40k-lore-chat

[green loom]

Them being 2nd founding and influential and very loyal helps

[rose thorn]

Like White scars are non codex and no one cares

[green loom]

And crusades being cut off from eachother and suffering horrible attrition keeps their numbers in check

[green loom]

You don't have to be codex compliant tactics/structure wise

But generally

If you start stockpiling marines

Which is what 99% of people think "non compliant" means

You get the Celestial Lions treatment

Or the Badab War

[rose thorn]

White scars have a different organization of their chapter

[rose thorn]

Ah

[green loom]

Ye and that's fine

[rose thorn]

Balling

[green loom]

DA, BA and SW aren't compliant either

The limits imposed by it are mostly to prevent mass defection

[rose thorn]

space wolves

[green loom]

They're an exception because they're badly written on a good day

[rose thorn]

LMAo

I will admit I like their hammer bolter episode

[green loom]

Anything relating to Lukas and the oldheads doing culture things is nice

But whenever it gets to battles/fighting enemies

You get shit like Bjorn beating Magnus because he forgot he was a Psyker

Or Ragnar killing Magnus

As a space wolf equivalent recruit

Or Ragnar killing Ghaz

Then, paraphrasing, being "too angry to die"

https://tenor.com/view/tywin-lannister-stupidity-and-madness-gif-25477127

Or having their chapter devastated, then partaking in two of the largest battles in the galaxy at full force, at the same time

While hunting a mythical 13th company of chaos mutated berserkers

I do not like the Space Wolves

[celest dome]

I care not about the Wolves

[rose thorn]

Healing powders💀

[sleek wigeon]

real
vashtorr is made for heretek and iron warriors imo

[plush mason]

the wulfen arent chaos mutants iirc. they are just what happens when the canis helix overtakes the space wolf

ofc the leader of the 13th hadnt become wulfen when he was found so chaos may have had a hand the mutation of the rest of the company

[near wasp]

Dont care for the space wolves mostly because it makes the space wolf people mad when i point out the hypocrisy

[plush mason]

fair

honestly the space wolf fans deserve it, they need to grow some thicker skin, ironic given their fav chapter is literally famous for its thick hide like skin lol

[near wasp]

"Wolf preists arnt psykers"

[plush mason]

they arent

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-cartoon-chicken-funny-dance-gif-14242277

[plush mason]

they are chaplains

[celest dome]

Is the SW simp still here ?

[plush mason]

its the rune priests that are the psykers

[celest dome]

wizards and sorcerer, and stuff

[arctic talon]

Wolf priests are the weird apothecary chaplain hybrid

[plush mason]

^

[arctic talon]

Rune priests are the funny wizards

[near wasp]

Sorry i got one of the wolf units mixed up

[arctic talon]

And iron priests are

As the name implies

Tech marines

[near wasp]

He is but he hasnt talked here in a bit i dont think

[celest dome]

What was his name again ?

[near wasp]

Zerokewl

[plush mason]

iirc he wasnt a SW simp at first, then he starting following their lore and drank the kool-aid

[near wasp]

He jump striaght into the deep end but then again i think he just is a viking fanboy

[celest dome]

#40k-lore-chat message
#40k-lore-chat message
#40k-lore-chat message
#40k-lore-chat message
Still a very funny dude

[shadow plover]

lmao I thought that was a bit

[green loom]

It wasn't?

[celest dome]

@dense mortar Was it a bit or not ?
I'm betting dead serious

[near wasp]

Im pretty sure its not a bit

[plush mason]

idk

[near wasp]

Good lad though

[plush mason]

you can never tell online

[dense mortar]

As serious as a Space Wolf knee deep in heretic shit with no ammo.

[celest dome]

The Wolf time are near, better run for the armoury then

[celest dome]

Yeah
Serious

[near wasp]

Welcome back to purgatory friend

[dense mortar]

Much appreciated.

[near wasp]

So did you check out the new lion book yet or you still on space wolf stuff

[dense mortar]

Well, I finished the Blackmane novels and let me tell you. . . Tolkien level writing. Im knee deep in Wolftime right now by Gav Thorpe. Decent enough writer. He captures the raw ferocity and unyielding loyalty the Space Wolves are known for. He also does a great job at plying the covert reverence many of the other Space Marine chapters (ultramarines, blood angels, etc.) have for the SW. I do intend to read the Lion book, AFTER the bring back Russ (which should be here in the near future).

[plush mason]

that last part sounds like pure cope or is his return being hinted at now?

[celest dome]

Nothing afaik

[plush mason]

k

[near wasp]

Near future is like ten irl years

I dont think space marines worship the wolves sounds like more of the type of cope that came from "ultramarines are the best"

I say as a ultramarine fan

[odd palm]

I mean maybe after 10k years, Russ may be wise enough now to spell strategic. Hell he might even be intelligent enough to create an elementary battle plan

[near wasp]

Assuming hes not a feral werewolf

[celest dome]

You can judge most alternate heresy by how they use Russ

[near wasp]

Everybody says hed fall to knorne but i think russ would go renegade and raid the imperium much like vikings raided other lands

[plush mason]

i mean. he was borderline one before he left so that is a big possibility

[celest dome]

Tzeentch Rune Lord Russ
Khorne Gore Crow Corax

[odd palm]

Ash blind/sable brand afflicted corax

interesting

[near wasp]

I think corvus has a higher chance to fall to tzeentch than russ personally

[celest dome]

The legions fit more that way

[near wasp]

The legions would follow the god there father fell to. For me personally

Dorn undivided
Rowboat gorillaman undivided
Corvus tzeentch
Khan slaneesh
Sangunius Khorne
Mannus nurgle
Russ renegade
Vulcan renagade
Lion renegade (alpha legion replacement)

Personally this makes sense to me

And no i couldnt place vulcan in any way i felt good about

[celest dome]

For me:
Dorn or Lion Undivided (Warmaster)
Russ Tzeentch (Rune Lord)
Corvus Khorne (Crow being often depicted on cadaver)
Vulkan Nurgle (Toxflame)
Robute Slaanesh (Sigvald like)
Khan Renegade (Raiders/Spy)
Mannus Dead/Undivided (Chaos Foundry)
(If Lion Warmaster) Dorn Undivided (Chaos Builder/replace Word Bearer)
(If Dorn Warmaster) Lion Undivided (Replace Alpha legion, with Khan taking Night Lord)

Forgot Sangiunus, I think he would have to die, and for the Blood Angels to become separate force, so Renegade

[sleek wigeon]

Mannus could have been Vashtorr if he ascended mid-post heresy

[rose thorn]

‘I finally made my own chapter that I’m satisfactory with’

The mentors chapter:

[odd palm]

Lineage and doctrine?

[rose thorn]

I just learned about the mentors chapter

And I really like them

[odd palm]

The Mentors, as in the Guilliman descendants?

