idk
#40k-lore-chat
copper patrol
crystal forum
i also think the taurox would look cooler with wheels
urban spire
idk, don't like armoured cars much
crystal forum
lol a pickup truck jacked up suspension
orchid lark
urban spire
that's going to fall over if you look at it too hard
green loom
I'm going to go play Wrath of the Righteous now
orchid lark
this is for all the Accatran Lasgun lovers
crystal forum
i actually am an autocannon enjoyer
urban spire
for the people who love bad lasguns?
green loom
Departure meme
orchid lark
the Tauros is the vehicle typically used by the Elysian Drop troops
the folks who use the accatran lasgun
urban spire
yeah, i am making the small joke
orchid lark
urban spire
almost all their equipment is accatran pattern
which makes sense, iirc, accatran is a forge world
crystal forum
making a leman russ has made me realize how much of an undertaking an entire armoured regiment is to create
like fuck even one of these would be a show off piece
copper patrol
this one has the less shitty looking laspistol in it
the other version of this I saw had a fucking carry handle on the laspistol
green loom
And YOU get a carry handle, and YOU get a carry handle, and YOU get a carry handle and..
urban spire
i do maintain that a bullpup lasgun makes no sense though
green loom
Implying lasguns at all make sense
urban spire
the magazine is a battery
copper patrol
i do maintain that a bullpup lasgun makes no sense though
I mean they don't, but it also doesn't matter a whole lot but I am not super versed in how las guns function
orchid lark
it says its a semi automatic weapon there
urban spire
you can literally stick it anywhere, design-wise, as long as the power gets where it needs to go
orchid lark
but its fully automatic in darktide
crystal forum
i do maintain that a bullpup lasgun makes no sense though
if a lasgun cannonically needs a long barrel to function properly then i don't see why it wouldn't make sense
green loom
Departure meme
I'm going to post this in memes and see what happens
green loom
Good
urban spire
you can literally wear the battery as a backpack
copper patrol
I mean that's kinda the thing
urban spire
it makes no difference as long as the power gets to whatever the equivalent of a receiver is in a lasgun
copper patrol
if the battery can be anywhere it doesn't matter that it's a bullpup
like for or against it
orchid lark
ergo it makes sense
crystal forum
you can literally wear the battery as a backpack
brother, bull pup designs arent meant for the magazines, they're just way more compact than normal rifles
urban spire
i am not a brother
crystal forum
it's about the barrel
orchid lark
nah its supposed to be funny
green loom
Cousin?
orchid lark
thats why bullpups are like that
crystal forum
you get the same length of barrel as a full sized rifle for a much smaller package
copper patrol
nah its supposed to be funny
green loom
and it's very stylish
urban spire
brother, bull pup designs arent meant for the magazines, they're just way more c...
yeah and they do that by placing the receiver farther back, which means the magazine has to be farther back, hence the magazine placement
summer rover
accatran designs are garbage
plush mason
a bull pup is so you can have a full length barrel in a compact package for the perfect combo of accuracy and mobility
crystal forum
a bull pup is so you can have a full length barrel in a compact package for the ...
at the cost of looking like a BOZO
urban spire
i'm not saying it's not a cool design, it's just that you can scoot the barrel of a lasgun farther back without moving the magazine
plush mason
at the cost of looking like a BOZO
in the military function always always leads form if form is even given a thought too
orchid lark
why not put the power pack in the front so its like hammer
crystal forum
in the military function always always leads form if form is even given a though...
ok but i don't want to look like a bozo
plush mason
fair
urban spire
nah the military can be pretty vain
e.g. pink camo is pretty effective in a lot of scenarios
plush mason
it works great in desert environments
urban spire
yeah
so either the pink camo is way too effective, or there's not a lot of pink camo in use
terse flume
in the military function always always leads form if form is even given a though...
the uh, royal armory guys
noticed a little touch on the K12 scope which i loved
where, it's almost entirely a form driven design or appears so, but the sight has a peak on it, like a stained glass window
plush mason
the uh, royal armory guys
? if you mean the guard those are just a parade unit lol
terse flume
no the guys who do youtube reviews of game guns and shit
plush mason
oh
plush mason
lol
urban spire
really good channel, highly recommend it
plush mason
i misread armory as army :/
terse flume
conceptually the idea that this soceity would of course peak their sights, since their conceptualization of window is that shape and as such it felt like a natural expression of design of an unusual perspective
copper patrol
I'd probably actually like them, but I normally can't stand watching the "lets look at game weapons or fighting style and pick it apart" type videos
crystal forum
conceptually the idea that this soceity would of course peak their sights, since...
what does he mean
terse flume
that a society like the imperium would express their weird culture in the form of gothic arched sights
copper patrol
makes sense
plush mason
all the windows in the imperium are gothic arched windows so ofc their sights would also be arched
urban spire
I'd probably actually like them, but I normally can't stand watching the "lets l...
the guy who runs it doesn't usually go for that, normally he tries to draw a comparison to a real life equivalent and probable inspiration
which is really cool
copper patrol
that's what I have heard
crystal forum
i bet making arch shaped lenses is a pain in the ass but this is the imperium
terse flume
who spend a lot of time and effort into making the models accurate if obviously fantastic, making them broadly work mechanically, etc
urban spire
i love when people complain about guns being held wrong in videogames set in like ww2 or something
mostly because period accurate technique is so weird
teacupping? they taught officers to do that, when they didn't teach them that weird stance where you tuck your left arm against your chest and just fire one handed
vocal drum
|| just read the most frigged up 40k story, eaten alive by a tyranid bio ship||
smh..
crystal forum
teacupping? they taught officers to do that, when they didn't teach them that we...
is that the weird stance where they hold the front of the rifle at an odd angle
urban spire
iirc that's what the laspistol firing animation looks like too, in fact
urban spire
is that the weird stance where they hold the front of the rifle at an odd angle
there are a lot of weird stances where you hold rifles in weird ways, you're going to have to be specific
plush mason
i love when people complain about guns being held wrong in videogames set in lik...
my only problem with ww2 and fps in general is the insane recoil. clearly none of the soldiers in GoD/battlefield have any actual gun handling training
crystal forum
also didn't officers learn to fire one handed in some militaries because they were expected to hold maps and shit in the other
urban spire
if you're going to fire a gun you should probably put down whatever else you have in your hands
plush mason
literally the only fps i have seen with realistic recoil is insurgency sandstorm
crystal forum
if you're going to fire a gun you should probably put down whatever else you hav...
if you're firing a pistol in the military you're already in a bad spot
plush mason
true
terse flume
also didn't officers learn to fire one handed in some militaries because they we...
