40k-lore-chat

[vale shuttle]

no.

[upbeat dagger]

or is it just like

[vale shuttle]

no.

[upbeat dagger]

dead in the water rn

[vale shuttle]

every single army is getting an index

[crimson kayak]

i mean, i prefer it this way tbh as 10e will need a lot of sanding and small changes to truly be good with how they are releasing rules and such

[upbeat dagger]

ohh ok

[vale shuttle]

so every single army is going to get a new suite of rules and datacards

the only army that's getting a major refresh model wise is tyranids

[upbeat dagger]

i really want admech but i know admech is garbage rn

[vale shuttle]

however, EVERYONE is getting new rules entirely from scratch

yeah well

[upbeat dagger]

my 2nd choice is ravenguard

[vale shuttle]

admech might be OP in 10e

[vale shuttle]

everyone is getting new rules, i cannot stress this enough. we do not know who will be powerful and who will be weak

[upbeat dagger]

fair

[vale shuttle]

every faction is getting new rules. there are a whole new set of rules for everything.

[upbeat dagger]

also the lion is dope as fuck, kinda wanna buy his mini just to have

same with guiliman

[crimson kayak]

wait, did imperial agents rules get revealed yet?

[vale shuttle]

no, but thjey have revealed imperial agents are getting their own codex

in the next few weeks each codex is getting a reveal

every day a new reveal with a sneak peak of rules

imperial agents will be in that mix somewhere, probably arouind the end

[crimson kayak]

yeah, sad it's most surely gonna be just the "kill teams we can't fit into normal armies" codex

[vale shuttle]

yes

it'll be "kill team we can't fit into normal armies" and "weird models that don't belong in their current armies"

[crimson kayak]

but the new inquisitorial kill team makes me hope a little bit

as it already works by attaching other factions to it

like scions or SoS

[green loom]

We just need some more inquisitor models

[crimson kayak]

yeah, maybe also some inquisitor models not from fucking forge world

[green loom]

Like most things they'd actually have as acolytes are already there between guard/sisters/scions

[vale shuttle]

im pretty sure imperial agents is just gonna be "we decided to make 40k rules for these weird models we've never known what to do with"

[crimson kayak]

yep, considering it includes exclusively Astra Cartographica and Inquisitors

aka the three oddball killteams

oh wait, forgot the Arbites are there too

now we just need Knight Household Guard and Death Cult and that codex is basically complete

[vale shuttle]

im prettttyyyy sure that knight household guard would end up int eh knights codex

or at least god i hope so

[celest dome]

Knight House Guard for Kill Team

Special action is being able to call in a Knight pilot to shot on the area

[vale shuttle]

that actually sounds cool

[crimson kayak]

i mean it could work also storywise if they are ever gonna pick back up the Nachmund rift conflict

considering we got left with everyone racing the fuck back to the Sanctus Wall and the Wardens of the Gauntlet basically starting to legion build

with a good fuckton of chaos knights on the other side

[green loom]

Does anyone know pathfinder lore

[crimson kayak]

you mean dnd?

[green loom]

No pathfinder

[crimson kayak]

ok yeah maybe i didn't choose the best term to use

i mean Kingmaker and Path of the Righteous are good for learning some of it

[green loom]

I like the Redeemer Queen bit

And that literal Satan is the God of Lawyers and Politicians

[crimson kayak]

yeah sadly with most of pathfinder being OGL unless you go get the material like campaigns and such it's all very open ended

oh yeah! almost forgot! there's also space travel and aliens, like, actual aliens and not multi-dimensional beings like mind flayers

but now get the only ever image of an household chaos knight guard

[celest dome]

Chaos though

We also have the Titan Guards

[crimson kayak]

yeah but titan guards are much more skitarii looking

[celest dome]

They are Skitarii

Well Secutarii but still

[orchid lark]

Literally doing their job, Inquisition be like, uh no, you cant achsually do that

[crimson kayak]

literally guarding the only passage through the great rift

[orchid lark]

at least other chapters are on their way

[crimson kayak]

they already arrived and proceeded to get fucked up, the Wardens are the collective force of marines who swore to defend the Nachmund Gauntlet

the Castellans of the rift with their weird Death Guard colors are the main chapter

[rose thorn]

When you hire them do you get a sign to put on your yard

Secured by secutarii

[rose thorn]

Lmao that guy in the front is literally just a slave to darkness

[orchid lark]

the castellans of the rift should just say oh we're crusading, we can technically go above the 1k limit

[crimson kayak]

the problem is not with the castellans numbers, but the fact that the whole bunch of random marines with them are starting to call their special group "wardens of the gauntlet" and started working like a single force, so technically everyone there should go "oh yeah mate, random crusade passing through"

[orchid lark]

we're a small battlefleet battlegroup strikeforce, not a chapter

wink wink

[rose thorn]

wow the white scar successors cool lmao

maybe becausew there isnt 90

and they are allowed to do waht ever htey want

[crimson kayak]

now if only they had more than two senteces of lore

total

[rose thorn]

true lmao

i think i really like the storm reapers and marauders

[rose thorn]

wait were the marauders that guy's self insert chapter?

[green loom]

Hello I speak low to high Gothic

[crimson kayak]

if you mean the "devastated a craftworld" chapter nope

it's the invaders

[rose thorn]

Oh good

I was worried

[rose thorn]

But like fr that seems extremely dumb

[coarse pumice]

Yep

[green loom]

Anyone remember this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRDeRDn5DjM

[summer rover]

you could post that preload image pretty much any time you like. we know there's always more space marines getting made.

[slow jacinth]

What's all the tubey stuff on the psyker's head gear

[crimson kayak]

Neural dampeners

And neuro-active wiring

Basically failsafes for the perils

[storm jungle]

GW trying to be hip with the whole "haha we make lots of marines get it" was some peak cringe humor ngl

[green loom]

The stormcast one landed better

[storm jungle]

Agreed lmao

[crimson kayak]

I mean, as much as people are gonna scream "Fantasy Marines!" Atleast they are actually new

[crimson kayak]

Wich btw, is something I never understood outside of the full body armor as grail knights, warrior priests and chaos warriors already filled the fantasy marine role

[green loom]

Stormcast work fine as their own thing

Most people toting that just kinda

Don't read

[storm jungle]

Stormcast basically launched as land-marines before developing their really cool identities afterwards.

People that don't want to accept that as said above either don't read or are just salty, and this comes from someone like me who doesn't like AOS all that much

Oh man Blacktalon is fucking great

genuinely has to be the only show I have liked on WH+ atm

Yeah same as a person that knows nothing about AOS I have loved it so far.