[rose thorn]

No

They are a chapter

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Mentors

[green loom]

They have/play a big role in a book

Spear of the Emperor

They may or may not be in bed with the inquisition

[odd palm]

Yeah the Mentor Legion chapter are Guilliman's sons

[rose thorn]

Ohhhhh

Sorry lmao I got confused HWTA you meant

[rose thorn]

Fuck yeah

How do you battle?

https://tenor.com/view/knowledge-tai-lopez-lamborghini-gif-19251888

[green loom]

They use battle serfs called Helots

I think

And they're basically a support crew for the marine feeding him info

Their serfs also wear the flayed skin of their dead parents

[odd palm]

A relationship with the inquisition shouldn't be to surprising considering their access to tech and relationship with the guard

I suppose Ran-Thawll valued a close relationship with the inquisition over a good standing with a few chapters.
I'm curious if word of Ekene's death and the actors involved will spread to the other side of the rift

[green loom]

They seem pretty secretive by default

And they can always play the "We didn't know" card

Though as one of the helots comments iirc

A Callidus wouldn't have snuck past Chapter Command

[tiny root]

Grimskull vs Ghazkull, choppas only

Money match, for all da teef

[green loom]

Considering Ghaz is twice his size

[tiny root]

Yea but Grim went toe to toe with Chaos' Everchosen

[green loom]

....do you mean Grimgor?

Cus Grimskull is the guy in the Space Marine game

[coarse pumice]

these guys were one of the earliest chapters

though not one of the 'original 12'

[tiny root]

oh shit

yea

yea

[green loom]

Probably Ghaz still

[tiny root]

Grimgor Vs Ghazkull
Auromite cage match

[green loom]

Because he's bigger

[coarse pumice]

well, Warhammer Fantasy fellas are built different

so a normal black powder cannon is as powerful as a tau railgun

[rose thorn]

I love them

[tiny root]

Archeon Vs Abbadon blades only would be tough matchup

[coarse pumice]

and Warhammer Fantasy full plate on a steed is as strong as Terminator armour

[tiny root]

who can mainline Chaos into their veins the most before the fight

[coarse pumice]

Egrimm Van Horstmann used to be the big deal Chaos character

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/waithere-igotamemeforthis-gif-19979022

I have to turn my phone on for it

[rose thorn]

They remind me of the followers of the apocalypse but space marines and warhammer flavor

Fuck government, we willl help you help yourself ect ect

[rose thorn]

Funny that their chapter symbol is of a Hawk but they prefer owl iconography

Because

They are like wise and shit

Maybe owls aren’t scary r you

Actually it’s porbably a side view of an owl in the wind or something

[green loom]

It's the generic birb image

[coarse pumice]

here's your chaos marines

[uneven temple]

The one big one

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-laughing-laugh-haha-book-gif-7961844

[rose thorn]

BASEBALL CAP MARINE

[rose thorn]

Wiat is their chapter master dead?

Oh

Okay so no (TM)

[green loom]

No but they may have gotten another chapter's boss killed

[astral whale]

Owls get bullied by everything that isn’t nocturnal.

[plush mason]

that bit about the sword was a low blow

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-lightbringer-wow-world-of-warcraft-spongebob-gif-23561804

[green loom]

Frostmourne is cool enough but the Chadbringer is much superior

[plush mason]

imagine being called a cheap knock off of a sword that lost to a sword that looks like that lol

[green loom]

Warcraft paladins are based, I'm still waiting for the expansion that makes them all evil

[plush mason]

lol

its just funny to me that frostmorne which was made of a metal from beyond the stars and could eat souls got snapped like a twig the moment it got hit by the lightbringer which is a weapon made of a purified fel crystal and the rage of a dwarven smith-king

[green loom]

It technically got punked by convenient light powers

Also frostmourne is just a normal sword the Jailer can make

[plush mason]

Tirion had to mad flex on EVERYONE and do a full backflip over the lich king while at it lol

[plush mason]

eh nah morneblades are still hella big deals also the Jailer didnt make a full on morneblade for Anduin he just corrupted Varian's sword into one

[green loom]

Lore sucks either way

[plush mason]

yeah

but ofc all of shadowlands sucked its lore most of all

[green loom]

I might go play classic but retail is dead

[plush mason]

nah its not

[green loom]

To me

[plush mason]

fair

[sleek hound]

Ight I've got a question

The Chaos cult in Warhammer Boltgun seems to specifically be summoning daemons from Nurgle and Tzeentch, which is interesting considering those two gods hate eachother

I thought we'd see some other daemon types from Slaanesh and Khorne, but we only get smart boi and stinky boi

[storm jungle]

Boltgun is not really lore-accurate in the slightest so ignore mishaps like that.

[green loom]

They all hate each other

Though undivided tend to summon everyone anyway

[storm jungle]

also that

but its mostly just purely for gameplay

[sleek hound]

I mean I was just curious if there would be any reason for a cult to favour those two specifically

[storm jungle]

No reason for it, its just the game's thing

[sleek hound]

Yeah but Nurgle and Tzeentch are like total opposites

[green loom]

They're all inherently opposed

[sleek hound]

I guess, but I see no reason why we couldn't get some snakey bois and some angy bois

[storm jungle]

Because the devs didnt want to add em in

[sleek hound]

Khorne daemons would work great for a doom clone

[storm jungle]

thats kind of it honestly

[green loom]

Yeah the game design board decided xyz was enough

And this is also assuming there won't be any similar content
Which, with how well received it is, I find unlikely

[sleek hound]

Well for now this is gonna be my headcanon for the plot of the game https://youtu.be/r1sp2e-h1tk

[sleek hound]

Yes and no, they're all opposed to one another but Nurgle and Tzeentch hate eachother specifically the same way Slaanesh and Khorne hate eachother

[green loom]

They all hate each other completely and totally

The Great Game is a full 4 way for a reason

[sleek hound]

Yeah but it's been said multiple times in the lore that while they're all fighting, they still each have a direct rival

Tzeentch represents creation and beginnings, Nurgle represents decomposition and the end. Khorne represents hatred and mindless violence, Slaanesh represents passion and excess. They all hate eachother, but they are still directly opposed to the one who stands for the polar opposite of what the other does

[green loom]

Khorne isn't hatred and mindless violence, he's blood

Tzeentch isn't creation and beginnings, he's change

[sleek hound]

My bad, I'm getting some of the specifics wrong. But still, it's been stated that they each have direct rivals. Tzeentch is change, Nurgle is permanence. Khorne is blood, Slaanesh is... other bodily fluids

[green loom]

Slaanesh is excess

[sleek hound]

All I'm saying is it's interesting to see a game with two of the gods who are direct rivals co-existing on the battlefield

[green loom]

Nurgle is disease

[sleek hound]

Yeah I know

[sleek hound]

Yeah, which brings death IE permanence

[green loom]

It doesn't

Nurgle brings stagnation and endless suffering

Victims of his plagues are forever trapped in their now warp-diseased bodies, cursed to suffer in eternal silence

There's a reason why the bastard has like 7 zombie plagues

[sleek hound]

The whole point of why people worship Nurgle is to end their suffering though. A lot of his followers are basically walking corpses full of puss and maggots, but they feel nothing.