for horseback I'd bet
urban spire
if you're firing anything other than artillery in the military you're probably in a bad spot
plush mason
tbf officers didnt do a lot of fighting
their main focus was directing and coordinating the troops
urban spire
anyway john browning had literally just invented modern guns, nobody knew how to use them yet
plush mason
yeah that too
crystal forum
i looked it up and apparently two handed stances were just not popular until the 50's
plush mason
ww1 showed just how far guns had outpaced military tactics and training
crystal forum
anyway john browning had literally just invented modern guns, nobody knew how to...
the 1911 was 30 years old by WW2. automatic pistols werent a revolutionary new concept by then
urban spire
i know i know
plush mason
here is a rifle that can blow a man's head off from 1000 yards. lets make sure to march to with 50 still
green loom
But tactical shit wasn't really known or cared about
urban spire
soldiers were taught to do all kinds of weird shit
crystal forum
anyways so in the modern military pistols are rarely used and only in self defence situations
plush mason
yeah or in cases where you are out of ammo
which is not something you should have happen
crystal forum
the american army made a bunch of research on if the m9 beretta was effective and most people who had to use it hated it
probably due to lack of maintenance
which is like most problems in the army
plush mason
we literally only switched to the m9 to ensure NATO compatibility
literally the only reason
crystal forum
so now they switched to a sig pistol that has also gained a bad reputation
it's almost like army grunts can't maintain their shit
plush mason
an army grunt's weapons need to be as simple and easy to clean and maintain has possible
urban spire
the rule of thumb is that anything you give to grunt that isn't literally tied to them is going to get lost
crystal forum
it's especially problematic with pistols since they rarely get to use them so they're left unmaintained for long
plush mason
the 1911 was 30 years old by WW2. automatic pistols werent a revolutionary new c...
the 1911 isnt automatic btw. its a single action pistol
urban spire
love to see an officer with one of those dumbass fallout revolvers with a scope on it
crystal forum
the 1911 isnt automatic btw. its a single action pistol
automatic pistol is an old term for semiautomatic
plush mason
love to see an officer with one of those dumbass fallout revolvers with a scope ...
those are real btw and used for hunting as dumb as that sounds
crystal forum
it's automatic compared to a revolver
shadow plover
My service weapon was FN HP-DA and honestly would have any other pistol in it's place
Bulky, heavy and inaccurate
crystal forum
love to see an officer with one of those dumbass fallout revolvers with a scope ...
yesss we need to go back to the era where officers bought dumb guns like the volcanic because it looks cool
i want to bring a BFR into battle
plush mason
shadow plover
Okay, any MODERN pistol
urban spire
yesss we need to go back to the era where officers bought dumb guns like the vol...
lol i was literally googling for an image of that before i checked your message
plush mason
is it just me or just about every modern pistol look almost exactly the same?
terse flume
being allowed to bring your own firearms to wars happened waaaaay later than i thought
i want to say there was a route to doing that in iraq 2003
crystal forum
urban spire
convergent evolution, nameless
plush mason
true
celest dome
Not much you can do with a pistol tbh
crystal forum
i want to say there was a route to doing that in iraq 2003
the army keeps removing cool things
urban spire
only reason revolvers still exist is because they have such a powerful cultural presence
summer rover
because the soldiers keep bringing in shit with their waifus on it.
crystal forum
it's just generals trying to standardize shit because they're dumb
summer rover
revolvers still exist because they're functionally moron-proof, and easy as pie to maintain.
plush mason
because the soldiers keep bringing in shit with their waifus on it.
ngl if i was in the army and saw that irl i may just frag the fucker
summer rover
you'd be doing a lot of fragging then because the armored corps are infamous basment dwellers.
plush mason
yeah
crystal forum
you'd be doing a lot of fragging then because the armored corps are infamous bas...
they're all short so they have to compensate
plush mason
lmao
celest dome
Small height does not cause those sort of degeneracy
plush mason
small pepe does :P
crystal forum
im not mad that i don't qualify to be a tanker, i'm just disappointed
signal bramble
love to see an officer with one of those dumbass fallout revolvers with a scope ...
plush mason
shotgun pistol
plush mason
im not joking
green loom
God the Arbites look so cool
plush mason
God the Arbites look so cool
i love their armor
urban spire
the first thing designers of fictional guns like to forget is the role of barrel length in the function of the gun
copper patrol
"soulguilt scanner"
plush mason
"soulguilt scanner"
wtf. that thing must blear every 2 seconds lol
signal bramble
Scoped revolver with a gun casing for the scope.
urban spire
i'm reminded of this atrocity
plush mason
why
copper patrol
pistols with full scopes hurt me
summer rover
concealable buckshot solves a lot of ptoblems
urban spire
no that thing is causing more problems than it solves
crystal forum
the arbites are underrated
plush mason
pistols with full scopes hurt me
they are literally used for hunting because trophy hunters are literal idiots
urban spire
the arbites are correctly rated
they're dorks and should be treated as such
overrated, if anything
summer rover
wtf. that thing must blear every 2 seconds lol
it's a name, it probably just detects elevated heartrates or heat. which is to say anyone anywhere near the imperium's famously violent police.
copper patrol
arbites look cool, other then like the stupidass scoped pistol
plush mason
it's a name, it probably just detects elevated heartrates or heat. which is to s...
so yeah. blears every time they use it lol
summer rover
they aren't supposed to look cool, they're supposed to look like nazis
but GW thinks nazis are cool, so here we are again
urban spire
they're supposed to look like judge dredd
plush mason
they still do in some ways
urban spire
(and judge dredd is supposed to look like a fascist)
signal bramble
I like the heavy stubber. Really has that LMG look.
urban spire
those bullets are a bit much
shadow plover
Every model is sculpted with off scale bullets so it doesn't really matter
plush mason
(and judge dredd is supposed to look like a fascist)
man. why where all the british comics in the 80s a parody of fascism? oh right Thatcher
urban spire
yeah thatcher
copper patrol
crystal forum
im so happy to not live in history
urban spire
:)
crystal forum
ah crap i just noticed that the entire turret of the in game leman russ is different
crystal forum
guess i'll just build my first leman russ as a normal one then make my next one as in game
crystal forum
leman russ demolishers
yeah but they look different in some aspects to the model you can buy
i'll have to modify some models
but im lazy so i'll do it later
summer rover
"normal" lemen russ?
crystal forum
leman russ vanquisher here i come
crystal forum
"normal" lemen russ?
the model you can buy
summer rover
like, battle cannon, hull bolter, no sponsons? with sponsons? autocannon instead? they sell a lot of variants.
crystal forum
like, battle cannon, hull bolter, no sponsons? with sponsons? autocannon instead...
the melta guns on the sponsons are different to the models you can buy. plus the turret looks a bit different
signal bramble
guess i'll just build my first leman russ as a normal one then make my next one ...
Magnets.
It's a very modular kit.
