otherwise im gonna dump most of what I got 
#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
green loom
You can ask here, I'm sure some of us are dumb enough to have near perfect memory of symbols 
grand obsidian
We're basing it on darktide inquisition psyker and zealot so any tips for relevant icons would be nice. Like I know the inquisition has an "I" with a skull, but theres like 10 other "I" symbols
orchid lark
The I is iconic, thanks mr Malcador
you can combine the psyker one with the eagle, for more official like stuff
grand obsidian
the psyker staffs have an I shape with an eye through it on their staff. is that related to Telepathica or is that a coincidence
storm jungle
Yeah thats the telepathica symbol
Anything with an eye in it symbolizes a psychic institution in the Imperium
the ][ + 👁️ is their official sigil
orchid lark
the Telepathica handles the recruitment and training of our special boys and girls
storm jungle
Yeee
orchid lark
i think its safe for Zealots to just have like
the double headed eagle a lot
of course dont accidentally make the nazi one
we wouldnt want to signal the wrong scum now do we
storm jungle
green loom
Killing is my hobby
orchid lark
storm jungle
@grand obsidian Also for the inquisition symbols
Basically the one the game uses is the bottom right one
queen laurel
Killing is my hobby
Least insane dark eldar fan
storm jungle
but anything with an ][ and 3 lines through it counts
storm jungle
so you can get pretty custom
orchid lark
i use the 5th one
storm jungle
https://tenor.com/view/problems-no-peace-gif-21888736
I'll make an ork edit of this later
"I WANT PROBLEMS, ALWAYS"
queen laurel
"I WANT PROBLEMS, ALWAYS"
As an Ork fan i better see this
orchid lark
man, just realised that Delilah has the best aesthetics for like a psyker inquisitor in 40k
god Dishonored 2 is such a fantastic game
green loom
For a second I thought you said Dilara
orchid lark
Dilara wished she was as cool Delilah
storm jungle
man, just realised that Delilah has the best aesthetics for like a psyker inquis...
One of my friends used Delilah as a stand-in for an Inquisitor in one of the games we played lmao, it was that exact portrait i think
orchid lark
She’s aesthetically the BEST looking female character
storm jungle
Honestly almost every Dishonored character is
orchid lark
Hands down no other design tops hers
orchid lark
My ex and her friends almost ruined dishonoured for me
Because i was explaining how the semiotics of the character designs was to reinforce their archetypes and cliches
They just made fun of it
storm jungle
Lmao thats just people not understanding cool shit
orchid lark
I straight up deleted dishonored 1 because of that
storm jungle
damn dude
storm jungle
Dont let people ruin games for you
orchid lark
I had it on ps4 as one of two games that you get upon purchase
Years ago
But uh
I also got bloodborne
And yeah
Played an hour of Dishonored 2
And immediately just focused on bloodborne forever lmao
green loom
I played DS3 and Elden Ring on PC 
orchid lark
AS LONG AS you have the dlc
Bloodborne on its own
Is okay
The DLC is what makes it godly
green loom
I find soulslikes boring
green loom
I enjoyed the boss fights
But
Dying and having to run through everything over and over was a chore
Not even difficult just boring
orchid lark
You can say that again
Im suprised 40k hasnt made like
Dark Souls reference
Or AoS at the very least
Like the bonfire garbo
Abyss Watchers would be a good space marine chapter or Sigmar City
Gdi
A healing church inspired sisters order who venerate sanguinius or something
Instead of fear the old blood
Its “Love the Angel Blood”
Or some bullshit
coarse pumice
Miyazaki was given some award by one of the Games Workshop founders
rose thorn
From 1-10 how dumb would a guard regiment owned by a rich someone who basically plays political toy soldiers with them
green loom
They wouldn't be a guard regiment
rose thorn
They just half hazardously throw them into extremely dangerous situations for fun and glory
orchid lark
a Rogue Trader can "pay" for a regiment, but it has to be like an official thing, like a campaign, but i dont think theyve done personal buys
if theres commissars, that regiment can never be useless, the commissars aint gonna let that happen
crimson kayak
Rogue traders can have personal armies, but that's about it
crimson kayak
like from their homeworlds,
Tbf they could have just bought one from somewhere too
Or well, insert possible reason for integrating a regiment into a fleet
orchid lark
if theyre doing official world finding, border extending, Space marine companies can appear with a rogue trader
i think thats like extra flavour for space marines mostly, get a neat little badge or marking
crimson kayak
That too, but usually it's due to super old bonds between the chapter and Rt dinasty
Like the Marines Errant and such
orchid lark
40k has things for everyone, as I always say
you can more or less, like just
force shit together in the imperium faction
and it would kinda stick
rose thorn
Rogue traders can have personal armies, but that's about it
Ah fair
dense mortar
Stayed tuned folks. I ha e just connected the dots on how the Return of Russ will coincide with Russ assuming the golden throne and becoming Emperor.
More to follow
crimson kayak
Not even Russ wants it
orchid lark
no primachs wants the seat of the imperium
half of them took down despots and tyrants
crimson kayak
Also literally just assuming anyone other than the emperor can light up the throne
orchid lark
the other half of primarchs found unity and council a better way to lead
dense mortar
Also literally just assuming ***anyone*** other than the emperor can light up th...
Don't worry. I will prove why Russ has essentially transcended Primarchs and was transferred the remaining essence of Es life force.
orchid lark
a good alternate universe story with an alternate imperium, is all the primarchs usurping the emperor for a republic
crimson kayak
Don't worry. I will prove why Russ has essentially transcended Primarchs and wa...
The same life force the emperor can't even control due to his soul becoming milions of little pieces?
orchid lark
Also assuming Russ has like no emotional baggage for the dumb shit he did to lead him to run to the warp
dense mortar
The same life force the emperor can't even control due to his soul becoming mili...
There is a reason Russ entered the Warp without warning. All will be revealed in time.
crimson kayak
There is a reason Russ entered the Warp without warning. All will be revealed i...