Also I don't like using Reddit of all things as a source but this guy probably explains it better than I do https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/b44q2g/chaos_rivalriesgw_has_it_wrong/

[green loom]

Yes, they're deluded and feel nothing

Yet they will never die

I mean the guy's lesser daemons are straight up made from the souls of his victims

[sleek hound]

Ok, reading something else there's a guy (not from the Reddit post) that explains the whole thing really well

[green loom]

Ok because the Reddit post is wrong

Khornates don't hate manipulation and cowardice, maybe AoS Khorne does iirc but in 40k I don't think he gives a damn
What he does hate very much is sorcery, and all 3 of the other gods have lots of sorcerers

So by that logic he'd hate all 3, a lot

And he makes the mistake of saying Slaanesh is anything other than excess
It isn't, Slaanesh worship always doubles back to excess

[sleek hound]

I

Wow

I just typed that whole explanation and it didn't send because I need to "be mindful of my language"

I literally said the f word lmao

[green loom]

thank you modbot

[sleek hound]

Ok I'm not typing all that shit again so I'll give the short version because apparently we can't swear in a server about an M rated game

Nurgle is stagnation, death and permanence. Tzeentch is creation, life and change. They are opposites in a very literal way.

Khorne and Slaanesh hate eachother more out of principle rather than literally being opposites. Slaanesh is all about squeezing every last drop of enjoyment out of every waking moment, Khorne is about perpetual conflict and murder. Slaanesh is about stopping to smell the roses (in an incredibly messed up sort of way) while Khorne would probably prefer to burn said roses

It's also worth mentioning that Slaanesh followers tend to torture their victims, something that Khorne and his followers would consider a waste of time

[green loom]

Idk where the creation thing comes for tzeentch

[sleek hound]

So yeah, they all hate eachother and oppose eachother and some way. But each one also has a direct rivalry with another one

[green loom]

They have a direct rivalry with all 3

Of their buddies

[sleek hound]

Alright I'm talking to a brick wall now

Games Workshop has literally said that they each have a direct rival

I'm just trying my best to explain why lol

[green loom]

Below the post you linked

[sleek hound]

All this proves is that they fight eachother, which everyone already knows

[green loom]

Look at the wording on rivals doe

The rivalries mean nothing, they'll take any opportunity to hit any of the others with no real preference

I think the whole Khorne vs Slaanesh rivalry thing might come from Khorne beating the pulp out of slaanesh with Khaines mangled corpse

[sleek hound]

It doesn't conflict with the concept of them also having direct rivals. Yes, they're all rivals with eachother. But each one DOES have a god that they have a particular disdain for, for reasons already stated.

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/289031/chaos-god-rivalries

[green loom]

From lexicanum

It seems the guys on the forums are sourcing from Liber Chaotica, which is both old and for fantasy

[stuck kindle]

Khorne is just being yandere

[summer rover]

chaos fanboys forgetting the chaos gods aren't true gods as always.

[celest dome]

What are gods though

[plush mason]

well a god is just any being with vast power and that uses said power to gain the worship of mortals

[summer rover]

that's not precisely true, although what the chaos gods seek isn't technically worship but emotions.

[orchid lark]

they are byproducts of emotions

[summer rover]

this isn't relevent in 40k though, as they don't have gods.

[celest cedar]

God Emperor of Mankind

[summer rover]

calling yourself a god doesn't make you a god, and neither does having a fanclub that got weird about it.

[celest cedar]

To be fair. He doesnt want to be god

but homie dressed in golden armor. Super tall and handsome. Able to use their mind to control others

"not a god btw"

[coarse pumice]

Depends on your definition

[minor ingot]

One of the funniest bits of the lore to me is Malcador explaining that jimmy space hates his golden giant form and is desperate to leave it behind once the great crusade is finished

and now it's the only form trillions of people remember him by

[plush mason]

frankly that just shows how dumb he really was

[minor ingot]

The Emperor is severely autistic to his (literal) galaxy brain

cut our homeboy some slack

he could have just taken his 20 sons for some bonding time at Space Applebees

but he probably saw the potential bill and said "fuck that"

and now we have warhammer 40k

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iQ-n9Fjr2s

im getting hyped for this

im hoping it gives us a really good look at what it's like at the top of the imperium

[green loom]

Judging by Kingmaker and Wrath

I'm optimistic

[plush mason]

same

Owlcat does a really good job when it comes to lore and story

[storm jungle]

Their imperium lore introduction video outright calls the Imperium a rotting pile of shit instead of glorfiying them in any way.

That alone has me have full faith in them

[plush mason]

nice

[storm jungle]

this game is definitely going t obe great though

[plush mason]

yeah

its also possible that they dont focus a lot on the imperium and more on the frontier

both will be explored but one may end up more of a focus

[storm jungle]

Yeah you are a rogue trader so theres more important matters to focus on even with a bit of an Imperial focus from what ive played of the game

[green loom]

The 3 main environments they've showcased

Are that imperial hub

A jungle world

And Commoragh

And knowing Owlcat/seeing the space travel preview I figure we'll have a lot of enviroments to explore

[storm jungle]

yeah deffo they did tease a lot

[green loom]

I myself just hope there's good fashion

And weapon variety

And judging by the trailer that is the case

I just hope they have a transmog system from the get go

[hallow saddle]

Yeah I hope the drip is good

[plush mason]

what kind of rogue trader does have god tier drip?

[hallow saddle]

Exactly 💯

[green loom]

Most fanmade ones because a concerning number of people lack basic fashion sense

[plush mason]

i watch a bit of a dev stream over on the steam page. the rogue trader they used had a giant fur mantle on top of his longcoat

[green loom]

I'm hoping the character creator is as painfully in depth as it is in wrath

[plush mason]

im sure it will be

there is like 8 or so different archetypes of rogue trader so they will have to do very in dept with the other options just for the sake of gameplay variety

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a14VHYAxetw

given how they did Wrath they will be looking to use most of the stuff from source as they can

[plush mason]

i do really like the navigator is able to use her third eye in combat

[storm jungle]

most people forget they can even do that, its great

[plush mason]

during the dev stream she literally just deleted 3 thugs with it

and i mean deleted. bodies turned to purple mush

which i feel is a very accurate thing give she just blasted them body and soul with raw warp power

[green loom]

Yeah I heard them talk about there being a LOT of trash to kill, so you'll be seeing that a lot

[plush mason]

yeah

[green loom]

And in wrath arrows had a tendency to make people blow up at range

[plush mason]

there was a skill you could get to make ranged crits aoe

but ofc it was very much needed as your party of six often got outnumbered

[green loom]

I think Arue had it in my playthrough

When I wasn't fighting those annoying, massive tanky demons that spammed mirror image she massacred everything

[plush mason]

i had it on that mongrel chick

[green loom]

Oh I killed her

[plush mason]

well i was going for a chaotic neutral run so the monk dude would have been a pain

[rose thorn]

What would be a cool Gulliman proxy for my mentors chapter?

