40k-lore-chat

[celest cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

Zealot when they're actually a Psyker the whole time (they're a Fr*ak)

[terse flume]

when i started playing i thought "freak" and "slab" were in universe slurs based on how the agitator said them

[orchid lark]

You know its serious hate when the sister of battle drops the

“Aberrant”

[crimson kayak]

Replenishing the mags in the field is not advised and actually frowned upon by the mechanicum guys that maintain your weapons lol

It's more of a last chance, stuck with no ammo thing

[silver pollen]

Oh, mechanicus are whiny ***** who mostly have no idea, what the hell are they even doing. Lasgun isn't even their own invention. It is the weapon of better, more civilized society.

[crimson kayak]

I mean, there is a reason it's said that field-loading the mags deteriorates them much faster

Yes, I may be able to shoot again, but before the end of the next mag the whole gun could blow up in my hands

And at that point just gimme a plasma gun stuck on overcharged so that Atleast my explosion can take out someone else other than me lol

[celest cedar]

Loose Cannon's not a fan of the Emperor..

[crimson kayak]

i mean, he is a also a step away from deserting and fucking off on his own most of the time

[celest cedar]

and getting picked on by the other 2 vets for being so criminal

[terse flume]

cadian vet is also pretty skeptical about divine intervention of any kind

all the rejects were in prison for a reason

[celest cedar]

Cutthroat is just as faithful as Professional. it's just that Cutthroat's more on the practical side of things.

Loose Cannon is well. They even start asking if the god the heretics worship isn't as wrong as everyone thinks.

[orchid lark]

Centrist behaviour

[terse flume]

loose cannon also complains a lot about demon dreams, he's like two thirds traitor

interesting as an example of someone in the corruption process

[celest cedar]

it is definitely concerning

Slowly the seeds of doubt is taking place.

[terse flume]

well like, is corruption a one way street. can u get in a bad situation and get a little corrupted, then be redeemed or whatever

[green loom]

There's an inquisitor in the uhh

Hyperion books I think

Who slept with a reformed chaos cultist

[celest cedar]

nice

[terse flume]

which kind

slaneesh nice, nurgle not so nice

[celest cedar]

former slaanesh cultist

bet he/she knows a few.....tricks

[green loom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8ec6m7/book_excerptemperors_gift_grey_knight_talks_with/

[terse flume]

so okay there is - here is my core question. corruption is both but is it a primarily social phenomena or a paranatural one

are there chaos perspective books

[green loom]

It seems to start as a social thing

But the more you actually get into it the more weird and warpy it gets

And the deeper you as a person sink into the hole

[summer rover]

eh, there's books where you see the chaos perspective, but that's to contrast. i think beastslayer does it best, you see things from the chaos warriors, the chaos cultists, and the people under siege from both.

ends up driving home what a fixed game serving the chaos gods is.

[green loom]

Yeah once you're in deep enough for blessings and rituals start to have real effects

You're probably in too deep

Except in AoS where elite Chaos Warriors have been purified

[terse flume]

cause i'm in too deep and i'm trying to keep - all the spikes from my head, instead of over and under (instead of over under again)

there are people the imperium classifies as corrupt and traitor who like, aren't

thinking of the tau guys that sound like che guevara. chegavists?

[green loom]

Yeah because it's a horrible dystopia that clamps down hard on infractions

Guevesa?

[terse flume]

yes, those guys are like, what we would traditionally call turncoats

rather than betraying a country for the abstract concept of chaos

_Needless to say, Gue'vesa are considered the worst kind of Traitors to the Emperor of Mankind and are believed by the Ecclesiarchy to have been spiritually corrupted for willingly associating themselves with a xenos culture. _

like these guys are traitors on an axis unrelated to the traitor gods

and as such have no supernatural corruption at all, and are purely the social model of corruption. i think

[green loom]

The Imperium venerates the human form and are supremacists
Joining and being subservient to aliens is basically blasphemy for them

[terse flume]

lol i never read this part

[crimson kayak]

wich is even funnier as often gue'vesa can still believe in the emperor after joining the tau

[green loom]

Yeah they get Tau approved sects of the Cult

[terse flume]

Many of the Gue'vesa can trace their origins back to the Damocles Gulf Crusade. When the first Imperial war against the T'au ground to a stalemate, the Imperial forces decided to retreat and redeploy their troops against a much more pressing threat in the Eastern Fringes of the galaxy, namely the Tyranid Hive Fleet Behemoth.

However, the withdrawal was so fast that many troops of the Astra Militarum were simply abandoned in T'au-controlled regions of space.

so like they're not so much traitors as they were betrayed

[green loom]

The Imperium makes no distinction

[terse flume]

but unlike 99.99% of the time when the imperium does that, they didn't immediately get eaten in response

[green loom]

I mean look at that new Indomitus Fleet that got gimped by the Murder curse

Vast swathes of it weren't even affected

But they were all listed as traitors

[terse flume]

so we have a third model of corruption, which is bureaucratic error which honestly yeah that tracks

[orchid lark]

RIP battlefleet quartus

Had to double check my homebrew story notes to make sure I didnt put my battlegroup as part of Quartus

[orchid lark]

Secessionists

A more boring way to say Renegade

IE the whole shit with Huron and the Maelstrom bullshit

Inb4 someone who never read the imperial armour books comes and say

Um ackhually huron was a traitor already

[celest dome]

Secessionist has a specific meaning though, not all renegades or Turn coat are secessionists

[orchid lark]

True dat

The Nova Terra thing

Was that Chaos?

I know the Moirae Schism was a mechanicus civil war

Same time as Nova Terra issues too I think

I think Nova Terra Interrugnum eventually became a chaos issue

Like big chaos issue

[storm jungle]

It basically starts as

social cult gatherings

worship and sick-fuck cult activities

mutations

demonic worship

spirals out of control from there

https://tenor.com/view/cult-gif-22810201

[storm jungle]

No one is a traitor in my eyes as long as they resist taxation

🫵

[celest dome]

I dont care who the Inquisition Sends, I am not paying Taxes

[orchid lark]

Be space marines and pay the less amount of taxes

[celest dome]

Still mean I have to pay taxes

[open pumice]

Soace marines dont make income and 5hus dont have to pay income tax

Truly

They are the freest of us all

[arctic talon]

They still pay gene seed tax

SMH

[storm jungle]

^

they aint no free lads

[arctic talon]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CsjbrkMNRTR/

heresyhammershow

Go buy your plastic Acheron on ebay apparently.

Whose been a naughty influencer and has been selling their early release copies early??