Half the surviving primarchs are in the warp atm
dense mortar
Half the surviving primarchs are in the warp atm
Yea but Russ went to the bad section of the Warp. The upper 4th quadrant I believe.
crimson kayak
That's actually never said
dense mortar
hes in the eye of terror
Wrong. He communes with Grimgar from. The Warp. This is settled facy
orchid lark
Grimgar
celest dome
Grimgor>Grimgar
orchid lark
Yeah, and Dante definitely talked to Sanguinius
celest dome
Wrong. He communes with Grimgar from. The Warp. This is settled facy
Being in the Eye of Terror basically mean you are in the Warp
orchid lark
at least psychic echos of the primogenitor father makes sense
dense mortar
Dammit. I'm doing this on my phone. This conversation is going to make me pause my rewatch of the 90s best cyberpunk cartoon, Phantom 2040, and go to my computer.
celest dome
If Russ take the place of the Emperor on the throne, at least it would end up better for everyone, as he wouldn't be able to do dumb stuff anymore
crimson kayak
Wait, grimgar? The same guy who thinks his destiny is dying to orks?
celest dome
Maybe, cause Grimgor>Grimgar
orchid lark
also Russ as some sort saviour
copium
next to Rogal, probably the biggest man children of loyalist primarchs
dense mortar
also Russ as some sort saviour
Being a savior will do that
celest dome
Yeah, more likely to wreck some important stuff that he shouldn't have
celest dome
next to Rogal, probably the biggest man children of loyalist primarchs
Dorn is the most stable
orchid lark
Dorn has to be stable
he has a standard he chooses to live up to
thats why he's kinda badass
celest dome
Of all the Primarch its the one that would be the most beneficial to Robute and Lion
orchid lark
I mean to be fair, Roboute does have the Dauntless Few
Rogal, Sang, Ferrus, and Leman
crimson kayak
Also isn't Russ whole point of the travel to find shit that can cure the emperor?
Instead of you know, having to take his place without any of the special psychic stuff?
(as let's remember how Malcador, second most powerful psyker didn't really last long on the throne)
orchid lark
and russ cultivating a kinda anti psyker culture with the space wolves
"nah bro we draw power from fenris, not the warp"
crimson kayak
Also that yeah
crimson kayak
Also also Russ knows the truth of the Primarch's too
crimson kayak
"nah bro we draw power from fenris, not the warp"
The moment SW will realize that fenris spirits are all daemons
crimson kayak
Also also Russ knows the truth of the Primarch's too
And it's literally the driving reason for why he went to search for the Tree of Life to begin with
orchid lark
Russ has some cool moments, but to paint as some gigachad super dee duper hero is not it
none of the primarchs fit that
which is why i find them endearing and cool
I dont want heroes
I want harsh super humans beating the shit out of other thingsg
crimson kayak
Tbf I'm more interested in seeing where they go with Mirror Caliban
orchid lark
prolly leave it at that honestly
crimson kayak
As it's said to not be neither warp or webway
orchid lark
GW is really pushing the humans are making their own source of power angle
kinda like ork WAaagh energy
thing is, its taking a long fucking time
but its not like theyre making it detailed
literally dripping it
to the point its like, should we speculate about it or is it just some random bullshit that has no bearing what so ever
crimson kayak
GW is really pushing the humans are making their own source of power angle
Thing is that dimension is old one made, as it's the home of the watchers in the dark
crimson kayak
Yep
crimson kayak
too many cooks in the kitchen
Especially considering the fact that even part of/a fragment or something of the emperor is there
crimson kayak
too many cooks
Yep, literally the imperium right now is 10 thousand different characters all trying their own overly complicated plan to ""save"" the galaxy
dense mortar
Give then OVERWHELMING evidence that Russ is favorited among Big E's primarchs, it supports my analysis that Russ will either raise the emperor, or assume the emperors role.
orchid lark
what
crimson kayak
Yes, you still didn't talk on how he would do that
dense mortar
Let me paint this picture real quick.
crimson kayak
Wich is you know, the most important part
crimson kayak
Also that yeah
dense mortar
He is clearly the best duelist and most ferocious of the Primarchs (he was sent to kill HORUS but hesitated beacause he didnt want to kill him). Horus even alludes to this.
He also has incredibly diplomatic skills, as seen with Magnus
dense mortar
Lion and Russ fought
orchid lark
Executioner maybe, but not duellist
dense mortar
Russ for all intents and purposes beat him
While "technically" losing
Again, he refused to make a killing blow on a brother primarch, costing him the duel
orchid lark
even then, when it comes to Strongest, thats like vulkan and Ferrus
crimson kayak
Lion and Russ fought
Yes and it was a draw
orchid lark
Also Khan during the heresy had a pretty good win count
dense mortar
Only a draw because Russ kenw he would not kill Lion
orchid lark
As did Lion
crimson kayak
The whole point is that both don't want to actually kill eachother
crimson kayak
Ench why the lion the second time doesn't literally one shot him
dense mortar
Plus, how many untol lives did he save at Prospero?
dense mortar
untold
crimson kayak
Plus, how many untol lives did he save at Prospero?
None?
dense mortar
Lets all be honest, TS was headed for the darkside no matter what
orchid lark
not really
dense mortar
ATLEAST Russ culled the herd before they did
crimson kayak
To the untrained tactician none
To the trained eye that made so the TS joined the herest
Ench why it was a ploy from horus
It's like... Actually stated
dense mortar
To the trained eye that made so the TS joined the herest
They were already on that road
orchid lark
yeah
no they werent
what
just because we know the ending, doesnt mean they did
the fuck
crimson kayak
Literally 3/4 of the traitor primarchs got tricked into heresy
dense mortar
There connection to the chaos tain predates prospero
clearly
and Magnus was on a quest for forbidden knowledge
no matter what
orchid lark
there is chaos taint on Caliban?
dense mortar
they were turning
orchid lark
was Sanguinius supposed to be a traitor?
dense mortar
The Legion was already deeply entwined with the Warp and had embraced psychic abilities to an extent that made them vulnerable to Chaos corruption. This inherent susceptibility to the temptations of Chaos suggests that the seeds of heresy were already present within the Thousand Sons' ranks
crimson kayak
Vulnerahle
dense mortar
Its all very clear
orchid lark
Space Wolves
crimson kayak
Vulnerable
dense mortar
still used psykers
Under strict conditions. And SW do not follow codexes
for the most part
dense mortar
And I want to make a very important point of order
orchid lark
they werent Death Guard who despised psykers bud
crimson kayak
Shamans essentially
Dude, it's literally semantics
They still use the warp
As the spirits of fenris are warp entities
orchid lark
it was just copium
orchid lark
each legion had their own martial culture at that point too
dense mortar
Rune Priests undergo extensive training to learn how to control and direct these psychic energies
orchid lark
like the Hexagrammaton for Dark Angels
dense mortar
I cant think of one that ever turned
orchid lark
Spheres of Combat for Imperial Fists (is that what it was called?)
well, obviously there wouldnt be lore for it, because theres no demand for it outside of making it your guys
and just for you, I'll make my next chaos warband led by a chaos rune priest
if Svane Wulfbad can be canon, so shall Ardyll Redstorm
Blackguard Priest Lord of the uh
Fangs of Wrath
sure
a new chaos warband dropped
ah fuck it, I'll just block you
thats just an easier and good way to live my life
crimson kayak
Rune Priests undergo extensive training to learn how to control and direct these...
