sleek wigeon
dark mechanicus would slap
especially if Vashtor ascends, could easily be his first army
crimson kayak
i mean yeah a dedicated cult of the arkifane codex for the dark mech could work
sleek wigeon
I definitely get the feeling vashtor is going to try for iron warriors/iron hands or dark mechanicum should he reach godhood
vale shuttle
i believe that vashtorr is basically trying to gauge the potential popularity of a darkmech faction
thats why he was released
silver pollen
And Iron warriors would tell him to go f*ck himself.
crimson kayak
even through we forget he can't actually ascend fully as that would mean killing off the imperium using "The Weapon"
(and considering you know, it took the whole of arks of omen just to get the key, and he still has to find the lock)
orchid lark
One day
Exodites
Gonna get the exodites before updated warp spiders
Its doubtful, but chaos xenos things would be interesting
vale shuttle
space squirrels space squirrels space squirrels
horde army with a big focus on psychic abilities
vale shuttle
i once read someone suggesting chaos squirrels and it's been stuck in my head for years
i dont know why.
celest dome
Nah Squirrel are Skaven but good
green loom
Why does that sound like it could be a really good ass soundtrack
storm jungle
Because an organ makes anything better
crisp heath
i once read someone suggesting chaos squirrels and it's been stuck in my head f...
The only chaos presence in Blood Bowl is a squirrel named Akhorne
I love Akhorne so much
crimson kayak
The only chaos presence in Blood Bowl is a squirrel named Akhorne
all the chaos teams getting confused in the corner
celest dome
The only chaos presence in Blood Bowl is a squirrel named Akhorne
He isn'T chaos iirc ?
celest dome
Both undivided and God centric
And Skaven, and Beastmen
crimson kayak
I mean, beastmen are like, 3/4 of 90% of chaos teams
Even the standard chaos chosen kit is like 8 beastmen, 4 warriors and 1 minotaur
celest dome
Was it the Greenskin where there was a joke meta where you took as many Goblins with you and just aimed at hurting/killing as many opponent
coarse pumice
Even the standard chaos chosen kit is like 8 beastmen, 4 warriors and 1 minotaur
not a starting team though lol
the players would cost too much for that whole lineup
coarse pumice
Was it the Greenskin where there was a joke meta where you took as many Goblins ...
depends on which edition, but the goblin team was generally one of the worst, the standard orc team was OK and black orcs might be worse than goblins
the meta (or really just top teams) has usually been:
Wood Elves, Lizardmen, Undead, Amazons, Dark Elves
but in the 2020 rules there were some nerfs and it got shaken up
celest dome
I did say joke meta
coarse pumice
depends what's even meant as a joke meta lol
I would say the Halflings are probably the biggest meme team
apparently they managed to do well with a meme build using hired star players
orchid lark
@storm jungle can i have the amogus rannick video again
coarse pumice
I mean, beastmen are like, 3/4 of 90% of chaos teams
to go on from this, for the three chaos teams, indeed beastmen do feature in all of them and are the main linemen in Chaos Chosen (undivided)
coarse pumice
Khorne and Nurgle teams feature beastmen, but they're not the main focus and are kind of more elite/specialist players (Khorngor and Pestigor), where Khorne has marauder berserker linemen (human stats with frenzy and low armour), and nurgle has rotters (basically poxwalkers)
I'd like to add I hate playing against Dwarfs
summer rover
everyone hates playing against dwarfs. they don't have magic or cavalry to speak of so they have to learn defensive plays and everyone hates defensive games.
plush mason
same
green loom
I didn't realize it until now
plush mason
like not even the emperor's champion wears terminator armor afaik
well they do have them
the sword brethren
plush mason
yeah but it looks like the sword brethren are just the personal honor guard of the marshal so they likely dont see much frontline duty
and the only way to show them is to show them along side the marshal leading the given crusade
ok i thought that tts popcast was just using some parody art of Helbrecht
but no
that really is his face
green loom
ok i thought that tts popcast was just using some parody art of Helbrecht
His face on his new model is much the same
The servitor isn't programmed to understand context, he just cleans the sword
storm jungle
plush mason
His face on his new model is much the same <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
dude be looking like Frankenstein
plush mason
His face on his new model is much the same <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
also, the other servitor peeking out from his cloak with the heavy melta lol
green loom
Not advanced enough for targeting computers, but advanced enough for a servitor to calculate exactly where the blade will swing back to get the perfect cleaning swipe on it
plush mason
lol
green loom
plush mason
is the gold paints from citadel just more bronze color than other lines?