It takes some time to magnetize but it's worth it.
crystal forum
nah i'll need to make entire parts differently
plus i want more than just one leman russ since i want an army
signal bramble
nah i'll need to make entire parts differently
No you won't.
crystal forum
what
crystal forum
but it won't look like the ones in darktide
signal bramble
Says who?
crystal forum
signal bramble
It doesn't even come with the parts to make it like that.
crystal forum
yeah i'm not buying plastic
im printing mine
i'll edit the STL files to look like the one in game
signal bramble
Ah
terse flume
so there are like
are the in game economies representative of the kind of currency that exists in the imperium
are the arms industries like, nationalized (galaxied?)
copper patrol
the premium currency is iirc
terse flume
so aqalarias is money
copper patrol
the other stuff we are given is literally just shit that we can only use on the morning star
I think normal money is normally called aquilas or something like that yeah
terse flume
do you get like, paid
copper patrol
on the turbo shit world probably not
signal bramble
There is no central imperium bank, local planets have their own currency but trade is usually done by barter.
terse flume
are you a serf to whatever industry or warband you are associated with, are imperial citizens paid. if the frontline needs ten million new leeman russ battletanks, does that come from like, a budget somewhere?
is that just the tithe that planet does
copper patrol
now I have 0 idea on the military industrial complex side of things
signal bramble
are you a serf to whatever industry or warband you are associated with, are impe...
You're paid in shitty food and a place to live so long as you meet your quotas.
copper patrol
but on the steriotypcial 40k planet you are basically just given food as payment
signal bramble
is that just the tithe that planet does
The tithe is often raw materials yes and they do barter.
terse flume
cause rogue traders are wealthy clearly
there is unambiguiously like, stratification in their social order
so someone is getting paid
signal bramble
cause rogue traders are wealthy clearly
Again, there is no central imperium bank. What you are paid in depends on where you are.
On the planet of Varangantua they use currency. On another industrial world you're paid for your labor in food and housing.
copper patrol
just depends on how grimderk the author wants the planet to be
signal bramble
Rogue Traders "wealth" often comes from vast business empires but even if they have currency that currency could easily be worthless on a new planet they go to. Instead their wealth comes in the form of barter and access to whatever rare stuff they have.
terse flume
right, if i was a wealthy family
signal bramble
There might be a system that uses currency and then one system over that currency is worthless.
terse flume
that would be like, having a bunch of assets on multiple planets
like, idk, owning big chunks of an agriworld's production or something
signal bramble
It's better to think of wealth in goods and services rather than coin.
Plus it makes more sense that way since it's better to diversify your portfolio.
terse flume
would a person own a planet, or a moon
copper patrol
afaik there is sort of a currency, but like you said it isn't always accepted
copper patrol
would a person own a planet, or a moon
they can
but they are generally given said planet
terse flume
basically being space vassals
signal bramble
afaik there *is* sort of a currency, but like you said it isn't always accepted
Most of the time that's implemented in to games to have a currency system and isn't really represented in most lore.
copper patrol
rather then purchased, but Idon't think it is out of the question
signal bramble
You have to define "ownership."
terse flume
well right i guess circling back to the question
signal bramble
A planetary governor can do whatever they want on their planet but it technically belongs to their imperium. But so long as the governor is paying their taxes and preventing heresy then the administratum is more than happy to leave them alone.
copper patrol
I assume a very rich rogue trader probably could "purchase" a planet
terse flume
if the imperium needs a bunch of tanks, is there a cost equivalant being spent there. if they build lots of tanks, beyond just like machine time or whatever, does that mean they spent resources so they can't buy jets
signal bramble
if the imperium needs a bunch of tanks, is there a cost equivalant being spent t...
Not really.
arctic talon
No
terse flume
i assume it's a war economy
arctic talon
The imperium doesn’t have a traditional economy
copper patrol
GW doesn't do numbers well so they never expanded on it afaik
arctic talon
You don’t get paid to produce things
As far as we know
It’s often times for favors
Or for your continued existance as a planet
arctic talon
You don’t pay a tithe the imperium is gona come down harder then a hammer
signal bramble
Manufactured stuff for the war effort is usually part of the tithe. You are expected to produce it. They don't care how tf you do it but you sure as hell better do it.
arctic talon
Some planets techincally don't pay a tithe
but they still produce things for protection or for their continued existance
I.E Astartes recruitment worlds
signal bramble
Forge Worlds don't technically have to pay a tithe but they're expected to produce lots of stuff for the war effort.
arctic talon
or Feral worlds
signal bramble
But it's not called a tithe.
terse flume
there must be like, mining planets
arctic talon
Yep
copper patrol
ye
terse flume
mineral extraction planets, to send shit to make tanks i mean
copper patrol
the classic Genestealer cult models are from a mining planet iirc
signal bramble
That protection is usually because it's practical to do so. Critical resource planets are heavily guarded.
It's not out of altruism.
arctic talon
Its one of the main reasons why Forgeworlds are so rabid about protecting agri worlds
without agri worlds they'll just all starve to death lol
copper patrol
a lot of planets would
arctic talon
yep
signal bramble
Yup. Certain agriworlds produce food for entire systems.
copper patrol
hive cities are generally so unsustainable
arctic talon
but those planets usually have some sort of localized food production
if super inefficent
signal bramble
are there any hive worlds that aren't just total shit outside the city
lolno
signal bramble
It's more an industrial world than a hive world tbh
arctic talon
yeah
terse flume
iirc the age of technology had a whole bunch of shit that made the hive worlds not immediately obliterate the surrounding planet with a limitless supply of waste, pollution and shit
arctic talon
its a growing hive
terse flume
and then they all broke and the planets all died
arctic talon
iirc the age of technology had a whole bunch of shit that made the hive worlds n...
y e p
celest dome
Isn't Ellysia supposed to be a nice Hive World ?
copper patrol
you would figure some of the less shitty hive worlds would farm or some shit outside the walls
signal bramble
you would figure some of the less shitty hive worlds would farm or some shit out...
They find ways actually.
In varangantua they harvest cave fungi for food.
copper patrol
iirc that is most worlds right?
signal bramble
Varangantua also has a reservoir of ocean creatures they use to produce what are essentially cigarettes that apparently have "tons of health benefits."
crimson kayak
Varangantua also has a reservoir of ocean creatures they use to produce what are...
Sounds sketchy, I want 50
copper patrol
by barren you mean uninhabitable in the first place or made uninhabitable?
signal bramble
by barren you mean uninhabitable in the first place or made uninhabitable?
