40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

Nothing so far

they are just mining

and killing

thats pretty much it, their only lore is on their first ever codex

[green loom]

Ah Votann, the greatest GW meme

I'm betting they're going to pop out of nowhere and re-destroy Caliban

Because "fancy metulz expensive"

[storm jungle]

Lmao

but yeah they basically have nothing atm and their popularity is only kept afloat by DRG.

They are good but they need time to grow

[green loom]

Hopefully they're treated more like an AoS faction

Because AoS tends to do fineish with new stuff and integrating them

[storm jungle]

yeah and they can deffo use some novels

good thing the Lion release has showed us GW still doesn't care more about any faction that isnt Space Marines considering his fucking book was written like 1-2 years prior apparently

[green loom]

Still shocks me how.... Not badly AoS goes meanwhile 40k is just a cesspit

[meager zinc]

Itd be cool if the votann like "dig and mine" the warp or something.

[green loom]

You mean like the Skaven in AoS?

[meager zinc]

Sure

[green loom]

Dunno how it'd work

[meager zinc]

They just look like normal mines but with pink warp energy as walls lol

"wait you actually just mine the warp?" -the imperium

[green loom]

Yeah but how do they get there

[meager zinc]

You dig into space, dummy

[odd palm]

Of course

It's so obvious

[meager zinc]

I mean theres a whole warp tear across the whole galaxy, just get in there and start digging

[odd palm]

We'll send in the Votann first, if they don't return as chaos dwarfs then we send in the bois

[meager zinc]

Im stoked to see what chaos dorfs will look like

[green loom]

Big hats with bigger guns

[meager zinc]

Kirby when he gains that spikey power

But like... What do votann bring to the table(top) that the space marines dont? Like whats their whole gimmick?

Theyre more???? tanky than mankind????

[green loom]

They're squats

That's about it

Apparently they were horribly broken on launch

[plush mason]

well they bring a whole new playable faction that isnt part of the imperium afaik

[odd palm]

They are neutral faction in the setting

[plush mason]

they are listed as a xeno army lol

[crystal forum]

you cannot balance dwarfs

they are too strong for any meta

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-warcraft-chad-repost-if-dwarf-chad-gif-21569293

[green loom]

Man the Grand Alliance system would work so well for 40k

[meager zinc]

So should i just think of em as short space marines?

[green loom]

Grand Alliance: Imperium, Chaos and Xenos

[crystal forum]

i'd kill for an epic warhammer game for 40k

[meager zinc]

Id kill for a 40k: new vegas type fps rpg 😦

[green loom]

It would suck

[meager zinc]

Damn man it doesnt even exist and right out the gate your giving it thumbs down on steam

[green loom]

I don't have unreasonable expectations, I'd still play it

[crystal forum]

brotherhood of steel remove their constumes and reveal that they were 40k space marines this whole time

(except even space marines have more nuance than brotherhood of steel)

[meager zinc]

Well how about a gta style 40k game where you play as a inquisitor haahahhaa so dumb

[crystal forum]

papers please but as a 40k administrator

reject everything

[meager zinc]

Gta 40k: Pull imperial citizens out of their "cars" GTFO IM AN INQUISITOR as you chase? Heretics

[storm jungle]

AoS basically benefits from the case that it doesnt have 30 fucking years of bloat.

Also theres no "main faction" every faction gets their time in the splotlight and theres virtually no favoritism.

Even Stormcast who are the posterboys dont get constant updates

Also you get Shaolin Vampires fighting Khornate Furries, if that isnt awesome i dont know what is

[brisk beacon]

gw needs to release some new books about the jagahtadi khan and his gang ridin bikes n shi

[plush mason]

not all SMs do lol

[crystal forum]

yeah some do bad decisions 😱

[plush mason]

some chapters are every bit as 1 dimensional as the brotherhood

[crystal forum]

oh you're talking about space marines

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Horrifically broken is an understatment

in tests between pro players on tabletop simulator

They had like a 70% WR

against every army tested

they'd just blow you off the board turn 1

and if they didn't blow you off the board their primary transport was filled with one of the most efficient melee units in the game

also if you destroyed their stuff they got to kill you more easily

[storm jungle]

Yeah they basically got nerfed to the shadow-realm

as a person that doesnt like dwarf fans it was pretty funny

[arctic talon]

They're still very strong lol

[storm jungle]

good thing i dont play tabletop

[arctic talon]

lol

[crystal forum]

i will play tabletop once i print an army

and i'll have a fucking baneblade

[placid crown]

What's the deal with Morrow being involved in so many conflicts? Are they several conflicts spread throughout a long period of time and rejuvenate would let him actually have been a part?

Or is it just propaganda/exaggerations because he's a high ranking officer

[crimson kayak]

Several spread out conflicts and getting stuck in warp travel makes concepts like "age" and "time" more like suggestions.

Also probably exaggerated by the people who heard it

[spare quartz]

I would expect rumors like him being involved in the likes of the Badab War to be just that - rumors, but I would also expect there to be a core of truth to them

[summer rover]

he probably encourages them, to keep it hazy on just how much of a hardass he is.

[spare quartz]

Exactly

[orchid lark]

Itd be funny if his dad looked just like him so its just the same looking dude with the same name

[spare quartz]

Or a Dread Pirate Roberts situation

[hallow saddle]

Dorfs

also Badab war was in the last 100 years of M41, even if it seems longer ago than that, so it's kind of plausible

[crimson kayak]

Yep, also the age as been said to be due to the warp travel incident

[storm jungle]

My favorite one has to be this

where someone says Morrow was in Maccragge, and the Cadian goes

[fierce pendant]

List of places with confirmed Morrow's presence so far:

[storm jungle]

We goin' on the deep end here boys and girls

[crimson kayak]

Imagine if it's actually gonna be fucking ollanious in disguise again

[cerulean wagon]

I heard he's got necron implants

[crystal forum]

he personally fetched coffee for commissar yarrick

[summer rover]

I heard one of the techs say his first name's Alpharius....

[dry epoch]

I WROTE THAT LINE

[storm jungle]

OH MY GOD I THOUGHT ABNETT DID

[dry epoch]

😄

[storm jungle]

ITS SUCH A CORNY JOKE I LOVE IT

[dry epoch]

Nope, definitely one of mine! 🙂

I still get so excited when I see/hear one of my lines

[storm jungle]

The "banter" between the characters is not too good but the lines themselves even seperated into their own thing are amazing most of the time

[fierce pendant]

Sucks that sometimes even the "orders" from whoever is handler for the mission sometimes just don't match the team that's in the mission

Team of 4 ogryns going on the smelter mission and during elevator section Hadron starts talking to them about percentages and fuckin calculation of possible victory

while the 4 ogryns are like

Only to in another game have hadron speak to a 4 stack of veterans or psykers as if they were fucking ogryns

lines good, banter system bad

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically this is my problem with it.

Its VERY artifical, they don't have conversations, they just reply with a voiceline from a chosen "pool" of responses.

[storm jungle]

Its even more glaring when some of the personalities have ACTUAL conversations that are cool and funny and last like 7 lines max. Compared to the base game where its just 3 lines from 2-3 characters who sometimes act like they aren't even listening to each other.

Its incredibly glaring when its the mission handlers too where their replies are made to be INCREDIBLY loose to obviously answer any voiceline the reject in question might say

[summer rover]

or end up making no sense in relation to the actual voicelines they respond to. there's kind of a lot of handler voice lines (misouzi in particular) where her replies to the professional's comments come off as nonsensical.