or am i just losing my eye for colors
green loom
I think the writer is
plush mason
yeah unless im wrong that armor is bronze
orchid lark
i think it is bronze
like in one short story Dorns armour was a burnished bronze
could just be a tradition for high marshals
plush mason
like in one short story Dorns armour was a burnished bronze
and yet most of his artworks show his armor as a gold color
orchid lark
thats the weird thing about it
plush mason
talk about getting wires crossed
orchid lark
armour is never really described
forgeworld paints him in gold and describes it as auric
plush mason
iirc auric is a shade of bright gold
plush mason
GW just seems to like gold
orchid lark
just three primarchs with gold armour
youd think fulgrim and Horus wouldve had the honour for it too
plush mason
just three primarchs with gold armour
and the emperor, and most of the custodius and many of the sisters of silence and a SOB order and a few SM chapters and some IG leaders
gold is a very common color in 40k
orchid lark
isnt SoS silver
plush mason
some of them
arctic talon
Depends
orchid lark
gold is nice trimming colour
plush mason
imo if you are gona have gold armor at least have silver trimming
orchid lark
i honestly love veteran colour patterns for SM
White, sometimes silver, sometimes gold
just
chefs kiss
green loom
You know what would be based
Leandros showing up as a Captain in SM2
with his own Sidonus and mini Leandros
But the Sidonus stand in is Malum Caedo
orchid lark
if theres more Rahul id take anything
arctic talon
Leandros showing up in general would be cool
he has a stick up his ass but he's an intresting character
orchid lark
or even better, he understands the place Titus was in
and is ashamed to see his former captain
although
we dont know whether Malum Cadeo belongs to auroch digital or to GW
arctic talon
GW
technically
GW loans out the IP to video game companies to use
its why GW can technically make minis or transfer sheets for video game characters
like that one shitty knight mobile game
coarse pumice
It's not as if Mk7 didn't steal the face grille from the Eldar in the first place...
summer rover
that only looks true from the front. from the side it's very different.
terse flume
Saint Gerstahl is an Imperial Saint. It is said that he fell defending the Cadian Gate during the first centuries after the Horus Heresy. Entombed in a Shrine World now named in his honor, a prophecy exists that states that the saint will rise again when the "Eye of Darkness opened for the last time." However during the Third Black Crusade, Abaddon the Despoiler destroyed his remains.[1]
lmao, owned
crimson kayak
we dont know whether Malum Cadeo belongs to auroch digital or to GW
I hope we get Atleast a passing mention of the guy who's name literally means "I Slay Evil"
celest cedar
rose thorn
Due to me needing to quarantine my cats I had to set my room for them so they couldn’t know anything over so all my hobby shit is in the closet
So maybe I’ll actually get the energy to hobby after the 10 days lol
It’s like uhh
When you are deprive your self access to soemrhing
So you can appreciate it more
bronze trellis
You know… I like Darktide’s core gameplay, but man they dropped the story in my eyes. Which is a shame, because there is hints of a great story there in the promotional stuff and voxcasts. I feel like if they implemented the background info like Tertium’s fall to chaos, the history of the Moebian 6th, making the traitor someone our character actually interacted with more, etc, it would be a better game for it
green loom
The traitor is actually Zola
outer wave
You know… I like Darktide’s core gameplay, but man they dropped the story in my ...
I'd wait til the next actual content drop comes up. I could see them continuing the story from there, though whether it actually improves on what we've seen or not we'll just have to see.
bronze trellis
The traitor is actually Zola
Would actually be a really cool twist. Or Ranick could be a traitor too, just for a different faction
green loom
Zola=in charge of rejects
Traitor=reject
Zola didn't trust us despite bogus charges, sole survivor of a firefight with a random knife in a non fatal spot
bronze trellis
Genestealer cult as a DLC enemy faction. Turns out in the second hive city, there is a civil war between the Nurgle cultists and the genestealer cultists, hence why the inquisition is keeping it hush-hush u til they have the time/manpower to deal with it
orchid lark
I often love joking that Darktide is actually just the prequel to Space Marine 2 as well
Just building up the Genestealer infestation into tyranid invasion
The WH40KVGU
bronze trellis
To me, genestealers are more sinister than chaos cults. Chaos cults rise to power much quicker, but they are also a lot showier doing so. They either live or die, and they usually die unless outside assistance comes. When the genestealers rise up, it means things are VERY dire indeed
winter vessel
ya think the prayers the AdMech utter are actually instructions from tech manuals for maintaining machines?
