I pointed out that Zag and his mom had aussie accents
#40k-lore-chat
odd palm
Americans think anyone outside of the US speaks french
They don't have an ear for accents
storm jungle
A river there chief
orchid lark
Bone Apple sauce my teeth
storm jungle
LMFAO
odd palm
I hate it
storm jungle
AAA
storm jungle
💀
storm jungle
i think literally the only Primarch im looking forward to return is Fulgrim
hes prob sometime around this year since Emperor's Children are gonna get their own range
odd palm
Hmmm
I swear if Fulgrim's model isn't Snakegrim on a very comfy couch eating grapes
I'll get sad
storm jungle
It makes sense from a business perspective for miniature folks too. Perturabo meanwhile has no keyword for any god so get fucked i guess lol
odd palm
Man's a fence sitter
storm jungle
a true Iron Fence
odd palm
Hang on
Snakegrim has to return so he can help Guilliman go to sleep again for his surgery
orchid lark
Fulgrim comes back Dante is gonna be there to try to get himself killed
only to be saved by another uncle
orchid lark
I know
storm jungle
yeah lmao
sleek wigeon
Leman Russ return teaser
nO
sleek wigeon
tbh I wanna see what's happening with turbo
storm jungle
hes one of the few daemon primarchs that has a working braincell
orchid lark
Dante "finally I can die now, no wait uncle dont save me"
orchid lark
ooh no i dropped my axe mortalis and perdition pistol, i hope no one stabs me as i pick them up
sleek wigeon
Angron would have been the sweetest but he got dealt such a shit hand
orchid lark
and hes in such an important position everyone else will prevent his death
sleek wigeon
and thats BEFORE emps took the only thing he had going from him
orchid lark
Angron was supposed to have a calming aura, before the nails ruined everything
Angron is proof that Capitalism sucks
sleek wigeon
same with Ferris tbh
legendary bromance with Fulgrim and then Fulgrim effs him over because he bought tier 3 subs to slaanesh on twitch
crimson kayak
Angron was supposed to have a calming aura, before the nails ruined everything
tbf considering how young he was when he got the nails, that "calming aura" was probably only while he was in the imperial crib pre-dispersal lol
orchid lark
he calmed the kids inside the slave pits
before the nails was implemented thoroughly
green loom
I was going to post the Peter gif but bandwidth here sucks
balmy abyss
Angron is just big monster man but people want to act like hes deep
Dont think he is deep. Just a sad character with so much potential lost thanks to his upbringing.
storm jungle
Dont think he is deep. Just a sad character with so much potential lost thanks t...
don't let the World Eater players hear you say that
balmy abyss
don't let the World Eater players hear you say that
Or what? They foam at the mouth and start a tantrum?
open pumice
Imagine needing the butchers nails to augment your rage and make you a more effective fighting force
This was made by the eternally leashed fury of the IX legion astartes
orchid lark
blood angels can be angry at will
world eaters need things to be better
also Blood Angels got lots of arts and musics
checkmate other legions
have fun being BORING
sleek wigeon
iron hands 
crimson kayak
meanwhile white scars in the corner
orchid lark
cant believe Guilliman made his own OC Power Rangers/Voltron thing with 4 of his brothers
Guilliman upon seeing Sanguinius from Signus - "Oh thank god, we just need Leman and Dorn now and we can make Imperium Secundus unstoppable. You guys are my real brothers."
The Lion who just showed up after. - "What the fuck am I then."
sleek wigeon
iron hands make me angry
they're cool and have some nice lore but james workshop doesnt do anything with them
AND ferris got little to no development bc of that shitmop fulgrim
coarse pumice
Bolt gun straight up two shots now?
green loom
The best space marine chapter is actually my homebrew
rose thorn
I should make my own chapter tbh
Since the subfaction rules are gone
My ideas either go so far that it’s unfun to work on
Or are too vanilla for my taste
I do have an idea for the hive fleet I’ll do for the leviathan box, I want a pyker heavy nid army so the lore is that they simply enjoy eating pykers
celest dome
Best SM chapter are the the one who were destroyed
orchid lark
My ideas either go so far that it’s unfun to work on
thats why we work together bounce ideas off of eachother
rose thorn
And I’m gonna make them after some medieval monster that is magical
orchid lark
or make it op because its yours and most chapters got whacky shit anyway
you are literally contending with Ragnar, Kaldor, Calgar, and Dante
its harder for you to make your OC to be more batshit mary sue than those guys
orchid lark
The best space marine chapter is actually my homebrew
Based thinking
orchid lark
And I’m gonna make them after some medieval monster that is magical
The Questing Beast! ( A Giraffe.)
green loom
Don't forget Mephiston
orchid lark
yeah him too
green loom
The guy who literally uses a jojo stand
orchid lark
but he was so cool in the Angels of Death show
green loom
I like my crappy space knights and will thus continue drawing them
orchid lark
"There is the Blood, and there is nothing else."
