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storm jungle
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I cant

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game boring

plush mason
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its blizzard

storm jungle
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Im just here for the Savathussy

green loom
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I can't afford D2

storm jungle
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Good.

signal bramble
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It’s why I quit destiny 2. I got tired of the grind and they sunsetting my favorite weapons.

green loom
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It's like paying a subscription for stabbing myself

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I don't get much out of it and it arguably hurts me more

plush mason
green loom
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See

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You only need the expac

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AND the season pass

green loom
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Because the expac has 5 minutes of content and then everything's locked behind seasons

storm jungle
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and then uh

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realised they removed the Red War

copper patrol
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destiny is like

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almost real good

green loom
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I bought Beyond Light since I thought it was cool

copper patrol
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but it has a lot of dumb shit they keep doing

storm jungle
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pretty much

green loom
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But they gutted the base game and I couldn't play anything because the latest content is paywalled behind the season pass

storm jungle
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tho i was surprised at how much fucking lore it has

plush mason
storm jungle
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yep

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literally just a junkyard diet chernobyl

plush mason
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so its literally just the same stuff but longer

green loom
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Worst RPG tbch

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Shitty, empty maps

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Shitty, empty story

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Decent factions

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But they also took most of the factions, stabbed a knife into the artery in their leg, and threw them off a balcony

storm jungle
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Launch day Destiny 2 was something else

plush mason
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yeah

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red war was great

storm jungle
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fr fr

green loom
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You'd think they'd have like

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Some budget left for a few extra maps per planet

near wasp
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I play solar hunter and ill i do is let my handcannom sing. But its so absent minded im not sure if i even enjoy it xD

storm jungle
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Im a Titan main so

green loom
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Based

storm jungle
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as dumb as your average space marine fan

near wasp
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Want me to bring you some crayons

green loom
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I like big hammer

storm jungle
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same

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literally sigmar simulator

green loom
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Also remember the good trailer

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Check out Japan's live action trailer for Destiny 2 featuring a guardian dance circle!

Check out Destiny Lore You Should Know Before Playing Destiny 2!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzthRmjrjjU

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Watch more Destiny 2 videos!
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▶ Play video
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Apparently made into a canon thing that happened

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Or so I read

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But yeah screw destiny lmao

storm jungle
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Lmao

green loom
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The only story thing I liked at all recently

storm jungle
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destiny is literally the most fun game that I hated with all my passion

green loom
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Is Saladin becoming "Valor Forge"

near wasp
green loom
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Disgusting games both with worse players

plush mason
green loom
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The shield is respectable

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But hammer superior

near wasp
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Mordhau is the only game ive watched a lobby completely fall apart until almost everybody is swearing in game chat with racial slurs

green loom
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Did you perchance play on EU

near wasp
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No

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Na

green loom
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Granted, EU doesn't usually devolve into swearing because most of them don't speak English

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I played on NA last night and it was some new breed of Cancer

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Like I thought EU was bad

plush mason
green loom
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It got a few thousand players recently

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Because it was free on Epic

plush mason
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most of them will leave

near wasp
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Im one of the new player

green loom
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Naturally, all the high levels got on specifically to pub stomp

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And kill the game again

plush mason
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yup

green loom
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Then complain about the game being dead

storm jungle
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aka "Lets fight what is basically a C'tan as 4 tiny ants"

green loom
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Wasn't that already an expansion ago

plush mason
storm jungle
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It was the Savathussy expansion

green loom
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Now you're in uhh

storm jungle
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i forgot its name

green loom
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Lightfall

storm jungle
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Yeee

green loom
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Which is the Thor: Ragnarok of Destiny expacs

storm jungle
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he was the best part of the update tbh

green loom
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Complete with bad humour!

storm jungle
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AAAA

plush mason
near wasp
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Can i say how much i hate the vender dude

storm jungle
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Which one

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they all suck

near wasp
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The neptunian silver surfer

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His voice just makes me irrationally angry

green loom
plush mason
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hell i think the only part of lightfall i have seen any praise for is the thread thing that is more or less just a grappling hook lol

green loom
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I can't find the full meme but it's in response to Caiatl saying her father died

storm jungle
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also i found this video in my files idk where else to post it so uhhh

plush mason
green loom
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Don't think it is

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But they say dumb stuff like that afaik

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Also their voice has gone through like

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15 separate auto tune programs

plush mason
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pain

green loom
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Brb need to tuck cat in for nap

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He likes to get scritches before sleeping

near wasp
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Whoever did the filters for homies voice just saw all the buttons and pressed them all

green loom
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Anyone want to give me some art ideas KEKW_ogryn

plush mason
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the lion dropkicking erebus :P

queen laurel
green loom
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Something less dynamic?

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Will have to wait because I don't have the heart to move the cat off me rn, he's very cozy

plush mason
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a squad of IG praying before or after battle

green loom
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I'll just draw up a bunch of guard regiments for starters

plush mason
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nice

crisp heath
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If Lion is a Bretonnian, I'd believe it.

green loom
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That's more Empire Knight vibes with the wings

coarse pumice
orchid lark
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Miss the angry face helms

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Like it looked so fucking good back then

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But now it looks like kinda doodoo

coarse pumice
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there was a certain intensity of the old artwork

orchid lark
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(Model wise its fine and on par with the boring mk10 stuff)

coarse pumice
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and look at the colours around the cave and the buildings in the background

orchid lark
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Intensity

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Such a shame we slowly went away from traditional painting for a lot of things

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Not to say some contemporary stuff sucks

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The artists who did the space marine battle book covers are my fave

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Those works had like weight

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Really makes it clear space marines are typically in the worst shit

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Siege of Castellax, Death of Integrity, and Gildar Rift were fantastic

coarse pumice
storm jungle
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Jack Memeqo my beloved

near wasp
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Im about to spit some blastophmy. What if gw is setting up for the reformation of imperium secundus. We have both the lion and guilliman now, all we need is sangy. Many people think well never see the angel rebirthed, but its clear his soul exists still shattered as it may be. Of course if this is the future that comes to be, im afraid the emperor will die, just as his son gave his life, the emperor will give his. A final act of defiance against the gods as he ascends to become one.

