#40k-lore-chat

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storm jungle
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Tho DT reeks of behind the scenes drama

crimson kayak
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Il be honest, I would be perfectly fine with a mediocre SM2

storm jungle
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As long as the game is fun i dont care yeah

crimson kayak
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SM1 never was excellent but still kept me in from start to finish to the multiplayer

storm jungle
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its why i kinda rolled my eyes at people saying DT's launch was like Cyberpunk 2077.

Thats how you know thats someone who never played 2077 on release

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This game was nowhere near that dogshit

crimson kayak
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Yeah sadly I can't speak about it as my cyberpunk seemingly came with the cure to cancer pre-installed as I didn't get 99% of the bugs.

orchid lark
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i played 2077 on launch and had little issues funnily enough

storm jungle
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Same

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but oh my god

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the videos people put up

crimson kayak
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I mean, still better than redfall imo

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First time I disinstalled a gamepass title so fast

storm jungle
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Redfall literally died on release

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and its been out for like 4 days now

orchid lark
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if it was related to dishonored

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i wouldve bought it

crimson kayak
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Man I like the gamepass just because I can try this shit without spending additional money, and I also get godly releases like hi fi rush

celest dome
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The Redfall concept/design wasn't that interesting tbh

crimson kayak
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Looter shooter the new far cry model

celest dome
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The character/classes were a bit strange for me

storm jungle
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If you want Redfall done right

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go play Far Cry 5

celest dome
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If Redfall had been a Payday but with Vamp and magic it would have been quite interesting

storm jungle
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the concept is good its more that the game itself just sucks

celest dome
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The class concept were weird

arctic talon
orchid lark
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played since day 1 and it was fine

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played it during an online class as well

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shared screen too so my teacher could see it

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every time some game has like issues, ive just

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never had it

arctic talon
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Cyberpunk also ran like shit

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And had a memory leak

orchid lark
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nah ran fine for me

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good ole dlss

arctic talon
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If you have a beefy enough computer sure

orchid lark
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nah

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just a 2060

arctic talon
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That’s enough lol

orchid lark
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and R5 3600

arctic talon
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Cyberpunk was meant to be playable on the base fucking Xbox one

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And ps4

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And uh

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It didn’t

orchid lark
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im bill dipperly

arctic talon
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Lol

orchid lark
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just have uh

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trust in your machines

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loved the OG Pubg

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when it literally ran so bad

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that to start a group game

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me and my friends had to sync the button press to start queuing

queen laurel
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I've seen someone play it

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Did not look great

storm jungle
winter vessel
lament prism
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where do i find good accurate 40k timeline

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i can't find it on lexicanum

orchid lark
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Since it spans since billions of bc

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To 42 thousand ad

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There isnt a timeline line

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But several pages of stuff in the Lexicanum

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I think search like

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M41

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And it sends you to a page of stuff that happened in that millennium

storm jungle
orchid lark
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Yeh

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Time to study all the wars in heaven

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Couldve found different things to call those events

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But nah

lament prism
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is fandom a good source if i want to expand more

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on the stuff

orchid lark
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No

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Lexicanum is your “safest” source

crimson kayak
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Lexicanum is safest, thing is the time line is not really that important of itself

orchid lark
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Its like the Gundam Timeline

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No wait the Gundam Timeline sucks

crimson kayak
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Like more than half the shows are outside the UC entirely

lament prism
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they asked me like "i want to know about wh40k but im too lazy to read, can you present deep lore to me?"

orchid lark
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40k isnt really like that

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Its like the og extended star wars

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You kinda just

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Need to delve into it

lament prism
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do you imply that it isn't deep

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but there's alot

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?

crimson kayak
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Both

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There's deep lore

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But most of the time line is events that don't really add anything except more fluff to the setting

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If you want to give him the condensed version I suggest telling him about the Horus Heresy, Age Of Strife and 13th Black Crusade

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Wich are the most important parts imo to catch up

lament prism
orchid lark
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Like how even interested are they

lament prism
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insanely interested

orchid lark
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I mean they can go pirate some codexes

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And just read those things

lament prism
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no one really know wh40k here so

orchid lark
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Go click on a lexicanum page and just click on links

lament prism
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and those thing are not available in our country for some reason

orchid lark
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What even is this country that blocks 40k

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Burma where we only have one emperor

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I mean they just have to satiate their own curiosity by discovering it themselves

crimson kayak
orchid lark
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Goddamn feels like a fucking academic ball ache

lament prism
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how to do it better

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but thanks now i have already i need to start writing

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my sentence fucked

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3:00 am brain

crimson kayak
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No way to just go tell him from the very beginning to the present without delving into literally 30 years of lore and retcons

orchid lark
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Its 4:24 am for me

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Maybe you are in burma lmao

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40k isnt like art where you can go from this time period to this time period

lament prism
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so i think i can do it

orchid lark
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You can start a topic where it starts at The Current and slowly explain why this is happening because this happened

crimson kayak
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Also this

orchid lark
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Youd have to explain the timeline in your own narrative sense

crimson kayak
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Maybe better to start from the now and work back from there

winter vessel
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little bunny's gonna try and navigate the 40k verse consistently? That's like taking a ship and say "Hey I'm gonna explore every corner of the Immaterium".

lament prism
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for me

orchid lark
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Okay

crimson kayak
lament prism
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thank for

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info again

orchid lark
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Its not gonna make a lick of sense but

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Good luck

lament prism
crimson kayak
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And then you just go delve deeper into the specific scenarios like the heresy, crusades and such

orchid lark
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Thats like starting dune with the butlerian jihad

lament prism
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so i can fill in context

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i'll do like

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shallow explaination then delve deep if it was important for narrative in future

orchid lark
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Or reading tolkeinns stuff by reading the silmarillion first

lament prism
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tolkeinns?

orchid lark
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Dont worry about him

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Hes no one

winter vessel
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Tolkien's Nobledark to 40K's Grimdark

orchid lark
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One hour behind me