near wasp
Thatd be funny but it also could just be binaric code
orchid lark
wouldnt admech be speaking like a much larger digit language?
instead of binary?
what would it even be in the future
2048bit code or something impossibly crazy
terse flume
well, it would still be binary i think
orchid lark
binary is old, even for us
vale shuttle
ya think the prayers the AdMech utter are actually instructions from tech manua...
i think we have some examples of this and yeah if i recall it's true
near wasp
Yeah but its still the basis of every computer. We program in languages but its still just 1 and 0s
terse flume
right but it's like, as i understand it the physical tools we use for circuits (gates?) can be off or on, so the most foundational level anything is expressed in that on/off dataset
the binary is expressed as 0s and 1s but it's more accurately state 0 and state 1
arctic talon
ya think the prayers the AdMech utter are actually instructions from tech manua...
Some of them are
bronze trellis
orchid lark
Technolingua? Something lingua
plush mason
Techmarines can speak technalingua right
i would assume so
or at least can understand it
because you need special augments to be able to speak it
terse flume
i was curious
George Boole published a paper in 1847 called 'The Mathematical Analysis of Logic' that describes an algebraic system of logic, now known as Boolean algebra. Boole's system was based on binary, a yes-no, on-off approach that consisted of the three most basic operations: AND, OR, and NOT.[13] This system was not put into use until a graduate student from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Claude Shannon, noticed that the Boolean algebra he learned was similar to an electric circuit. In 1937, Shannon wrote his master's thesis, A Symbolic Analysis of Relay and Switching Circuits, which implemented his findings. Shannon's thesis became a starting point for the use of the binary code in practical applications such as computers, electric circuits, and more.[14]
it predates computers by a lot, but was attractive to circuts cause they have that on/off dichotomy
from binary you get bits - The bit is the most basic unit of information in computing and digital communications. The name is a portmanteau of binary digit.[1] The bit represents a logical state with one of two possible values. These values are most commonly represented as either "1" or "0", but other representations such as true/false, yes/no, on/off, or +/− are also widely used.
so: the mechanicum would almost certainly still be using binary on some level, although presumably after thousands of years of incence and insular nonsense they maybe don't understand they're using it, much like i assume they can't actually meaningfully code anymore
could be mistaken
arctic talon
Techmarines can speak technalingua right
they can speak any of the Cant Mechanicus's generally speaking
arctic talon
so: the mechanicum would almost certainly still be using binary on some level, a...
The mechanicus fully understand pretty much all modern science and programming
problem is the stuff thats more advanced then that
plush mason
The mechanicus fully understand pretty much all modern science and programming
yeah but how they understand it is vastly different to how we understand it
arctic talon
also true
terse flume
well do they write it fresh
arctic talon
Sometimes
terse flume
or are they just copying from anchient codebanks that are presuambly as decayed as all other information in the imperium
arctic talon
they know how to program
Cybernetica data smiths beyond using pre programed cards also make new ones
from scratch
depending on the situations they run into
terse flume
are there websites in 40k
arctic talon
Locally yes
orchid lark
yeah, probably just as much as a system local thing
arctic talon
most of the code is borrowed
Thats all programmers
You either borrow code from your self
or from someone else
plush mason
one thing i dont get, how can the warp influence the thought process of the tech priests if their brains are so augmented they barely have any emotions? like how can Tzeetch influence their dreams if they cant dream or dont even need to sleep?
minor ingot
are there websites in 40k
Imagine the vtubing scene during the dark age of technology
terse flume
as i understand it we are several levels of code deep? so even if you are programming that's some language that gets interpreted by the os that gets interpreted by the buh kernel (?) that gets interpreted by the hardware, i'm skipping a bunch of steps but you get me
terse flume
one thing i dont get, how can the warp influence the thought process of the tech...
machines explictly can fall to chaos so cyborgs can too i guess
plush mason
true
vale shuttle
are there websites in 40k
in 40k you can travel across the Imperium and each planet has a different internet
orchid lark
Imagine the vtubing scene during the dark age of technology
imagine even hardcore psyops for it
wow, I sure do love watching Terrax Commi-chan on holy Twitch.[planetary system here]
orchid lark
there is a small layer of cyberpunkiness in 40k that i appreciate
summer rover
chaos internet is still mostly porn and amazon ads.
terse flume
it's like the darknet, but on top of russian benzos you can order like orphan souls
arctic talon
one thing i dont get, how can the warp influence the thought process of the tech...