Making OC stuff for 40k is probably the most fun ive had in a while
my own little dudes
crimson kayak
i personally decided to adopt the void tridents, but more specifically the ones who swore as watchers of the gauntlet
green loom
Plasma guns are smaller right
celest dome
Depend on the pattern and the size of the Guardsman
green loom
Might switch it to another weapon+grenade for a more dynamic pose
crystal forum
Plasma guns are smaller right
is that a combat skirt
green loom
No it's the coat they wear
crystal forum
actually, is there a regiment that uses kilts?
coarse pumice
reminds me of the highland ariadna guys from infinity
crystal forum
i assume a british creation would have some sort of references to the scottish
crystal forum
oh so more late victorian red coats
orchid lark
(its actually just Mordians with different heads)
crystal forum
did they seriously reuse the models
orchid lark
there was a time (and they still do now) where kitbashing is a major part of stuff
which is why when I saw those new models for Cities Of Sigmar
I was like oh
thats just ready to be kitbashed for Imperial Guard
crystal forum
so there's something i still don't really get
is green armour cadian or is it the basic colours of the astra militarum
crimson kayak
cadian
orchid lark
Its camo based
orchid lark
in the second Eisenhorn books
Cadians change colours for camo depending on the season
or where theyre based on their world
contrary to popular belief, space marines do wear camo and change accordingly if needed
some chapters however do not
Red Scorpions and such
crimson kayak
it's just that the most common association for mini's is standard green cadian shock troops
orchid lark
yeah
its supposed to fit your tastes mostly
do you want them to have urban greys?
here you go
desert tan?
crimson kayak
also's the one that gives more easily the "human military" vibe
orchid lark
there we go
crystal forum
interesting
crystal forum
so if i want a bog standard guardsman, do i get a cadian and colour him however i want
orchid lark
but you will see Mordians change (funnily enough)
however you want
whats the regiment specialty, where are they deployed
what are they fighting
are they prideful in their colours
so on and so forth
crystal forum
i want them to be generic
crimson kayak
then yeah, just go for standard military colours you like
orchid lark
nothing wrong with having parade colours
crystal forum
i just like imagining what the billions of guardsmen from unknown worlds look like
orchid lark
go read the Only War playbook
plenty of good art
do you want white army Russians or red army russians
do you want soldiers in death masks?
we have that too
what about prissy uptight cunts?
fuck you Volponnes
crystal forum
are there models for PDF's
orchid lark
its a good bet that the PDFs will look like their exported cousins
maybe except Vostroyans
crystal forum
what guns should they get
orchid lark
who
crystal forum
the PDF's
crimson kayak
Pdf use standard guard equipment
orchid lark
It depends on the wealth of the planet or the industrial capabilities
orchid lark
a valhallan regiment had the unfortunate luck of being equipped with a lasgun for every third guardsmen, the rest had autoguns
crystal forum
what about a poor agrarian planet
orchid lark
suffice to say after a campaign all valhallans on that regiment had lasguns
crystal forum
they mostly lack on heavier departments
so no heavy bolters? or do they get more "lower quality" heavy guns like heavy stubbers and autocannons
orchid lark
twinlinked heavy stubbers does the trick
crimson kayak
yep
orchid lark
its nothing to sniff at
some planets PDFs are tougher than you think
Cadias PDF obviously
crimson kayak
the difference is mostly just that the pdf are more young and inexperienced, so they don't get to play with most big toys
crystal forum
great so a PDF army allows me to kitbash whatever the hell i want like their arsenal is a bunch of rusting stockpiles
crimson kayak
i mean that too if you want
orchid lark
gotta send a retiring commissar to that PDF
crimson kayak
there's a penal regiment who's whole thing is looting battlefields
orchid lark
I dont want to see no rusting equipment
crystal forum
gotta send a retiring commissar to that PDF
oh yeah good idea
one well dressed commissar who was luckily on the planet while it was attacked
orchid lark
also if the world
crystal forum
this sounds like armageddon
orchid lark
isnt the main planet of the system
it wouldnt really have its own pdf
it would have a pdf from the main planet essentially
crystal forum
it wouldnt really have its own pdf
not even a bunch of farmers with guns?
signal bramble
it wouldnt really have its own pdf
That is incorrect.
orchid lark
they have a PDF
signal bramble
Every planet is expected to raise a pdf of some kind. But it’s quality is mixed to say the least.
orchid lark
but if your stuff is based on a planet that exports regiments as well
crystal forum
now i have an excuse to make my tanks look intentionally shitty
it's PDF, truuuust me
signal bramble
Yeah pdf’s usually have the hand me down stuff. XD
orchid lark
also some regiments that are too small to be absorbed can be made to become the beginnings of a pdf
IE most cadians now
out fucking
signal bramble
Also planets that raise regiments do have a pdf as well. The regiments draw from the best of the pdf but the pdf is not part of the regiment.
crystal forum
is it common for planetary guard regiments to be absorbed into generic ones
orchid lark
I dont know
signal bramble
AM regiments answer to the munitorum while the pdf technically answer to the planetary governor.
orchid lark
never heard of something like that
signal bramble
is it common for planetary guard regiments to be absorbed into generic ones
Remnants of regiments will be consolidated.
orchid lark
in reference to Jays question
signal bramble
But once the fight is over they’re split back up.
orchid lark
Vostroyans are the only ones I know where they get new recruits for their regiments
crystal forum
during a crusade, do regiments generally all come from common sectors or are they whatever the crusade leader could round up
orchid lark
others do the thing where they just add numbers together
signal bramble
during a crusade, do regiments generally all come from common sectors or are the...
What the crusade leader can round up.
orchid lark
the 72nd Cadians and 423rd Cadians together are now 495th Cadians
signal bramble
He puts in the request and after a few years the munitorum will round up some troops for them.
