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had one of these too
did they really stack on the Space Marine Nobody characters in 7th edition?
7th onwards even
I'm looking through the miniatures collection on the wiki, and at some point there's a load of units with random character names (rather than generic unit names)
Silver -> darker silver and black?
or the alternative (i.e. camo) scheme?
A head on shark as the chapter icon was one of the choices of all time
The first one looks kinda awful if you'd ask me.
The dark silver is great.
It might even be the same just with different lightning
i.e. normal lighting and grimdark lighting
I just applied during the mod trials and got the job, I don't know how either 
I was thinking of the yellow one but it still has the horrible chapter symbol anyway
The perspective on that shark man
the yellow one was just a camo pattern
back when space marines had camo
it has half a stock?
Its an older variation sir, but it checks out
the magazine is weirdly forward on the gun
I mean this is gw we are talking about
when have they ever designed logical weapons
Yeah that was what the old bolters were like lmao
like you had to put your hand BEHIND the magazine since the mag was like under the end of the fucking barrel
weird design choice
it was the 90's
they're coming for you and your weird opinions
Would it matter with a bolter
in the early 90s the magazine started to be moved back anyway
i guess if they're mostly holding the bolters one handed it doesn't really matter
yeah the front heavy design was pretty much only during 1st edition (rogue trader)
It kinda stuck around in some 30k artwork
btu after that it was entirely dropped yeah
yeah that it did
would be cool if it was the old design of the bolter during the great crusades
my favourite's the 125068th one
Why is 30k so bloated
Money.
Is this why the admech discourages advancement
LMAO
If yes then I finally understand
would most of these be considered archeotech
Prolly not
This is like the cartel 50cal SMG of boltguns
its very funny
from what i hear GW used to be way more into letting people make their own shit up
i love how the tigrus pattern is stated to be one of the most advanced patterns without saying why it's advanced
the GTA: San Andreas logic 🙏
it's the 'new' one during the end heresy
great so now whenever i read a horus heresy book i have to take into account all these guns
Enjoy hell 
I wouldn't be surprised if there something called a Bolt bazooka
What do you mean uhhh

Of course there is a bazooka bolter
Where's the bullpup
Heavy bolter I mean
Oh lmao
Also that got changed and is now fed from the side 
YUP 
was that one satire?
That one was British people not understanding how to make guns
It's the Bolter used by Azreal so I don't think so
Also the
Rebellion
they really slapped everything as an underbarrel gun huh
Yeah i know i like ridiculous weapons but like
Tbh all combi weapons have under barrel
Like things
Some of these are very surprising
i know i know but it's still funny
iirc the reason for that bigass sink on the back of the gun
Is because they couldn't fit the actual gun on the model
So it was supposed to be like this
Prolly is lol
are combi weapons even useful on the tabletop
Yeah
You can fire the shot on its own
Or fire both for a penalty
Or just the bolter
are both guns as powerful as their standalone variants
I don't play the tabletop but i can imagine ork combi weapons can turn the oxygen into projectiles
Lol
They’re as powerful as their normal rifle varients
isn't that literally what plasma guns do
Yes
Oh shit you're right
wtf so there's no reason to not use them?
ooooh
They aren’t free
Aren't they only on some units also
Yeah
Behold the kombi rokkit
keychain attachment for extra utility
Average flashgitz weaponry
Yes but they're basically a term for a custom Kombi weapon
Snazz guns are a funny combo of plasma and heavy bolters
Meaning they melt anything you can actually hit
why do they look so unorkish
To be honest snazz gunz are pretty much custom weaponry that are very very expensive in ork society
The higher the quality of the guns the more unorky they look
Tends to be a very reoccurring thing
i need more ork weaponry
I am truly a master of the comedic arts
i love the miniminigun
do you have images of those mechs that the lesser orks use
Gorkann Morkann
The stompas or the killa kans?
Very well are you interested in a gun that shoots the weakest ork organism and that Organism into a violent killing machine?
The shokk attack gun
Results may vary
Aren't all orks violent killing machines?
Not the snotlings, those guys are so weak a Gretchen could beat them
yes lets take this gremlin, fire it through hell and let it reappear inside an enemy's body after it has gone utterly insane and it will rip it's way out of there
orks are amazing
Hell a child with a butter knife can kill them
Ah the ork dreadnought, the deff dread
are nids generally stronger than orks
I mean probably most of the time
They are genetically engineered to be very strong so
I would very much not be surprised if their muscle fibers are engineered very well
What nid
Larger nids yes
Smaller nids no
A tyranid warrior is gona rip an ork boy in half and be an equal match for a nob
i mean in a general all nid vs all ork war
While a hormagaunt is easy pickings for an ork
It usually stalemates lmao
Whoever wins comes out stronger
so they're both equally strong at attrition?
