40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

Yeah the HH model hasnt aged well

cant believe what they done to him

😔

[green loom]

Maybe I should

Draw him

[echo vault]

Forge world models usually have good charm despite their flaws

[coarse pumice]

Show Magnus

[echo vault]

Like all the chaos dwarf forge world models are amazing

[storm jungle]

Kind of

most are goofy af

[storm jungle]

[echo vault]

They're tall hatted slavery dwarves why not be goofy aaa

[crisp heath]

Chaos is only good when it's goofy

[storm jungle]

Hashut demands tower hats

we obey

[crisp heath]

Chaos goofy = good
Tyranid goofy = bad
I hath spoken

[echo vault]

Tyranid gooey = very bad

[storm jungle]

Tyranids get everywhere

and are pretty coarse and irritating

[crisp heath]

Idk I like a gooey tyranid

[storm jungle]

[echo vault]

If you ever need like motivation fast just do the chaos dwarf HASHUT HASHUT chant in your head it's stupid but helpful

You really feel like an overseer

[crisp heath]

Red you have discovered the power of mantras and are a short step away from attaining nirvana

[storm jungle]

Or turn to someone and say this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373256424068874260/1108740630617800744/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373256424068874260/1108740952924901447/df8987f9-a3dd-4d78-afdc-abc4fed8e204.png

[echo vault]

First time playing the chaos dwarves it took so long to load the background audio of dwarves chanting got seared into my brain

[green loom]

That smile
That damned smile

Literally

[echo vault]

Drazhoath > Astragoth

[storm jungle]

Assragoth Dickhand my beloved

[echo vault]

He has a cooler hat, and he makes the kdaai why not like him

[green loom]

I like Drazh because Red supremacy

[storm jungle]

^

[echo vault]

Infernal ironsworn are baller

[storm jungle]

red is cool

also like

literally just get a mod of recruiting defeated legendary lords

go kill him

problem solved

[echo vault]

Drazh buffs the chaos dwarf things I like such as blunderbusses, ironsworn, and the vehicles

[storm jungle]

See above, again

[echo vault]

https://youtu.be/9cbvUgozkJo

[storm jungle]

im getting his fucking buffs either way

hand em over

[green loom]

Steal Steel

[echo vault]

Are you team iron demon or team skullcracker

[green loom]

I like Golden Demon

[reef kite]

In the game Zola is referred to as Explicator Zola, what exactly is that?

[green loom]

The definition for "Explicate" which "Explicator" seems to be derived from is "To analyse and develop in detail"

So I think it's just a fancy way of saying she's our trainer

Since she handles the rejects and their training

[reef kite]

And do we know what her actual job is?

I mean I’d assume she were an interragor, except there’s already an interrogator so whatever one step below that is

[green loom]

The Interrogator is Rannick

Also I just found the 40k version of the word

[storm jungle]

The Inquisiton also doesn't have too much of a hierarchy when it comes to retinue members, most roles tend to be made up on the spot for the person at hand.

[storm jungle]

Thats the one

Shes very much "This particular person Grendyl thinks might grow to be someone useful."

We are meanwhile at the VERY bottom as an Acolyte

[green loom]

I think we're more Proven Acolytes by the end

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[green loom]

I really hope Owlcat makes a Dark Heresy game next....

[storm jungle]

because you are basically Normal Goon/Elite Goon tier.

[storm jungle]

Seeing the hype and positive approval around Rogue Trader im very hopeful.

[green loom]

I mean they did make multiple Pathfinder games

So it's not too crazy to assume

Also the pain of wanting to move away from just drawing warhammer when there's so much cool stuff

[storm jungle]

hopefully they get the CA/Total War realisation if Rogue Trader ends up being super acclaimed.

aka

"wow these warhammer fans make for good piggy banks"

which is a fair assessment if your game is actually good

[green loom]

And it is

See they're smart and have difficulties ranging from "You prefer story and want to have fun" to "You hate yourself"

[storm jungle]

Yeah i always appreciate games with that option

as much as I love stuff like Hades i really am mostly there for the plot

especially when every character has 1 HOUR OF DIALOGUE

[green loom]

Wrath has some kickass writing

My first playthrough took 60 hours

On the easiest difficulty

[storm jungle]

Love it 💀

[echo vault]

I got some vanari wardens, I like elf spear walls

They have a lore master friend to help out

[storm jungle]

Hoplites are automatically cool in any setting they are in

https://tenor.com/view/phalanx-gif-21949743

[green loom]

Truly

[minor ingot]

Lol what are you talking about, people who are into 40k 9 times out of 10 are major rpg nerds as well

/tg/ is just 40k threads and rpg threads

40k is still sold in nerd stores that also have rpgs in it

Half of 40k tabletop gaming is about role-playing and putting your guys on the table

They're intrinsically linked hobbies

[crisp heath]

Honestly I'm expecting Rogue Trader to be the 40k game, Dawn of War 2 probably won't have shit on it in terms of Fandom popularity after a few years

The question is whether or not it will take off outside of the already existing fandom, which is iffy

The genre alone is going to circumvent a lot of issues that have historically plagued 40k games, it's going to have tons of lore for a lore-hungry fan base, it's based off the original incarnation of 40k (or was it FF's version? Anyway, brand recognition), and you get waifus. It would probably stick the landing without even trying, at least sales-wise, but everything I've seen so far suggests a genuinely amazing game.

[summer rover]

man, the 40k fandom doesnt want lore, they want fluff. it's probably not going to be enough pandering to most of the factions to make them happy and the game mechanics will probably be busted.

[orchid lark]

^

Lore is nice but, we kinda already have it

Fluff

The things surrounding the experience

Is kinda what I want more

Its just more nice to see

[minor ingot]

Exactly

We know the orphan crushing machine exists

I want to see it being used

[summer rover]

i mean you can see it being used in real life, you just go and watch people work at walmart.

but the problem is that the fluff is also a mess in 40k. there's no real coheasion, every army has fluff about how better their stuff is than everyone else and it's all sorta true but the fans want something to establish the fluff they like is more canon. basically, everyone in a games store playing 40k should take turns getting beat up by everyone else.

[minor ingot]

Pretty much, it's all situational

[summer rover]

40k is the most toxic fandom aside from all the worse ones.

:3

[minor ingot]

I mean I'm an imperial fanboy so I'm sure the rogue trader game and new show is going to be up my alley but I do like when the beat downs are communal, greater good style

also the new show will suck

[minor ingot]

Joker moment

[coarse pumice]

[orchid lark]

among us

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-look-frog-what-did-you-say-gif-8287956

[green loom]

The problem is there's too many factions to cover everything
Though I'm sure Dark Eldar fans will be happy to see Commoragh

[celest dome]

Plenty of Warhammer fans don't understand that Warhammer is way to big to cover everything at once

[green loom]

Wym bro Warhammer Battlefield with all the factions and and space Marines and and rpg systems is not wishful thinking with absurd expectations!

Those darned game devs just suck!

