40k-lore-chat

[rose thorn]

I CANT

"you know everyoens favorite part of monster hunter? when they use a mini gun againsst the mosnters"

[celest dome]

I like both

[rose thorn]

ok outside of monster hunter

i like it

but

OMG IT LOOKS LIKE A DYING RAT

HOW IS IST SUPPSODE TO BE A CAT

[queen laurel]

Yeah as much as more advanced modern day fire arms are, you are going to need something bigger than that if you want to hurt an average monster

[orchid lark]

hippos and rhinos are almost bulletproof

people often forget that

hell, isnt it like

40 people a year go to the hospital because they got hit by their own bullet after shooting an armadillo in america?

[rose thorn]

a guy died from doing that

[green loom]

Is that the lady who played Jill in the Resident Evil movies

[rose thorn]

yea

[copper patrol]

maybe if it's a piddly bullet, but miniguns typically fire big fucking bullets

[rose thorn]

im pretty sure

[orchid lark]

yeah her husband is director

he has her act in all his films mostly

[queen laurel]

Yes it ricocheted back to their skull

[rose thorn]

i dare you tot ell me what movie this is with out any context

[queen laurel]

Death easy?

[green loom]

This is like Laura Bailey getting into everything because her husband has some voice company iirc

[orchid lark]

its monhun

[rose thorn]

YEA

LIKE

i cant send this

[queen laurel]

What's this movie supposed to be

[orchid lark]

Monster Hunter

[rose thorn]

to my mom and tell her its from a war movie

and she will believe me

[queen laurel]

That's monster hunter?

[rose thorn]

and she loves those movies

YEA

[orchid lark]

if you have to have me explain to you what Monster Hunter means

[undone zodiac]

Paul ws anderson using his wife to make his action fantasies

[queen laurel]

I love monster hunter but i never really played it i only played the stories one

I miss my pet deviljho

[orchid lark]

wait, how old are you lmao

[rose thorn]

i played monster hunter on the psp

and world

[orchid lark]

god I played since MHFreedom 1...

[rose thorn]

but i have nof riends who like monster hunter

[copper patrol]

played tri when I was like

[orchid lark]

dont remind me how old I am pls

[copper patrol]

11-13 I don't remember

[rose thorn]

so my only real experienece is on the psp

[green loom]

Imagine playing Monster Hunter

Couldn't be me

[queen laurel]

I'm practically an outsider because i practically played monster hunter pokemon

[copper patrol]

then I got back into it with world, rise and generations ultimate

[rose thorn]

3 guys and a particular hatred for a monster is the best vibe ever

[orchid lark]

Monhun is fun as fuck with friends.

[copper patrol]

love my charge blade, love me world hunting horn, love me rise great sword

[green loom]

And I don't have either 😎

[copper patrol]

simple as

[orchid lark]

lol

[queen laurel]

Since you're a player of monster hunter have you experienced the infamous hyperspace tackle?

[copper patrol]

I have

if you mean plesioth

[undone zodiac]

Never watch paul w. s. Andersons movies

[orchid lark]

I dont play Stories, im not the target for that

[queen laurel]

Never played the mainline games but i heard his quite known for that

[orchid lark]

was old when the first Stories game came out

[queen laurel]

That's the only game i played because that's probably the only game i could afford at the time

[orchid lark]

back in my day, the longswords were a greatsword path.

they were greatswords with no defence bonus is all

[rose thorn]

I want to try the insect glaive

[orchid lark]

the french stick

[rose thorn]

Fuck it im@downlaoding monster hunter world

[queen laurel]

If i could play i might use the gun lance

[rose thorn]

Pls I just love bugs

[queen laurel]

I mean it's explosive and it kills people

Good enough for me

[orchid lark]

your emotional support bug lmao

[queen laurel]

I mean is also very fitting for an ork

A melee weapon that doubles as an explosive cannon

[rose thorn]

Exactly

[queen laurel]

And oh yeah i forgot you can be a storm boy with the gunlance now

[orchid lark]

Monhunworld and Tekken 7 and the sweat mechanics love it

[queen laurel]

He looks like those 90s 80s movies depiction of a barbarian

[rose thorn]

His name is Carl

Ignore my

Floor

[copper patrol]

best part about gunlance

[rose thorn]

Why the duck do I have a Simon says under my desk

where did this come rom

[queen laurel]

Yes i would definitely try it out if i can get the game

[orchid lark]

I dont live with you

I wouldnt know

[queen laurel]

Why are you asking that isn't that your own house

[rose thorn]

IDK

[orchid lark]

Insect Glaive and the Switch Axe, the women weapons

[rose thorn]

I think I’m having a stroke

[orchid lark]

Switch Axe is the cooler Great Sword, thats why I see only women and girls use it

[queen laurel]

I can't tell you if you're joking or actually quite serious

[orchid lark]

but itll be a cold day in hell, if you could seperate me from my great sword

[orchid lark]

Ive only seen my ex gf only use Switch Axe, and Insect Glaive, and my friend before he transitioned, also was Switch Axe and Insect Glaive...

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zMVNJsHcXE

[orchid lark]

and from when I do hunt and call with other hunters...

Switch Axe users were also girls...

[rose thorn]

I’m a switch axe with out the axe

[green loom]

A Switchblade?

[orchid lark]

no shes a switch

it means shes got drift

[green loom]

What like a light switch?

[vale shuttle]

wait "Peel back the veil of time"

Whuh?

[orchid lark]

you know

A Switch

[vale shuttle]

am i missing some time related shenanigans

[orchid lark]

wiat

[queen laurel]

Where are we driving the conversation truck off the cliff or on the road?

[orchid lark]

how old are you

if youre under 18, the conversation ends here

[rose thorn]

🍿

[rose thorn]

This is about to end poorly

[green loom]

I'm not that young

[vale shuttle]

i struggle to believe ederius is under 18

[green loom]

I'm just not 20 yet

[vale shuttle]

wtf

[queen laurel]

Well this is awkward

[orchid lark]

yeah, we'll end the conversation about switches here

[green loom]

I'm 20 in exactly 3 days

[vale shuttle]

why are there so many teenagers here

[orchid lark]

but dont worry Mag, I got the joke

[rose thorn]

Also this would be easiest Grey knight librarian kitbash ever

[green loom]

I get the joke I'm just playing ignorant

[rose thorn]

Shame every grey knight player has like 4 already

[orchid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-cry-sad-gun-aim-gif-16220733

[queen laurel]

It's better than me getting my temper overheated when i look at the stupidity of social media

Holy crap some people are so dumb

And this place is actually pretty cool

[green loom]

At least you're not a linguistics professor that uses "Himbo" as an example for blending

[vale shuttle]

wtf am i the only person above 20 here?!?!?!

AM I OLD???

[queen laurel]

I wouldn't say

[orchid lark]

Im 30 in 2 years.

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

[vale shuttle]

Lmao

[celest dome]

24

[orchid lark]

also love the Psychic hood on the librarian

[queen laurel]

Turning 17 this month

So probably the youngest in this conversation

[green loom]

[orchid lark]

hopefully theres a helmet option

[rose thorn]

How to test if you are old; how many weapons to tactical marines have

[orchid lark]

man, get this kid outta here

[vale shuttle]

im 23 fwiw

[orchid lark]

i knew this guy was young when he said he played monhun stories tf

[celest dome]

More than 1

[green loom]

Nothing's made me feel as old as some lady telling her daughter to "Give the nice man some room"

[orchid lark]

Three

[fossil void]

5

Bolter, Plasma Gun, Flamer, Rocket Launcher and Heavy Bolter

[orchid lark]

wait as options or on their person

[queen laurel]

1529?