Yes
terse flume
or like, mars right now
copper patrol
I mean I figure a lot of worlds aren't livable but never where
arctic talon
its more so a
copper patrol
and are technically "undercontrol" by the imperium
arctic talon
This planet is useless for habitation
copper patrol
yeah
crimson kayak
I mean I figure a lot of worlds aren't livable but never where
I mean, when you think about it most death worlds are more lively than most normal or barren worlds
copper patrol
I more mean most worlds with a population are "civilized" worlds
signal bramble
Sounds sketchy, I want 50
copper patrol
ala earth but grimderk
terse flume
this is a tangent but i read about how they walked back how the tyranids avoid necron, and that annoyed me on the basis i always like they didn't have beef on the basis they don't have any reason to interact at all
arctic talon
Tyranids do still avoid necrons whenever they can
terse flume
right for the same reason they avoid idk desolate moons and shit
crimson kayak
right for the same reason they avoid idk desolate moons and shit
Tbf a planet can have both a necron tomb and tons of biomass in it
terse flume
because the tyranid doomsday and the necron doomsday aren't really incompatable
arctic talon
behold a mining world
copper patrol
that water or ice
arctic talon
and totally not a photoshopped picture from IRL like forgeworld likes to do
its ice
it was a mining world where a bunch of eldar invaded it to grab a phoenix lords armor
copper patrol
becuase of course they did
signal bramble
In the war of secrets novel there's a water planet with a bunch of oil rigs that harvest promethium. All the planet inhabitants live on the oil and mining rigs.
arctic talon
its also prolly one of the only depictions of a mining world lol
signal bramble
It's technically deep sea mining.
arctic talon
There's also that one really creepy ocean planet in the Charadon sector thats bottomless
and the mechanicus just extracts this weird glowy liquid from it
and also food
but no matter how much they extract from the planet they can never find the bottom and the water level never drops
signal bramble
Did you ever listen to the Dredge Runners audio drama? It's part of the warhammer crime series also.
The ending is one of the funniest things I've ever heard.
crimson kayak
but no matter how much they extract from the planet they can never find the bott...
Sea world, Ohio
arctic talon
Did you ever listen to the Dredge Runners audio drama? It's part of the warhamme...
I've been meaning to
also Fathom got invaded by nurgle forces
and the planets biosphere was completely uneffected
like all the diseased animals vanished
and the water returned to its former pristine clear apperance
signal bramble
I've been meaning to
I just finished it yesterday and it was really good. The ending was so amazing as well. Plus as a side bit of lore, you also learn that the imperium propaganda will have sponsors as well.
copper patrol
mf planet is called fathom
ain't no way it isn't some eldtrich ass horror living there
signal bramble
"Today's sermon was brought to you by this company's lho-sticks, the finest producers of lhosticks in the sector. Buy some today."
Yes, really.
copper patrol
sounds more cyberpunk type grimderk then the usual
arctic talon
"Today's sermon was brought to you by this company's lho-sticks, the finest prod...
beautiful
arctic talon
ain't no way it isn't some eldtrich ass horror living there
also all the sea life is bioluminescent lol
totally not an eldritch abomination deep below
copper patrol
9/10 sister hospitalers recommend .. Lho-sticks
signal bramble
sounds more cyberpunk type grimderk then the usual
Varangantua definitely has a cyberpunk vibe to it.
copper patrol
I mean hive cities are rather cyberpunk, just instead of neon lights and ads its propaganda and chruches'
signal bramble
9/10 sister hospitalers recommend .. Lho-sticks
In the bloodlines novel we see a manufactorum where the workers work 16 hours a day 7 days a week making Astra Militarum uniforms. Apparently in their off time they all get high as fuck because it’s the only way they can tolerate living.
arctic talon
In the bloodlines novel we see a manufactorum where the workers work 16 hours a ...
Ngl that’s only slightly worse then some irl working conditions in the past
crisp heath
I've done 16 hour days for a few weeks straight irl, manual labor. Those conditions still exist.
Granted I didn't get my flesh boiled off which seems to be common in imperial manufactorums, so I guess that's progress
signal bramble
Granted I didn't get my flesh boiled off which seems to be common in imperial ma...
Well this particular group did nothing but sewing by hand. So calling it a manufactorum was a bit inaccurate, my fault.
dreamy hemlock
11
plush mason
42
vocal drum
whats ur thoughts on wes for getting lore info guys? as a new person in 40k lore
is he an actual good source and not just clickbait?
heavy bison
Ngl that’s only slightly worse then some irl working conditions in the past
Kind of reminds me of the crime figures originally released for Mega City one in the early 2000ad Dredd comics, which are like, the crime stats of some of the smaller US cities in the 2000's
Because like, that was some brit's idea of a Dystopian/Impossible level of crime at the time.
signal bramble
is he an actual good source and not just clickbait?
His lore has been good so far though he’s gotten a few things wrong here and there.
Which happens, 40k lore is complicated stuff. His titles are a little click bait from time to time but the information provided is solid.
heavy bison
I think people like Wes, Majorkill etc are good for getting the gist of things.
signal bramble
I think he falls a bit too much in to the trap of just reading codex pages and could stand to be a little more creative in my opinion.
heavy bison
Arbitor Ian strikes a good balance between not being too dry and still entertaining while largely staying lore accurate.
signal bramble
Wes’ discord is a bit toxic and cringe though, but it’s not the worst.
heavy bison
Atleast from what I've seen.
green loom
Mfw the flavour text book is full of flavour text
green loom
There was this
Live action thing
A bunch of Scottish guys were making years ago
But I can't find it
arctic talon
The current box dread has an entire sculpted rock base lul
I’d say a tactical rock is fine
signal bramble
The current box dread has an entire sculpted rock base lul
Look at the name.
And consider what happened at vigilus.
balmy abyss
Didnt Abandon beat the hell out of Calgar last time we heard from them?
signal bramble
Didnt Abandon beat the hell out of Calgar last time we heard from them?
Indeed.
Abaddon won the battle but lost the war in that scenario.
arctic talon
Yeah he inadvertently made a martyr
By “killing” calgar
As far as the public knows rn calgar is dead
signal bramble
He beat the shit out of marneus but suffered severe damage to his fleet and lost on a tactical level.
signal bramble
And it makes sense that they wouldn’t let abaddon have a complete W against the leader of the ultra Smurfs.
arctic talon
But Abbadons main force had to withdraw
astral whale
Tbh I’m happy to see Calgar “dead”.
Man’s arc has ended ages ago.
arctic talon
He might as well be dead lore wise rn lol
Got impaled, lost a few limbs and got brutalized lol
signal bramble
The real Calgar is dead anyway. That dumb comic retconned so it’s just some dude what took his name.
arctic talon
Also he lost his main heart lul
arctic talon
The real Calgar is dead anyway. That dumb comic retconned so it’s just some dude...
Tbh it’s still calgar imo
Even if he took the name
astral whale
Got impaled, lost a few limbs and got brutalized lol
He already lost his limbs tho. Swarm lord and all.
arctic talon
Or rather the calgar we’ve known as a character
arctic talon
He already lost his limbs tho. Swarm lord and all.
Well his mechanical ones, also he lost both his hearts
In said fight
Only reason he lived was because apothocaries were able to get to him almost instantly lol
astral whale
Tbh it’s still calgar imo
Nah. That comic was bullshit IMO. Like. I can understand people liking it for the fan service but in terms of 40k comics it’s C tier at best.
arctic talon
Nah. That comic was bullshit IMO. Like. I can understand people liking it for th...