And at that point tyranids keep getting bigger, don't expect an average ork to win against a carnifex
more like fighting makes orks stronger and gives the nids more biomass and time to evolve
Yeah
In octarius the nids won
Just read about the orktarius war
If someone feels like keeping them in check they can keep a stalemate going more or less forever
Because the tyranids keep on adapting that they eventually find out the weaknesses of the orks and find a way to beat it
Also the imperium and chaos
Started fucking around
And generally harmed the orks unintentionally lmao
And of course they found out
iirc Ghaz also stopped by and just grabbed a bunch of orks
Yeah
So the scales tipped
He also didn’t help lol
He killed a bunch of nids
Grabbed a bunch of orks
Then fucked off
But yeah if it was left to itself the Ordo Xenos and Deathwatch would've probably been able to keep it going
He has other plans so i don't expect him to stay there
clearly they are gitz since they didn't join the waagh
He doesn't care if anything a stronger enemy would be a lot more fun to fight, he will sacrifice orks if it means he gets a better fight
pretty much all orks do that
so what if the old ones created kroks to defend the galaxy lol
are there any mentions of any kroks still being alive?
Isnt there an intact krork in tryazens museum
that guy really does have one of everything huh
"This is where id put the emperor of man kind.... If i had one!"
I love the Solemnance short story
isnt there a tribe that trades with the imperium and others? the bloody axes i think is their name
Yeah
yeah the other orks hate them for that
or at least mistrust them
does their tribe color have an effect associated with it?
Red?
no iirc the bloody axes are brown
Or is it green
Everybody is green there orks
^
Shaddap
Also this is cool

Very close it's actually blood axes
ah
I wonder how much of the old brain boyz lore applies
Isn't that like what Orks call the old ones?
where there was a fungus that made orkoids intelligent and the brain boyz lifted up the other orkoids, who then ate all the mushrooms and the brain boyz degenerated into snotlings
It seems Agents of the Imperium are real now
I'm liking this free rules stuff 
Dredd
I like how we have a lore channel but no tabletop channel or video game channel
That’s more for painting or showing off your armies and minis
I mean actual tabletop discussion
technically it works here
Anyone got pictures of hot Orks? Im running a game of wrath and glory for some people fresh to the setting and one of the things from my table is that my players like to roll to see if an NPC is hot.
I have an uncanny feeling one of them will ask if an ork is hot.
I want to troll the fuck out of them.
What are tastes like I probably have you covered
Got tired of waiting here's the most generic hot guy orc/ork in my reliquary
damn that Ork is hot 🥺🥺
Something for trolling. Like 40k ork. Kinda derp
I really need to commission someone to draw Da Femboyz
||i'd let him krump me anyday uwu||
so unless im mistaken the Flamer ingame has no hose connection to a backpack like the chaos dudes have.
Is this just a simplification for implementation reasons or are Flamers canonically purely cannister based?
flamers can be canister based
they can also be 'backpack based' for want of a better term
both exist, backpack flamer are usually heavy flamer (though in more modern iteration they are weapon team based, so 2 people)
basically heavy flamers consume more fuel so they need bigger storage supplies
dragon's breath flamer
when they went from 2nd to 3rd edition they narrowed down the templates from 3 to 1 for flamers
so heavy flamer used to have a bigger teardrop template, but in 3rd just had higher strength and AP
and hand flamers almost disappeared
because the mini template was gone, they usually became one shot flamers
but then they removed templates completely
in 8th
Plenty of people discuss rules and such. I’ve got good feedback when asking about counts-as stuff.
What happened to Ferrus Mannus' hands after he died ?
I know the Iron Hands got ahold of at least one
But the other probably ended up as a trophy
Like most of his body
Ironed Hams operating from their battle barge Aurora Boraelis
I'm amazed that the Iron Hands are still a thing after Isstvan.
Do they have anything interesting?
Aside from being the mechanicus Astartes?
Not counting tech marines.
peak ork physique, whenever you like it or not
how come on, how can you forget when horus attached the skull of ferrus on his throne and started talking to it amleto style?
Which is Fair, when the Salamanders exist.
or the fact that their most prized holy tome is literally mechanicum propaganda
literally the only cool fact is that if ferrus doesn't come back officialy as legion of the damned he may come back as a terminator-style robot with what may be inside Gorgon's Forge
(wich tbf, they already tried doing once, but now they also have his skull and not only one arm)
Ferrus as a dreadnought would be interesting (if thats even doable)
i think it would be more similar to an Helfather
aka the better Kubric
Perturabo is a dreadnought.