I don't read marine lore

[fossil void]

Six if you count melee attacks as a weapon too, in which case they get combat knives

[green loom]

Don't they get Grav guns aswell

[fossil void]

Oh, wait, I forgot the Sergeant

[vale shuttle]

you cannot escape the relentless march of time

[fossil void]

Eight - Bolt Pistol and Chainsword

WAIT FUCK, one of the armoury upgrades improves Sergeant gear

[orchid lark]

depending on the chapter codex

some get a bit more

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-hand-break-gif-15611990

[fossil void]

so it's 10
Bolter, Heavy Bolter, Plasma Gun
Rocket Launcher, Flamer
Bolt Pistol, Chainsword
Plasma Pistol, Power Sword

And the knife

[rose thorn]

Okay better way to test if you are old

[fossil void]

Unless we're talking Dawn of War II

[rose thorn]

Do you play tactical marines

On table top

[fossil void]

In which case Tarkus can use any fucking thing he wants because he's fucking Tarkus

[green loom]

Tacticals can take Grav guns right

[fossil void]

Dude can be a second Devastator squad if you want
Dude can be a second fucking Cyrus if you want

[vale shuttle]

not only do i not play loyalist, i don't even know anyone who does

looks like im forever young

😎

[fossil void]

I have said multiple times to multiple people that I have never played the Tabletop

[rose thorn]

Why hasn’t primaris gotten grav guns

That seems

Very weird

[queen laurel]

Because they're getting custom-made stuff?

[fossil void]

The only two tabletop games I have played are DnD (as both player and DM) and BattleTech

[rose thorn]

It’s like right up their ally

[queen laurel]

So i bet they are getting a better grav gun

[rose thorn]

BATTLETECHHHH

I’m trying to get into it

[green loom]

I've never playead a tabletop game

[queen laurel]

I heard battletech was considered very similar to warhammer

There are even memes about it

[orchid lark]

I wanna play Settlers of Catan again...

[rose thorn]

I like federated suns

[celest dome]

I've played Tau, Admech and some fantasy and AoS army

[rose thorn]

Because ha ha knights

[fossil void]

Beyond there being a technological dark age and several wars, it's not actually all that similar
For one, people don't exterminate worlds because of HERESY and demons

They just do it because they don't want to deal with a protracted ground war

To the point it got fucking banned

[queen laurel]

I searched this up, seems like a very old board game

[fossil void]

Then unbanned because no-one followed the fucking Space Geneva Conventions anyway (and someone used the excuse that someone else didn't sign said treaty to exterminatus the fuck out of them, but got exterminatused back because the Taurian Concordat does NOT fuck around)

[orchid lark]

its quite fun with friends

[fossil void]

Then re-banned as part of an unwritten Gentlemans Agreement because so much nuking was done people were starting to run out of factories to produce stuff so hard that such things as car tyres were no longer able to be made

[queen laurel]

Can you give me a short run down on how the game works?

seems very interesting

[fossil void]

In fact all the Fun Stuff in BattleTech (XL engines, Endo-Steel structural frames, Gauss Rifles, PPCs, Pulse and ER laser weaponry) was for a long, LONG time LosTech

[orchid lark]

build your nation thing, try to make deals and trades, make roads

its on a hex grid board

[fossil void]

Not because it didn't exist. Some factories could still make the stuff
But the factories that produced and refined the stuff used to make that stuff got fucking nuked

[queen laurel]

But you can also declare war right?

[fossil void]

So the blueprints were still there, but no-one could fucking use them

[orchid lark]

nah

thatll be boring

[queen laurel]

A kingdom building game where people don't declare wars

How interesting

[orchid lark]

its funnier pissing your friends off by not letting them get the final points for like

longest road

[fossil void]

Ah yes
The game where you can't declare war, but you can red tape your rival to death

[orchid lark]

ye

[fossil void]

Isn't that like
80% of all European board games?

[orchid lark]

pretty much, its why its funny seeing grown adults start yelling at each other and laughing hysterically

[queen laurel]

So i can't declare war, but i can slowly economically grind down my rivals?

Damn I'm way too dumb for that

[orchid lark]

the "simpler" and more lighthearted a game

the more explosive it becomes

[queen laurel]

I'm way too much of a warmonger

[orchid lark]

take Diplomacy for example

that game led to a lot of divorces

[orchid lark]

dont worry, you said you were 17 right? youll grow up soon enough.

after some funny games of catan or something

[queen laurel]

Oh trust me, i am way too violent for any diplomatic games

[fossil void]

Back to ye, long story short BattleTech is arguably worse than Warhammer because of how fucking banal the reasons for war are.
There's no grand and glorious crusades. No safeguarding the future of humanity.
It's a bunch of feudal lords waving their dicks at each other, except their dick enhancements weigh upwards of 100 tonnes, can run as fast if not faster than a racecar while travelling over rough terrain, and pack ordinance that'd make most nautical battleships go green with envy

And then you look at the shit they banned and realise that it's genuinely better they're just using 'mechs and tanks rather than WarShips and conventional WMDs

[queen laurel]

So basically everyone is just waging war because well they can?

[orchid lark]

Play this with some good friends that you dont want to see anymroe

[green loom]

I'll play it with my imaginary friends

[queen laurel]

Don't have to i don't have much

[fossil void]

In a nutshell? Yes.
But they'll say it's 'reclaiming ancestral territory' or 'annexing lawless territory' or even just outright stating its a land grab and whoever is on the receiving end doesn't have a military big enough to warrant excuses.

[queen laurel]

God i'm lonely

[queen laurel]

Ah I see

[orchid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-palico-monster-hunter-rise-monster-hunter-world-mh-gif-25184238

[fossil void]

oh there's times of peace, sure. Times when all the bullets flying are border skirmishes and proxy wars fought by mercenary companies paid by the opposing sides

But there's been like

The Fall of the Star League
Succession Wars 1-3
The Dark Age
4th Succession War
Rasalhague Republic getting their independence

[queen laurel]

monster hunter stories called your companion monsters monstie, because they're your best friend monster

Yeah i do not like remembering that

[queen laurel]

and i'm Guessing the reasons those war happened is because well not for a good reason right

[fossil void]

And then 20 years after the Swedenese (Sweden-Japanese, long story) vikings get their independence from House Steiner and House Kurita, the fucking Clans came in and fucked everything up

[queen laurel]

Swedenese

[fossil void]

Fall of the Star League (basically Fall of Rome/The Emperor getting kicked in the nads) happened because some 200 odd years ago, a noble didn't get saved fast enough by the Star League Defense Forces, who went through hell to rescue a whole bunch of people. He was so fucking salty he told his kids that the Star League was trash and should die, and eventually one of his Grandkids went so fucking far into the grudge he is LITERALLY THE REASON EVERYTHING HAPPENED

Stefan Amaris is Horus, Erebus and Magnus as one person, except he is nowhere near as intelligent as any of them, merely manipulative

[queen laurel]

Wow

Just because your ancestor is salty you started an entire war

Boy that is definitely not a good reason to massacre people

[fossil void]

Then he got his shit kicked in by one Aleksandr Kerensky, who was the single most badass general to ever fucking exist and the humblest man to ever exist.
Then the First Succession War happened because the remnants of the Star League Defense Force that Kerensky commanded were so depleted they couldn't keep the core worlds of the Star League, the Terran Hegemony, protected. So the other five Houses moved in and took over what couldn't protect themselves.