[storm jungle]

Its like you should have pre-set characters instead or something.

[summer rover]

fatshark's strong suit was using the banter to keep things fresh, but CaC's don't let you do that. unfortunately, the bulk of the fanbase REALLY wanted their own character creation.

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats basically the only reason

its good at the start but then you just get nostalgic like me and remember why pre-set characters are so memorable in comparison

https://tenor.com/view/left4dead2-gif-26266087

COUGH

[summer rover]

lol, had to go to 2 because even we know lois is bland as shit

[storm jungle]

Nah Louis is good

but hes deffo not amazing, hes just the go-lucky stressed guy of the group

https://tenor.com/view/francis-left4dead-francis-left4dead-l4d-l4d2-gif-22823864

[pseudo depot]

My character is unique because I’m one of the select elite few with the book club portrait frame

[astral whale]

@storm jungle

[green loom]

What's the lore behind this

[orchid lark]

Emperor and Erda 4000 BC

[topaz gate]

How did the Lion come back anyway? I know how Guilliman came back but not Lion

[green loom]

He woke up from his old man nap

[signal bramble]

Per the book, ||he literally just woke up one day.||

And ||his new forest walk ability is apparently some kind of weird power he now has to fast travel to where he wants to go and has something to do with the watchers and old Caliban and his psyche.||

[green loom]

40k Giles
40k Giles
40k Giles

[crimson kayak]

||Wich is funny if you consider that unless it's some sort of pocket warp/webway portal it introduces a third, unnamed other power/dimension of old ones making in the mix||

[signal bramble]

I’m nearly done with the new lion audiobook. I’ve got about 30~ minutes of it left.

[astral whale]

Probably just a form of teleportation. I mean if I remember the lore correctly psychic powers can vary drastically from Psyker to Psyker. How would the Lion be any different? Perhaps during his long sleep he dreamed of Caliban’s forests and gained the ability to return to that dream temporarily as a means of transportation.

That’s just my interpretation at least.

[crimson kayak]

considering what happens in son of the forest it's highly unlikely as it has actual things inside, it's not just a transitory space

[astral whale]

You’re telling me a transitory space within the warp cannot have its own denizens?

[crimson kayak]

i don't consider it transitory for the simple reason he can stay there and bring people with him for as long as he likes

because technically that would mean every part of the warp/webway is just transitory as you can always somehow get out

[astral whale]

I mean. Haven’t we seen spaces like this before? I feel like it’s perfectly plausible for a powerful psyker like a primarch to construct their own little “mind palace” within the warp.

[signal bramble]

Big E is also influencing it in some way. So there is more at work than we realize.

[astral whale]

WAIT XD

what if Big E has been busy this entire time.
“Fuck it. I’ll make my own webway with blackjack and hookers”

[signal bramble]

That was my thought.

The forest walk resembles the webway more than anything tbh.

[storm jungle]

You need to be super strong to create a mental space like that

and Primarchs are not really super psykers minus Magnus

so its iffy

[signal bramble]

Big E has influence on the lion’s forest walk.

And he is definitely strong enough.

[storm jungle]

That's Big E

Im talking about Primarchs

[astral whale]

I mean you probably could with enough time. Besides we really don’t know just how powerful the watchers are.

[storm jungle]

Eh kinda but no

Primarchs can do anything with "plot" though so

[astral whale]

We’re talking about the warp here. He has potentially unlimited time to create this space.

[storm jungle]

Who does? Big E?

[green loom]

The watchers made it

Almost certainly

Consider they're not really corporeal beings to begin with and also have ties with the goons who made the webway

[astral whale]

I wouldn’t be suprised if the Watchers were the final creation of the Old Ones. Their last hope: their witnesses.

[storm jungle]

Little tiny Jawas in robes

makes sense i guess

https://tenor.com/view/swtor-star-wars-the-old-republic-jawa-gif-22461334

[green loom]

Anyone excited for the reveals this weekend?

[storm jungle]

more AOS so yes

40k is there too i guess

as long as its not space marines ill be cautiously hype

[astral whale]

I mean out of all races we’ve seen the Watchers have been one of the few that may just be benevolent.

[green loom]

It's probably the rest of the Nids models

[astral whale]

The few that still exist that is.

[storm jungle]

They literally have done nothing

for like the last 20 years

stand around

make utini sounds

I say this as someone that has read like 6 dark angels books

I have many regrets

[green loom]

All they've done is uhh

Scare the Changeling that one time

And do rituals for the DA

[astral whale]

I mean granted that’s more progress than the Squats got.

[storm jungle]

Because squats were literally non-existant

[green loom]

Idk man the squats went from being dead to being alive

[storm jungle]

^

[astral whale]

They existed. Then they didn’t.

[green loom]

Pretty good progress I'd say

[storm jungle]

Not really my point

[astral whale]

Then now a different group exists.

[storm jungle]

Its not a different group

its just the squats

with a new copyright name

[green loom]

Just evolved designs

[storm jungle]

^

now they are Lego

[green loom]

Or devolved according to some

They're just DRG: The Army

[astral whale]

Have we gotten any lore connection from the Squat home worlds to the current day Votann?

[storm jungle]

Yes

they literally

live in the galactic core

and the tyranids are directly mentioned

especially the whole "they were wiped out" ordeal

[green loom]

There's mainly one faction fighting them right?

That one whose name sounds a lot like the USSR?

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

the largest form of them as a group is a "League"

which also existing in old squat lore

[green loom]

They also only act once the Votaan answers i think

And because of absurd file bloat it takes forever

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[astral whale]

So wait hear me out. Are Votanns a confederacy of different leagues?

[green loom]

So GW conveniently wrote themselves an excuse to never include them

[storm jungle]

^

also we dont know

The squats literally have like

[green loom]

Yeah we've gotten their codex and NOTHING else

[storm jungle]

a single lore file and thats their codex

yep

because non-marine factions dont matter

and I say non-"marine"

not even non-imperial

[astral whale]

So the Squats got squatted.

[storm jungle]

Its been a year

they current lore drop is the kill-team vs beastmen

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1011290544128917674/1093933955146862652/IMG_6092.png?width=544&height=544

but i havent read it yet so no idea

[green loom]

Votaan be like

[green loom]

Just realized how little I give a shit about the 40k narrative

It's just Marines fighting Marines with the other factions mentioned every once in a while

[brisk beacon]

Gw milking the shit out of them that’s why

[river bison]

Its because imperial fanboys cry the loudest and spend the most

[green loom]

I look at the lore and I see 3000 excerpts of Marines from the Poopenshitters chapter conversing like normal people, and the comment sections being low effort wojaks about how realistic the dialogue is

[astral whale]

Been that a way for a while. GW hasn't really given a shit about the lore. Just the money.

[uneven temple]

well yeah why would they write books no one buys lmfao

[thick cedar]

If the horus heresy didnt happen, would the imperium have discovered how to use psykers powers with minimal blowback and risk?

[green loom]

Probably

[arctic talon]

If the emperor was still out and about human psykers would be much more stable prolly

[near wasp]

just heard a voiceline about "possible xeno sighting" in the hive of teruim possibly genestealer maybe?

[plush mason]

by this point in the setting its very likely every hive world has at least one genestealer cult and at least one chaos cult

[green loom]

Never you mind, it's not good to be asking questions like that

(I'm kidding)

Doubt we'll see stealers anytime soon

[arctic talon]

It’s prolly a genestealer or an extra fucked up mutant

[thick cedar]

Eldar doing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrZRIW87eWI

[crimson kayak]

i still want to know what the sky reavers line is supposed to mean

as its certainly not speaking about the bird

along with the second hive it seems to be one of the more foreshadowing line

[summer rover]

it might be a referance to some earlier material they pulled atoma from. there's always a lot of stuff you won't find on the wikis because they treat old stuff as not part of the setting anymore.