Though gman is trying to streamline all that.
crystal forum
interesting
signal bramble
It is completely possible that by the time the forces are raised, armed, trained, and transported the planet/system they were going to help us already destroyed.
Or if the planet/system isn’t that important they’ll just disregard the distress call and take the planet back later.
crystal forum
like vraks?
orchid lark
dunno, probably 2 for every fortress world maybe
(aging military equipment)
Vraks had its own PDF
those bastards made the krieg earn their fucking keep
(but the war took too long, and space marines came in and inquisition too)
orchid lark
Overconfidence is a slow, insidious killer.
crystal forum
is that campaign the only one involving krieg
signal bramble
how common are those planets anyways
They don’t give hard numbers like that.
orchid lark
yeah
crystal forum
i never hear of them outside a vraks setting
signal bramble
Whenever they want a planet type they just make it up.
orchid lark
this is a death world ice world
cool
thank you GW
this is an ocean paradise world
green loom
i never hear of them outside a vraks setting
Because it's one of their only lore appearances and it's them getting jobbed for decades until other imperials come to do their job
crystal forum
Whenever they want a planet type they just make it up.
yeah that's what i assumed. whatever makes the plot move forward lol
orchid lark
Fortress worlds are getting more common with Rowboogies plans
signal bramble
yeah that's what i assumed. whatever makes the plot move forward lol
If you want to make up an armory world for your homebrew just do it essentially.
crystal forum
Because it's one of their only lore appearances and it's them getting jobbed for...
still crazy how they're one of the most famous regiments and they only have 1 campaign they're known for
orchid lark
literally make things up for your homebrew, literally no one is gonna hate it
orchid lark
Kriegs are famous for their civil war too
crystal forum
isn't their civil war just a prelude to vraks?
orchid lark
and that cinematic where they died in the Orctarius Sector thing
man, Kriegs suck
the fuck
terse flume
it turns out having a compulsion to die is not an ideal trait in infantry
crystal forum
i'll be honest idk why tabletop players like them so much. they seem to allow the least amount of creativity in individual soldiers
green loom
It's simple really
terse flume
i know why
orchid lark
theyre called wehraboos
crystal forum
ah yes the fasc combover
orchid lark
i like how the orks got shoehorned into being nazis
green loom
People also just like the WW1 aesthetic and paired with massive overrepresentation in memes it makes them fairly popular
crystal forum
aren't orks a caricature of working class londonners
green loom
Take a shot whenever some new fan starts posting about suicide charges and shovels
orchid lark
you want shum
green loom
You will get kidney failure before they get another joke
And probably before they read about Vraks at all
crystal forum
i think they're neat, just overrated
orchid lark
but muh trench raiders
green loom
But shovels brooo don't you like my le epic german suicide charge??
crystal forum
were germans known for suicide charges and shovels
orchid lark
they show their Azur Lane waifus and its all Ironbloods
crystal forum
come to think about it
green loom
Nah bro Girls Frontline is where it's at
crystal forum
wouldn't it be more accurate to make them WW2 japanese based? Would be pretty offensive though
green loom
GW and Japan don't mix
crystal forum
true
terse flume
aren't orks a caricature of working class londonners
it is from observation almost impossible rare that a 40k concept has a 1 to 1 with an irl equivalent, usually they are synthesis
orchid lark
it is from observation almost impossible rare that a 40k concept has a 1 to 1 wi...
you are probably the only person who is smart enough to point this out
you are my favourite
terse flume
were germans known for suicide charges and shovels
yes, cult of the offensive, stabbed from behind are utterly foundational to the national socialist internal conception
crystal forum
huh
green loom
It's over Swimbros
terse flume
you are my favourite
well, I am the best so that's fair
coarse pumice
wouldn't it be more accurate to make them WW2 japanese based? Would be pretty of...
that's the imperium in general:
god emperor ✅
outdatad tanks ✅
charge forward to hit them with the sword ✅
terse flume
the imperial church that has a silly name I can't spell a lot of people I assume think is Catholicism as a primary source but to me it's VERY, very very even comically anglican
crystal forum
is there even any regiment based on asian armies of history
signal bramble
it turns out having a compulsion to die is not an ideal trait in infantry
That’s not really how it works for them.
orchid lark
Asian Stuff was like Eldar or Tau
signal bramble
That’s just a meme.
orchid lark
mostly true
crystal forum
yeah tau are really feudal japanese themed from what i can tell
signal bramble
The krieg will happily sacrifice themselves to accomplish an objective but they won’t throw away their lives for no gain.
It’s made clear in the krieg novel.
signal bramble
yeah tau are really feudal japanese themed from what i can tell
Yeah.
terse flume
kiiiinda? there is a lot of china in there I'd say
orchid lark
its a lot of stuff
signal bramble
There’s a generalized Asian theme there yeah.