[celest cedar]

Battlefield 40000

[vale shuttle]

Warhammer PlanetSide you cowards

[celest dome]

But what would be the sides ? And classes

[celest cedar]

I imagine an Imperium vs Tau centered theoretical Battlefield game

[vale shuttle]

Tau Chaos Imperium. standard FPS classes (assault, medic, engineer, sniper, recon, etc) a "big unit" you can pull with a long timer that's either a CSM (psychic abilities), SM (melee focus), of battlesuit (ranged focus)

[celest cedar]

With the Imperium the ones invading.

[celest dome]

And Chaos as the 3rd faction I suppose

[green loom]

They either try assymetry(it won't work) or they don't try at all

Because the factions are too different

[orchid lark]

we did this already

Eternal Crusade

and it sucked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-nI-KkEpw4

[green loom]

I sometimes forget EC had Orks and Eldar

[orchid lark]

its only good in that it tried

it succeeded in showing that it needs a lot of manpower to make it work

balanced wise

a lot of ludo-narrative dissonance would have to take into consideration

[green loom]

Paid stuff was so expensive

[vale shuttle]

not reaaaaallllyyyy, because it totally failed to execute the concept

anyway i doubt that 40k planetside could ever be a thing cause as youy said it'd take a ridiculous amount of manpower

[orchid lark]

and ludonarrative dissonance

[vale shuttle]

frankly i doubt we'll ever get a good pvp 40k fps because it's hard to make good games

[orchid lark]

its gonna take a lot of people out of the experience

i like my space marines to feel like space marines, I want my orks to be lore accurate in that theyre slightly deadlier than marines but not as effective

i want eldar to zipping around

its a balance nightmare

[vale shuttle]

yeah which is why if there ever was a 40k fps it'd 100% be cultists vs imperial guard

or tau vs imperial guard

[orchid lark]

or you do it titanfall style

Space Marines as players, Guard and stuff as AI

but that limits to of the factions

well

you can add orks

you play as some type of nobz

and have gretchins and shittier orks as the AI

[green loom]

Focusing on anything but 1 faction is going to be a nightmare

If it's anything other than an rts

Or maybe rpg

[vale shuttle]

it's doable if the factions are similar

[orchid lark]

if they were

and thank god theyre not

[vale shuttle]

no i meant if the gameplay of the factions were similar

[green loom]

It's doable if the factions are marines

[vale shuttle]

like the gameplay of a cultists vs imperial guard game would not be that differnet on each side

[vale shuttle]

or that

[orchid lark]

cultist vs imperial guard, Ill just boot up and play Brink again

or CSGO

Cultist Terrorists have planted the bomb

[green loom]

Ok thisll be lucrative

Adeptus Arbites Galactic Offensive

[orchid lark]

Battlefield Hardline

[vale shuttle]

maybe space marine 2 will have multiplayer like 1 did

[orchid lark]

probably

[vale shuttle]

and then we can see how a 40k fps handles the modern gaming era

[orchid lark]

i just want the horde mode mostly for meself

space marine 2 isnt an fps

its a TPS

also an FPS Space Marine focused game is gonna be tough

because depending on the type of FPS you want to go

the player NEEDS to feel like theyre a space marine

there has to be a feedback to not pull you away from the immersive feel of being in power armour

like titanfall was a movement shooter

so the players can feel like they have the jets on their backs for the movement

Crysis had the nanosuit stuff and its modes to help players feel like theyre in the crysis suits

a third person shooter for Space Marines was probably the best choice SEGA did

because you can essentially see and better experience the feel of the space marine

you dont want a disconnect essentially

[green loom]

Fallout 4 power armour was goated

But could be improved

[orchid lark]

it was a good feel

but with the DLCs getting the Zealot armour was just better

[crimson kayak]

The funny stuff is that with all the things you guys listed Y'all forgot the most basic one.

You simply can't have too many player driven factions to not split the playerbase too much

And if it was match based you could just do some asymmetrical multiplayer, but then that would mean everyone has to play more than just their favorite faction

Probably the idea that could work the most would be a Kill-team kind of game

Instead of the massive battlefield/planetside clone everyone wants

[orchid lark]

theres too much little things that make 40k

40k

[crimson kayak]

Eh, there's a lot of stuff you can bend for gameplay reasons too

[orchid lark]

yeah but like i mentioned before

some ludonarrative dissonance can

just pull you out the bleed

if youre good enough you can hope no one notices it

but its like bioshock 1

why the hell would I stick a needle through my arm after a place crash

[green loom]

Ye ik

[crimson kayak]

Didn't see that one

[orchid lark]

Last of Us 2 with Ellie not going through the revenge, that shit boils my blood

[green loom]

If things get unpopular splitting it just 2 ways is already very bad

[orchid lark]

you go through

killing a lot of people

to just not kill the person you wanted to kill from the get go

IF druckmann wasnt so stupid, he wouldve given players the choice

kill people or no

then i would forgive the ending

[crimson kayak]

Ench why a match based killteam style could work better as it needs little to no premise

Like, have you looked at how half the killteams in tabletop even got to the Gallowdark? Most random shit ever

[orchid lark]

little kerfuffle in team deathmatch

as long as space marine 2 has a horde mode

im fine with any sins they do

[crimson kayak]

I just want to play a Gravis marine

As you know, assault as class is not a thing anymore

[orchid lark]

I want to use the Auto bolt rifle

thats all

rain hell

I want them to see only by the glow of my barrel

[green loom]

"What do you mean multiple endings have been the norm for more than a decade??? FOLLOW MY STORY OR ELSE!"

[crimson kayak]

Wait... Now that I think of it what's the devastator equivalent for the primaris?

[green loom]

Eradicators

....kind of

[orchid lark]

that motherfucker tricked the world to watch his shit 3 fucking times, its despicable

[green loom]

The trick with primaris is

They have 5 units

[orchid lark]

its spread out through many things

[green loom]

That fulfill the same role as one of the oldmarine squads

[orchid lark]

its weird and kind inflexible

[green loom]

Like how instead of Flamers, plasma guns and bolters being an option for 1 squad

[orchid lark]

which is stupid

[green loom]

It's spread out as exclusive options for 3

[orchid lark]

Legion Squads 2 Electric Boogaloo

[green loom]

Except somehow worse

[crimson kayak]

Mostly because I'm thinking about how they are gonna go for the multiplayer loadouts

[orchid lark]

well the jump pack thing

like Space Marine 2 and Dante

kinda shows like

oh Assault Marines could be a thing again

[green loom]

They'll be released as a single squad with a niche kit that's probably useless

[orchid lark]

the Gravis platform is definitely "Devastator"

[green loom]

And they'll also get 4 separate primaris lieutenants

A unique sergeant model

And maybe a Captain

[orchid lark]

or its just the assault intercessor kit with jumppacks added

but we pay a bit more

and assault intercessors are no longer a choice and anyone who has a list built with them

has to change them quick

[green loom]

You know what's shocking?

Weve never gotten a gravis LT

[orchid lark]

Lieutenants dont get the right to live safely in armour like that

only captains are allowed to get in the shit

[green loom]

Lel

It's funny how GW have basically been rereleasing the same primaris model for like 7 years

But it's only mainline marines

The black Templars models are amazing

[orchid lark]

i legit believed they just

didnt know how to handle the covid issues

like for some reason

why the hell would it affect their news cycles and release notes

they just dropped the ball and tripped on their shoelaces under no duress

its not like they suffered significantly either

hell, I dont think they even did

[green loom]

Haven't they been on an upward trend for sales/profits since

Forever

[orchid lark]

yeah, so it just makes no sense as to why they just

found delays from nowhere

like AoS is relatively smooth in process

even the fucking LotR was smooth relatively

[green loom]

Manufactured limits?

