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coarse pumice
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had one of these too

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did they really stack on the Space Marine Nobody characters in 7th edition?

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7th onwards even

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I'm looking through the miniatures collection on the wiki, and at some point there's a load of units with random character names (rather than generic unit names)

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Silver -> darker silver and black?

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or the alternative (i.e. camo) scheme?

uneven temple
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A head on shark as the chapter icon was one of the choices of all time

gloomy citrus
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The dark silver is great.

coarse pumice
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It might even be the same just with different lightning

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i.e. normal lighting and grimdark lighting

storm jungle
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I just applied during the mod trials and got the job, I don't know how either KEK

crisp heath
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The perspective on that shark man

coarse pumice
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the yellow one was just a camo pattern

crisp heath
coarse pumice
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back when space marines had camo

gloomy citrus
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That's a mess.

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Also, what's wrong with his boltgun?

coarse pumice
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it has half a stock?

storm jungle
crystal forum
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the magazine is weirdly forward on the gun

copper patrol
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I mean this is gw we are talking about

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when have they ever designed logical weapons

storm jungle
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like you had to put your hand BEHIND the magazine since the mag was like under the end of the fucking barrel

crystal forum
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weird design choice

storm jungle
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it was the 90's

shadow plover
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they're coming for you and your weird opinions

green loom
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Would it matter with a bolter

coarse pumice
storm jungle
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Anyway

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90's your boltgun

coarse pumice
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in the early 90s the magazine started to be moved back anyway

crystal forum
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i guess if they're mostly holding the bolters one handed it doesn't really matter

shadow plover
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yeah the front heavy design was pretty much only during 1st edition (rogue trader)

storm jungle
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It kinda stuck around in some 30k artwork

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btu after that it was entirely dropped yeah

shadow plover
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yeah that it did

crystal forum
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would be cool if it was the old design of the bolter during the great crusades

storm jungle
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you CAN make that excuse

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because 30k has like

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1938405 bolter variations

shadow plover
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my favourite's the 125068th one

storm jungle
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Really though jokes aside goddamn theres a lot

green loom
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Why is 30k so bloated

storm jungle
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Money.

green loom
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Is this why the admech discourages advancement

storm jungle
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LMAO

green loom
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If yes then I finally understand

crystal forum
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would most of these be considered archeotech

green loom
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Prolly not

storm jungle
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Not archeotech but relics deffo

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a lot of 30k Imperium tech doesnt get made anymore

green loom
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This is like the cartel 50cal SMG of boltguns

storm jungle
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its very funny

crystal forum
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i love how the tigrus pattern is stated to be one of the most advanced patterns without saying why it's advanced

copper patrol
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it has flames on it

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so it is more advanced

storm jungle
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the GTA: San Andreas logic 🙏

shadow plover
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it's the 'new' one during the end heresy

crystal forum
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great so now whenever i read a horus heresy book i have to take into account all these guns

storm jungle
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Enjoy hell thumbsup_ogryn

queen laurel
storm jungle
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Uhhh

queen laurel
storm jungle
queen laurel
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Of course there is a bazooka bolter

storm jungle
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This also existed

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Both enter the "heavy bolter" category KEK

green loom
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Where's the bullpup

storm jungle
green loom
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Heavy bolter I mean

storm jungle
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Oh lmao

green loom
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Also that got changed and is now fed from the side KEKW_ogryn

storm jungle
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YUP KEKW_ogryn

coarse pumice
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was that one satire?

celest dome
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That one was British people not understanding how to make guns

green loom
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Also the

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Rebellion

crystal forum
queen laurel
arctic talon
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Like things

queen laurel
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Some of these are very surprising

crystal forum
green loom
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iirc the reason for that bigass sink on the back of the gun

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Is because they couldn't fit the actual gun on the model

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So it was supposed to be like this

arctic talon
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Prolly is lol

crystal forum
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are combi weapons even useful on the tabletop

arctic talon
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Yeah

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You can fire the shot on its own