Yeah lots of developments for it in general, AOS is a big money maker for GW atm due to its easy accessibility and great minis

[green loom]

Black talon was one of the first shown off

It's still better off than Pariah nexus

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah

still waiting on that

[green loom]

Idk what to make of it

It looks like it's their in house anim squad making it

Which is why it might be taking so long since they also did all the edition cinematics

[storm jungle]

Yeah its deffo the 9th edition trailer guys

[green loom]

They did 10th too, you can tell

[storm jungle]

Yeah mostly uh

from the way the marines awkwardly move

they do humans much better

[green loom]

Their shoulder proportions

[storm jungle]

Also yeah thats off as hell

[green loom]

So yeah that's explained at least

Hammer and Bolter got better as time progressed

[storm jungle]

Yeah i like it a lot for its style at least

[green loom]

The one stormcast episode was fun

[storm jungle]

oh yeah 💀

[green loom]

They just uh

Need better voice actors

[storm jungle]

kek

[green loom]

The one episode I utterly just
Detested

Was the Eldar vs marines one

I'm pretty sure they were using straight up scans of the primaris minis and it looked awful

Did the Exodite guys also do Iron Within?

Or were they separate

[storm jungle]

I got no idea it looked great but was just shit

[storm jungle]

That one was dogshit yeah

i had a friend tell me something on it and i couldnt get it out of my head

"It was decent, at first. Then the more I thought on it the more I hated it."

[coarse pumice]

what happened?

[storm jungle]

You get a single guess

its a story with marines and eldar

Go.

[green loom]

I can't like exodite because it had Death Korps in it

But Mr Krabs the Eldar was a fun treat

[storm jungle]

Clancy Brown is always a delight

also yeah Exodite was DRASTICALLY edited in production

it was suppose to be a bit bigger in scope before GW got involved

[green loom]

They had to cut the budget to afford Clancy for 5 minutes

[storm jungle]

LMAO

but yeah its very different compared to its teaser trailer

also just... nothing happens in the story

Tau go to planet

Tau fail to capture eldar

Eldar summons backup

[green loom]

bad voice acting

[storm jungle]

that too

ALSO ITS ALL 30 MINUTES

AND ITS STILL NOTHING

[green loom]

Of awkwardly animated Tau

[storm jungle]

AND THEY STRETCHED THIS OUT OVER 5 FUCKING WEEKS

[green loom]

Fighting awkwardly animated death korps

[storm jungle]

God krieg were the worst

my favorite part was the Krieg guy hitting a stealth suit tau with a trench club

and every braindead krieg fan was like "OMG SHOVEL"

[green loom]

And killing them

[storm jungle]

That too

[green loom]

Because for some reason the cold Tau who just massacred an entire patrol suddenly lost all their reflexes and sensors

[storm jungle]

Also he literalyl gets bonked at the back

it looks so bad lmao

[green loom]

Yeah there's no force behind it lmao

Also Clancy stomping on and breaking the one stealth suit's neck

[storm jungle]

Also those Krieg minis for kill-team had came out like 2-3 months before the animation so they were DEFINITELY shoved in there for that shit

Thats why i got sus seeing the trench club

they were legit just there for marketing

[green loom]

They've taken everything from the Steel Legions at this point

[storm jungle]

Hate em.

[green loom]

Oh well, here's hoping things get better someday

I think Pariah nexus is going to have Death Korps too

Because of course

[storm jungle]

As long as they get gauss-flayed ill be okay

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-warhammer-gauss-gif-24598584

[green loom]

It looks like they might be Mind shackled

[storm jungle]

Yeah its been awhile since i watched the trailer but it had zombie-like guardsman iirc

[green loom]

It might just be the Nexus doing it's thing

Iirc it turns regular humans into pretty mindless husks after a while

[storm jungle]

Hold up

I see that surgical-slab coffn shape

Szeras is doing his thing again

[green loom]

We can't know for sure since that entire plotline got dropped

Without any books

[storm jungle]

hey

White Dwarf exists

[green loom]

Did Draxus do anything?
Is she just dead?

[storm jungle]

She did shit and left

[green loom]

They brought back Ephrael Stern out of nowhere for it and we haven't heard of her since kek

[storm jungle]

Also uh

these are the new cadian lasguns right

[green loom]

Yeah the Garandtrael

[storm jungle]

Yeah i was gonna say

it means it was in pre-production for awhile to match with the models

the trailer is also like 4 months old

so it predates the guard update

[green loom]

Idk what's with it, base Kanty was fine

Though granted both show up

[storm jungle]

I genuinely love the brutalist look of it yeah

just BLOCK

[green loom]

Idm either way, new one just doesn't have a pistol grip

[storm jungle]

Yeah its fine

[green loom]

How come your capital Is have dots

It might be that they were uhhh

Making a skeleton for the Lucius for Krieg

Or something

And just reused it

[storm jungle]

Yeah maybe

its just way too detailed for me

this was genuinely fine

[green loom]

I still hope for a good 40k story game

Maybe Rogue Trader will be it

A part of me will forever yearn for 40k COD

[storm jungle]

same but eh

[green loom]

40k battlefront would be ass

Unless it's only guard

But then you fuck up the revenue

Because 40k marketing is based 99% around space Marines

That would suck

Because they'd be underpowered and anger the marine wojaks

And if you're making a guard game fuck including marines

Fatshark are based for denying the soyjaks clamouring for them

[thick cedar]

The imperium is sleeping on the potential of psykers

[green loom]

The imperium is sleeping on the danger of psykers, we should kill the lot of them

[balmy abyss]

yeah that is my best assumption for the upcoming animation. A Necron experiment in attempts to return to a mortal state using dead humans and reanimating them into a zombie state.

[crimson kayak]

God the fucking fight against the titans and how the battlesuits look like creative mode minecraft players

[balmy abyss]

I do think as well it is a game that will improve over time. It launched too early for one reason or the other. But cant change that now. It is disappointing they were not able to have the content release schedule they desired. But once they get back on track and given some time the game will be much like Vermintide 2 caliber.

[balmy abyss]

I didnt mind that animation as much. The Titan fight was pretty awesome as well as the orbital fight they showed. I do think they pushed the naivety of the Tau soldier a little hard though.

[crimson kayak]

The titans were well done, imo it's just the battlesuits that on some scenes look good, on others they are just moving the still 3d model around with some engine effects.

[balmy abyss]

yeah it is why I am not a huge fan of 3D animations. The movements tend to be clunky and lack fluidity. As well as the facial animation tends to be terrible.

[green loom]

Yeah in like 5 years

It took him forever to make the first one and now he's helping the other projects as well iirc

[minor ingot]

I'd love to kill a Marine boss though

[green loom]

Too bad

[remote widget]

I have a very important lore question

Was horus's Rizz a gift of slaanesh, or a property of the Emperor's geneseed

[storm jungle]

A what?

[storm jungle]

You mean his persuasion techniques?

[remote widget]

His sheer charisma, charming almost half the primarchs and legios to his side

[storm jungle]

He didnt really do that per say

He was just the "best primarch" in the eyes of most of his brothers and his Legion entirely adored him, he also knew just where to poke/jab to get the traitor primarchs to his side.