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Cant be Thailand

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You said two borders to a gw shop and that doesnt make sense

lament prism
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im thailand

orchid lark
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Malaysia has a GW shop then

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Thats one border

lament prism
orchid lark
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Also arent there like local gameshops

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Like thailand does have a 40k scene

lament prism
orchid lark
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Theres loads of expats in thailand

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Some bumfuck aussie would want to bring some shit with him

crimson kayak
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To buy stuff I knew of Legendary Wargame who was based in Thailand

crisp heath
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I still haven't finished LotR but I'm working on memorizing the Hobbit

orchid lark
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But the hobbit to lotr is fine tho

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Silmarillion definitely feels something to be read after

crisp heath
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Oh no I've read pretty much everything except LotR

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I think I finished Fellowship a few years back

lament prism
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@orchid lark last question why not from fandom? is it not accurate?

crimson kayak
orchid lark
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Its just not fully helpful

lament prism
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👍

crisp heath
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I went Silmarillion, Hobbit, Children of Húrin, Fellowship of the Ring then Lays of Beleriand

lament prism
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in lex i feel it get cropped but

crimson kayak
lament prism
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i hope it useful

crisp heath
crisp heath
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Cinderblock Dog real?

lament prism
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what about youtuber

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is majorkill good

crimson kayak
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Lex it's useful to get the general stuff so you can see if you are interested enough to get the book/mini/codex/whatever

lament prism
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ah general stuff

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that what i was looking for

crimson kayak
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Yeah it has lots of specifics too but you have to search for them

lament prism
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oooooh

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thanks

crimson kayak
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Meanwhile the broader stuff is explained clearly and like a wiki article instead of having pages ripped out of the source material

lament prism
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ah

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alright

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understood

near wasp
orchid lark
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Lexicanum is essentially if it can be sourced it goes in

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But thats all

lament prism
orchid lark
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It is given a summary of that stuff and thats it

lament prism
orchid lark
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Wait two borders

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Singapore doesnt have a gw shop

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They only have Local Game Stores

lament prism
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shipment fee gonna be so fire

orchid lark
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Weirdly enough theres two Warhammer stores in Malaysia

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And like a bunch of LGSs

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I live near one

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Easy oeasy

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Youd think we get crazy prices

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But its not australia or new zealand or japan bad

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Cheaper than american prices but a bit more than the British prices

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Its uh

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Weird

green loom
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If it's another regular human or otherwise nom-threatening enemy, they have a reasonable chance to not die

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Most other things would probably murder a single guardsman without much thought

orchid lark
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Some regiments specialize in fighting something

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Id say its decent theyd survive

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The Emperors hammer aint pushovers

summer rover
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really a large part of the mortality rate cited in books is because it's not uncommon for regiments of the guard to be sacrificed as a holding action so they can be stopped with other means, like removing the commanding forces or offing a daemon thing screwing with reality for them to exploit.

orchid lark
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In 40k nearly everyone has a decent fighting chance against someone else

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For a time only sisters seemed to just

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Lose

summer rover
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yeah back during the eight years when they'd accidentally let stores take pre-orders for a plastic kit that wasn't getting made.

orchid lark
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Tyranids are a punching bag now for more or less

storm jungle
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where they were just "women with guns idk"

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also getting novels by white male writers who cant write women lol

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I mean they still kinda cant but still

orchid lark
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At least their codex is filled with victories for the most part

storm jungle
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yeah they got what is basically an entire refresh army and lore wise

orchid lark
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I wonder what army loses a lot like

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Flavour wise

storm jungle
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Definitely chaos and nids

orchid lark
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Right?

storm jungle
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Eldar are there on the 3rd spot

orchid lark
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Really

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Huh

storm jungle
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Chaos is because they are the Decepticons of the setting

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Nids are because they are the generic locust bug race

orchid lark
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Would’ve thought space marines would’ve somehow died more than eldar

storm jungle
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Eldar are because of shit writers

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i mean they do

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but its unnamed chapters lol

orchid lark
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Blood Angel chapters get name dropped

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With the good ole

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Extinct

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Wonder what this cool sounding chapter is doing

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No info

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Extinct

arctic talon
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Chaos statistically has the most L’s for being space hell

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Then nids

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Then craftworld eldar because they’re GW’s punching bag

dapper cloak
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Chaos overall loses alot yeah

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Abaddon has a decent track record for the Arks of Omen and all 13 Crusades

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Only one L out of those 14 events

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You gotta remember as well, Chaos focuses on fighting each other ALOT more than anything in realspace

summer rover
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it should be noted all 13 crusades were L's until games workshop rewrote the setting so we'd stop making armless jokes.

dapper cloak
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Yes but thats old lore

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New lore is what matters

summer rover
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no, pissing off GW is what matters.

dapper cloak
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And new lore states 12/13 were successful

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One was an L because of Orks

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Which is rather funny

storm jungle
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just war

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Cadians dont really have a gimmick

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they are the poster green army men

terse flume
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i kind of liked that they're the only imperium world that isn't horribly ruined enviromentally, so there's more emotional investment when it blows up

orchid lark
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They kept the forests because theyd know it better maybe

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Valhallans like cold

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Mordians like Armoured Infantry

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Catachans like shitholes

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Armageddon Steel Legion likes Armoured Infantry

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These are their stereotypes

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But you can more or less make stuff up

terse flume
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i was thinking about the suicide bomber thing

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are there like, kamakazies for the imperium of man?

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i guess it feels like such a natural thing for fanatics to self immolate in a perceived glory, you know, i think of it more like mad max then i do the horrible political realities

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tons and tons of people are clearly trivially self sacrificing violently

storm jungle
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it has not been mentioned since because suicide bombers are kinda cringe

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and way too close to IRL

scenic bolt
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there was one book where a valk pilot was in such euphoria in battle they just rammed a tau battlesuit

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wasnt fully human, basically a servitor hooked into a valkyrie

storm jungle
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Yeaaaah stuff like that is more handwavy where its not really too touchy.

