Aka the weaponized chunk of Caliban the Dark Angels call home
#40k-lore-chat
green loom
crimson kayak
i mean, i think it's obviously intended just the DA chapter
green loom
Doesn't matter
crimson kayak
because if we count DA+successors obviously Da wins
green loom
The Unforgiven are all beholden to the DA, so you would probably count that
dense orchid
So that's what it looks like, I imagined it differently
green loom
It's just a chunk of rock with guns and engines
dense orchid
Badass, I feel like it was fate that I chose them as my chapter
green loom
Thinking through it, a DA RPG would kick ass
dense orchid
dense orchid
Thinking through it, a DA RPG would kick ass
Ikr
crimson kayak
post the native-american Dark Angels
coarse pumice
coarse pumice
the peace pipe guy !
dense orchid
So that's a thing
bright anvil
Omg
green loom
Me when I'm throwing mashed potatoes on rice 
It's actually surprisingly good
Also the only thing they could've done worse is call them "Red Angels"
dense orchid
Also the only thing they could've done worse is call them "Red Angels"
That would be gold
storm jungle
I mean no
european culture at least white people can read
anything else is usually very cringe
lol
crimson kayak
Also the only thing they could've done worse is call them "Red Angels"
blood angels looking at the red angels looking at the daemon red angel
green loom
That would be gold
It'd be pretty racist
green loom
"European" has become butchered into generic medieval fantasy stuff so that's no surprise
storm jungle
Yeah that lol
green loom
And it also isn't particularly offensive
green loom
"Hark, mine codpiece ist bent from ravaging thine mother!"
storm jungle
I mean no?
witcher gets medieval europe perfectly
its literally all a shithole lol
green loom
Ironically the Game has some really good designs that aren't particularly outlandish
We don't talk about the Show 
storm jungle
Ironically the Game has some *really* good designs that aren't particularly outl...
Also yeah the game handles it fantastically
like theres so much in it
green loom
Genuinely whoever's the costume director for that fkn mess deserves to be out of a job period
crystal forum
White people trying to copy foreign cultures and failing moment
im surprised to see any north american indigenous representation at all in 40k
crimson kayak
Genuinely whoever's the costume director for that fkn mess deserves to be out of...
smile sword guard still lives rent free in my head through
green loom
like theres so much in it
Helps that
You know
Poles made it
crystal forum
also yeah that's a very stereotypical depiction
green loom
smile sword guard still lives rent free in my head through
For me it's the ballsack armour
storm jungle
Its a shame because ingame Nilfgaardian armor FUCKS
green loom
How do you go from "Vaguely HRE" to fucking tree bark ballsack?????
dense orchid
Scrotum armor
green loom
but yeah anyway
storm jungle
Basically yeah witcher nails medieval'ism
green loom
There's this one anime that handles European bs fairly well
storm jungle
green loom
Though I forget it's name
dense orchid
The show is dogshit. All they had to do is adapt the fucking books. But noooo
green loom
Something about a witch
crystal forum
are there any representations of Polynesian islander cultures
that would make a sick astartes chapter
dense orchid
Or the Balkans, that sounds fun
green loom
Uhh Space Sharks are sometimes depicted as such iirc
storm jungle
Yeeee this
they take inspiration from it
its not TOO blatant until you take a closer look
green loom
Or the Balkans, that sounds fun
Technically fitting but Ottomans plz
They have a much more defined style than just
"Vaguely balkan"
dense orchid
Don't make that comparison
crystal forum
yeah balkan has so many sub cultures
storm jungle
Ottomans have never been explored in 40k which is pretty funny
dense orchid
Ottomans are turks, and the rest of the balkans are mostly slavs
dense orchid
Ottomans have never been explored in 40k which is pretty funny
Good
green loom
Plus it's a nice style
dense orchid
I think the Byzantine are better
green loom
Not as I understand, why
crystal forum
I think the Byzantine are better
like antiquity era?
green loom
Bro medieval Byzantines fuck
crystal forum
it's crazy how old these empires were
dense orchid
Yeah but they owned the balkans for what
Not sure that's correct. Should fact check that
crystal forum
empires used to last so much longer lol
green loom
Yeah I was wrong, it was longer
crystal forum
who controlled greece back then
dense orchid
I wasn't talking about the years. But the fact that they owned the balkans
green loom
who controlled greece back then
The Turks
dense orchid
Battle of Szigetvár was a huge middle finger to the ottomans
crystal forum
i never even though of them as referencing something. always were the weird mask guys
green loom
Aside from the name not really
crystal forum
im sure that face helmet is a reference to something
you know what the helmet makes me think of though
orchid lark
The necromongers from riddick
crystal forum
crystal forum
the iraqi darth vader helmet
those things were issued to hussein's personal regiment or something
they were absolutely shit and fragile lol
super rare collector's item these days
crimson kayak
https://preview.redd.it/qkt8gkszk1571.jpg?auto=webp&s=2a06d7e7afb45d265b88e7e2a1...
god that uniform screams stereotypical evil regime
crystal forum
god that uniform screams stereotypical evil regime
well it was literally inspired by darth vader
im not even kidding
green loom
Cobra Commander lookin asss
crisp heath
you know what the helmet makes me think of though
kingdom of heaven?
crystal forum
am i going to keep getting responses to that question at 3 am in the morning
crisp heath
yes
you are fortunate really, as that is what I do, respond to posts that are several days old which I found in the search, this one was remarkably recent comparatively
crystal forum
i will count my blessings
celest dome
you know what the helmet makes me think of though
Yes you are gonna be getting more answers
crystal forum
at least it's not pinned so eventually it will fade away
near wasp
celest dome
at least it's not pinned so eventually it will fade away
@storm jungle Could you pin this comment ?#40k-lore-chat message
near wasp
Lol
storm jungle
<@166943308231344128> Could you pin this comment ?https://discord.com/channels/7...