Not saying it’s good
But the character Calgar is still Calgar
Even if the comic is meh
At best
astral whale
It’s not tho. It’s a pretender who took the name Calgar.
arctic talon
That doesn’t change the fact that they’re the same character they’ve always been
So I don’t think it matters
green loom
Only reason he lived was because apothocaries were able to get to him almost ins...
And because the entire 1st company died saving him
arctic talon
We didn’t know anything about calgar before he became a marine
So I don’t see how it changes that
green loom
Yeah it was nice to flesh out his backstory
Makes him seem more experienced knowing he was in the Deathwatch and stuff
arctic talon
I don’t think it matters how he got the name
Only that his accomplishments are the same
It’s still the character Marneus Calgar from 3e
He hasn’t changed at all because of it
All that’s changed is that it isn’t his birth name
astral whale
I don’t think it matters how he got the name
I just hate that detail. They didn’t even need to imply that Calgar isn’t the first Calgar in the UltraMarines.
arctic talon
Then you can hate it
green loom
I mean
arctic talon
It’s just my opinion
green loom
Nobles in Ultramar regularly donate goons to the UM
iirc Cato is also from nobility
And I recall a short biography in the codex about a random marine from a noble house that gets buried in their family crypt
astral whale
Tbh I want to see more stories about chapter serfs, and just people that aren’t marines. Marines work better as characters that exist in the universe but are more mythical figures. Literally the Emperor’s Angels.
green loom
Yeah I want to read about how the serfs walk around working all day
If I wanted to be depressed about working conditions I'd just go min wage
Now, more hoplite action wouldn't hurt 
But they're an exception
astral whale
Yeah I want to read about how the serfs walk around working all day
Not when you consider that every single imperial ship probably is it’s own micro city/microcosm with unique cultures and standards of living. I find that to be extremely unique and as a setting that would be incredibly interesting but each to their own.
storm jungle
40k Marine minis always put names of special people and shit on their armor
thats not calgar
green loom
Idk serfs probably lead mega dull lives, unless you're like
A hoplite in the Mentors legion
Or part of the Auric Guard with the fists
odd palm
40k Marine minis always put names of special people and shit on their armor
Nah, new Calgar model just dropped
storm jungle
Nah, new Calgar model just dropped
Bold of you to assume GW does anything new with Marine characters
odd palm
Lmao, I mean Calgar gets refreshed more than the rest
green loom
My boi Severus having 3 separate models and getting maybe 2 lines of Dialogue in Dark Imperium be like 
storm jungle
green loom
1st Captain and he has basically no lore lol
signal bramble
Idk serfs probably lead mega dull lives, unless you're like
A hoplite in the Men...
Sometimes they got a pretty awesome reward.
In the devastation of baal, one cannon crew did so well that their space marine ship captain gave them extra rations and an additional 6 minutes of sleep.
Fucking christmas has come early for them.
green loom
"Good job guys, we avoided crashing before the boss man's flagship, that means we're cool!"
Gonna boast about it until the end of time
odd palm
That will be a story they tell their kids and kids, kids
queen laurel
Bold of you to assume GW does anything new with Marine characters
An interesting space marine character in this economy?
storm jungle
I know right
crystal forum
all my tank main guns printed wrong except the demolisher cannon and the executioner plasma cannon
im faced with a difficult choice
pseudo depot
Tbh I want to see more stories about chapter serfs, and just people that aren’t ...
Agreed. The novella Nexus has a lot of POV of an Ultramarines chapter serf that I really enjoyed.
astral whale
all my tank main guns printed wrong except the demolisher cannon and the executi...
Just put the bad ones into a Savlar Army. Boom. Problem solved.
If anyone asks just answer “They drive it like they stole it. Which they did.”
crystal forum
Just put the bad ones into a Savlar Army. Boom. Problem solved.
very tempting but they don't look scrappy enough for that. i just snapped them off the supports in a bad way or didn't sand them correctly so they just look broken
thank fuck im printing this stuff instead of messing up an 85$ kit
summer rover
should probably use clippers instead of just snapping them off. 3D printers can be iffy that way, it's why i don't trust trying to kitbash with them
crystal forum
i do use cutters. i've got a dummy amount of electronics tools so i'm good on that department
i just cut badly and damaged the barrels too much
plush mason
ok an evil suns/speed freaks version of twisted metal would be an amazing game
watching a video on the orks
crystal forum
i find it really large brain material that people disguise bad sanding as deformed tank armour
i wonder if a soldering iron would make cool shell holes
heavy bison
it does, I just use piece of metal wire I've heated with a lighter though.
Doing it on some guardsmen for impacts in flak armor.
orchid lark
“You do realise those heretics will have guns right.”
green loom
Pretty hot
orchid lark
“Not if I stab them first, lord inquistor.”
orchid lark
Gdi
green loom
Hey the captain's pretty at least
storm jungle
Im gonna play dice with your eyeballs
orchid lark
Dont need more of them
celest dome
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/373256424068874260/1102553699106160780/...
Wait did SM get something again ?
Did they get something yesterday too ? I remember the Leviathan reveal on Saturday
coarse pumice
Very exciting stuff.
the real exciting thing is this is ||the beginning of the slow end of primaris who will get slowly osmosed into regular marines and the forgotten||
orchid lark
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/373256424068874260/1102553699106160780/...
on the bright side, you can build it from existing sets
but its
just not needed
plush mason
man i hope we get this in darktide at some point
celest dome
Plenty of things I'd want to see from this picture alone
plush mason
true
green loom
Im gonna play dice with your eyeballs
I wouldn't mind
storm jungle
🎲
orchid lark
careful, asking for drip, all youre gonna do is just wake up the folks that will complain that fatshark shouuld fix ggame before adding cash shop
storm jungle
Lmao
meanwhile
every lobby i join has people that buy truckloads of cosmetics from the shop
storm jungle
I mean yeah even when a game is a masterpiece they'll complain
storm jungle
look at Resident Evil 4 remake
orchid lark
bad game
storm jungle
"OMG ASHLEYS TITS ARE NOT BIG ENOUGH"
"LEON DOESNT DO THIS ONE LINER"
"SHIT GAME"
plush mason
give the zealot the signifier
storm jungle
oh my god that would be a great idea
plush mason
please fatshark
storm jungle
literally a slightly restrictive standard weapon
you just swing it around as a blunt object but the more you have it out the more you support your team
plush mason
ye
storm jungle
come on fatshark, please
fierce pendant
come on fatshark, please
storm jungle
<:DENIED:886312190896914492>
storm jungle
LMAO
goes to run in with a bleed loadout
gets demolished by 2 regular enemies
ragequits
orchid lark
you dont understand if we finish the mission faster, I can talk about it to people online
fierce pendant
Evil zealot player be like: Here let me watch your back while you're doing the hacking minigame.
orchid lark
Evil Zealot Player be like: I will allow my teammates to take time and appreciate the scenery
storm jungle
god this makes me feel so weird for being a relatively "good" zealot player
orchid lark
Lucius pattern Veterans be like, Trust me guys this Lasgun can clear waves, if you guys let me just do it
storm jungle
kek
crystal forum
Zealot players that want to help their team
we help the team by bringing enemies to them
rose thorn
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/YDeWYOxLHrGIfgnE....