[storm jungle]

Or

its just a random generic pirate gang

[thick cedar]

I always assumed Sky Reaver was just some edgy guy whos really annoying. The Team Rocket of Atoma

[plush mason]

well it maybe both. the crew is the sky reavers and the captain is called the sky reaver lol

[green loom]

It's literally just "space pirate" phrased differently

[plush mason]

yup

hell i think there is even a DnD airship pirate crew called that lol

hard to get much more generic really

[storm jungle]

Yeah like

not everything has to have a connection to the lore

sometimes a name is just a name

[green loom]

Yeah like how the Lion's Guard models and the Lion's Guard in Lions book are two different things with the same name

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yeah

sometimes people are just bankrupt ideas wise

like Atoma having a "water cartel" so just a generic criminal organisation that controls water which pretty much every imperial world has

[vale shuttle]

instead of water cartel they should've gone with liquid mafia

or maybe fluid yakuza if they were feeling spicy

THE H20 HOUNDS. that's the canon name of the water mafia, the h2o hounds

[storm jungle]

Damn im noting down all these names

[summer rover]

i mean, the water cartel probably has a name, it's just everyone that mentions them hates them so they call it a cartel.

[vale shuttle]

"Jimmy Space's Fine Water Corporation"

[orchid lark]

Theyre callled Nestle

[thick cedar]

what happens to the hosts soul when a demon possess them and when the hosts body dies?

[signal bramble]

Far as we know the daemon takes possession of the human soul and drags in to the warp.

[topaz gate]

“Hey guys I’m awake what did I miss?”
horrors beyond comprehension
“…time to go back to sleep”

[vale shuttle]

normally when a daemon possession occurs the host's soul is totally annihilated. when the host's body dies, in this scenario, the daemon just goes back to the warp. however, as with all things warpy, this is heavily variable and can change from case to case

[crisp heath]

Not that suprising, Mortarion could do something similar, he just chose not to because Mortarion is a self-defeating asshole

He does it twice in Eisenstein, but it's played off as basically just being really quiet and no one noticed he was in the room, then in A Thousand Sons it's a bit more explicit that it's a psyker power when he steps out of the shadow of a titan and it's made very clear that Magnus knew he was on the way. The HH rules give him 10" of teleport for it.

[vale shuttle]

40k gamers: do we have any proof that the whole "xenos betrayed humanity in the age of strife" is true, or is it just something that everyone "knows" is true through osmosis?

[outer wave]

Liquid Liquidators

[crystal forum]

im addicted to tank lore now

please send help i've been staring at my printer for 4 hours

did you guys and gals know that there's a troop transport version of the baneblade

it's literally a pickup truck with titan level autocannon miniguns on it

[odd palm]

Pattern name?

[crystal forum]

see that's another thing i learned about baneblades. the versions all are two words used together

[crystal forum]

the stormlord

[odd palm]

Cheers

Damn it can carry 40 gaurdsmen

[crystal forum]

yeah it's insane

this whole time i thought i was printing a baneblade but it was actually a fellblade

[odd palm]

Lmao

[crystal forum]

i can't even use fellblades with guardsmen so i'm switching to a leman russ model

[odd palm]

Well if you do print it. Iron Hands or Aurora chapter are the most fitting colours for it

[queen laurel]

What version is commissar yarrick's bane blade, the fortress of arrogance?

[celest dome]

It's a Baneblade

[queen laurel]

Oh ok, that make sense

[astral whale]

depends on if Big E was right about the warp. If he was then yes.
If he wasn't then things might get a lot worse as humanity's psychic potential evolves.

[thick cedar]

Right about the warp?

[summer rover]

and really, all signs point to him being clueless

[astral whale]

His theory was that by moving humanity and the majority of the galaxy to empiricism and science that the chaos gods would be nullified. They would exist, but they would not be able to send daemons into realspace.

In reality, Daemons and warp storms are quite percievable. I mean. Good luck explaining away the eye of terror as a scientifically explainable phenomenon.

[thick cedar]

I think all magic becomes a science once you study it long enough

isnt that sorta what the eldar do?

[queen laurel]

Some wise man once said

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

[astral whale]

Here is the thing tho... the Warp isn't empirically or scientifically explainable as the very act of observation and even perception are material concepts which have no real meaning in the warp. Neither do things like time, distance, etc.

[arctic talon]

No, they can still suffer from the perils of the warp, they just are far more resilient to it and instead of dying horrifically usually just turn to crystal even faster

[thick cedar]

just turn to crystal even faster
wat

[arctic talon]

Most eldar who are actively psykers in battle slowly turn to crystals

The eldar keep the crystallized remains of farseers and warlocks

And Eldrad ended up scooping up a ton of them to use in a ritual to summon Ynead

TLDR the warp is ultimately unpredictable and any attempts at truly understand it are hopeless

Because it will fuck you over

Sometimes the warp just doesn’t like you and you’ll just explode

[astral whale]

Or you’re the Psyker in Wrath & Glory whom the God Emperor smiles down upon and somehow doesn’t die of perils.

[arctic talon]

Lol

Tbf perils isn’t always die horribly

Sometimes is

You’ll hear screaming at 7 pm every night for the rest of your life

For a minute straight

[thick cedar]

Why does psyker art usually depict them using lightning? Is lighting more attuned to the warp and easier to use? Or is it just because big zap is cool

[queen laurel]

I think it has to do with the fact that i think lightning is quite easy to give shape and control

It already has a wild shape and well controlling it you have to just generally point at the general direction of something you want to kill

[green loom]

That and nice visuals

[vale shuttle]

Also it's easy to understand

seeing a man shooting lightning immediately makes you go "look, a wizard" and that's all Psykers are

[pine wedge]

Utilizing the Warp is basically just using your mind to alter reality, and one of the simplest and most effective combat applications of altering reality is injecting a fuckton of energy into the thing you want to destroy. Lightning is a natural phenomenon that all psykers are familiar with (you have to be able to picture what you want your mind to do, after all) and lends itself supremely well to directing this flow of energy towards your target.

[pine wedge]

And this, yeah. Not just the psykers themselves are familiar with lightning, we the consumer also immediately associate the casting of lightning from ones's fingertips with magic.

[thick cedar]

When a psyker casts something do they imagine the target being hit or something?

Like do they have the image of them zapping someone in their mind

[vale shuttle]

i don't think we've ever been given that much explanation on the actual mechanics of psyker casting

if i were to guess, i'd assume they need to "pull" a concept from the warp (since the warp is a sea of metaphors, concepts, and ideas) and then "implement" it using power. so they'd pull the idea of lightning out, and then implement it by using warp energy to send it out at the person

[pine wedge]

maybe not directly, but you have to be able to think of the thing that you want your mind to do, because you're using your mind to do it. can't do what you haven't thought of.

being a psyker is hard and trying to exceed your limits will explode your head or see you possessed by a daemon

I am sure that sticking with something familiar and conjuring a natural phenomenon (lightning itself does not break the laws of physics in any way, so pouring energy into a form that reality is accomodating to is probably easier than trying to armwrestle reality directly with your mind) reduces the strain on the psyker's mind

the psyker staves in Darktide do much of the same thing, utilizing expressions of energy like lightning, fire or kinetics to achieve combat impact. voidstrike is probably the most otherworldy of the bunch, and brainbursting is actually a pretty advanced technique iirc

[thick cedar]

How is brainburst more advanced

[vale shuttle]

because brainburst is an application of force without a physical thing doing it

or is it head-poppping?'

idk.