Farsight himself is very obviously a samurai. That’s not even debatable but the rest of Tau society has a mix of themes.
crystal forum
i don't know much about tau, i just see their armour and immediately think exaggerated medieval japanese foot soldier
orchid lark
something something Ten Rings, something something Puretide is Sun Tzu
crystal forum
of course GW will make the alien faction the asian themed one
coarse pumice
crystal forum
guardsmen not space marines
signal bramble
Also the Tau caste system is less hierarchal than we see in traditional cultures. The four elements are all roughly equal but beneath the ethereals.
orchid lark
ATTILANS
signal bramble
Obviously they’re mongols we get it.
crystal forum
more mongolian stuff
coarse pumice
of course GW will make the alien faction the asian themed one
If the Imperium is Rome, Eldar are like Greek and other earlier ancient civs
upbeat dagger
crystal forum
If the Imperium is Rome, Eldar are like Greek and other earlier ancient civs
sometimes i like to believe that not everything is based on classical antiquity
im usually disappointed in sci fi settings
crystal forum
what's a german junker socialite
coarse pumice
sometimes i like to believe that not everything is based on classical antiquity
it's because most modern space opera sci-fi are based (either directly or 2nd/3rd hand) on Foundation, and Foundation was "The Fall of the Roman Empire in Space"
coarse pumice
literally coined the term 'robot' 
crystal forum
did you see the tv show
coarse pumice
no
crystal forum
i heard it sucked
coarse pumice
I've just read the books (original Foundation trilogy) and some of the Robot books
crystal forum
they completely ignored the main message of foundation
coarse pumice
is that par for the course of modern adaptions?
orchid lark
thats why we have writers strikes
crystal forum
is that par for the course of modern adaptions?
yeah pretty much
movie directors use classic books and such to pitch shows to executives so they get approved. they don't give a damn about the source material, they just use it as a set piece for the story they actually want to convey
terse flume
Farsight himself is very obviously a samurai. That’s not even debatable but the ...
i would condense or elevator pitch something like
crystal forum
executives love when shows are based on books because they don't have to make writers work a lot
terse flume
what if communist china as conceptualized by the west and the federation from star trek were a space empire, except they have samurai and also gundams. oh that's too nice? shit fuck it doesn't fit okay what if we add western fears about communist china, like that it's a very rigid hierarchy, or maybe it's mind control, is that grimdark enough
it's not exactly pan asian it's in my read mostly china and japan, i don't really seem much eg thailand or what have you
crystal forum
it's not exactly pan asian it's in my read mostly china and japan, i don't reall...
those countries aren't "noble" enough for GW
terse flume
ww2 in space, china was off doing a bunch of internal conflicts during it, like the tau were off having civil wars. now, you know, period equivalant 70s or 80s or whatever, china/tau is a massive power out of seemingly nowhere and is pushing their strange ideology on the rest of the world/galaxy
again, nothing is a 1:1, it's a synthesis, that's just my read
crystal forum
people love applying the term communist to everything that involves an ounce of collectivism
coarse pumice
The imperium is communist as they employ commissars
terse flume
very, very specifically communist china as conceptualized by the west. the greater good is a kind of abstract of collectivism, but it's not used exactly that way, mostly it's used from observation as a kind of naivety? but i haven't read any primary sources on the faction, this is just me reading the publishing history
crystal forum
it feels a lot like whoever created the tau intentionally made the greater good as vague as possible to not have actual politics applied to it
terse flume
i bet a chinese author steeped in the local ideology would make a very different 40k and god damn do i wanna read about that elseworld now
crystal forum
also added some mind control stuff for good measure
terse flume
they released it yes literally exactly that
people complained it was too nice for the setting
crystal forum
i think the caste system is pretty grimdark in a feudal japanese/chinese way but hey
terse flume
afaik they made two changes, they made mind control be a possible explanation, and they made it so that the castes were more rigid which supports the first
ie, if they're using or may be using mind control you need the firm caste system to know who gets the mind control
copper patrol
isn't the caste thing also like sorta biological (for the tau themselves at least)
terse flume
right like members from different castes have literal morphological differences to better adapt to their role
crystal forum
yeah as far as i know they're biologically fit for different roles
terse flume
i'm not sure if that's genetic tinkering post GG or what
crystal forum
but i think the part that made them look "good" was that they convinced other species to join their caste system instead of outright killing them
copper patrol
iirc the castes are based on different tribes pre-etheral
warring tribes specifically
terse flume
being a human who lives in tau space is by a wide margin the nicest outcome, until the imperium comes and crucifies you for the highest betrayl
if i had to live in 40k i mean
or orks or tyranids turn up and lol heartily at the idea of diplomacy
copper patrol
which probably doesn't actually happen a whole lot tbh
depends on where you are tho
terse flume
yeah, it's a frontier thing
terse flume
tracks, yeah
same reason i thought for years this game was about space marines, and maybe orks occasionally
that shit sells
arctic talon
Tbh
It’s less likely the tau use mind control
And more likely they just have a great propaganda machine
terse flume
i am not entirely clear when you are supposed to read the novels/paratext etc as literally true or as potentially propaganda unreliable narrator more generally tbh
crystal forum
once again the idea of "technological regression" being called stupid because it lacks a fundamental understanding of how we function
terse flume
it gets kind of tidily compressed as "the technology that was lost was good warp", and in the absence of that travel the empire being comically unsustainable meant that anywhere not in a solar system with a manufacturing world and also an agricultural world wound up "regressing", meaning running out of food
and shit
crystal forum
no i'm not talking about that part
the idea that we got so reliant on technology that we forgot many industrial processes during a cataclysm isn't new in sci fi or even post apocalypse stories
coarse pumice
I think the idea was originally not to make it so monolithic for Rick
crystal forum
it's the idea that we lose our curious nature that's ridiculous
coarse pumice
the idea that we got so reliant on technology that we forgot many industrial pro...