Photo courtesy of the

Instagram

Someone is getting sent to hell by GW lol

Plastic Acheron wasn't even announced yet

[green loom]

Plastic what

[storm jungle]

its a stupid tank

[arctic talon]

Its a Knight

[minor ingot]

you telling me space marines pay taxes by beating off

[storm jungle]

same thing

[arctic talon]

Still hilarious

[minor ingot]

Where the fuck do I sign up for this program

[storm jungle]

its a big metal box with guns

[arctic talon]

that someone leaked it

Because

GW knows who they sent

preview's to

[arctic talon]

no because the progonoid gland grows in the chest/neck

[green loom]

Maybe it's one of their warehouse people stealing things

[minor ingot]

I know, but it's still beating off

[green loom]

Or a plastic recast

Or they don't know what resin is

[arctic talon]

it prolly isn't a plastic recast

[storm jungle]

Its not. Cease lol

[arctic talon]

mostly since recasters only work with resin comercially

[green loom]

They could just be saying it to sell it off

[arctic talon]

that does not look like the forgeworld product

mostly since it comes in a bag

and not as a sprue

[winter vessel]

based on this map, is the moebian domain in or at least, near Segmentum Obscurus?

[summer rover]

no, it's over by that ork symbol i think.

we know it's in the same ballpark as cadia

[winter vessel]

the one near Segmentum Pacificus?

[crisp heath]

Honestly being near an ork empire makes sense since the Darktide also includes xenos threats

[winter vessel]

True. I guess I always thought we were on the other side of the Great Rift

[crisp heath]

Nah its pretty much confirmed it's in Imperium Indomitus

The astronomicon still works and some of the characters didn't even know the great rift existed

[winter vessel]

Still can’t believe there is an actual planet named BAKKA in Segmentum Tempestus

[crisp heath]

The felinids are from Carlos McConnell which is a much funnier situation imo

Also Cadia is in segmentum obscurus anyway

I'd put it close to the Pacificus and Solar borders, sort of tucked into that corner

[orchid lark]

Our mission now is to save them

[terse flume]

we cannot allow the furry planet to fall to corruption, slaneesh needs to work a little harder than that

[shadow plover]

pretty sure I recall it being mentioned being the same distance from Terra as Necromunda but to the opposite direction. So indeed the Cadia, Agripinaa ballpark

[crisp heath]

What's the closest equivalent of this meme in 40K?

[celest dome]

Tau colonising, Empire colonising

Or if 30k
Emperor's Children Colonising
Night lord colonising

Wait, Night Lord is Belgium
Rest are Britain

[astral whale]

Night Lords are the fucking Rhodesians.

[green loom]

It's called Sanctus

[orchid lark]

my home country has both of these

bonus for the Japanese Colonists during WW2

[crimson kayak]

my headcanon for that name is that he went to propose the felinids, then James Workshop went and told him he can do it but has to name their planet after himself

[celest cedar]

The brits went Sicko Mode on the entire world

[crisp heath]

And left a lasting legacy after its fall.

[coarse pumice]

the modern designs keep missing out the grille

[green loom]

You heard it here first folks, repressing the peasantry and window taxes are a good thing!

[green loom]

Oh god I just realized how blatant some of the references in Lions book are

"Galad"
"Launciel"
A blatant Green Knight reference

[crimson kayak]

Most of the Risen's names come from Arthurian legend yes

[green loom]

[orchid lark]

The Lion needs a guinevere

[crisp heath]

The Lion needs a Percival

[green loom]

Is it bad that I actually kind of like the Marines Malevolent

[celest dome]

I would like a story with one as PoV

[storm jungle]

You have one short story

also the Iron Kingdom covers them

[orchid lark]

they appear in the salamanders trilogy

[orchid lark]

theyre cool

most space marines are cool

[rose thorn]

‘Good vs evil’ 💀

[arctic talon]

tbh

Put tomb kings on the good side

and there might be an "argument"

still stupid lmao

[green loom]

I mean none of them should be good

[celest dome]

Used to be Neutral, like the Ogre iirc

[green loom]

High Elves are assholes, Dwarfs are highly stubborn assholes, Empire of Man hunt and kill people for heresy still and are a bunch of nutjobs
Bretonnia is a literal feudal dystopia
And the wood elves are psycho militant isolationists with a habit of hunting down people who get too close to their forest

[random valley]

Question what do you guys think about Flesh Tearers?

[green loom]

Killer colour scheme

Famed team killers

(so famed they were banned from reinforcing Cadia)

[random valley]

Yup

That’s practically the response I get every where

Thanks

[green loom]

They're much less reserved than regular BA

And play way more and way looser into the Red Thirst/Black Rage

Lot more brutal by default

Seth is something of a prideful asshole but I like him

Also Cretacia is a cool ass name for a homeworld

They're probably one of the more influential of the BA successors with Seth being pretty buddy buddy with Dante

Even if they disagree iirc

[random valley]

Yeah

[astral whale]

The Tomb Kings aren’t evil. They just want to raise a family.

[summer rover]

strange the dark elves aren't there.

[orchid lark]

a good representation of the Black side of the Black or Red Cultures of Blood Angels

Definitely better than those bastards that make up Knights of Blood

that said

its not like theres much stuff for other blood angel successors

[green loom]

Need to do our part to expand the noble Scions of Sanguinius into more flavors

[orchid lark]

i already am

got those 18 documents

got a blood angel successor called Argent Tyrants because i like how it sounds

[green loom]

Same here on the successor front

[green loom]

You ever notice just how many named characters the space wolves have?

And how all their company captains are named?

[undone zodiac]

Furry marines got fans lets just say

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Category:Characters_(Space_Wolves)

these fucking

NAMES

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-bttv-twitch-emote-gif-15123134

Theres at least 10 of these whos name ends with Fang

[green loom]

I know I checked

[storm jungle]

and 4 Svens

[green loom]

They have like twice the characters of the Ultras

And most of the named ultras are dead

[storm jungle]

Yeah its hilarious, god

[green loom]

They also

[storm jungle]

whoever named these characters legit needs to be bullied

[green loom]

in 999 m41

Took part in the War for Armageddon

The Siege of Fenris

A hunt for the wulfen across the galaxy

And the Battle of Cadia

The Iron Wolves are the only ones who lost their wolf lord until Sven died

The Iron Wolves lost two in like a month

But none of the others were destroyed or lost anyone notable

[coarse pumice]

They got flanderised

[storm jungle]

Nah some die

its more that theres literally so many

so it doesnt even matter

[storm jungle]

Also they always sucked

this isnt even anything new

its just multiplying

😩

[green loom]

Average Blood Angels campaign

Average Space Wolves campaign

(Their asses get saved, and they don't die despite a ton of veterans being massacred, somehow strong enough to run straight to Cadia)