Its as the Heresy progresses that he basically just becomes a non-entity and lucid dreaming puppet by the time the Siege of Terra begins

[spark falcon]

i'd say he mostly just... appealed to the primarchs ideals and emotions

[storm jungle]

Like sending Perturabo on a grinding campaign against the Hrud knowing by the end of it he'd be on his breaking point and entirely hate Big E because of it

a lot of the traitor primarchs were bad apples from the get-go

[spark falcon]

also that^

[storm jungle]

They just needed a shoulder poke and "Ey, you see that fucker there? Lets kill him"

Most of them almost needed no persuasion minus Magnus who was basically swindled to join Chaos before he fully embraced it

[spark falcon]

wasnt lorgar the first primarch to poke around in chaos shenanagians?

[storm jungle]

Yeah he was the one that ultimately corrupted Horus

[green loom]

"Manipulative dipshit" is very much Emperor Adjacent

[storm jungle]

This tbh

one just has more spikes

[green loom]

Angron was unhinged by default, Pert was unbelievably narcissistic and was hilariously easy to manipulate for Horus, Fulgrim screwed himself by using a daemon sword, Lorgar was Lorgar etc.

The Alpha Legion were doing a convoluted scheme to get rid of chaos before it caused humanity to destroy the galaxy

Kurze was insane

Mortarion was an idiot and an asshole

[storm jungle]

Love this summary

its funny because its all true lol

[remote widget]

Emps really shoulda noticed the twelve foot tall walking red flags that made up at least a third of his sons.

[storm jungle]

To be fair the Heresy needed to happen

or else he'd get fired by GW for breaking script

[spark falcon]

love the 40k lore that can be explained in an incredibly blunt manner

[green loom]

Plus it's implied he knew about and partially gambled on it

[remote widget]

including the godly murderangel they keep locked up in the vaults of terra

[green loom]

The entire Great Crusade/Imperium fiasco was just one big gambit by a narcissist way in over his head

[remote widget]

Proto-primarch, beta-sanguinius... does that guy have any nicknames?

[storm jungle]

nope its just The Angel

but hes not even been in the lore since like

1934

its been awhile

Yep 2003, like i said old af

[green loom]

He's as old as me!

[storm jungle]

lets goooo

[remote widget]

we need inquisitor obiwan sherlock clouseau to go off on a very tongue and cheek exploration to check out these 'lost mythos' of the imperium/galaxy. I'd buy that

@storm jungle thank you

[storm jungle]

Im always happy to make people old by releasing old 40k material

rip Inquisitor tabletop game, you will be missed

🙏

[green loom]

I do this with old video games

Hit em with the old HoMM3 or Stronghold Crusader

[storm jungle]

Stronghold but its a Hive City

"No tithes is good tithes thats my motto!"

[spark falcon]

i know the trigger guard clearly isnt built for it but something about the skitarii's rifles just reads as LEVER ACTION to me and i cant shake it (i don't want to either, lever action is cool)

[green loom]

Wait till you see the double revolver wielding poncho wearing mech cav

[spark falcon]

YO????

that sounds sick as hell

[spark falcon]

OH SHIT RIGHT, those guys are fuckin' awesome

after i get through my patrol box i should scoop up some of these guys

[summer rover]

i think it's funny they made cyborg horses with designs that very clearly would spook the hell out of the horses they're built on.

wait i think those horses have flamethrowers in their face. this is great, those things much throw their riders every engagement. man i love how inept the admech always turn out to be.

[rose thorn]

The robot dogs do have flame throwers

[arctic talon]

They aren’t actually horses, they’re super fucked up canines

Of some species

[celest dome]

The one with Vanguard Skitarii do have Flamer mouth, but not the other iirx

[hardy root]

Skitarii are just funny
I love their design and definetly need to get.more to add to my sororitas

Though I do not wish to see how the remaining human looks like under the hoods

[crisp heath]

its common procedure for the imperium to apparently lobotomize their most well known livestock I doubt the admech would have trouble making behavioral adaptations to their mounts, the real ineptitude would just be using cavalry except apparently cavalry works in this setting

[orchid lark]

There are no dogs on Mars

Wink wink

[arctic talon]

Me when servitor

[summer rover]

i mean cavalry works in real life even now, they're being stupid here is using it in an offensive role ratehr than recon.

[arctic talon]

fun fact

The serbrys raiders are recon troops

Lore wise

That doesn’t translate to the tabletop that great tho lul

[crisp heath]

to be fair, tabletop battles are pretty small, it could easily represent a meeting engagement or skirmish between recon units

[orchid lark]

Battles between

Combat Patrols

Or even

Kill Teams…

More than that would be

Apocalypse

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-look-frog-what-did-you-say-gif-8287956

[crisp heath]

There's games bigger than combat patrol and smaller than apocalypse, isn't there?

[orchid lark]

Combat combat patrols

[arctic talon]

Yeah strike force is the main one played

[crisp heath]

They're only like 500 points

[arctic talon]

2k points

Are strike force

[hardy root]

What is 1k points called

[arctic talon]

Still strike force

[orchid lark]

Combat com patrol

[arctic talon]

Above 500 points is strike force

[hardy root]

Gotcha

[arctic talon]

Above 2k is it’s own thing

And then apocolypse

[orchid lark]

Play some apocalypse with some friends, have a kid dressed up as a titan

[hardy root]

Hmmm how many of one squad can I have btw?

[orchid lark]

For what

[hardy root]

Can I have an unlimited amount of sister squads?

[vale shuttle]

Incursion

Six

[hardy root]

Okay so six squads of 10 each?

[vale shuttle]

Six Squads of five to twenty each

[hardy root]

I think max was 10

[orchid lark]

Get some repentia in there

[hardy root]

For sisters

[vale shuttle]

Assuming you mean battle sisters and not retributirs or Dominions

[hardy root]

Nah no need for repentias

[arctic talon]

Troops like battle sister squads

Are up to 6

[hardy root]

Drown them in bolter rounds

[vale shuttle]

BSS are up to 20

[arctic talon]

Anything else is

3

[vale shuttle]

Dominions are up to 10 models

[hardy root]

I require more bss boxes

Must have army

[orchid lark]

Get some rhinos too

Dont want them foot slogging

[hardy root]

No mone

[vale shuttle]

If you want a bolter heavy sister army consider running artificer crafted storm bolters

[hardy root]

Got sanctorum guard box nearly done

[orchid lark]

Get a box the shape of a rhino

And use it as a count as

[vale shuttle]

They're very good and they work well for me

[orchid lark]

With friends it should be fine

[hardy root]

Morvenn vahl leading a crusade of sisters

[orchid lark]

Oh yeah

What were they

Argent Shroud?

[hardy root]

Morvenn?

I think martyred lady

[orchid lark]

What was Morvenns Coven? Convent

Yeah convent

Yeah Argent Shroud

[hardy root]

Argent

Yes

[vale shuttle]

Morvenn is sanctified isn't she

[hardy root]

Silent but deadly

[orchid lark]

But shes like head honcho tho

[hardy root]

She's a high lord

And abbess sanctorum

[orchid lark]

So she can i guess go around asking for others

Yeah

Top Nun

[arctic talon]

She’s a high lord but doesn’t do much high lording lmao

[hardy root]

Literally highest ranked normal himan

She also has a custodian spear

[orchid lark]

Isnt that the Munitorum tho?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Technically

[orchid lark]

Yeah its Munitorum and someone else

Like Merchants or something

[hardy root]

Shhh

[vale shuttle]

can't wait for the morvenn vahl novel, right GW?