Second and Third succession war I know fuck-all about, but it was mostly the same thing except Kerensky had left for deep space shortly after the First SucWar, taking about half of the SLDF with him

[queen laurel]

Damn,this goes pretty deep

[fossil void]

The half that remained became ComStar, AKA Space AT&T

AKA Shadow Wizard Money Gang

[green loom]

Hehe

SuckWar

[fossil void]

They can't cast spells though

Fourth Succession War lasted like
6 months

And was started when House Davion and House Steiner had a political marriage and alliance, and as a wedding gift Hanse Davion offered his wife Katrina Steiner the entire Capellan Confederation (a bunch of assholes).

The Confederation, quite miffed by this since they, y'know, didn't fucking consent to this at all and they like NEITHER political party, saw this as the naked declaration of war that it was and got their shit pushed in

So hard that ComStar personally intervened, staged False Flag attacks to paint the Davions in an even more negative light, and got away with it too

Also ComStar isn't just a telephone company. They are basically the fucking Illuminati and have political power and reach on par with the fucking Inquisition

It's...a mess. Their lore is a mess and it's deliberate because their founder basically made the repair and maintenance of HyperPulse Generators (AKA Space Telephone Lines) a religion because there wasn't a better way he could think for long-term memory storage without people fucking with the book

[queen laurel]

Damn

[fossil void]

So a telephone repair manual is literally the fucking bible in BattleTech

[queen laurel]

I thought warhammer 40k was overcomplicated mess

[fossil void]

The actual bible also exists - humans are still human so all religions are present where applicable

[queen laurel]

Damn

[fossil void]

Shinto in Space Japan/Draconis Combine and stuff like that

Anyway, Rasalhague getting their independence was a mess.

[green loom]

40k has a lot of stuff but it's usually very vague stuff

Usually a setting with a much smaller timeframe can get muuuuch more complicated than 40k does normally

[fossil void]

They got everything through legit channels and both the rulers of Steiner and Kuria agreed to give them independence. No strings, no nothing - Rasalhague was going to be a border state that'd keep aggression to a minimum because no-one wanted to mess with it

Then Kuritan and Steiner nationalists decided 'no, none of that happened clearly this is a ruse, DEATH TO TRAITORS' and both tried to reclaim ceded land

So they got founded, immediately got into a war so bad that the rulers of both their parent states intervened (to the point the Kuritans called the war the Ronin War, having declared all the soldiers fighting against Rasalhague as renegades) on the side of Rasalhague, confusing the hell out of the nationalists

And after 20 years the remnants of the SLDF come back having turned into something that legitimately sounds like it came out of 40k because Aleksandr Kerensky's son, Nicholas, was an asshole and ruined everything his father tried to build because he saw Stefan Amaris as someone to emulate

And promptly beat the crap out of Rasalhague so hard that on a map of the Inner Sphere, they were barely bigger than a literal thumbnail

It wasn't an easy fight (except for that one planet that, lacking actual defenders, challenged the Clanners attacking them to a football match. They lost something like 500-2 because the Clanners sent Elementals, who are genetically engineered badasses that make Space Marines look like Ratlings) and ceded the planet to them as that was the terms of the 'duel.')

After that I don't know. There's like
five more eras, and stuff just gets crazier

[queen laurel]

Holy damn

[fossil void]

Oh, right, one of the succession wars was started because the head of House Liao at the time had a dream that one of the rulers of House Steiner or Davion had been replaced by a clone, told their rivals about it, and accidentally uncovered a plot to bring the infiltrated house down because said ruler actually was replaced by a clone

[queen laurel]

An entire war happened because of a dream

Ok umm

[fossil void]

To be fair, the whole plot was uncovered by accident

[queen laurel]

How

I am very confused

[fossil void]

Hoooookay

House Liao has a problem
Their civilians are okay. They have bugger-all rights, but enough that the average Imperium peasant would think they're nobles in comparison

But their leaders? Every last one of them had something wrong in the head

The whole damn mental disorder spectrum, from Bipolar to every kind of Schizophrenia.
It's bad, and AFAIK it's all played seriously

Maximillian Liao, however, got VERY lucky
However, any Liao ruler who isn't insane gets killed by the ones who are for a myriad of reasons. So he fakes having something wrong with him

So when he told people that someone had been replaced by a clone because of a dream, they mostly just laughed it off until someone decided 'may as well check' and found out, holy crap, he's actually right

[rose thorn]

I’m so tempted to make a white scars army, but idk how much monster hunting they Really do

But I do like the aesthetic

[fossil void]

I am leaving out a LOT of details because I've forgotten most of them, but the things I do remember is that all this started literally because of a dream a Ming the Merciless-looking MF told someone that their dad was a clone spy

[queen laurel]

Ok battletech goes quite deep

[rose thorn]

Ooo battletech lore

[fossil void]

There's like
100 novels man

And unless you want Far Country to be canon, there aren't even sapient aliens

[rose thorn]

Remember when aliens were introduced into battle tech

And

[fossil void]

And most people don't count Far Country as canon

[rose thorn]

Let’s say it didn’t end well

[queen laurel]

thank you for trying to explain to me how this entire setting works

Even though

[rose thorn]

JAGSUAHh I saw that

[queen laurel]

I probably did not understand at least 90%

[rose thorn]

I mostly know space spectrum mobile lore

I need to read more federated suns

[fossil void]

Long, LONG story short, space is divided up into five feudalistic houses and a bunch of independent polities around them
They all hate each other for different reasons and punch each other in the face with multi-ton walking death machines

Tech has literally been nuked so hard that toothbrushes are considered a rarity on some planets

And then when things were going good and getting better, Mongols with Rocket Launchers attacked and decided to set up shop where they weren't kicked out

[queen laurel]

And i thought dark age of technology tech is rare

If a toothbrush is that f****** rare

I'm impressed

[fossil void]

Then Space AT&T got angry when the emergency defence league formed to fight said space mongols collapsed without turning into a new Space Empire that they decided the only way to go forward was committing every single war crime including merely theoretical ones on everyone else until they bowed down to them

Then they got war crimed back harder

Then the HPG networks blew up for no reason and the plot didn't move forward from there because the creators of BattleTech were getting the crap sued out of them

I forget the exact reason because the earlier lawsuits were because some 'mechs looked very similar to the anime that inspired their designs, but Catalyst took those out when requested

Also the mods can get angry at me if they want for shilling but there's a BattleTech kickstarter going on right now for the new Mercenaries set

3 days left as of writing

[queen laurel]

I was just interested in the lore for a bit

[fossil void]

They're nearing 6 million at the moment and there's a cookbook at the 7mil mark that I want

I don't know if they're selling it separately

[queen laurel]

But holy hell it gets deep huh

[fossil void]

I need to know how to make Wolf's Rangoon

[fossil void]

Black Pants Legion can help you wrap your head around it if you got

a week

to spare

[queen laurel]

But hey thank you for explaining the setting for me even though you could have use the time on better things

[fossil void]

np

https://youtu.be/c71x68uWd5k

If ye don't care about the 'mechs, this is a decent place to start on the lore

It's a two-parter and takes about 3 hours in total, including the self-made memes at the end of each video and the intermissions in the middle

If ye do care about the 'mechs, here's the first video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSFGE0mHg0I

[queen laurel]

Thanks man

[fossil void]

np

[rose thorn]

Also battle tech is very very cheap to play

And all the rules are online for free

Wait are they?

I think so

[fossil void]

Buying from boxes 'mechs are about 10 bucks a pop
40 for a standard IS Lance, 50 for a Clan Star, 60 for a ComStar 'X' Level

'X' being what the Level is, like Battle or Command

AUD by the by

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah what do white scars think of nids?