Lmao I cant im not that evil
Age of Sigmar's low city vibe has always had that
people just dont really read the lore
celest dome
People just took their 1st look from back when AoS came out and then never really changed opinion
AoS has more potential than 40k and Fantasy have/had
storm jungle
I maen it already has tho
its literally making as much money as 40k
It helps that its VERY accessible for any newcomers and the hobby isnt filled with fascists
rose thorn
also its like 2 completely different teams
crystal forum
its literally making as much money as 40k
really? i didn't expect that
i always saw 40k as the flagship GW product
rose thorn
and one doenst use a calculator to balance out models LoV
storm jungle
Also that lmao
rose thorn
AOS is also more accessible and a smaller game
storm jungle
If it wasnt it wouldnt be constantly getting literally all the best minis and expansions compared to all the chaos with 40k's tabletop scene and unoriginality
rose thorn
but works well at higher points too
storm jungle
"Heres another space marine"
maenwhile AOS
"Heres khorne furries fighting vampire shaolin monks"
rose thorn
the only downside to AOS is that its built on liking a certain army
while 40k wnats you to have multiple armies
celest dome
How so ?
crystal forum
If it wasnt it wouldnt be constantly getting literally all the best minis and ex...
fr they really don't deviate far from the established stuff. primaris alone is so same-ey
rose thorn
so AOS, they expect you to own every model for an army
crystal forum
i don't see it as a lack of originality, i see it as GW not wanting to go in a direction that would not be profitable
rose thorn
but thats kinda dumb for a 40k army
celest dome
Was worse than early 40k tbh
storm jungle
why do you think they are constantly making new armies/minis
rose thorn
Also didnt aos do better then 40k during covid?
storm jungle
they wouldnt if it was a dead end and not returning numbers
crystal forum
isn't there a new rule for tabletop that gives advantages to painted figures
crystal forum
i thought they were adding it
crystal forum
oh lol
if it has to be better painted then yeah what a sucky rule
disadvantages new people
rose thorn
like i thik it was a khrone v something game i watched
wher it was a tie
but the otehr army was completely painted
while the demons were battle ready
crystal forum
what's battle ready
rose thorn
i think battle ready is just base coat and detailing
crystal forum
is there actually any specific conditions
or can i dump my mini in all the paint types and it counts
crimson kayak
dumps the mini in 3 random paints
arctic talon
AoS sells well enough for GW to constantly invest in and I see it a good bit at local game stores
However
They way overproduced on dominion boxes
After the indomitus scalping incident
rose thorn
Hopefully for leviathen they do a 1 or 2 box limit and it requires an account to buy
crystal forum
After the indomitus scalping incident
scalpers ruin every damn hobby
echo vault
In the 10ed codex I want there to be a story of a way too comfortable inquisitor mentioning the myth of grey knights killing the sisters to use their blood against demons to a group of sisters and getting absolutely murdered due to it being a false myth that'd be cool
celest dome
Was it retconned?
arctic talon
Was it retconned?
A long ass time ago lol
orchid thicket
The recent GW copyright-driven obsession with proper nouns irks the hell out of me
celest dome
Recent ? Haven't they been doing it for more than 10 years
orchid thicket
Aggressors, Intercessors, Aeldari, Drukhari, Orruks and what else
orchid thicket
Recent ? Haven't they been doing it for more than 10 years
Sorry, I'm stuck in 2016
coarse pumice
it sounds cheesy to me
crisp heath
why do they even want copyrightable names so bad
coarse pumice
fallout from the chapter house malarky
orchid lark
to make sure no one can make anything similarly close to their work
to make 3rd party youd have to go even further for the names
you can use space marines, but you cant specify Astartes
crisp heath
people keep making third party stuff anyways its so dumbbbb
also I remember being disappointed about chapterhouse thing cause wheeled chimeras looked cool
echo vault
It's why AoS names are weirdly different, copyright
Gargants are a better name than giants though
Makes me think of ork gargants, two cool things
celest dome
I'm already surprised that they can claim Space Marine for board games
vale shuttle
me when i make my new board game: Star Marines and the Anubis Apostasy
orchid lark
The Boba Betrayal
crisp heath
The Bitchy Backstabbing
crimson kayak
why do they even want copyrightable names so bad
Because how else can I dmca everything fans make to the ground
storm jungle
They genuinely do
placid crown
I think it's because 40k is becoming more popular so their DMCA fingers are itchy now
orchid lark
the by product of they pirated our films
we lost money on this
its not even like the fanstuff was fantastic
they were good
but never enough to outright replace what GW could even have
placid crown
Is GW legally able to adapt/steal fan content if that fan content uses their IP?
orchid lark
theyve modified it didnt they?
like Astartes looked different
(i still find the sprinting marine very funny)
celest dome
Astartes dude went to work for them though
orchid lark
running like saitama
placid crown
I mean he's running robotically because the suit is doing the work I guess
orchid lark
Space Marine's running animation was top tier
very heavy
that said, Running is hard to animate
oh thats why it bothers me, The Astartes Marine sprinting is vertical
needs to tilt forward a bit
like a choo choo train
crisp heath
some people run like that
orchid lark
yeah they do
them olympians and track runners
but its very tall
that said at least they dont Roadie run like Gears does
crisp heath
I think it fits their terminator-ish superhumanity
orchid lark
very funny to see at least
I think Eternal Crusade followed the Space Marine game sprinting too
crimson kayak
Astartes dude went to work for them though
A minute of silence for the creator of Chapter Master as he didn't receive such an offer after the dmca lol
orchid lark
the hop running
crimson kayak
Yep
crimson kayak
The creator abandoned it after getting multiple dmca what you talking about lol
They didn't?