[storm jungle]

you forget also disabling the Blackstone Fortress

[green loom]

Yeah but that at least got a ton of them killed

And Sven Bloodhowl dies in the attempt

[storm jungle]

THEY SHOULD HAVE ALL DIED DAMN IT

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[green loom]

Meanwhile Blood Angels

Worst part

I remember reading that during the Siege the like

One Runepriest who was maybe going to stabilise shit to help them recoup just dies

Alongside a massive portion of the chapter

But somehow they're still running around with 13 full great companies

[undone zodiac]

I remember the old rogue trader ultramarine that was human eldar halfbreed

[green loom]

Oh he's back btw

But he's a normal eldar now

[celest dome]

I though he was a normal human now

[undone zodiac]

[green loom]

No he's Eldrad's emissary

[undone zodiac]

The concept of havinh hald eldar and human character would be intresting

[storm jungle]

Eh no like

half-human races have always been lame

even in other fantasy settings like DnD

[celest dome]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Illiyan_Nastase#Conflicting_sources

[green loom]

And speaking of IRL examples the result would potentially be

Strange

[undone zodiac]

"Interracial marriage? Cringe"

[storm jungle]

Im talking about their babies you numbskull

Im not gonna put down ANYONE that wants to have at it

[green loom]

Yeah I mean

It might happen

It also just

Might not work

it's not like Tigers and Lions getting together

It's more like Monkeys and Marsupials

[storm jungle]

Yeah 40k is very big on different genetics between humans and aliens.

Rogue Trader had it because it was very much just a loose concept back then

[undone zodiac]

I mean just the concept for story

[green loom]

I HATE THE DAMN WOLVES

[undone zodiac]

If they leaned less on the wolf theme

They'd be decent

[green loom]

They really wouldn't, their lore usually sucks hard

[orchid thicket]

There were 29,000 marines defending Baal? Damn

[green loom]

Yep

As many of the BA successors they could muster up

[storm jungle]

Even ones that just appeared out of thin air for the book

very considerate of them

[green loom]

Yeah some cooler references too though

Like the Angels Vermillion

Who are pretty based aside from going nuts under their current leader, apparently

[terse flume]

it always implied that humans were like, atypically good at breeding among themselves genetically, since humans can apparently cross breed with like fuckin any other species

i always kind of liked that, like, if you had to define what long lived races would see in a human species it would be like "fuck me do you idiots not have a lot of kids"

basically humanity as young dumb and full of comeliness

[coarse pumice]

Nastase had an Eldar father and Human mother, reverse of the memes

[storm jungle]

I mean yeah but the concept itself has never been that interesting is the thing is my point, not the genetics.

[green loom]

We don't stan eugenics in this chat

[versed ledge]

Wait.... what's going on?

[torpid narwhal]

So how did primarcs have kids

Wouldn't his um... be super large

[green loom]

They didn't

[storm jungle]

None of them have yeah.

Even Fulgrim who has said to have multiple wives just had them for political reasons.

[torpid narwhal]

I thought abandon was the son of horus

[green loom]

They're not literal sons

[crisp heath]

Geneson

[green loom]

Abby is formerly one of the leaders of the Sons of Horus, the main traitor legion, who used to be called the Luna Wolves

[crisp heath]

He had Horus' DNA put inside him

er, implanted in him, medically

[green loom]

And very violently

[crisp heath]

All space marine's have a primarch's DNA implanted, so they all call their primarch "father"

[crimson kayak]

I mean, that's a given

[green loom]

Cursed smirking stormcast upon ye

[desert dust]

Easiest way to understand space marine creation is imagine they are cyborgs but instead of machines upgrading them they are fleshborgs filled with primach parts

[green loom]

They have 1 Primarch part, that came with Primaris

The rest are tailor made organs

Specifically designed for Astartes

[desert dust]

Well fleshy bits cloned from primarch DNA

[green loom]

They aren't cloned

At least not from Primarch DNA

Afaik

Because primarchs aren't human

And have their own messed up physiology

[rose thorn]

WHAT THR FICK IS THAT CHIBI ASS SHIt

[green loom]

It's AoS battle chess

[vocal drum]

survive the guard and be transported to 40k universe for 24 hours and when u return ur a billionaire yes or no

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/yuTkgi7scKo

[viscid bluff]

literally foxhole

[desert dust]

Yeah I know.
If you want the slightly longer one is.
Get normal base line human child.
Get space marine geenseed that contains primarch DNA use for making more space marines.
Grow all the organs in a lab so they are ready to implant.
Stick em in and watch that baby grow.

[green loom]

[torpid narwhal]

So are all the primarcs virgins then?

No wonder they are so angry

[arctic talon]

[terse flume]

they're like ken dolls down there, i bet

[winter vessel]

For sure, even Konrad did “normal stuff”

[upbeat moon]

as the lore is going rn i feel like the silent king should beat guiliman if they fight

cause silent king is susposed to be like uber powerful

[arctic talon]

Silent king is prolly gona shit on guilliman

If GW continues that plot point

For that warzone

Mostly since the imperium won 0 warzones lul

With the L’s ranging from decently sized

To large

[upbeat moon]

cause isnt guiliman not that great of a fighter compared to the other primarcs?

[arctic talon]

He’s not that great of a fighter

But he still shits on most duelists in most factions

[upbeat moon]

like i feel like the silent king should be able to dunk on like a majority of the other strong people in lore

[arctic talon]

He does

Lol

And so does his ship

It leveled most of a planet so it could use it as a landing pad

[orchid thicket]

They also grew up to adulthood by like 10 years old so things get weird real fast

[terse flume]

it's not explained how chaos managed to spirit them all away to a bunch of planets rigtht

yeah the emperor is like fuck we gotta make absolute sure these guys don't get eaten by chaos, so we are going to make the most powerful gellar field ever

hide it under a mountian

and chaos is just like robble robble!

[languid salmon]

didn't their mother do it or something like that?

[minor ingot]

We do not talk about Erda

HH novels have a lot of dumb shit in them

but Erda is by fay the dumbest

[languid salmon]

well they asked

[orchid lark]

Erda is cool

But stupid and wasted

[celest dome]

Happen all the time with BL. Start a cool idea but end up wasting it

[upbeat dagger]

this is probably totally not true but i just saw a crack theory that i kinda like: Sanguinius actually did kill Horus but fell to the black rage in the process; and The Emperor's heavy wounds were from being forced to fight a berserk sanguinius

also why the emperor hesitated so much, and why his hesitation was so costly

[crisp heath]

Yes yes big enjoyer of that

[green loom]

We dunno yet, we'll see in the next book, maybe

[silver pollen]

The Emperor doesn't know yet, that he is Horus...