I could just do a Gulliman statue

With dudes

[vale shuttle]

you could do a big dreadnought or something

or maybe you could do an angel or warp thingy like the aanguinor (i have no idea if that would fit your chapter)

[green loom]

Mentors are ultras

[orchid lark]

or its just guilliman in Mentors colours

[green loom]

Buzz Lightyear

[orchid lark]

like Roboute just changes outfits depending which kids hes with

[vale shuttle]

you could do a guy in a dreadknight and say they found / stole / were gifted by / recovered it from the grey knights

[green loom]

Can always do this

[rose thorn]

Trueeee

Slap owl shit onto there

I could do that or a shrine to the porbably dead at this point chapter master

I’ll think on it

[torpid narwhal]

how many primarchs are still alive including traitors

[green loom]

About 10-11 that we know of for sure

[storm jungle]

• Lion: Alive
• Fulgrim: Alive
• Perturabo: Alive
• Jaghatai: Missing + Alive
• Russ: Missing + Alive
• Konrad:
• Sanguinius:
• Dorn: Missing + Alive
• Angron: Alive
• Guilliman: Alive
• Mortarion: Alive
• Magnus: Alive
• Horus:
• Lorgar: Alive
• Vulkan: Missing + Alive
• Corvus: Missing + Alive
• Alpharius/Omegon: One Twin / Second Twin Alive

[torpid narwhal]

oh shit i thought there were only mortarion, guilliman and lion

[storm jungle]

I forgot Ferrus but fuck him

[storm jungle]

Literally every missing loyalist primarch is alive

theres no way they'd be dead, they got models to make when they return

[torpid narwhal]

i guess games workshop just likes mortarion a lot

[orchid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-samurai-keanu-reeves-shades-off-cyberpunk2077-gif-15573061

The emperor bringing them back

whether they like it or not

[storm jungle]

Mortarion got killed like 6 times in lore iirc

hes a fucking loser

[torpid narwhal]

but he has zombies

[orchid lark]

if he dies one more time, he gets a power spike

[torpid narwhal]

zombies sell

[orchid lark]

the 7 death power spike

[torpid narwhal]

so his he like a zombie at this point

[orchid lark]

no

[storm jungle]

No hes fully aware of his situation

[orchid lark]

is just Daemon

[storm jungle]

thats what makes it fucking funny

yeah uh

the only braindead primarch atm is angron

[torpid narwhal]

why cant he die

[orchid lark]

because hes a daemon

[storm jungle]

Because hes a daemon primarch

his god spawns him back

this is a business tactic

[orchid lark]

[torpid narwhal]

[storm jungle]

but like think of it from a corporate standpoint

hes both

• big threat

• can respawn

just have anyone from the "good guys" kill him

"wow this guy is a badass!"

[orchid lark]

Daemons dont truly die, unless they get BLANKED or something equivalent

[torpid narwhal]

my friend is still pissed they brought back lion and gillimon

[orchid lark]

thats good

[torpid narwhal]

i like gillimon

some of my favorite scenes are when he talks to someone that treats him like a person and not a god

[storm jungle]

Yeah uh be sure to tell them

we havent even started yet

[orchid lark]

Khan gets a big titty clown elf girlfriend

MANIFESTING COME ON

[torpid narwhal]

her said primarchs dont belong is 40k

[storm jungle]

I mean they dont

but consider this

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-looney-tunes-cash-money-counting-money-gif-17544086

[orchid lark]

also its cool to see giant men fight things

[torpid narwhal]

counter point... what if they do

[orchid lark]

Primarchs on the imperium can literally

just change the identity of it

[storm jungle]

Oh no they absolutely will

[orchid lark]

the imperium would be less of the imperium we would know

[storm jungle]

GW's current plan is more or less slowly bringing back every loyalist primarch

we are getting Fulgrim this year at some point

[torpid narwhal]

i like fulgrim

[storm jungle]

after him another loyalist

[orchid lark]

(Except Sang)

[torpid narwhal]

i guess they want to set up a primarch war

[orchid lark]

we had one of those in the chaos books

Morty vs Perty

[torpid narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-chaos-square-enix-gif-21948103

[orchid lark]

we already had Roboute vs Morty

and now we had Angron vs Lion

[torpid narwhal]

i mean a full war

[orchid lark]

so just Morty vs Perty

War of Rust and Ruin

[torpid narwhal]

dont tell me about the lion book

[storm jungle]

honestly nothing happens in it

[torpid narwhal]

im waiting for it to come to print

[storm jungle]

its literally just Lion on a fucking fetchquest

but thats not really a spoiler

but all ill say for your sake

[orchid lark]

you can watch the King Arthur Cartoons

and its gonna be the same

[torpid narwhal]

still need it for my collection

lion coming back is something i need

[orchid lark]

those are some new books

i miss the old Black Library symbol

[torpid narwhal]

i just get what looks interesting

im reading dark imperium right now

[orchid lark]

got my family to sell some if not most of my old books

[torpid narwhal]

im a collector. i got the hard cover ghosts books

they are the red ones

came in the mail yesterday

[orchid lark]

I bought Cixin Lius Remembrance Of Earths Past Book Series

but each book was a different book cover

I made sure they werent matching

some of my friends got really annoyed I did that

[torpid narwhal]

i am annoyed

[orchid lark]

Its funny

[torpid narwhal]

my ocd is intensifying

[green loom]

Guilliman coming back was nice

And actually sensible since you know

[torpid narwhal]

guilliman is a chad

[green loom]

He was sitting in the Fortress of Hera for 10k years in full view of everyone

[torpid narwhal]

i still want to know if he has a penis

[orchid lark]

if he has kidneys

[orchid lark]

he has a dick

if he eats

[torpid narwhal]

i want proof

[orchid lark]

he has a digestive track

in Fear To Tread, Horus and Sanguinius drinks wine

[torpid narwhal]

i am convinced the emp would think its unnecessary

[orchid lark]

if he wanted to make generals, like purely tactical thinking machines, he wouldve dug some crap and made some robot garbage

but he needed leaders that had to appear human

and act and feel (arguably)

human

so other humans dont feel weird

(arguably)

[celest dome]

Seeing as we know some of the Primarch had sex, yes they have

[orchid lark]

only Rogal can eat out, think about it

[torpid narwhal]

i would they have sex if they are that big

i should dm games workshop

brb

[green loom]

Life finds a way

[torpid narwhal]

ok i tweeted at the,

they will prob block me but i need to know

im not letting this go until i have an answer

[orchid lark]

you could ask Robbie Macniven a black library writer on tumblr

[torpid narwhal]

i have bad news btw, the new warhammer crpg rogue trader has a space wolf companion.