Then what was the point of changing it into Interstellar army simulator 2015
As a dmca would be the only reason to explode any 40k reference in game
Yeah I knew of Duke's leaving reasons
I just thought the name change and making the 40k assets into a mod for the game was more than just paranoia
celest dome
this? https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/4001/space-marine
I meant as in claiming the therm SM as a name
crimson kayak
me when i make my new board game: Star Marines and the Anubis Apostasy
I mean just go look on etsy or similar websites for model proxies and you can clearly see the most random names to avoid using gw terms
"Socratis Knights", "Cyber Templars", "Minoan Phalanx"
"National Guard" for the IG lol
vale shuttle
Yes I know ive been on Etsy looking for cheap alternatives
alas shipping always murders me
storm jungle
40 minutes, gotta give the man credit, he actually tried and pretty much mostly succeeded
vale shuttle
oh gonna have to give this a watch
rose thorn
this? https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/4001/space-marine
Ah yes, horus Heresy
rose thorn
Insane lieutenant my beloved
I realize that I prefer making characters then chapters lol
crimson kayak
Insane lieutenant my beloved
Thinking about it could he be the guy we see on the trailer? The one saving the terminator beacon
crimson kayak
I mean that would mean the termies managed to get back at the nids
Or that guy has been behind tyranid lines for a while
storm jungle
They all died in the trailer for the most part so 💀
crimson kayak
He must have survived to become a veteran lol
Somehow
Because In the trailer he only has normal armor
Atleast if I remember correctly
rose thorn
I really like the steel knights and the sons of the Phoenix tbh
I like the sons of the Phoenix more but idk how I can explain the absolute psychopath lmao
Iron knights*
I was thinking I could give him the retired deathwatch cauldron
“Oh hey johns returning from the death watch!”
John:
crimson kayak
Iron knights are dark angels that actually have a reason to hunt their fallen
crimson kayak
Yep
rose thorn
Lmao
crimson kayak
Not feudal world
rose thorn
Oh
crimson kayak
It's an industrial one where basically the population'philosofy is "Life is hard and unfair now stop being a bitch and start working"
crimson kayak
Yeah, seems like a word bearer/Ec splice
rose thorn
It’s kinda baller
Especially since war is literally a religious ritual
Black tempers pray before battle
Sisters of battle pray during
Sons of the Phoenix battle is the prayer
I might roll with them
They are insane enoigh where I have free reign
A good color scheme
And also hit all good bits in my Bria
torpid narwhal
What are the word bearers
rose thorn
The best legion
shadow plover
pretty much the legion that kickstarted space marines going heretic
they're dark red and are really into possessions
green loom
And make some kickass priest aesthetic
torpid narwhal
How come the emperor didn't make all of his kids as smart as Gillman?
green loom
How come the emperor didn't make all his kids perpetual like Vulkan?
crystal forum
How come the emperor didn't make all his kids perpetual like Vulkan?
so he doesn't have to pay child support forever
rose thorn
How come the emperor didn't make all of his kids as smart as Gillman?
Each chapter/primarch is built to specialize in soemthing specific
Gulliman was built for diplomacy
Magnus was built for ha ha funny pykers
So on and so forth
torpid narwhal
So on and so forth
But I feel like he should have made them all smart
rose thorn
They all are smart
rose thorn
You don’t ask an electrical engineer to make peace between the cartels
torpid narwhal
Why not
rose thorn
Or a bio engineer to fix your car
soft sable
Some Primarchs had the convenience of being raised on worlds where their inate skills were able to grow and flourish, while some others ended up with the short end of the stick and suffered, because ya know, chaos wanted to subconsciously prep some of em to confederate to their great plan
torpid narwhal
Some Primarchs had the convenience of being raised on worlds where their inate s...
I only know the back story of mortarus
crystal forum
But I feel like he should have made them all smart
have you read books that have primarchs in them? authors love fawning over how superhuman they are
soft sable
Mortarion and the Deathguard lived up to their names, they were very hard to kill thanks to their resilience
torpid narwhal
have you read books that have primarchs in them? authors love fawning over how s...
Ya
rose thorn
Khan was made mainly just to kill xenos
crystal forum
horus is able to straight up make people love him just by existing
rose thorn
Dorn was made for building
torpid narwhal
Brb hsircut
rose thorn
Pert for sieging
Lorgar is a baller ass philosopher actually
Basically anytning that isn’t war related
I’m blanking why was sanguine made?
What was his purpose?
green loom
Pert also for building
green loom
I’m blanking why was sanguine made?
Had to guess? Figurehead
But they also kind of
Deviated
Because of the whole "Thrown around by the warp" thing
soft sable
I think Sanguinius was made out of the Emperors compassion, which makes sense because he was beloved by everyone
rose thorn
Pert also for building
Pert wants to build but his ability is to see the ability in how things can break
green loom
Pert wants to build but his ability is to see the ability in how things can brea...
He builds masterpieces when he gets the chance lmao, I think he's quite fine artistically
rose thorn
Yea lmao, he really just wanted to go do that
crisp heath
Angron is a better fit for "compassion" than Sanguinius
Sanguinius was a fortune teller
rose thorn
Honestly if him and dorn made the palace it would have been invulnerable
green loom
Dorn was better
rose thorn
Dorn can see how things can be improved, and pert can see how things break
green loom
Both Horus and Emps say as much
soft sable
Angron is a better fit for "compassion" than Sanguinius
true til his barbaric home world decided to rutn him into an angry gladiator instead sadly
rose thorn
Both Horus and Emps say as much
Lmao
green loom
Pert had the side effect of being a horrible narcissistic manchild
soft sable
the nails in his brain pretty much removed any room for emotional growth, only fostering hate and anger in him
green loom
As prone to throw a tantrum as he was a nice siege
Which he did
Without fail
Multiple times
crystal forum
plot driven character stagnation
green loom
Whenever pert shows up in the story with plot relevance he dips because of a tantrum lmao
soft sable
If i recall Pert also hated how he pretty much always had to live under Dorns shadow when it comes to architecture, the thing he wanted to do with his life rather then conquest, the rivalry growing so severe that he joined chaos just out of pure spite rather then gaining anything from his now dark masters.
crystal forum
"off i go to do your mother!"
-perturabo, probably
green loom
Not really under Dorn's shadow
He just wasn't given the chance to really build anything
Though
Even if he WASN'T
crimson kayak
Pert wants to build but his ability is to see the ability in how things can brea...
Pert can see the imperfection in everything, ench why he's so good both at building and blowing shit up
green loom
He'd find a source for grievances
Because he ALWAYS found something to complain about
green loom
If i recall Pert also hated how he pretty much always had to live under Dorns sh...
I don't even remember why he went with Horus tbch
But I know he left them in the dirt when he threw a tantrum at the siege lmao
Nearly got Abaddon killed for it
And Fulgrim
crimson kayak
I don't even remember why he went with Horus tbch
Out of guilt for murdering his own people on Olympia
And thinking the emperor would never forgive him for this
Meanwhile horus was like "good job boy"
green loom
Oh right another tantrum he threw lmao
storm jungle
Peter went rogue mostly due to the fact that he kept going on attrition campaign after attrition campaign.