I know they have a unique stance on them

I forgot what tho

[urban spire]

wow that sucks

[fossil void]

Probably their idea of a fun night on the plains

[urban spire]

media stop using mental illness as a synonym for evil challenge (impossible)

[rose thorn]

I hate how media shows DiD :/

I don’t have it but one of my partners do

Apparently the way that TWW portrays Harkon isn’t terrible, but them wanting to become one again is kinda mid

I gotta ask her more about him tho

[urban spire]

it's whatever, some folks wan't to some don't

[green loom]

Technically it's your choice in game if I recall

The trailer is just set up that way since ykno, it was le funny magic artifact that caused it

[urban spire]

there's way too many depictions of DID that favour one over the other though

it's not a bad thing, just over-represented

[rose thorn]

Ah

Also fuck that movie

What was it

[green loom]

Split?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[urban spire]

never heard of it

[rose thorn]

Imagine every negative stereotype of people with DiD as a movie antagonist

[urban spire]

sick

[rose thorn]

Yea

[urban spire]

shoutsout to killer 7 though

[copper patrol]

idk if i'd count harkon for DiD since it was literally cuased by magic, but I don't have it nor do I know anyone that does, so what do I know

[urban spire]

it's in no way an accurate depiction, however, it beats ass

[rose thorn]

As in, it painted people with DID as evil

[urban spire]

yeah that was a sarcastic "sick"

[rose thorn]

Ah

Sorry I’m dumb :,(

[urban spire]

it's fine

my bad really, no tone in text

[green loom]

The guy has like what

6 personalities

Most of them are pitiable or straight up evil

And one is a literal monster

[urban spire]

anyway harkon's condition being caused by magic isn't really material, the end result is still the same

[crimson kayak]

I know a guy who's got DiD, and it's funny in a way cause 90% of the time you don't even notice the difference or shifts in personality from the outside

[urban spire]

folks get good at masking that kind of thing

[crimson kayak]

Meanwhile Split goes basically the "multiple souls in one body" explanation

[signal bramble]

The underhive lore in the new war boss book is pretty crazy.

[crimson kayak]

Yep, also not all cases of DiD go to extreme shifts, they can be much more subtle

[urban spire]

that's true

[crimson kayak]

New war book?

[signal bramble]

Warboss.

It’s an ork novel.

[crimson kayak]

Oh right

Never heard of it

[signal bramble]

It’s brand new, just came out. Highly recommend.

[urban spire]

which underhive?

[queen laurel]

What's the name

[urban spire]

or which hive, rather

[signal bramble]

Warboss

[copper patrol]

I do very good(? I think idk what other way to put this) at seperating the "wacky video game/movie character" from the real actual people who have the disorder that character is based on, especially older characters from before we understoof a lot of these things

so that probably shaped how I view it

[queen laurel]

Alright

[signal bramble]

Some planet they made up for the novel.

[queen laurel]

Hopefully i don't fall asleep reading

[signal bramble]

It shows an underhive community.

[queen laurel]

This is the book right?

[urban spire]

a gnoblar

[signal bramble]

Yup that one.

[signal bramble]

That’s a grot named Scraggy.

[urban spire]

that's fair, but people who don't have a lot of representation often find themselves looking to characters which are "close enough"

[signal bramble]

The main point of the book is that the Orks are trying to capture a webway gate so they can instantly travel to where ever they need to go. But around the webway gate.

SPOILER WARNING

||The human underhive community dress in imitation of Eldar and even wear spirit stones (not actual spirit stones but gems to imitate them). They even style their armor like them and believe the Eldar were warriors of the emperor. They’ve even lead by a seer that’s a human woman.||

[urban spire]

looks a lot like a gnoblar tho ngl

[signal bramble]

Yeah.

[queen laurel]

This is the same guy who made brutal Kunnin

[signal bramble]

Another great book.

[queen laurel]

I must say this guy's good at making orc books

[urban spire]

mike brooks' name comes up every now and then, he's a decent author?

[crimson kayak]

Sounds a lot like that regiment that started painting themselves green after fighting orks for so lonf

[urban spire]

isn't that gorkamorka

[signal bramble]

He’s the ork guy and always writes them really well.

[urban spire]

good to know, for when i inevitably get back into orks

[crimson kayak]

Oh yeah, the Diggaz

[queen laurel]

We not talk about the d word

[urban spire]

is it a slur

[queen laurel]

No, they are humans who mimic orks

[crimson kayak]

And yeah they from gorkamorka

Even had models

[urban spire]

ah, convention goers

[fossil void]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y29aGTbg62A

[urban spire]

i thought the little guys in gorkamorka were just like

tribals or something

who are really into orks

[copper patrol]

they kinda are

[crimson kayak]

Yeah confused them for a regiment but they are just the human pop of gorkamorka

[fossil void]

Yes.
Yes they are

[fossil void]

Actually there's two groups

The Digganobz and a bunch of abhumans/mutants mutated by craploads of radiation

The latter are still loyal Imperial citizens and are desperately trying to get help

[urban spire]

poor bastards

i read about them

they are getting incredibly purged if the imperium ever finds them

[signal bramble]

Apparently ||they believe the emperor purged their ancestors and they’re all that’s left. They honor him and his warriors and dress like Eldar and protect the gate. Which seems to imply that the Eldar and humans coexisted peacefully on the planet before big E showed up.||

[urban spire]

not impossible, ||the eldar's main issue with humans is that they're usually xenophobic little shits, otherwise they're indifferent to friendly||

deldar notwithstanding

[green loom]

Yeah

"friendly"

[fossil void]

Now I gotta wonder if actual soulstones work for humans

[signal bramble]

I imagine psykers could probably do it with sufficient power.

[coarse pumice]

the main issue with humans is their warp presence is less focussed iirc

so it'll be harder to get a bearing with it

[urban spire]

human souls have been captured before in one way or another

a soulstone is a devices which does that precise thing

i imagine it could be made to work

[summer rover]

soulstones are tuned to eldar psychic energies, you'd need to make a new vareity for humans.

the eldar probably cloud do that, but don't care about monkey souls.

[rose thorn]

time for my rant about how much im in a love hate relationship with grey knights!

[queen laurel]

The eldar are way to arrogant for for even that idea to come up

[rose thorn]

jk

[queen laurel]

Because they would be disgusted if they think of that

[fossil void]

The Harlequins could probably think it up

Since they're the fuckin' Harlequins

[arctic talon]

Also soulstones are a very limited resource

And I doubt the eldar are gona use them on humans when they’re the one thing that stops their soul being eaten

[urban spire]

pretty sure chaos has made human soulstones a bunch of times, but as a torture device

[queen laurel]

Why am i not surprised

[summer rover]

chaos makes crap versions of other people's stuff all the time.

weapons, planets, space marines.

[meager zinc]

Its gotta be depressing being Guilliman right now

You wake up. Shits all fucked. Dad wont help. All you bros are gone or are assholes. You try to fix things but you cant take one step with something going wrong.

I hope someone near him has told him he's doing better then a lot of people have in last couple 1000 years at least 🥹

And I don't think even The Emperor had to deal with something as huge as The Great Rift, right?

Imagine waking up and a giant cleaver cut your country in half.

Cant call ya moms, ya fwb, cant get your old car in storage, nothin

[fossil void]

At least Johnson's awake, I guess

[crimson kayak]

The ruinstorm?