They still have flesh and technology is easily exploitable by chaos
tech priests can't fully replace their brain
with machinery either
arctic talon
No
the Dragon of mars
isn't a C'tan (probably)
and is arguably even worse for humanity
terse flume
well not all of one, no whole ones exist, but i thought he was a big ol chunk of one
arctic talon
No
plush mason
isn't a C'tan (probably)
what is it then?
arctic talon
it is heavily implied to be something else
its an eldritch abomination
unrelated to the c'tan
terse flume
so it could be chaosy
plush mason
because i thought Tyrzen said it was a shard of the eater of knoweldge that had gotten free due to corrupted containment code in its prison
arctic talon
Nope
the only hard info we have on it
is from the former Guardian of it
which is, it was from space, its very old, it might be entirely unique as a creature, it has brought species into existence before and also wiped them out
terse flume
well, we also know that the ur iron man guy who's like tens of thousands of years once said to the tech priests of mars like, fuckin lmao your omnisaha would hate what you do and hate you, if i recall a youtube someone shared
arctic talon
yeah
terse flume
he might have been fucking with them tho
arctic talon
Ur-025 says they have met the omnissiah
not that earthling corpse
whether he's telling the truth or not
thats up for debate
all the stuff that heavily links the Dragon of Mars to the Void Dragon is from necron lore pre 5e
terse flume
they should do more stuff with robots in the setting, it's the only apocolypse that the setting doesn't seem to have going. necrons kind of suck the oxygen out of the room
minor ingot
Imagine believing a man of iron
minor ingot
They're salty they got rekt
arctic talon
Also Ur-025 is pretty friendly to humans
minor ingot
Jimmy Space protects
terse flume
yeah he's chill
arctic talon
the only reason he kills the tech priests
is because they try scrapping him for parts
for their Kastalan robot
which yeah they had that coming eventually
terse flume
well, the fact that he's decent and not like, rar must kill all humans, and also the squats robots are cool, and the tau have cool robots, kind of implies maybe the age of strife rebellion could have been more layered? but it's not been explored
like maybe the humans mistreated them super badly
since that seems to be 98% of how we interact with the universe
terse flume
the emperor lived through it, presumably the other stupid immortals did too, there are people out there who have at least some understanding of what happened. the league of votan schizmed at around this period too
the uh, necron museum guy, tzan or something. he prolly knows
minor ingot
Knowing BL they're gonna make rhe man of iron rebellion be chaos too
plush mason
no
iirc they showed that while men of iron can fall to chaos most of them didnt
in that book where Ur goes to the blackstone fort
minor ingot
Yeah there's chaos men of iron in a certain dan abnety book
orchid lark
Knowing BL they're gonna make rhe man of iron rebellion be chaos too
wait isnt this actually a thingg tho
minor ingot
Yeah
orchid lark
isnt that what the original titan said
minor ingot
But it's not because they fell to chaos explicitly
It was from a chaos corrupted stc i think
plush mason
yeah the rebellion was not due to chaos
terse flume
i would write them as creatures of order, like modrons or something. always seemed dumb that the imperium had that on lock, while like stifling perfect pig-in-a-cage-on-antibiotics order hasn't really been explored in the setting much
orchid lark
or is the original titan and men of iron rebellion two seperate things
minor ingot
Yeah
Honestly I don't think it was humanity treating them bad either
Humanity in daot were like
terse flume
or my dumbass outsider perspective can't detect it at least
orchid lark
its just Warframe
minor ingot
They didn't even exterminate orks when they could
orchid lark
we sent the robots away and they uh gained the wrong type of sentience
terse flume
we had to kill all of them
plush mason
i seem to recall reading that the "rebellion" was more just a civil war between the men of iron and stone and the humans just got stuck in the middle
terse flume
and like way more throughly than anything else in the setting gets killed
minor ingot
Yeah
orchid lark
arent the men of stone humans?
minor ingot
Cause they wre worse than anything in the current setting
minor ingot
arent the men of stone humans?