Asimov had a story where people forgot mental arithmetic, rediscovered it then invented ‘human missiles’ where a human would do all the calculations and guide the missile
coarse pumice
40k before 40k
arctic talon
And keep on trying to replicate it
terse flume
it's super beleivable that the one faction in the entire fuckin galaxy who is actively trying to advance technologically is almost immediately like a million miles ahead of everyone else, lol
crisp heath
Problem is, I think, that everything is trying to exploit our curiosity
crystal forum
i see lots of sci fi and post apocalypse stories use tech regression as an excuse to regurgitate the classic greek view of "ages of man"
crystal forum
the idea that we once were in a "golden age" but regressed because of sin or moving away from the gods
it's getting old to see it fucking everywhere
terse flume
it's inherently reactionary, which fits somewhat when you're writing stories about comically reactionary cartoons, but yeah it's not very realistic
crystal forum
i get that GW is trying to shake things up with cawl but it's kind of annoying that they're packaging it as just a refreshing of the lore
terse flume
Problem is, I think, that everything is trying to exploit our curiosity
here's kind of a minor problem that i have with any gigantic sprawling universe like this one, where you write something to be awful, and then another writer comes back and writes a justification for that behaviour so the original awful thing isn't actually awful at all, it's pragmatic
like if you did research technology, which oh ho the horrible dark ages imperium never would, aren't they horrible and backwards etc etc
but if you did one of the chaos gods would corrupt you
crystal forum
GW already has a dedicated fanbase and their lore is already overbloated. they should lose the "keep things simplistic" attitude
terse flume
the imperium persecutes psykers, so terrible, black ships, etc etc, horrible bad times all around
but if you didn't, then the whole world dies to enslavers
so the imperium's behaviours aren't like, motivated by their odious opinions and worldview, it's all justified by the fiction
crystal forum
Now all that remains to be seen is if the lion coming back will mean anything at all
terse flume
it's kinda like, all this metaplot stuff
was to address the fact the like "now" in the setting was getting stale, right?
that's an outsider's read
like cadia and the cititrix maledictum etc
crimson kayak
from primaris onward it's a move to try to actually move the timeline
terse flume
sorry, i'm not familiar with primaris
crimson kayak
i can't even remember how many years we have been stuck in "the last years of the 41th millenium"
primaris marines
the new guys
terse flume
i am a comical newb, darktide, stupid wikis and this chat are the totality of my 40k experience, haha
crimson kayak
no worries, i learned basically all from devouring the lexicanum (wiki) while i was younger
basically metawise when they moved from selling the ones on the right in favor of selling the ones on the left it's when we jumped the story forward
lorewise a whole bunch of changes came with this
like as you said, cadia going boom and the cicatrix maledictum
arctic talon
Funnily enough gameplay wise firstborn are still better in a lot of instances
dapper cloak
Now all that remains to be seen is if the lion coming back will mean anything at...
It definitely will. Ive been reading his Novel, and it implies alot about what his goals are going to be once he starts his Crusade in the Nihilus
His nature of reconquering lost worlds and protecting the weak has not been lost
Adding on to that, the reabsorbtion of the Fallen who are willing to come back
dapper cloak
it's the idea that we lose our curious nature that's ridiculous
Also this. Its a result of the Adeptus Mechanicus and their faith in the machine god. Inventing is frowned upon, its heretical.
Fortunately, the Leagues of Votann dont have this problem. They have all the technology the Imperium has, but better. And even more tech the Imperium has lost. Its a result of the Votann databanks, which hold nearly every STC ever created, but the Leagues also encouraged inventing, tweaking existing tech, etc.
The problem isnt human nature, rather, its the existing culture of the empire and its reliance on tech-backwards Mars
And the fact that people in the Imperium who focus on their human nature of invention and progress, are punished and killed because the Tech-priests in charge have long abandoned that part of their brain, like literally cut it out
rose thorn
i love the space marine's excessivly large combat knives
its basically a sword lmao
rose thorn
i was thinking about making a slightly vanilla space marine chapter
and maybe their thing
is just the gaint knives
its like a religious thing for them
rose thorn
i know theres a religion that requires their members to carry around daggers at all time
but its like, religious daggers and arent actually sharp
so imthinking 'hey it would be funny if my chapter did that except instead of ornate knives they are just insanly large combat knives'
also i love that new model
the fucking insane guy witht he two knives
dapper cloak
Yeah its a really good model, i love the chitin tied to his armor
Cant wait for the Leviathan book to drop
rose thorn
ME Too
also my idea is just open enough where i can easily kitbash, and include any model i want with out it being out of place
orchid lark
i did the combat knives thing in my lore thing too
up the ante on the Codex lore thing
"A space marine shall master bolter, blade, and grenade, to assail his foes in any conditions."