He's an obliterator
Any other Chapter honestly
regardless, if ferrus was to come back, he would IMMEDIATELY begin flaming the hell out of his boys
Iron Hands have that very rare thing where if you removed them from the setting nothing would really change.
They haven't done much in the Heresy either aside from Ferrus getting killed by Fulgrim
They have cooler peers and cooler successors
^
near angron levels of pissed off at his legion for doing the one thing he didnt want them to
I mean it's also his fault so cope lmao
"WEAKNESS BAD"
Shouldn't have died ig
I like Ferrus and Fulgrim's whole thing, but outside that, yeah.
fulgrim is still an asshole
I mea
hes like the most humble mfer
imagine killing your best friend because a talking sword told you to
fucking cringe
It was a mercy more than anything
I don't recall Vulkan being that bad. Even like, when he met his legion be bought his own people to bolster them.
Unlike so many who met their legion and said "You ain't shit"
Vulkan is, aside from Guilliman, best primarch
He's a blind follower and he admits as much
They're all indoctrinated lab-grown genocide-happy monsters
He genocided entire planets.
And killed that eldar child.
Probably not.
Didn't he kill a lot more than the kid anyway lmao
also yeah he did
He did.
salamanders have the healthiest policies of any legion tbh
you get time off to see your family and you are most likely coming out alive if you knock into them as a civvie/other imperium part
he was a mass-genocider like every primarch lmao
but i guess TTS hug memes hide that
It's kind of ironic that the Night Lords had the smallest kill count during the GC.
That's ironic, their deathwatch rules show a different reality
ohboy
he literally kills off an entire population of ex-nocturnian slaves of the dark eldar on the same planet of that eldar child god damn it
They're apparently the bad kind of stubborn
Like, unhealthy and destructive kind of stubborn
how effed is salamanders deathwatch
they probably just didn't count civilian casualties in the kill-feed
They just scared the shit out of people.
Killed some in the worst ways imaginable to scare the rest.
And they didn't blow up entire cities.
I mean its mentioned that Salamanders live in the warrior lodges associated with their company, which means they're living among the people of Nocturne.
They also generally treat civilians (humans ofc, they're the only civilians the Imperium cares about) with atleast some consideration.
Except the few times they committed mass atrocities to do the same thing
People forget that "Fear" tactics get scaled up
if it was from a novel, just treat it as canon but untrue
it's the healthiest approach
Yeah this
also like
atrocity is an atrocity
a "low body count" doesnt really justify anything
all the planets they scared into compliance were always gonna rebel sooner or later
Fear is not an effective motivator lol
Even Nostramo rebelled the second Kurze took his eyes off it lmao
Like low body count is well and good
But when the other genocidal maniacs hunt you down to shout at you about what you're doing
Yeah, All of the Imperium is bad. Not doubting that.
Then it might not be as "Clean" as people put it
AFAIK the Ultramarines also like, had begun planning for retirement at the end of the Great Crusade. Which, is probably pretty easy when your Primarch has a whole bunch of worlds for your legion to settle on and farm grapes and shit
you'd be right
now, after horus heresy, whenever the wars end is when the boys in blue retire
Or get wiped out
Still my favorite bit of Ultramarines fanart.
Honestly with the new Phobos LT revealed I might just have to paint my Phobos bois up as Ultrasmurfs.
Got plenty of Nid bits from the Mcragge box to stick on them.
they're the poster boys
Like the Black Legion is for chaos?
though sometimes it does make you wonder
Yeah but more
they somehow became the defacto standard
Basically, yeah.
Really Recogniseable.
Honestly the Blood Angels likely woud have been the standard if not for their more weird lore.
Since they were the Original Termies in SH
Didn't curze himself even note that using terror alone was a bad way to create lasting compliance and the Emperor was just like "nah its fine"
Crimson Fists were the first features army in the rulebook (on the cover and example scenario)
iirc it's blood angels on the 2nd edition box
black templar on 3rd
Could've fkn fooled me
I can't remember for the others
sometimes you wonder if the emperor lacks empathy or he's just incompetent
I think it's both and he's also trying to get a result he wants and is failing at it
I would just forget any characterisation at all

hence all the stupid shit he does
You remember that time the Dark Angels helped deliver a baby?
dark angels are the chaotic neutral chapter
big E is a plot device
and a macguffin
his only character traits are that he's super powerful and also a real asshole
I recommend taking the rogue trader pill
also all space marines are evil because genocide is always evil, guys
I mean, no-one is good in 40k, thats kind of the point.
Even the Tau are pretty corrupt with their caste system.
egalitarian genocide 
Necrons I guss were just minding their own buisness till people read from the book of the dead woke them up.