[storm jungle]

It's not true yes, its a fan theory.

[storm jungle]

That's old lore, in the current book so far he seems pretty determined to wipe the floor with Horus.

[silver pollen]

Second thoughts in the last moment?

[storm jungle]

I mean either way it makes no sense

theres literally none of Horus left in there at that point and Big E is mad angry

[silver pollen]

Like whole Great Crusade affair or Space marines or Imperium or W40K in general...

[silver pollen]

Ok, fair.

[storm jungle]

We're talking about him hesitating to kill Horus

[celest cedar]

Would the reapers from mass effect stood a chance against the Imperium?

[orchid lark]

Yeah

Reapers are just cool

It took what

5 chapters and bunch of navy personnel to destroy a necron world engine

[celest cedar]

But how would the reapers travel through the waro though?

[orchid lark]

They dont?

They have in built Mass Effect drives dont they?

I can’t remember

Mass Relays

[celest cedar]

I cant remember

I don't think they have an in built mass relay themselves

[silver pollen]

Nope

[celest cedar]

Since I remember Shepard blowing an entire system just to stop the reapers

[orchid lark]

Reapers are cool

They can go toe to toe imperium no problem

[green loom]

They don't need the mass relays to travel around, it just takes longer

[storm jungle]

you'd also need to sacrifice at least an entire navy group to kill any of them

and thats a massive if lol

[silver pollen]

No mass relay in Warhammer galaxy and kinda different energy output of ship weapons. Logistically Imperium would have no problems of Reapers switching mass relays off and the size of Reaper fleet isn't that impressive if to compare with what Imperium can put in the table.

[storm jungle]

Again this is also imperium copium

[orchid lark]

The imperium gets a pyrrhic victory

No way they can come back after a reaper invasion

Mass effect 3 endgame scale

[silver pollen]

They need mass relays to keep civilizations in the same areas and isolate them when time comes to pick one by one.

[storm jungle]

I mean not really

they can just go ahead and kill them no problem

its literally what necrons do

[terse flume]

it wouldn't just be the imperium they'd be coming to wipe everything out, and like i dunno if they are presented as being able to handle like

all tyranids, all chaos

[orchid lark]

Ork Reapers

[storm jungle]

im more of a Flood enjoyer myself

[orchid lark]

Its him

Marauder Orks

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-flood-transformation-zeroxionxz-gif-22396957

[orchid lark]

Youre such a loser

[storm jungle]

AAA

[orchid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-look-frog-what-did-you-say-gif-8287956

[celest cedar]

Reaper indoctrinated Tyranid

[silver pollen]

Would that even work?

[terse flume]

the 40k universe very much seems like that game you play when you're a kid and you're like, well it's my turn and i make my guy ten trilliondy billiondy strong

[green loom]

The Protheans was pretty advanced and the most they managed to do was grind the reapers into a super long war where they rarely ever won

[celest cedar]

I imagine the grand scale of the Imperium is enough to at least level, if go over the reapers playing field.

[storm jungle]

Entirely and perfectly true lol

most 40k fans say they'd beat any sci-fi universe when they dont realise your REGULAR star trek crew member has a phaser that can insta-kill a space marine

[orchid lark]

Imperium only fans not realising the Imperium is the weakest, BECAUSE they always in my books

[orchid lark]

Not accepting the MILITARY designed ships in Star Trek of any faction is designed FOR PURE WAR

[celest cedar]

I mean the nids are sentient. At least with the hive mind. Indoctrinating sentient beings is pretty much the reapers MO

[silver pollen]

Yet they used mass relays. And mass effect weapons. And most of the tech which reapers faced again and again and again.

[orchid lark]

any 40k ship can beat the enterprise

Yeah well no shit

Its a scientific vessel

[storm jungle]

Also like

Reapers lose because they are the bad guys

[green loom]

The reapers already fought the Nids

[storm jungle]

also shepherd has hella plot armor

[green loom]

They're called the Rachni

[orchid lark]

Even then he dies

[storm jungle]

Its the same as how the Flood is literally a galaxy ending threat but some guy in a green power armor beats em willy nilly

[orchid lark]

Master Chief can beat an average space marine

[terse flume]

if you're getting the peanut butter in the chocolate here you'd have to go down the road of like, are reapers meaningfully corrupted by chaos, are they present in the immeterium, isn't this kind of why we wrote a bunch of BS in the necron lore to get around this

[orchid lark]

BUT

Can Master Chief

Beat a Master Chief Equivalent space marine

Thats the real fight

[storm jungle]

can Guilliman's armor jerk him off?

[silver pollen]

That's why I hate crossovers. It is either bending setting to favor certain side or just plain curbstomping.

[orchid lark]

It fits

One

Female

Eldar

[storm jungle]

Bad bot

[green loom]

Can master chief beat Shas'O Kais

[orchid lark]

Nah

[storm jungle]

now thats a question

[orchid lark]

OKais is badass

[green loom]

"B-but he's just a Tau!!!!"

[orchid lark]

Punch John in his stupid farm boy face

[green loom]

Kid named destroyed Dark Angels successor

[storm jungle]

Kid Named Finger

https://tenor.com/view/donotwant-mike-breakingbad-gif-4668587

[orchid lark]

Master Chief when Battle Brother Lord Master Chief arrives to the fight

https://tenor.com/view/the-punisher-gif-22731535

[storm jungle]

can Walter White survive the 40k universe?

[orchid lark]

Ye s

[celest dome]

Would he be a Tzeentch Cultist or a Slaanesh one ?

[orchid lark]

Medical Treatments are probably more affordable

Im sorry but I have cancer

[green loom]

"i am your host unpronounceable name and today we're going over 40 facts about Breaking Bad universe"

[orchid lark]

“We’re gonna slot you in for the rejuv and chemo in 2 standard months, please return home Mr Whitus”

[silver pollen]

Depends on how and where he appears.

[storm jungle]

Walter White when the Warp daemon known as Can'cer walks in:

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

[orchid lark]

His brother in law Arbitrator Hank

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[green loom]

His brother
In LAW

[storm jungle]

"Walt, I dunno man, you've been acting pretty heretical lately. It's almost like we got a heretic among us."

[silver pollen]

Wouldn't Walter be a teacher in Schola?

[storm jungle]

our question was sarcastic

[orchid lark]

?

[silver pollen]

On second thought, why would Walter teach chemistry... Like, to whom?

[orchid lark]

Waltus Whit

[storm jungle]

MR STORMCAST DONT TAKE ME TO HELL

AAAA-

[orchid lark]

And his partner Jessius Pinkmannus

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[green loom]

He says this like

5 times in the tutorial

And it's always the same sound file reused

[silver pollen]

I beg to disagree, my soul belongs to the Throne. You have no power here.