Combat blades get welded onto the wrists over time
and bayonets
the black dragons were on some next level shit
if you can find the Rites of Battle Supplements for Deathwatch, you can roll to make Space Marine Chapters @rose thorn
or you know
use 1d4chan...
rose thorn
?
rose thorn
ooo let me look
rose thorn
theres a website that takes you to it
orchid lark
go wild
rose thorn
if i go to hard on the sauce i loose interest lmao
so maybe soething simple and work outward
orchid lark
dont forget your awesome chapter name
I went with Decimators because of a song
also Decimators just sound straight to the point
green loom
Got a cool title too
rose thorn
Maybe some kind of like, cruel tyrant space marine chapter
who claim ownership over planets they save and rule with an iron fist
green loom
Storm Tyrants
rose thorn
?
green loom
As in
The name
orchid lark
who claim ownership over planets they save and rule with an iron fist
"When my ancestral brothers invoked Rite of Conquest. I intend to enforce the Conquest part of it in all seriousness."
orchid lark
mmm delicious volkite ray guns
rose thorn
1; knife lovers
2;tyrantcal assholes
3; hmmm
orchid lark
rose thorn
Oh I’m just grabbing random ideas
Short two word descriptions
But yeah it does lol
Maybe something with pyker hunting
Their past time being capturing and killing pykers
Nah
Too specialized
orchid lark
Psykers are fwens
celest dome
A friend of mine run Plague Guards as Ogre, like their mutation make them really hungry so they act like Ogre from Fantasy
rose thorn
Oooooo that’s cool
near wasp
A friend of mine run Plague Guards as Ogre, like their mutation make them really...
Got them heretical tapeworms
celest dome
Yes ?
near wasp
I mean the warp exists so theoretically a human soul could exist outside its vessle.
Prolly not for long though
celest dome
A human soul outside it's body is possible the Psyker have something like that
But ye, usually it's Daemon snack
near wasp
Daemons could definitely act like ghosts. Bond to objects and leeching influence
Haunting areas
rose thorn
Maybe a chapter that’s looking for the soul of their dead primarch
green loom
night lords?
celest dome
Ironhand ?
Or Alpharius
And have some of them act as being possessed by Alphadaddy
celest dome
Dorn is alive
rose thorn
‘Hey y’all, your job is to make sure you actually can find primarchs’
celest dome
Or at least not dead
crimson kayak
iron hands already tried building themselves a fake primarch
rose thorn
OOO even better, a chapter that collects rare shit
crimson kayak
there's the relictors
but they are renegade because they started collecting chaos shit to use against chaos
crimson kayak
i mean
it's working for them
it's just that the inquisition went NOPENOPENOPENOPE
orchid lark
Blood Angels dead primarch is on Baal
dead and in a stasis coffin protected by molten gold
celest dome
OOO even better, a chapter that collects rare shit
Bloody Magpies
orchid lark
my chapter "collects" stuff
by that they will just take stuff they think should belong to them
this ship we raided
its ours
that tank you left alone, we fixed it and its ours
somewhere down the line theyll give it to someone else
I dont think you understand general, we saved you and your baneblade, i think its fair we take care of it now
rose thorn
Blood Angels dead primarch is on Baal
Can’t wait for him to get revived by the flips through random xenos necrons
celest dome
I helped a friend made the story behind his SM chapter, and they were initially IF from Necromunda that just participate in fights along the Imperial Guard and just yoink people from the various regiment to become initiate
And ended up stealing a Junior Commissar
orchid lark
200 years later, hey commander, i think you need this baneblade, good luck
they taking old people
poor guys
arctic talon
it's working for them
Tbh it’s an accident waiting to happen
signal bramble
I helped a friend made the story behind his SM chapter, and they were initially ...
They don’t take people that old to be marines.
orchid lark
what do you mean our recruits didnt survive
crystal forum
there's been cases of adults becoming marines
celest dome
Homebrew, Homebrew, homebrew
signal bramble
Homebrew, Homebrew, homebrew
It doesn’t matter if it’s homebrew if it doesn’t fit with the lore.
signal bramble
there's been cases of adults becoming marines
Now granted, primaris process has been shown to be more successful for older adults yes. But optimal success is with younger folks.
orchid lark
there's been cases of adults becoming marines
Old Man Kor Phaeron and his powered armour walker
signal bramble
The best homebrew fits seamlessly within the lore and doesn’t require lots of special exceptions or rule bending to work.
orchid lark
kinda
imperial guard whiteshields are a thing
whiteshields? white helmets?
summat
signal bramble
White shields is a Cadian thing.
Other regiments have nicknames for their newbies.
orchid lark
there we go, lore friendly there
signal bramble
In 15 hours, the regiment calls their new guys “new fish.”
White shields are usually 16-18 though. Space marines prefer their boys 10-12 years old give or take.
orchid lark
life in necromunda sucks
signal bramble
Unless you’re rich.
orchid lark
we can get these idiots started younger
celest dome
Seeing as both IF and SW take people who fight in gang wars and stuff I'd say 10-12 seem a bit young to be picked up well
near wasp
Did i hear child soldiers
signal bramble
Seeing as both IF and SW take people who fight in gang wars and stuff I'd say 10...
It’s not.
orchid lark
its actually not
signal bramble
To even survive to that age in the underhive you have to be a vicious little bastard.
orchid lark
much like this shithole that we live in, you can get involved with bad stuff early too
also Sigmar started fighting orks early too
rose thorn
Oooo we talking about kor pharon ?
orchid lark
he was 14 when he was fighting shit
signal bramble
Oooo we talking about kor pharon ?
Nah.
orchid lark
we were.
signal bramble
Underhive life is really violent, brutal, and shitty. Gangers and scum there have no problem killing or recruiting kids and getting them started early.
So a kid whose already blooded and trained to kill and survived is an ideal marine recruit.
copper patrol
ah yes, the cycler of shittery that starts with "I did it when I was younger"
orchid lark
Raiden killed people as early as 9
signal bramble
Guilliman is actually trying to reverse this notion of only taking kids from death worlds and the underhive.