Just to milk things that much more

[orchid lark]

i think they just didnt give a shit, and was like, well everyones having some time off

fuck it lmao

[green loom]

I mean it definitely feels like Marines are the only faction they're shamelessly milking to death lmao

Because you can't tell me they aren't doing it on purpose when they make gold like this

[orchid lark]

again, Dante was completed super early

2019

[green loom]

Wth

[orchid lark]

and from their forgeworld infos on like

building sculpts and stuff

they do those things super early on in development

Space Marine 2 has been in development for a long time too

so at some point

Jump Pack Marines

like the ones we know and love

[orchid lark]

i dont mean development hell btw

[green loom]

I honestly think they're just milking the everliving crap out of it

[orchid lark]

its just games are developed for a while

[orchid lark]

thats normal, but i feel like they botched up some internal schedule

[green loom]

People label everything as development hell lmao
"Wtf why devman no make perfect game in 2 months wtf???"

[orchid lark]

some folks dont understand how any entertainment industry works

[green loom]

Yeah hence the previous discussion on the pipe dream that is 40k battlefield

[orchid lark]

i give up explaining how the pipeline works and how somethings are because of how old somethings are

[green loom]

Or 40k total war

[orchid lark]

GW fucked something up, but I think only their important stakeholders know about it

[green loom]

Fantasy/AoS are much better suited for basically anything lmao but some refuse to acknowledge that because they've spent 500 USD on Horus Heresy books alone

[orchid lark]

people also

just dont want to branch out to other things...

its like asking weabs to read actual books or something

[green loom]

Is that why people react angrily when I tell them to play something else while waiting for new content?

[orchid lark]

yeah

like at some point

people dont understand that

its not devs make no content or are slow

its just

people are DEVOURING content at such gluttonous speeds

that theyre burning themselves out from content without realising it

[green loom]

Yeah it's almost like games are meant as a thing to play in your offtime and not to be blitzed through in 4 sleepless nights

[orchid lark]

when the game says it can be done in 40 hours, it doesnt mean the 48 hours you have for your weekend

it means 4 hours spread out through ten days that are spread out in the 4 weeks of the month at minimum

even then

thats a lot of time dedicated to something

but normal people which is like

80% of the people who do play games

have no issues with this

its literally no lifers

or content creators or streamers who have issue with this

and they just cause mass hysteria

[green loom]

I play a lot relatively but when I run out of content I just
Play something else lmao

[orchid lark]

I read like 4 books at once, but not at the same time or all 4 during the same day

i will always have content

i dont get burn out because I have a plethora of options of things

I have like 2 drawing WIPs up at all time because if i dont want to draw on one thing

i can swap

when im doing indie game dev shit

i have the other project ready to be used for distraction

some people just dont have

like

life variety

[crimson kayak]

Tbf if you remove the total war combat mechanics its just an rts with world map mechanics

[near wasp]

I have adhd sometimes i just hyper focus on something and play 100 hours in three weeks and sometimes i swap games like 20 times an hour

[orchid lark]

I hypefocus on somethings when im in a very good neutral mood

love Rimworld

[green loom]

Idk what I do in a good mood, hasn't happened in years

[storm jungle]

No sex servitor discussions please lol

[orchid thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sopranos-gif-22710838

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-punch-punching-beat-i-will-beat-you-to-death-gif-25117238

[crisp heath]

Too late Dilara the seed has been planted, it's only a matter of time before Hadronposting

[storm jungle]

I'll have that over people wanting to bang lobotimized robot slaves.

[crimson kayak]

W.... Wot

[storm jungle]

Ask him

[celest dome]

Ask whom ?

[summer rover]

i am once again asking the admech fanboys to stop making creepy posts.

[crisp heath]

If you're really in the admech the only thing you Frick is science

[orchid lark]

Biomagos are the plastic surgeons of 40k

Get them omnissiah blessed boobjobs alongside them rejuv treatments

Praise be to the omnissiah

[coarse pumice]

What happened to Mad Donna?

[celest dome]

Did someone post something from Archon of Flesh ?

Best Skit drawer is Kitto Paint, love his Skit

[crimson kayak]

Love how it looks like the omnissiah axe is holding the minigun

[near wasp]

I too like turning people into nice hats

[storm jungle]

Same thing that happens to every footnote character, no lore because unimportant.

[arctic talon]

wheres the one where they fell lol

nvm found it

[rose thorn]

9th edition admech in a nutshell

[arctic talon]

Nah 9th admech terrorized the comp scene

till launch Deldar came out

then they terrorized the comp scene

and then Admech got its knees blown off with a shotgun

and then they got their durability nerfed going into 10e

I am not salty how could you tell

[vivid turtle]

would it be accurate if i described thunder warriors to someone as if penal legions had the capabilities of astartes

[arctic talon]

They were better disciplined then Penal Legions

and also way stronger then Marines

1 tumor ridden thunder warrior is more then a match for several marines

from what we've seen

[vivid turtle]

yea i've read about that

it was against world eaters too

[arctic talon]

I'd say they're more disciplined then a penal legion

[rose thorn]

Imagine the custody with the violence of a flesh tearer and the morals of an ork

[arctic talon]

but no where near marines or an actual regiment

[crimson kayak]

Yeah thunder warriors are more custodes level

Without the millennia of training and expertise

[sweet saffron]

Hey y'all I'm doing a small survey out of curiosity.

In your opinions what's the most annoying Xenos faction the read about from their perspective?

[celest dome]

Tyranids I suppose

[storm jungle]

Every xenos faction is pretty good to read about tbh

i have no complaints

Its not as if they barely get any books to begin with

[celest dome]

Tbh, most often it's the Custodes and the Grey Knight who are the most lame PoV

[storm jungle]

yeah Imperials deffo enter more into "lame POV"

mostly because of how many books they have

[arctic talon]

Mostly due to quality of writing more then anything lmao

but tyranids get the answer

mostly since there's never gona be variety

[storm jungle]

This too yeah

[upbeat dagger]

why has nobody corrected me saying regal dorn for like the last 3 months

i feel so dumb

[odd palm]

I mean it's not technically wrong

[upbeat dagger]

its rogal tho

[odd palm]

It is

[green loom]

If it's a real word then it's probably not the name of a primarch

[upbeat dagger]

yeah nobody corrected me ive been saying regal dorn for months ;-;

[green loom]

F

[odd palm]

Must've been saying regal when the IF fans were asleep

[rose thorn]

Lov are the worst (they have no books)

[vivid turtle]

from the Imperiums perspective?

probably orks

[orchid lark]

None of them.
I adjust my perception and expectations for each, because each faction has a different feel and flavour.

Could they be written better?

Well everything can be written better.

[winter vessel]

I’m lacking in terms of Inquisiton lore. There are a few times in the game where we are called “acolyte”. Is that an actual term and role outside of Darktide?

[orchid lark]

Yeah

Like in real life?