Yes, as Psykers do in all chapters
Hell, As each and every single sanctioned Psyker in the imperium does
dense mortar
Btw we do have chaos space wolves
Ah, the Blood Wolves. . . we dont like to speak of them.
crimson kayak
Ah, the Blood Wolves. . . we dont like to speak of them.
Not only the blood wolvea
There's literal members that just switched flag and went red corsair
odd palm
Spheres of Combat for Imperial Fists (is that what it was called?)
Book of five sphere’s?
crimson kayak
Ah, the Blood Wolves. . . we dont like to speak of them.
There's 3 warbanda, the Blood Wolves (old stuff), the Red Wolves and the Skyrar's Dark Wolves
orchid lark
Book of five sphere’s?
is that what its called? i know spheres was a thing
odd palm
Yeah
odd palm
Yeah IF thing
But yeah, no lineage is exponentially more resistant to chaos than another
dense mortar
There's 3 warbanda, the Blood Wolves (old stuff), the Red Wolves and the Skyrar'...
Whoa whoa whoa. There is ZERO firm confirmation that Skyrars Dark Wolves are former space wolves. In fact given the unyielding loyalty programmed into every Space marine, it would be hard for me to believe.
crimson kayak
Whoa whoa whoa. There is ZERO firm confirmation that Skyrars Dark Wolves are fo...
Did you just say programmed loyalty on marines when literally half the legions turned?
And when chapters turn traitor like, once every week now?
minor ingot
I thought I was a loyalist
This guy living in the actual 41st millennium as a fenrisian peasant
crimson kayak
Also "Skyrar's Dark Wolves" known for attacking Fenris and being stopped by the Space Wolves when they do attack elsewhere
It's like saying the Fallen are not Dark Angels come on
minor ingot
Cheap dark angels knock off space wolves
crimson kayak
Lol
minor ingot
It is to me, it's like a puppy posting about how cool dogs are
dense mortar
Also "Skyrar's Dark Wolves" known for attacking Fenris and being stopped by the ...
To be fair, the SW are called to fend off a lot of stuff. The night lords is a good example. I mean hell, if I am running the Imperium I am calling teh SW to every skirmish
absolutely mad lads
orchid lark
im 28 years old, I dont want to remember how I talked like when I was 14
minor ingot
Lol
orchid lark
its not even cringy or entertaining, its just unhelpful
minor ingot
Boys simp for the space wolves
orchid lark
gives a bad rep for it
minor ingot
Men simp for the Emperor the best bad father in the galaxy
orchid lark
when I do like to talk about wolves ffs
crimson kayak
To be fair, the SW are called to fend off a lot of stuff. The night lords is a ...
-First sighted on the Fenrisian Sector
-Can't pronounce their name within SW earshot
-casually encounters exclusively space wolves
-legenda of them being a dishonored great company
Meanwhile the points going against this is...
-The Space Wolves don't want to talk about them
orchid lark
that new Sleep Token album tho huh
also new Royal Blood stuff too
exciting stuff in the british rock scene
minor ingot
when I do like to talk about wolves ffs
In all honesty wolves feel mid because GW can't actually diverge space marines from a base template too much and the viking theme isn't explored hard enough so they're just ice space furries
orchid lark
they got amazing potential, that has been done with, with some of the wolf lords
minor ingot
Like ultramarine or dark angels work as space marine themes better cause the 1 to 1 relation of a Roman legion or Arthurian knights is way easier to put into a space marine chapter
White scars and space wolves have been done dirty
orchid lark
Space Wolves as a whole does
kinda make it hard to fit in like
the grand scheme of the imperium
minor ingot
Yeah
minor ingot
Space wolves and white scars should have been like black templars
orchid lark
no
nah white scars are fine
i think for the most part they work well enough as auxillary forces or hit squads
minor ingot
Huge chapters each with like big raiding party divisions so each one is like a "longship" raiding party in space
dense mortar
Heres what I know gentlepeople. If any of you ever have the unlucky circumstance to find yourself knee deep in Heretic shit with now ammo, the one person your gonna want by yourside is a SW. Everytime.
minor ingot
i think for the most part they work well enough as auxillary forces or hit squad...
I mean I guess but to me that's a thing for not og 20 legions
Like the 20 og legions should be like
Well not 20
You k ow what I mean
The members of the first founding should not feel like a subsequent founding chapter
And white scars/iron hands/raven guard do a lot of the time
Only one that gets a TINY bit kf love is salamanders
Even then not much
Blood Raven get more love than half of the og chapters
orchid lark
to be fair for Raven Guard, theyve always kinda stuck with decentralized leadership
crimson kayak
Heres what I know gentlepeople. If any of you ever have the unlucky circumstanc...
Literally just any marine
orchid lark
strike forces and what not
plush mason
you know. if GW made the table top in line with the lore the SMs wouldnt be a faction. they would just be a high value option within the imperial guard/sisters of battle
orchid lark
that would be kinda cool honestly
plush mason
yeah
orchid lark
but at the same time,
orchid lark
if they force the mixing thing, i think, a lot of things are gonna be like
minor ingot
It's just nominal subservience to the adeptus terra
orchid lark
just not used and taken out
plush mason
But they are their own faction in lote
they are yes but they rarely if ever act alone
minor ingot
Yeah, but in practice they are fighting alone as like deep strike spec ops
So in a tabletop game they would 9 out of 10 times be alone on the field
orchid lark
a space marine captain is technically higher ranked than most Imperial commanders
minor ingot
Yeah lol
orchid lark
so yeah space marines would be alone 70% of the campaign
minor ingot
And even then if not if a space marine talks you listen
orchid lark
the only time someone would see a marine, is like, at HQ and its just the Captain or Lieutenant getting info
minor ingot
Even inquisitiors don't fuck around with marine chapters most of the time
orchid lark
its like ODSTs and normal marines
you know ODST assets are there
but you wont necessarily meet them
and maybe a spartan squad knocking about
and if an entire chapter is there
you know its bad bad
i think as a guardsman
if you hear space marine reinforcements and its like only a company or strikeforce
you can breathe easy
but if its an entire chapter, or a chapters worth of a unified strike force
i dont think youre making it out alive
crimson kayak
but if its an entire chapter, or a chapters worth of a unified strike force
It means you are too busy fighting to even notice their arrival lol
plush mason
^
crimson kayak
Meanwhile minotaurs, deploying exclusively on full strength
plush mason
plus such a massive force of SMs would have likely joined the fleet as it headed to the world in question so most would already know how big this war will be
orchid lark
***Meanwhile minotaurs, deploying exclusively on full strength***
i do that with my space marine chapter lol
Destroyer Pattern Fleet
plush mason
***Meanwhile minotaurs, deploying exclusively on full strength***
ah the benefits of working directly for the high lords of terra
does that chapter still exist after the high lord's idiotic coup attempt?