[rose thorn]

oh yeah how are ynnari characters written

in general really

[arctic talon]

As normal eldar

[rose thorn]

ah

[arctic talon]

The dark eldar are less insane

And less all about torturing

Mostly since they don’t need to now

[rose thorn]

harlequins?

wouldnt them joining the ynnari be kind a betraying their vows to the laughing god

[arctic talon]

Still weird

[rose thorn]

i refuse to spell his name

[arctic talon]

He loans them out

So to speak

[rose thorn]

ah

[arctic talon]

They still ultimately serve him

But they work with the ynnari because

He tells them to

[rose thorn]

outside of the noraml eldar stuff

how do they usually look asthetically

[arctic talon]

They also are generally much less scared of dying

Reds

[rose thorn]

compared to a normal drukhari/eldar

[arctic talon]

They like a maroon red

For any eldar who want to wear the colors of the ynnari

Otherwise they wear whatever colors

They formerly had

[rose thorn]

oh

[arctic talon]

With ynnari symbols

[rose thorn]

i was expecting diet drukhari tbh

[arctic talon]

Their druhkahri dress like this

[rose thorn]

wow thats a nice red

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Their eldar guardians have similar colors

If they choose to wear ynnari colors

[rose thorn]

what about culturally?

[arctic talon]

Culturally they’re like a mix between a normal craftworld and corsairs

They have multiple roaming ships

In a large group

Instead of 1 big ship

[rose thorn]

so kinda like religious space pirates kinda

AAA ILOVE THIS MODEL SO MUCH

AAAA

[green loom]

Pog old world reveals on sunday

It only took them what

5 years?

[rose thorn]

OH YEAH THAT EXISTS

[arctic talon]

If you couldn’t tell he is an incubus

And he’s in charge of a big chunk of the incubi under the ynnari

[rose thorn]

i genuine think its not gonna be good

old world

[arctic talon]

I think the models are gona be good

I think the rules are gona still suffer from the same issue as fantasy

Where you need a ton of chaff

[rose thorn]

oh yeah the plastic models will be great for kitbashes

[green loom]

Plastic models?

[rose thorn]

the only part im sad about compared from my expierence in aos to Total warhammer is bretonnia

[undone zodiac]

Wonder if they reveal launch date on the votann beastmen box

[rose thorn]

but cities is basically the same thing

[arctic talon]

Old world is a mix of resin and plastic

I’d assume

Cities is nothing like bretonnian armies

[undone zodiac]

I sincerely hope it wont sell out before i can even order it

[arctic talon]

Mostly since bretonnia was whoops all Calvary

[rose thorn]

yeah

i mean i print models and proxy lol

[arctic talon]

Oh

Lmao

[rose thorn]

with the so and so crusades releasing there will probably be a new cavilary

based off the single image we got

its either a plastic uhhhHh

[arctic talon]

We got new funny flying horse minis

[rose thorn]

plastic demigryphs or a new cav

sorry i had to look up the name because griffins are apparently stuck behind the LoTR payw all

[copper patrol]

they have gryphons as well

demigryphs can't fly

[rose thorn]

yee but the helmets looked like the demis

[copper patrol]

I mean idk if they have any gryphon in aos actually

but in fantasy they did

[rose thorn]

they do

its for leaders only tho

im sorry what the fuck is this lmao

what is anything in this picture

[copper patrol]

I think bretonnia could get hippogryphs as basic units(but they aren't in aos)

uh

looks like extra bits you can add on?

can you link where you see that

[rose thorn]

its dwan bringer stuff let me find the community apge

dawnbringer crusades

[copper patrol]

hopefully they make cities not just "you can run these with stromcast"

[signal bramble]

Brettonia had a unit of crazy peasants that carried around a reliquary of stuff belonging to fallen grail knights.

[rose thorn]

im pretty sures basically a cities subfaction

[signal bramble]

That’s what it looks like to me.

[copper patrol]

man, I really like that axe the termi librarian has

[rose thorn]

https://spikeybits.com/2022/10/gw-previews-more-aos-cities-of-sigmar-dawnbringer-crusades.html

i cant find te community

but heres the spiky bits

[languid salmon]

#darktide-memes well genestealer cults will protect the planet they're on if it gets invaded by non-tyranids and threatens the cult. that said most of the time they just hide and pretend to be loyal citizens until the day of accession

@gleaming patrol while genestealer cultist don't really stop being genestealer cultist the cult of the bladed cog is what happens when a genestealer cult gets going on a forge worlds so you do get adeptus mechanicus genestealers cultists

[crimson kayak]

"4 armed emperor? Mine can fit atleast 100 Mechandrites"

[storm jungle]

You joke but thats a pretty good homebrew naming scheme actually

[gleaming patrol]

Day of Ascension?

something rebel of genestealer in bad work place in the forge within Adaptus Mechanicus?

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats the plot of the book

its pretty good

[languid salmon]

the day of ascension is the day the cult plans to rise up and overthrow the government of the planet which is also when the tyranids arrive

[gleaming patrol]

aye

[signal bramble]

I’ve read it. It’s fun.

And it really characterizes the gsc.

With some horrifying implications at the end to boot.

[summer rover]

i wonder what happens when the hive fleet heading to a planet get splatted by naval forces before reaching the planet where the cult revolts

do they like panic or just go out swinging?

[signal bramble]

A hive fleet is more than a match for the imperial navy.

It would take an absolutely massive imperial navy force to threaten a hive fleet.

[summer rover]

smaller branches of the fleet are picked off all the time. it's pretty rare they throw the whole-ass force at a single planet.

[signal bramble]

You didn’t specify a tendril. You said a hive fleet.

[summer rover]

i don't care, either. it was implied.

although it'd be funny if a whole hive fleet was headed to a planet and they just ended up conga-lining into a black hole while the cult was fighting wildly against the planet's guard regiment.

[signal bramble]

I don’t know about that.

But anyway, a tendril would depend on the size and what they’re facing. A hive fleet tendril of sufficient power would see a navy flotilla and fly right towards the swarm of angry treats.

They might even let one escape with a genestealer or lictor in tow.

[summer rover]

you just gonna ignore the entire point of what i said?

[signal bramble]

Oh about them going down swinging? Probably yeah they would. A cornered beast is extremely dangerous as they say.

I imagine they’d make a point to stick a genestealer/lictor on one or more ships though.

That’s something we always see.

[summer rover]

it'd still be pretty funny them going all "the time is nigh" only for the signal to suddenly go "change of plans, good luck"

[signal bramble]

It is possible to lure them away.

[summer rover]

you're extremely no fun.

[signal bramble]

:p

[odd palm]

The cult could very well could take control the of planet when they revolt, as likely they’ve made the necessary preparations

Another hive fleet can always make a pit stop

[storm jungle]

Also cults can sometimes take over entire systems too

theres a reason GSC are extremely underrated when it comes to the real threat they can pose

[green loom]

They're like chaos cults

In other words

Fucking everywhere

[summer rover]

they're everywhere until the impirium sends an force to make them not be there anymore, such is the 40k universe. insane hyperbole on all fronts forever.

[storm jungle]

When the fortress was being sent into the planet an entire planetary evacuation was called.

Most Cadians got out, some didnt, a certain group of Cadian refugees also settled in a forgeworld which made them into servitors lol

[arctic talon]

not servitors

smh

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Skitarii unless they couldn't shoot a gun

then they got turned into gun servitors

[storm jungle]

😩

[arctic talon]

no point in wasting all that training lol

The option of get conscripted or starve

truly an adeptus mechanicus moment

[storm jungle]

Lobotomy Moment

[arctic talon]

also funnily enough

they're the new "gate" against the eye of terror

Which means they aren't really exporting war material anymore because it literally comes out of the factories

straight onto a battlefield

because the planet occasionally takes a dip into the eye now

[green loom]

Yes

There's still surviving regiments

And also new colonies that carry on Cadian traditions

Judging by the Hammer and Bolter animation they may have pretty bad attrition rates for the veteran Regis due to them being mega prideful and stubborn

[signal bramble]

The number evacuated from cadia per the novel was around 2-3 million.