I'm sure the Votann murder kittens or something.
Ogryns are the only good in the Galaxy
League of Votann is the super capitalism faction right
based
Votann are aggressively capatalist(? or something like that)
votann are currently [lore missing]
like "oh your world has resources we want, leave or die, we are taking them"
we got a tiny codex that baically says
I really want to make Chaos Votann
ROCK AND STONE LADZ
Rock and stone motherfucker
and nothing else
DRG being in the 40k universe makes sense to me
do they need more bikers
GW really could have leaned into the dwarfy side mode
is it like when tau were introduced, and necron
when those arrived, they just didn't fit in
I mean idc about them fitting in, I just mean like the models are like 90% really cool but 10% is off
someone compared them to C.O.G from Gears of War and i cant unsee the aesthetic
it's like with stormcast where I don't like their helmets, but I can change that easily
and have done so
I think the default color scheme doesn't help them
wierd dark sea foam green and white isn't very dwarfy
I kinda like the default scheme
it's not bad it's just kinda off for me
tyrannids are evolved rats 
i love how nids likely conquered entire galaxies but they're still not the biggest threat in 40k
And what's the biggest threat?
Chaos?
Malal?
maybe idk. i'm just saying that they're not the only species trying to conquer the galaxy
imagine how strong a galaxy wide ork empire would be
It wouldn't last.
maybe an ultra ork war boss would emerge
If some Ork was said to be the Avatar of Gork and Mork, maybe.
Do the Orks have any other Gods?
Or just these two?
i mean... isn't that just Ghaz?
Malal isn't real
malal is in your walls
His fans sure as shit are...
it took me a while to realize how much fantasy fans really want 40k to be in the same universe
Chaos is the main element of that.
I've met at least a dozen people who've based their entire personality on "Wow Malice is so cool and epic!"
Go Undivided or Tzeentch.
that is, the entire 40k exists within an orb on some wizard's desk somewhere
undivided is basic
I've always preferred fantasy chaos to 40k chaos though
i mean, Sons of Malice got mentioned in the 13th black crusade and the Cadia Stands book, but i get your point
especially the mortals
Archaon the Neverchosen.
CADIA stands
Cadia:

"My god, this warband name after an emotion definitely means this minor chaos god from old fantasy lore is 100% REAL AND ACTIVE AND DANGEROUS!"
I know they do have a connection to the "Malice" entity in 40k
"The Planet broke before the Guard did."
Khârn, Typhus and others:
But people overblow it to annoying ass proportions
Malal isn't real for ||copyright|| reasons
mall
rip in peace Kaleab Daark
lol i know i know, it's just that most people can't accept that there are minor entities that csm can also worship
Malal was dead and gone in fantasy long before 40k even happened
greatest champion of malal
yeah
what even is malice supposed to be a god of
But since he shares exactly 3 letters in his name with Malal
anarchy and shit
He must be the exact same thing, right?
Slowed down Khorne.
essensialy the "do whatever the fuck you want" kind of chaos entity
khorme
Malice probably 
I just find it funny that the champion of malal was literally called "Kaeleb Daark"
what kind of fucken
oc doughnut steel name
I don't think it's as bad as coping Khorne fans who pretend he's honourable
it seems to be a theme considering the two main named characters of the sons of malice are Kathal and Kanath
Dark Caleb Fucks Up God: A Warhammer Fantasy Battles Story
dark brandon official malice champion
only reason I vaguely do that is it makes the setting more interesting when shit isn't mega one dimensional, but I also understand that they do not write him like that at all
like not ever close
so i guess it's less coping and more wishing for me
i like the fact that you can worship him as some honorable fuck, that doesn't mean he is through
Since there isn't really a "How to" guide to worshipping
yeah, and those are typically the more interesting ones
The cope is that he cares
Is Khorne literate or
Egil Styrbjron the giga chad of khorne
Fuck are most space marines literate, they literally got religious-military indoctrination instead of school and most of the first founding chapters come from hellish worlds you can barely survive on
presumably they are
I bet none of these fucks can read
although they do have some kind of anthropomorphic representation, I find too much people just turn them into superheroes/villains
I am pretty sure reading is pretty important to being able to get orders and such well
whether they read anything else
or could like do a fucken book report
it's one of the infinite it depends moments
But yeah
Some can read for sure. But yeah, there are others (Space Wolves).
Honestly I like the anthropomorphic chaos gods because the image of Khorne getting broken over Slaanesh's knee is fucking hilarious
Pete the Wargamer's Chaos Conversion instantly sold me on doing them eventually. Though I'll probably lean more into darker skin and give them a Duergar from D&D or a Dark Iron Dwarf vibe.