He believes that it can be like Ultramar where gifted talented boys can “graduate” in to a space marine aspirant.
copper patrol
probably get less crazies that way
orchid lark
i love Meritocracies
signal bramble
probably get less crazies that way
Yeah but it depends. The flesh tearers and the cacharodons probably see it as a plus.
crimson kayak
eh, why not just get both
copper patrol
like if all you value is raw murder potential then underhives are probably your go to
deathworlds are a toss up
copper patrol
deathworlds are probably fine to recruit from(compared to underhive gangers)
signal bramble
death worlds breeds survivors
And people that are adapted to working as a group/tribe. Very important for marines.
orchid lark
it be the culture
crimson kayak
now that i think about it.... catachan marines
copper patrol
shouldn't be actually
crimson kayak
oh ok
crimson kayak
i was actually worried for a second that they were an actual thing
signal bramble
Catachans are like… almost abhuman at this point.
And they Naruto run which no space marine should ever do.
I can never not bring that up when talking about catachans. >_>
rose thorn
1; knife lovers
2;tyrantcal assholes
3; hmmm
I can’t think a 3rd space marine chapter idea 
orchid lark
what do you think their planet culture is
what type of world is it
maybe theyre very pretentious, (pride in our colours) and love bombastic parades
snooty
rose thorn
I just am choosing 3 separated ideas
orchid lark
owh
rose thorn
And then seeing what potential i like form each
orchid lark
what cool character tropes do you like in a badass
signal bramble
what cool character tropes do you like in a badass
Stoic, focused, relentless. So basically the DA.
rose thorn
Like, so depressed they are insanely angry
orchid lark
Stoic, focused, relentless. So basically the DA.
thats nice
rose thorn
What’s her name from smite, that guy from LoL, other examples
orchid lark
ghost children (or something) was a term used by tribes people when talking about the Emperors Spears
its just to say boys lost their childhood when they were took in
Vex is kinda emo
signal bramble
I can’t think a 3rd space marine chapter idea <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
Dark angels successor that were scolded by their dad for focusing too much on hunting the fallen. Now they feel bad and want to make the enemies of the imperium pay.
signal bramble
Never played.
copper patrol
Aatrox sounds about right tbh
signal bramble
Pvp games aren’t really my thing.
copper patrol
"I can't die so I will kill everything else"
rose thorn
is there a depressed angry guy in league?
Gwen
rose thorn
Very
orchid lark
do
rose thorn
Very
orchid lark
dolls get depressed?
rose thorn
WAIT
green loom
Viego is angry and depressed too
orchid lark
Vagoo?
copper patrol
I was gonna say
orchid lark
Vagoo
rose thorn
My friend likes Gwen
copper patrol
gwen is pretty happy from when I played league
orchid lark
Lacari lmao
green loom
I know this one Polish creature called "Drututt" that likes Gwen
green loom
It’s such an interesting idea for a character
His design could be so much better
orchid lark
Viego is pretty cool but i dont know how I would make, love unending to a chapter of space marines
rose thorn
He what’s revenge on something that’s basically his own fault
Maybe my space marine chapter has a geneseed failure that Makes them basically always cry
orchid lark
they shall know no fear, but they shall tear up
rose thorn
And they think finding their primarch will fix it
green loom
They're just like me fr
orchid lark
isnt that a death stranding thing
rose thorn
I never played
copper patrol
they shall know no fear, but they do be needing emotional support
sounds like it could be a blood angel or salamander successor tbh
orchid lark
YOU WATCH IT
copper patrol
toss in some false hope that they think they will find Sang
copper patrol
rose thorn
‘We will find sang’s soul and revive him! So we can stop crying’
green loom
They've had runny emo makeup for so long that it's been imprinted on the geneseed
orchid lark
thats a thing
rose thorn
I know there’s a dorn chapter that has migraines from their primarch
rose thorn
green blood drops are 4th company
Why?
orchid lark
two of it is 8th company
its just their way to distinguish it
like they do different helmet colours
yellow trim is second company for ultramarines lmao
white trim is first company for instance
fourth is green
rose thorn
Okay
Knife marines
Tyrant marines
Crying marines
copper patrol
I forgot about the yeeyee ass hair cut they gave him
rose thorn
i honestly hate that green
rose thorn
The piss angels
storm jungle
my guy looking like a GTA character
orchid lark
we can assume chapters descended from BA uses the same process
Wait Crying BA
isnt that just
Lamenters?