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Compared to just people strapping bombs to themselves and blowing people up.

terse flume
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right it's one of those fuzzy things

scenic bolt
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Old lore had penal legions doing classic penal stuff, but those were more against their will

terse flume
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where someone in a movie pulling the pin on a grenade is still seen as heroic, but doing that with like, prior intent and setup or whatever, not so much

orchid lark
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ITs like that serious sam enemy

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The one with no head

storm jungle
green loom
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The Cult of Martyrs thumbsup_ogryn

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And the Krieg thing

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The Cult of Sacrifice I think it's called

storm jungle
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yeah with krieg its just "die in a battle"

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not uh

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"suicide bomb yourself to some civillians"

scenic bolt
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kreigs more not looking to kamicrazy in battle, theyre just indifferent to dying or risk of dying

green loom
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They're obsessed with a "worthy death"

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Is the most recent take iirc

storm jungle
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They are just clones sir.

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They are meant to be expendable.

green loom
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Krieg are like clones except their armour is nowhere near as fashionable

storm jungle
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also arent as fun

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or interesting

green loom
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Similar fans though tbh

storm jungle
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true true

storm jungle
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Oof the ukraine part explains a lot 💀

signal bramble
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The krieg will happily sacrifice themselves so long as it’s a gain.

queen laurel
dapper cloak
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Yeah, a worthy death. Its mostly about redemption for the Krieg civil war, proving their worth to the Imperium.

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Its taken on a death culty type of approach, with how fanatical they can be about it

signal bramble
versed ledge
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I mean. The guard can't be that insane

summer rover
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i assure you there are plenty of santioned death cults in the imperium.

storm jungle
summer rover
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"demoralize this, traitor!"

versed ledge
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Holy....why?!

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Chem addicts or full on jihad mode for the emperor

dapper cloak
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Although they are extremely about purity in their Vita-womb breeding programs. Even an extra toe will see an infant euthanized

versed ledge
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I just don't understand why use suicide bombers as part of the guard when we have the munitions to do the job

dapper cloak
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The original lore was like

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Zealous prisoners who would do it in order to be redeemed in the Emperors eyes

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I have a similar homebrew thing, just not the suicide bombers. Wrote a chapter that only recruits from prison populations, giving them a chance of “redemption”

signal bramble
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You should read the krieg novel. It's pretty solid even if the big twist is a little dumb.

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@dapper cloak

dapper cloak
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Il definitely put it on my list. Been focusing on the Lion novel rn

signal bramble
rose thorn
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I woke up in a cold shock, leagues of Votaan would make cool space pirates

summer rover
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too bad, the squats had a raider/pirate subtheme and GW said it was too confusing so they made votaan to get rid if it.

signal bramble
signal bramble
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The logic being if the people with it weren’t strong enough to fight the Kyn off they didn’t deserve their resources anyway.

summer rover
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yeah, but that's literally everyone in 40k

signal bramble
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It’s debatably still piracy.

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Though the Votann do try and trade first.

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Sometimes.

summer rover
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more like invasion.

signal bramble
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They won’t take the land necessarily though. They may just rob you of the stuff they wanted and then leave.

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It’s gonna depend on what it is. It’s a situational thing.

dapper cloak
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They care about profit and resource, not the worlds themselves

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They have gigantic ships dedicated to devouring worlds

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Just to get the resources

summer rover
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considering the signs they were originally made by the very early imperium to colonize things for mankind i have to wonder what kinda nightmares the emperor shot out into space and has forgotten about....

summer rover
crystal forum
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so apparently malcador tanks predate the leman russ

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i will now make a bunch of malcadors to have a planet reserve army

orchid lark
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I unironically love the Malcador

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because of how its touted as being shit

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I have a burning love for the goofy Malcador Defender

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five heavy bolters for a hat, and a demolisher cannon on the hull

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its just so

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perfect

summer rover
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it's a lovely design, wish it was 3rd party since 3rd party tanks are always cheaper.

crimson kayak
dapper cloak
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They were some of the first human colonizers to go to the galactic core

vale shuttle
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weren't the votann on sublight ships with cryo-capsules?

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or is that lore i made up in my brain

dapper cloak
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We dont know the specifics

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Besides them leaving Terra around the Dark Age of Technology

vale shuttle
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ohhhh, they couldn't have had sublight if they left that long it wouldn't work i think

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so that is lore i made up in my brain

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like all the best 40k lore

dapper cloak
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Mankind had warp travel at that point

vale shuttle
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yeah and there's a 0% chance they're sending out normal ships using materium physics in that case

dapper cloak
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Ye

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The Votann have every STC known to man, etc. between then and the Great Crusade, they turned into the Kin

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We don’t know the specifics but it’s probably them doing some Gene editing and saving the edits as cloneskins

crimson kayak
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Or maybe they were cloneskins to begin with

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And then edited themselves

dapper cloak
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Possibly. Im assuming they were baseline humans when they left but who knows

crisp heath
vale shuttle
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all the best 40k lore is the lore people make up in their brains and not the lore they get from books and codexes

orchid thicket
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The best depiction of astartes in combat is in my head. The 2nd best is from Astartes.

vale shuttle
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example: i once read someone's take that the chaos gods didn't hate each other and actually loved each other like friends and siblings. however, because they treat their interactions like a game (the Great Game) they seem to hate each other because they're constantly at each other's throat because, after all, you want to be sure the real people are dealt with and not the AI

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liike if you were playing civ with 3 other friends and like 400 AI

orchid thicket
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Sounds like Tzeentchian lies

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Khorne wears the seven skulls of his brothers and Tzeentch murdered an upstart who tried to take his throne

vale shuttle
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an upstart who tried to take his throne would be an AI in this analogy

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idk about the seven skulls of his brothers thing casuse ive nmever heard them

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pretty sure i made a post once about the headcanon to real canon pipeline

dapper cloak
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Would be funny

vale shuttle
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it goes headcanon -> accepted clique canon -> accepted subcommuntiy canon -> accepted community canon -> canon

dapper cloak
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Considering most of Chaos and its armies are fighting each other about 90 percent of the time