The cope is annoying because they'll go "Khorne cares about honour!" "He wants honourable fights!" "He doesn't like dishonourable tools or killing civilians!"
Meanwhile
What motto do you hear constantly
How did Khorne get his ass kicked?
"Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows"
And Kharn is literally called "The Betrayer"
Because he became a Salamander for a bit.
It was when he actively shattered the World Eaters right?
not 100% sure
In that fight against the EC?
iirc it was on some ice planet and some world eaters and emps childern where fighting
Yes.
idk if it was the whole world eaters and EC there
Probably not the whole.
Slaanesh tried to eat Khaine, Khorne was like "no that one is cool", big warp fight, Slaanesh just picked him up and broke his spine, and now he's in the chair
The EC were most likely busy inhaling something.
Its listed as the reason the WE are mostly scattered warbands now.
ah
Yep
I don't keep up with most 40k chaos faction lore as I don't find them particularly interesting
Some will still cope that "He'll just stab you in the face"
But he'll still fucking stab you so lmao
even chaos needs disability ramps
fantasy chaos tho
meanwhile Fabius Bile to Slaneesh "you dont exist fuck off lol"
which also isn't entirely true iirc
i have not read a single story so far where khorn was involved
mainly becuase he doesn't give a shit
the other chaos gods are typically more involved but khorne does seem to need to be as much
as you know
it is called "WAR" hammer
Tzeentch is better in fucking up people.
tbf why get involved when you can just live rent-free on passive income
Tuska daemonkiller was put on khornes planet to fight daemons for all time right? That was khorne interacting right?
khorne literally got the dream scenario of any crypto-bro
It was.
and khorne is more insidious then people realize
see our friendly fanatic voice in game
yep
khorne is the hustler god
Isn't that Tzeentch?
I sorta think there is less whispers and stuff with khorne, and more like an unknowable draw
tzeentch is the ponzi scheme god 
Tzeentch works to hard to be a hustler
and the professional veteran
it is a very off handed like haha only joking type comment
but he mentions something about seeing a daemon on a mountain of skulls in a dream
Anyway Khorne sucks, Slaanesh sucks, Tzeentch sucks, Nurgle's ok
I think ive got a screenshot somewhere of one of the lines
Nurgle's very not ok
doesn't a psyker also dream about tzneetch palace?
nurgle's the most annoying god
Tzeentch is cool, untill he turns you into some weird shit.
Nurgle is fun as hell
nurgle is memed too much
Found it
He has snail-horses
there it is
People joining Nurgle.
nurgle followers are happy mfs when they hear the pain screams and groans of the infected
Yeah no I'm good without the pustules and sacks of puss hanging off my decaying back
btw you know what i find even funnier about the Sons Of Malice? their story is in the Heroes Of The Space Marines book
Listen I'm just saying if I lived in the imperium I'd be eating ambull dung and intentionally getting Star-Syphilis and getting the glorious boon of my insides being on the outside
it's super fashionable these days
I think part of what makes Chaos so attractive to humans in the 40k, particularly imperial citizens is because their WHOLE LIFE is nothing but censorship and rules. Chaos rocks up and is like "Hey, heres all the cool shit THEY don't want you to know about, pretty neat right?"
And like, they tell you that you can do WHATEVER you want.
Selling your soul isnt a good deal
Thats in the fine print. You don't need to read that part.
Problem is a lot of the time it doesn't really seem like a choice
Fuck all that "oh hurr durr nurgle cultists are happy", fuck "it makes you immortal!", fuck "the inevitability of death", I would instantly sell my soul to nurgle because I want to be fat, covered in pus, and bleeding from my genitals
iirc there is like one place that is chaos that isn't a complete shithole and it's like normal imperium levels of shithole
If you join Undivided, you don't sell it.
and thats where those pirate chaos marines are
The Maelstrom?
I'm aligning with Hell for the aesthetic
tbf, don't human souls get to the warp anyway?
the uh, ones where the guy has the wierd monkey
red corsairs?
Please face the wall and stay silence for the emperors mercy heretic
Judging by Gate of Bones
Yep
yeah they are fun, except when we are told they mostly not follow chaos and then only get visual rapresentation as chaos corrupted fuckers
Yeah but selling it garentees it gets ripped apart ad devoured. If you dont theres a chance your soul might just fade away,which is more ideal
Whatever you do, do not join Slaanesh.
Or Do
Whichever one you join there won't be a "You" left by the end
Its all fine.
Cleanest Nurgle follower.