OMG JT HIMS, THE TYPING SERVITOR
crimson kayak
well, im not liking a lot of the new kill team
storm jungle
yeah uh
rose thorn
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/noK9xES99LIwxp92....
Also rip catachan players lmao
storm jungle
well, im not liking a lot of the new kill team
the entire stream chat was spamming "😴 "
crimson kayak
the entire stream chat was spamming "😴 "
they literally look like the most base ass bitches along the whole Kt roster
storm jungle
Yep LOL
crimson kayak
i could find more personality is a Phobos kill team
rose thorn
Wait, tahts supposed to be the inquisitor?
crimson kayak
like, the only ones that get a pass imo are the gland warrior/ganger duo, the red robe plasma pistol one and the combat servitor armour
rose thorn
Okay In all honesty, this has some kitbashing potential
rose thorn
And the typewriter is great
storm jungle
Okay In all honesty, this has some kitbashing potential
And yeah this kit's entire fate is gonna be getting kitbashed for parts
crystal forum
dual wielding with a bolt pistol because apparently plasma pistols don't have enough recoil
storm jungle
thats an autogun
crimson kayak
Okay In all honesty, this has some kitbashing potential
yeah, probably that was the intent or else i can't really explain why not go the rogue trader route and show a specific retinue
green loom
When do we get drum mags for shredders
crimson kayak
When do we get drum mags for shredders
also this
rose thorn
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/373256424068874260/1102552257716830289/...
Also you can probably get away with using one of these guys for that one guy form our martyred lays
The one that Greyfax abuses
green loom
Our Martyred Lays Chips
crimson kayak
btw yeah, considering the inquisitorial killteam agents of the imperium is officially gonna be the melting pot of lists
crimson kayak
as of right now, the whole agents of the imperium list is literally just 4 killteams that can't fit in pre-existing armies
rose thorn
To be fair this one has more of a reason to exist then the space marine one
Because inquisitor models are old as fuck
crimson kayak
oh yeah, i just hoped they would make agents of the imperium more than just the killteam rulebin
rose thorn
Tahts why we need a rogue trader army
Literally every imperium unit that has been shoved into agents
Is Cannonically used by the rogue traders
Even the space cops
crimson kayak
Is Cannonically used by the rogue traders
tbf any unit at all has been canonically used by a rogue trader
rose thorn
Okay fair
crimson kayak
like, if you look deep enough in the lore there's a couple houses that have space marines with them
rose thorn
But you can literally see one of the cops used by a rogue trader in the first epsiode of hammer and bolter
plush mason
And yeah this kit's entire fate is gonna be getting kitbashed for parts
hope someone makes a unite of pikemen from that polearm
rose thorn
Also I’m glad that the milita officially has 2 models now
rose thorn
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/noK9xES99LIwxp92....
These dudes
crimson kayak
also just noticed but the servitor also got the best armour of all the retinue
green loom
He has the least issue with weight
rose thorn
***also just noticed but the servitor also got the best armour of all the retinu...
I got really bummed because when I saw him I thought for a second this was the combat arena kill team :(
plush mason
he also has a plasma cannon. that is clearly not a normal servitor lol
plush mason
"coolest space marine kill team"
*Bunch of generic models*
i mean. space marines are the poster boys of the word generic so what can you expect
rose thorn
Lmao
vale shuttle
picture of average space marine personality / model / general marineyness https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5488f21fe4b055c9cb360909/1427135193771-IM8B5KC0OUVQCRG7YCQD/2013-10+Steel+Cubes+-2.jpg
plush mason
yup
crimson kayak
i mean. space marines are the poster boys of the word generic so what can you ex...
The only marine killteam I can accept is either a whole Tyrannic War veterans lineup or something similar, as otherwise they are literally "generic models, but with more rules!"
plush mason
yeah at least those dudes use nid parts for armor and what not
crimson kayak
Yeah that's the point, kill team while it's yeah more "your dudes" the teams shouldn't feel like I bought a value box for standard 40k
plush mason
frankly i feel like kill team would be a great way for GW to test some non-standard stuff for their models
crimson kayak
exactly, or like trying out new "sub-factions" like how they did with krieg using the veteran guardsman
plush mason
yup
crimson kayak
harakoni killteam for scions fucking when gw
or hell just any scion model that isn't a tempestor or a taurox lol
green loom
crimson kayak
Literally Recolored Tempestus Models
Im screaming so loud right now
(also why the ganger guy and that other one are in their own little square box?)
also damn AoS is getting some good models
celest dome
Maybe they will be available for something else ? Maybe Necromunda ?
crimson kayak
oh no, apparently most of the models are interchangable
"Four of these acolytes can be each be built as two completely different operatives – the pistol-packing Interrogator can also become a knife-juggling Enlightener"
so yeah, it's definetly a kitbashing kit, especially considering it's not even part of the new Kt season
(also the servitor can be equipped with a bunch of different guns)
crimson kayak
yep, also while a sister of silence and the scion squad are included in the box, you can swap them out for breachers/guards/arbites units
but yeah, at the end of the day it's a value pack for a bunch of cool kitbashing pieces
celest dome
Dunno why but while I found SM to be cool before, now they just seem boring
crimson kayak
lore and focus bloat
wich is the general state of 40k lore considering it's all marines
storm jungle
^
its the same effect as
"wow 40k is the best sci-fi universe ever i love it!"
a year passes
"Ughhhhh kill me"
crimson kayak
yep, imagine eating pizza for a week, you like it, feels good, different toppings an ecc.... but then they start force-feeding you the same 5 toppings for the rest of the year.
storm jungle
This.
vale shuttle
"wow 40k is the best sci-fi universe ever i love it!"
||look man i love 40k but there's a 0% chance i'd say it's the best lmao||
celest dome
But at the same time, like for SW, Jedi/Sith are still very cool, but here...
vale shuttle
anyway if GW had half a brain they'd cut down on all the fucking goddamn marines
plush mason
wich is the general state of 40k lore considering ***it's all marines***
did they really put a primaris marine in a necron boxset a while back?
crimson kayak
did they really put a primaris marine in a necron boxset a while back?
wait what
plush mason
wait what
there was a meme going around of a necron boxset with a primaris marine on the cover art
vale shuttle
FOR CHAOS
crimson kayak
also this box seems to fucking love the shredder
plush mason
***stop looking at the inquisitors, we got NAZGULS (top ones)***
give the top one a mace and you got the witch king of angmar
signal bramble
***Im screaming so loud right now***
They’re painted as inquisitorial storm troopers.