[green loom]

Yeah we've known that since the reveal

Since he's been very visible on the cover image

[orchid lark]

thats fine

[torpid narwhal]

no they role play as Viking furrys

[orchid lark]

some chapters have long standing deals with Rogue Traders

well

yeah

its Space Wolves

we know what they are

[green loom]

I think he's called Ulfar

[torpid narwhal]

i had to skip wollftime becuase of how annoying it was

[green loom]

His pack got murderbanged by Drukhari

And we rescue him apparently

[torpid narwhal]

dont tell me about the game

[crisp heath]

That's in the promo material, it's not a spoiler

[torpid narwhal]

but im sure if we choose chaos he will try to kill us so i need to do that

[green loom]

Knowing Owlcat, you'll probably be able to leave/kill him

[crisp heath]

The only companion that matters is Cassia

[torpid narwhal]

first chance i am killing him. its my dream to kill a space wolf.

[orchid lark]

thats a way to continue the convo

[celest dome]

Cassia the Psyker Orgryn or another Cassia ?
Still sad that the SoB can't be romanced

[orchid lark]

[crisp heath]

The navigator lmao

[torpid narwhal]

only companion that matters is the tech priest

[crisp heath]

You can't romance the SoB because she's your competition. She's here to steal your girl.

[torpid narwhal]

im going to romance the xenos to piss off the space wolf

im going to cat fish him then kill him

[green loom]

I wonder who you'll even be able to romance

[orchid lark]

catfish?

who are you pretending to be

you mean lead on

[torpid narwhal]

pretend to like someone

[orchid lark]

thats leading on

[green loom]

I'd pay good money to have an inquisitor romance not unlike Queen Galfrey in Wrath

[torpid narwhal]

i am so hyped up on coffee right now

i have over 200 hours in the wrath

[uneven temple]

Queen galfrey lmao

[rose thorn]

Imagine a white dwarf dropping that’s says like ‘oh yeah khan is dead btw’

[storm jungle]

What are we

Yarrick?

oh wait too soon

[rose thorn]

Just fucking crush every dorn fan

‘Yea there’s this skeleton that’s 12 feet tall and missing a hand :P’

[celest dome]

Dorn is the only Primarch that went from KIA to MIA, with Vulkan hinting to him being alive during the War of the Beast and in communication with him

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah Vulkan is a character that sure does exist

[rose thorn]

My favorite part of this entire list is that she forgot Ferrus

[orchid lark]

the real Ferrus is dead

good riddance

[storm jungle]

Even I admitted it and nobody can blame me

[celest dome]

Only 2 people would blame you, unless the Iron Hand have lost another fan

[rose thorn]

Also apparently Slaanesh still has Ferrus soul, a keeper or secrets says his head is still screaming in the warp lamo

To piss off some iron hands

[crisp heath]

An emperor's children themed sitcom called Glass Half Fulgrim

[gloomy citrus]

Maybe add an additional skull to Horus.

[green loom]

I can show you how to upset the average Imperium fan

[gloomy citrus]

How?

[green loom]

[gloomy citrus]

I'd stay away from the ones on the left.

[green loom]

I actually like that one a lot

[gloomy citrus]

[orchid lark]

the mmo effect lmao

[gloomy citrus]

When it comes to Chaos, I'm on the Khorne/Tzeentch side of the camp.

[orchid lark]

different body types for males

same type for females

[green loom]

Khorne can be great but a lot of the time it's just bad

[orchid lark]

ladies in armor can never win fam

[celest dome]

Cause game dev are cowards

[green loom]

Idk some of the guard models are nice

[gloomy citrus]

He's not an asshole.

[green loom]

He very much is

[orchid lark]

all of them are assholes

which type of abuse do you want

[green loom]

Mfw my mortal champion is called "The Betrayer"
People still think I care about honour
Laugh as I betray them for more blood and skulls

[gloomy citrus]

I don't like Nurgle that much (you know, due to the diseases and shit), but he doesn't seem like an asshole.

[orchid lark]

didnt fight hard enough but still fought?
failure anyway

[orchid lark]

like i said, which type of abuse do you want

[green loom]

Yeah the guy damning you to eternal disease and apathy is totally a nice guy

[celest dome]

All of them are assholes and aren't at the same time.
It's like the Fey, Blue and Orange morality

[crisp heath]

We need more major unaligned daemons like Vashtorr who provide necessary services in the warp. I want a greater daemon of therapy and I want him to talk to Tzeentch.

[gloomy citrus]

Khârn got the title from burning down the tents, when his brothers were too cold to wipe out the filth that became the Emperor's Children.

[green loom]

And because he

Actively

[orchid lark]

yeah, thats honourable

[green loom]

Stabs his allies in the back

[gloomy citrus]

Which allies?

[orchid lark]

everyone dies, and im the hero

what

[green loom]

Ok that's a good point

But that just tells me you're farther ahead than most numbskulls who preach about Khorne lmao

"Duhhh he is the God of Honour!"

[orchid lark]

dude commits fratricide because everyone didnt want to die from the freezing temperatures

[gloomy citrus]

Oh, and don't forget about the nails in Khârn's fucking brain.

[celest dome]

Which he could have gotten taken out multiple times

[orchid lark]

also technically optional for them early on

[gloomy citrus]

If Angron couldn't, what chances did he have?

[green loom]

I remember a guy telling me that world eaters ignore Civilians because they aren't "worthy foes"

[green loom]

They weren't meant for Angron

[orchid lark]

[green loom]

For humans they were tried and tested

At least

Marine brain chemistry is something they can work with

Angron is something else

And had the nails more or less jury rigged to work with his physiology

[green loom]

sane chaos fans are very fun

There's this one image

Lemme see if I can find it

Some people treat this as gospel

[orchid lark]

"but it makes sense bros"

[gloomy citrus]

What the fuck is that?

[orchid lark]

same level as people thinking Imperium are the good guys

[gloomy citrus]

There are no good guys.

But you know what they say.

"Every villain is a hero of his or her own story."

[green loom]

One of the many misconceptions spawned by TTS

[gloomy citrus]

Huh.

[green loom]

It didn't cause it directly but it gave a shitton of people this idea of "benevolent" chaos gods

Though

Since it came from Magnus

[gloomy citrus]

That's probably how Lorgar sees them.

[green loom]

That should've been peoples' first tip that it was a load of horseshit

[celest dome]

I think it's actually older than TTS

[green loom]

I think Lorgar has come to terms with how they really are

[green loom]

Is it?