With Slaanesh it'll be perverted until you're just a junkie for whatever hooked you for starters
With Tzeentch you'll get Chaos Spawn'd
With Khorne you'll lose your wits and become a frothing berzerker
With Nurgle the gift will kill your personality and reduce you to what is effectively a shambling zombie
"only a few red corsairs wear the symbols of chaos" meanwhile when they get art:

It's random with Tzeentch.
there was some good art of one the planets they control and it jsut looked liek a normal market but with some chaos shite around
wich if funnier when you think that by just killing Huron, the red corsairs could literally stop doing work for chaos
but it's one of those if you have to live in a chaos place
Tzeentch is the best deal imo. You might lose everything but chances are as long as your sceming and learning chances are you wont lose your sense of self completely
Yeah but then they'd have to kill Huron
you want it to be where the red corsairs control
Counterpoint: Nurgle is the best deal because he'll make you look rad as fuck
No you'll just be driven insane and quickly killed by one of your underlings in an endless web of schemes and betrayal
That's pretty normal.
also
Didnt know we looped back to the imperium
Yes but noticeable more prevalent while serving a god that promotes scheming and betrayal
doesn't khorne not acutally make you lsoe your wits
it just often gets replaced with rage
but it's still there more or less
He also promotes knowledge.
Although Nurgle did kidnap a woman and keeps her in a cage as his "wife", which I think we can all agree aged poorly and would be considered pretty problematic today
Forbidden knowledge that has the nasty side effect of either driving you insane or turning you into chaos spawm
Or just blowing you up
like iirc kharn is pretty smart/cunning when he isn't going full berserk
Knowledge is power.
And power will kill you very violently
He's still quite a madman that can't help but murder friendlies on the Frontline though
Ok which god or undivide is the easiest to go daemon prince through
Not Nurgle or Tzeentch
cuase I feel like with tzeentch it's basically random on what his requirements are for you to become a daemon prince
Slanesh might ascend you for basically nothing if shes in the mood
worshiping tzeentch is like playing a perma death rogue like game
where stuff may just randomly kill you or make you way stronger
And its extremely hard to ascend via undivided isnt it
very, yes
undivided definetly the hardest... technically it's only belakor as far as im aware
Lorgar
tbh tzeench cool but fuck chaos
heretics where ye at?
I'm hoping hard that Vashtorr ascends to godhood
Iron Warriors or Dark Mechanicus would probably fare well under him
Itd prolly help dark mech get some models
Only some of them did.
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can I gets a TLDR?
keep it spoilered, want to read it myself
||Dante finds the lion, lion redeems some Fallen who aren't tainted, Vashtorr reveals the Key is Caliban itself which he turns into a web way portal after gathering enough pieces of it, The Lion banishes Angron, Vashtorr wins and activates Caliban/The Key creating a webway portal daemons pour through and releases tons of daemons into the materium||
||actually sounds really cool, Vashtorr lures the Dark Angels into a trap and shocks them when they see he reconstructed Caliban and turned it into a daemon world, they barely manage to fight off the world eaters, and Angron gives Dante brain damage before The Lion steps in. Still no word on what the Lion was doing before this, though, and Vashtorr now has a permanent base of operations on Caliban||
||Oh yeah and The Inquisition turns up at the end because they caught the Dark Angels legion-building and secretly chasing demons on their old Homeworld||
so what happened to lord cypher?
So all in all the fake leak was actually fairly close, except for the bit with the Eldar
Inquisition barging in
Doesn't sound like Cypher is in it, The Fallen here are led by some guy called Borz, don't know if he's a pre-existing character or not
No gazkull damn
Apparently there's going to be a novel going up for pre-order Saturday that explains where the Lion has been
I kinda hope they kill off Dante for something soon
Also the Caliban lore is really cool, turns out ||it was an artificial planet the Old Ones created specifically for a ritual, which is why it was so close to the Eye of Terror and why it can be weaponized, also implied the Watchers are the same individuals who were around during the War in Heaven and they knew the Old Ones personally||
They just released his primaris model, he's going to stick around at least a few more years
I'm hoping him, Mephiston, and the Sanguinor can make a sanguinius Voltron tbh lmao
Man there's no gif of the archon dance from starcrafts
I Google "Borz Dark Angels" to see if he existed already and all I found was a male sex worker on Facebook called Borz Dark who sounds more like a serial killer than a Dom and now I'm going to project that onto this character forever
Oh noooo
Damn this is fucked up
👀
Yeah the Lion's character is as deep as a bucket
Hey any chance we could get a channel for 40k-video games?