(Yes i know i sound crazy and yes i know itll never happen but sometimes you just gotta type out your theories)

crimson kayak
# coarse pumice

The more I look at very old 40k art the more it looks like ai art today

crimson kayak
near wasp
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i cant help seeing the threads. Sanguinus told dante he cant die, so maybe dante will become the angel reborn. If sanginus fortold his own death, whats stopping him from planning after that, setting his own plans in motion to return to life long after.

Of course if the emperor dies its likely humanity will crumble more but with the trio of primachs, humanity might not be doomed.

green loom
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The Imperium currently is basically 3 big autonomoous regions

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Sanctus, Nihilus and Ultramar

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Ultramar I include mostly because it's big

arctic talon
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Nihilus isn’t even really a region at this point

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It’s fractured to hell

near wasp
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There kinda in age of strife 2.0

crimson kayak
near wasp
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Lol

astral whale
coarse pumice
copper patrol
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the fucking guy in the corner

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has some real stock image energy

storm jungle
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holy shit

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its Meat Loaf

astral whale
# near wasp First ive heard of that

There is a statue of him that keeps appearing on the Vengeful spirit. His soul, or at least part of it is forever trapped on the vengeful spirit. Horus's soul was completley destroyed hence why his clone was so shit at actually fighting and why statues of the warmaster don't appear across the ship.

near wasp
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Some of his soul clearly exists outside of the vengeful spirit as the sanginoir and mephiston exist

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Also the ship is named the vengeful spirit of course its haunted

green loom
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Rate this scheme?

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Woops intended for mini chat

signal bramble
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The custodes shame him for it regularly as well.

near wasp
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but yes if he didnt waste that time there father might not have been a vegetable

signal bramble
near wasp
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so if the emperor dies hell just give up on humanity?

odd palm
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If there’s something still to save? Gman will protect what little pocket remains, it’s just who he is

near wasp
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if terra were to fall i think ultramar would hold, at least for a while

odd palm
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Yeah, it’s quite well organised and I imagine somewhat self sufficient

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How long it holds depends on whether Guilliman is there to govern

near wasp
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i think gman has set a contingency in case he does die, the tetrarchs.

plush mason
odd palm
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Very true

heavy bison
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I have no idea if this comic is official or not, but its vcool. Inquisitor in Termie armor.

plush mason
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they can and do have power armor

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never seen full termi armor before but its not impossible afaik

brisk beacon
heavy bison
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IDK

signal bramble
heavy bison
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Inferno and Fallen are two of the titles

brisk beacon
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I like it we need more visual content for 40k

signal bramble
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Oh yeah She has a suit of terminator armor that she pilots like a mech suit.

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There’s a novel about her that’s out and she hasn’t given up on her plan.

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She wants to purge the Astartes. As in all of them.

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Every single one.

heavy bison
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My gurl just casually carrying two thunder hammers.

brisk beacon
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so shes a heretic not a loyalist?

signal bramble
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No she’s devoutly devoted to the emperor and imperium.

heavy bison
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No, She's a Puritan Inqusitor.

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Like Greyfax

signal bramble
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She thinks the Astartes are all secretly traitors and heretics.

green loom
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Oh wait someone already answered

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Yeah it's Sabbathiel, not to be confused with the one Slaaneshi sister everyone always brings up

heavy bison
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Mirathiel Sabbathiel, yeah. The Heretic Sororitas.

signal bramble
storm jungle
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based

signal bramble
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She got better though.

heavy bison
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Fair.

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I mean, I'd be mad too

green loom
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Anyone want to see a
Marine scheme whatthefuck_heresy

heavy bison
plush mason
heavy bison
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Unless I missed something.

plush mason
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i was joking btw. unless said joke turns out to be true lol

plush mason
signal bramble
signal bramble
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In her novel Awakenings she outright says she wants to get rid of the space marines.

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All of them.

heavy bison
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Ah

green loom
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The Custodes would like her

plush mason
signal bramble
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It’s very unambiguous what she wants.

heavy bison
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Afaik there has been one other Relic Hunter Inquisitor in Termie armor. So its possible, just super rare.

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Power Armor is a bit more common for the Ordos.

plush mason
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yeah i imagine one needs an insane amount of pull with the admech to get a suit of termi armor made for a normal human

signal bramble
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Her armor is destroyed in the novel

plush mason
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rip

heavy bison
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I think its fundamentally the same, just probably like, with extra internals to let a human interface with the armor.

plush mason
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yeah

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and likely fully robotic arms and legs

signal bramble
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She pilots the termi like a mech suit

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Her arms and legs are normal

plush mason
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i meant for the suit

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because she is smaller than a space marine

green loom
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Termie armour was adapted for marine use

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Wouldn't be shocking if the Admech had some older schematics that inquisitors could requisition provided sufficient pull

plush mason
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yeah

heavy bison
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its why I kind of don't agree with the claims that termie armor would require a weird body shape to operate. Its much easier if you suspend your disbelief that their hands and feet don't reach all the way to the hands and feet of the armor.

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After all, it wouldn't be much of a walking tank if you had a small ammount of armor around your fingers, first big explosion you otherwise shrug off would just mangle your hands.

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So I figure the extremeties are slightly fly-by-wire

near wasp
thick cedar
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What would happen if terra falls

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I know that likely means the emperor is gone because of the golden throne explosion killing perpetuals

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Can we also talk about how weird of a failsafe that is

balmy abyss
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shrug

thick cedar
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Chair stops working. Destroy earth

balmy abyss
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Like the Emperor would physically die. But other than that, who knows.

thick cedar
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Would warp travel even be possible anymore

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Doesnt the emperor act as beacons or something

balmy abyss
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Again who knows. Trillions upon trillions of lives would be lost but again it is up in the air on this one. Emperor would likely be reborn in some manner.

arctic talon
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And there are alternative ways to make a beacon

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They’re just worse

thick cedar
balmy abyss
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but GW wont just say goodbye to the Imperium. It is basically saying "Lets destroy more than half the playable factions in the game."

arctic talon
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If anything they’re gona have 99% of imperium nihlus get eaten up