Super outdated

[winter vessel]

Oh well of course not real life. I’m just saying in the 40k universe. The only connection I can make when it comes to the secrecy of an Inquisitor’s retinue are Tempestus Scions and Assassins from the Ordo Assassinorum.

[open pumice]

yes

acolytes are a real inqusiitorial role

no

it's usually not filled by a bunch of guardsmen

usually

[crisp heath]

... My Inquisitor OC has a bunch of Krieg acolytes as a personal guard

Mainly because I wanted to write about an atheist Krieger

[open pumice]

Acolytes are somewhere between aspiring inquisitors (see eisenhorn's acolytes) and useful, but replaceable, people (see: amberly vail's retinue)

[celest cedar]

so theoretically. we can become Inquisitors should we live long enough

[open pumice]

depends on the inquisitor

[crisp heath]

I think most would be pretty hesitant to hand an ex-con a rosette

[open pumice]

so our characters in game? likely not

most probably outcome for our characters: if we survive tertium, we get shot

[open pumice]

sometimes

[orchid lark]

Acolytes is a term used for not yet space marines

Or sometime before neophytes

[open pumice]

incorrect

they are neophytes

always neophytes

[orchid lark]

Wasnt acolyte used at some points

[open pumice]

your thinking of aspirants

[celest cedar]

I mean some of the personalities deserves to be shot. Loner is one of them

[open pumice]

who are pre neophytes

[open pumice]

iirc, some chapters may refer to their serfs as acolytes

[orchid lark]

Thats a first

Ah acolytes

[crisp heath]

all voicelines deserve the best, except Cutthroat

[open pumice]

true

[crisp heath]

Loner just did a little heresy. A tiny one. Small heresy.

[open pumice]

alot of chapter serfs are aspirants and neophytes who weren't fully successfull

[celest cedar]

If Loner's not shot. They'll just end up like Sefoni.

[celest cedar]

tiny weeny bit of heresy

[crisp heath]

Honestly depending on Grendyl, I could actually see some inquistors taking a shine to the zealots

[open pumice]

Likely not

other than maybe like

kryptman

[celest cedar]

I can see Agitator being a Puritan Inquisitor. While Judge becoems a more Radical Inquisitor

[open pumice]

they would keep some of them around

[celest cedar]

Fanatic is.....too unstable

[open pumice]

but I can't even see greyfax going

yeah that seems legit

[winter vessel]

Okay so, shot in the dark here…does that include an Arco-Flagellant?

[open pumice]

arcoflagellants are a sororitas thing

who are not technically inquisition but are often sequestered by the inquisition

[winter vessel]

Those things are freaky as hell.

[open pumice]

ye

generally storm troopers, sororitas, etc aren't considered acolytes

they are military arms

inquisitors tend to have personal retinues

think like the people who give you orders in darktide

liek hadron

those are the inquisitor's retinue

[crisp heath]

I think they're cute...

[open pumice]

his true acolytes

we play his "acolytes"

if you play all the way up to level 30

||you get a cutscene where you become one of his retinue||

[winter vessel]

But okay, so then I guess. Based off of my Vet’s background who’s a Professional, what do you think they would be associated with? A Radical or Puritan?

[crisp heath]

Honestly no way of telling

[open pumice]

most inquisitors are in flux

like

eisenhorn

[crisp heath]

Inquisitors tend to think they're firmly on one side though

[open pumice]

moves back and forth alot

[open pumice]

truth

lke

amberly vail sees herself as a puritan IIRC

[crisp heath]

Greyfax is the current punching bag for "I'm a strict puritan! Purge the heretic!" * has alien machines in blood *

[open pumice]

and Kryptman sees himself as a radical

[open pumice]

well thats because she's a bitch and a bad character

it's also important to note

[winter vessel]

Oh yeah that guy I know a lot when it comes to the Inquisition. Removed from the order because his actions were “too evil”.

[open pumice]

well yeah thats what happens when you decide to create an exterminatus mote around a corner of the galaxy

[crisp heath]

tbf Krypman was let off easy

[open pumice]

expanding
Greyfax is an OK side character, but she takes the forfront as a main character alot, and isn't nearly interesting or likable enough to deserve it

the people she's witha re often more likable and interesting than she is

see: her own audiodrama

that i still havent finished

[crisp heath]

Kysnaros didn't get excommunicated, his fellow inquisitors and grey knights just started planning to assassinate him before Grimnar took care of it first lol

[winter vessel]

I’m just saying, the sheer notion of his exile because he was “too evil” from a faction where, if you were to weigh the amount of evil in the Inquisition on a weighing scale, it would sink into the ground.

[crisp heath]

Inquisitors think of themselves as the protectors of mankind, and unless they start getting corrupted by Chaos that's a role they take very seriously

[open pumice]

the difference is
the inqusition sees itself as being evil to benefit the majority of humanity
sacrifice the few to save the many

kryptman dind't really save anyone, and just sacrificed a bunch of people

like

the blood angles success at baal

[crisp heath]

An Inquisitor might be ok with exterminatusing a genuinely unsaveable planet, or disappearing a family or two, because that's a small price to pay in the face of, say, a system

[celest cedar]

Kryptman? The git who found Tyranids?

[open pumice]

marks that kryptman was wrong

[winter vessel]

No argument there. After all, “INNOCENCE PROVES NOTHING”

[open pumice]

exactly,

vs sacrificng untold billions of innocents just to starve some bugs

[open pumice]

inquisitors know they are evil, or atleast are seen as evil. They either don't care, or use it to their advantage. very few intentionally play into being evil bastards for the sake of it

[crisp heath]

Hell, the Inquisition didn't want to kill the people of Armageddon, they "just" castrate them and sent them to penal colonies

I forget if that was the Months of Shame group or the Second War for Armageddon group though

[open pumice]

Thats what you get for living on a planet named fucking armegeddon

IDK what else to tell you

[winter vessel]

Do we know if any, or at all, named inquisitors who are at least, Not as much of a prick like we normally get as a first impression of them?

[crisp heath]

Maybe next time don't live on the literal ork homeworld, losers

[open pumice]

Eisenhorn
Vail
crowl

theres a few

[crisp heath]

I actually find Jaq Draco pretty likeable, and he's the template inquisitor

[open pumice]

I haven't read all the inquisitor books

I can't be bothered TBH

[crisp heath]

I wanted to read the original but I just didn't like the old-school flavor much

From my understanding it's not too different from the new edition though, just find + replace some words

[winter vessel]

I’m actually currently reading “Imperial Saint”. The one with the Last Chancers on Armageddon.

[crisp heath]

God I love Armageddon so much

[winter vessel]

Everyday I thank the god-emperor that “Helsreach” hasn’t been taken down from YouTube. I think I have it saved and downloaded. But that fan film adaption from the book is such a blessing

[balmy abyss]

I loved the Last Church. Just to hear the Emperor have a philosophical debate on faith was a blessing

[open pumice]

it was OK

They weren't really debating

they were talking past eachother and going

nuh uh

which is

enitely accurate to how that argument would actually go

but

[winter vessel]

It might just be my perspective, but I like how it managed to keep it civil and not showing any bias towards one side. Well besides the burning at the end

[open pumice]

religion isn't real, so i'm going to burn this church with you in it, destroying untold hsitories and stories and art kept inside isn't exatly a compelling argument

[winter vessel]

I wonder if the now indisposed god-emperor who has been stuck to the throne recalls the priest’s warning of what happens and his prediction of humanity creating a religion about him.