orchid lark
only time my homebrew main chapter seperated as a fleet, is for devastation of baal
crimson kayak
ah the benefits of working directly for the high lords of terra
Tbf when your job is slapping chapters on their homeworld, full strength being the only strength makes sense, especially considering how defended most chapter homeworlds are
orchid lark
could you imagine how fucking impossible it would be to attack a first founding homeworld as a minotaur
anyone else no problem
but holy worlds?
green loom
They were ready to jump the Phalanx
No guarantee they'd succeed
But they were willing
crimson kayak
but holy worlds?
Tbf you gotta count that they are also the Imperium secret repository of 30k tech
plush mason
could you imagine how fucking impossible it would be to attack a first founding ...
looks at Fenris being invaded by the imperium 3 separate times and winning all 3 lol
orchid lark
imagine landing on deliverance and kiavhar, on raven guard home turf
crimson kayak
looks at Fenris being invaded by the imperium 3 separate times and winning all 3...
Bjorn still screaming to put the weapons the fuck down against the inquisition in the distance during the months of shame
orchid lark
or trying to siege quan zhou on the worst battlefield you can be on Chogoris
yeah lets siege that mountain, whilst we're on flat lands
uneven temple
Huron gave it a good run
orchid lark
or lets land on the outskirts of this shitty prison planet that all raven guard knows the nook and cranny of
minor ingot
Minotaurs don't have first founding plot armor
So they'd lose unless it's a bullied chapter like iron ha ds
orchid lark
what do you mean the dark angels had AI
nah Iron Hands land fortress is mega crazy
10 of them as well
on a shitty planet unstable planet
you cant make firebases on Medusa
minor ingot
Fortresses mean nothing to the BL writer
orchid lark
true
minor ingot
Man I hate BL so much lmao
plush mason
*Bjorn still screaming to put the weapons the fuck down against the inquisition ...
the chapter master of the SW, "of course old one- after i sprint in my terminator armor to the lord inquisitor in charge and behead him"
crimson kayak
Fortresses mean nothing to the BL writer
Personal teleporters are the pot of greed of 40k I swear
orchid lark
you couldnt make firebases on Nocturne or Prometheus either
minor ingot
Lol
orchid lark
so far tyranids fought like what
two homeworlds for first foundings?
Macragge and Baal
minor ingot
Yeah
Lol remember when the chief librarian of the ultramarines 1v1d the goddamn hive mind during maccrage
plush mason
isnt Macragge surrounded by a string of fortress worlds? how did the nids even get there
minor ingot
That was retconned quick
minor ingot
isnt Macragge surrounded by a string of fortress worlds? how did the nids even g...
It's the nids
plush mason
fair point
orchid lark
they dont exit ftl on the manderville points like most warp capable ships do
they do the star wars thing
plush mason
nothing keeps us out for long.. i mean them
orchid lark
where they just super speed onto the planets gravity thing
which is the most coolest way to explain their ftl
like thats just cool
plush mason
where they just super speed onto the planets gravity thing
thats not star wars
crimson kayak
Nids win by the book for the simply reason that they are the only ones acting like the galaxy is in 3 dimensions
insert Hive fleet Leviathan attacking from Below the galactic plane for the millionth time
orchid lark
but space is like an ocean bro
i want eviller tyranids that come from top of the galactic plane
crimson kayak
Wait didn't they already do that once?
plush mason
*insert Hive fleet Leviathan attacking from Below the galactic plane for the mil...
cant wait till the 4th hive fleet one ups that and comes in from the top
minor ingot
Tyranids taking the scenic route lmao
orchid lark
and from there the super event is that the galaxy breaks but the psychic powers of all races makes little pocket galaxies surrounding a big thing in the middle
oh wait
thats just AoS
minor ingot
I can't wait until GW finds 40k sales lacking so before they do an AOS they release a risen emperor model for 1000 quid
crimson kayak
I can't wait until GW finds 40k sales lacking so before they do an AOS they rele...
Now that I think of it is there a sigmar reborn model?
minor ingot
Nah
Sigmar is like a stereotypical dnd God now
At least I think, I don't pay much attention to age of sugmar
crimson kayak
No I meant end times wise
orchid lark
dont think theyve ever done a model of him ever
minor ingot
They keep that behind a glass case that says break in case of emergency
crimson kayak
dont think theyve ever done a model of him ever
Meanwhile valten having 3 different models
minor ingot
They made a nagash model didn't they
crimson kayak
Yep, if I remember right it's also the current aos model
storm jungle
I can't wait until GW finds 40k sales lacking so before they do an AOS they rele...
The sooner the bloated mess that is 40k gets nuked the better
nuking fantasy was also prob the best decision GW ever made
plush mason
im sure 40k will end up just like fantasy was at somepoint. so bloated that they cant make a new edition so they will have to reset it
storm jungle
Its entirely down to the tabletop side of things
so we'll see
40k has had a ton of rules/bloat issues regarding miniature stuff back in the day more than once.
storm jungle
AAAA
celest dome
@crimson kayak neither Valten nor Karl got a Sigmar possessed model, nor rule iird
crimson kayak
Valten has 4 models totsl
crimson kayak
celest dome
4 ? Didn't he have 3 ?
plush mason
when the barbarian multi classes into cleric
storm jungle
oh shit Lil Siggy
coarse pumice
<@151386316775358464> neither Valten nor Karl got a Sigmar possessed model, nor ...
Karl got rules for it, or channeling Ghal Maraz or something
coarse pumice
im sure 40k will end up just like fantasy was at somepoint. so bloated that they...