[storm jungle]

my guy legit went

[orchid lark]

just saw those Invocator models

[storm jungle]

"No I wanna feed a selfish god whos gonna tear apart my soul"

[orchid lark]

I think I like them

[green loom]

I'm doing my part!

[orchid lark]

master chief would hands down lose against a sister of silence

[silver pollen]

Fine, now I'm calling Rannick...

[storm jungle]

its those mommy powers

🫵

[orchid lark]

my head hurts, but those

dang it

[silver pollen]

Well, sister of silence is OP combatant.

[silver pollen]

Take this but use it wisely:

milkеrs

[storm jungle]

[orchid lark]

is that delicious

[silver pollen]

is that horrific

[vale shuttle]

Sisters of Silence are the best they're goth girls

[orchid lark]

are they?

[vale shuttle]

that's why GW won't make them a 40k army

[orchid lark]

i thought they would be more like

preppy

[vale shuttle]

nah they're all sad and shit due to everyone hating them because blank

[silver pollen]

Shouldn't SoS be part of Kustodes? If we speak about exactly army.

If I recall the related book about return of Rowboat correct.

[vale shuttle]

they are a part of Custodes, but they could be their own army like they are in 30k

[orchid lark]

I love the Culexus Assassins

Uncle Culexus to most SoS I guess

[silver pollen]

Can't you make SoB goth chapter? Or how are they organized...

[celest dome]

More like nephew Culexus to most SoS. Like an Hyperactive kid

Not as much as thr Eversor kid though

[celest cedar]

You don't know Breaking Bad til you watch a 2 hour character video essay about Finger

[vale shuttle]

i mean sure but the sisters of silence and the sisters of battle are very different...

[storm jungle]

What do you mean

they are both women

that makes them pretty similar doesn't it

[vale shuttle]

this is just like r/grimdank picking sisters of battles' theme song

they picked "girls just wanna have fun"

:|

[celest cedar]

california girls

wait werent there a california girls parody

sister of battle version

[vale shuttle]

maybe but i stopped listening to "fandom parody songs" when i grew out of minecraft parody songs at age 13

[celest cedar]

https://youtu.be/nph-p-vVXQU

found it

[silver pollen]

I like that artist.

[celest dome]

Bolter to Kokoro ?

[silver pollen]

Yup, thanks for reminding.

[crimson kayak]

So, considering how vermintide fourth classes are all heavy upgrades for both story/power level wise for the characters, what do you think possible darktide fourth classes should be themed about?

[celest dome]

I don't think it will be like that

[celest cedar]

sharpshooter becomes tempestus scions

[crimson kayak]

Eh, it's more of a what if born out of boredom

[celest cedar]

female zealots become sisters

[celest dome]

But:
Zealot -> Crusader; Death Cult Assassin; Enforcer (+Cyber Mastiff)
Vet -> Squad Leader/Commissar; something; Stormtrooper (+ Hellgun ability)
Ogryn -> Gunlugger; Bodyguard; ???
Psyker -> Protectorate; Biomancer; Diviner

[celest dome]

Sister as Dlc archetype

[celest cedar]

only hair color available: white

but seriously a sister archetype would be awesome

[celest dome]

Only 1 SoB group has white hair stuff

[celest dome]

I think the Premium class will be replaced by having added archetypes

[crimson kayak]

Yeah that's surely the most probable thing

[celest cedar]

if they do add dlc archetypes. theoretically there would more than 1 subclass down the line

[celest dome]

Most likely gonna end with 3 class for each archetype

@crimson kayak
I think all/most of the Zealot class will come from here https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Adeptus_Ministorum

[sleek wigeon]

would have said Charonite for ogryn but iirc admech outlawed them because they had alien bits in their armor

[celest dome]

Yeah and it wouldn't work mechanically

[green loom]

Bone 'ead / bullgryn?

[sleek wigeon]

could go with Bulwarks?
Instead of guns they have throwing weapons like rocks or axes, almost like slayer bardin

in the way gunlugger would prioritise ranged, bulwark would be more melee focused

[celest dome]

1 of the Personality is already a Bonehead
Also Bullgryn is about 50% already there

[celest dome]

What is Skullbreaker if not a Bullwark

[sleek wigeon]

two handed weapons for Bulwark?
idk I'm just going off what I can find on the 40K wiki

[celest dome]

Why would they be restricted to Bulwark ?

Honestly I think FS will have to invent something

[sleek wigeon]

class identity
every one of em has their unique weapons
skullbreaker has gg and shield, gunlugger will have some unique guns (100% autocannon), so Bulwark, being the melee-heavy berserker type, would be perfect for a unique 2-hander

ah

that's what the "difficult and unstable technologies" was

[storm jungle]

That was probably just the artist using it as backpack reference

but yeah the issue is getting GW's say so which is the incredibly annoying part.

They pretty much nitpick almost any addition down to the shirtless option lol

[green loom]

Any Miguel fans

[sleek wigeon]

wait
did...did GW kill shirtless?!?!

[storm jungle]

Thats most of everyones guess

since it was said that the cosmetic options entirely go through them first

like down to what class they want to add, the weapons etc

its very stupid

[sleek wigeon]

sounds it

[storm jungle]

yeah Fatshark revealed that this was the fact during Vermintide 2's late development

[sleek wigeon]

still pretty silly to do
I'd rather GW give them freedom and then sort out the lore later, might be why stuff like the attachment system didn't happen

even if it would have made some sense for these guys to modify their guns (penal legion and all, see Savlar Chem Dogs), has the roadblock of admech in-lore executing people for that under heresy

[remote widget]

Is the emperor semi-canonically jesus

Grimdank is going mental over it

[sleek wigeon]

lolwut

[celest dome]

That said, there were leaked Shirtless cosmetics

[storm jungle]

yeee

[storm jungle]

No lmao

GW has never outright said the Emperor was any historical figure ever

because its stupid and would be really unnecessary

[celest dome]

Most case where the Emp say he was this or that could also be him be lying

[storm jungle]

IP protection is literally nothing about how Star Wars is doing

its still making a shit ton of money

its just that the material sucks

[celest dome]

In a way, SW is much more succesfull than the sum of Warhammer games

[storm jungle]

^

also GW's policy doesn't really help them in anything, 3rd party companies still copy and sell their models

Its pretty much the same as the 40k fanbase in that regard tbh

people acted like Alfabusa putting 40k on a hiatus was anything important when your normal GW buyer will still keep buying minis