His little sister
LITERALLY
called him a manchild
because Perturabo always acted like "woe is me"
celest dome
Truth hurt
crimson kayak
Yep, and he strangles his older sister too
green loom
Then Forrix(?) walks in after
storm jungle
Basically Perturabo's biggest enemy was himself
he was mistreated by Big E but he himself worsened it
green loom
"Were there any who disobeyed"
"Yes my lord, they've been dealth with"
crimson kayak
Because the older sister says he's the one who fucked up the world by decimating the pop
green loom
So he accidentally Istvaaned his own legion kek
crimson kayak
Because the older sister says he's the one who fucked up the world by decimating...
So literally throws a tantrum and chokes his sister because she finally says he's right, he's the problem
green loom
he was mistreated by Big E but he himself worsened it
See that's the thing
If he wasn't sent on the hardest campaigns
storm jungle
So literally throws a tantrum and chokes his sister because she finally says he'...
'That is not true,' said Perturabo, though the acid of uncertainty began to eat at him. 'He underestimates me. They all do.'
Calliphone went on. 'For a long time, I thought you a fool to follow the Emperor. After all, he is a tyrant like all the rest. Look what he has done to you, I thought. He has brutalised you, and your wars have brutalised your home. But the truth is, brother, I have followed your campaigns carefully, and I noticed a pattern that disturbed and then alarmed me. Always you do things the most difficult way, and in the most painful manner. You cultivate a martyr's complex, lurching from man to man, holding out your bleeding wrists so they might see how you hurt yourself. You brood in the shadows when all you want to do is scream, 'Look at me!' You are too arrogant to win people over through effort. You expect people to notice you there in the half-darkness, and point and shout out, 'There! There is the great Perturabo! See how he labours without complaint!' 'You came to this court as a precocious child. Your abilities were so prodigious that nobody stopped to look at what you were becoming.' She got shakily to her feet. Exoskeletal braces whirred under her skirts.
'Perturabo, this will anger you, but you never truly grew into a man.'
'I am not a man,' he said. 'I am far more.'
crystal forum
> 'That is not true,' said Perturabo, though the acid of uncertainty began to ea...
bro just called a primarch a man child
based as hell
green loom
Yeah the cope that "Pert just needed to be acknowledged" is little more than that
He'll fuck himself up if someone else doesn't do it
coarse pumice
Take Tetris away from him
soft sable
Pert would just throw a fit each time he fills the lines and looses segments of his "build"
green loom
There is no praise, only pity
crimson kayak
The man literally could sense a hole in materium but can't have some sense in his head
soft sable
while were at it also take all versions of Civ away from Guilliman, he can't negotiate peace with the ironically joke warlord who gets the urge to exterminatus everyone the moment he research diplomacy.
storm jungle
God the ork part always gets me
green loom
"Ugh ugh ugh agh urgh"
storm jungle
starts talking like a british pub goer
green loom
Doesn't Farsight speak ork at some point
storm jungle
"PITCH LOOKIN' LUVLIE TEDAY LAD<"
green loom
It's just random guttural sounds
Which is what Mr Chav devolves to after a few pints
So still fitting
storm jungle
I hate it
green loom
Still less monstrous than the brits
storm jungle
least violent genocidist
green loom
They even have teeth!
storm jungle
🦷
green loom
Them prizing them is an evolutionary biproduct of many pub brawls and bad dental hygiene
terse flume
some of the stuff that like, the playerbase knows, specifically the ork belief into technology thing
that's not known to the internal players of the setting, right? like no one exploits that knowlege in any meaningful way
like, idk, paint your ships purple and then spread a rumour to the orks that you stole some of their good paint
green loom
For one
Whatever effects the Ork gestalt field has are localized
Their stuff works regardless of paint or the field, but with the field it works better
As I understand anyway
terse flume
if they see something purple from far away can they see it?
kind of a koan of a question
green loom
It's just sneaky, not invisible
And if it had such a profound effect, everything would be painted green, because green is best
I wouldn't be surprised if it had no real effect, and was more for just designation anyway
crimson kayak
The more orks the more powerful the gestalt field
Also yeah, ork stuff works most of the time, meks are not just throwing shit vaguely together
Mekboys actually have instinctual mechanical knowledge
Meanwhile the color thing imo is more subtle than people think
Making your bike red with orks around is not gonna turn it into a Ferrari, but maybe it can go a bit faster
Basically I consider more a stacking buff type of thing
crimson kayak
Anyhow, everyone here saying favorite chapter, guard regiment and such, true question is
Best ork klan?
green loom
Blood Axes
celest dome
Crooked Moon Tribe
crisp heath
Its blood axes
blood axes are the scariest orks
hmm
maybe deathskulls tho
both of them are scary I guess
crisp heath
which isn't to say orks aren't scary but the other orks are scary on the individual level, whereas the idea of a horde of gorilla fungi either crashing down on you with heavy mechanization and armor or actually just sneaking up on you and employing tactics is much worse than big guys with armor plating or rich guys with guns they still cant hit anything with or just an angry drunk dinosaur
coarse pumice
echo vault
Quick refresher, so the great horned rat is the chaos gods with no positives. Bloodshed and murder with no honor, deceiving and plotting with no ambition, plague and disease with no rebirth, excess and pain with no passion right
storm jungle
Quick refresher, so the great horned rat is the chaos gods with no positives. Bl...