[green loom]

+cadian regiments deployed elsewhere that survived

[signal bramble]

And according to the 9th edition Guard codex the majority of them have become a fleet based regiment who use their travel time between warzones to replenish their numbers and make children.

[green loom]

They're gonna make the Rock: Cadia edition before long

[signal bramble]

Keep in mind that Cadian reproduction isn’t love or romance based, according to the Cadian Blood novel they have breeding programs where it’s all organized.

So yeah, everything about them maintaining their numbers has been given an explanation in lore. :x

[storm jungle]

Its been that way since the 8th edition guard codex yeah

[storm jungle]

God that episode was so bad

"Cadia stands..." the guy whos literally half dead and bleeding out says manning the MG nest facing literally nothing

Just planets

[crimson kayak]

Mechanicus literally be playing a strategy game skirmish mode once in a while

[storm jungle]

Its usually just heavily militarised worlds anyway

[arctic talon]

There was a hive city

With cadian traditions

In the cadian sector

Guess what happened to it

[storm jungle]

OWNED

[arctic talon]

Starts with a Kai and ends with a ros

[crimson kayak]

God the mental image of millions of cutthroat voicelines suddenly silencing made me feel better

[arctic talon]

Agrapina also funnily enough lost it’s biggest customer during the fall of Cadia

[crimson kayak]

An event from the 13th crusade i find funny is the Cacophony of Extremis Six, where some fuckhead thought a bunch of drop troops and some tempestus could take on the emperor's children using sonic weapons that could level starscrapers

[arctic talon]

Genius

[crimson kayak]

Also apparently fulgrim woke up from his gaming chair just for this and killed a bunch of them to then go back being useless

[signal bramble]

He’ll be back for 10th so hopefully he does something.

[rose thorn]

Heyyyy, can anyone recommend any white scar books?

[rose thorn]

Wait, Kor'sarro Khan Cannonically has a bike he uses, but

He doenst use it on table top?

I get why they didn’t give him a bike on table top

But damn :/

[green loom]

He came out before the Primaris bike models

[open pumice]

This is the fulgrim way

[orchid lark]

Ngl i think hunt for voldorius might be their only major book

[open pumice]

Scars

Path of heaven

warhawk

they're all horus heresy

but theyre banger books

[orchid lark]

They got lots of short stories

Im trying to think whether they got successor stories but Im drawing blanks

[odd palm]

The Silent Hunters have a novel iirc

No it's Dark Hunters

They've got a novel and a short story where they're front and centre

Dark Hunters: Umbra Sumus and The Blind King

[green loom]

Just saw someone unironically say that since Yarrick beat an Ork, he's faster than bullets

[odd palm]

lmao

[burnt cedar]

Hey, why did mechanicus ban Ion tech?

[arctic talon]

Machine spirit no like it

Wether that has any actual like reasoning

[vale shuttle]

40k fans are something else

maybe i can convince them the emperor can breathe in space cause he put the dragon on Mars in the middle ages

[celest dome]

Didn't Guilliman survive getting vented into space ?

[green loom]

Ye

And was actively fighting for a while after

In the vacuum

[vale shuttle]

:|

[crimson kayak]

Tbf when you are a psychic demigod that's one of the more plausible things

insert meme of Leia flying through space in Last Jedi but with the emperor

[orchid lark]

if the emperor can shapeshift and change his height

he can breathe in space

have you seen how crazy some old turkish people can be

well

"turkish" he's technically pre turkey

[crimson kayak]

That guy be like

[orchid lark]

i mean thats the correct way to call out a fallacy

[green loom]

Maybe not old but we've all met Dilara

[crisp heath]

If turks get crazier as they get older, Dilara must be a Great Old One

[queen laurel]

I've seen someone say because of this, female empress emperor is canon

[crisp heath]

The Emperor is said to have taken female form several times in canon, it's just not shown because GW loves huge, sweaty men

Also totally acceptable in the Imperium to worship an Empress as long as it doesn't deviate too much from the Imperial Creed

[orchid lark]

Gender Fluid, and Im getting thirsty

[coarse pumice]

Did he achieve rebis

[queen laurel]

There it is

[green loom]

It's Malcador saying it i think

[coarse pumice]

He would know, being the Emperor

[undone zodiac]

No wonder malcador simped him so hard

[vale shuttle]

im pretty saure we literally had this exact conversation about femperor

im pretty sure it was less than a week ago actually

goddamn are we already on repeat wtf

[celest dome]

Not like there is much else to do

[vale shuttle]

i'm sure i'll figure out some question that can start a truly great conversation

[odd palm]

Welcome to the server Yalma. Where the same 10 questions are posted on repeat

[vale shuttle]

yes i know ive been here a while

[odd palm]

Now, are you after a great convo or great argument?

Because mentioning the space wolves at different times of day can spark either

[vale shuttle]

now see i'd be lying if i didn't say i loved to argue

but i also want to .like, get some painting done or play as video game so i can't participate in an argumment

[green loom]

Go into the meme channel and mention something that opposes the hive mind

Like "Sicarius is not bad"

[odd palm]

Like how mid DT is on a DT server?

A classic starting point

[vale shuttle]

i once posted a meme i genuinely thought was a fun little meme about space marines and the cognitive dissonance i experience when painting them cause they fash and i dont like fash

i got like, 4 or 5 different people indignantly responding to it

[green loom]

I love fash!
Fashion

[odd palm]

[orchid lark]

He kinda isnt

The Damnos Incident book is purddy good

[green loom]

I know

I liked Knights of Macragge

At least what little I've read of 8t

[copper patrol]

Wasn't his whole issue he was like the target for a lot of the ultramarine Mary sueism "back in the day"

[vale shuttle]

unfortunately cato sicarius will forever be stuck with a memeified reputation, because 80% of the 40k community just loves to revel in their decade-old memes

[vale shuttle]

yes

[orchid lark]

Yeah his codex entry was super mary sueish

[green loom]

And then TTS made it worse

[orchid lark]

But his books showed a leader/captain trying his best

[vale shuttle]

i love TTS, but TTS reinforced all the worst elements of 40k meme culture

[orchid lark]

Although he was a bit of a dick in the Ventris novels

But understandly so

[orchid lark]

Youre right and im glad someone else says the truth

[green loom]

Yeah but doesn't he pull Ventris' ass out of the fire

[orchid lark]

He does but he still is a dick but there were stuff happening

Doesnt make him less of an awesome and okay dude

[odd palm]

I mean as is the case with a lot of unoriginal 40k “””memes””” is they have a tiny shred of truth and tonnes of subjectivity

[copper patrol]

I think the two 40k memes that annoy me are: space wolves are furries and salamanders kill elder children

[green loom]

Ye he has an ego but he's Knight Champion of the UM right? Pretty much their best melee fighter?