Uh might have to appeal to an admin for that one, mods don't have permissions for those
He just became 40k's Green Knight
Alright thanks
Maybe well get some insight into lions views on how shit everything is in the next book
Only took them 10k years, not bad for their standards
Oh well they barged in a lot
Just usually the DA got to kill them before they did anything
Doesn't count if you don't come back
Is there audio books for arks or am i just gonna order actual books
Oh
If you wanna catch up check this guy's stuff out: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=arbitrator+ian+arks+of+omen
Thanks

Morrow's done by the same guy that did Merrick and the Kasrkin in DoW 1 right?
Nvm managed to dig it up
He sounds a lot like Scott though
scott mcneil
This is supposed to be covered in his novel, the journey up to the point where he shows up in the arks of omen book
It’s gona be in arks of omen Lion
My coworker just asked me about 40k xD oh no
No? That's what the synopsis of novel says
Idfk
How he gets to the arks of omen narrative
Because
He gets it early
Like most big YouTubers
Same with Ian
He’s also allowed to post about the contents if he wishes to
It’s what he’s done for the past 3 arks of omens
The synopsis is “Alone in Imperium Nihilus, without the Emperor, the Imperium, or his sons, the Lion faces a terrible challenge. He meets a formidable Chaos warband led by one of his traitorous sons, and must call upon every ally he can. He’ll even need to rally his Fallen knights, who have been hunted across the galaxy as they awaited the day their father would return”
This milestone novel is an essential read for fans of the Dark Angels, and tells the tale of events leading up to Arks of Omen: The Lion
Is this a series ?
Or like a one time kinda book
Now maybe the novel will deliver or it won't, but the arks book not explaining how he got there isn't surprising
His voyage to help the DA is gonna be in son of the forest
Lol stonks
Yeah, how he gathers members of the fallen
Have you considered 🏴☠️
Also
Meanwhile his arrival is gonna be in AoO: The lion
The arks of omen book is more valuable if you play the actual game tbh
Mostly since it has rules
Yarr matey I sail the high seas often
Lol
Wich if funny considering that that book is gonna be Lion gathering the Fallen to fight the Fallen
They aren’t out yet
So there’s nothing to pirate
Lmao
Peak DA tale
Older books?
The usual places you’d find pirated warhammer content
Don’t ask o on the main 40k server
They have a don’t talk about piracy thing
that doesn’t include DMs however
(btw I hope the warband mentioned in son of the forest is Marbas's because lion head daemon prince is too cool to pass up)
I’m trying to think of the most ‘tragic’ loyalest legion
But like
Chapter same thing
Blood Angels, and Lamenters
Oh yeah being a BA does blow
Why do they even bother with making more BA if they are all ticking time bombs anyhow?
Because when they explode you just gotta point em to the enemy
Fair
They’re insanely effective shock troops
salamanders
Loyalist damn I can’t spell today
How?
Celestial Lions: I wouldn’t say tragic, but definitely beaten into the dirt more than was needed
you want the long or the short
Short ig
Oh yeah didn’t they get refounded?
After uhhhh
Ha ha pirate go yarr
I’m not sure I just remember that the inquisition sent an assassin over the maledictum just to kill their chapter master
After their homeworld was invaded by daemons
After that I don’t know what happened to them
You're probably thinking Lamenters or Mantis Warriors
Celestial Lions got dicked by the Inquisition
I know raven gaurd are pretty bummed out. But that’s mainly HH in 40k they aren’t too bad
i think from a logistical standpoint its either they keep making them or they get no replacements at all
geneseed is very valuable
a good majority of BAs are also pretty likely to die before they succumb to it anyhow
Blood Angels are also well known and popular
and their primarch regarded as a big hero
they are the chapter that bears the hardest burden, “the hardest part of the job is that you can’t save everyone” watch/read his angels
Cawl has entire stockpiles, doesn't he?
kind of
i mean, that's not relevant to any point before M42
genesneed
but like
the BAs are good at what they do. the death company is basically their suicide-mission guys
and if they survive that eventually astorath the grim will come execute them
they are effective
its not the biggest issue in the world, and if you kill off the BAs you're just overall losing space marines
because space marine chapters are fucking weird people won't just come recruit from Baal and the other worlds the BA chapters recruited from
and dante + the sanguinor are assets
@languid salmon The Octarius war ended already, Nids won
I know and it kind of saddens me. just imagine after everything the only thing let in that galaxy was that war in a forever stalemate and both sides living their best life out of it.
Can thank Ghazzy for tipping the scales
ol bale eye may or may not have kicked the bucket/become an imperial greater daemon
Like hell he did
what also kind of sad was an ork player got me into 40k and as a birthday gift I got him the second part of the octarius war book to go with my first part to play some scenarios in it then found out what happens to the orks in it. so my gift ended up being the knowledge that his faction lost the war and mine won
Him becoming anything means Guard get nice lore, we aren't allowed that 
at least you aren't the Eldar and have your main archetypes taken from you and given to other factions
On the topic of nids, whats the sythes of the emperor’s ‘thing’
Being dead, because they're all dead
Ah
Wait, where did you get the Imp Greater Daemon from?