[balmy abyss]

When the histories and the arts were nothing but falsities? Have you also seen a true debate? Rarely ever does one step away from their viewpoint. Also the resolution was perfect. The priest understood his time and way was ending. He was a relic of a fading world.

[balmy abyss]

Yeah but the burning was going to happen no matter what. That was going to be the conclusion towards the building from the start. The Emperor's mind is probably been so fragmented guiding humanity in the warp on the throne that no one would be able to know for certain. Would not be surprised though that at least one fragment recalls that occurrence.

[summer rover]

chaos is silly.

[thick cedar]

Is there some lore reason psykers leave their fingers exposed when fighting nurgle? Seems like a bad idea

[celest dome]

Psyker stuff I suppose

Or preference

[orchid lark]

Biomantics shoot biolightning from their had, guess the fingers are like conduits

wouldnt work with some gloves if they have like

insulating materials

[green loom]

Why would it get taken down

[celest cedar]

Fingerless gloves are cool?

[coarse pumice]

what's a buzzard suit?

[orchid lark]

beakie

[crimson kayak]

Considering how none of us use any kind of truly protective equipment and manage to never get infected by a single nurgle disease....

Either Gameplay reasons or just consider the Rejects as Built Different™

[crimson kayak]

It's blizzard

So snow camo

Remember at that time marines had varieties of their colors depending on where they were deployed

[celest dome]

Isn't it Buzzard ?

If you look at suit it look more like an U than a I

[green loom]

That's because it is a U

[storm jungle]

Masozi brings up that any surviving operative gets decontamination when they get back to the ship

Im guessing warp-based diseases or not it probably somewhat helps

[storm jungle]

Funnily enough the last Siege book says apparently naked skin is the best conduit for psychic power shooty stuff

Tho obviously its there because it looks cool

[crimson kayak]

Same rejects doing the comms-link mission, hearing constantly the "radio disease" or however they call it in game and not suffering anything from it

[storm jungle]

For that they are just built different

none of them seem weak willed by any means

[crimson kayak]

Oh yeah, I forgot the best one

We can get swallowed whole by a daemon and spit out of his acidic guts with no permanent damage to our bodies

[storm jungle]

Thats just gameplay

[crimson kayak]

Yeah I know

Ench why I stopped asking myself what's lore accurate or not on missions lol

[green loom]

Well technically you do get damaged, but due to gameplay it's healed quick

[storm jungle]

🫵

[crimson kayak]

As too much stuff has to go out the windows for this situation to make even a bit of sense

[green loom]

It's almost like making a 40k game lore accurate is impossible and a Braindead goal that will not appeal to anyone

[crimson kayak]

Yep

(also because 40k lore would have to start being accurate with itself to begin with before translating into other media)

[green loom]

"U were near the poowalkers, now you dead"

[crimson kayak]

Like, nurgle has what? 4? 5 different zombie diseases that all except one act the fucking same?

[orchid lark]

no wonder we keep stripping down the daemonhosts

[crimson kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIhKsa3oYGk

well, we finally know how power weapon force fields work

if only the animation wasn't looking straight out of amateur SFM

(also im very curious at the "Aeldari detected, Deploy Infiltration Units" line of the new killteam season, as that means even more agents of the imperium lol)

[celest dome]

Sadly rumours are that it's against SM

[crimson kayak]

...

but we already have the phobos strike team!?

or was it reiver?

whatever, the guys in light armour

only other viable thing would either be some very chapter specific ones like raven guard and shit or a scout primaris squad

[orchid lark]

dedicated blood angel death company suicide squad for kill team

(jokes thatll never happen)

[crimson kayak]

also im curious cause it seems to pick up from the starstriders book ending

[orchid lark]

Deathwatch Bespoke Hunter Teams

(that will also never happen)

[crimson kayak]

with the greenish nurgle planet background

[vale shuttle]

we can always have more primaris space marines

[crimson kayak]

obviously, what i mean is how are they supposed to make a team that would be basically just phobos

like, it's worse than the fact they still keep the compendium armies even after releasing their specialized kill team variants

[vale shuttle]

maybe it's scoutss

[crimson kayak]

i sure hope

[vale shuttle]

new primaris space marine scouts???

new primaris space marine scout lieutenant????

[crimson kayak]

favorite boys didn't get a mention since primaris release

closest would be the new BT neophytes

[vale shuttle]

if i was a gambler and i was told "New Space Marine kill team focused on infiltration" i'd guess scouts

[crimson kayak]

thing is it's literally the only option lol

[vale shuttle]

no, they could make up some new space marine unit to fill the gap

the Primaris ShadowShade a brand new unit filled with Primaris Shadows who stalk the battlefield and assassinate enemies with their Primaris Chaindaggers (very stealthy). they're lead by a Primaris Shade who uses a powerful Primaris Stealth Inferno Pistol

[crimson kayak]

god please no lol

[celest dome]

People in the Admech sub were hoping for Sicarian Kill Team

[celest dome]

But won't you think of those poor SM who never get anything ?

[orchid thicket]

Space Wolves are supposed to be superhuman vikings in space, but they come off as lame gay furrybait. Why is that?

I bet they raise one leg when they piss

[celest dome]

Gw isn't really smart

Most alternate Heresy have Russ fall to Khorne as a Werewolf. Which is such a cheap shot

[orchid lark]

Traitor Russ should take the place of Traitor Kurze

violent headhuntig terror tactic warbands

like distorted chaos wolf howls

Khornate Wolves is too easy

and too boring

[near wasp]

arnt wulfen resistant to chaos anyways?

[orchid lark]

Space Wolves arent

dunno bout Wulfen

cant remember but there was a space wolf chaos lord

[orchid lark]

this old codger that no one will remember

[storm jungle]

VULFBAD

Fucking end me already

[crisp heath]

The wolf is a bad

[storm jungle]

peak shakespearan writing

[crisp heath]

The image is of him fighting "Harald Deathwolf"

[orchid lark]

Literally Svane Heresy himself

with the Primaris Marines, Space Wolves players are free to change the naming convention

no longer limited to [something viking] + [Noun/adjective+Noun/adjective]

I hope when Russ comes back he has a personality paradigm shift

like from the boisterous and cantekerous dude from GC Era

to a sobered up, silent brooding warrior king (like GOW Thor or Sigmar)

essentially be something Space Wolves players dont want

cause fuck'em why not

[crimson kayak]

I mean, it's pretty obvious that russ will come back basically as 40k Odin

[orchid lark]

cant call him allfather tho

thats the emperor

isnt his like fancy shmancy title

Wolf King?

Something king

fucking something wolf in there definitely

[crimson kayak]

I mean, the lion didn't pull a sword from a stone and become king of Caliban either but the Arthurian inspiration is definetly there

Even through I don't know how he gets Fealty in the book so now I'm scared he actually pulls it out of a stone

[orchid lark]

I thought Fealty was Caliburn

the sword of the lake

like he got it from the water or something

[crimson kayak]

Don't know, sadly have yet to read the book except for the general spoilers ecc...