[pine wedge]

because the psyker is using only his mind, no conduit like a staff, and generates the effect (a burst of lightning and warpfire, it looks like) away from their own body.

voidstrike projectiles, surge staff electricity, purgatus warpfire, are all generated and directed out of the psyker's hands

this is easier than doing things at a distance

[thick cedar]

So in theory can psykers do anything?

[green loom]

In theory yes

In practice they tend to blow up if they exert themselves

[vale shuttle]

although i dont like to gas big E up, he's a great example of psykers' limits. he was stupid powerful and could do a stupid amount of things, including force an entire legion of astartes to kneel, make everyone surrender to him via haiku, manipulate his form and perceived form constantly, and generally just be "haha im super powerful"

[green loom]

Yeah the stronger types tend to be able to do stuff like brainwash anyone or ravage entire planets in a very small timeframe

[vale shuttle]

basically, as a psyker scales up in 'power' their limitations become arbitrary

[celest dome]

Biomancy has Bioelectricity in jt

[celest dome]

The Assignment even keep that. Where Alpha + can mean anything to slightly stronger than Alpha to God hood level Psyker

[vale shuttle]

yeah the psyker tier rankings are a little silly, but "power scaling" always is

[celest dome]

It's one of the only thing that really make sense

[vale shuttle]

the alpha+ level?

sorry i dont understand

[celest dome]

Basically there is a Null/Pariah to Normal to Psyker scale. Called the Assignment

In it Psykers are graded along to their power level. With the Max being Alpha level Psykers. But certain Psyker (Like the Emperor, Malcador, Eldrad, Magnus...) exceed that scale

[vale shuttle]

yeah i get that but i dont understand what you mean by "It's one of the only things that really makes sense"!!!

[celest dome]

What is strange for you ?

[pine wedge]

It's also used very inconsistently by authors

Or not used at all

Dan Abnett used it a lot in the Inquisitor novels he wrote

But outside of that I'm not sure if it appears frequently

[pine wedge]

"Uncontained, Alpha Plus psykers represent an immediate and catastrophic threat to the Imperium. In theory, there is nothing that a trained Alpha Plus psyker cannot accomplish through force of will; from snapping a Titan in half to summoning a legion of Greater Daemons. Representing such a great danger, the Inquisition usually executes Alpha Plus psykers on sight unless the possibility for capture is nearly assured."

in practice, most psykers in service of the Imperium do not come anywhere close to this power level and are limited in what they can accomplish without spontaneously combusting, accidentally creating a warp portal, becoming possessed by a daemon, etc.

when you hear the psyker characters in Darktide groan things like "You don't control me..." or "Huusssshh..." while at high levels of peril, they are trying to silence daemonic voices that are threatening to possess them.

[storm jungle]

The origin of that is entirely from Big E

its just gotten a bit loose and misworded through word of mouth by the community, he probably is really warping reality for it and forgets even before the collapse of the utopian human civilizations during the Dark Age of Technology people still wages micro-wars on each other with super-tech and weapons.

And he says this yet he also steamrolled any happy human civilization during 30k that didn't want to join the Imperium, so you know lol

[vale shuttle]

see i thought so, but it's really hard to prove a negative

[celest dome]

We did have some factions that had human and xenos living in peace

[vale shuttle]

we need a book where someone turns to the camera and says: "The xenos of the galaxy did not betray humanity during the Long Night. They were innocent and the Great Crusade xeno extermination was unjustified."

[celest dome]

Like the Interex

[green loom]

Didn't the Interex also brutally suppress the aliens it had in it

They were also ykno

Horribly paranoid

[celest dome]

Don't remember well

There was also another faction that traded with the Eldar iirc

[green loom]

I know one of the races shown off with them was beaten and iirc "pacified"

[celest dome]

The Arachnid ?

Megararchnid ?

[vale shuttle]

Diasporex is a better example

they were 100% peacefully integrated with xenos

they got gooned all the same

[green loom]

No another one

[storm jungle]

the entire solution to defeating these civilizations was also just spamming space marines on them even if they died in droves until it worked

[vale shuttle]

yeah i mean that's what the whole kerfuffle over Murder was about, just throw jimmy space's grandsons at a bunch of totally nonthreatening xenos because they had to

[storm jungle]

Yeah its pretty funny

back when a single Legion was combosed of like 10k Marines so you could just send in how much you wanted into the meatgrinder for results

[vale shuttle]

nah legions were composed of 100K+ marines

i think that's when chapters were 10K...? but idk lmao

[green loom]

Not all of them

It's not consistent and very stupid

You had stuff like 92nd Captains and 30th Chapter Masters and other random ranks

[storm jungle]

^

[vale shuttle]

LMAO

92ND CAPTAINS

[storm jungle]

Also of course the traitors almost had like the most superior numbers

[vale shuttle]

that's hilarious

[storm jungle]

because they are the stormtroopers and need to die a lot

[vale shuttle]

make chaos marines competent again

[green loom]

88th captain of the 14th legion

[storm jungle]

But uh its not consistent like Ede said but we do have SOME numbers

god bless the lexicanum crew for trying

[celest dome]

Thousands Sons have more than 1000 SM

[storm jungle]

I know

your whole life was a lie

im sorry

[copper patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-23674110

[vale shuttle]

what's the numbers after Istvaan III? cause that resulted in a lotta goons dying and is the real start of the heresy lmao

[storm jungle]

That im not well-versed enough to know

[pine wedge]

"less than before" is a good estimation. we could even be bold and run "significantly reduced".

[vale shuttle]

fair enogh

[vale shuttle]

lmao, true, true

[crystal forum]

ultramarines weren't there so that's a huge chunk which wasn't affected

[storm jungle]

Ultras were largely effected on the betrayal at Calth

but even then they were still really strong

its why the traitors feared their arrival during the Siege's climax/final hours

[crystal forum]

horus had to get to terra before the plot armour chapter arrived

[vale shuttle]

yeah ultras were being harried and kept away from the siege cause if they showed up then they would've given the traitors some rela troubvle

[crisp heath]

Lion during Siege of Terra: haha traitor worlds go boom

[storm jungle]

thats the funniest new lore so far ngl

[crisp heath]

Honestly I hope New Lion is as exterminatus happy as he was during the Heresy

[crystal forum]

i still don't get how the dies irae imperator titan was on terra during the siege yet managed to not get destroyed after the win

[green loom]

The Salamanders, Iron Hands and Raven Guard were basically destroyed

Almost all the Iron Hands were dead

Only 3k or so RG survived

[pine wedge]

Can you elaborate?

[green loom]

You know most of the traitor homeworlds?

Lion blew them up

[orchid lark]

He decided to scorch earth traitor worlds

Thinking if the traitors won it would be hollow for them

Blood Angels took the direct path ultras taking the path after behind

[crisp heath]

During the Siege of Terra the Lion exterminatused every traitor homeworld that still existed and dozens of worlds like Davin

[orchid lark]

Lion then took to the sides

The traitors were encircled by three dangerous people

Its like rugby

[crisp heath]

I can imagine the Lion rocking up to Olympia and being like "hang on what the fuck" though

[orchid lark]

Lion to his Ironwing sons on activating the AI

“MORE”

As much as people dont like Roboutes Imperium Secundus thing

The Triumvirate were some of the most badass primarchs

[crisp heath]

Oh you just know he went to Nostramo first and got completely blue balled

[orchid lark]

I dont think he had much emotion

Mightve been like Sigismund

Where he was so clear in his head

To the Lion it wasnt like fighting any enemy, it was just putting a wild dog down

[storm jungle]

Basically in layman's terms this is what the Lion did

"No spawn locations for you anymore fuckbois"

[pine wedge]

Damn, brutal.