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It’s already got huge chunks under chaos control

balmy abyss
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even that I am not sure about that

arctic talon
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Tbh

thick cedar
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Heres a more interesting question. Where would the story go if the emperor came back but stronger because all the sacrifises

arctic talon
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He already is “back”

thick cedar
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I doubt hed make more primarchs since that blew up spectacularly in his face

copper patrol
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something equally bullshit would happen but on the other side

arctic talon
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^

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Also that

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GW likes trying to maintain a balance of power

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At least visually

thick cedar
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Does 40k have an everchosen or is that just a fantasy thing

arctic talon
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Abbadon

copper patrol
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well

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he's like the equivalent

arctic talon
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Yeah

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He’s also technically less successful

thick cedar
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Unofficial everchosen?

copper patrol
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but I don't think there is a prophesized everchosen

arctic talon
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But chaos is way more self destructive in 40k lol

copper patrol
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where is the meme

arctic talon
storm jungle
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Yeah Abaddon is just the No.1 Champion

arctic talon
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^

storm jungle
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Archaon was literally chosen

arctic talon
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Memes aside Abbadon is decently successful

storm jungle
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like no joke from his birth his destiny was to destroy the world

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also yeah Abby is good

thick cedar
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Maybe we could do that. Emprah comes back. Goes goes "oh shit" and places all bets on abbadon

arctic talon
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Of the 13 black crusades, 11 of them achieved their goal

thick cedar
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Chaos goes*

arctic talon
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He wasn’t involved in 1

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And one of them he ran was an objective failure

storm jungle
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Abaddon also didnt even want to do much after the Siege

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it was everyone else telling him to take charge

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lmao

balmy abyss
# thick cedar Heres a more interesting question. Where would the story go if the emperor came...

I think someone will kill the Emperor in his current form. Trillions of psykers will die and the Emperor becomes a God like force almost equal to the 4 chaos gods individually. I suspect he will heal the tear in reality by closing the eye of terror. This wont eliminate Chaos incursions but will make it more difficult. This is based on the Emperors words through Gulliman. Returning balance to the physical and immaterium.

arctic talon
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Tbf he became a space marine hobo

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And started making moon shine

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Out of daemon juice

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And plasma

storm jungle
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literally

copper patrol
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that sounds

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pretty based

thick cedar
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Doesnt abbadon also just see chaos as a means to an end and not the goal?

copper patrol
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tbh

storm jungle
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my guy was just bing chilling

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also he does

storm jungle
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but like

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hes still a slave to darkness

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lmao

arctic talon
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He’s under the chaos gods sway

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Absolutely

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It’s the main reason why he isn’t a daemon prince

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He’s been offered ascension

storm jungle
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^

balmy abyss
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I cant stand Abbadon. Horrible villain.

copper patrol
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Slaves to darkness is a real good name with an unfortunate shortening

storm jungle
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if so yeah not the best route

copper patrol
thick cedar
copper patrol
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do both

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learn through memes

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then clarify the memes

storm jungle
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ME

arctic talon
balmy abyss
arctic talon
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Psykers tend to uh

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Not do well when even small localized things go boom

copper patrol
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die randomly

arctic talon
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like astropathic choirs

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Those usually cause quite a few deaths

balmy abyss
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have to think of how many are connected to the Emperor through the warp just for travel alone

arctic talon
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If they suddenly go boom

storm jungle
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The Emperor is gonna release another psyker nerf

arctic talon
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Lol

storm jungle
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and 90% of the psyker main population will explode

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ingenius plan imo

copper patrol
storm jungle
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Im telling you guys

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Big E couldnt kill horus right away because of those patchnotes

thick cedar
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Would the eldar be like "not this shit again"

balmy abyss
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I first feel like though the Imperium will divide.

thick cedar
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Im curious about that too

balmy abyss
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The Primarchs will divide the Imperium

storm jungle
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the Imperium's eventual fate is to basically splinter

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because its main problem has always been a lack of central control

copper patrol
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question is

thick cedar
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I heard the imperium has different ideas than the emperor himself

copper patrol
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will if ever happen in the story

arctic talon
copper patrol
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becuase gw

storm jungle
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Basically yes

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but like

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at least in 10 IRL years or so

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give or take

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lmao

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because they will slowly bring every primarch back

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because money

balmy abyss
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But I think Chaos will struggle as well and that is why I feel like the Emperor will become almost God like and with his absence there will be a vaccuum politically

thick cedar
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A bigger succ than slaanesh

storm jungle
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My brain is gonna struggle handling all that imperium biased writing

arctic talon
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Vashtorr ironically got a half W

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At the end of arks of omen

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He didn’t get the final piece to ascend to godhood

balmy abyss
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Vashtorr > runaway Abbadon

arctic talon
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But he’s prolly one of the strongest minor chaos gods now

thick cedar
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Abbadon? More like Abandon

copper patrol
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where is my 40k hashut

arctic talon
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Like prolly on par with the funny raptor god

arctic talon
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I want more minor warp gods

copper patrol
balmy abyss
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I get butt hurt, throw irreplaceable space relic into planet

arctic talon
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We have vashtor

storm jungle
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its not a butthurt

arctic talon
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We have the raptor god

storm jungle
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he did literally the smartest thing

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the eye of terror was shrinking

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and the fortress was useless

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lmao

arctic talon
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We have uhhh

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That’s literally it

storm jungle
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Also wow

arctic talon
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It’s literally just the raptor god and vashtor

storm jungle
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mentioning the raptor god

arctic talon
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I guess Malal

storm jungle
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that mfer is older than most of this server

arctic talon
copper patrol
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a bunch of the more blessed CSM started to freak the fuck out as well right

arctic talon
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Yeah

storm jungle
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EYY

arctic talon
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Or just drop dead lol

copper patrol
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when the eye started to close

balmy abyss
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I would really want to see Ynnari have better success

thick cedar
arctic talon
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Abbadon made the best of a bad situation

arctic talon
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Thank fuck

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The ending with the sword is in slaanesh’s palace

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Was dumb

balmy abyss
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yeah

storm jungle
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Gav Thorpe should uh