[orchid lark]

I think Dilara knows

also Allfather is the term Space Wolves use for the Emperor

according to Index Astartes 2, as Lexicanum sourced it

cant confirm on wolf king

but i swore i saw it somewhere

[crimson kayak]

Anyhow yeah, the point is still that it doesn't need to be one on one with the inspiration, but let's say I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back with only one eye and two crows

[orchid lark]

he comes back with one crow

but two eye patches

to be different

[crisp heath]

Give him a thunder hammer, it's so obvious

[crimson kayak]

I just imagined demon corvus perched on his shoulder

[orchid lark]

giving his little brother a wolfy back ride

[crisp heath]

Honestly a good plot twist would be one of the loyalist primarchs getting corrupted during their absence but GW are cowards and won't do that

[crimson kayak]

I mean, he has the Emperor's Spear

[orchid lark]

they could do it but, there would be like a domino effect of story writing that has to be done

and SM Shit already takes up like what

80% of 40k story time

[green loom]

He got it in that dream forest thing

Which I'm pretty sure heavily features a river/lake

So

[crimson kayak]

Yep it does

There's even a spirit/warp entity thingy that fishes there or something

[green loom]

Most likely the emperor tbh

[crimson kayak]

I mean it is called The Old King

[green loom]

Imagine if they made Emps the lady of the lake

[crimson kayak]

"is an old wounded king who slowly bleeds from his injuries and is always stalked by hungering shadows" yeah its the emperor 100%

Wich would also explain why the fuck his shield is there

[orchid lark]

The Lion shouldve had two swords

like some forms of Arthurian Myth

Caliburn and Excalibur

[crimson kayak]

I mean, there's the one Cypher got

The Lion Sword, that's the one

He also had the Wolf Blade

[green loom]

Dual wielding lion would be based

Unfortunately Cypher has a copy of the script

[orchid thicket]

Bad wolf lol

[orchid lark]

What if Lion was a Witcher vibes

[coarse pumice]

In a wardrobe?

[orchid lark]

also, I think like a third of the primarchs had like two close combat weapons in 30k rules

I know Sang had a loadout which was Spear of Telesto + the Moonsilver Blade

[coarse pumice]

For gameplay reasons

[crimson kayak]

The main problem with lion dual wielding is that only Fealty is not a massive fuck off two hander

[orchid lark]

oh yeah, Russ had a sword and Axe for 30k

very viking

[silver pollen]

It didn't help in the Plague wars - when wounded soldiers were used as timebombs by Nurglite forces.

[silver pollen]

I still think, this is the euphemism for shooting everyone arriving from the mission and tossing them out of the ship through air-lock.

[storm jungle]

ıt's not.

If that was the case our characters would be dead

[silver pollen]

But our characters tend to die on missions, but then they are back as if nothing happened.

[storm jungle]

Because its a game

don't think so deep on it

[silver pollen]

Still, that is weird that a lot of our equipment is the worst suitable for fighting nurglites choice.

[storm jungle]

It's a game.

[silver pollen]

Yup

[storm jungle]

dont try to look for sense

[silver pollen]

Also this is 40K so still better not to.

[orchid lark]

someone forgetting good ole Ludonarrative stuff again?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/1095986523125600317/ThisCannotContinue.gif

[celest dome]

What would be better ? Apart from using exclusively flamers

[silver pollen]

I mean, our suits.

A lot of exposed skin and such.

[celest dome]

Oh, that, well it's as the other have said, ludonarrative

[orchid lark]

something something if games had so much management about little things like bladder control or whatever the fuck

its less of a game

more of a Sim

a Simulation

[green loom]

"Why do I not get to play through my characters entire childhood"

[silver pollen]

Well, it is still weird that after half a Terran year, Mourningstar is just not a heavy nurgle-infested rusty hulk, hanging somewhere on orbit.

[orchid lark]

"How do our characters not get so tired?"

One thing I jokingly love pointing out to people

how often do you jump in real life?

[celest dome]

It's ludonarrrative, if we want to go to the thick of it, the ammo we find would be rotted, there wouldn't be healing...

[green loom]

Mfw I find perfect caliber, factory new ammo for my illuminati issued military firearm in a decrepit apartment complex

[arctic talon]

Also our lasguns should have way more shots

Before needing a reload lol

[celest dome]

Depend on the power setting we use them on

[arctic talon]

But they don’t because that would prolly be unbalanced

[arctic talon]

Unless we cranked that shit all the way up I doubt it

They seem to be working as normal

[silver pollen]

Ok, even if all that shit we use can be re-blessed and Nurgle diseases are more warp-based, there is Iaks precedent - where a planet far from frontline was turned into a Nurglite shithole just by few wounded soldiers who passed ALL the possible checks before getting there.

I think, Nurgle forces were just a poor choice of the enemy in general. Should have picked anyone else...

[celest dome]

Hadron, a member of the Admech accept our bribes of rotten Plasteel and rusted Diamantine to "upgrade" our weapons to give more power when we hit enemy in certain ways ?

[silver pollen]

Yeah, lasgun is a great weapon of 40K when you need to kill something still human.

[silver pollen]

Looks like the traitor is still there...

[green loom]

They were veterans working with domestic cults

The dregs you see have always been there

[celest dome]

Nurgle is a great start, and you're looking into it too far.
Should end up with the 4 Chaos God represented

[arctic talon]

The answer has and always will be it’s a game

[celest dome]

@green loom also the Scab, have a suspiscious lack of Nurgle icons

[orchid lark]

but what about the REALISM

[green loom]

If you pick Khorne we'll start randomly getting bloodthirsty until we lose our minds, if you pick tzeentch we all die to some psychic bullshit 3 minutes in, and if you pick slaanesh we get our heads chopped off by invisible daemonettes or perfectionist cultists or sorcerers

[orchid lark]

Slaanesh freaks are fast as fuck

[arctic talon]

I already suspend my belief of lore whenever I play the tabletop lul

[orchid lark]

you think the Ogryns gonna react fast enough for that

[arctic talon]

Remember

A man yelling at a guardsman

[silver pollen]

I still can't but wonder, like what kind of shit has Moebian-6th seen that it made them think that embracing Nurgle and becoming literal walking pieces of rotting shit was a better option?

[arctic talon]

Makes him run faster then a marine

[celest dome]

The regular foes that the Guards face

[green loom]

All kinds of things, the front they're fighting at has been one for god knows how long, and eventually some freaky as shit tends to show up

[arctic talon]

Yeah

They’ve just been through a lot

[silver pollen]

But still, Nurgle, out of ALL the options?

[arctic talon]

Nurgle loves despair

He feeds on people like them

[silver pollen]

Ok, makes sense...

[celest dome]

Out of world: FS knows Nurgle fairly well, so it made sense to start with it
In world: The Absolution cult was the one that they met first

[silver pollen]

Still want Slaanesh cult somewhere in the upper levels.

Would be fun.