Eh kinda

Warhammer is really not as big as people think it is

its popular sure but peopel are well more inclined towards other nerd IPs like Dungeons and Dragons or Magic the Gathering

GW's unwillingness to also branch out doesnt help

[celest dome]

Putting DnD aside, Magic and other such game have bigger following of the core hobby than GW

[orchid lark]

Im just gonna say it

Alfabusa and his hardcore fans were bad for community

[storm jungle]

Nah

[orchid lark]

To SOME degree

[storm jungle]

Alfabusa is a good man

its his fans that are god awful

[orchid lark]

True dat

[storm jungle]

Like

when writign a TTS episode Alfa just writes a joke and is like "Hah yeah that sounds funny for this part"

then people take it

and spam it

[orchid lark]

That was a death bell for me

When TTS got a bit TOO referenced everywhere

[storm jungle]

Thats pretty much it yeah

[orchid lark]

Harry Potter is marketed to the shits

[storm jungle]

its mostly due to GW just not really not knowing what to do with it

[crystal forum]

you've just described a fandom meme

[storm jungle]

Correct.

[random valley]

Sounds a lot like Kreig shovel jokes

[storm jungle]

but yeah basically GW could have passed off anything they made WH+ wise to another platform and it would increase warhammer a bit more popularity wise even if its small

but they are INCREDIBLY protective of their IP

[celest dome]

His Darkness content is nicer

[orchid lark]

Netflix would’ve just cancelled the 40k shows lmao

[crystal forum]

GW still hasnt copyright striked alfa's videos

[orchid lark]

I dont think they should

[celest dome]

Parody/Fair use ?

[random valley]

There mostly all gone now sadly

[crystal forum]

they could with youtube's shitty copyright strike system

[celest dome]

They are all still there

[orchid lark]

Theyre not gonna pay an intern to go through it

[random valley]

I cant find them odly

[orchid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-look-frog-what-did-you-say-gif-8287956

Youre banned from it

[crystal forum]

would it hold up in court? hell no, TTS is 100% fair use due to parody

[random valley]

D:

[orchid lark]

It might just be demonitized

As long as Alfa isnt getting money from it

[crystal forum]

who knows the levels GW would go to. nintendo has taken down streamers for less

[orchid lark]

Technically i would need to be held in court for fanart because im still drawing their IP

[random valley]

It’s been a while sense I watched it but season 1 has like 9 episodes right?

[summer rover]

wiki's bad, don't trust the wiki.

[orchid lark]

Theres a lot of legal precedent

That none of us are qualified to talk on

[crystal forum]

taken down yes but alfa could put the videos back up after removing the offending parts. my point is that GW has no legal grounds for a lawsuit or anything, though you don't need to be legally right to abuse youtube's system

[random valley]

I don’t remember season 1 having 9 episodes though

Unless it did and I have a bad memory

[summer rover]

technically GW doesn't need legal grounds, the paperwork to deal with them trying to sneak one past the courts would be enough to ruin most fanworks.

[crystal forum]

the main part is damages. a lawsuit requires proving that you've lost revenue because of a copyright infringement. i don't think any judge would agree that alfa has taken fans away from 40k with his videos

but hiring a lawyer is expensive

[orchid lark]

Is Alfa american?

I thought he was some scandi

[crystal forum]

he'd have to go to court in california's system because that's where youtube is based

[orchid lark]

That’s interesting

[crystal forum]

youtube abides by california laws

[orchid lark]

Fuck it GW sue the man, I wanna see something crazy happen

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1058456727021965315/1067564431778775050/FDD1DFEB-2CD1-41E7-A3A8-B9838C7EDEB8-1.gif

[crystal forum]

i don't think alfa wants to spend money on american lawyers and that's understandable

[orchid lark]

I love Schadenfreude

They just hate him?

(Jokes)

[random valley]

Honestly I’m surprised I still see fan animated Warhammer stuff on YT

[storm jungle]

Yeah this is just nonsense

Alfa stopped because youtube is basically his job and he just didn't want to risk his content getting slashed

which is entirely fair

even if he was never on GW's radar

[orchid lark]

[crystal forum]

i don't think we'll see GW being super litigious until warhammer+ happens because then they'll probably hire a copyright company that automatically strikes any videos mentioning a topic. yes companies do this and yes they can get away with it

[orchid lark]

He took the smart choice

And survived for his own honour

[crimson kayak]

basically same thing that the guy developing chapter master did, without the being his job part

[orchid lark]

Can only commend the man

[crystal forum]

youtube is a very unreliable source of income but i think alfa gets enough from patreon and stuff

[random valley]

Yeah

[orchid lark]

He should just go back to meme videos of utter bullshit

I loved those ones way back when

[storm jungle]

His Hunter content is honestly way better than TTS tbh

it helps that its basically an animated series too

he literally made an episode about Not-Emperor going to a fucking 2002 store to buy a blender for like 40 minutes and its SO entertaining

[random valley]

His style has definitely improved sense he started the Hunter series

[jovial glacier]

Alfa is father iirc now too

[storm jungle]

Yeee he has a kid

[green loom]

300k+ A YEAR??????

[storm jungle]

like i said above i dont really blame him for putting TTS on hiatus, at least its not dead or terminated

[green loom]

Is this guy 5?

[storm jungle]

his current income is uh

DAMN SON

even this is not that bad

[random valley]

Yeah didn’t he actually finish part 3 just not release it?

[green loom]

Whoever thinks they would've touched Alfa is delusional tbh

[storm jungle]

Uh kinda, they were mid-production iirc

[green loom]

They have no grounds

[storm jungle]

Also yeah lmao

[random valley]

Yeah makes sense

[green loom]

Just being a parody would kill anything they tried

[jovial glacier]

Also didn’t one of cawls vas die?

[green loom]

+PR uproar

Like

[storm jungle]

No?

[green loom]

All the anims they got

[storm jungle]

what are all these rumours

[green loom]

Had all them agreeing to go on, or stopping/doing it free

[storm jungle]

also yeah this

[green loom]

Because their problem wasn't the use of their content

It was the use of the IP and making money off it

Which is something they can act on

[storm jungle]

I have a friend in Alfa's server who did some artwork for their episodes and he said thats more or less the case, they just agreed to stop for now and focus on the Hunter content

a lot of people that did TTS are behind Hunter too

like almost pretty much everyone i think lmao

[torpid narwhal]

i have thought about that

[green loom]

It's always been Alfa+friends

All the way back to this

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flm69vEr26U&t=76s

[storm jungle]

theres a lot of effort behind every episode

[torpid narwhal]

there would be no real reason to give them those

[green loom]

Most of these guys have taken part in TTS

[torpid narwhal]

witchfinder are you are dev

[green loom]

Warden=discord mod

[torpid narwhal]

just wondering because they are very interactive with people here

[orchid lark]

Maybe I should add my OC name and rank to this server name

[crimson kayak]

lol, i remember talking and roleplaying with a good bunch of them on the forums

[orchid lark]

Dilara is pretty much just RPing anyway

[jovial glacier]

Devs are on their bi monthly tri monthly well earned break

[green loom]

Mine would be "High King Matthias"

[orchid lark]

Lord Commander Ahdash

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[green loom]

This calls for art!