[hardy root]

Vahl best

[vale shuttle]

GW?

[arctic talon]

Head of Munitorum is by far the most important job

[vale shuttle]

you gonna - you gonna get on that?

[hardy root]

Oh my.god vahl novel please

Need more sister books

[arctic talon]

Her ignoring the ecclisarcy is great

[vale shuttle]

i wonder if the new one is good

[orchid lark]

Need more sister crumbs

[arctic talon]

She just fucked off on a crusade

[hardy root]

Which one zalma

[arctic talon]

The moment she got apointed

[hardy root]

I hate phone keyboard

[orchid lark]

She’s doing her job

[hardy root]

She united most if not all orders

[orchid lark]

Thats all that matters

[arctic talon]

Technically she isn’t doing her job

But it doesn’t matter

[hardy root]

Haha

[orchid lark]

Nah her real job

[arctic talon]

Because she has subordinates doing it

[orchid lark]

Not that fake high lord job

High Lords

What a scam

[hardy root]

She stood infront of guilliman

[orchid lark]

Like Congress

[hardy root]

And said fuck politics

[orchid lark]

In dick sucking height

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-look-frog-what-did-you-say-gif-8287956

[hardy root]

Shush

No girlyman

[orchid lark]

Remember when like

13 years ago

[vale shuttle]

the new sisters book that just released

[orchid lark]

There was no sisters content

[vale shuttle]

or is gonna release soon idk

it's coming up soon

[hardy root]

I don't know which one that would be

Sadly only have book of martyrs

Which is amazing btw

Read it

[vale shuttle]

13 years ago GW didn't care about trying to seem like they didn't give a shit about women

[orchid lark]

Dark Eldars and Sisters who?

[arctic talon]

They had a fucking 3e codex lol 💀

[hardy root]

I didn't exist for gw

[arctic talon]

Same with deldar

[hardy root]

Now I have army

[vale shuttle]

but recently they realised women like hobbying too, and so the sisters were released because they can't make female space marines or else someone will actually go and commit a terrorist attack in nottingham

[orchid lark]

Yeah the oldhead men who hated lugging metal around

They’re just gonna pelt GW execs with the sisters of pewter

[arctic talon]

Lol

Pewter rhino

[crisp heath]

They could have gotten away with doing it during primaris and I don't know why they didn't

[arctic talon]

A lethal weapon

[coarse pumice]

Rhino was always plastic

[arctic talon]

Prolly considered it but primaris backlash was already gona be huge

[coarse pumice]

The variants had metal parts though

[vale shuttle]

they didn't because there's a very large amoujnt of people who are suspiciously attached to male only space marines, such that any time female space marines are mentioned they throw a temper tantrum

consider this: female space marines is one of the few topics i know of that's commonly banned in 40k spaces.

[arctic talon]

Reason number 20224818 why warriors of chaos are cooler

[orchid lark]

So we got female Sigmarines and we’re better for it

[arctic talon]

Yeah because it pisses off idiots

[vale shuttle]

because every time it's brought up a lot of people have to make it very clear that they hate the idea

[orchid lark]

Mm boobplate and lightning

[coarse pumice]

They should never have made marines so superhuman

[arctic talon]

All stormcast have boobplate

It came free with your fucking reforging

[crisp heath]

yeah people who point to what the current lore says and primaris was making new lore so perfect time

[orchid lark]

Thank you dwarf gods

[vale shuttle]

it was a perfect time, but it's passed us by now and i don't think we'll get a good opportunity

so if they ever come they'll be hamfisted in

[crisp heath]

if space marines aren't superhuman as they're memed up to be they're pointless, there's like a few million of them in a galaxy with fighting forces that number in the trillions

[arctic talon]

Space marines barely matter

In the grand scheme of things

[orchid lark]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

It’s always the guard fighting and dying

Pdf as well

[vale shuttle]

they never should've released custodes either because custodes are even more biggerer and specialerer than space marines so now you have a small cadre of folk who are absolutely incensed whenever their golden lads get gooned

[orchid lark]

Space Marines are more or less independent assets in a massive war orchestrated by bunch of generals

[arctic talon]

Custodes were a mistake for 40k imo

[vale shuttle]

i see it frequently enough that it gets on my nerves

[arctic talon]

They’re fine in 30k

[crisp heath]

The Guard is one of the forces that makes space marines totally irrelevant as is

[orchid lark]

(Unpopular opinion for Custodes, their models look like shit)

[coarse pumice]

That’s not unpopular

[arctic talon]

They’ve certainly got an asthetic

Also yeah

[orchid lark]

They look like midgets

[arctic talon]

That isn’t that unpopular

[crisp heath]

So having space marines that are even lesser would make them even less relevant

[arctic talon]

Funnily enough the 8e and 9e marine codexes usually don’t have that many marine only things

For the lore stuff

[orchid lark]

Id like when Guard and Space Marines work in tandem (as they fucking should)

[arctic talon]

It’s always marines reinforce guard

[orchid lark]

But GW never wants to show that shit

[arctic talon]

Or marines launch a decapitation strike on the enemy

While guard fights them

Ect.

But that doesn’t look cool in a trailer so

More marines

[orchid lark]

Space Marines being tactical and being the intended spec ops force to help the guard push through?

Nah it doesnt make sense

Guard dies and space marine is hero

Simple as

Sister Of Battles being the better guard but shittier than space marines, Put that in

What

[arctic talon]

If I see one more guard player bitching about the reveals so far I’m going to beat them to death with a metal dread

I’m gona fucking lose it

[orchid lark]

Guard dies, sister of battle almost saves, space marine dramatic helmet reveal

[arctic talon]

Literally everyones weapon stats got worse

[vale shuttle]

sisters of battle are often described as the "heart" of a crusade force, they're the centre of the battle line - keeping the pressure on and their allies motivated

[vale shuttle]

dude have you seen the necrons complaining? it's fujcking bonkers, it's everywhere

[arctic talon]

💀

It’s weird

[orchid lark]

Thats stupid, Sisters should be out there in the fromt

Burn them

[arctic talon]

The Necrons literally got only buffs

For guns

Or at the very least sidegrades

[orchid lark]

Necron players have been bitching since they began from the old days

What else is new

[vale shuttle]

i feel like all the complaints are from people who don't seem to realise that a total reset of the game system means that assumptions from previous editions may not be valid

[coarse pumice]

Think they’ll change the sounding table?