[celest dome]

Chaos Undivide/Undecided, let them introduce the 3 other Cults in a way that would work easily

[silver pollen]

We will see. At this point I'm just tired from the same and same maps again and again. Want more world of 40K to see as Inquisitor's retinue (it is a very good pickup of protagonists in this aspect - like another with same freedom of hands in variety would have been rogue trader).

[celest dome]

The difficulty with a RT is on why would they send people to fight the tide.
And we already have a completed planet that we may see, so there is plenty of potential even for maps that would be different from what we think about when hreaing Hive City

[silver pollen]

Well, we mostly hang in lower levels or underhive. Like the shithole of shithole.

So, yeah, we have plenty of stuff to see on upper levels. If they show it to us ofc.

[celest dome]

We do have reason to believe that new sectors are gonna happen, but 1st it's likely gonna be the Underhive

[reef kite]

Hey

So, if I wanted to make an Arbites character

would that be a Vet or a Zealot?

[green loom]

Probably Vet

[celest dome]

I'd say a Psyker, as one is, or more exactly was an Enforcer.

[storm jungle]

An Arbiter would more or less require its own entire class

[celest dome]

So I think if in the future we get Arbites inspired cosmetic sets it will be on the Zealot

[celest dome]

Zealot Enforcer could work.
Arbites wouldn't really make sense in the Rejects

[reef kite]

In fact I think leaks have actually confirmed an arbite cosmetic for zealots

[storm jungle]

cosmetic yeah

[reef kite]

I mean, clearly they weren't a very good arbite

[green loom]

Arbites are very scary

[celest dome]

I know which you think about, but it seemed to be available to all 3 Human classes

[celest dome]

But they are rarer, Enforcer make more sense as being in high number like the current ones

[storm jungle]

Basically imagine an american cop that was forced to read the Constitution their entire life

[reef kite]

I know what they are yeah

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/dredd-i-knew-youd-say-that-stallone-gif-23229845

[celest dome]

If we get one as a class I think it make more sense to bring it to the Zealot at least

[reef kite]

Yeah

I do have hopes that the announcement at the upcoming thing will be new Subclasses for darktide

for the four classes

[celest dome]

Archetypes
Classes
!!

[reef kite]

Yeah

Not real classes, but subclasses

as new full classes would

[green loom]

It's probably going to be new maps/cosmetics

[celest dome]

There won't be Subclasses

[green loom]

Maybe guns

Hopefully story?

And hopefully not paid

[celest dome]

Gun are confirmed to not be in the next patch iirc

[reef kite]

God I hope story

It seemed like there'd be such a cool story

[celest dome]

I'd consider it to be part of the Map/Mode/...
So as free (According to previous news

[reef kite]

and then it just stopped

[celest dome]

Yeah. They decided on halting all content back in January to fix stuff

[orchid thicket]

We're gonna have this big arc involving a great unclean one as a final boss

During his bossfight he twerks and shits all over us for massive corruption damage

While saying "Oh baby!"

[coarse pumice]

For Arbites, you need JUDGE zealot with a sidekick of SAVANT psyker

[crimson kayak]

If a possible Guo boss is used and it uses the shit attack from tt warhammer ill be a happy reject

[orchid thicket]

He has to twerk while doing it

while saying "Look at me, I'm a Space Wolf!"

[royal rose]

hi

[crimson kayak]

Hello there

[upbeat dagger]

i've heard descriptions of Terminator space marines basically having to fight against their own armor- what does that mean?

[green loom]

It's heavy

And clunky to use

[upbeat dagger]

also wasn't original terminator used as reactor maintenance armor?

[green loom]

shrug

It was for some sort of non-combat use

And adapted for marines

[upbeat dagger]

also 2nd question:
isn't every single character in darktide short of grendyl and rannick going to get executed for possible chaos taint once atoma is cleansed

[green loom]

But that might be the earliest types

Cataphractii, Tartarus and Indomitus are probably built for marines

[green loom]

If we weren't inquisition, yes

[upbeat dagger]

oh are we technically inquisition now?

[green loom]

Well yeah we play the goon squad and get a formal position as an acolyte once we hit 30

[upbeat dagger]

also i genuinely love how Rannick looks like he's never shot a mf in his life

[green loom]

He probably has a lot of dirt on his hands as Grendyl's direct underling

[upbeat dagger]

like unironically such a great detail seeing as he probably sits behind a desk all day

like he looks disgusted when he throws the gun down

*sets had to rewatch

also i like the idea that rannick genuinely didn't know who the traitor was and was going based on our reaction. Our character, who's shown they're willing to die for the emperor, doesn't even flinch, whereas the traitor looks super uncertain and starts running

[green loom]

He already knew who the traitor was by that point

[silver pollen]

Especially, if our character is an ogryn. Sure, who could it be...

[upbeat dagger]

tbf darktide ogryn are like, albert einstein level genius afaik

compared to regular ogryn

which is a change i quite enjoy

[silver pollen]

Anyway, Rannick has access to all the monitoring systems of the ship. He literally sees a leaving traitor a couple of times with his very eyes.

At this point, I bet, he was just kidding for the sake of kidding.

Probably too tired of paperwork.

So wanted a small change of work.

[storm jungle]

Ogryns are not that stupid is the thing, their intelligence varies a lot, the lore just likes to show most of them as braindead for the sake of comedy

people really overplay that aspect a lot when expecting every ogryn in 40k to be more or less a moron

[upbeat dagger]

fair

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-bernie-gif-27192884

[summer rover]

i mean, some ogryn are actually that dumb, like they mention, there's different strains.

this one going to prison instead of being put down itself tells us they're one of the more coherent breeds.

[storm jungle]

I know lmao

I'm saying not all of them

[storm jungle]

It doesn't have anything to do with that honestly, you got the dumbest ogryn in the game with the one that doesn't shut up about rations, its more of a gameplay thing again

[upbeat dagger]

am i correct that the boltgun we use is basically a boltpistol to an sm

[green loom]

Not really

[upbeat dagger]

ik its fairly scaled down so it doesn't dislocate our shoulder

[green loom]

It's still a boltgun just made to fit our hands

[storm jungle]

the shoulder dislocating thing hasn't been in the lore since Dark Heresy got canned more or less

Anyone can use a boltgun

[arctic talon]

Tbh even while dark heresy was around

there was conflicting lore

[green loom]

I mean it doesn't have to be wrong

Lighter guns we've made irl can dislocate your shoulder

[storm jungle]

Its more uh

[green loom]

Like guns punch b ack

[storm jungle]

Dark Heresy has the stupid thing with the whole "firing a HOLY BOLTER OF THE ADEPTUS ASTARTES will dislocate and shatter your arm"

[arctic talon]

I mean bolters can still dislocate your shoulder

but it isn't the

it'll fucking obliterate your bones

[storm jungle]

the thing with that is the author of those books was well known for being marine wanky

in reality literally the only different is more or less the size between boltguns

[arctic talon]

in a system where you can't play as marines

[arctic talon]

sometimes the bolt itself gets bigger

tbf

[storm jungle]

Yeah but again that lore is like

a decade old at this point

and

guard sergeants and normal gangers have been using boltguns for years

so it legit does not matter, wish most people just got over this arm break myth

[arctic talon]

also the only example in lore of a marine weapon dislocating someones arm

is a Serf using a Chaplains broken croazius and the damn thing explodes

[storm jungle]

Yeah that makes more sense than just a firearm

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsI3fHUOlQM&ab_channel=TNP

[storm jungle]

if you can fire a 50.cal or that thing in the vid above you can fire a bolter

its literally all about managing recoil

and just having the gains

💪

at worst if you are a scrawny 29 year old girl like me it will just fly out of your hands and stub your foot

[green loom]

And bolters in theory should have less recoil

Since youknow

Gyrojets

[silver pollen]

Every time, I see this animation, I can't but ask "How many fingers, big guy?"