[orchid lark]

Its what Saruman did

[crisp heath]

Nah, in Ruinstorm the Lion also destroys a planet and he's like, way too into it

Like, he really wants to just keep doing that

[storm jungle]

Yeah he sees it as

EXACTING VENGEANCE

[orchid lark]

He likes putting beasts down

[crisp heath]

The Lion has an exterminatus kink

[orchid lark]

I can respect the old man

Looks at Firewing “No, no. We can use the big bad ones now.”

“I want Old Night to seem like a joke.”

[crisp heath]

I didn't find the passage I was thinking of but I searched "ruinstorm lion exterminatus" and this is almost as good as the passage I wanted

    'By that logic,’ said Guilliman, ‘we should destroy the entire system.’

    'I would if I could,’ said the Lion.```

[orchid lark]

“Even if they win. They must lose.”

[pine wedge]

"Please say syke right now," whispered Guilliman.

[orchid lark]

“I learned this technique from an ancient Terran Wizard known as Saruman the White when he destroyed the Ratlings home of the Shire.”

[crystal forum]

lion finding a 38 thousand year old dvd of the fellowship of the ring

[crisp heath]

That's the same book where he almost blows up Sanguinius but has a panic attack at the last second

[orchid lark]

Sadly the movies didnt show the sacking of the shire

Imagine if it did tho

Biggest kick to the teeth in cinema for years to come

[crystal forum]

it would feel like a cheap comic book tv show from the 90's where the main villain always comes back

[orchid lark]

Yeah not to mention the exhaustion you wouldve felt

Thankfully no one did that

Cough cough game of thrones shitty ending cough

I liked that it was good commentary on how shitth governments are, and how power of a kingdom never really goes to the people that deserves it but

That season was just shit

[crystal forum]

yeah i only heard bad things when it came out

[crisp heath]

I would've liked to see the Scouring of the Shire

[orchid lark]

Like I read novels that were made in the 80s and 90s

I know the tones and comments of it

But modern audiences didnt

Game of Thrones last season needed to be longer

[storm jungle]

HBO said they could do 3 more seasons

D&D just wanted to wrap it up and leave to do star wars

[orchid lark]

Like george carlin said, think of the most average person. Half the world is dumber than that person

[crisp heath]

I'm about to crack into Gideon the Ninth and I'm extremely excited, I've only heard good things and I've seen some quotes and I feel like this will be my next obsession

[orchid lark]

And nothing came from it. Good riddance

[storm jungle]

Yep

[orchid lark]

And fuck Kathleen

Goddamn it

[storm jungle]

🙏

[crystal forum]

who

[orchid lark]

I STILL NEED TO READ THAT SERIES AUUUGH

I can feel it, its my next Black Company

[crisp heath]

haha I'm an oldschool Homestuck nerd and there's also a blatant 40k reference in it so at the very least it'll feel familiar

[orchid lark]

Im homestuck too

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[crisp heath]

"There's an undead Emperor who conquered the stars and has been worshipped as a God for the last 10,000 years" geez where have I heard that before

[orchid lark]

Theres homestuck in the Tamsyn nuir series?

[orchid lark]

Dune

[crisp heath]

Oh my god yes?

[orchid lark]

How about that

[orchid lark]

Kathleen Kennedy?

[crisp heath]

Gideon is Dave Strider, like literally she is genderbent Dave Strider, Gideon the Ninth was a Homestuck fanfic.

[orchid lark]

Shes the current president thing for Star Wars stuff

That

[crisp heath]

hang on let me find it real quick

[orchid lark]

Explains the glasses

Motherfucker

Also i figured your homestuck

[crisp heath]

WORRYINGLY FLY SUNGLASSES in the manner of Top Gun or maybe something that once adorned Starsky’s weird, gaunt face. Are something of a mysterious enigma even in the context of the book. Will they somehow prove central to our mystery?? (SPOILER: No.)

[orchid lark]

You have a chumhandle

[crisp heath]

That's how the author described Gideon for the artist doing the cover

[orchid lark]

PesterChum? Whats it called?

[crystal forum]

the producer? she's been involved in a lot of good movies

[crisp heath]

pesterchum

[orchid lark]

She’s the reason why Rey was the way she was written in episode 9

And the Reylo stuff too

I havent watched anything Disney since the first trailer for spiderman no way home (not a joke)

[crystal forum]

yeah idk what's up with her. her filmography is all either good or bad movies, nothing in between lol

[orchid lark]

But star wars news keeps coming to me

[crystal forum]

at least she made rogue one

the least shitty recent movie

[orchid lark]

Jon Favreau almost left Mandalorian because Kennedy wanted to keep adding stuff

[crisp heath]

The only job I’d do for you would be if you wanted your ass kicked so hard, the Locked Tomb opened and a parade came out to sing, ‘Lo! A destructed ass.’

Literal Dave Strider dialogue

[orchid lark]

Disney CEO had to step in and say its okay Jon, you wont be interrupted

[crisp heath]

“Harrow,” said Gideon, “if my heart had a dick you would kick it.”
Dave. Strider. Dialogue.

[orchid lark]

Thats very Rose i feel

[crisp heath]

Rose is the author

[orchid lark]

Super direct

[crystal forum]

was she the reason season 3 sucks

[orchid lark]

No

Thats probably Favreau

[crystal forum]

did she add uncanny valley luke skywalker

[orchid lark]

Probably

But that was definitely Favreau still

[crystal forum]

everybody tries to do marvel and add in universe characters

[orchid lark]

I believe she may had been one of the few people to go for more CGI

Like not a puppet grogu

But maybe CGI this Favreau

So it doesnt look like someone threw a doll in the air

I still refuse to watch anything Disney (I have been happier since)

But man

The Bo Katan actress

And her mandalorian outfit

[pine wedge]

[copper patrol]

hmm

[orchid lark]

Its actually good, its been quite positive

Such an interesting concept that I need to go into

[pine wedge]

no I mean

immortal, ten-thousand year old Emperor, revered and worshipped as a god

[orchid lark]

Yeah

[pine wedge]

I know that guy.

[orchid lark]

Like Dune

Or the Empress from Homestuck

[pine wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/if-the-emperor-had-a-text-to-speech-device-no-gif-14921935

[crisp heath]

I like to think they're all 4 the same person

[orchid lark]

Its their multiverse

[crisp heath]

Although tbf "10,000" is probably lowballing the Condesce's age by a few million years

[orchid lark]

I mean Star Wars has a kinda god emperor

The bad dude from Old republic?

The Vitae? The Vitruia ?

[pine wedge]

looks like a fun novel though, hadn't heard of it before

added to the backlog

[orchid lark]

Most BBEG are immortal god kings

Freaking Vandal Savage is one

He’s definitely a hundred thousand years old

that small thing from Dragon Ball too

[crystal forum]

is it just me that hates how titans look

except the warhound, that one is ok

[orchid lark]

I like them

[crystal forum]

the bigger ones all look like they're still stuck in the 90's era 40k

[orchid lark]

they look they were made to be function over form

and then added doodads later

[orchid lark]

Good

Id do anything to have the 90s Rhino

[crisp heath]

Titans are the literal peak of form over function in 40k what?