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fall down some stairs

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in minecraft

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👀

arctic talon
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He just shouldn’t write for eldar

balmy abyss
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it was really just an "Oh well, cant win now"

arctic talon
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There’s better eldar writers

storm jungle
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or Salamanders

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or Dark Angels

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especially not DA

arctic talon
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Also

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They did the impossible

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They made The Lion have personality

thick cedar
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So fan wise how would people react to the emperor making a full return?

storm jungle
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yes

arctic talon
copper patrol
storm jungle
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also all the imperial fans would hype

arctic talon
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The emperor coming back ruins the setting imo

storm jungle
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because they are as easy to impress as kidnergardeners

arctic talon
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The imperium is supposed to be in constant decline

storm jungle
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people like us would hate it

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because its stupid

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pretty much that

arctic talon
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The emperor would be the opposite of that

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And make no sense

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And before you mention the primarchs coming back

balmy abyss
thick cedar
arctic talon
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The imperium is still in decline

storm jungle
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Also yeah like

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people have this perception

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that Guilliman is fixing the imperium

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hes not

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lmao

thick cedar
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No crevasses for it to hide

arctic talon
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It doesn’t matter Bobby G and Johnson are coming back

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They can’t do shit

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Long term

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They can try their best

storm jungle
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yeah the Imperium is basically far gone

arctic talon
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But the imperium is still falling down

storm jungle
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the most likely scenario is the Imperium splintering

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and it becoming basically just THE holy roman empire

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with warlord states/planets

thick cedar
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Whags guliman doing then

storm jungle
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trying his best

thick cedar
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Whats*

arctic talon
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Trying his best

storm jungle
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LMAO

arctic talon
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Jinx

storm jungle
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jinx

arctic talon
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Honestly

copper patrol
balmy abyss
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The Imperium is just too vast for them to handle. That is why I feel like the Imperium will divide

arctic talon
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He tried

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He failed overall

storm jungle
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Yeah the Imperium's fate is to be splintered basically. Its way too segregated.

arctic talon
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But he stopped the whole imperium from collapsing so

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Meh

thick cedar
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Didnt they already set that up with the destruction of cadia causing that rift?

arctic talon
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No

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The imperium was on the way to splinter

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Pre Cadia

balmy abyss
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Gullieman just put a bandaid on a seeping wound

storm jungle
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Yep

copper patrol
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they physically splintered it with Cadia

arctic talon
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The fall of Cadia has just accelerated it

storm jungle
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Said wound is also heavily infected

thick cedar
balmy abyss
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You can see him struggling trying to keep things together on his own though

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why I love how he is written

storm jungle
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Hes basically you after an entire week x 100

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this is him rn

arctic talon
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The imperium is hemorrhaging blood

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And all guilliman has

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Are bandaids

balmy abyss
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He is not just a bland character

copper patrol
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is a hello kitty bandaid

storm jungle
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not even flextape

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thats dark age tech

thick cedar
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GORILLA GLUE WILL SAVE THE IMPERIUM

arctic talon
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Lol

storm jungle
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I have used Gorilla Glue its pretty good

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just dont get it on your fingers

arctic talon
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I love how the imperium stabs itself in the leg constantly

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And now the nids are coming

balmy abyss
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Emperor will become a god > Imperium splinters without his physical presence > Chaos is weaken by the Emperors new power > Imperium is weaken by its new divisions (brother vs brother) Old ideology vs new.

vale shuttle
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if the emperor ever 'returns' he should immediately ascend into humanity's chaos god, like slaanesh was for the eldar, and make everything worse in the long run just like he ruined the galaxy in life

arctic talon
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Also yeah

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If the emperor ascends

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It’s gona suck lol

vale shuttle
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anyway i gotta go for like, 10-15 minutes i'll enjoy the 100 messages i'll come back to

arctic talon
#

Slaanesh is technically an eldar god

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The emperor would prolly end up the same way

balmy abyss
languid salmon
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I would say the 10th edition trailer does a good job of showing the state of the imperium. on the outside it looks like its making a comeback despite the galaxy being ripped in two. but it reality its just putting out fires that keep popping up and is struggling to keep it together, and despite all their efforts its still getting pushed back

storm jungle
#

Yeah i do appreciate how guilliman literally goes

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"ITS ALL FUCKED, SOMEONE HELP AAAA"

arctic talon
#

victory

storm jungle
#

meanwhile the fanbase:

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"No guys Guilliman is fixing the Imperium! Everyone is gonna be happy!"

arctic talon
storm jungle
#

yeah say that to all the Atoman hivers who are all poxwalkers

languid salmon
#

Guilliman is slowing down the inevitable and is doing a good job of it considering what he is up against but again he's only slowing it down

arctic talon
#

Anyways I can’t wait for another admech forgeworld to get blown up in a campaign supplement

storm jungle
#

LEL

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i for one welcome our new creative-mode overlords

arctic talon
#

Admech and Sisters of battle are GW’s punching bag to show the imperium can lose

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Just like how Eldar and Nids are GW’s punching bag

languid salmon
#

I'm just waiting to see how long before hivefleet leviathan gets defeated by random nonsense again

arctic talon
#

Just in general

balmy abyss
#

Orks

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just more Orks thrown at nids

languid salmon
arctic talon
#

Guard win more then they lose

#

In their own codex

storm jungle
languid salmon
#

fair

storm jungle
#

then you will be footnotes in white dwarf articles

arctic talon
#

Admech and sisters of battle

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Are like

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At a 30% win rate in their own codex

languid salmon
storm jungle
#

İ agree tbh

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it just sucks

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lmao

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literally anyone that isnt chaos gets thrown under the bus constantly lore wise

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I get why they use chaos the most as villains since they are the Decepticons of the setting

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but come on man

languid salmon
#

still mad the 9th edition codex for tyranids had so little lore. their codex is the only place you really get any lore for them

storm jungle
#

yeah uh

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i think literally almost every 9th codex basically had no lore

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lmao

arctic talon
#

9e codex’s 💀

storm jungle
#

Like

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they blamed covid for the most part

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but even AFTER that it was just recycled upon recycled lore from the previous codexes

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its so fucking lazy

languid salmon
#

yeah

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on another note I do find it funny how the few time tyranids win in their codex its often against chaos

storm jungle
#

Tyranids' shitty part is they always win off screen

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"Oh my god the nids killed"