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And the other 10 percent is fighting everyone else

vale shuttle
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in this way of seeing them, the chaos gods see playing against each other as fun and playing against AI as boring

dapper cloak
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Thats sort of the idea. Chaos wants to dominate chaos. In truth, the gods dont really care about anyone in realspace

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They mess with realspace for the hell of it

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Its a side game

vale shuttle
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yes, but we also extrapolate this into their attitudes to each other being not one of seething hate, but one of brotherly comradery that seems like hate (because mortals don't understand their relationships)

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i think it's a neat little way of seeing them

dapper cloak
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Ye

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Like gettin your ass kicked by your brother

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So you go and flick the glass on the ant farm

vale shuttle
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yeah

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you can see the emperor tricking the chaos gods, and the chaos gods ganging up on him, as them being really angry at what they see as basically a computer tricking them

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like "holy shit this character tricked us! fuck him, right guys?! get your armies, let's pound him into the mulch."

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but then they go right back to playing Ethereal Catan and not giving a shit about realspace because they've stomped on the guy who annoyed him

orchid thicket
dapper cloak
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Possibly

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The issue is however

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Is that Chaos doesnt need humanity anymore

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So they can do whatever the hell they want

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Ignore it, fight it, anything in between

orchid thicket
dapper cloak
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Chaos is “self sufficient”

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In 30k they needed humanity to feed them

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By current timeline, their power is so great that they dont need that “food” anymore

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Even if humanity went extinct theyd be fine.

orchid thicket
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I don't know where you got that from. It seems to me that Chaos is powerful precisely because humanity is overpopulating the galaxy without a real countermeasure against them aside from religion (which they don't implement perfectly)

dapper cloak
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Godblight

orchid thicket
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I think Chaos has blooming periods and dormant periods relating to the activity of sapient species in the galaxy - for example the Fall of the Eldar Empire and the Horus Heresy

dapper cloak
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Theyve reached a point where, so long as any life exists, they will exist

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They dont need to rely on humans

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Like they did before

orchid thicket
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Sure but they would exist in the same way they existed before the Horus Heresy

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In the background, never at the forefront of realspace

dapper cloak
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Yes, but theyre alot more powerful than pre heresy

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The Emperors entire goal with the webway project was to starve chaos because it was weaker. Now, theyre far too powerful to even consider trying that

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Their power has multiplied alot

orchid thicket
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Who tells the reader this information?

dapper cloak
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Its implications and lore my friend. Godblight, codex, lexicanum.

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That was the webway projects entire thing

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And godblight confirms the self sustaining aspect of the 40k gods

orchid thicket
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Sounds like daemonic propaganda to me

dapper cloak
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Damn those Daemons

orchid thicket
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Even if it were true I don't think it's true to that extent

dapper cloak
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Well it is, again. Mankind no longer is the anchor of chaos, mankind is no longer needed to sustain it.

orchid thicket
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I can believe that the Chaos gods are powerful enough warp entities to sustain themselves indefinitely at this point as mature souls but if you cut them off from their very source of vitality, I am certain they can still be weakened

dapper cloak
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So long as there is life, there will be chaos

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Its been discussed. Id recommend reading Godblight

orchid thicket
dapper cloak
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The Hive Mind is a kind of life in itself

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When i say life i mean ANY life

orchid thicket
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That's completely incorruptible by Chaos, and is probably taking on its own godlike aspect in the Warp as the Great Devourer

dapper cloak
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It doesnt matter about corruption

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It doesnt need to be corrupted

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So long as something lives in realspace, chaos will survive

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The big four gods i mean

orchid thicket
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Chaos is not the Warp

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Chaos are a subset of Warp entities that are distinct from other beings like the Eldar Gods or Gork and Mork

dapper cloak
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Yes, I understand that. However, the big four gods are with the part of chaos that are self sustaining

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The lesser deities would need worship

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They no longer need it

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It makes them stronger, it doesnt enable their survival

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All that would happen is their power stops growing, it wouldnt shrink

orchid thicket
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I think what I want to say is that the kind of life that the Tyranids are, are fundamentally at odds with Chaos simply because they are too alien, therefore it does not mean necessarily that all life empowers Chaos

dapper cloak
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Its not empowering, its simply allowing to exist

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So long as anything lives, the big four will live, because chaos will live

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If nothing lives, chaos itself dwindles, and so does the big four

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Chaos is raw and unfiltered, but its the specific emotions that make the gods. What im saying is that they dont need the emotions anymore

orchid thicket
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Well I'm looking forward to the day when the big four are threatened more directly than when the ||Emperor sets Nurgle's garden ablaze||

dapper cloak
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Godblight also has alot of cool implications about his threat to the gods

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Which is very real

orchid thicket
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I only read one excerpt of Godblight, do tell me more

dapper cloak
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Basically the Emperor is a big presence in the warp, as we already know

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Its building as a result of the peoples faith in him

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We knew this already but the recent books “confirm” it

orchid thicket
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That's cool. What else?

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I've been slacking off on reading Plague Wars because ||I think Guy Haley is not that good of an author||

dapper cloak
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Honestly same

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Alot of what i know is from friends who have read it and showed my excerpts

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But the implications about the Emperors divinity and rising power are the main theme

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Him burning you know whose garden, and him reviving you know who when he died to the stink lord

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Him doing this is proof he is very much able to pay attention to the galaxy and whats going on. He “sees all” as they say god can

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All he does is pick and choose where and when to expend his power to aid the Imperium

orchid thicket
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Him meeting Guilliman put some of the gears in his head back in their proper spots, right?

dapper cloak
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And its also been stated that the ||Golden Throne only has about a century left before it breaks||

dapper cloak
storm jungle
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Its important to remember that plot points like this don't really matter

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like one author writes something like tihs that the others will never really mention again

dapper cloak
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Yeah

storm jungle
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Same with the Emperor just burning a portion of Nurgle's garden which people really play up when its just suppose to be a momentary distraction to save G-man

dapper cloak
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The golden throne tidbit is important because it reveals the ||Drukhari have made their own golden throne, and were making deals on Terra to find something to power it||

orchid thicket
storm jungle
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I mean that still happens though.