Yes.
echo vault
Passion can be replaced with whatever fits it better thanks
storm jungle
There isnt really any excess and passion stuff but yeah otherwise all on point
echo vault
It's probably why they "replaced" slaanesh
vivid turtle
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Liberator_Autostub just discoverd this weapon today and i think it'd fit really nicely into darktide
considering we alreayd got one revolver i think another one could be nice
echo vault
Slaanesh forces are still around
I'm saying more on the major pantheon for now because the indomitable mass of rat vs sheer passion is inevitable
storm jungle
I'm saying more on the major pantheon for now because the indomitable mass of ra...
awful
echo vault
r/skavenslaves will be canon to AoS and it would probably destroy the setting
Just instant vaporization
storm jungle
echo vault
You'll just see the aos section disappear one day
crimson kayak
im still waiting for an ikrit model with it's warmachines
urban spire
what was it?
crimson kayak
nsfw skaven
urban spire
ah
crimson kayak
lots of it
storm jungle
Skaven fans are either great people or just fucking freaks so
green loom
Comparatively no
storm jungle
Ehhh it depends
40k NSFW is literally just
- Eldar
- Sisters
- Tau
its very bland and appeals to like people with the most basic tastes
green loom
A LOT of space marine stuff
crimson kayak
- the occasional chaos worshipper/bestiality
crimson kayak
oh definetly
storm jungle
as with anything NSFW the basic/bland stuff gets the most attention
urban spire
that's true
green loom
Now only one question remains
Why do we know this?
urban spire
come on it's not 1700s america we're not puritans
crimson kayak
i mean we are 40k fans, being a degenerate is kind of a standard by now
storm jungle
Callidus NSFW isnt that much yeah
storm jungle
Now only one question remains
Why do we know this?
because as with any human we all like porn lol
in varying degrees obviously
green loom
I only draw incredibly muscular males
arctic talon
Lol
crisp heath
t. skaven fan(probably)
urban spire
skaven are kinda a low point in warhammer faction writing anyway
urban spire
well
storm jungle
they could make a shitty particle accelerator
urban spire
there's highs and lows
storm jungle
and the explanation?
"Haha warpstone"
lmao
"How did they make nukes"
warpstone
"How do they have guns"
warpstone
"How did they land people on the moon"
warpstone
FAAAACK
urban spire
"how do they make more skaven?"
don't worry about it
crisp heath
why didnt everyone do that then wtf
storm jungle
why didnt everyone do that then wtf
Its radioactive crack sadly
near wasp
i always tune into convos at the weirdest time
urban spire
and now i don't like skaven
crisp heath
isn't mordheim about stealing chunks of it for your respective faction to do something with it
urban spire
yep
storm jungle
Yeah but thats selling
long term exposure to warpstone basically drives you mad and mutates you
aka the people you are supplying it to
urban spire
warpstone is warp, but stone
near wasp
we getting lit on that chaos pack?
storm jungle
You bet we are
urban spire
skaven have fun things like warpstone snuff
storm jungle
arctic talon
Warp stone is unironically
Super dangerous
Which is why almost no one else uses it
near wasp
i just lost my lighter that was just infront of me, i think a skaven stole it
arctic talon
That shit kills you
storm jungle
Yeah its great
especially if you are some runaway wizard wanting that warp-boof-boof
urban spire
fuck that short is funny
storm jungle
I love it
urban spire
i love skaven, they are the worst and i wish they didn't exist
near wasp
skaven remind me of tarkov so i feel right at home with them
urban spire
yeah the rat memes pull heavily from the skaven
crisp heath
Skaven really saw functionally limitless energy and said "hell yeah I smoke crack"
rose thorn
I have a plan for my sons of the Phoenix Gulliman proxy, it’s gonna be a statue of dorn being pulled by servitors - wait shit how big is gulls base
Uhhh
60mm that should be good
And then probably a chapter master or some guys with flaming power swords guarding it
green loom
queen laurel
skaven remind me of tarkov so i feel right at home with them
And just like in tarkov they make some of the most dangerous weapon abominations I've seen
crystal forum
i still don't really know why the imperium uses autocannons if heavy stubbers are so common
celest dome
Autogun and Stubgun are often interchangeable
So different patterns with different advantages
celest dome
Cheaper
Bolts are more expensive, and less precise on longer range
Usually have a worse RoF
And are more difficult to handle
topaz gate
Is Kaldor Draigo still kicking? I hope his is. I want confirmation he’s batshit insane
orchid lark
why use autocannons instead of boltguns
Some Autocannons are just also just cooler than bolters
Leman Russ Exterminator my best friend
If I had some time and money
Id make a Malcador tank that is bristled with Autocannons for no reason
celest dome
Is Kaldor Draigo still kicking? I hope his is. I want confirmation he’s batshit ...
Still alive
topaz gate
Bitchin
orchid lark
Grey Knights codex soon hopefully
(as in next year I guess)
Wanna see what the silver boys been up to more now
green loom
Nice to see that Crowe isn't dead yet
crimson kayak
Grey Knights codex soon hopefully
Man my brother would be pissed as he bought Crowe and a paladin team recently lol
crimson kayak
I have a plan for my sons of the Phoenix Gulliman proxy, it’s gonna be a statue ...
You usually don't want to make giant proxy moving statue of your primarch, or Atleast it didn't end well when they tried with ferrus
terse flume
bolters are notoriously finnicky, too
an autogun is basically the same technology that exists now, a bolter is insanely complicated mechanically by comparison.
green loom
And needs boatloads of maintenance comparatively
terse flume
yeah, i can't remember where i read it but i remember reading something like it's not just that space marines are physically strong enough to handle bolters, it's also that they take everything so achingly serious that they'll bother to spend a day field stripping it and praying to keep the machine spirit happy
echo vault
Wtf happened to the mortal servants and warriors of chaos after the end times, it would be kinda a waste if the gods killed them all as the world ended
celest dome
Wtf happened to the mortal servants and warriors of chaos after the end times, i...