[orchid lark]

yeah kinda

its like how they were explaining the warp was made from emotions

not all emotions are bad kinda thing

[gloomy citrus]

Well, maybe at least that's how he saw them back on Colchis.

Did I spell it right?

[celest dome]

Think so, was from Fantasy iirc

[green loom]

Oh iirc there it's pretty much how it is

With Khorne and his honour at least

iirc he punishes cowardice and shit

[celest dome]

Not really

Well he does punish cowards, but killing children isn't bad

For his follower

[green loom]

Regardless i think they're more "Involved" in fantasy/AoS?

Whereas in 40k

They're much more monolithic entities that don't care about the "sideshow" that is the materium

[gloomy citrus]

"Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, only that it flows."

At least, that's what they say.

[green loom]

It's "only that it does" but yeah

[celest dome]

Regional variants

[gloomy citrus]

That's besides the point.

[storm jungle]

Most World Eater fans are about as braindead as their Primarch and faction

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[green loom]

Are they as bad as Black Templars?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[green loom]

Checks out

[orchid lark]

i think world eaters fans are the most copium

[celest dome]

Nah, Black Templar fans are still worse

[orchid lark]

Black Templar is worst for other reasons

[gloomy citrus]

Them hating the Codex probably isn't one of these.

[orchid lark]

nah thats a reason

[storm jungle]

Its mostly all their fans being fascists too

[orchid lark]

some weirdoes in this community just

hate a fictional book

[green loom]

"hey here's a book on tactics and some limitations to keep that thing from happening again"
"WTF STUPID STUPID STUPID ME RUSH IN MELEE REEE"

[gloomy citrus]

They're loyalist World Eaters, just like the Flesh Tearers.

[orchid lark]

my favourite thing is when some people do like, a super uber tactical space marine chapter because the codex isnt tactical, without realising that, most space marines are tactical in general

[green loom]

Yeah and the "Tactical" chapter they made is horribly wasteful and useless in 99% of combat

[orchid lark]

and just

[gloomy citrus]

Sigismund and Khârn were bros before the Heresy. So, yeah.

[green loom]

Because they are a teenager

[orchid lark]

IRL Army fanwank

[green loom]

With no military knowledge

[orchid lark]

we put tanks in cities

uh what did you do

[green loom]

They have practices adopted straight from the WE

Like fight pits and the entire chained weapon thing

[gloomy citrus]

Sigismund copied that from Khârn.

[green loom]

Yes

[orchid lark]

DoW 2 goes to great lengths of a character literally espousing the tactical merits of the codex

and he does it with a badass voice

[gloomy citrus]

But hey, if it gets the job done.

[orchid lark]

a controversial thought most people in the community cant handle

Space Marines can wear Camo

[gloomy citrus]

Reminds me about that drawing of a Raven Guard dreadnought.

[rose thorn]

There’s two types of fan, blood depression and blood brained

[green loom]

I love the more Martial/Discipline oriented Khorne followers

[gloomy citrus]

Like the Blood Pact?

[green loom]

Unfortunately, people are boring and only like the screaming madmen

[rose thorn]

I like the depression and acceptance of fate

[green loom]

Yeah ocassionally you'll see a guy obsessed with them/trying to include them in everything despite them probably being dead

[gloomy citrus]

Khârn did kill over a million people.

[orchid lark]

ignoring the fact World Eater champions and leaders need to be lucid and still make tactics

[green loom]

Yeah but Berzerkers don't

And I like my spiky shieldwall of headtakers

[orchid lark]

they can still probably think faster and are smarter than the average human tho

[celest dome]

The original Blood Pact is over, but there are following cults/groups that came up

[gloomy citrus]

But it's probably a deal simmilar to the Night Lords.

[gloomy citrus]

The majority being bloodthirsty maniacs.

[rose thorn]

And isn’t their brother cult, the hands of who ever the fuck also get pulverized

[celest dome]

Something of Sek ?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

With an aesthetic so cool it appeared in half of a book cover

[celest dome]

Afaik they lost some of their forces but they still are active/growing

[rose thorn]

Ah

[celest dome]

I think it's Children of Sek ? Or something close

[rose thorn]

SONS OF SEK

sos

SEK being a yhh BL CSM?

Who just

Yoinked a cult

I almost corrected black legion to black Templars 💀

[green loom]

He was just a guy

The Sons of Sek were apparently meant to eventually coup the BP lead

[celest dome]

He isn't ? I think

[rose thorn]

Ohhh

[celest dome]

That was what the Imperial were hoping to make happen afaik

[rose thorn]

I was porbably thinking of the cult lead by a fallen

That appeared in 3 DA books and the only good one is first of the fallen

[coarse pumice]

wood elves?

[celest dome]

World Eater ?

[coarse pumice]

oh

[storm jungle]

Bruh Moment

[celest dome]

They aren't a Khornate cult though, were they allied to Baby Bel ? Like Undivided but not at the same time or am I missremembering

[coarse pumice]

I've generally seen WE as Wood Elves for years

[celest dome]

Well depend on the place you're discussing it I suppose, since the primary charge of this place is 40k, it make sense that WE=World Eater

[near wasp]

Who do people like more wood elves or world eaters xD

[summer rover]

elves

[orchid lark]

AoS or Fantasy?

Cause

Its Wood Elves Regardless

[near wasp]

Either or

[orchid lark]

The only cool WE was the warband that uses preheresy colour schemes

Gladiator Cadre 136?

[celest dome]

Does AoS technically have Wood Elves

[green loom]

They're both bloodthirsty monsters tbf

[near wasp]

Wait are elves actually a threat in aos and fantasy

[orchid lark]

They have wooden elves, Sylavaneth

[celest dome]

Aren't they more like Dryads and Treekin ?

[celest dome]

Dark and High for Fantasy yes
Wood not really
For AoS I would have to check cause there are more of them

[terse flume]

wood elves are bloodthirsty monsters like, half the time

[near wasp]

Interesting

[terse flume]

not like in setting i mean as a mythological creature in pop fantasy

One bone broken for every twig snapped underfoot - llanowar elves flavour text from magic

stuff like that

[celest dome]

Were they neutral or still order ?

[celest dome]

Well they were based on the Fey, so it make sense for it to be the case

[arctic talon]

In fantasy they fall under order and same with AoS

They just don’t really like everyone else

They hate chaos more then they hate the order factions

[celest dome]

Isn't it just Beastmen that they particularly hate ?

[arctic talon]

They hate chaos in general

Like most sane people

[storm jungle]

Wood Elves in Fantasy are basically very territorial and won't leave Athel Loren and some other outposts they got around the world, Athel Loren tho like is as big as a small country or half of Spain iirc.