Something scions often take the role of.
pine wedge
"wow 40k is the best sci-fi universe ever i love it!"
the novels dan abnett writes for 40k are my favorite scifi novels of all time
because dan abnett writes about actual people
even when he writes space marines
he includes real people to provide context and contrast
crimson kayak
They’re painted as inquisitorial storm troopers.
yeah i noticed, but i expected more than just throwing a token scion squad and painting them red... as you know... they are not painted when you buy them
signal bramble
Yeah but scion squads of storm troopers often follow inquisitors so it makes sense.
pine wedge
"hey dan we're gonna need you to write an alpha legion novel."
"okay here's a novel about john grammaticus."
"does... does it have alpha legion in it?"
"yeah, probably? who cares"
crimson kayak
Yeah but scion squads of storm troopers often follow inquisitors so it makes sen...
oh yeah im not saying it's bad, i just expected them to have some more details considering they came with a killteam box
instead they literally just give you a scion squad and SoS model
signal bramble
I was looking at the new imperial side models and none of them really screamed inquisitor to me.
Though I did just wake up I can’t tell which one is supposed to be the inquisitor. Or if there even is one and they’re just the interrogator and retinue.
crimson kayak
I was looking at the new imperial side models and none of them really screamed i...
imo they fucked up by not trying to cash in with darktide using a inquisitorial retinue killteam
and instead they tried to cash in by stealing details from a bunch of 90es/early 2000 models
storm jungle
imo they fucked up by not trying to cash in with darktide using a inquisitorial ...
Definitely this.
people are already kitbashing lots of DT kill-teams in general
fierce pendant
They probably had plans for that, but then the reviews rolled out and...yep
crimson kayak
They probably had plans for that, but then the reviews rolled out and...yep
tbf most of the time gw releases some news about something most i hear is people complaining anyway so i don't think that's the problem
fierce pendant
I'm talking more about not releasing it for people newly exposed to 40k via vidya. Since the negative reviews weren't just from whining 40k fans
vale shuttle
you're right it was from whining gamers a far more influential and important group
crimson kayak
oh yeah, but anything not tabletop related couldn't be given a shit by gw
fierce pendant
oh yeah, but anything not tabletop related couldn't be given a shit by gw
also fair
crimson kayak
like, should i bring up the period where they literally gave the 40k ip like free-cake for any money-grabbing game company?
crimson kayak
but i must say im curious about the new killeam season
as we are getting a craftworld killteam
orchid lark
like, should i bring up the period where they literally gave the 40k ip like fre...
The space wolves mobile game was kinda neat
crimson kayak
The space wolves mobile game was kinda neat
until it drowned in micro's lol
orchid lark
Shame about the other thousands
crimson kayak
same story of freeblade, dakka squadron (when it works) and lots of others
terse flume
tbf, this discord is ultimately part of that process
fierce pendant
yeee
orchid lark
either Craftworld or Exodites
Please be warp spiders
terse flume
like, if it wasn't for GW's wide band approach to IP licencing, there is no chance vermintide happens
none at all
fierce pendant
Please be warp spiders
sir you dropped this 
crimson kayak
same story of freeblade, dakka squadron (when it works) and lots of others
hell... i unironically liked Drop Assault for a fucking long time
storm jungle
the IP thing is more about clamping down on the sale of miniatures and animation
orchid lark
terse flume
GW will give out game licenses to anyone
they went back and forth, buh one of the gaming youtubers did a good deep dive on this
crimson kayak
Please be warp spiders
even better, make it like the rogue trader kill team and make it one warrior for aspect
with a bunch of dire avengers
terse flume
for a very long time they took the opposite strategy, either selling the IP game licence rights to one big company that could afford the whole thing, or at one stage trying to do it in house by buying a company in the 90s i wanna say
orchid lark
I dont want that
terse flume
both went very poorly
signal bramble
I'm talking more about not releasing it for people newly exposed to 40k via vidy...
There were plenty of good reasons to complain about the game. It had serious issues at launch.
storm jungle
They still pretty much do that
orchid lark
I like to not complain
terse flume
in like, late 2000s early 2010s they changed tac quite significantly
orchid lark
Its against stoicism
fierce pendant
There were plenty of good reasons to complain about the game. It had serious iss...
can we not do that in lore-chat, and I'm not even defending it, chill.
terse flume
they got big into sublicencing, like, the comic model basically
fierce pendant
take that shit to #general-chat
terse flume
where you don't buy the rights to use the 40k universe, it's waaaaay more granular than that
you buy like, the rights to using a faction, or these worlds and chaos gods, or in some super niche mobile instances literally like two models
storm jungle
Ye its what Fatshark confirmed with Vermintide 2's DLCs
they basically need to ask permission for everything
orchid lark
I mean
terse flume
it's a very good model, the comic people have been making money from it forever
orchid lark
Thats not so bad
terse flume
like the idea that "spiderman" is a brand
orchid lark
Back flipping terminators
terse flume
in itself
and not like, just part of the marvel universe or whatever
that's a very profitable idea
and it means you can licence out a billion games because licencees don't get quite as miffed about having to share
terse flume
intellectual property rights surrounding lore is the deepest lore
vale shuttle
i want a 40k sisters of silence army
crimson kayak
I wanna talk about lore again
no, now let's talk about corporate actions for the next 6 hours using this pile of documents i specially made for this moment
fierce pendant
I wanna talk about lore again
aight, here's 1000 lore accurate reasons, why warp spiders won't be in a next kill team 
celest dome
Lets be like the sisters of silence
Can't you do a Custodes armies with only SoS ?
orchid lark
aight, here's 1000 lore accurate reasons, why warp spiders won't be in a next ki...
Dont hurt me like this
fierce pendant
I'll not dw.
vale shuttle
cant really do it in 40k
orchid lark
A pure sisters of silence army would be pretty top
They have/had more units than Custodians
Before Custodians just started out jumping out the woodwork
vale shuttle
sisters of silence are so cool!!!
crimson kayak
btw, speaking of lore, just read up on the Warp Ghosts and it's funny how they are said to run around using shit that apparently looks more advanced than what marines actually use
vale shuttle
i wanna run a full sisters army but there's just not enough support
pine wedge
they basically need to ask permission for *everything*
yeah Aqshy said that they have practically weekly meetings with James Workshop
to discuss everything they want to do
interesting dynamic
orchid lark
btw, speaking of lore, just read up on the Warp Ghosts and it's funny how they a...