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checks notes

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"Libeterminators Successor Chapter"

storm jungle
#

THEY WERE TAKEN FROM US SO SOON

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THEY HAD UH

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1 SENTENCE OF LORE IN THE LEXICANUM

arctic talon
#

Lol

storm jungle
#

ok im done sorry lmao

languid salmon
#

well there was that time the tyranids wiped out a iron warriors fortress because the iron warriors definition of enough ammo to last a decade was used up in a week against the hive fleet

storm jungle
#

literally trolled

arctic talon
#

Average tyranid W

storm jungle
#

and hivepilled

arctic talon
#

Should have packed more ammo

storm jungle
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they didnt call in enough supply pods

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typical management moment

languid salmon
#

same thing happend to the imperial fist except the fist actually had enough ammo

vale shuttle
# balmy abyss I dont think things will be worse, I feel like he wont really improve humanities...

i dont think there's any reason to assume the imperium would walk away even in a neutral position. when slaanesh was born it had claim over all the eldar souls because they birthed it. if the emperor was to ascend then the resulting chaos god would have domain over all human souls because they birthed it. and if the emperor ascended humanity's chaos god would be god of fear, hatred, and ignorance.

the only thing i dont think would happen is the immediate slurp of human souls, bec ause humans are weaker in the warp than eldar. i bet humans would, isntead, just go to the new chaos god after death

balmy abyss
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To me the Emperor is a symbol of hope to the people of the Imperium. A protector, father like figure.

placid crown
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Is a shield + weapon combo a possible future addition for non-ogryn classes?

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I don't know if that exists in 40k

balmy abyss
#

in death you serve the Emperor still

balmy abyss
#

although I think they were sort of written out of most 9th edition codexes

signal bramble
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In the lion book it’s stated that if the emperor’s physical body dies it’s going to unleash something absurdly powerful in the warp.

crisp heath
#

I think we're also forgetting that warp gods aren't necessarily chaos and aren't necessarily bad for their species

languid salmon
# storm jungle they did

yep. there was also an incident for the night lords that were torturing astropaths to lure imperial ships to their doom, only to attract hive fleet kronos which proceeded to force them into a retreat and losing their base

crisp heath
#

Like it'd be bad if Emps became a god, but I doubt he'd just eat every human soul slaanesh style

balmy abyss
languid salmon
placid crown
# balmy abyss Crusaders

Hmm, reading on crusaders it seems they use a storm shield, which from what I gathered is sized for space marines

vale shuttle
# balmy abyss To me the Emperor is a symbol of hope to the people of the Imperium. A protector...

yeah the eldar gods were symbols of hope for the aeldari. that didn't stop the eldar from being vored.

the imperium is a giant empire that worships fear, hate, and ignorance. those are the three primary things that the imperium engages in. every single imperial citizen, from the lowliest servitor to the highest cutsodian, engage in at least one of these three things constantly. and they are negative things, they are taken to the extreme and they are constant. just like the aeldari empire and its worship of excess and hedonism.

the imperium is no different. it's a giant empire that worships a few specific, negative emotions. the warp entity it births will not be pleasant, it will be cruel and hostile, just as the imperium has been cruel and hostile for ten thousand years.

signal bramble
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But I’m inclined to believe it.

balmy abyss
crisp heath
#

Yeah I think they're going to actually do something with the emperor pretty soon, although "pretty soon" in GW terms could easily be 10 years

vale shuttle
#

alright

balmy abyss
balmy abyss
signal bramble
#

Fulgrim is next. That much is true.

balmy abyss
#

yeah agreed

signal bramble
#

After him idk.

balmy abyss
#

be interesting to see Dorn return. The golden son

crisp heath
#

They brought back the Star Child but now they're implying its not the emperor so who knows where that's going

balmy abyss
#

then there is the Dark King

signal bramble
#

The star child story in the Dawn of Fire? I think it’s going to end up with the star child dying or disappearing and the status quo safely maintained.

crisp heath
#

Yeah that was the one I was talking aboug

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Honestly I'd like the Sensei/Star Child plotline to be revived because I want to see them interact with primarchs

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Imagine the blow to Guilliman's ego when he finds out Emps has real sons out there and they're cooler than him

placid crown
#

Can't imagine the emperor having actual kids if they're not a part of his plans

thick cedar
#

does this still happen?

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guardsman being executed for seeing a daemon?

balmy abyss
#

it varies from writer to writer. Usually Guardsmen tend not to live long enough to get back home and tell others what they see. And if that was true, Cadia would have been vaporized eons ago

summer rover
#

most regiments simply run through attrition so fast they don't get the chance. the atoman 6th are apparantly friggin' hardasses because we've got the whole damn regiment coming back and joining a nurgle cult.

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guess there's a reason cadia fell.

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:3c

signal bramble
#

Finished listening to one of the warhammer crime short stories. Apparently there’s a planet that produces cigarettes for the guard. Their propaganda also talks about how healthy and beneficial smoking is. But only the smokes their planet produces.

crisp heath
#

Oh hey America did that

signal bramble
#

Their propaganda reels were also sponsored by the manufacturers of the cigarettes.

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The ending was especially funny.

crisp heath
#

I love whenever I see this referenced

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(for more context, Bull Durham was one of the companies owned by American Tobacco Company who marketed themselves on being healthy, other cigarettes as unhealthy, and basically controlled the US economy at one point)

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The New Albion Radio Hour also made a joke about with it's constant ads for "healthy Papaver Cigarettes" manufactured by the government, papaver being opium

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Anyway yeah that's just a little period of history I really, really enjoy seeing

versed ledge
#

Then again, we see hostile regulars with used bandages wrapped on their person

crystal forum
#

anybody got an image of the darktide leman russes

summer rover
#

from what we've seen they 1: have no surviving commisars, 2: came back to find the hive city both apathetic to their labors and in ruins, and 3: had a cult offering them a way to "fix" those problems.

balmy abyss
#

I almost themed my Guardsmen Regiment homeworld around a tobacco agricultural world. Decided against it though since it felt limiting in some ways and went with a world that produces organic and mechanical medical products. More following Organicists and Companions of Vogel rather than the Imperial Cult.

summer rover
#

you mean the dingy grey ones? lemme check

versed ledge
#

So the hive city hurt their feelings...

summer rover
#

nope, not yet. i'll go get a pic next time i play.

languid salmon
versed ledge
#

Yes! A mission where we finally get to kill a Commissar

languid salmon
#

the ogryns get upset fighting them because they like commissars

thick cedar
#

Imagine having diahrrea as a guardsman and the Commissar that doesnt like you uses it as an excuse to say youre cursed by nurgle and shoots you

languid salmon
#

probably a nicer way to die in the imperial guard considering what they are sent against

arctic talon
languid salmon
#

yeah exactly

summer rover
#

maybe he just killed his commisar and took their place.