Munched
Some went into the Realm of Chaos, and presumably sent to other reality/war
Other likely became Lesser Daemons
terse flume
everyone says oh chaos doesn't care about people etc etc. the same half of the imperium's military has been fighting the remaining industrial capacity and population density for ten thousand years
to me that implies their battlefield medicine has to be pretty fuckin good. sure you'll get some spikes but whatever go goth
pale onyx
It’s lore cannon Nurgle loves his servants
green loom
Nurgle doesn't love anything, he's a crazed force of nature not a grandpa
near wasp
Grandfather nurgle loves us all except morty, hes in time out
terse flume
love is a byproduct of the organic life process, so i think nurgle can genuinely love. same as khorne can genuinely hate
crisp heath
its pretty hard to permakill stuff that just gets banished back to the warp when it dies, and there's constantly new traitors joining tho
echo vault
There's some weapons that can Permakill demons, only one I can think of is a heresy era blade called a divining blade
arctic talon
It’s lore cannon Nurgle loves his servants
He loves them the same way an abusive spouse does
pale onyx
Yes
crimson kayak
Grandfather nurgle loves us all except morty, hes in time out
And Ku'Gath too
For you know, trying to articially engineer Entropy and shit
near wasp
And Ku'Gath too
Roticus is nurgles favorite and your laughing
crimson kayak
I meant in the exceptions
Wich btw I confused with fantasy Ku'Gath
But apparently post Plague Wars 40k Ku'Gath gets shafted too
near wasp
But apparently post Plague Wars 40k Ku'Gath gets shafted too
He got shafted because his godblight failed and big e burned the garden
crimson kayak
Yep, knew about that didn't knew he got disowned too
crimson kayak
Best part was the cadian guy ramming his leman russ into him before putting a power sword into his skull
Wich btw fucking hell now that I think of it that guy fucked up 2 great unclean ones
near wasp
A true son of cadia
echo vault
The chaos gods in fantasy/aos make more sense than 40k tbh, just always existing and taking an interest in humans and mortals to just fuck with them is more believable than 3/4 chaos gods being created in 40k in ancient times, slaanesh being created is the exception though that's really well done
arctic talon
Belakor is neat in 40k since he’s confirmed to not be human
crimson kayak
I mean except slaneesh the other three were always present too in 40k
We just had the war in heaven instead of the polar gates collapse
echo vault
Id prefer that, plus you wouldn't have people arguing about who is more powerful of a chaos god due to it being ever changing
Not just khorne appeared first so most powerful, a scale of power is not fitting of chaos
crimson kayak
Tbf that's pure speculations
Just like imaginary primarch match-ups
Or else the great game wouldn't be a thing is someone was more powerful than all the othera
echo vault
Someone interpreted some information weirdly as fact and it fucked everything up also wtf did this chaos warrior do
crimson kayak
Someone interpreted some information weirdly as fact and it fucked everything up...
Most similar to the space marine for making him 40k
coarse pumice
Challenge him probably
crimson kayak
Also probsbly that
echo vault
That guy was a dumbass
crimson kayak
Yeah my belakor model is set to 40k so I have a random primaris in there
echo vault
Cutting the chaos warrior in half where all the chaos stuff is pouring out and making the other half the primaris could be neat as a "this dude is in both universes" deal
pale onyx
Isn’t the pro about collecting a daemon army is you can use it for age of sigmar and 40k?
crimson kayak
Cutting the chaos warrior in half where all the chaos stuff is pouring out and m...
Vertical cut sadly
crimson kayak
Isn’t the pro about collecting a daemon army is you can use it for age of sigmar...
Yep, most models with tactical bodies on the base have both an aos and 40k version when applicable
pale onyx
Since the models are the same like plague bearers
crimson kayak
Without the tactical bodies you can just use the model as is
pale onyx
Yep, most models with tactical bodies on the base have both an aos and 40k versi...
Yeee exactly which is why I’m considering rn if I want to collect a Nurgle daemon army, death guard army or astra militiarum
echo vault
Vertical cut sadly
Sad
I hope the larger beastmen like cygors are in 40k as chaos mutants of something, I cast rock is beautiful
pale onyx
Favorite spell
crimson kayak
You could use them as proxies for larger daemons/chaos shit and use the beastmen killteam for normal models
echo vault
That's true
pale onyx
But yeah for collecting my first army I’m stuck between horrifying daemons of Nurgle or normal humans fighting impossible shit like that
crimson kayak
Go nurgle traitor guard and do both
pale onyx
Nah because then they have mutations and shit and aren’t actual humans
crimson kayak
I mean depends
There's a nurgle regiment where like, only 1 every 7 gets the mutations for all the others
And they just put down the infected ones like dogs
Can't remember it if was Volpone Bluebloods or another one
echo vault
They need to implement the chaos variants of beastmen besides tzaangors we need some pestigors they have slaangors now in aos
Khornegors, idk
crimson kayak
Can't remember it if was Volpone Bluebloods or another one
Confirmed it's the 14th Volpone Bluebloods
echo vault
Gw needs to hire me, 40k bloodbowl that shit would print money
crimson kayak
"The Plague God answers, rendering them cured, except for every seventh soldier amongst them. These unfortunates endure all the disease and pestilence their comrades should have, bloating into dirtsmeared, infectious spawn whose wails and stench drives the rest of the regiment mad with guilt and horror. The Bluebloods turn their guns on their former comrades before throwing in their lot with their Death Guard tormentors"
crimson kayak
Gw needs to hire me, 40k bloodbowl that shit would print money
I mean, that would mean blood bowl is making money, wich as far as I'm aware it isn't
I could be wrong through
echo vault
They keep making models for it
crimson kayak
Dunno, I just like, never hear about people playing it
I saw more people playing Blackstone Fortress
echo vault
They have a game series for blood bowl and I heard the newest game kinda stinky
Video game*
celest dome
Bloodbowl is a pet porject iirc
crimson kayak
Yeah with the third one they just fucked up completely
They basically made it close to exclusively multiplayer with just a bunch of small """story""" tournaments
echo vault
Sounds bad and boring
crimson kayak
Only one of the games I refunded so that's my 2 cents on it lol
echo vault
I've refunded a few games, none 40k related at least not yet, I didn't play the 40k chess game
crimson kayak
If you like chess with a twist it's not bad
Otherwise you know, it's tactical chess
echo vault
Has there been a truly terrible Warhammer game besides the new blood bowl? Like dawn of war 3 is boring and not as refined as the other two games but if you only played dawn of war 3 it'd be whatever