I really like ogryns and having them around during a mission.

[storm jungle]

Ogryns have 20 fingers iirc

[silver pollen]

Counting anything above 4 still is a problem.

[green loom]

Imagine bump firing a bolter and just deleting your upper half

[silver pollen]

BTW, would bolter even have that much of recoil? It is smooth bore weapon with self-propelled reactive projectiles. Recoil certainly would be less than our rifled high-caliber weapons.

[storm jungle]

Unless you rapid-fire it no

its basically a 50.cal so

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-dual-guns-crazy-people-gif-21026588

[silver pollen]

It's about standing right and having weight. Though, hitting anything smaller than a barn is under question.

[storm jungle]

Eh no

[green loom]

If you're using a bolter you're using it for the raw power, not really accuracy

[storm jungle]

as long as you got a good aim you got it

or that yeah lol

[green loom]

Like in game

[storm jungle]

unless its like a super niche mcguffin marine boltgun

[green loom]

If I want to snipe shooters I take my lasgun

If I want to delete groups or crushers I take my bolter

[storm jungle]

🫵

[silver pollen]

Marines have power armour - I think, there is some integrated markers in the helmet, no? To show where you aim based in the position of the hand and such?

[storm jungle]

That and like i said before theres some specific long-range bolter variants too

[silver pollen]

Technically marine can shoulder fire standard-issue auto-cannon. You know, the one Guard uses on a tripod or wheeled mount.

[arctic talon]

its gona suck tho

in terms of controlability

[silver pollen]

Certainly. Also revolver magazine isn't good for sustained fire.

But I definitely like the style of this thing...

[green loom]

Yep

[tough haven]

I was thinking about getting into 40k tabletop with 10e coming out soon, since they claim to be making things more simplified and accessible, but with the starter set costing probably 200+$ it seems like a lot of money when I might not even like it/have many people to play with

[silver pollen]

That's the trick with tabletop. It is VERY expensive.

[storm jungle]

That's mostly just bullshit marketing talk

if you want to start small try something like Kill Team

eyyyy

But yeah like it really is just a stupid lie to get you to be more invested in the "main" game.

GW has said they are making it more "accessible" for the last few years and never managed it lol

[silver pollen]

"Privateer" copies are probably cheaper, if we talk about accessibility.

[green loom]

Do you mean models or rules

Because rules is now free

[tough haven]

Either way, I’ll probably wait until 10e rules to come out at least

[silver pollen]

Models

[green loom]

I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy

[tough haven]

Does he know a guy?

[green loom]

No he knows a girl

Who knows a guy

[tough haven]

Ah, I see

[tawdry escarp]

I had an idea for an Eldar weapon

Replace fingernails with sharpened wraithbone nails, use as a conduit for summoning psychic claws

[silver pollen]

I had an idea of Ork weapon.
Squig flail. It is a flail but the one which not only beats but bites you in the process.

[tawdry escarp]

Brilliant

[silver pollen]

Thank you. Yours is good as well.

[spark falcon]

What 40k faction d'you think would be most powerful if like... they weren't real fuggn dumb

Could you imagine how powerful the mechanicus would be if they actually applied the knowledge they collect and make innovations and improvements?

[green loom]

You mean like they do privately

[crisp heath]

If Tyranids actually attacked the way they should be capable of, there would never be a battle

Monocellular bioforms would imperceptibly enter the atmosphere and begin rapidly reproducing, killing all life on the planet as transmissable disease, the only large organisms they need are things like rippers to eat up the mess and bioships, which I assume are the "real" tyranids

[arctic talon]

Orks

If they got together

They’d literally end the setting

[crisp heath]

3 phase lifecycle: disease becomes ripper becomes bioship

[arctic talon]

Same way the skaven did in fantasy

[crisp heath]

You could simplify it even further by having only the single celled organisms, spread by volcanic activity or asteroid impacts to drift back into space and slowly spread across the galaxy, but that'd be riskier and only actually guarantees 1 planet is consumed

[green loom]

You'd need a synapse creature to control them at all, no

[crisp heath]

Is there any limit on how small a synapse creature can be?

[green loom]

Probably, they seemingly need larger brains

[crisp heath]

bacteria with a really, really tiny norn crown

[arctic talon]

Norn crown is the smallest we’ve seen

So we need some sort of small infiltrator creature

With a norn crown

[crisp heath]

Anyway, the idea still works if the small organisms are just a mindless disease, once they kill everything just drop a few warrior squads to oversee the harvest of the dead matter

The only tyranid organisms that actually need defending in this situation is the ships, and those are massive fuckoff warships, they can handle themselves

Tyranids should make the life-eater virus look like a bad cold

[spark falcon]

Yeah I thought that as I was typing lmfao

[spark falcon]

If orks were even aware of their inherent telepathic ability, shows over

[crimson kayak]

So... Mechanicus with Votann tech?

[spark falcon]

yea, pre much. i aughta look into them more, i kidna want models too lmao

[tough haven]

Ragnarork is coming

[silver pollen]

Have to agree.

Fortunately, this is warhammer 40K, so everyone is rеtаrd, including the creator of tyranids.

[burnt osprey]

I don't know much about 40k lore, but my favorite bit of it is

being able to recharge lasgun batteries by throwing them in fire pits or heating them.

Not sure if thats just head-canon, but its something I could see being actually real and I think its pretty unique.

[celest dome]

No it's a thing, You can also charge them by leaving them in the sun(light)
Also putting them into the fire or too close to a heat source can make them unstable, which make them shoot stronger beams, but at the cost of overall ammo consumption

[burnt osprey]

based...

[silver pollen]

Lasgun is a great weapon in the lore. Basically an Ak47 of the setting - because every savage from the stone age world can be taught to fire and maintain las in a matter of hours.

And it is great from logistical standpoint - you don't need to supply tons of ammo, soldiers just have reachable energy cells which can replenish themselves in the field.

[orchid lark]

Overcharging Lasguns are my favourite IEDs

[silver pollen]

Oh, yeah, forgot that this is also the last chance grenade.

Though, the mechanicus may make a servitor out of you if you use your equipment this way too often.

[thick cedar]

How would zealots react if they one day had a psychic awakening

[celest dome]

Depend on the individual

[orchid lark]

God Emperor loves me, Im blessed, its a miracle

or self loathing because they might thikn theyre cursed

so yeah

depends on the individual

dont want to be inn Battlefleet Secundus for that

or maybe do

I dont know

[vale shuttle]

considering the zealot is about .3 seconds from screaming a slur at the psyker in every voiceline i imagine they woudl react negatively

[orchid lark]

me reading my 18 documents of my own little campaign story for 40k

[orchid thicket]

You're welcome