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😩

dapper cloak
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The Lion is what im excited for

storm jungle
dapper cloak
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His next step after the Imperium took an L on Wyrmwood

storm jungle
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because it doesnt really make a lot of sense

vale shuttle
storm jungle
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Lmao

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this

dapper cloak
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It could possibly. Theyre doing it to stop the Daemons from invading the webway, and right now ||Vashtorr is in the webway looking for an Old One Vault||

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Wouldnt get my hopes up

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But it COULD happen

storm jungle
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Yeah they are gonna lose

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its Chaos' job

green loom
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You know

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The one story everyone brings up because it had a grey knight

storm jungle
#

Yeah but the difference is Sigmar is based and not cringe

dapper cloak
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Chad sigmar

orchid thicket
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What I really wonder is why GW seems to have a hardon for Chaos

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Chaos clobbers the Imperium a million times in all its weakspots but the Imperium must live because they sell models

storm jungle
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because they are the 2nd protagonists after the Imperium/Empire

dapper cloak
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Meets warrior queen, first thing she does is grab his “junk” to measure his fertility before dragging him to bed

green loom
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Because if bad guy no win then good guy win

storm jungle
#

^

green loom
#

If good guy win the settings over

storm jungle
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basically

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warhammer is a saturday morning cartoon

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we meet

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we fight

green loom
#

I use "good" very loosely

storm jungle
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someone wins

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we meet later again

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and it keeps going

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Even with forgettable side characters!

green loom
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The Protag needs something to strive against

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If they just go and kill Abaddon that's it

orchid thicket
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The Tyranid incursion into the galactic west is a nice change of pace from all the Chaos wankery that's for sure

storm jungle
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Yeah well

dapper cloak
storm jungle
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dont get used to it

green loom
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Depends who's askin

dapper cloak
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Its Vro lmao

green loom
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Oh lmao

dapper cloak
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I knew I recognized that art

dapper cloak
green loom
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Welcome to my newest lurk spot

vale shuttle
green loom
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Hold on I need to make a meme to answer this

green loom
#

There

near wasp
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Can we have huron replace abby pls

green loom
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Need divergent hoomins? Nihilus is where it's at

vale shuttle
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idk i don't really think the lore supports very divergent humans since 80% of nihilis lore is "the Imperium is conquering it back"

green loom
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Just do the sensible thing tbh
Ignore it whatthefuck_heresy

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Obscurus was kinda wild already Nihilus just made it worse

vale shuttle
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lmao

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you're right i should just set all my stuff in nihilis and make up that my sisters are partn of a little pocket empire that's based and not cringe because of being isolated or something

orchid thicket
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Considering that the Imperium monopolizes space travel with the Navigator houses and the Adeptus Mechanicus it's kinda hard to secede for good anyway

dapper cloak
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Unless your the leagues with their based robot AI warp travel

vale shuttle
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i juist want a little bit of lore representation of that kind of thing since if it doesn't exist people will be like "that's not the lore!!!"

storm jungle
vale shuttle
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and then i'll have to deal with that whenver i want to discuss my crusade campaign or custom order or w/ever

storm jungle
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Shockingly not a lot of people want to be a part of the Imperium

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admech included at times

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Heretek Gang

dapper cloak
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Its as easy as writing your own rogue system

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One must remember that to this day

green loom
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You can literally just

dapper cloak
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Some human worlds have never been contacted

green loom
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"Oh this navigator house was getting ambitious and pawned their expertise off for a shitload of influence in their own little space"

dapper cloak
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Gman actually hired a ton of rogue traders to go explore the new warp lanes that the Rift opened

vale shuttle
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alright guys you've convinced me

green loom
#

God I can't wait for RT

dapper cloak
orchid thicket
storm jungle
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tragic accidents

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*shoots blackhole gun at you*

vale shuttle
#

time to write my own little pet imperium divergent empire in nihilis that's no longer cringe after having lost imperial contact for (however long it's been since the great rift was opened) and learning to work with idk psykers, xenos, other shit like thbat

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🤷

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basically ill just make stormcast eternals but 40k lmao

green loom
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This kicks ass so RT will be good as well I hope

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orchid thicket
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Is that Kingmaker or WoTR?

green loom
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Wrath

orchid thicket
#

I'm halfway through Kingmaker myself

green loom
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I can't find a good link for kingmaker and I hear it's worse

orchid thicket
#

Picked the same avatar picture lol

storm jungle
orchid thicket
green loom
orchid thicket
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I'm looking forward to RT myself. I don't know whether to go full Imperial or full Chaos

green loom
#

If this game is anything to go by I'll be doing both across many months

vale shuttle
# storm jungle Good point lmao

look dilara GW isn't going to end times the setting like i keep asking them to by mailing them crumpled up letters that say "END TIMES 40K NOW" written in my own blood so i'll just implement what i want myself!!!

green loom
#

That's the idea isn't it

storm jungle
#

honestly i still highly suggest AOS for that

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its still pretty fucked up as a setting

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but at least the Order factions aren't fascist

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...