[orchid lark]

their design thought process

to carry guns

its like the mechwarriors

they look funny looking ducks

[crisp heath]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/7/74/ConvertedImperatorMini.jpg

[crystal forum]

the emperor class literally has a cathedral on it

[crisp heath]

This guy is architecture

[crystal forum]

honestly my pet peeve is specifically with the emperor classes

but GW hasn't made any models for them recently so i guess it makes sense

[crisp heath]

Oh no that's the coolest titan

He's architecture

[crystal forum]

look at its dumpy legs though

they look so thin compared to the rest of the chonk

[orchid lark]

like the pacific rim mechs

[crisp heath]

The actual machine is pretty small, there's just a church stuck on it

[crystal forum]

you cannot tell me that the emperor classes don't look like dumpy old crotchy men

[orchid lark]

good

[crisp heath]

good

[crystal forum]

small??!!?

[crisp heath]

I mean in comparison to the church

Most of it's mass is where people have mass

[crystal forum]

actually this model looks ridiculously small compared to the destroyed building

GW added the emperor in the epic scale

tanks are smaller than your pinky finger in that scale

wiki says their height is never consistent, going from 60 to 140 meters tall

the burj khalifa is 827 meters (2716 feet) tall

empire state building is 381m (1250 feet)

[pine wedge]

this is peak 40k, and we should never move away from it

[crystal forum]

yeah no the cathedral is great

i just don't like the proportions of the machine

[vale shuttle]

28mm scale emperor class titan when?

10K points, 5 bajillion dollars from forge world

[pine wedge]

the weird proportions add to their character, I think

[crystal forum]

the funniest thing i've seen somebody say about this is that a small child stomping the playing board would get the same result

[pine wedge]

we have a lot of mechs with more human proportions in scifi already

the 40k titans are unique and flavourful because they have that weird hulking posture

[vale shuttle]

i just want to see an emperor class titan in scale

idk how good titans sell but surely there's a market of rich people who would buy emperor class 28mm titans

[crystal forum]

yeah it does add a uniqueness

[crisp heath]

That's less of a model and more statuary

[pine wedge]

but the modern warlord and imperial knight models are cool too

[crystal forum]

it's pretty cool actually how buying a titan is like buying an expensive car. They give you tons of custom choices for each part and you can even put a name on it

[pine wedge]

I take it this is the sort of imperial titan you like best?

[vale shuttle]

it's about as expensive as a car too

[crisp heath]

Speaking of Statuary, y'all wanna see a titan built to scale?

everybody a gangster till the church gundam shows up

[vale shuttle]

yes

[crisp heath]

My bad, a knight

not a titan

a knight

[crystal forum]

i actually much prefer warhounds

[vale shuttle]

sure

[crisp heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725132155247788043/1099504414068326490/image-1.png

[pine wedge]

hahaha yeah I remember a variant of this from years ago describing 40k titans, "everybody gangsta till the cathedral starts walking"

[pine wedge]

hell yeah

this is my favorite titan-related thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK02e3U4Q9U

[crystal forum]

the thing i don't like about medium titans is they look way too similar to knights

[vale shuttle]

holy moly that's rad

[pine wedge]

if only we had a 40k movie with shit like this

[vale shuttle]

you know what i dont get about titans is why they have power claws

surely they're too slow and lumbering to effectively melee fight

[crystal forum]

ever walked with you mom as a kid and you had to walk way faster to match their pace

[crisp heath]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/13/these-hobbyists-took-their-love-of-warhammer-to-the-next-level-by-building-a-knight-out-of-a-car/

Here's the original source

[vale shuttle]

i meant swinging their arms

[crystal forum]

it does't matter how slow they are when they're absolutely massive

[crisp heath]

big claw go crunch

[vale shuttle]

also what kind of target would a titan want to melee?

[pine wedge]

another titan

[copper patrol]

[crystal forum]

the mass alone means every slow punch is extremely damaging

[crisp heath]

They also made a trygon statue and a few vehicles

[copper patrol]

pretty much

some vehicles they can pick up and throw as well

[crystal forum]

other titans. melee negates void shields

it's high risk high reward

[vale shuttle]

fair enough i guess

[crisp heath]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/hNtL3HqI5Rtv8btQ.jpg

Knight at night

[crystal forum]

melee titans are usually for smaller classes

like emperor classes don't have any melee options

[vale shuttle]

the thought just popped into my head when i went to the warlord titan's wahapedia page and saw it came equipped with two arioch power claws by default

[pine wedge]

the claws are also lined with guns

[crisp heath]

tbf what is going to get into a fistfight with an emperor class

[crystal forum]

other titans

[vale shuttle]

maybe a tyranid bio-titan

maybe one of the aeldari super-wraiths

[crystal forum]

definitely an ork abomination

[pine wedge]

I don't think there's bio-titan strain large enough to grapple an imperator-class titan in melee just yet

[crisp heath]

stop giving good examples

[vale shuttle]

👏 ork 👏 titans 👏 when 👏

[crystal forum]

they already have titans

[copper patrol]

isn't that just a gorkanuaght/morkanaught

[crystal forum]

the emperor class models were added to rival ork titans

[vale shuttle]

i meant them as models

[crisp heath]

speaking of bio titans

why is the hierophant caked up

[copper patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/saltzpyre-eyebrow-raise-vermintide-gif-24052002

[vale shuttle]

||uwu||

[crisp heath]

Apparently forgeworld links don't want to embed but trust me, that's a thirsty ass tyranid

[crystal forum]

there's literally a nid called the dominatrix

[crisp heath]

I know and it's hideous and not in a fun tyranid way

[celest dome]

The Tau have some Auxillia like that

[crystal forum]

bruh if tau get titans im losing hope

[vale shuttle]

tau have their own sorta-kinda-not-really titan, in that one very big mech that has a very big gun

the tau are sensible enough to not be like "we need to keep scaling this up" and go "time to stop, this is big enough to kill everything"

[crystal forum]

tau making more scientific progress in a thousand years than humanity did in 10k years

[vale shuttle]

also the tau have a manta which basically fulfils the same modelling role as the titan does anyway

[storm jungle]

also

you can kill someone IRL with a Manta

[copper patrol]

tau are shtinky, but only becuase they haven't expanded on the auxiliaries enough

[storm jungle]

Covenant Moment

[copper patrol]

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-elite-halo-halo-grunt-halo2-halo2anniversary-gif-24918611

get em boys

[vale shuttle]

give me a t'au auxilaries army please

then the t'au can become a true superfaction by having more than one army under them

[crystal forum]

it's so hard to find information on when things were added to 40k

like when were the tau added

2001?

[crimson kayak]

yeah give me a knight sized Vorgh model please

[crystal forum]

damn they're older than i thought

[crimson kayak]

wrong quoted message

[vale shuttle]

the tau are 22 years old this year

and yet some people still say they dont fit the lore!!!

they're older than a lot of 40k fans!!!!!!

[crystal forum]

they're only slightly younger than me

but i still think they don't fit

[storm jungle]

Tau are great

down with gothic junkyard explosion aesthetic

[vale shuttle]

tau are rad!!!