They only leave to attack if anyone crosses their borders or once a year they call the Wİld Hunt where they go nuts across the Bretonnian countryside killing anyone they see to sate the wild woodland spirits they share the forests with since it originally belongs to them and not the wood elves/asrai

[soft sable]

If i recall there is a particular Beastmen the Wutelgie (wood elves) absolutely hates but i don't recall his name much, only that he tends to roam their domain and corrupt their forests with the gifts of Nurgle.

[celest dome]

Morgur

[storm jungle]

Morgur Shadowgave yeah

and its just chaos not nurgle

[green loom]

The shadow gave dn

[storm jungle]

True git he is

[storm jungle]

[celest dome]

Yeah, in practice they aren't any named BM that is blessed and accepted by the Chaos God.
Even Taurox while 100% Khornate isn't outright a Khornate Lord

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly most beastlord characters are not alligned to anyone minus Taurox

[celest dome]

I mean even Taurox isn't

[near wasp]

my best friend just randomly asked to listen to some warhammer 40k lore and i asked what topic and he said space wolves. ;_;

guess im learning about the wolves tonight boys, lets see if i like them any better

[gloomy citrus]

Are warp-flamers more dangerous then normal flamers?

Or are they just as lethal?

[celest dome]

Flamers are already very lethal, but warp flames can burn thing that normal flames might not)

[gloomy citrus]

Such as?

[celest dome]

Daemonic stuff

[arctic talon]

Also warp flames mutate shit

[celest dome]

That too

[gloomy citrus]

And people prefer Salamanders over Thousand Sons.

The flames blessed by Tzeentch are far deadlier.

Either blessed, or simply boosted by a sorcerer.

[soft sable]

Tzeentch also have access to his own set of daemons aptly name Flamers of Tzeentch, which spit out warp fire from their many tendrils

[celest dome]

Tzeentch forces have a lot of Warp Flames abilities. The Horrors usually throw balls of Warp Fire, the lores of Tzeentch has a couple of fire spells...

Even the TSons and the Tzaangor have Warp Flames stuff

[soft sable]

Think thats fair given that they're the magic centric chaos faction while the likes of Nurgle is in the form of volatile plagues, Khorne is violent rage while Slannesh is emotional torment.

[green loom]

Can someone explain to me the "crusade loophole" myth?

That some geniuses use to pretend they're rules lawyering the codex?

[arctic talon]

Some random fanon got started that if you’re crusading you can go over 1000 marines to account for attrition

However that’s never been mentioned in lore

Ever

Someone started it at some point and it stuck but the codex astartes pretty much states that a chapter is 1000 marines excluding command staff, support staff and honor guard

TLDR there is no loop hole

The black templars are just being tricky by hiding their numbers and they know it

It’s practically an open secret

[languid salmon]

Turns out they just have a ton of honor guard

[arctic talon]

No they just don’t have the whole chapter in once place lol

[languid salmon]

I like my idea better

[arctic talon]

Lol

[dense mortar]

Oh its very much been hinted at, especially if you read between the lines, not to mention that returning the Lion before Russ is a bit disrespectful, but certainly hints at Russ following suit. Aside from that, several of the books that focus on SW over the last couple of years have given subtle hints. The latest being Chris Wraights Wolf King, where Logan Grimnar actually communes with Leman Russ (or so he says). Chris Wraight has also hinted that a return of Russ seem possible in the near future in a somewhat recent interview with GW. If I can find it, I will link. This is all very rejoiceful news brother!

[plush mason]

?

whatever you say

SW are my fav space marines followed closely by the imperial fists, they are still space marines which are my most disliked faction in the setting lol

[burnt osprey]

Was there any kind of

power armor utilized by normal humans?

in the imperium?

Feel like if not that'd be a wasted opportunity

[plush mason]

yes but its very rare and only used by the extremally powerful and wealthy

like lord/lady inquisitors and planetary governors

[burnt osprey]

Any pics?

I feel like that'd go hard

[plush mason]

there is that lady inquisitor that wears a suit of terminator armor

if i could remember her name i would link pics

[burnt osprey]

Thats dope

[plush mason]

and iirc lord helmawr of necromunda has a suit of power armor but idk if there is any art of him in it

[burnt osprey]

hm

[orchid lark]

I hope Russ is the last primarch to return

I want Space Wolves to suffer from the worst Sunk Cost Fallacy

[plush mason]

here is some human sized power armor

[orchid lark]

dont forget the Sisters of Silence ones too

Secret Sellenite tech

[orchid lark]

Inquisitor Hector Rex has power armour too

[plush mason]

yeah

like i said. its something the rich and powerful have

[orchid lark]

it can be made for humans

it just takes resources

[plush mason]

yes

which is why its reserved for the rich and powerful be they people or organizations like the eclissiarcy

[orchid lark]

its "very rare" in the same way, super fine dining or mega yacht is rare for the average person

[plush mason]

yup

[celest dome]

The Spyrers have Power armour

[plush mason]

oh right

[celest dome]

Some of the Vaan Saar too

30k Solar Auxilia also has troops with Power Armour and Power Axes

[green loom]

Lots

But it's inconvenient to really equip anyone not fanatical or very elite

[celest dome]

Even the SoB don't all have Power armour (Though on the TT they do)

[orchid lark]

Its a uniform for them for battle

Its skin for Space Marines

(Arguable)

[green loom]

Looked into it again

Apparently not only is there no loophole, the codex just isn't that enforced

So, if I'm getting this right, if you don't really give them reason to massacre you, they just won't

Though you also wouldn't really go above 1k marines because
A) why?
B) why?
C) geneseed doesn't grow on trees

[plush mason]

given how the chapters operate there really isnt a need to go above 1k normally

[orchid lark]

If youre constantly on duty

[plush mason]

they are strike forces made to attack key points before the regular army forces arrive

[orchid lark]

Its not gonna be easy to go over 1k

[plush mason]

you dont even really need 1k

[orchid lark]

Yeah

Youd have to like go out of your way to recruit like yearly and in large numbers to offset losses

[plush mason]

space marine chapters are not armies

best to think of them as a form of spec ops

[orchid lark]

Finally someone understands how space marine forces are meant to be used

[plush mason]

its stated in most stuff about space marines that they are not a full on army but instead are made to be a first strike kind of vanguard force

[orchid lark]

They have fast ships to be in places faster

Space Marines are a sword, that cuts where it needs to cut, the Guard is the fucking Hammer

[plush mason]

yup. they go in, take key points and then hold him till the guard arrives to take over. if the guard takes to long they can be overrun as well

[green loom]

I keep letting myself think this is a common viewpoint

[orchid lark]

Its not

[plush mason]

it really should be but yeah its not

[green loom]

But then I see another homebrew where the tactics are deploying the entire chapter en masse, on an open field

[orchid lark]

Like some people dont read books enough

[plush mason]

the TT is to blame for a lot of the confusion

[orchid lark]