I thought they were like androids
plush mason
arent the men of stone humans?
ai controled cyborgs iirc
minor ingot
Like custom design for deep space travel
Nah they're not ai controlled
More like
A new breed of enhanced human
They talk about how they have diminished souls
orchid lark
Men of Stone are artificially created human beings made a by a group of humans called men of gold
minor ingot
So they are baseline human
orchid lark
interesting
minor ingot
Men of gold are just og humans
terse flume
i am tired of these motherfucking elemental men on this motherfucking material plane
plush mason
that is one theory
winter vessel
I'm just waiting for Men of Netherite at this point
minor ingot
They could be
orchid lark
Men and Stone
minor ingot
They could be men of stone that adapted to the galactic core
orchid lark
They could be men of stone that adapted to the galactic core
that would be nice
terse flume
well they have integrated their AIs as like fully equal members of their socieities and also they are the only ais left existant which doesn't imply super nice things imo
minor ingot
But yeah, the only true ai beings were men of iron
orchid lark
heres to hoping someone in BL remembers all of this stuff
ADB could be here right now
lazy man, do your own research
plush mason
lol
orchid lark
some AI bad
terse flume
and like he'd explicitly know! he woulda been there!
orchid lark
the First Legion had a lot of AI for their Ironwing Protocol
minor ingot
and like he'd explicitly know! he woulda been there!
Exactly. The most fucked up thing is that
Like
Let's say the Shaman emperor origin is true
orchid lark
The Lion coming back to the Rock, "oh shit, those kastelans are still here."
minor ingot
Right
plush mason
wasnt it the cult mechanicum that outlawed AI and not the emperor?
arctic talon
despite being on the literal otherside of the galaxy
arctic talon
wasnt it the cult mechanicum that outlawed AI and not the emperor?
Yes
minor ingot
The emperor did what he wanted to do and made humanity enlightened demigods
arctic talon
and the Adeptus Mechanicus/Cult Mechanicus carries that on
terse flume
i usually like conceptualizations of the emperor as either incompetent or malicious
so that appeals to me
orchid lark
Malicious is better
minor ingot
I mean it's not malicious or incompetence
terse flume
well look at the scoreboard it's one of the two
plush mason
and the Adeptus Mechanicus/Cult Mechanicus carries that on
what the actual hell is the difference between those 2? are they just 2 branches of the same thing?
orchid lark
Shortsighted because all he sees the is the future
orchid lark
which is ironic
arctic talon
what the actual hell is the difference between those 2? are they just 2 branches...
Cult mechanicum no longer exists for political reasons
plush mason
ofc
minor ingot
He tried to lead humanity from the shadows, it worked until it didn't
orchid lark
careful, telling Imperium hardcore fans the Emperor is just a Man is a big nono
arctic talon
TLDR the adeptus mechanicus succeeds the cult mechanicum because Halbor Kal is the leader of the Cult mechanicum(technically)
terse flume
it's been not working for longer than it's been working
minor ingot
careful, telling Imperium hardcore fans the Emperor is just a Man is a big nono
I am the hardest hardcore imperium fan there is
arctic talon
despite the fact the Cult Mechanicum pretty much devolved into a 4 way civil war
during the horus heresy
plush mason
TLDR the adeptus mechanicus succeeds the cult mechanicum because Halbor Kal is t...
but what is the difference between them and the modenr cult mechanicus?
minor ingot
The whole point of the emperor being cool is that he is a fallible man
arctic talon
the adeptus mechanicus
orchid lark
I am the hardest hardcore imperium fan there is
arctic talon
is slightly less independent
but they have a seat in the Imperial senate
which makes them have even more power
plush mason
but they have a seat in the Imperial senate
its still funny to me that the imperium has a senate and its only like 4 people
terse flume
also broadly the emperor's stated goal is more or less what the eldar had, a universal spanning empire of psychically awakened enlightened people. this also describes the old ones. in both cases shit went real sour
plush mason
so the 4 high lords and who?
orchid lark
currrently led by one nonhuman technincally
arctic talon
so the 4 high lords and who?
There's more then 4 high lords
plush mason
oh
orchid lark
there are permanent positions
plush mason
ah i see
orchid lark
the rest are off and on
orchid lark
like head of Custodes, and Abbess Sanctorum
minor ingot
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