[crystal forum]

ok their vaguely medieval japan aesthetic is one thing i hate

but their lore is what i really don't like

[crimson kayak]

i still have to find something that the Tau have that no one else does that makes them "not fit" in the universe

[green loom]

Their lore is fine

If you

Don't look at Farsight and Shadowsun

[hallow saddle]

I'd take Tau over elves any day

[crystal forum]

they just don't give a damn about chaos

[crisp heath]

Make the junkyard gothier and explodier tbh

[green loom]

Chaos cares about them though glares at Farsight

[crisp heath]

I want to see painters break down sobbing as they mess up their 202nd spire

[crystal forum]

i just don't get why they had to be aliens

[crisp heath]

I want tanks you can't even see through all the skulls and eagles

[crystal forum]

why couldn't they be mutants like the dwarves and still treated like xenos

[crisp heath]

I want goth girl waifus that aren't murderelves

[copper patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[crimson kayak]

because effectively, that would change absolutely nothing?

[vale shuttle]

time to homebrew your own Sororitas order

[hallow saddle]

Dorfs ain't muties

[crystal forum]

exactly!

why make them aliens and fully separate from humanity then

[crimson kayak]

but it's the same for every race tbf lol, just slap them out and subtitute them with "human mutation 10583"

[crystal forum]

nah because the other races have ancient lore

[crimson kayak]

so if it's not ancient it's not good?

[storm jungle]

They are mutated humans

so yeah

[hallow saddle]

So really the objection isn't that Tau don't fit into 40k, it's that Tau don't fit into the Imperium?

[storm jungle]

Also yeah like

not everything in 40k is a gothic junkyard explosion

the Imperium doesnt represent the aesthetic of the setting

[pine wedge]

why... not...? I don't really understand this question. should we have less xenos races in 40k?

[crystal forum]

yes. GW won't take the time to develop aliens so why make them so

[pine wedge]

if anything, 40k should have more advanced xenos races that are playable armies in the tabletop.

[crystal forum]

i want less factions so GW can focus lore more

[crimson kayak]

so like, if gw went and instead of the warp storm thing said "They are an extremely advanced old race that just did their own shit all this time" they would suddenly fit?

[crystal forum]

yeah because GW would have to give them way more more background

[vale shuttle]

focus on who though?

[crimson kayak]

meanwhile things like the krorks getting passing mentions at best

[pine wedge]

the Tau are a great counterweight to the Imperium, an example of what a species can achieve when it doesn't have to fear Chaos. rapid scientific progress, tolerant society, beautiful shiny aesthetic.

[crystal forum]

hopefully the older xeno races that desperately need lore like the eldar

[hallow saddle]

How many Tau codexes have you read?

[vale shuttle]

but the Eldar have lore!!! they just don't get many novels

[crisp heath]

I have 2 requests:
Let me have more xenos
Let me play as the comissariat

[vale shuttle]

but the tau aren't taking that from them, the Imperium is

[pine wedge]

looks at Ynnead

[crisp heath]

Not the guard. Just all commissars

[coarse pumice]

I don’t like the Tau because they stole the high tech guys badge from the Eldar

[crimson kayak]

eldar are still so fucking more advanced than tau

[coarse pumice]

Yeah

[pine wedge]

the Eldar were hoarding the "oops all psykers" and "high tech" badges at the same time, shit wasn't fair anyway.

[coarse pumice]

But in just popular view

[crisp heath]

The Tau are the "fight like reasonable people" faction

[crystal forum]

ok my dislike for tau might specifically be caused by the people who treat them as the good guys because GW made them too nuanced

[crimson kayak]

like, all tau got in terms of equipment is Fancy guns and big mech wich is the Standard for all Tech factions at this point in the setting

[storm jungle]

Eldar tech is still more advanced tho is the thing

you also got necrons

[crimson kayak]

as a Tau fan, that's perfectly reasonable lol

[storm jungle]

which are just so broke

[green loom]

Look up the uhhhh

Terrax Guard?

[pine wedge]

if you compare them with the Imperium and its oligarchic, xenophobic, genocidal and theological regime, the Tau definitely look like the good guys which is GOOD because nobody should think the Imperium are the good guys

[crystal forum]

i think eldar tech is just more understanding of warp stuff so it looks advanced to more real space human tech

[crimson kayak]

yeah but that's kind of the point, they are basically "what if golden age humanity found himself in the middle of the shitstorm and has to adapt to it"

[pine wedge]

Eldar tech is 50% tech and 50% psyker magic anyway, Tau tech is just that, 100% tech, which is why they're the Advanced Tech race now.

[storm jungle]

Its less warp and more just stuff like wraithbone and automation for the most part

[crimson kayak]

close to all eldar tech is psychic wraithbone spirit bullcrap anyway

[storm jungle]

theres a reason craftworlds are literally paradises

[crystal forum]

but nobody should be good guys 😠

[green loom]

For me the draw of the Tau is them being the "good" naive new race that's stepping into the galactic stage and reacting firsthand to the horrors it has
We don't see much of humanity's first encounters with things
Also a chance to see an empire reach its peak

[pine wedge]

yeah I think they're a good addition to the lore. they were very new when I was first interested in 40k and I've always liked them, even back then.

[vale shuttle]

Tau are yet to hit the apex of their civilization

Tau are basically in the same place the Imperium is just before the Fall of the Eldar

[crisp heath]

Honestly my complaint is that they just don't look right next to other factions, which is also my complaint the League. I like them in concept, they're just a bit too streamlined for my tastes

[storm jungle]

I mean

thats the point tho

Factions should not look similiar

[copper patrol]

eldar are pretty "streamlined"

other then their silly hats

[vale shuttle]

silly hats are based

[crisp heath]

Eldar are still pretty clunky in some places

[storm jungle]

penis helms lets gooo

[crisp heath]

I need the clunk

[hallow saddle]

We need more silly hats.

[storm jungle]

thats because half their model line is AUGHHH

[hallow saddle]

Chaos votann when

[copper patrol]

older then me

[green loom]

Leather thigh highs over armour

[copper patrol]

[pine wedge]

sure, sure. when you dive into the Tau, they're not all sunshine and rainbows either. any society with a caste system that includes a caste at the top is another oppressive regime, really. but they're some of the best the 40k galaxy has to offer, which is why I think they, and the humans that ally with them, occupy some of the most interesting moral positions in the lore.

[vale shuttle]

eldar models are older than the people in this chat

[storm jungle]

Legit

[vale shuttle]

they need to revamp them ffs GW

[coarse pumice]

The hats are based on elves hats which are based on some historical guys I can’t remember

[crisp heath]

Hoplites

[green loom]

The Greeks had weird pointy helmets like that

"Greeks" most of the classical world

[crimson kayak]

yeah, living within the Tau empire is unironically better as an auxiliary than an actual T'au species member

[green loom]

You just get to do whatever right

[crisp heath]

My bad it was Phrygians

[crimson kayak]

yep

[green loom]

For the most part

[crisp heath]

http://nebula.wsimg.com/bea2e0471425df6e3548f8c083b797d8?AccessKeyId=08FD099C604DAE46E655&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

[copper patrol]

like idk why they haven't redone the eldar line, like aren't elves typically really popular

[crystal forum]

god damn that's ugly

[green loom]

Yeah that helmet was used all over

[crimson kayak]

basically as long as you don't try to overthrow the ethereals you are good

[copper patrol]

maybe like the reason they aren't popular rn is becuase the models are old as fuck

[pine wedge]

this is what you get when you buy an Aeldari boarding patrol today. what's wrong with these models? I know they look the same now as they did 20 years ago but what's the problem?