[orchid lark]

Sounding

[coarse pumice]

Wounding

[orchid lark]

Thats kinda nsfw

Oh

Whyd

Whyd it go to sounding

[vale shuttle]

theyve confirmed no

[coarse pumice]

The stats changed so much , and the problem of mass fire being too good

[arctic talon]

Vehicles aren’t vulnerable

To massed infantry fire anymore

Mostly since they got their toughness cranked up super high

[crisp heath]

I don't think space marines work as tactical spec ops in alot of cases, maybe as shock troops

[arctic talon]

Rhinos are T9 now

[crisp heath]

Probably equivalent to tanks and the guard could use more mobile tanks(lorewise) considering lemans are slow as shit

[coarse pumice]

I guess the new toughness values are an attempt to ‘patch’ the 8th wound table to behave more like the classic table

[orchid lark]

Can

Can we just have AV back

[arctic talon]

No

[coarse pumice]

T8 used to be immune to S4, but it was really rare

[arctic talon]

New toughness is basically armor value

Anyways tbh

It’s just got a funny hat on

[vale shuttle]

it makes it so that if a vehicle has 20 bolter shots fired at it, it's only going to take like, 2 or 3 damage

[coarse pumice]

Really the problem was superheavies have no place in regula 40k

[arctic talon]

Tbh super heavies aren’t even good in 40k

In 9e

They get blown off the table

7e style

[coarse pumice]

Want to plat superheavies? We had a game for that: it was called epic

[vale shuttle]

actually i did napkin mathj and this is an overestimate, it's more like one damage

[crisp heath]

had

[coarse pumice]

This is because they and flyers screwed things up in the past, so they’re either overpowered or useless

There isn’t a middle ground

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

GW implied they’re bringing epic back

For Horus heresy at least

Titanicus they’ve said they’re thinking of expanding into 40k

[coarse pumice]

I hope so, though I need to finish building my titanicus stuff

I bought it before lockdown

[arctic talon]

If they add eldar titans to titanicus

[coarse pumice]

But then wasn’t able to play

[arctic talon]

Wonder how they’ll work

Chaos titans will be the exact same in broad strokes prolly

Same with orks

[coarse pumice]

So put them on the back burner

Both would probably get/need a redesign at least

The current warlord came out really well from the old design

[wooden ridge]

I am wondering what makes the tox flamers' fire green..

Is there any lore answer to that?

I've tried to Google the tox flamer itself but didn't find anything useful

[celest dome]

Just chemicals burning

[arctic talon]

Prolly just chemical byproducts

[wooden ridge]

Yeah, I also thought it was supposed to have some infestation effect

But it can be green just because of the design choice to make dreg and scab flamers more different and, hence, readable

[arctic talon]

It’s from the death watch 9e codex

[crimson kayak]

Well that's some tech heresy of the highest order if I ever saw one

[celest dome]

Working with the Inquisition has it's perks

[vale shuttle]

i like reading a random thread on reddit on how humanity could "win" in 40k and finding the comment "sex with sororitas"

real classy, very respectful

[green loom]

I don't think they know what they'd be getting into with that

[vale shuttle]

no what they think is "haha funny girl i want sex woman sex woman i want sex woman give me woman is for sex all good for back to kitchen"

[celest dome]

While they don't have a vow of abstinence, i don't think it would be fun, as they still are religious extremist, even for the setting

[green loom]

They're turbo nutjob, self flagellating, pyromaniac nuns

That's NOT an encounter you're walking away from unscathed

[vale shuttle]

it is CANON* that sorortias are all gay just like space marines

*headcanon (as good as canon)

[green loom]

Closed convent of herculean warrior women

No way this could lead to anything

[vale shuttle]

alll the monogender orders are FULL of the gays

custodes, space marines, sororitas

they're all gay

[green loom]

They're just prayer mates fr fr

[vale shuttle]

there';s a reason i named my canoness sappho

[celest dome]

I still prefer the idea that Custodes are not monogender

[vale shuttle]

custodes are weird

acccording to some author who i forget, the only reason custodes are all men in the lore is because GW only made male custodes models and otherwise there would be female custodes in books and stuff

but also since custodes are just space marines^2 it's commonly accepted that they're all men, they're only ever depicted as all men, and there'd probably be rumblings if a female custodian was ever depicted

this is despite the fact that unlike with space marines, there's no flimsy lore reason justifying all male custodes

wacky

[green loom]

Besides the emperor being sexist

[vale shuttle]

yeah but if you call the emperor sexist you'll get a tonne of people being like "Nuh-uh, the Emperor LOVED humanity and this that and the other person are women so clearly he didn't hate them"

despite the fact that he made all of his children male, his custodians are all depicted as male, and his space marines are all male - locking most of the highest ranking strata of imperial power to men

god i need to write that "The Imperium of Man and fascist machismo" essay at some point

[celest dome]

"Nuh-uh, the Emperor LOVED humanity and this that and the other person are women so clearly he didn't hate them"
Lol, lmao

• Chaos God

[crisp heath]

The reasons all custodes are male is because sisters of silence are their counterpart and the Emperor's vision for humanity is a bunch of greasy, well-muscled men married to a bunch of goth girls (he's not transphobic, Lucifer Blacks are the third gender, assassin)

[mystic geyser]

The Emperor has been a woman before. He's as fluid as they come.

[crisp heath]

Cursed

[green loom]

The Emperor is Erda

[crisp heath]

This is supposed to be a sniper rifle; a longrifle.

W H Y ?

[orchid lark]

dont see a lot of pump action rifles

varmint shootin

[crisp heath]

Yeah, if they're just "ordinary" rifles in the same vein as lever-actions, then I'd get why.

But not Longrifles/Sniper Stubbers.

[blazing minnow]

is there an instance of lasgun shots being colors other than firey red/orange?

such as blue lasgun shots

[crisp heath]

not making women into genetically engineered killing machines means you hate them ofc

[vale shuttle]

then why didn't he

[celest dome]

There isn't really any specific colour

[crisp heath]

because he hated them, we just established that

[vale shuttle]

ah I see okay

[crisp heath]

what's the answer you're looking for?

[vale shuttle]

if this is for modelling purposes, you can use whatever colour you like. lasguns and energy shots in general are fairly vague so you can do what you want with your dudes

red is the standard cause it's evocative and classic

[crisp heath]

I mean he did use women in various military positions throughout, just didn't make them into space marines, why? Prolly cause GW locked themselves into a corner when they were marketing the game primarily to male nerds

There's no real lore reason

[vale shuttle]

yep

[coarse pumice]

Well, there was the monks and nuns thing going on

But all the superhuman/primarch marvel stuff messed it all up

[crisp heath]

Yeah, that. We have warrior monks, but not warrior nuns (not known or fictional ones, anyway)

wha

I'm excluding Joan of Arc

oh

[coarse pumice]

There are warrior nuns in eastern media

Nuns with guns is a popular aesthetic

[crisp heath]

Yeah, but most of them are usually fictional ones.

I mean historical nuns- wait.

Are martial artists and monks/nuns interchangeable in the Eastern context?