Only some primaris left now who've got pure GSeed
nah theres some left they are mostly primaris now though
when primaris were released
huh ok then
But if you mean the genestealers stuff
Their geneseed banks got corrupted by cultists
And some of them as well
Wow, I have the cawl book but I didn’t get far in it
It didn't work on them like it did with humans where they get brainwashed pretty much instantly
I just assumed they were made specially for the book
wait that can happen?! sweet when do we get genestealer marines?
But it lets the Patriarch and other Cultist excert a good amount of influence on them
imagine you're a fan of batman, and then they release a new batman comic with a new guy who's called bigger batman. he does everything batman does but is bigger and better
some people are theorizing he became a saint, like celestine
They're mentally strong enough to combat it, but they get stunned when faced with the cultists/patriarch
Effectively all it does is get them killed
Genestealers > marines already tho
so new stratgem for genestealer cults vs marines
consider bigger genestealer with marine plot armor
Im@pretty sure when a marine is infected, he just reports to his local Chaplin for ‘consultation’
That’s not how marine plot armor works or else chaos would also have it

chaos has more of it than tyranids do

They didn't realize
Uh Oh
Tyranids literally can never lose the long war
yes
So nids have tons of plot armor by that definition
unless something directly kills the hive mind which can’t happen
Yeah
It got bonked on the head by the great rift opening
But it was back at it a few minutes later
Is there anytning neat going in with their refounding?
maybe but their codexs are mostly losses and a couple wins
They're just primaris, clean slate
Are literally the marine
And dark eldar ones
Mostly because their victories ultimately mean nothing
Oh
So nothing cool going on with them now? Damn
The OG guys failed and didn't want to pass stuff on
They’re cool
that maybe so but its adds credibility. also there were plenty of wins for guard 8th edition from what I remember, same with the orks
YEAH BUT LMAO THATS JUST FARMING EQUIPMENT LMAO
My point still stands that most codexes have more L’s then W’s
And if you have an eldar codex you are only Ls
Dark eldar is all W’s
Mostly because their victories are
They enslave a trillion humans
And send them to be horrifically tortured
They just bum rush planets before anyone can do anything
harliquins was mostly wins,
Or they trick people
They got a few million imperial refugees
To literally walk onto their ships

Poor tau
Real smart refugees
funnily enough one of the wins for the tyranids was hive fleet hydra eating an entire dark eldar raiding party that woke it up
Also the craftworld eldar and harlequins share a codex now
8th edition
Im very tempted to get drukhari and get some of those uhh u forgot what they were called, and paint their skin blue
Not grotesque the other one
We’re in 9th
The big pain engine guys
YEAH
I know the 9th edition codexes have barely any lore in them
i love them
It’s just the 8e lore again
Mostly
The marine and eldar codexes might as well be blunt force trauma weapons
Also half their models are on rotation

Dark eldar need updates
Badly lol
Kabalite and wych cults are mostly fine
But covens are still like over 50% resin
Which is pretty funny
yeah maybe 11th edition they will be the focus and get redone
Maybe
But I have a feeling they’ll get the same treatment as craftworlds
Multiple small waves
The new nid minis are great
So far
Yeah considering one of their most important kits enter the shadow realm for 10 months a year
I don’t feel bad for planning my 3d prints
and then the marines get more stuff that their codex is bigger than all the xeno codexes combined
Lol
They are GW’s prefered child
And they also make a lot of money
Which both sucks
And is nice
yep I was really worried when I heard the redid termagaunts because the old one still hold up really well for me. now lets hope the redo the lictor because that resin one constanlty breaks
Mostly since it lets GW release mini updates they know that won’t sell well
But it’s unfortunate because
** more marines**
The new ones and old ones mix together well imo
Gives some nice texture
well I may just have to get a couple. Might help with the facts its so boring painting tyranid infantry
weridly enough the new ones look easier to paint
They have more defined surfaces
its a contrast paints dream
i wanted to start a nid army but i decided to hold off because i didnt like the start collecting
im glad i did
nto start collecint its the uhh,,,,,
combat patrol
yep started using them and its so nice but unfortunately I already base coated a bunch black
Is that a flesh bolter?
No
But it is a living thing
That shoots out beetles
That burrow into your skin and eat you
flesh borer
Sounds like a DG weapon.
DG?
death guard
ah. aren't their bolters called plague bolters or something like that?