#

i mean, the lack of hat is suspicious. chaos champions love them some fancy headwear.

arctic talon
#

He did however

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kill the regimental commander

summer rover
#

i've already become attached to my idea, so i'm discarding this information like fatshark discards the lessons from previous games.

arctic talon
#

Funny demolisher

summer rover
#

we got slaughtered, which is mostly my fault for not tossing a medkit down but we also had two psykers and nobody pinging anything.

#

oh, and three mutants at once, but they all focused on the zealot for whatever reason so it worked out there.

orchid lark
#

Im a Leman Russ Exterminator and Leman Russ Vanquisher kinda man

#

Love those variants the most

crisp heath
#

Honestly still think it's hilarious that traitor killed the Soul Drinkers, stole their armor, and went deep cover so long they forgot they were traitors

orchid lark
#

A sense of true self exists within the false self

summer rover
#

space marines and chaos marines do so much of the same stuff it's not hard.

#

"what are we doing today?"
"killing filthy xenos"
"right, right....for who?"
"for khorne, of course! you won't catch me screwing that up!"
"me either! for khorne!

open pumice
#

assault marine: "For the blood-"
Chaplain: "If you finish that sentence i legally have to shoot you"

undone zodiac
#

Yey 1d4chan is back online

#

Shitpost lore is whole again

orchid lark
#

Finally

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1d4chan has the lore accuracy of the Lexicanum but the humour of a friend

#

Love you original rhino model

undone zodiac
#

I really want to see exchange between lion, azrael and asmodai

crimson kayak
#

Btw, I just now considered how fucking op the Lion's Foreststalk is

orchid lark
#

Fastest travel method

thick cedar
#

Where is the emperors soul

#

Since hes a skeleton

#

Or is that like a warp fuckery thing where you just cant see it and dont think about it

orchid lark
#

he isnt a skeleton

#

he's an emaciated corpse on the throne

#

his soul shines bright and pretty for normal humans, so you kinda see a stunning golden god kinda thing

#

The Sisters of Silence sees the truth

#

a corpse of a giant man whose mouth is open in silent torment

thick cedar
#

Oh shit i forgot that

#

His special perception powers

#

So to everyone else hes still in his godlike form

crimson kayak
#

Yep

orchid lark
#

you know how in Evangelion

#

humans still got AT fields

thick cedar
#

AND IS THAT WHY THEYRE CALLED SISTERS OF SILENCE BECAUSW THEY VOWED SILENCE ON HIS TRUE FORM?

#

It makes sense bow

#

Now

#

Holy shit

crimson kayak
#

And he speaks like a cacophony of voices trying to literally not die while burning alive costantly

orchid lark
crimson kayak
orchid lark
#

they still speak

#

mostly like Sign Language

thick cedar
#

Aw

#

Thought i had a giga brain moment

orchid lark
#

new young sisters of silence speak for their elders when speaking to normal people

#

because no one else really knows the specific siggn language

thick cedar
orchid lark
#

except custodians

thick cedar
#

They should use text to speech

orchid lark
#

Space Marines understand like 10% of their sign language, because of their own battle sign language

orchid lark
#

Morse Code

thick cedar
#

That seems really roundabout

orchid lark
#

but it was easier to talk in the modified astartes sign language

#

Astartes Sign Language is single hand, so its very limited to battle talk essentially

#

Custodians who deploy with Sisters constantly

#

can easily speak to them

#

because they become so familiar with their hands that the slight twitch on a finger speaks volumes in tone for the custodian to understand

#

which is very romantically worded if you think about it

#

remembering short stories about a deaf girl who talked about how the hands of others made them more beautiful when they signed

thick cedar
#

In a summary, how do servitors and servo skulls work

orchid lark
#

human brain is modified to a computer

#

servo skulls are simple machines for the most part

thick cedar
#

How does it work as a workaround for ai

orchid lark
#

a human brain is doing the thinking more or less

#

like in Mass Effect where AI is banned, but neutered AI called Virtual Intelligiences are A-Okay

#

i mean AI still exists in the imperium like

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well

#

Machine Spirits are like

#

Ghosts in the Machines...?

#

they are cut from a bigger machine spirit?

#

they havent gone so far like Dune when it comes to hating AI thats for sure

#

where all forms of automated technology were banned

#

simple cogitators technically exist

#

with simple Machine Spirits attached to it

#

but some stuff for hard labour or complex dedicated computing might need a servitor body and brain to do like the work

#

important stuff or more fine tuned stuff would need a machine spirit of high quality

#

in some cases it could actually move the thing without a human supervisor

#

like the tank in Rynns World

storm jungle
#

drones arent self-aware or robots

crimson kayak
#

So you basically can give just the right amount of freedom to a servitor to do the task you ask him to do

#

Meanwhile an ai after a good bunch of time will inevitably become self aware and start asking things like rights and work ethic

#

Meanwhile most persons getting servitorized already lost their rights as they most surely did a good fuck-up or messed with the most wrong person you could... A member of the mechanicum

crimson kayak
#

Anyhow yeah, an ai becoming self aware it's not necessarily gonna mean skynet

#

As both Votann and Tau use them

orchid lark
#

AI can get infected with Chaos

#

But servitors cant which is weird

crimson kayak
orchid lark
#

Also the Imperium does have AI

#

Its just secret

#

Or really dumb dumb ones

#

Kastellans are kinda AI, no?