vale shuttle
there's been a tonne of truly awful warhammer games
most of them are garbage shovelware that everyone's forgotten about by now
echo vault
There's a dos version of space hulk from the 90s
crimson kayak
Oh God there's a lot
vale shuttle
lemme see if i can find the steam page for a few truly awful warhammer games
echo vault
Yeah I probably blocked some from memory
crimson kayak
lemme see if i can find the steam page for a few truly awful warhammer games
The one with the dark angels against the orks, can't even remember the name
vale shuttle
the one im thinking of that perfectly encpasulates "awful warhammer game" is like a knockoff chess game
crimson kayak
Lol
echo vault
I think that's the tactical chess game you were talking about
crimson kayak
Regicide
echo vault
It was blood angels and orks
crimson kayak
Yep, the chess one is regicide
echo vault
The Freeblade game for mobile was filled with micro transactions
crimson kayak
Yep
echo vault
And when I beat it the game deleted my fucking save
crimson kayak
There's also the jank fest that are Mordheim and Necromunda
crimson kayak
regicide isn't on steam
Not anymore
echo vault
At least hired gun was alright
vale shuttle
OH BABY
crimson kayak
Oooh you can't buy it
vale shuttle
this one is truly awful
i remember that totalbiscuit reviewd it while he was still with us, and he was just scathing
he fucking hated it
echo vault
I respect gw for being open for the IP but there can be some garbabe
crimson kayak
If it's f2p and warhammer chances are 90% it's absutely micro transactions shit
crimson kayak
this one looks truly garbage
Mechanically wise it's not even that bad
vale shuttle
well this is a f2p CCG
crimson kayak
They just went cheap on its production
Unironically this and Legions are pretty good
vale shuttle
this one i just fgound about but "MMORPG and strategy" sets off alarm bells in my head
echo vault
On steam the lowest rated game for Warhammer is blood bowl 3
And one called Armageddon golgotha
vale shuttle
a lot of warhammer games are just not played because they're boring pedestraian garbage
like, there are very few notable warhammer games
crimson kayak
And one called Armageddon golgotha
That's a dlc
echo vault
The other ones are just bad dlc
Well shit
Like winds of magic for vermintide 2 is thumbs down
crimson kayak
Yeah, also looking at the steam list a lot of the bad ones got purged
echo vault
That Horus heresy legions game is mostly negative
crimson kayak
It's not that bad, just a pain to farm for shit
echo vault
Since that's like clash of clans warhammrr
crimson kayak
Hearthstone warhammer
echo vault
That's somehow worse
crimson kayak
Since that's like clash of clans warhammrr
This one is Drop Assault
Wich also wasn't really that bad before it got chock-full of micro
vale shuttle
warhammer games is a sea of mediocrity with a handful of good games
crimson kayak
I played a lot of 40k stuff I'm not proud of
echo vault
I just want them to release all the art from Horus heresy legions
vale shuttle
like, you've got dawn of war, the tide games, uuuhhhh - total war...
oh, i've heard mechanicus is good
crimson kayak
Mechanicus is really good
echo vault
There's like art for imperator titans fitting for the FW heresy Black books on there
Space hulk is alright
crimson kayak
Inquisitor martyr is fine for a Diablo 40k game
Daemonhunters I heard it was a worse version of Mechanicus
With some interesting mechanics
celest dome
Space Hulk is alright if you play in Multiplayer
crimson kayak
Wait
echo vault
Battlefleet gothic
crimson kayak
What space hulk
echo vault
Deathwing
celest dome
Space Hulk Death wing, as it's the last of the Space Hulk game
echo vault
Battlefleet gothic 1 and 2 are good
celest dome
Deathwing isn't really great though
crimson kayak
Deathwing isn't really great though
"fun with friends, never touch alone" pile
Oh yeah, then there's the forbidden ork game
echo vault
The devs for these Warhammer games have armies of talented artists but the gameplay is like monkeys on typewriters bad
crimson kayak
echo vault
Isn't that new Ork game alright
echo vault
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1253190/Warhammer_40000_Dakka_Squadron__Flybo...
That game is based on the comic which is gorgeous
crimson kayak
The new one is fine, just needed a little bit more time in the oven
crimson kayak
That game is based on the comic which is gorgeous
Sadly the gameplay is like flying shit bricks
echo vault
So like most Ork fighter planes?
crimson kayak
True
Oh yeah, I never played it but Aeronautica Imperialis had a game too didn't it?
crimson kayak
There is one
It's sadly, not good
But also not f2p mobile trash bad
A meh game if you will
celest dome
Deathwing 2 should really lean toward the tide formula
crimson kayak
A ***meh*** game if you will
Oh wait, it's not on steam anymore that one tok
Yeah they really purged 90% of the stuff they did didn't they
echo vault
Probably a good idea
crimson kayak
I mean, better for us as that technically means it's free abandonware now
queen laurel
So like most Ork fighter planes?
Well 90% of their aircraft are probably storm boyz
After all if you're insane enough to just strap a jetpack and engage an enemy plane in a dogfight you could win
I mean you have a chance of dying but when was the last time ork technology was stable?
coarse pumice
crimson kayak
i just found out the shittiest plasma pistol in the galaxy
Minute 1:00 when Captain Wolffe rolls a 0% damage plasma pistol and wastes 3 shots on an ogryn
crimson kayak
lol
crimson kayak
i found it funny... i laughed
winter vessel
Hah
In the Darktide intro when you launch the game. Is that an example of what a successful warp jump looks like?
crimson kayak
yeah it's a bit of a rough one
storm jungle
The roughness of it is mostly done for dramatic effect
nobody wants to watch a smooth warp transition
crimson kayak
yep, in the RT game you can just walk around the ship during warp travel
winter vessel
Interesting. I just thought with how much agony life is like in 40k and what crap hands ships are dealt with, that was the least of the worst of warp jumps.
storm jungle
I mean kind of?
Its mostly also because most warp jumps have nothing happening aside from minor paranormal activity
the real horror is what IF something awful happens
crimson kayak
Interesting. I just thought with how much agony life is like in 40k and what cra...
it's funny cause ours is a rogue trader ship requisitioned by the inquisition, so it should be pretty kitted out
winter vessel
Its mostly also because most warp jumps have nothing happening aside from minor ...
Orks call this in-flight entertainment, while getting ready to go krumping on a planet.
crisp heath
at least a few books and blurbs seem to mention warp nightmares even in perfectly routine runs with the fields on and everything
If it makes you feel any better, they have them in Asia
arctic talon
at least a few books and blurbs seem to mention warp nightmares even in perfectl...