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okay they kind of are

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BUT LIKE NOT TOO MUCH

vale shuttle
orchid thicket
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God-kings aren't very fascist? Since when?

vale shuttle
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i really love 40k but also i'd feel happier if i could do "humans but not fascist"

storm jungle
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Yeah thats fair

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its why the Sigmarites in fantasy and AoS are basically "good guys" in the most basic sense of the word

vale shuttle
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i'm always uncomfortable when i have to sit down and write for my sororitas order and i want them to be good girls who haven't done anything wrong even though they probably burn babies alive for having six fingers or whatever

storm jungle
#

pretty much lol

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just do AoS

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much simpler

vale shuttle
#

but i like the 40k aesthetic and my friends do too!!!

storm jungle
#

in that case you might wanna like move onto eldar or tau

orchid thicket
#

But burning people alive is part of the aesthetic

storm jungle
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or just entirely make a rogue faction

vale shuttle
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but i like sororitas they look cool and they're rad as heck

storm jungle
#

Aw man 😔

vale shuttle
storm jungle
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AAA

vale shuttle
#

we're agreeing but like, talking as if we're not agreeing again

storm jungle
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its alright thats how i talk

vale shuttle
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fair enough

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sorry i cant im going to sleepy time in like 5 minutes 😔

storm jungle
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lmfao

dapper cloak
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Yeah its hard when your constantly reminded how the Imperium is like

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Satire turned up to a thousand notches

vale shuttle
#

yeah

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it's why i really want a renegade humans lore faction that isn't a joke

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it doens't have to be a superpower or anything, it just has to be viable

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but tbh i dont think it's gonna happen because imperium stans would bitch for a thousand years if it ever was suggested

green loom
#

Sable enjoyer

terse flume
#

are all the candles you see everywhere made out of corpsefat

#

we were having a joking discussion about how much meat would be on an ogryn available to a corpse starch butcher, and way more of the human body is fat by weight than i assumed

celest dome
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Most likely Grox fat

summer rover
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i doubt any of the candles are made of corpsefat, lard candles are smokey and tend to be....stinky.

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the admech might do that, if only because it lets them use candles that put a semi-protective layer of grease on the stuff they're sitting around and the admech will misinterpet anything helpful as a blessing from the emperor's private server.

plush mason
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i assume the candles are wax candles of some kind

celest dome
crimson kayak
crimson kayak
green loom
#

The Dominate was dying wasn't it

#

Some nasty business with dark eldar or something

signal bramble
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But once the imperium made a push he couldn’t keep up with the deal.

green loom
#

I've always liked the idea of controlled civil wars

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To train guard regiments

orchid lark
#

dont they do that?

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war games?

signal bramble
orchid lark
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Yeah

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Like we do that IRL

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Makes sense for them to do that in fiction too

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Mordia has gang cullings that act as recruitment too

coarse pumice
storm jungle
terse flume
#

bee planet

signal bramble
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I really want a 40k planet that’s flat and have them freak out when they see a planet that’s a sphere as they realize the round earthers were right.

dapper cloak
#

Yeah, the Imperium relies on violence on their worlds. Theres a good reason Gangs act as PDF, militarum recruitment, and Astartes recruitment.

storm jungle
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Yeah its something i remind people who also say "good" governors or worlds can exist.

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Eventually your hands will always be forced to brutalize and industrialise your world for some unknown war effort halfway across the sector

signal bramble
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Or to meet your tithe.

storm jungle
#

as the Loner psyker puts it, when you dont pay your tithe people get shot and replaced kek

dapper cloak
#

Ive read some detective 40k novel

#

Some worlds are interesting in that regard

#

Like the world its set on is so far away from any war zone, its citizens believe aliens to be myth

storm jungle
#

Yeah sometimes it do be like that

#

same as how we know America doesn't exist

dapper cloak
#

I can confirm as an American we are a figment of the imagination

signal bramble
#

When the imperium demands its payment they don’t get to say no. However, if we are to believe some characters in the kasrkin novel, there are plenty of planets where they live, work, worship big E, have kids, and never see a xenos or a heretic.

storm jungle
#

Maybe it was all a dream

dapper cloak
#

I shall now dissolve

storm jungle
storm jungle
crimson kayak
dapper cloak
#

Yeah alot of worlds are “peaceful”

signal bramble
dapper cloak
#

The PDF beats alot of invasions without outside help

orchid lark
dapper cloak
#

We only hear about the bad shit that requires the Imperial guard and Astartes because thats what’s interesting

storm jungle
#

I like how half the people in that picture are

signal bramble
#

I really wanted a spec ops novel of elite kasrkin vs the kroot trackers. Which it was until they go in the mountain.

storm jungle
#

"What in the goddamn-"

orchid lark
#

the thing is

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shed be dead

#

if shes swapping spit

storm jungle
#

LMAO

#

STOP

orchid lark
#

i mean

dapper cloak
#

Maybe hes a fist and cant do the acid spit

orchid lark
#

that shoulder pad says otherwise

storm jungle
#

Wait a minute

dapper cloak
#

That or shes ready to die from the Emperors best

storm jungle
#

computer, enhance

signal bramble
#

He has a blood angels logo on his chest plate also.

storm jungle
orchid lark
signal bramble
#

The strong woman fell for the handsome vampire. Happens all the time.

storm jungle
#

as a woman i can confirm this

#

vampires are hot

#

sorry Ultramarines

orchid lark
#

also if you look at that picture closely

#

the sister is 1 foot taller than the marine

dapper cloak
#

Back then Marines were like normalish guys

coarse pumice
dapper cloak
#

Custodes wore zero armor just a cape, and were mortals

#

Oldhammer do be odd

orchid lark
#

it was an okayer time

storm jungle
orchid lark
#

now space marines are relatable, because sisters of battle hate them

#

theyre just like me fr fr

dapper cloak
#

As a Dark Angels fan im very happy about recent lore. Overall though, i just prefer marines

#

Been dabbling into the Leagues tho

coarse pumice
orchid lark
#

just give sisters really stupid platform combat heels

green loom
#

Ok but when Vampire Sisters

storm jungle
#

god i wish

green loom
#

Time to make it a reality whatthefuck_heresy

orchid lark
#

Cult of Sanguinius Sisters

coarse pumice
#

Marines used to come with Tank legs

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green loom
crimson kayak
#

Also is that a Chain Telescopic Baton

#

Like, I can probably safely say that's the most stupid and fun weapon I have ever seen out of 40k

coarse pumice
crimson kayak
storm jungle
coarse pumice
#

I found it on some tweet some time ago

storm jungle
#

damn

plush mason
coarse pumice
#

chain telescopic baton was a guess here earlier

plush mason
#

lol

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@storm jungle where the marines in old hammer used to suppress riots?

storm jungle
#

Basically they were a stand in for law enforcement/army

#

it was back when Thatcher was in charge so half the things Space Marines did were either

#
  • Murder people horribly
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  • Suppress citizens having any fun
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hence that one artwork of them arresting a punk against a wall

plush mason
#

that was why i asked lol

#

i guess that is also why the old lore had them as frothing madmen that everyone hated

#

and ugly as heck

coarse pumice
coarse pumice
plush mason
#

big dumb and ugly

coarse pumice
astral whale
coarse pumice
#

Marines were basically the same, just more human in 1st edition

#

I guess this was before the HH was introduced

#

so the 'superhero' element hasn't begun to creep in

summer rover
#

they beefed up marines in the next book. wasn't even a year later.

coarse pumice
coarse pumice
signal bramble
#

I 100% unironically support ChatGPT’s position in this scenario.