Fantasy wasn't bloated, just the 8th edition rules were so bad (and encouraged bloated units) they ended up with player exodus. For most of the lifetime of the game, it was the better game and more balanced during most of 6th and 7th until the daemon codex ruined everything
5th and earlier WH and 2nd 40k as contemporaries to each other were such a different beast
though I always maintained that a fixed 2nd edition would be a more flavourful and smooth game than the 3rd edition variants (which did get super bloated, e.g.
2nd edition had a movement stat - it was a value and you could move that much. 3rd edition removed it, but because of the armies in, had to have something to represent different levels of movement so instead of just having a movement stat that was lower for slower and higher for faster, they basically had to have different special rules to represent different values instead of just printing a number and this was just the start of the problems with 3rds paradigm)
arctic talon
10th is prolly gona be the least bloated 40k will be in a while
Even if GW releases supplements the game is much more streamlined then any other edition
plush mason
so no 40k endtimes for a while then
arctic talon
so no 40k endtimes for a while then
40k endtimes isn’t going to happen bcs it’s still by far the most profitable game system GW has ever made
plush mason
true
summer rover
there's going to be so many stupid keywords added that it makes it effectively the most bloated edition. it's gonna be the yugioh style bloat again
storm jungle
so no 40k endtimes for a while then
40k will only get nuked when it stops making money
so its entirely down to GW to screw it up
which hasnt happened yet so we're fine
plush mason
so its entirely down to GW to screw it up
or down to stuff outside of GW's control
ofc in those cases ether it will just the TT that dies and the IP just goes full digital and literary or the whole IP dies as does GW
summer rover
GW will never abandon the minis game, it's in their charter.
plush mason
well if all of hobby gaming dies due to irl problems they wont have a choice
summer rover
it's more like GW will die before 40k does.
arctic talon
there's going to be *so many* stupid keywords added that it makes it effectively...
There’s less keywords then 9e, 8e, 7e and Horus heresy already tbf
Considering the rules got leaked
again
plush mason
lol
arctic talon
TLDR this edition is the least bloated by far
Just in terms of raw rules
Also objective secured doesn’t exist anymore either
Which cuts down on tiles confusion
You just do addition now
storm jungle
it's more like GW will die before 40k does.
This yeah
companies go down
franchises usually dont
arctic talon
Yeah
GW is in no danger of dying for now
Unlike back in 40k 7e lul
The closest GW has come to dying has already passed for now
desert dust
Tbh I think the video games to YT videos are a great entry for all the books and audiobooks.
reef kite
balmy abyss
I got into Warhammer back with the first Dawn of War and a high school friend.
plush mason
it was the 2nd dawn of war for me
i still remember walking thru the video game ales and seeing the cover art
orchid lark
I got into Warhammer back with the first Dawn of War and a high school friend.
Same
Started with Dark crusade
Although the first time ive seen 40k was like
The 2000s
green loom
My first exposure to 40k was Dawn of War 1 in like... 2006
Then in 2015 I managed to find it again
And down the rabbit hole I went
queen laurel
And down the rabbit hole I went
Lmao mine was dark crusade
The image of the war boss silhouette was burned on my mind
After finding it again it was basically just the words you were as beautiful as the day i lost you
queen laurel
Yeah gorgutz silhouette was the one burned on my mind
I guess that explains why i like the orks
green loom
But memories from when you're 3 years old and barely able to speak your own language, let alone a foreign one, aren't particularly reliable
queen laurel
But memories from when you're 3 years old and barely able to speak your own lang...
When i was a lot younger i would always try to play the game on the computer shop and let me tell you my strategy was just to throw gorgutz at the enemy
I just thought he could take on any one
But sometime later opening the game became impossible and i just gave up on playing it
So i just play the other games available in the computer shop
silver pollen
Technically first DoW was the entry point for plenty of people.
Video games are way more accessible than tabletop - prices of the latter make it quite "elitist" hobby.
Sometimes I have a burning suspicion that GW deliberately sabotaged all 40K strategies after DoW so that tabletop has no competitors in its own genre niche.
plush mason
lol
shadow plover
That's a pretty foil hat tier conspiracy
silver pollen
Well, DoW 2 and 3 are hard to explain otherwise.
Okay, 2nd was experiment and sometimes you fuck up when experimenting.
But the 3rd...
shadow plover
GW has very little effect on the game development besides lore
plush mason
3rd was a case of relic just not being the company it use to be
shadow plover
And many people prefer 2nd
shadow plover
True enough, but one can prefer one to another
plush mason
true
frankly if ironlore hadnt died after dow1 2 would have likely been a lot different
crimson kayak
GW has very little effect on the game development besides lore
This tbh
plush mason
i still wonder why they made 2 an ARPG and not an RTS like 1 or 3
shadow plover
I wouldn't go that far calling it an ARPG
coarse pumice
Wasn’t 2 just company of heroes style
scenic bolt
both 1 and 2 were
shadow plover
Yeah instead of base building
plush mason
in campaign and last stand 2 was completely just a tactical ARPG
coarse pumice
1 was more traditional with base building
shadow plover
I don't really agree with that, still very much an RTS with RPG elements poked in
coarse pumice
The 2 campaign wasn’t like the normal game iirc
It was the story mode with your blood raven characters
plush mason
for me the campaign is the normal game and the multiplayer is an addon
scenic bolt
3 was also made fully post THQ bankruptcy, 1 and 2 weren't
plush mason
that too
coarse pumice
While when you skirmish, it was like company rts
plush mason
While when you skirmish, it was like company rts
yeah 2's competitive multiplayer is very company of heroes
shadow plover
The campaign had 3-4 hero units with or without a squad attached to them and you could get extra units to run alongside them. All of which would complete the orders given to them without a need for constant player agency like in an ARPG game would need you constantly controlling your character
scenic bolt
sega at the time was also financially hurting hard at that point in time so they were likely a culprit in pushing the game's direction into something more monetizeable
plush mason
The campaign had 3-4 hero units with or without a squad attached to them and you...