[coarse pumice]

They would have their own school/sects

Though really the eastern warrior monk/nuns are more like Aspect Warriors

With lots of smaller affiliated schools/shrines

[crisp heath]

would the dahomey amazons count? they kinda sucked and weren't super religious but they were a female warrior organization, maybe they'd be closer to the sisters of silence then battle nuns tho

[coarse pumice]

In popular legend, Wing Chun was founded by a nun from a shaolin temple

Who escaped the destruction of a shaolin temple

Actually sounds like Exarch lore lol

[terse flume]

i feel like there's something very interesting in the whole "don't worship me" being part of the lore personality cult around the emperor

[coarse pumice]

Well the setting has changed a lot

[orchid thicket]

You really don't need to. The setting writes that all by itself. It's not necessarily clever or insightful for you to point those things out

[coarse pumice]

Yeah

[terse flume]

like, from very passive read it seems like it's something to put in to make it seem like the imperium is hell for his ideals too, which is here and there

but it also works very well as propaganda in a sense

[storm jungle]

You get a medal 🏅

[terse flume]

have your cake and eat it too

[crisp heath]

Why

[storm jungle]

For being smart lmao

[terse flume]

the point of a read is to give your perspective. if someone has something interesting to say then say it

i have read extremely goofy or well treaded takes that are still interesting

[storm jungle]

Also you'd be surprised at how many people miss that point

the Imperium is literally every fascist regime turned to 11 but a lot of people entirely not see it

They have literal death camps lmao

[green loom]

And that's when they're not lobotomizing the undesirables for slave labour

[coarse pumice]

Also, the setting has changed because early on the empire during the emperors time was meant to be more normal but ended up degraded to its current state after he was out of action due to ever growing bureaucracy causing it to come into its current state

[orchid thicket]

Yeah but you see, I would be part of the people running the death camps and the prisoners probably deserve it anyway

Long live the Imperium!

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Also yeah i saw a thread the other day on r40klore

[terse flume]

so the thing i find kinda neat here is that you have dueling lore on the subject

[storm jungle]

"How do space sharks have slave labour? Isnt that bad"

and im like

bro

[terse flume]

where, some writers write you know, this horrible thing that horrible thing, but some other parts don't treat it quite the same, or some write a narrative function to justify it even, and i don't mean in the apologetics sense i mean like

they write some new horror that winds up making a previous one make logical sense rather than being ideological or whatever

[storm jungle]

Well yeah because nobody wants to read about a guy suffering in a literal concentration camp and working to death.

they wanna read about cool dark space adventures

[terse flume]

so you get this tension over the lore

this happens all the time and not just in 40k, obv

if it happens in one work you usually get the "tonal issues" crititism

[storm jungle]

40k never had a tonal problem tbh

its more just presentation

because you gotta sell this shit to kids

but the universe is god awful

Its why you'll have store employees present space marines and the Imperium as "heroes"

[terse flume]

it feels like it had a white wolf anything goes period that it regrets almost as actively as white wolf does

[storm jungle]

Eh no

[terse flume]

but then a lot of 80s and 90s comic stuff was Like That

[storm jungle]

GW never went that far

[orchid thicket]

The question is what does the Imperium need human laborers for anyway? Everything seems too high tech for unskilled human hands

[storm jungle]

UNLESS ITS FANTASY

Nippon Moment

[storm jungle]

Because human lives are the cheapest of fuels

[terse flume]

it's an industry thing, wizards did it plenty, the big two comic book people did, etc

everything got REAL grimdark for a minute there and not just 40k

[storm jungle]

Well yeah but GW never did it to the point that their studio literally got shut down

[crisp heath]

autoguns and lasguns and autocannons and bullets and batteries for all of them seem simple-ish enough

[coarse pumice]

It’s an irony, as they put humanity on the highest pedestal yet also completely degrade humanity to put human derived workers everywhere

[green loom]

In spear of the emperor they're using dead crewmen to fuel the ship

[crisp heath]

and its not like they're allowed an excessive amount of automation

[orchid thicket]

Yeah but what kind of work would a slave laborer do in a highly industrialized interstellar empire?

[storm jungle]

Its the Imperium

you dont really have to ask this

[crisp heath]

work an assembly line, grow crops, clean floors

[terse flume]

humans are not very energy efficent fuel, unless you don't gotta raise em

[storm jungle]

^

You work

You die

thats your role in the Imperium in every one of its classes

Also lots of Imperial tech is incredibly archaic

[orchid thicket]

I have a feeling that, lore-wise, the Mechanicus wouldn't really want human hands touching the assembly line even for "basic" products like lasguns, but I guess it depends on the planet/station

[terse flume]

nah they love it

[storm jungle]

They dont even see the people working under them as humans

[terse flume]

you go into their factory in this game

[storm jungle]

you are just fuel

[crisp heath]

the people who write all day also dont always seem particularly on the ball, there's a whole 40k book about some guy making a clerical error and absolutely fucking over an entire regiment of guardsmen as a result

[storm jungle]

Also this lmao

the Imperium is dysfunctional

thats the whole point

[terse flume]

that's what smelter complex is, a gigantic mecanicum slave labour industry

[orchid thicket]

Yeah but its basically automated except for when you need to reset it manually (which involves pushing 1 button)

[terse flume]

nah i thought this too

atoma is still fully populated

normally the smelter complex is overfull with labourers

and it goes back there when we burn off the infection

[storm jungle]

Hadron also says the vacant places will be very easily filled once the planet is secure when one of the characters asks what will happen to the smelter

[coarse pumice]

Also another part of it was the setting was rebelling against the notion that ‘tech will save everyone and make a utopia’ by depicting it that instead of making lives, was used to make things worse and more oppressive

[storm jungle]

And yeah this too, admech outright rejecting innovation is a stupid thing

Its why in comparison the Squats just let robots do their jobs for the most because they arent huge assholes about it

[green loom]

For the tank factory they just grab a bunch of merchant as impromptu slave labour

[terse flume]

you never interact with people on atoma at all, imo a bit of a mistake, but the hive city is idk 90% functional 10% chaos god apocalypse

[storm jungle]

YEP, Hadron literally says they are gonna re-assign merchant two entire merchant districts into labour districts, which basically means press-ganging everyone in there to slave-workers lol

[crisp heath]

I mean they have a deepseated racial trauma for not liking robots considering the whole men of iron thing

[orchid thicket]

To give the Admech a break, they never really did grow out of their post-apocalyptic mindset thanks to the Horus Heresy and the Schism of Mars

[storm jungle]

Admech was always like that

their ideology isnt correct

Cawl basically proves this lol

[crisp heath]

I'd blame Tzeentch.

[storm jungle]

Also you can be branded a heretek just for trying to help people

[orchid thicket]

Well he's part of the Mechanicus still

[crisp heath]

Remember the Hereteks?

[orchid thicket]

We'd have more Cawls if Mars didn't get obliterated during the Heresy

[crisp heath]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Absolutely Elon'd

[green loom]

When they do invent stuff, on a good day it gets stuff in beurocratic hell for a few centuries, or the inventor gets scrapped for heresy

[crisp heath]

I mean, if I were honest.

[storm jungle]

Reminds me of one entry where a forgeworld finds a great way to stop planetary tyranid invasions, they file the data for later use in a databank, and it gets lost forever

[crisp heath]

I think that some of our toasters would be considered heresy?