Ghosts
orchid lark
The warp works in mysterious ways
crimson kayak
as their leader is literally a guy they recluit when they first meet abaddon
and the leader is present when the guy gets recluited
crimson kayak
lol
also funny how the lexicanum says "they are just a warband, so they have fewer numbers" and if you look at the numbers section you read "Possibly several thousand marines"
green loom
Hey it's just possibly
crystal forum
you'd think the grey knights would love having the sisters of silence around
green loom
Why would you think that
crystal forum
Why would you think that
they make perfect meat shields
rose thorn
Yea so do inquisitional acolytes lmao
crystal forum
like make a cannon that shoots blanks
rose thorn
They have pyi cannons that basically do that
Looking at the heros, they aren’t the worse ig
green loom
crystal forum
when is warhammer fantasy getting a glock
celest dome
when is warhammer fantasy getting a glock
?
orchid lark
I love borderlands
crystal forum
ok so lukewarm take:
i dislike fantasy settings clearly set in the late medieval age who incorporate steampunk factions to appeal to a crowd
orchid lark
Edwardian era fashion and tech is what makes people gush
rose thorn
orchid lark
Thats a waffle iron
rose thorn
I LOVE IT SO MUCH
all of the heads in the new horse rider kit
Has so many amsizng themes
This one makes me think of like
celest dome
ok so lukewarm take:
i dislike fantasy settings clearly set in the late medieval...
Warhammer Fantasy is more like Renaissance ?
crystal forum
Edwardian era fashion and tech is what makes people gush
so they should make it entirely steampunk
rose thorn
A cities army tahts just a giant prison and all the models are prison guards
orchid lark
Warhammer Fantasy is more like Renaissance ?
Dont tell them that
rose thorn
so they should make it entirely steampunk
I’d say Victorian era lite steam punk
crystal forum
Warhammer Fantasy is more like Renaissance ?
alright alright but my point stands
why explain steampunk stuff as magic
rose thorn
Or this one for the hunting guild themed army I’ve been thinking about
crimson kayak
wait isn't tech just tech in fantasy?
crystal forum
it doesn't make sense to me. it clashes with the aesthetic
orchid lark
The dwarves love steam
rose thorn
it doesn't make sense to me. it clashes with the aesthetic
That’s the aesthetic tho-
orchid lark
Whose aesthetic
rose thorn
It’s why I love warhammer
orchid lark
Yours?
crystal forum
That’s the aesthetic tho-
is the main setting steampunk?
orchid lark
Or theirs
rose thorn
warhammer is just, smashing random shit
celest dome
why explain steampunk stuff as magic
Warhammer Fantasy doesn't do that though
rose thorn
‘My Aztec lizards are gonna beat the shit out of your pirate vampires mother fucker’
‘My space dwarves will destroy your snake ladies’
celest dome
Like LM stuff is Magitech sure, but Dwarf stuff isn't like that
orchid lark
Thats my favourite steampunk
crystal forum
Warhammer Fantasy doesn't do that though
i thought skaven shit worked with magic
rose thorn
Also AoS operates on showing an army that’s themed to soemrhing you really like
orchid lark
Those skeletons are steampunking my renaissance/baroque era soldiers
rose thorn
Like if you enjoy blood elves
celest dome
It's sorta close to Magitech, but not really
celest dome
Isn't it Daughter of Khaine?
rose thorn
Yea
orchid lark
Citizens of Kane
celest dome
Children of Corn
rose thorn
Siblings of Khainus
crystal forum
wait so the rats figured out electricity
orchid lark
Nah
rose thorn
wait so the rats figured out electricity
Warp crystals are their crutch
orchid lark
Its warp lightning
rose thorn
It’s like if your battery was 50 nuclear reactors with the cooling system of a bowl of water
celest dome
wait so the rats figured out electricity
The Dwarf have it to, they light their Holds with electricity, but it's the 1st step into it
orchid lark
Sigmar has electricity too
crystal forum
idk i guess it would be cooler to see man powered machines that were made in the renaissance era
orchid lark
He frankenstein monsters his soldiers
celest dome
That's in AoS
rose thorn
There’s no one asthetic for warhammer fantasy tbh
celest dome
And he had a Dwarf God do that
orchid lark
But its electrifying
celest dome
there are Frankenstein's Monster like Zombie too
celest dome
But its electrifying
Sure, but it's more magic than tech
rose thorn
Oh yeah I forgot soulblight grave lords have Franken monster too
celest dome
That's Bretonnia
orchid lark
Trebuchet?
celest dome
Oh yeah I forgot soulblight grave lords have Franken monster too
Fantasy and Bloodbowl have them
crystal forum
i just don't know why dwarves can't be dwarves without gimmicks to make them different
rose thorn
i just don't know why dwarves can't be dwarves without gimmicks to make them dif...
What?
celest dome
What do you mean ?
rose thorn
crystal forum
so steampunk dwarves are not gimmicky to you
orchid lark
No
rose thorn
No??
crystal forum
voltan are super gimmicky
celest dome
You mean the one in AoS ? Sure, but not in Fantasy
rose thorn
There’s also normal dwarves in AOS tho
crystal forum
is AoS not fantasy?
rose thorn
I’m cuties
orchid lark
What do you want dwarves to be
rose thorn
They are different things
crystal forum
huh
orchid lark
Are you new
crystal forum
Are you new
new to what
orchid lark
Cuties
rose thorn
sorry historitor :(
celest dome
voltan are super gimmicky
The League of Votaan aren't gimmiky, they fit their settings
celest dome
I’m cuties
We know
orchid lark
The League of Votaan aren't gimmiky, they fit their settings
Its very dwarvy
rose thorn
orchid lark
They uh mine and shit
crystal forum
The League of Votaan aren't gimmiky, they fit their settings
they don't though. they're given this weird AI leadership thing to make them different
crimson kayak
The skaven's point is that their stuff is powered by warp stone wich is basically uranium
rose thorn
Leagues are cool, but they aren’t my style
celest dome
The skaven's point is that their stuff is powered by warp stone wich is basicall...
If Uranium worked as cocaine/meth at the same time
crystal forum
anything can be snorted with enough determination
crimson kayak
If Uranium worked as cocaine/meth at the same time
I mean... Can't say if it works until you try it
celest dome
Like Ancestral Dwarves?
The Votaan are AI, the Kin are a mix of clones and normal Squats
celest dome
I mean... Can't say if it works until you try it
Don't worry we know
rose thorn
My guy it’s not that deep 
they can’t put WotC ass axe and shield dwarves into space
crystal forum
Yeah but the cores fit the niche of the ancestral dwarves
by having non dwarves be the elders?
orchid lark
So the Iron Kin are not dwarves?
orchid lark
Did you not read the votann lore?
crystal forum
not yet tbh
orchid lark
not yet tbh
crystal forum
im still finishing the soul drinkers
orchid lark
rose thorn
crystal forum
whar
rose thorn
Who wants to tell them?
orchid lark
Theyll get to it
crystal forum
don't spoil shit