that isnt how 2's campaign worked. the only non squad hero you had was the force commander and the dreadnaught. then the chaos rising dlc added the librarian
all the heroes squad or not had gear and leveling and all of them had to be use manually in terms of using their skills and powers
shadow plover
It was still very different from an ARPG
shadow plover
The most telling thing that differs it from an ARPG is that I didn't despise it unlike every ARPG I've played, I enjoyed DoW2 quite a bit
plush mason
lol
arctic talon
lol
plush mason
imo if its got an isometric camara and gearing its an ARPG, if it has that and squad based tactical combat its a tactical ARPG
the fixed isometric camara is basically the only thing separating an ARPG from a typical RPG
arctic talon
It’s a diet arpg imo
plush mason
yeah
arctic talon
It’s got a ton of elements of ones but it doesn’t fully commit
Except for last stand
For last stand it goes all in lmao
plush mason
yeah
outside of that its a tactical arpg purely due to the squad based combat
and then pvp is the more rts/rpg hybrid
silver pollen
It was the story mode with your blood raven characters
At least, we got Blood Magpies memes out of this...
arctic talon
Lol
plush mason
im fairly sure like half of all the blood ravens memes come purely from dow2
hell them being called magpies comes solely from 2 afaik
plush mason
yeah
crimson kayak
The only blood raven meme's I remember from before dow2 where the trailer-dude scream and Boreale, like... Just boreale in his whole
plush mason
Boreale was a meme even in game lol
crimson kayak
Imo the best meme from Dow will always be the 1000 lost baneblades
orchid lark
boreales speech is something i reference often enough with friends
plush mason
Imo the best meme from Dow will always be the 1000 lost baneblades
it was 100 and they wherent lost just deployed to other planets
still was very funny
crimson kayak
it was 100 and they wherent lost just deployed to other planets
God damn it i keep confusing hundred with thousand
silver pollen
What's the meme with Baneblades?
plush mason
the BANEBLADE! one is from dow2
specifically the space marine campaign of retribution
plush mason
I'm lacking context.
oh in that campaign your lead character is diamides and in the 2nd mission with the baneblade he shouts "IT IS THE BANEBLADE" and the meme is just him yelling that a lot or in out of context ways lol
silver pollen
And what of "lost baneblades"?
plush mason
oh that
i actually havent heard of any memes about it but in dow1 soulstorm when you attack the imperial guard main base there is a cutscene where the lord general and his top commissar are discussing what is going on and the commissar tells the lord general that a full company of baneblades had just been deployed to other fronts which is funny because by that point they dont have any other fronts and are under attack in their main base
silver pollen
Sounds like a fuck up of Administratum who has just happened to send Baneblade company to some other planet.
I'd interpret it this way.
green loom
Or the guardman is just very well connected
silver pollen
Company of Baneblades - how many tanks is that?
They are rare AF after all, Leman Russ being the MBT.
storm jungle
Its basically just a writing hickup
administratum is stupid but they are not that incompetent
any smart person getting that order would stop any of those baneblades from being sent out
shadow plover
If it follows any modern armoured company strengths it would be around 12-15
green loom
You have lots of random weird writing in Dow to justify fights
Like the sisters killing everyone
A single guardsman summoning a traitor warband
Me getting commissioned
storm jungle
^
Its very stupid lol
No sororitas order would get away with wiping out an Astartes Company and Guard regiment across 3-4 planets
green loom
Tbf they didn't, the Orks did
orchid lark
we dont know how the fight went down
silver pollen
any smart person getting that order would stop *any* of those baneblades from be...
Why would the person whose sole job is to send "Cargo A" to "Destination B" even care if the order is correct?
storm jungle
Im talking alternatively
storm jungle
Why would the person whose sole job is to send "Cargo A" to "Destination B" eve...
Because its baneblades
not boxes of guns
silver pollen
No sororitas order would get away with wiping out an Astartes Company and Guard ...
Whoever survives, wasn't traitor. That's simple.
storm jungle
Whoever survives, wasn't traitor. That's simple.
Yeah that excuse doesnt really stand
you do that your reputation will be pretty much sullied
orchid lark
I sure do love killing somebody based on rumours
storm jungle
and no other imperial fighting group will ever lend a hand to you
orchid lark
I am the hero
silver pollen
Because its baneblades
And? Just another cargo from the logistical view.
storm jungle
And? Just another cargo from the logistical view.
Bro
its a fucking baneblade
literal STC tier equipment
even a single baneblade is considered rare in a guard regiment
orchid lark
i think in 30k, Glorianas themselves needed 15% of Mars itself at any given time to be made
imagine demanding a forgeworld or an industrial world being asked to make 10 baneblades
silver pollen
dont baneblades take like
That kinda speaks a lot about state of Imperial tech. Like, this is goddamn tank, not space battleship.
This is grimdark turning grimderp.
orchid lark
imagine the celebration afterwards on an industrial planet too
You are mandated one whole day of hanky pank
green loom
Atoman alloy is good because they throw the bodies of dead menials into the smelter
silver pollen
Atoman alloy is good because they throw the bodies of dead menials into the smel...
But would that work with heretic bodies we have tossed there?
orchid lark
I think lorewise, the material needed to make a Leviathan Dreadnought is like on par with a knight
a lot of intricate parts
green loom
Those would be the same menials
orchid lark
kinda like how it takes a shit load of aluminium to make a jet
silver pollen
Those would be the same menials
Or they may have cursed the holy alloy. Hense we have sabotaged the whole production series of Lemans...
orchid lark
i miss Pacific Rim and Evangelion
and how they described how fucking hard it was make to make a jaeger or a EVA unit
orchid lark
I liked 2 because I saw robots fight robots
green loom
Apart from the main robot having a slur
storm jungle
I liked 2 because I saw robots fight robots
Banning you.
green loom
I liked 2 because I saw robots fight robots
What is it with boyega and bad movies
orchid lark
I didnt go into 2 hoping for a shakespearen film
i WANTED giant robots fighting
AND I got it
storm jungle
What is it with boyega and bad movies
i think its just a case of a shit manager
orchid lark
not even manager, just a bad script
he got shafted for the star wars movie
fuck Kathleen
green loom
Idk i think his manager is fine since he gets him in go big title movies, that just happen to all suck horribly
orchid lark
he would be happy to work with everyone again, but he just wants better scripts
green loom
I'm dreading what will spawn out of Cavill being allowed to do Warhammer stuff
I'm 99% certain it's all a PR stunt
orchid lark
if anything, I think he's smart enough to not do space marine shit
which is dangerous as is
like Space Marine Stories have very little lore cohesion
thats for sure
but the second its out of that space marine sphere
its anything fucking goes
like if you make a necromunda show
is it even 40k?