[orchid thicket]

I imagine they refer to the STC library to consider whether or not an invention is halal

[storm jungle]

If they are found no

admech's deal is invention is bad

[coarse pumice]

It’s a parody of bureaucracy

[storm jungle]

because everything good HAS been invented

and must be found

Which is the dumbest religious creed lol

[crisp heath]

I mean, the toasters that I mean are more heretekal

[storm jungle]

💀

[coarse pumice]

ANYWAY

[crisp heath]

Triangular-shaped toasters.

[coarse pumice]

is it preview time soon?0

[storm jungle]

Preview?

what is it now

[orchid thicket]

It's kind of an understandable mindset in a galaxy with derelict megastructures from old dead civilizations (mankind included) everywhere

[coarse pumice]

Sisters today

[storm jungle]

Its not suppose to be understandable, its suppose to be backwards and dumb

thats literally the entire point

[orchid thicket]

A lot of things in 40k are backwards and dumb until you consider the sort of environment mankind lives in

[storm jungle]

Yeah but again

[green loom]

I read something the other day when reading about a fan character

[storm jungle]

its not suppose to be justifiable

theres nothing wrong with re-discovering archeotech, its more that "Just dont invent anything" thats the real issue

[green loom]

And I chuckled

[coarse pumice]

Its the reaction to inventions that really went wrong, but the reaction became too institutionalised and bureaucratic that it goes too far in reverse

[storm jungle]

This.

[storm jungle]

Admech will kill you for basically trying to do anything

[orchid thicket]

Well the Admech isn't black and white

If you're someone with political clout like Cawl you could get away with things

[green loom]

I speak low to high Gothic

[storm jungle]

To be fair thats just Cawl

any other "inventor" is branded as a heretek

even if you arent chaos alligned

[crisp heath]

You know what I want to know?

[scenic bolt]

the admech were basically the leftovers of the WFB dwarves with their engineering guilds and conservatism preservered intact

[crisp heath]

Why don't we have non-AdMech inventors?

[storm jungle]

That too lmao

[storm jungle]

Also we kinda do?

its more that

"nobody wants to read about them"

[orchid thicket]

Because the AdMech monopolizes all sorts of academia

[storm jungle]

Nah

its just plot reasons

People invent shit all the time in 40k

we are literally talking about the entire galaxy

they cant oversee every person that does technological innovation

Also the reality is, the more you tell a human not to do something the more they will want to do it.

[orchid thicket]

I mean if we're talking about Imperium-approved stuff then the AdMech certainly gets the final say

[crisp heath]

Now for yet another random topic. This time, more related to weapons.

Stub Axe Rifles, anyone?

[orchid thicket]

Although I do know that Terra has its own scientific traditions which Mars as unfortunately overshadowed

[storm jungle]

a what now

[orchid thicket]

(space marines being one of those products)

[crisp heath]

Stub. Axe. Rifle.

I'll get an image or two of them.

i thought of this even though its a shotgun

[coarse pumice]

The best way of preventing it properly is to not tell them they can’t do it, but tell them they can and it send it down a bureaucratic process where it goes down a black hole and never appears

[crisp heath]

Technically not an actual axe, but it works as one.

Then the musket version, with our resident Streltsi.

[storm jungle]

Damn

i was literally just making a mockup

[scenic bolt]

not GW enough, the pistol grip needs to be the axe head

[vale shuttle]

it enhances the "great man" thing he had going, because he was just soselfless he didn't want to be a god we're lfiting him up out of choice that sort of thing

[crisp heath]

having it on the barrel I guess could lead to problems but so will having it on the stock so I'm going to say you guys are hereteks and have you all chopped up with regular normal people axes

[vale shuttle]

it really doesn't, and i don't write that stuff to seem "clever or insightful" i do it because i enjoy it and i enmjoy the conversations it starts

[crisp heath]

To make it clear, most of the axe parts are usually modifications.

[storm jungle]

All ill say is dont bother.

A person is smart

People are stupid

I know because I am people

[crisp heath]

But for those that are supposed to be part of the gun? Well, they better be at least functionable.

[crisp heath]

For the ones with the axe forward, you'll worry about the weight of the barrel at the end. For the ones at the stock, they'd mostly be a little more uncomfortable.

But in 40K, most of these problems are ignored for the sake of Rule of Cool.

Hell, wanna see something cursed?

[orchid thicket]

Is that from Hunt: Showdown?

[crisp heath]

Yes.

[orchid thicket]

Ah yeah figured lol

[crisp heath]

And even for me, this is cursed. Yet it'll fit in 40K.

[hallow saddle]

What about the Kroot weapons

With the axe head both at the back and the front

[crisp heath]

They're xenos weapons.

Heretical, I should say.

[hallow saddle]

Of course

[crisp heath]

might also fuck the barrel up if you actually thwack something with it if its on the end of the abrrel

[hallow saddle]

I said nothing, Inquisitor

[crisp heath]

Which is usually why that those on the barrel should be fortified significantly.

The ones on the stock usually has the whole "weakpoint" in the handles.

[sleek wigeon]

admech are breathing down your neck rn

[crisp heath]

Still, I still have to ask this question.

If Stub Rifles have variants, should the "brown" and "green" ones have exclusive scopes?

I'm just gonna use WW2 weapons to compare.

The "blue" variants would be similar to Lee-Enfields
The "green" ones as Kar98ks
And the "brown" ones as Mosin-Nagants.

This is all just a thought.

[orchid thicket]

That's cool but aren't those all functionally the same?

Infantry rifle chambering a big rifle round

[celest dome]

Just change stats and RoF/dmg

so would make sense to call them variants I suppose

[orchid thicket]

Yeah that makes sense. Enfields were known to fire more rapidly than their counterparts because of a larger magazine plus specialized rifle training on part of the Brits

[green loom]

It's more like
Carbine for blue
Garand for green
And idk what for brown

It's an imperfect comparison

[crisp heath]

I'm gonna use Winchester Rifles for that

Carbine
Rifle
Musket

All 3 sizes for the Winchester back then.

[pale onyx]

hey guys what was the name of the chaos entity in the latest books teaming up with abadon to become a 5th chaos god? Owns the soulforge where soulgrinders are made

[crisp heath]

Be'lakor or what?

[pale onyx]

nah nah the other guy

in arks of omen books

[crisp heath]

Um...

[orchid thicket]

Vashtorr

[pale onyx]

there we go

[orchid thicket]

two r's right?

[celest dome]

Just to say but the weapon variant blue/brown/green system isn't really something that is needed

[pale onyx]

so do you guys think the 4 chaos gods are gonna kick him in the nuts or something before his ascention to become a 5th chaos god? Since like, it's just more competition for them in their great game

[celest dome]

Ye
Arkifane

[orchid lark]

Welcome to Vostroya

[crisp heath]

Of course.

You know, I actually wouldn't mind having it in Darktide.

[crisp heath]

OKAY, WE NEED THAT AS A POSSIBLE NEW HYBRID WEAPON

having more revolvers and lever actions and cowboy guns would be great, the belt revolver from hunt would fit so perfectly in 40k

[crisp heath]

Which one?