[orchid lark]

Elder children, you mean teens. (Jokes)

[odd palm]

Well salamanders aren’t the only ones who kill Eldar children…..arguably the UMs killed more by cleansing a craftworld during the GC iirc

[orchid lark]

I kinda appreciate that Guilliman took sicarius around because he reminds him of another son

[copper patrol]

It's just like someone will bring up either liking salamanders or painting them

[vale shuttle]

salamsnders kill eldar children is kinda ok because it helps ground the fact that the spacce maarines are all enforcers of a fascist empire

[vale shuttle]

oh yeah this is fucking stupid i hate it

[copper patrol]

The you get "but they kill elder children"

[green loom]

Yeah but the thing is they don't stop at children

[odd palm]

Oh nvm they did it in m41

[vale shuttle]

this also happens if you post any xeno content, or often chaos content too, people will be like "haha heretic!!! you're a heretic!!! purge the xenos. ims o fucking funny laugh"

[copper patrol]

I mean wasn't it a) just Vulcan that did it and b) didn't he feel bad

[green loom]

No one bats an eye when you tell them BA aspirants have to walk through a desert only to fight a melee against other kids before starting their training, or how the Mentors' serfs are kept in crappy conditions and wear the flayed skin of their parents' as capes

[orchid lark]

They love saying Cato and Kaldor are mary sues

[copper patrol]

But you kill one elder teen in a blood rage

[orchid lark]

But ignore the fact Ragnar Blackmane did more mary sue shit

[green loom]

Or any of the older Calgar books

[orchid lark]

Loses a primarch relix

Lol ragnar go to terra

[copper patrol]

I know little of drago other then I have heard he does some like dummy stupid stuff

[odd palm]

As you’ve probably come across most of the time, if someone’s using rung out, old memes to clown on something in 40k.

It’s because said faction/sub faction isn’t their cup of tea and are using the easiest way to attack them

[green loom]

Think he killed not only the kid, but more Eldar and a bunch of civilians too

[orchid lark]

In a long span of time

Compared to less than a hundred years for ragnae

[copper patrol]

Night lords killer the civies

And his friend

[orchid lark]

Throws spear hurts magnus, goes to terra and works with navigators, does some more mary sue shit

Suddenly captain of a wolf company

What

[green loom]

Doesn't he banish Magnus

[copper patrol]

Which really pissed him off, leading to him killing the teen

[green loom]

He also kills a big wolf before he's a marine

The Magnus thing also happens while he's a low ranked goon iirc

[orchid lark]

Yeah

[green loom]

Then he duels a Dark Angels champion, loses, then stabs him in the back and kills him

[orchid lark]

The Blood Angel captain lost a relic of sanguinius and was punished

Ragnar loses a relic and is sent to terra as banishment

[copper patrol]

That's based tho DA are kinda cring sometimes

[orchid lark]

The blood angels comic what was it called again?

[copper patrol]

I am more or less joking btw

[odd palm]

I mean is this much of a surprise. More than any other first founding, the Vylka Fenrika or however you spell it correctly are the exception to the rule

[crimson kayak]

He killed the Eldar teen, a whole other bunch of eldars on that planet and an entire population of Nocturne descendants that were taken slave by DE and then got freed by the eldars on the planet

[orchid lark]

To what rule

[green loom]

Yeah but ykno wolves fans get off on them being honourable barbarians meanwhile they're just a bunch of inconsistent savages

[copper patrol]

I like the space wolves

[orchid lark]

Except the wolves arent barbarians, they have culture and poetry

Like actual vikings

[vale shuttle]

well i know someone you should meet!!!!!

[orchid lark]

Space Wolves fans dont pay attention to that

[odd palm]

this looks like bait to me

[copper patrol]

Cease

Zero yaks them off

[orchid lark]

And just assume unga bunga space wolves kill rawr

[green loom]

Read Lukas

He is space wolf red pill

[odd palm]

Red pill

Sus

[orchid lark]

Red Rocket

[copper patrol]

Lukas is also very based

[green loom]

Susan membrane

[copper patrol]

Didn't he like, put an inquisitor in a pen with horni grox

[odd palm]

The Space Wolves were a more refined lineage in terms of poetry and culture back in the crusade era.

Where the canis helix malfunctions and their gene-seed degradation wasn’t their defining trait

[crimson kayak]

Sadly space wolves are treated mostly like actual vikings in media, aka not showing 80% of their culture except Big Axe and Raid

[copper patrol]

Just add wolves into that

[orchid lark]

Dont remind me

[copper patrol]

And a lot of random ice stuff

Because you know

[crimson kayak]

Got the ttw kislev treatment

[copper patrol]

Vikings live in cold

[odd palm]

Though of the two “””””barbarian””””” legions as dubbed by outsiders.
The White Scars have a lot more culture and intrigue going for them tbh, but that’s my WS bias talking

[orchid lark]

Despite most space wolves are recruited in the not cold parts of the planet

Because the cold parts are uninhabitable

Just living on islands raiding each other to survive

Its literally how to train your dragon lmao

[crimson kayak]

Tabletop: We're Rus/Eastern Europe Inspired

TTW: Ice and Bears

[copper patrol]

WS are probably my like 3-4th favorite group of space marines

[odd palm]

As the White Scars were kind of a blank slate. Where as the Space Wolves had a defined and frankly strange starting point in 40k and the writers had to walk it back to something a little more sensible in the GC

[vale shuttle]

||make the next chapter master of the space wolves a hiccup twink please||

[crimson kayak]

Qin'Xa has one of the best fucking armour ever

[orchid lark]

Ragnar Blackmane as chapter master has been called here

[odd palm]

Blackmane? The lad who decapitated Ghazghul?

[orchid lark]

Local Old Man Grimnar fell from a hive city roof, Ragnar Blackmane is now GreatWolf because fuck all of you

[odd palm]

More likely that Grimnar would fall to chaos and be replaced by one not corrupted

[orchid lark]

You what

[odd palm]

Mhm, his Khorne axe

[green loom]

Ye he uses a Khornate axe lol

I forget if it's a daemon weapon or no

[orchid lark]

He exorcised it or some shit

[green loom]

But it's 100% nasty business

[odd palm]

I haven’t read the SoF but the Lex states it to be a weapon forged by Khorne

[orchid lark]

Although its not new news that The Imperium does sometimes exorcise things and reuse it

[odd palm]

Now to me there’s a difference between a chaos weapon and a weapon corrupted by chaos and cleansed

[orchid lark]

It was a power axe used by a chaos lord

Grimnar took it

Cleansed it

And used it for himself

Whilst he rides on sleigh

[green loom]

He reforged it

[orchid lark]

And delivers presents

[crimson kayak]

Morkai is not safe, as when he wounds magnus with it Khorne gets amused

[green loom]

Apparently it retains some warpyness

[orchid lark]

Like the rune priests in the GC era

[crimson kayak]

It's not a daemon weapon through

[orchid lark]

Nah bro we draw our powers from Fenris

Not the warp

[odd palm]

I wonder if anyone has an excerpt about that axe from the Siege of Fenris because I’ve seen people claim either it’s perfectly safe or completely unsafe without a passage to back up either claim

[crimson kayak]

Just an axe that stayed too much in the hands of chaos guy

[queen laurel]

I have to give it to fenris they have to produce some mad beliefs if they can do that crap

[crimson kayak]

It's safe to use, but apparently Khorne is still connected to it and is one of the only things that can wound magnus daemon form

[odd palm]

Fenris has a small deity of chaos and so did….Caliban?

[crimson kayak]

Caliban had chaos artifacts not entities

[orchid lark]

Fenris has fucking ancient Tyranids

What doesnt it goddamn have

[orchid lark]

Sadly it was their copium

[queen laurel]

Please tell me that's not true

[odd palm]

Sane inhabitants?

[orchid lark]

Those exist at the north near the volcanoes

They make the weapons and whatnkt

[green loom]

Caliban was a chaos artifact

[odd palm]

It’s speculated that the Fenrisian Kraken is an ancient ancestor of the Tyranids iirc

[orchid lark]

As a result they dont get picked for space marines

[crisp heath]

Krakens iirc are believed to be feral nids

[queen laurel]

I swear to god, if there's a remotely terrifying creature in a planet it's always the god damned tyranids

[odd palm]

True, Vashtorr got his prize using caliban

[vale shuttle]

so did fenris just get invaded by tyranids like 15K yewars before anyone else?