or just Sci Fi randomness
vernal locust
With enough skulls, anything will be 40k
orchid lark
will Cavill lead a good show, maybe, will it be fantastic? No
but heres the thing
if we dont watch it
or talk about it
we wont ever get anything 40k on the screen for a long time
its like Star Wars hardcore fans
having to go through
endless amounts of EU stuff way back when in forms of books
or even Ewok Adventures
to get the Prequels or games
some things, we just have to go through
green loom
Cavills stuff has always varied from mid to legendary garbage
green loom
Justice League lel
ripe ravine
I don't know how many production credits the guy has, but whether its good or bad kind of seems like it depends on way more than one actor being cast
orchid lark
Justice League Snyder Cut was purrdy good, Ive never watched the Whedon cut
orchid lark
you can only hit homeruns if you step on base
ripe ravine
yeah i'm still in favor of the attempt why not
orchid lark
again, if we like 40k a lot, and I fucking do, I will smile and say thanks to Cavill
I dont want a drought
and GW pussyfooting with the IP
green loom
There are no bad shows in Nottingham
ripe ravine
normally I'd be like idk if 40k can be adapted well but fuck it they made a good dune movie anything's possible
granted the solution to the dune puzzle was "throw money at it"
orchid lark
and have the tech for it
crisp heath
It looks pretty, not a fan of the casting, doesn't capture the essence of Dune for me. Feels hollow.
orchid lark
i mean the most accurate attempt to a dune book to movie would be some lady narrating a documentary
orchid lark
dont tell me youre one of the people who think FLorence Pugh is a bad cast for Irulan
crisp heath
Oh no whenever I think of bad Dune casting I think of Timothy whatever his name is as Paul, especially since they went all in on making him broody
ripe ravine
adaptations don't have to be perfect for me some of the best adaptations I think have altered source material but if a movie's pacing or cast doesn't do it for you that's a subjective thing and it is what it is
orchid lark
ill say this, we should be grateful for Chalamet, if it aint him, it would be the good doctor, asa butterfield, or holland
and hell no to those 3
crisp heath
My take on the Dune movie is that I actually liked some of the characters who weren't Alia or Kynes, and I also wasn't in physical pain at any point in the film
shadow plover
I think Chalamet is great in it
crisp heath
Which means it didn't capture why I like Dune
crisp heath
??
orchid lark
green loom
I liked Oscar as Leto and Gurney
orchid lark
Alia Atreides?
crisp heath
No I'm just saying Alia and Kynes are the only likable people in the entire setting
Duncans aight
If I ever catch myself being enthusiastic (positive) for a character who isn't Alia or Kynes that means I'm going to demand shittier characters, simple as
ripe ravine
Doctor Yueh did nothing wrong
green loom
Me normally: I like the imperium, it looks cool
Me when meeting the average DK fan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJH1Uolu7io&ab_channel=TheWeavers-Topic
orchid lark
What did Donkey Kongs fan do to you
crisp heath
I want a Dune movie that I must suffer through
I must leave the theater purged of joy
The world must be reduced to a morass
It's like how Daggerfall wouldn't be fun if you didn't hate yourself a little more after playing for 5 minutes
ripe ravine
why not just go see Fast X
orchid lark
i gotta watch that
i made myself two years ago watch the fourth film to ninth film in less than 3 days
worst 3 days of my life
ripe ravine
its ok you did it for family
orchid lark
like ill say this confidently
just watch till the 5th film
and like
thats it
its just shittier hotwheels from the 6th film to the ninth film
shadow plover
Haven't watched fast and furious movies after the second one, only the recent Caravan of Garbage episodes on them on YouTube and boy are those movies stupid
orchid lark
I gotta support the series because I have respect for Michelle Rodriguez
shadow plover
And all power to you if you enjoy them
orchid lark
nah, something Rodriguez said years ago stuck with me
she was always the angry latina or the female badass that dies early
the fast and furious films kinda helped her get jobs that werent that
and Vin Diesel is just a goofball
i hope the fast and furious films funnel in money for his Riddick films
plush mason
DoW 2 confirms it I think
it confirms the blood ravens lost iirc
plush mason
no fucking moron will let 15 of those things go somewhere unannounced
its so much worse than 15. it says the company was 100 lol
its was the entire base's baneblade force
orchid lark
Dilara was using 15 as an example,
even 15 would be crazy to lose
hell even 1 is bad
queen laurel
hell even 1 is bad
if you lose the baneblade that was given to your regiment you may as well just shoot yourself in the head
plush mason
btw the imperial guard HQ was on the system's main baneblade production facility. ngl a system with the ability to make 100 baneblades and maintain them seems like something the imperium would never accept losing
storm jungle
its so much worse than 15. it says the company was 100 lol
Jesus christ I FORGOT
💀
THATS EVEN WORSE
100 baneblades is like a horus heresy size engagement
you know, back when these things were plentiful af
shadow plover
A company being a hundred baneblades seems just silly in scale even for warhammer
crimson kayak
wait i think the word "contingent" was used but its still insane
Shipment
crimson kayak
oh shit we got cosmetic lore bits again with the update
oh no wait lol half of them are just REDACTED or literal description of the item in game terms
storm jungle
lmao owned
crimson kayak
also also!
ripe ravine
mfw I don't have clearance for cool lore
crimson kayak
the meatshield cosmetics are apparently part of squad leader
as they are called Veteran Drill Sergeant instead of Veteran Grunt like the old ones
(also also also there's close to no proof reading)
i find it funny also how all vet cosmetics are apparently imperial navy colors
with the duty set even implying we are now part of the Navy
Breacher class confirmed (/s)
crimson kayak
sadly we didn't have enough resources to armor the east
green loom
If they let me I'd apply to proofread for free
At least I'd get some use out of my Linguistics studies 
crimson kayak
If they let me I'd apply to proofread for free
yeah it's really weird
some items even have the wrong description
also we have now lore about another noble house (Barquette) that's a rival of the current governor dinasty (Margrave), wich probably hints at who the "allies inside the hive" are for the heretics in the new missions
fervent folio
Yo, I've got a question if i may
Was it ever referenced what the process of choosing which Psykers get taken into the Astra Telepathica and other Imperial organizations and which ones get fed to the golden throne is?