copper patrol
orchid lark
Crying cause they got shitty luck
copper patrol
mfs got yellow nad checkerboard
rose thorn
Taxi marines
storm jungle
They got the Primaris reinforcements but no lore since then
if they did people wouldnt stfu about it
rose thorn
Ah
storm jungle
so we'd know
rose thorn
I kinda like cryin marines
rose thorn
Paint tears on the helmets for leaders
storm jungle
I need to save them
Did you hear
orchid lark
Paint tears on the helmets for leaders
were they in prison lmao
storm jungle
let me repeat this meme 1000 times
copper patrol
storm jungle
AAA-
rose thorn
let me repeat this meme 1000 times
Like lamenters homies are cool but please I know your character’s life is terrible
storm jungle
Lmao yeah i like them too
its more that its like Rylanor
people wont shut the fuck up about it
orchid lark
Fulgrim went Cool Story Son
rose thorn
I thought fulgrim stayed in his pleasure planet in a depressed fit
Because his ego got hit
copper patrol
orchid lark
veni
storm jungle
"Hes killing [insert random system number here]"
rose thorn
Because he’s coming in 10th bby
storm jungle
yeee boi
rose thorn
And then in 11th we get another loyal primarch
orchid lark
only you can see this
copper patrol
storm jungle
And then in 11th we get another loyal primarch
Thats more or less the plan i think yeah
because traitors only got Fulgrim and Perturabo left
rose thorn
And lorgar
orchid lark
he forgot about himself
orchid lark
the first thing he did when he ascended was get hair
rose thorn
I doubt we are gonna get undivided primarchs
orchid lark
thats what he shouldve done
storm jungle
Also man that just puts Perturabo even more at the last spot. Because Lorgar and Fulgrim have actual tabletop shit
orchid lark
nah he should have hair
thatll be the ultimate proof of power
Remeber when Warsmiths were actual characters
HA
copper patrol
aah but if he has hair he will no longer be evil
orchid lark
cope and seethe Iron Dumbasses
copper patrol
orchid lark
lost to plague marines too
imagine losing a tank war to people who could barely keep their own weapons from crumbling to corrosion
rose thorn
I bet if e get anothe primarch it will be russ
We get one primarch for each cult marines
rose thorn
So one primarch for every non codex
storm jungle
bland popularity of Space Wolves
orchid lark
wasnt the assumed rumour that
Sanguinor was gonna be primarch sized
to show like
The Avatar of Sanguinius kinda bullshit
"primarch" sized
its just a big plate
rose thorn
Watch sang get revived by orks or some shit
signal bramble
I bet if e get anothe primarch it will be russ
The next primarch is Fulgrim.
rose thorn
Loyalest I mean
coarse pumice
yfw he's based on the original russ
copper patrol
I do hope what ever loyalist primarch we get next is more fucked up
like daemon bird corax or something
rose thorn
The Avatar of Sanguinius kinda bullshit
Honestly the idea of a bunch of space marines carrying a statue into battle sounds amazing
coarse pumice
rose thorn
A giant statue of sang
coarse pumice
rose thorn
I want to vomit
copper patrol
meh
crimson kayak
Based on GW’s release schedule jn the past
inb4 Omegon shows out of nowhere
coarse pumice
arctic talon
Old nagash is usable in sigmar
Remember that
You can put his glorious form on the tabletop on a huge base
copper patrol
a smoll angy lad
rose thorn
Names for an eternally crying space marine chapter
Crying crusaders would be the funniest
Ba successors
Lmao what if when they suffer the black rage they air lock their helmets so they drown in their own tears
crimson kayak
Lmao what if when they suffer the black rage they air lock their helmets so they...
that one death company marine who's optics broke and so he just runs around like a fountain
rose thorn
What if they just make their helmets like speakers so the sound of crying fills the battlefield
coarse pumice
crimson kayak
What if they just make their helmets like speakers so the sound of crying fills ...
kharn uses a chest speaker if i remember correctly
so that's a thing
desert dust
rose thorn
Okay chat
Space marines that constantly cry like banshees
Or space marines that tyrannically rule over planets they save
Or make a new idea
green loom
Why not both
dapper cloak
Space marines that constantly cry like banshees
Reivers do that actually
crimson kayak
Why not both
space marines constantly crying while bitching about how tyrannical and borderline evil they gotta treat their worlds to make them compliant
inb4 they learn the population just can't fucking keep up with the constant screaming and crying off in the distance and prefers to rebel than to keep listening to it
rose thorn
Let me think of more ideas for a g chapter
crimson kayak
oh shit, just looked up and the guard uses land torpedo mortars
rose thorn
LMAO
plush mason
land torpedos?
rose thorn
yea
storm jungle
i think the Krieg one has basically been only mentioned in Vraks and nowhere else.
iirc it said any imperial guard engineer crew could use them tho so
plush mason
please tell me its some kind of trench buster
storm jungle
Its an incredibly stupid weapon idea but the presentation helps
rose thorn
what if my chapter really values pykers who have hardcore random visions, so they go hella hard to find out what it means
plush mason
ok the mortar one is exactly what i feared it would be lol
plush mason
Its an incredibly stupid weapon idea but the presentation helps
the launcher is fine as its mainly to collapse tunnels
the mortar jumps out of the ground at its target which is just stupid
rose thorn
honestly i might go with the tyrant idea
"please we need help ;~; we are under attack by orks"
space marines murder the orks
"we have saved you, your planet now belong to us."
summer rover
everything you're describing sounds like one of the blood angel's successors.
rose thorn
?
omfg trying to amke a space marine chapter is so much harder then anything else
an interest ing one
storm jungle
Yeah welcome to the club lmao
I only made one Astartes character in my life and its just a renegade that went rogue after the Badab War from the astral claws
rose thorn
oooo?
rose thorn
OMG FR
storm jungle
ITS JUST A REALLY GOOD LOOK
rose thorn
I WANT my chapte rto use any unit i want, be an asshole, and probably geneseed mutation
storm jungle
as long as you are creative and dont go into any pitfalls it should be fien
there was a bingo board for this somewhere...
rose thorn
whats your chapter :0
storm jungle
oh I dont have one
rose thorn
o
storm jungle
like i said I only made a single astartes character in my life
rose thorn
OH CHARACTERrrr
storm jungle
rose thorn
lmao
storm jungle
I DONT KNOW ALRIGHT
plush mason
that last one lol