[vale shuttle]

treason is typically treated as one of the highest crimes you can commit, so i dont really think this is something the tau are doing the worst

[crystal forum]

i think eldar are just boring

[hallow saddle]

Yeah they have started to revamp the eldar models

[green loom]

I think Saim Hann is cool

[copper patrol]

aspect warriors are cool

[hallow saddle]

Took ages but at least there's new guardians now

[copper patrol]

wraith constructs are cool

[crisp heath]

I know too much Irish to not cringe at craftworld names

[crimson kayak]

Saim Hann is literally just Ynnari but without suicidal depression

[hallow saddle]

I rly want a small eldar corsairs force

[green loom]

The only good thing about the Ynnari is the Visarch because he looks baller af

[coarse pumice]

These are reasonably modern iirc

[crimson kayak]

i mean, we got the kill team for that

the voidscarred

[copper patrol]

where high elves really popular back in warhammer fantasy

[coarse pumice]

Though I like the old models too

[hallow saddle]

We did, they're really nice

[crisp heath]

Also really fucked up that Iyanden got the "undead" motif and not Saim hann

[coarse pumice]

The middle models (3rd edition) were worse

[pine wedge]

oh yeah the uhhh

Yvraine

now that is a weird design

[green loom]

Wait a minute which craftworld is the that likes the bike aspects?

[crimson kayak]

Saim Hann is just Eldars fans of Krorks speed freaks

[coarse pumice]

Saim Han

[green loom]

Ok not mixing it up then

[crisp heath]

It's literally named after Samhain, wraith army pls

[pine wedge]

yeah this is lit

[crystal forum]

i'd like eldar if they had tanks

[storm jungle]

they do

[copper patrol]

pretty drippy

[crisp heath]

Anyway I hate eldar with an absolutely burning passion, Exodites can stay

[crystal forum]

which

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

the only eldar I like are the ones you can't play lmao

[crimson kayak]

yeah, they can stay along the footnotes at the end of the page considering the exodite content we have

[crystal forum]

what the hell they actually look cool

[copper patrol]

penis gun, penis gun

[green loom]

Gabriel and Macha are infinitely more valid than Guilliman and Yvraine

[pine wedge]

but then you have THIS

[storm jungle]

TOLD YOU SO

[crisp heath]

Me, holding Eldrad by the face like we're about to kiss: "when death arrives, dying is over"

[crystal forum]

i like that red one

[storm jungle]

yeah thats their basic tank

[pine wedge]

what the fuck is that victorian lookin ass hoop dress doing on an ELDAR

[storm jungle]

tho that has a fire prism

[copper patrol]

why she walking like that

[storm jungle]

because it looks COOL

same as why orks dress up like pirates

[pine wedge]

I don't think it does

[storm jungle]

Its 40k so

[copper patrol]

that model and lileaths both kinda feel like they went "people like elf feet" when they made them

[crisp heath]

I really want to like Yvrainne's design, she's an ok elf. but also... the topknot...

[storm jungle]

Do you mean Lilith

[crystal forum]

i just like tanks tbh

[copper patrol]

yes

[storm jungle]

no wait I meant Lelith

[pine wedge]

it just doesn't look eldar to me. I know the ynnari are supposed to be a new superfaction sorta thing that isn't just eldar but also harlequin and dark eldar but man. this is not the aesthetic imo.

[storm jungle]

copyright™️

[green loom]

Miss Hesperax

[copper patrol]

hesperax

ye

[storm jungle]

but yeah uh

💀

[copper patrol]

💀

[green loom]

Warden caught

[vale shuttle]

mod gets struck by the automod

[hallow saddle]

[storm jungle]

I GOT CANCELLED

[copper patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-23674110

[vale shuttle]

dont worry dilara, you're the only mod in my heart

[crimson kayak]

Coolest Aspect along the Fire Dragons and Warp Spiders

[storm jungle]

Eyo my boys

[crystal forum]

how the hell do you mold that hair

[storm jungle]

anti-tank boyz

[vale shuttle]

if you wanted to try and instigate a Dilara Heresy, i'd be right there fighting wtih you in the trenches

[crisp heath]

Oh that must be the bot that crashed my discord

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-turkiye-kaan-ozdil-car-gif-19334563

[storm jungle]

lmfao

damn it

[vale shuttle]

so is it the term 'foot fetish' that kills posts?

[storm jungle]

Uh let me try

fetish

[pine wedge]

drukhari, right? totally acceptable then

[green loom]

I assume you can never escape this man

[vale shuttle]

OH LMOA

HOLY SHIT

[vale shuttle]

THIS AUTOMOD IS SO BAD

'foot fetish'

[storm jungle]

LSDKLDSFDS

[vale shuttle]

GUYS YOU NEED TO FIX THIS

[storm jungle]

🦶

[near wasp]

Its specificly feet the bot doesnt like

[vale shuttle]

🦶 ❤️

[pine wedge]

the apostrophes break the automod? lol what the hell

'suck my cock'

[vale shuttle]

is it the term foot

[pine wedge]

oh god

[hallow saddle]

🦶👅

[storm jungle]

Astartes Fetish

[crimson kayak]

because yes, talking about how curze keeps pocket screaming people alive is good, but when you mention the two F words together...

[copper patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-hell-gif-13171534

[vale shuttle]

ok so it's VERY SPECIFICALLY the term 'foot fetish'

[storm jungle]

Dwarf Fetish

[crisp heath]

No, my messages are getting blocked too and I'm not talking about feet, it seems to be trying to find sexual messages using... context? I guess?

[hallow saddle]

Foot sex hot feet

[storm jungle]

Bolter Porn

[pine wedge]

curze does what lmao

[storm jungle]

oh wow that worked

[vale shuttle]

is it that new Clyde bot?

[copper patrol]

he does do that

[crisp heath]

Anyway there is no way to discuss my opinions on Lelith without getting blocked apparently

[crimson kayak]

yeah curze basically has small bits of alive flesh he keeps around on his armour

[crisp heath]

to summarize: they aren't good, but don't try to put more clothes on now

[copper patrol]

becuase of course he does

[vale shuttle]

are we sure curze didn't hang out with some dark eldar?

[crimson kayak]

insert scene of Vect as a lowly Kabal warrior spying on Curze homeplanet like how someone would look at a Bob Ross painting video

[green loom]

Fingers crossed for new Greyfax/Celestine tag team book

[vale shuttle]

is that a real thing or have you made me excited for no reason?

[green loom]

The latter

[crisp heath]

New Greyfax book: "Roommates"

[vale shuttle]

"They were prayermates!!!"

[copper patrol]

they were roommates

[copper patrol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/1095986523125600317/ThisCannotContinue.gif

[green loom]

The meme chat doesn't like it

Like aggressively

It's quite funny

[vale shuttle]

...like what?

[copper patrol]

meme chat is a fucken weird place

[green loom]

Celefax

[crisp heath]

celefax im assuming

[storm jungle]

weird

i thought lifeless nerds liked cheap lesbian relationships

and that is male/male stuff they hate

[vale shuttle]

no no no

they like cheap fetishised lesbian relationships

[crisp heath]

I like how celefax was originally fueled by GW being bad at portraying women and just became basically canon

[vale shuttle]

cheap lesbian relationships are woke and ruining the hobby by including politics

[crisp heath]

Hang on gonna go in meme chat and post literally any pride flag

[near wasp]

That place is hell

[vale shuttle]

i dont check it

OH MY GOD I HAVE TO WATCH STRAWB

I'

AM READY

[copper patrol]

I like all the random tank armor memes

[crisp heath]

I wouldn't sow that much havoc

[green loom]

Mfw 40k sub