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plush mason
#

tfw the fanfic idea is so cringe even the AI refuses to write it

storm jungle
#

Turkish Person spotted

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🫵staregryn

#

and i dont think this person is even in the game yet

rose thorn
#

at least when i use it

#

once i asked it to make a cities of sigmar army and it just said the same idea 3 times

green loom
#

It must be using fandom as a basis

rose thorn
#

okay i asked it to make space mairnes and it literally stole a necron sub factiom

#

The Solar Wardens: This chapter is known for their mastery of solar energy and their ability to harness its power in combat. Their armor is predominantly yellow or gold, with sunburst patterns painted on their shoulder plates. They specialize in ranged combat and are often deployed as a support force.

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what does sunburst pattern even mean

green loom
#

You know the old japanese imperial flag

summer rover
#

yellow circle with spikes coming out of it

green loom
#

With the lines coming from the circle

#

The lines are the "sunburst", I think

rose thorn
#

hey waht would you call this aesthetic

#

i cant find a name for ittt

#

theres a name for it but idk what

open pumice
#

these are two very different aesthetics

#

but the lowr is a kinda high fantasy mongolian

rose thorn
#

HUH i didn teven think the bottom one as mongolian

green loom
#

"eastern merchant" is the vibe I get

plush mason
#

yeah same

rose thorn
#

the closest answer i could get was silk trader

#

but

rose thorn
# rose thorn

yeah these guys are litreally called the roving clans

plush mason
#

well i mean. he is a silk trader and silk came form the east lol

green loom
#

Yeah I know endless legend

rose thorn
#

fair

terse flume
# rose thorn

sort of Romanian I'd say, old world, maybe some Roma inspiration. fortune teller, urban nomadic, witch

#

kinda early modern

rose thorn
#

why is finding a space marine chapter ideas that isnt ass so hard

#

OMG

#

I FOUN DIT

crystal forum
#

make a custom militarum regiment instead

rose thorn
#

its Persian

#

ancient Persia is the theme

rose thorn
crystal forum
#

what new box

rose thorn
#

leviathan

crystal forum
#

oh

green loom
#

I'm lamenting that this random bout of inspiration comes during an exam period thumbsdown_ogryn

crystal forum
#

you can use even more obscure ancient powers like the Hittites or some shit

#

epic of Gilgamesh except space marines

thick cedar
#

so lore-wise, how does darktides peril work

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how would it work i should say

crystal forum
#

it's a gameplay mechanic with artistic liberties

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same as toughness

vale shuttle
vale shuttle
# thick cedar how would it work i should say

reaching into the Warp in the wrong way (without discipline, uncontrolled, with daemons watching you) can invoke 'the perils of the warp'. when that happens you can die, summon daemons, do all sorts of bad and wacky things

rose thorn
#

oh yeah those guys arent bad

vale shuttle
#

didn't we spend time making the space wasps?

rose thorn
#

ohh

vale shuttle
#

lmao fair enough

rose thorn
#

that got too complex and i lsot enjoyemnt :<

#

im trying to work form something simple

vale shuttle
#

lmao fair enough

rose thorn
#

and then ad complexity form that

crystal forum
#

space wasps is a funny name

rose thorn
#

honestly making a chapter with the wasp pattern isnt a bad idea

#

but

#

its also yellow

crystal forum
#

why not void hornets

rose thorn
#

i could just eat these guys

#

but their chapter symbol is ass

crystal forum
#

isn't it weird that a chapter uses real life animals as insignia

rose thorn
#

yea arent like

#

all the animals on earth extinct

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except squirrels

crystal forum
#

some colonists probably brought bees with them to other planets

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but wasps???

#

then again wasps are the kind of creatures that would thrive in the 40th millenium because of how they live off anger and misery

rose thorn
#

lmao

#

im trying to find a chapter gimmick i like

#

but damn

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its hard

crystal forum
#

go lamenters

rose thorn
#

counter argument

#

i dont like lamenters

crystal forum
#

nobody does

#

that's their gimmick

crystal forum
rose thorn
#

i hate them evenmore

#

the chapters i hate most are space wolves and death specters so do be warned

crystal forum
#

white scars

rose thorn
#

i really like them

#

tbh

#

but eh

crystal forum
#

wdym eh

#

if you like them use them

rose thorn
#

a; white paint

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b; they are mainly speed oriented

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and then id feel bad for not using only fast units

#

because im weirdo

#

'MY LIST NEEDS TO BE LORE ACCURATE AAAAAAA"

crystal forum
#

what do you like about the white scars

rose thorn
#

monster hunting

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big book of murder

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not edgy

#

alot of traditions that arent ass

crystal forum
#

so what about deathwatch

rose thorn
#

im looking at you dark angels

#

they are like

#

not really my vibe

#

they are xcom style shit

#

idk how to explain it

crystal forum
#

i don't know many space marine chapters

rose thorn
#

good

crystal forum
#

last one in the bag is soul drinkers but you don't like punished chapters

rose thorn
#

its not worth getting into lmao

#

oka soul drinker is a different set of issues

#

that i dont want to get into

#

like

crystal forum
#

be quirky and go with luna wolves

rose thorn
#

i had an idea for a chapter thats like, medieval knight shit but they are looking for a new home

green loom
#

Questing knights?