I forgot which, and I don't exactly have the game.

But still, IMAGINE IF WE GET THAT

[pale onyx]

Cus like, isn't chaos its own worst enemy? Sure it would make chaos influence greater over the mortal realm but like, if the 4 chaos gods all agree that they don't want another brother and a contender fighting in the great game

[green loom]

Ur 025 is literally a man of iron

[green loom]

In other words it's their literal antichrist

[crisp heath]

Vostroyan weapons, as possible reskins?

[terse flume]

it is conspicuous that the setting that's basically "what if every dystopia happened at once somehow" doesn't have a borg of some kind

or like that robot in i have no mouth

AM

also has that killer name, abominable intelligences

that's a precut faction name right there

[celest dome]

Most likely will be cosmetic skin for a Vostroyan cosmetic set

[crisp heath]

Maybe to celebrate a new weapon related to it (Vostroyan Axe Gun)?

Wait, maybe not.

[celest dome]

No, like all the cosmetic set had a few weapon associated to it, so they would probably be part of that

[crisp heath]

Still, I wish we can get a true Hybrid Weapon for the other 3 Classes.

[celest dome]

And Vostroyan Axe Gun is way down the list of priority weapon

[celest dome]

[crisp heath]

The Ogryn already has a Hybrid Weapon with the Grenadier Gauntlets. So, potentially...

(I'm not counting Lucius-Pattern Lasguns' bayonets, which are still just Special Attacks)

Even if it's not going to happen any time soon.

[celest dome]

Oh right, most likely will arrive with a Sword and Pistol set (Catachan+Las)

Though who know if melee or ranged set

[crisp heath]

I mean for the Ranged Slot, but the Sword and Pistol's not bad for a Melee Slot.

Though I wonder if the Pistol has its own ammo pool (Vermintide 1), or have unlimited but weak shots (Vermintide 2).

I'd imagine that it'll be a Stub Pistol if the latter (you can see the irony).

[celest dome]

Stub pistols are stronger than Laspistols

[crisp heath]

...no?

The Stub Revolvers are definitely stronger, yes, but a Stub Pistol isn't (not counting hand-cannons).

Even if the Laspistol isn't that strong, it's still as good if not better than a Glock or an M1911.

[terse flume]

the shredder is the dumbest fucking thing in the game rn

maybe it and bull butcher 4

er, 3

[crisp heath]

The Shredder Autopistol?

[terse flume]

yeah it's absurd

[crisp heath]

It's 40K.

And this joke has been crawling for a while.

[crimson kayak]

Pistols are very much dependant on what ammo their use

[crisp heath]

That wouldn't break them.

[crimson kayak]

Depends on what you count as a Stub and what you count as an Auto, but usually revolvers or other heavy duty projectile pistols come with a bunch of different ammo like the Manstopper rounds

Also guys remember that saying "stub/auto/laser is stronger than the others" is always moot when different patterns exist

[crimson kayak]

Laspistol operate on the same range as lasguns, ench why they have low ammo and only semi auto fire

Then there's Blast Pistols (the solar auxilia Las-pistols) who are said to be as strong as volkite weapons

[celest dome]

Are they the same as Phosphor Blast Pistols that the Skitarii can have ?

[crimson kayak]

Nope

Phosphor shoot fireballs

Like, almost literally

Auxilia blast pistols are just old powerful Las-pistols with a small tube model-wise

Phosphor weapons meanwhile look like big fuck you revolvers

[coarse pumice]

Sisters bolt gun remained A1 rapid fire 1 while CSM got A2 bolters

[crimson kayak]

Wait... As someone who doesn't play, what's better?

[coarse pumice]

The latter

Basically CSM get 2 shots at long range while Sisters only get one

At close range both get two

[vale shuttle]

weapons in the new edition are different on different datasheets

so CSM get A2 because they have bolter discipline, whereas sisters get A1 + Rapid Fire 1

||except technically they dont have bolter discipline anymore becauise that rule is removed instead it's just rolled into the weapon profile but whatever||

[coarse pumice]

Ironic as rapid fire was originally the name of the rule space marines got for double tapping bolters

Back in 2nd

[echo vault]

Beastmen are the greatest fantasy race because you can describe them and all their characters as "deserving of post birth abortion" and it's also built into the lore of their characters

A bray shaman morghur when they were born their dad tried to kill them until their hands were mutated by how chaotically messed up they were like worse than a chaos spawn as they constantly twist and mutate and come back even when vaporized

[crimson kayak]

And don't forget that they would be proud of hearing this too

[echo vault]

They wouldn't understand the words but would understand the tone, and then would probably brutally molest and other horrible things to the person

[crimson kayak]

I mean yeah forgot they spoke the dark tongue

[echo vault]

Screaming is a universal signal for scared and even the beastmen know it

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/lmZGQzttyLg

wow this looks a lot better than i expected

[orchid lark]

we're back at Graia

for some reason

[storm jungle]

Its apparently a sequel to Space Marine?

for some reason?

[crystal forum]

wait what??

[storm jungle]

apparently yeah

[crystal forum]

wonder what came first then, the game or the story lol

[orchid lark]

its 40k and it has internet bad boy Rahul Kohli

thats all that matters to me

[crystal forum]

the pixel art is amazing

wonder if we'll get any relevant lore from this

[orchid lark]

retrieve the power source that drogan made, and get it back from the chaos forces that were left on Graia, and give it back to the inquisition

is what i assume

probably get evidence that Titus was innocent

[celest dome]

Does it mean it's between SM1 and 2 or what ?

[orchid lark]

probably

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/lmZGQzttyLg

It mentions Titus at the end too

also the energy mcguffin in the casing

[shadow plover]

same planet too

[crimson kayak]

i mean, im all for a good 40k shooter no matter the graphics, if it also manages to explain wtf happens between the two games even better

also i now want a chapter that announces themselves like the trailer narrator

(also finally a game that rapresents what happens if a marine smashes against you at full speed lore-wise)

[orchid lark]

Space Marine did that already

you obliterate like

gretchins

also gotta update my rahul ultramarine picture now lmao

since i guess at this point he now has a canon appearance as sternguard veteran Mallum

Malum Cadeo thats the name

[green loom]

I like that you play a Beakie vet

[orchid lark]

beakies be like

[dense orchid]

So in the lore, who is stronger? Dark angels or Black templars?

[crimson kayak]

i mean

depends

like, except tactic/weapon wise, they are both marines

and considering the two chapters unless the dark angel pulls out the really fancy forbidden toys the black templar can probably field it too

[coarse pumice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWQMMPFtoG4

[crimson kayak]

also depends on well, how much of a character syndrome the two marines have

[green loom]

I'll leave this here

[dense orchid]

The DA also have lots of termies and bikers

[storm jungle]

they also have The Rock Johnson as see above

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-look-gif-21665194

[green loom]

DA are also a uh

Full legion

[dense orchid]

What am I looking at?

[green loom]

That would be "The Rock"