Yeah

Also first glance of things too

Like Space Wolves being a choppy army

They arent

Or Blood Angels being a choppy army too

Arguable for most BA

[green loom]

Long wolves are the most basedest space wolves

[orchid lark]

Im a simple man, I love Grey Hunters

[green loom]

Or was it Long fangs

[orchid lark]

Straight to the point

There are lone wolves and long fangs

Long Fangs wield the heavy weapons

Lone wolves can wield mostly anything and are looking for a final fight

[green loom]

I hate these naming conventions so much

[orchid lark]

Unless they get pulled in to a Wolf Guard Squad

Or retrofitted to be a pack leader sergeant thing

[green loom]

I can't wait to murder Ulfar

Unless he's written nicely

Which is probably the case

[plush mason]

and then there are the blood claws which are just initiates in power armor with close combat weapons lol

[orchid lark]

Nah, SW is fine and cool

Only Ragnar sucks

[green loom]

I like Lukas

[orchid lark]

There are a lot of fucking well written wolves

Its just sad that

The biggest two story wise

Ragnar and unfortunately Grimnar

Have become just

Mehhhh

[green loom]

I guess they might make me hate them by default because
A) Ragnar sucks
B) space wolf fans are like irl space wolves and a pain in the backside

They're the kind of people Lukas makes fun of

[orchid lark]

The Codex for the Space Wolves for their like surrounding fluff is what

Really hurts the SW kinda image

[plush mason]

not really on B, most SW fans have way thinner skin than SWs are famed for lol

[orchid lark]

SW have lots of cool cultural things

[green loom]

Idk SW seem to take insults pretty badly

[orchid lark]

SW fans dont realise that

Beautiful oratory history via Sagas

Appreciation of metallurgy and presentation

Like true to form Vikings

And not like

Stereotypical shitty boring vikings

[green loom]

"Ve must raid to go to Valhalla!!!"

[orchid lark]

None Space Marines fans often forget the culture that space marines have in their own chapters

Its little beautiful flavouring

[green loom]

Hold on

[orchid lark]

That said some of it is stupid

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/BsCXcW9pDLk

This guy explains it nicely

And he doesn't even know 40k lore lel

[celest cedar]

Loved his explanation of how armor isn't just something someone wears for protection

and he's able to recognize what the Nurgle chaos marines try to represent accurately just by looking at them

[orchid lark]

Its why I hate tac ops space marines

Wheres the fun

Wheres the culture

Even the fucking excoriators have culture

[plush mason]

i was unaware tac ops space marines existed

i assume its a form of homebrew?

[orchid lark]

Its more apparent than you think

Reasonable Marines were a jokey thing

[minor ingot]

Primaris Marines are the first step to GW making shit more tacticool and less camp

[orchid lark]

But some people honestly want tac ops space marines

[orchid lark]

Thankfully theres still bling and camp with the captains and other officers and chaplains and librarians

[minor ingot]

That's what scout marines are for

[plush mason]

Primaris are still hella camp tho

[minor ingot]

Literally

[orchid lark]

I mean lorewise

You can put camo on space marines

[minor ingot]

You leave being tactical and earn the right to be camp

[orchid lark]

Its a lore thing

Theres an artist whose work (really wel drawn) does tac ops space marines

[plush mason]

seems a bit pointless. kinda hard to miss an 8 foot tall walking tank

[orchid lark]

But it just looks like

Halo Reach

[orchid lark]

Theres some precedent to use camo, disruptive camo for some occassions

[plush mason]

true

[orchid lark]

Also scouts got that pseudo invisibility cloaks

cameoline?

[plush mason]

but such camo is only effective when the tank isnt moving and the space marines are a fast attack force. they dont stay in one place for long if they can help it

[orchid lark]

They move accordingly to the battle

[plush mason]

their role normally is to be a spearhead first strike force, taking key points and then holding them till the guard arrives which ideally doesnt take very long

[orchid lark]

Depending on the event yeah

Titus used the 2nd Company in the graia campaign as a pseudo relief force

[plush mason]

which was mostly due to the fact that they had to be. the liberation fleet wasnt formed until well after the invasion started

[green loom]

Who is it

[orchid lark]

Cant say, its on twitter

Literally see the art and was like

I dont like this

If it was Halo

Then id be like

HELL YEAH

But it feels like

Every 4 years or something

Theres somebody making their style of Reasonable Marines

But it just looks like Halo Spartans or something

Or Titanfall Pilots

[green loom]

And it always varies from "glorified turret" or "wasted materials"

[orchid lark]

Rob Liefeld looking ass with all those pocket pouches

[green loom]

gets hit
Explodes

[orchid lark]

Makes you wonder why they dont have fun with Imperial Guard

Or Tau

[green loom]

Because they aren't special enough

[orchid lark]

All factions in 40k are cool and special

Dont @ me

Literally something for everyone

[plush mason]

nids are still the best

[orchid lark]

Especially if you make your own

Hive Fleet Porphyrios

Dunno what kinda of like

Gimmick for it

[plush mason]

well porphyrios is a giant so maybe they have a lot of really big bioforms and biotitans

[orchid lark]

Something cool like that

They love fighting tanks

Worlds first tyranid boarding parties

[odd palm]

I’m sorry gamer, it seems auto correct did you dirty. I believe you meant to say ‘Orks are still best’

[plush mason]

nah

[orchid lark]

Freebooter Orks for life

[plush mason]

for me its nids>orks>guard

[odd palm]

Strange, seems nameless is still having technical issues with their auto correct

[orchid lark]

It should be BA> everything else > custodes

[green loom]

My tier list changes based on who I interact with and how much they annoy me

[odd palm]

Adam

You put anything above SWs?

Opinion dismissed

SMH

[orchid lark]

Hey they got some goodness in them

[odd palm]

Haven’t found it

[orchid lark]

They have more bad than good

But they’re still good

[plush mason]

incoherent eldritch bug noises

[orchid lark]

SW and dark eldar are at the bottom rung of everything else for sure

[plush mason]

same

[odd palm]

At dying? Sure, they make nice trophies, but that’s about it

[orchid lark]

I dont mind SW dying

But I cant forgive you for insulting DE alongside it

[odd palm]

Nah DE are fine

They just job to hard

[orchid lark]

They got neutered so fucking bad man

[odd palm]

Read the old brotherhood of the snake?

Novel

[orchid lark]

Dont think so

Iron Snakes?

Because if so

Prolly not

[odd palm]

Yeah about the Iron Snakes

DE in that book job so hard that one veteran kills like….20 warriors by himself. A dog helps a little

[grand obsidian]

is there a resource somewhere for all the icons and symbols for the Imperium of man? Me and the SO are making props for cosplay and the last thing I want is to get the completely wrong chapter on thing lmao

[orchid lark]

aside from googling? I dont think the lexicanum has a glossary for it but you can search for some of it there

[storm jungle]

What do yall need specifically