After I finish these sisters

[orchid lark]

Siscon

Disgusting

[green loom]

I mean his content is good

And is way more fresh than

Adeptus whatchimacallit

[orchid lark]

Oh them

Uh

[celest dome]

Ridiculous ?

[green loom]

Yes

[orchid lark]

Adeptus Ridiculous?

Alfa Legion is easily 3x better

[green loom]

The Bricky/Shy/3rd guy I don't know thing

As much as I love and adore Bricky

[orchid lark]

I miss BigDickCheney

The best warhammer content maker

[green loom]

The guy who catalogued the entirety of the Dawn of Wars?

[orchid lark]

Yeah

[green loom]

He was based

[orchid lark]

Good music choices

Makes it all cinematic

I kinda still watch IndridCasts and MaestroCasts

[random valley]

We all do

[orchid lark]

For the DoW2 comp stuff

DoW2 just has good sound desig

Pleasant to hear in the background

[green loom]

I miss FluffyNinjaLlama

[random valley]

Love the DoW3 Guard themes they work so well with Enlisted and other such types of games

[orchid lark]

Darktides music keeps me going

Love the mission complete song

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJs6eWw2Ulo

[random valley]

Obviously Disposal Unit Imperium mix is my fav

[storm jungle]

Its mostly because general-chat is just nothing but a toxic sludgepit, memes is basically taken over by people posting stupid cat gifs or being hor-ny or just posting unfunny memes every day.

I feel like lore is the safest place I can hang out in lol

Also if i say anything here people wont witch hunt me like they do in #general-chat

[orchid lark]

Memes is where the nazis are

[storm jungle]

that too lol

[orchid lark]

[storm jungle]

[random valley]

Yeah

[orchid lark]

Kriegers and Black Templars

[storm jungle]

My favorite part of memes is the users want us to police it but when we police it they get mad at us, so thats fun.

[orchid lark]

[green loom]

General chat is a broken record that repeats the same cycle minimum 12 times a day

[storm jungle]

Yeah this

like its just not fun anymore

[torpid narwhal]

so what is your take on primarchs having penises or not

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[storm jungle]

I dont mind them having them but i might be biased so

[random valley]

If I’m going to be 100% honest Kreig memes are the worst

[celest dome]

They do

[green loom]

Lore is the most normalest chat

[random valley]

[orchid lark]

Proportionate to their height

[torpid narwhal]

what would be the purpose though. they are made for war.

[green loom]

Or I guess civilized is a better word

[orchid lark]

Piss

Just

[torpid narwhal]

he could have made them not to

[orchid lark]

Take the toxins out

[celest dome]

They still were made from human (male) stock

[orchid lark]

They have kidneys

[storm jungle]

Yeah we dont have any devs here, its only Catfish or Hedge but they entirely stick to announcements because they are hella busy being the community's punching bags

[orchid lark]

So they gotta have dicks

[green loom]

You may have noticed whenever Catfish shows up she gets

@delicate saffron continuously

[celest dome]

Yeah, and he could also have made them to not be stupid but he was to stupid to even do that

[green loom]

For hours

Wait what

[green loom]

This was an accident

[torpid narwhal]

idk its kinda sus. its a fact they have never given proof of having them.

[celest dome]

All hail false @green loom

[storm jungle]

Its mostly because none of the authors want to talk about primarch dicks

[celest dome]

I think there is some mention of one of the Primarch having wives, so I'd say most likely

[green loom]

And are likely not allowed to

[crimson kayak]

tbf there's also nothing stating they don't

[torpid narwhal]

you cant prove that

[celest dome]

Do the Primarch have pinky toes

[random valley]

Probably

[crystal forum]

do primarchs have armpit hair or has the emperor removed all biological flaws

[green loom]

Anyone remember OneMindSyndicate?

[torpid narwhal]

thats what im asking

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

What even happened to him

[torpid narwhal]

it would only makes sense

[storm jungle]

im gonna search him on youtube

brb

[random valley]

Good luck

[arctic talon]

There are

[storm jungle]

HES STILL

[arctic talon]

Warhammer crime has romance stuff

[storm jungle]

MAKING 40K VIDEOS

[green loom]

Nothing I don't think, they're just not relevant/talked about anymore since more content creators have shown up and the scene isn't just them and 40ktheories

[storm jungle]

also yeah it seems to be the case

because uh

https://www.youtube.com/@OneMindSyndicate/videos

these got barely any views

[random valley]

Sad

[storm jungle]

I kinda feel bad but its kind of what you get for beign a lazy content creator

[random valley]

Fair

[torpid narwhal]

is it weird i am so invested in this topic

[storm jungle]

No its normal

[green loom]

Yeah I mean

[storm jungle]

but I got my eye on you

[green loom]

Reading from the wiki

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Word for word

[storm jungle]

also yeah lmao

[green loom]

In a dead, monotone voice

Is not content

[storm jungle]

Like if he advertised his channel as like

"hey guys i read wiki articles"

[celest dome]

There has been some couples and stuff, and even romance but it's rare

[storm jungle]

I FEEL like people would actually listen to that

literally just audiobook your channel for articles

[green loom]

I forget if he read Fandom or Lex

[storm jungle]

i always wanted a 40k channel like that

[torpid narwhal]

the emp just seems to be the type of dude who would get rid of anything that would get in the way of non stop war

[arctic talon]

Both

[storm jungle]

Yeah but Primarchs are suppose to be Mega-Giga-Humans

[arctic talon]

It depebds

[green loom]

You could probably volunteer on the Lex and have them all linked there

[celest dome]

The Emperor is also the type of dude to be too stupide to manage it in a good way.
Also the Primarch have personality, they aren't mindlessly aimed at war

[green loom]

Though corrections/new lore would be a pain in the asshole

[crystal forum]

gaunt fucks an aggri world girl in a book

[green loom]

I'd do it if I had a better mic and voice

[crystal forum]

it's very brief

[torpid narwhal]

did belisaruis make the primarchs?