#

Also the Votanns themselves are advanced machinery that became advanced enough to become their own AI right?

celest dome
#

Basically there are AI, but they are kept hidden

orchid lark
#

Nevermind the Votann cores are just AI

#

Getting old tho

#

Poor things

#

Gotta clean the dust outta them and reboot their OS or something

crimson kayak
#

Itinerant Kastellans are Ai

#

Normal Kastellans use datasmith command disk

orchid lark
#

Much like now

#

AI bad

crystal forum
#

thanks for the images

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i'll have to modify some stuff to print it correctly

crimson kayak
near wasp
#

Thats just surface rust

placid crown
#

Think Darktide will mention the Lion? Or is the Lion re-awakening too far in the timeline

celest dome
#

Apparently it already does
And DT happen at the actual time

placid crown
#

Yooo what?

crimson kayak
#

Yeah darktide is set in current times

#

And the whole post guilliman primarch affair all happens in a relatively close time-span

#

Like, let's remember that most pre-primaris content was all packed together within the last few hundred years of M41

crimson kayak
orchid lark
#

its like the year 41,200 now right?

#

because Dante was mentioned to be like leading the blood angels for 1300 years at this point

#

or like 1200 years

crimson kayak
#

More or less yeah

#

Early M42

orchid lark
#

the dude is like 1500 years old as well (according to the warhammer community post)

green loom
#

He's old

#

BA have been nearly wiped out like 4 times in his lifespan

crimson kayak
#

Lexicanum says hes been leading for 1100 years

green loom
#

At least two of those were before he was captain

#

He's probably aged more than all the Heresy era traitors

orchid lark
#

then 1100 years as chapter master is correct

#

Lysander points out before he got abducted into the eye of terror at the end of M40 or beginning of M41, that Dante was still the Chapter Master of the blood angels

#

could you imagine being Lysander and coming back to the end of M41 and learning that Dante is still alive

green loom
#

"Alright so everyone's new, what about the Angels of Baal"
"Oh that's still Dante"
"Huh"

#

It'd be especially surprising because in that time the BA were nearly wiped out a few times lmao

orchid lark
#

"Poor bastard is in dreadnought, happens to the best."
"Nah he's still walking actually."

green loom
#

Though I guess Lysander would know about losing loads of people

#

Hasn't he gotten the entire 1st company killed like a dozen times?

crimson kayak
orchid lark
#

I feel like thats how blood angels have to get their chapter masters now

#

them and their successors

#

"You survived? congrats, we follow you now."

crimson kayak
#

chapter master dies

The captains: "So where we dropping boys"

orchid lark
#

"whoever pulls the short straw is the chapter master now."

#

Malakim Phoros to himself in the empty council room.

crimson kayak
#

Lol

crystal forum
#

space marine age is funny

#

it's regularly stated that they can live forever if they don't die in battle

#

some space marines are thousands of years old and don't act like it

#

meanwhile that guy from the first horus heresy books that was present when the luna wolves were founded acts like a senile old man

pseudo depot
#

I think biologically they’re functionally immortal outside of being killed, not so much mentally

#

Think of how many dreadnoughts are a little off their rocker

crystal forum
#

it's surprising that primarchs can act sane after being in the imperium for 10 thousand years lol

near wasp
#

Lol was about to correct you

vale shuttle
#

all the primarchs fucked off or were put asleep tho

#

so none of them have been in the imperium for 10k years

crystal forum
#

emperor probably has superhuman brain stuff going on so him living more than 40 thousand years makes sense

vale shuttle
#

the emperor is a perpetual so he cant be killed in a conventional manner

crystal forum
#

kinda funny that everybody saw the emperor and never asked themselves if he's even human

near wasp
#

They clearly did, they think hes a god

crystal forum
#

well that's after the great crusades mostly

near wasp
#

But there were still worshippers in the days of the crusade, they were just more lowkey

orchid lark
#

Back then it was just like

#

Oh hes a super psyker

#

Thats cool

#

I think the emperor himself is lowkey about his immortality

#

He hid it for like what

#

50+ thousand years before he nearly got killed by horus

crystal forum
#

would it be that surprising if he turns out to be some kind of ancient ones creation

near wasp
#

It would make him like 60million years old

crystal forum
#

we don't even know his actual age

green loom
crystal forum
#

he could be like a primordial human in the same way that krorks were super orks

coarse pumice
#

The Emperor was from Anatolia right?

#

And looked normal

crystal forum
#

who knows man. half the emperor's backstory is speculation from the community inspired by 20 year old lore

coarse pumice
#

With the shaman ritual thing

#

But the emperor being from ages past while also being inhumanly huge doesn’t make sense

celest dome
crystal forum
balmy abyss
#

Like the mother of the primarchs was relatively new for instance. The lore surrounding the Emperor is not vivid

#

And ceceptable to change

crystal forum
#

official wise i don't think GW even has a clue on emperor's origin. it's purposefully vague

coarse pumice
#

The main thing to take away that if the emperor was around for a lot of history, he wouldn’t have been inhumanly large

crystal forum
#

the emperor's size itself is something that doesn't stay consistent either lol

balmy abyss
crystal forum
#

i've seen a theory that explains it by his latent psyker abilities to project himself as the size that suits the situation

coarse pumice
#

It makes more sense he started as normal size and the ‘big’ one is either illusion or he just grew himself big with powers

#

or not his main body

crystal forum
#

it's funny to me that his lore is so vague that we don't even know what he actually looks like

#

for some reason artists like giving him long black hair

orchid lark
#

The closest official canon stuff is that he was from a pre-hittite tribe in Anatolia

#

Around 10000or something BC

#

its kinda confirmed that Ollanius is older than the Emperor too

#

thats all we have honestly

#

and its better than the old one theories

#

because 40k would just be the old ones vs everyone the story

#

kinda meh

#

the Shaman stuff was kinda weaksauce to me too

#

I like the more swords and sandals conan origin

#

where he just became who he is because he avenged his dad because his uncle killed him

#

also I like that stuff more because it would tie in nicely for him to suddenly like the primarchs, because for all we know, those kids were his only family left

#

(ignoring Erda, Ollanius, and the other Perpetuals, who he hung out with for even longer time)