Warp nightmares aren’t what happened during the darktide intro tbf
There was def some warp activity
Going on
crisp heath
Honestly a China themed chapter with Fu talisman purity seals would be sick
queen laurel
Honestly a China themed chapter with Fu talisman purity seals would be sick
And the librarians using Long Dragons as a projectile
Now that would be something
sharp grove
In 40K are there any equivalent to physical music like record vinyls, jukeboxes, cassette tapes, CDs?
Playing with flavour text for a music mod in game
uneven temple
sure
arctic talon
In 40K are there any equivalent to physical music like record vinyls, jukeboxes,...
Yes
sharp grove
What are they known as? I found data-slates and pict-recorders but that's not quite it
summer rover
i don't think there's any set terms. if you're writing, you can just use archaic records.
sharp grove
That works, thanks for the insight. Yeah it's for writing.
The mod I'm making adds a 'jukebox' of sorts in the Mourningstar hub where you can choose tracks to play and I'm tinkering with interaction text like "Access Phonic Recordings", "Select Auricular Dataslate" etc
celest cedar
Is there any PMC company in 40K like Blackwater, Wagner?
Its often Imperial Guard here and there. surely a PMC company would exist
crisp heath
There are mercenaries, mostly deldar, orks or minor xenos. Human mercs do exist, but they're relatively rare and you mostly see them around rogue traders.
PMCs were mostly an under the radar issue when a lot of 40k stuff was being solidified, and humans are pretty much universally either part of the Imperium, which wouldn't really respond well to a military whose loyalty is for hire, or Chaos, which is uh, Chaos, so.
echo vault
I wonder what the new imperial fist chapter master will be this edition
Who was the imperial fists captain that got demoted wasn't it Damien Lysander
Some name like that
He was like first captain until he kept trying to kill shon'tu and it cost men so the chapter master demoted him to 6th company
uneven temple
Damien Leicester
orchid lark
Is there any PMC company in 40K like Blackwater, Wagner?
Looks at Wagner's Rusich's division. Yeah we got Krieg
arctic talon
Its often Imperial Guard here and there. surely a PMC company would exist
The imperium usually never hires human mercenaries what so ever due to how it functions, xenos however have tons of mercenary options, kroot, eldar, a bunch of minor races
The closest the imperium has to mercenaries are conscripted criminals
orchid lark
Merchants probably have their own bodyguards but I’ve never heard of them loaning them out
Probably not as well equipped either
Well trained? Maybe but equipped prolly not
arctic talon
Merchants probably have their own bodyguards but I’ve never heard of them loanin...
Yeah there’s “private” guards
But they ultimately serve the imperium
Wether they’re willing to is another question entirely
Every human is the imperiums bitch ultimately
orchid lark
“The general aint paying me, the grox leather seller is.”
Gets shot at anyway
Very collectivistic in some broad sense
orchid lark
it be like CHOAM
hallow basin
Wether they’re willing to is another question entirely
Severan Dominate be like:
celest dome
Afaik there is no historical semblance to it, could probably look it up inthe game wiki or forum, someone would probably have already noted it
arctic talon
The closest thing they’re a reference to is irl wax seals
But they didn’t have the paper stuff under them
celest dome
And wax seals weren't used on armours and stuff didn't they ?
storm jungle
Yeah its not a warhammer reference
its just a wax seal which the church tended to use, just not as regularly
You cant also exactpy copyright a wax seal with parchment hanging from it as something you "own" for your setting
hallow saddle
John Blanche loved to purity seals in his art, I don't know whether he came up with it or where he got the idea from
P sure they're straight from the art
I don't know! Would be cool to ask him about it
storm jungle
Its too loose to be really a reference is what im saying
its literally just a wax seal
warhammer doesnt own it
Bro literally everyone uses red wax
Its really not, again
celest dome
Red Wax was the most used colour for nobility and high powers
storm jungle
^
also like
put yourself in the place of the devs
"Yeah lets put red wax everywhere, totally a warhammer reference yes"
its not just the vestal though
celest dome
It could be a warhammer reference, it's even most likely one, but it's not definitely one
storm jungle
Also again
only connection:
religious
woman
wears armor
when sororitas themselves were just made from the concept of "what if we made nuns with guns"
its not a super original concept
green loom
The designer was maybe mildly inspired by Warhammer when designing the char but I doubt it's a conscious reference to 40k
storm jungle
Yeah pretty much
also putting religious text on seals or stapling them onto people is not a 40k thing either
Ofuda's and such exist for the exact same purpose
John was a massive closeted weeb so yeah
thats not getting into half the fetish stuff in his art 
celest dome
hallow saddle
They saw a good idea and knew it would work perfectly, they borrowed the idea, it's the Warhammer tradition
storm jungle
bingo, perfect followup to what i said
vale shuttle
i guess that makes 40k one big reference to dune
crimson kayak
it's not only red
the wax thing is to represent the token for the vestal class (correction, all classes)
as in the first DD the vestal already resembled kind of a sigmar warrior nun vibe
the red wax with undisclosed stuff is just to represent the first career path of the classes
i mean, purity seals are peak warhammer true, but skulls and war and shit is just part of the grimdark genre
celest dome
Make sense, more Dilara lore 
storm jungle
I always wanted to say that 🙏
celest dome
Still, Warhammer are your maternal grandparents now
vale shuttle
Make sense, more Dilara lore <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
when are we getting the dilara lexicanum page
celest dome
Sorry but we can't do it, The Inquisition doesn't like it when we reveal its secret
storm jungle
crimson kayak
when are we getting the dilara lexicanum page
It ain't good to be asking questions like that
vale shuttle
you click on the link and it sends you to a memetic kill agent from the SCP foundation
storm jungle
lmao
vale shuttle
time for me to write my sos cadre to be based on the SCP foundation
green loom
Based?
vale shuttle
WHEN THE FUCK DID THEY MAKE 6000 SKIPS
Wait no sorry I misread
WHEN THE FUCK DID THEY MAKE 8000 SKIPS
crimson kayak
skips?
vale shuttle
SCPs
orchid lark
its the things boxers do
green loom
As I understand things got popular and it was flooded with garbage
orchid lark
true that
orchid lark
i remember when it was mostly mundane things that you can see in everyday life thats like creepy pasta-ey