Like, why does Psyker A become an Astropath or Navigater, while Psyker B gets fed to the throne ?
green loom
I think it's just luck, how stable and how powerful they are
plush mason
^
also navigators arent psykers
they have a different mutation which is a 3rd eye that lets them see the warp
tawdry escarp
Sometimes it's Inquisitorial intervention
plush mason
iirc the black ships have ways to test the psykers imprisoned abord and thats where their fate is determined normally
balmy abyss
they are psykers according to the inquisition since the "warp eye" is considered a psychic ability.
plush mason
yeah buts its also a physical mutation afaik
navigators are one of the few abhumans to have real wealth and power in the imperium because without them their can be no FTL travel
balmy abyss
it is the only psychic ability they will ever possess. It does not exclude them from being defined as psychers.
plush mason
fair
fervent folio
Is there any reference to that process anywhere in 40k lore though ?
I'd like to read up on it, thats why im asking
storm jungle
psykers being chosen you mean?
plush mason
the black ship tests?
balmy abyss
they tend to be bred but if for some rare occasion one is found on say black ship, they are either exterminated quickly or taken to be trained depending on how far along they are and other factors.
fervent folio
Exactly. The process that defines what psyker becomes a member of some imperial institution and which just gets yeeted into the thronebeam
storm jungle
Theres literally like a single astra telepathica book about it
it explains the whole hogwartsian (yes i made that term up sue me) process of it in detail
nothing gets done on black ships though thats confirmed in a Dawn of Fire book
you are just entirely sleep deprived and hit with flashing lights and blaring noises constantly while sitting in your own shit lol
Its incredibly grim
fervent folio
Theres literally like *a single* astra telepathica book about it
And where could a scholar such as myself find access to this knowledge ?
plush mason
oh mb
storm jungle
And where could a scholar such as myself find access to this knowledge ?
Either buying the book or getting it through Other Means™️
storm jungle
Uhh 1 sec
green loom
you are just entirely sleep deprived and hit with flashing lights and blaring no...
Sounds like my experience in education
fervent folio
Because the whole psykers and warptravel aspect of 40k is incredibly interesting if you ask me
plush mason
Sounds like my experience in education
same
storm jungle
Because the whole psykers and warptravel aspect of 40k is incredibly interesting...
oh wow its 6.49
not bad at all
tawdry escarp
If you get chosen to go through the Astra Telepathica and make it through, you get thrown into a group of Wyrdvane Psykers. If you manage to survive deployment, you get a shiny Primaris sticker star
fervent folio
not bad at all
Thanks ^^
plush mason
Because the whole psykers and warptravel aspect of 40k is incredibly interesting...
i love the fact that the navigators just grabbed the imperium by the balls and said "you fools will respect us and give our houses money worlds and power or there will be no warp travel for you"
fervent folio
true
What would also interest me, is how the whole relation of the materium and the immaterium works
I mean, i know there are gellar fields that produce a bubble of realspace that protects ships from the warp
green loom
The warp is, literally, a "sea" of souls
storm jungle
Yeah its literally just that
fervent folio
But, how exactly does the warp influence something that isnt protected by such a field
storm jungle
A lot
fervent folio
and are there planets in the warp
storm jungle
Yes
fervent folio
And if so, how does "matter" behave in the warp
green loom
It's not physicality, it's abstract concepts without form ever shifting in an ocean of emotion that may not exist
storm jungle
it defies physical laws
and yeah that
Its literally a sea of souls as Ederius said, this flexibility helps with the writers writing whatever the fuck they want in it
green loom
Does it make sense? No
That's why, generally, you go insane when exposed to it straight up
tawdry escarp
If something from the Materium is there, it's place is being maintained by something powerful
storm jungle
But thats the general gist of it
fervent folio
If something from the Materium is there, it's place is being maintained by somet...
So basically like the one planet where an ork wagh keeps fighting daemons because Khorne thinks its funny ?
tawdry escarp
Yes
green loom
I think the realms of each god are more "physical" in a sense wed understand
storm jungle
Also that too lol
storm jungle
fervent folio
I am fairly certain though that I've read about when the cicatrix maledictum spread, that some planets got straight up plumetted into the warp
summer rover
khorne seems like the type to have a skull-draped laz-e-boi and call it his throne.
plush mason
not even time exists in the warp. a fleet can set off from port and arrive at their destination years before they ever left
fervent folio
and that chaos straight up DID that to some other worlds
summer rover
it usually spits it back out. eventually.
fervent folio
it usually spits it back out. eventually.
Like the spacehulks for example I take it
summer rover
nah, those are because the old warp drives sometimes malfunctioned.
green loom
When the veil thins reality gets all fucky, it's still there but daemons can come and go, mutation is rampant
It's chaos
tawdry escarp
Aeldari Craft worlds that got sucked into the Warp during the birth of Slaneesh are called Crone Worlds
tawdry escarp
Where the Exodite live
green loom
Do I get a B
storm jungle
Yeah thats the Maiden Worlds
plush mason
are exodites and craftworld eldar allies?
storm jungle
Mostly yes
Exodites are literally wood elves
they are planet bound and dont ever really leave their worlds
its why craftworld eldar come to help them out when they are in trouble
imagine them like your family out living in the woods
plush mason
i have a lot of those lol
storm jungle
fervent folio
Eldar travel FTL via the webway, was it ?
green loom
But said family may or may not need help since they have a portable iron curtain system and pet dinosaurs
tawdry escarp
Could an Exodite leave?
storm jungle
Yeah they can at any time
Its more just uh
saying goodbye to your community/family
especially if you are going out adventuring
so basically lots of "hey bro you shouldnt probably go"
tawdry escarp
I like the concept of dinosaur riding elves
storm jungle
Universally cool 👌
tawdry escarp
There needs to be more Exodite stuff
plush mason
I like the concept of dinosaur riding elves
there was this funny little comic of an imperial knight fighting exodites and getting an idea to use their giant dinos as mounts for his mech
tawdry escarp
As for my spotty Eldar knowledge: I just kinda skimmed the Lexi wiki
storm jungle
Arent any more black libary books coming to audible ?
Oh no its because that book came out in fucking 2006
storm jungle
A lot of the creative 40k books are from the mid 2000's periods
only the "newer" stuff get audiobooks usually
fervent folio
I've been listening to all of Ciaphas cain lately and book 10 isnt on there yet
But the voice actor for Cain is fantastic
plush mason
Oh no its because that book came out in fucking 2006
damn. old as the dead sea scrolls almost
storm jungle
I've been listening to all of Ciaphas cain lately and book 10 isnt on there yet
Yeee they are slow on that sadly
or sometimes just never do it lol
its why i dont usually bother with audiobooks
Audio Dramas on the other hand
tawdry escarp
If they do more Exodite stuff, they need to get someone else to write the books
storm jungle
one day