[green loom]

Cain sleeps with many people

[orchid lark]

No

He aint smart enough

[torpid narwhal]

i will not accept this slander

[celest dome]

No, Emp. Edra, and other nameless people

[orchid lark]

lots of people

[celest dome]

Not like Emp was any smarter

[crystal forum]

don't forget the moon people

[orchid lark]

the sellenites

[arctic talon]

They did like

Half the work for primaris

Cawl just finished it

[crystal forum]

cawl is like 20 people so he's cheating

[arctic talon]

Lol

True

Also one of them is from the original space marine

Program

[torpid narwhal]

belisaruis is best boy

[random valley]

Every time I think of Primaris I always think of those dumb Dreadnoughts

[orchid lark]

hes an ugly old man

[arctic talon]

They don’t look that dumb

Imo

More dumb award goes to desolation launchers lul

Or whatever the fuck they’re called

[torpid narwhal]

he is an alpha chad

[random valley]

So true

[torpid narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-chad-gif-18386674

[crystal forum]

if you were the emperor in the 21'st century what would you do

[orchid lark]

what could you do?

[summer rover]

get stabbed for my kicks in detroit

[random valley]

Nothing. The only thing I would change what the Emperor did at all is tell the Primarchs about Chaos

[green loom]

Sit in a basement and post online on obscure message boards about the "Empire of Tomorrow"

[random valley]

So Alternate History Hubs April 1st video

[crystal forum]

i would hang out in the woods and pretend to be bigfoot

just imagine, you have thousands of years with nothing to do but you're also the most powerful being humanity has ever produced

[crimson kayak]

get a guard speeder

and the torso gun jump trooper

[random valley]

He looks so contempt

[summer rover]

man, a land speeder with a turret heavy plasma gun woulda been choice...

[sleek wigeon]

oh god what happened to the guy on the left

someone looney tunes'd his fucking teeth out

[random valley]

Nah he’s just mildly annoyed

[celest dome]

Open a bakery

[crimson kayak]

tbh i think im gonna adopt Hylgar's Hellraisers just to be able to use this goofy stuff

[crystal forum]

this sounds oddly wholesome

[crisp heath]

Would it make sense for Squats to be on the Mourningstar as well? Or are they not on the best terms with the Imperium?

[sleek wigeon]

iirc squats are classed as xenos
sadly, not on first name basis with the imperium (shoot on sight?)

[crisp heath]

Damn 😦

[green loom]

Necromundan Squats are a thing

Bounty hunters maybe

[crimson kayak]

Not on sight, but they are enemies just as much as they are alliew

[torpid narwhal]

Who are the plague lords

[crisp heath]

Do you mean plague lord or?

[crimson kayak]

i mean, either that or he means the lord of contagion/virulence

[celest dome]

Squat yes
Kin no

[celest dome]

Mortal champions pledged to Nurgle

[torpid narwhal]

Heresy

[storm jungle]

Pledge yourself to deez Nurglings

[silver pollen]

I have just thought: would petting nurgling while being in a hazmat suit still give you all the possible diseases of Grandfather's collection?

[green loom]

You guys excited for skulls tomorrow?

[silver pollen]

50/50

[green loom]

It's supernatural, nothing really works

Unless it does

[silver pollen]

My expectations are quite low.

[green loom]

Idr when it is

[near wasp]

I will not pet the glitchlings

[celest dome]

Somewhat

[silver pollen]

Then they will pet you.

[remote widget]

On the topic of smelly people: Jurgen, does he actually know he is a blank?

[celest dome]

yes, think so

[remote widget]

It's not outright said in the 5/6 books ive gotten through, but he does sidle close to cain when warp is influencing, but that could just be him moving to cover cain, gunfire-wise

[storm jungle]

Im pretty sure he doesn't know

but its been like 84 years since I read the books so

[green loom]

He does

Or well

Vail told him

But he didn't care/understand

"A Mug of Recaff", Jurgen's very own short

[storm jungle]

bro

my man is literally Chewbacca

[green loom]

Best man fr

[silver pollen]

Wasn't Cain cycle made sort of "not-entirely-canon"?

[crimson kayak]

I consider it like everything else, Canon until something higher on the Canonicity food chain says otherwise

[storm jungle]

Cain's canonicity was iffy by like one author i think

and even then its like

"Who gives a shit, shut up boomer"

[silver pollen]

It's one of my fav books. I like that character a lot.

[green loom]

It doesn't really break canon ever

So it doesn't matter

It's a nice story

[silver pollen]

Well, thought so as well.

I recall Cain casually mentioning in one of books how prisoners were brought to the Schola for training - combat, torture, plain execution and etc.

So while his cycle is not grimdark to the degree of grimderp, it still shows how Imperium isn't that nice place to live.

[green loom]

It portrays how desensitized people are to it

When negotiating with the Tau

He meets a guevesa diplomát

And he's genuinely disgusted by her

Then after talks begin, the water caste guy recommends her as an envoy for a diplomatic mission
And Cain and his buddy go, and I quote
"she'd by lynched within a week"

Pretty much immediately

Imperial society despises traitors so much, that even Xenos are safer

[silver pollen]

Well, that's... normal.

For humans, I mean.

[green loom]

Also a few days ago someone posted an excerpt from a 40k crime novella

Where they enter a facility that makes servitors

VERY unsavory

[silver pollen]

Yeah, I know how and from what they are done.

Hell, our medicae servitor in game sometimes seems to have some remnant of consciousness and self-aware.

Still, for all the horrors of Imperium, I like books about common mortals like Cain - who fight to protect Imperium with bravery said Imperium may have not deserved, but also to protect simple citizens with all their flaws and petty wishes.

[undone zodiac]

"Traitors reward is death" and all that

[silver pollen]

And for that part I can't blame Imperium.

[remote widget]

By Cains and vails own admissions, he, and all the other "book quote" sections, are untrustworthy narrators, which is useful to protect canon, as you can just say, they lied, were misinformed, or it was the result of propaganda/zealotry

Looking at you, Sulla

[undone zodiac]

Cain and vail cringing sulla's penpal level writing

[silver pollen]

Hope, Sulla never had the chance to read Cain's memoirs...

She respected and admired him a lot.

[desert dust]

I don't know if you ever head the audiobooks but they got a great voice delivery for Sulla.

[summer rover]

the chaos gods aren't even real in 40k, they're aspects of the emperor's terrible mental state since he never does self-care.

[storm jungle]

Finally, I have been waiting to use my meme somewhere

[green loom]

Ayoink

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

it took me like 10m to make but god its so accurate

[green loom]

The full video is so confusing

Shao Khan you must stop shao Khan
Shao Khan
Shao Khan you must stop

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Its still peak cinema

"KILLING IS MY HOBBEEE"

[green loom]

Is that Dilara™ Emp armour?

[storm jungle]

Hm?