rose thorn
#

their home planet was destroyed so they are on a quest to find a new one

#

yeah but less Arthur

#

like inbetween imperial knights and dark angles

#

angels

crystal forum
#

a surprising lack of medieval era themed space marines

rose thorn
#

very true

#

the only real one is COMPLETE ASS getting a rework

#

thanks lion!

crystal forum
#

you could go all in and make your chapter's home world be a knight world so they have close ties with knights

rose thorn
#

i do like the idea of a chapter searching for a new home

#

but like idk what themeing i would do

crystal forum
#

if you want them to be monster hunters you could go for the knight v dragon thing

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call them draconian slayers or something

rose thorn
#

eh maybe not dragon hunters im not too sure

crystal forum
#

what other kind of monster then

green loom
#

Nidhunters

#

Newer chapter

rose thorn
#

i dont want to make a chapter that has one gimmick

#

lmao

crystal forum
#

you're just going to overcomplicate the process if you try to go 4d chess on this

rose thorn
#

i just want a thematic gimmick

#

like

#

'oh they like knives'

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ect ect

dapper cloak
#

Tyranid hunters would be cool, given the fourth tyrannic war. Plus, very monster like, and several types at that

crystal forum
rose thorn
#

i wanna make a chapter that has a theme that doenst restrict my choices, and i can explain in like 3 words

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and that i can do simple fun kitbashes

#

i odnt wanna go hard on the sauce lmao

crystal forum
green loom
#

"Questing nid hunters"

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Don't need to specialise in any particular role

#

Leaves room for ample kitbashes

dapper cloak
#

A prefered enemy is very common

green loom
#

Yeah could just be beasts in general seeing as you love the idea of hunters

rose thorn
#

idk i wanan look at other stuff besides monster hunting mainly on space marines

#

like maybe for eldar or votaan that would be way cooler

#

but space marines are

green loom
#

That's just their main gimmick

rose thorn
#

space marines

green loom
#

Marines aren't wholly restricted by some cultural stuffs

rose thorn
#

which what ever htey do is 10 times less cool

dapper cloak
#

I feel like your really underestimating marine versatility

crystal forum
#

do chapters like the ultramarines even have a gimmick

rose thorn
dapper cloak
#

But idk, its hard to make a chapter that can be described in 3 words

viscid bluff
#

pretty much it

#

some of the ultramarines successors are kinda unique

rose thorn
dapper cloak
#

Jack of all trades, politicans, etc.

summer rover
#

being the poster boys is their gimmick.

crystal forum
green loom
#

Maybe early War Hounds, even then vaguely

rose thorn
dapper cloak
#

War Hounds were more Roman aesthetic

green loom
#

Ultras are de facto Romans

viscid bluff
#

old world eaters... maybe? [as in pre-corruption] dont really think so. but ultramarines are absolutely roman

green loom
#

Macragge is just Super Space Rome

crystal forum
#

so muck greek and roman in 40k

rose thorn
#

yeah

dapper cloak
#

I mean, its only really the Iron Warriors and Ultras. Any other examples i might be missing?

green loom
#

Yeah well that's what you get when half the setting is analogous to history KEKW_ogryn

rose thorn
#

im very happy they went unique on my favorite legion, word bearers

green loom
dapper cloak
#

Yeah but thats the Minotaurs

rose thorn
#

space mairnes are like, the hardest faction for me to make lol

#

my tyranid half ot he box i througt out instantly

#

an di really like them

dapper cloak
#

Ive made alot of space marine homebrew. Once you actually get into it, youd be surprised at what you can make of them

crystal forum
#

keep doing that until you figure out a good process

#

even professional writers can't make up chapters on the spot

dapper cloak
#

Ye exactly

#

Takes some lore diving and thought

#

Chapters can be made for alot of things

#

The Hospitallers were made solely to protect refugee and trade routes in Segmentum Obscurcus

green loom
#

I'm going to make a chapter that kills daemons because pathfinder has made me hate their guts

#

The Abyss fucking suuuuucks

crystal forum
#

i'm building a guardsmen regiment that's based on an ancient armoury world and everybody's expected to scavenge their own gear for war. that way i can use whatever i want and throw it all together lol

rose thorn
#

oh yeah guard regiements are so much better

crystal forum
#

it's mostly an excuse for me to use stuff like malcador tanks and mix match their uniforms

rose thorn
#

i think the problem i have with space marines is that you cant really make, a flaw and unique shit lol

#

an eldar craft world having a flaw is osmuch more impactful then a space marine chapter

#

'oh yeah my space marine chapter is struggling with supplies'

#

then, get more, your fucking space marines lmao

green loom
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LOl

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green loom
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No the cape's still there

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my favorite mod is still the one that makes engineers super buff

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i will never stop laughing at this

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I've adopted the shoulder cape for my own homebru

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Because the cape improved the cadian aesthetic

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Like
A lot

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i didn't even know it was called a cape

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but yeah it actually does mesh well with the green cadian

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Never got the model to work unfortunately

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it really looks like he has a skirt though

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Idc it looks stylish

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i did like the idea for a chapter thats entire job was to honor the dead

green loom
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That's just chaplains no

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like protect grave yards

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i thought that was librarians

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and recieve stuff that belongs to heros of the imperium

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that are dead

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librarians are pykers?

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Ye

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don't they also take care of chronicling

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Beats me, I know chaplains take care of almost all rituals and rites

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Maybe psykers do stuff idk

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i thought chaplains were more of the morale support

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They're very important to chapter culture also

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Oh and they're internal affairs

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So you suspect something
You go to them

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Which is why LEANDROS BROKE THE RULES OF THE CODEX, SINCE HERESY IS TO BE REPORTED TO THE RECLUSIAM

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noooo you're supposed to follow the codex perfectly Cat_Crying_1

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is the next siege of terra book going to be the last horus heresy novel

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No

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Or well

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Yes