#

The Emperor's life makes for a good tragedy

green loom
#

Guess being an ass comes with being perpetual

#

At least Olly wanted nothing but to chill and grill on a farm

orchid lark
#

Olly also had no powers

#

he just was a perpetual

#

couldnt really like, pull a masters of disguise shtick like the Emperor

crystal forum
orchid lark
#

lotta folks dont like the Primarchs or Emperor stuff to be too human tho

#

I like it more like that, its like Greek Pantheon Hubris

#

deep down The Emperor is always what he kinda claims

#

he is just a Man.

crystal forum
#

im conflicted

#

he clearly isn't a regular man

#

but i don't want him to be this mastermind of a being that planned everything all along

orchid lark
#

he definitely wasnt mastermind, he isnt you know like the other god emperor

#

He isnt Leto the 2nd

green loom
#

He sees possible futures and fumbles trying to achieve them

#

iirc

orchid lark
#

who Leto or Emps?

green loom
#

Emps

crystal forum
#

what would make him a man is him making mistakes

orchid lark
#

oh yeah for sure

#

Leto succeeded, but he knew the price

#

Emperor didnt like the price but knew the sacrifice needed

#

he's definitely someone who does his best to mitigate losses whilst piling potential issues

#

in his efforts to become distanced from his own humanity to save humanity in general, he became more grounded in his own humanity without realising it

#

but then at some point he discarded it and became the symbol needed

#

there is a really well written story there somewhere im sure

crystal forum
#

i think the theory that he planned for horus to rebel so he could become a god ignores the fact that he felt utterly betrayed and hesitated during his final battle

#

it just makes the entire horus heresy feel empty

orchid lark
#

yeah and its also just bad and kinda self centered

#

which isnt really like the Emperor in a weird way

#

he couldve become god at any point

#

if all he needed was to just like siphon energy from somewhere

#

hell he wouldve done it before the Dark Age of Technology

crystal forum
#

yeah

orchid lark
#

He cant express it and probably wont express it

#

but the dude loves humanity

crystal forum
#

yet he put his artificial sons before it

orchid lark
#

again, if the last time he had family was at 8000 bc

#

and he had to kill his uncle

#

I think I would also mentally change when I finally have family again

#

but also, fuck him for not caring about his perpetual friends I guess tf

#

like youve hung out with them for literally tens of thousands of years

#

Erda and Olly had been with him since 5000 bc

#

Well Olly left at some point because of the tower of Babel shit or something

crystal forum
#

well if he hasn't seen them in tens of thousands of years

orchid lark
#

well Erda was with him for the longest time for sure up until the beginning of the great crusade because of you know what

#

but he was nice enough to let her go unharmed

#

and not bother her for a few centuries

#

youd think he would call her up and say shit like "uh so yeah, half of our sons went bat shit, you got any mind codes embedded in them I could say to switch them off?"

crystal forum
#

lol a primarch kill switch

orchid lark
#

i mean itd be smart to do

#

if from the get go

#

they wanted the primarchs to die when they were done

#

its not like the Emperor and Erda actually wanted to keep them alive till the end right

#
  • Malcador to Valdor in some dingy part of the palace
#

Malcador - Trust me Constantin, Emperor has a plan to kill them off after the crusade.
Valdor - You sure?
Malcador - He wouldnt lie to me or you, we're like his bestest of bestest best friends.

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Malcador - There's like only what 20 of them, and like ten thousand of you Custodians. Easy fight no problem.

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Emperor - Good News everyone, I've succeeded in making my sons warp forged.

crystal forum
orchid lark
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they wouldve used it

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with that said

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Perturabo and Magnus wouldve learned and found out they had a kill switch in their brains

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seeing as how intelligent they were

green loom
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Magnus might not have

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Though seeing as Corvus managed to figure things out pretty alright

crimson kayak
crimson kayak
orchid lark
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Good News Everyone, we're heading to space now.

crimson kayak
sharp grove
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Is there an equivalent to a photo camera device in 40K? Or is that heresy

signal bramble
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And when they were scattered, Amar Astarte tried to destroy all the Astartes tech because she was too afraid of what would happen happen to the legions without them.

signal bramble
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Often loaded in to servo skulls.

orchid lark
sharp grove
orchid lark
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but its nice to think that Erda wouldve been a good influence on them for sure

signal bramble
signal bramble
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So I believe it.

orchid lark
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the primarchs are different types of monsters

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Astartes are pushovers for sure to the custodians

crimson kayak
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+the rest of united humanity considering he would dispose of them at the end of the crusade

coarse pumice
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the more human space marines etc from legacy fluff were better writing

orchid lark
signal bramble
storm jungle
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who were just psychopaths

orchid lark
storm jungle
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fr fr

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They literally bust down and arrest space punks at parties

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I WONDER WHAT THE BRITISH WRITERS WERE TRYING TO CONVEY HERE

signal bramble
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Big E always planned on getting rid of the marines eventually. But that wouldn’t have happened any time soon. Even if he’d conquered the galaxy, he’d have to deploy the space marines in the webway while also containing things like the Orks and such.

orchid lark
storm jungle
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that too

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"We must protect our IP"

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also steals everything from other IPs

signal bramble
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I really want to get that arbites kill team at some point. I think they’re awesome. Haha.

storm jungle
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Exaction squads ARE the goat

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i think their box went extinct in like 2-3 hours

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lmao

coarse pumice
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There was a period between rogue trader and second edition

storm jungle
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those marines were even worse

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tho marines are bad in any itteration

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down with em

coarse pumice
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The original ultramarines article

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Where macragge was a dust world that harvested space shrimp

storm jungle
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If you go on another trip down memory lane I swear-

coarse pumice
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The Tyranid war was still there though

orchid lark
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The old 40k stuff was mid, even during that time.

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They were just having fun tho

crimson kayak
orchid lark
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I respect that

coarse pumice
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So that was their thing, fighting tyranids

storm jungle
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An elegant setting, for a more civilized age

orchid lark
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Space Biker Dwarves

coarse pumice
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Though I always thought the bits they did about the HH time as more interesting than what the novels brought

summer rover
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is anything as warhammer as a dude with a beard and a powr axe gunning people down on a motorcycle while hurling curses about their whole bloodline?

orchid lark
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you liked the barebone stuff, as opposed to the fleshed out lore theyve written

coarse pumice
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I guess so