[crisp heath]

Fenris also has non-nid giant monsters so it's cool

[orchid lark]

Who knows maybe the ancient vaults in terra also has ancient tyranids

[crimson kayak]

Technically still didn't fully as he's not ascended

But he's on his way there for sure

[queen laurel]

Hey that's a positive, honestly i'm just tired of tyranids being always the reason of monsters evolving into ancient horrors

[orchid lark]

On Baal, there are organisms that look like water that steals the water from your body

Dante made bunch of blood angels and sucessors make a moat

Fill it with thirstwater

[odd palm]

The thing with Fenris, Catachan and whoever else, likely had very early vanguard incursions land on those planets. That or it’s from a Necron sending part of a hive fleet through time, I think back in time

[orchid lark]

Bunch of tyranids died to it

[crisp heath]

The Last Ditch dates a tyranid bioship as having died in M34

[green loom]

Early scout fleets were around in the heresy already no

[crisp heath]

So they've been in the galaxy way before the attack on Tyran

[orchid lark]

Yeah they just didnt look the same

Spooky

[crisp heath]

Tyranids notice the galaxy in the last horus heresy novel

Wait no I got books mixed up bad

Like real bad

That was in Pharos

[vale shuttle]

horus heresy still has one book left in it

[desert dust]

first book set on murder had mega arachnids that where basically nids

[vale shuttle]

im so excited for the 912th book in the series!!!

[crisp heath]

Megarachnids were just minor xenos, not nids

[desert dust]

im not so sure they were apparently modified by the xenos human emipre that beat them and then force devolved them to never be capable of space travel

[orchid lark]

yeah

interex

some pest or some shit

[crisp heath]

They use metal tools, didn't eat the entire planet, and apparently weren't a hivemind, they were nothing like nids

[green loom]

People blame Erebus for things going bad with the Interex but imo things would've gone sour anyway

They seemed to be pretty horrified of Horus and Co using warp travel iirc

[desert dust]

yeah WARMASTER seemed like a pretty bad name

[vale shuttle]

the interex were just going to get invaded eventually

even if horus and co weren't gonna do it, eventually the emperor would be like "alright kids let's go invade and exterminate those filthy xeno-loving heretics!!!"

and then the primarchs would all say "yaaay"

[crisp heath]

Eldar: hey there's this thing called chaos that's really bad just wanted to give you a heads up

Interex: thanks! Can you tell us what it looks like so we can recognize it and not have to become completely paranoid whenever we encounter foreigners?

Eldar:

Interex:

Eldar: anyway yall have a good day

[orchid lark]

so thats where emperor learned it from

how to not tell people shit

[green loom]

The Eldar are the OG manipulative twats so sounds about right

[desert dust]

im sorry but thats need to know info

just be better

[queen laurel]

This is basically why a lot of their plans fail

just tell us what you saw

[desert dust]

I always find it funny how the emperor thought he could just talk to konrad and after that he would be completely fine but spent 20 years after konrad blew up his planet doing nothing to help him.

[green loom]

Just a quirky little mistake tee hee

[crisp heath]

So like I get Emps cut the Word Bearers some slack with the whole religion thing because he had some spare custodes to watch them

But how the actual fuck did erebus get away with having literal Chaos scriptures tattooed on his head

[desert dust]

probably give him the equivalent of elector shock therpy with warp powers to drive the visons out

[orchid lark]

the emperor allowed the people of Baal to worship Sanguinius still

Emperor was lenient on a lot of things

Sang begged obviously for Emperor to show mercy and allow it tho

[crisp heath]

Yeah but here's the thing

[odd palm]

Likely an oversight on the author or the Custodes aren’t familiar with the scripture. Who knows

[crisp heath]

Sanguinius wasn't a chaos god

[orchid lark]

its also sanguinius

we all love him

[desert dust]

i only ever read the one book from HH about sang and tbh hes kinda boring

hes just a angry feely sort of dude

its just love empra love sons hate how angry my sons get

like i like fulgrim from book 5 way more or perty from book 23

[storm jungle]

Thats a pretty fair opinion

at the end of the day Sanguinius is cool but super one-note

if he didnt have too much of a good design either people would just say "Yeah he died to Horus, it was pretty sad."

[vale shuttle]

sanguinius' primary character trait is being dead

his other one is being perfect

[orchid lark]

He cares too much

He’s too much of many things

Very tragedy prone

[green loom]

He has about as much flavor as unseasoned chicken

[orchid lark]

But i love it

Also unnecessary cruel from time to time

[green loom]

Like that time he made the BA Gestapo to kill anyone who showed bad signs

[vale shuttle]

someone who is "unnecessarily cruel" can't "care too much"

all primarchs are bastards

[orchid lark]

When they say he has the emperors soul, they also meant the worse parts

[desert dust]

Yeah i don't mind one note characters at all like angron is honesty pretty fun to read about since you know he's just a self pitting child or a angry rage monster

[vale shuttle]

angron is an allegory for mental illness

[green loom]

Perturabo reminds me of me, only I'm incompetent

[orchid lark]

You love robots and playing with minis

[desert dust]

Only I'm allowed to be incompetent

[orchid lark]

Fulgrim to the war council

[desert dust]

More like every traitor primarch when something goes bad

[green loom]

No but i wallow in self pity and can't socialize

[orchid lark]

He socialized, mostly with his sister

And probably to the robots

Or to his brothers before he beats them up cause he’s fed up with them

[green loom]

Remember that time Fulgrim stripped for him

[orchid lark]

When the primarchs are left on their own

They can get kinda stupid

[vale shuttle]

basically angron has something in his brain that forces him to act in ways that are counterproductive and damaging to himself and others. like many mentally ill people he knows what he's doing is wrong, he knows that the things he does are cruel and evil and he hates himself for it, but he literally cannot help himself. many severely mentally ill people will do things they know are damaging to their own self interests but they do it anyway because of that thing in your brain.

angron is never understood by his brothers (the rest of society) and is never treated in a comprehensive way, instead being used and chewed up by the emperor. angron is simply abused and tormented, and not once does anyone take his pain seriously, just expecting him to suck it up and power through it. indeed, it is because of the fact that no-one truly works to help him, and that he is unable to help himself, that he eventually falls to chaos - who prey on emotion instability.

and mentally ill people are often the most emotionally unstable.

[near wasp]

The emperor should of just pulled the plug on angron while he was on the operating table, and make a new body for his soul to inhabit. If his soul was even salvageable at that stage

[orchid lark]

Assuming his soul will still keep the calming aura ability

Plus they did prove cloning primarch bodies work

But not enough time or emperor didnt want to waste time

[near wasp]

he could of keep angron on ice

dealt with it later

[orchid lark]

Youd think the emperor couldve used his powers to pull out the nails or something

[near wasp]

big e said it would of killed angron

[orchid lark]

And its not like the other architect of the primarchs was dead

Erda and the other scientists couldve done something

[near wasp]

her heart would of broke seeing the state of angron

[orchid lark]

In fact its kinda referenced a lot that the primarchs did go to terra for stuff

[crimson kayak]

especially considering it was Erda who threw them the fuck into the warp wasn't it?

[orchid lark]

Heres your protocol lessons okay bye

[near wasp]

she would of seen the nails as her fault likely

[orchid lark]

If the emperor slowly saw his the primarchs as sons

I think Erda wouldve gone the other way

She wouldve become more interested with them on a scientific level