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Or fire both for a penalty

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Or just the bolter

crystal forum
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are both guns as powerful as their standalone variants

queen laurel
arctic talon
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Lol

arctic talon
crystal forum
arctic talon
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Yes

queen laurel
crystal forum
arctic talon
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I mean yeah

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You’re paying extra points

crystal forum
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ooooh

arctic talon
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They aren’t free

green loom
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Aren't they only on some units also

arctic talon
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Yeah

queen laurel
crystal forum
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keychain attachment for extra utility

arctic talon
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SMH

queen laurel
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Average flashgitz weaponry

queen laurel
arctic talon
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Snazz guns are a funny combo of plasma and heavy bolters

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Meaning they melt anything you can actually hit

crystal forum
arctic talon
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They’re higher quality

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Snazzgitz like high quality guns

queen laurel
arctic talon
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Yeah

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They are

green loom
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You could say they're

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Snazzy

queen laurel
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Tends to be a very reoccurring thing

crystal forum
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i need more ork weaponry

green loom
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I am truly a master of the comedic arts

arctic talon
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Gorknaut gun looks unorky

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As well imo

crystal forum
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i love the miniminigun

arctic talon
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Also the morknaut

crystal forum
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do you have images of those mechs that the lesser orks use

coarse pumice
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Gorkann Morkann

green loom
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The stompas or the killa kans?

queen laurel
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The shokk attack gun

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Results may vary

green loom
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Aren't all orks violent killing machines?

arctic talon
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Yes

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Some are slightly less violent tho

queen laurel
shadow plover
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yes lets take this gremlin, fire it through hell and let it reappear inside an enemy's body after it has gone utterly insane and it will rip it's way out of there

queen laurel
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Hell a child with a butter knife can kill them

queen laurel
crystal forum
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are nids generally stronger than orks

queen laurel
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They are genetically engineered to be very strong so

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I would very much not be surprised if their muscle fibers are engineered very well

arctic talon
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Larger nids yes

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Smaller nids no

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A tyranid warrior is gona rip an ork boy in half and be an equal match for a nob

crystal forum
arctic talon
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While a hormagaunt is easy pickings for an ork

arctic talon
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Whoever wins comes out stronger

crystal forum
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so they're both equally strong at attrition?

queen laurel
copper patrol
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more like fighting makes orks stronger and gives the nids more biomass and time to evolve

arctic talon
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In octarius the nids won

queen laurel
arctic talon
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The orks have won a few before

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It’s usually an all around clusterfuck

green loom
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If someone feels like keeping them in check they can keep a stalemate going more or less forever

queen laurel
arctic talon
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Also the imperium and chaos

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Started fucking around

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And generally harmed the orks unintentionally lmao

queen laurel
green loom
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iirc Ghaz also stopped by and just grabbed a bunch of orks

arctic talon
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Yeah

green loom
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So the scales tipped

arctic talon
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He also didn’t help lol

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He killed a bunch of nids

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Grabbed a bunch of orks

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Then fucked off

green loom
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But yeah if it was left to itself the Ordo Xenos and Deathwatch would've probably been able to keep it going

queen laurel
arctic talon
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Yeah

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He did something in character

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Except he also fucked the orks who stayedlmao

copper patrol
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clearly they are gitz since they didn't join the waagh

queen laurel
copper patrol
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pretty much all orks do that

crystal forum
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so what if the old ones created kroks to defend the galaxy lol

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are there any mentions of any kroks still being alive?

storm jungle
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Krorks are the orks

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they are just de-evolved

near wasp
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Isnt there an intact krork in tryazens museum

crystal forum
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that guy really does have one of everything huh

near wasp
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"This is where id put the emperor of man kind.... If i had one!"

green loom
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I love the Solemnance short story

plush mason
arctic talon
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Yeah

plush mason
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yeah the other orks hate them for that

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or at least mistrust them

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does their tribe color have an effect associated with it?

green loom
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Red?

plush mason
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no iirc the bloody axes are brown

green loom
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Or is it green

near wasp
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Everybody is green there orks

plush mason
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^

green loom
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Shaddap

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Also this is cool

near wasp
queen laurel
plush mason
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ah

coarse pumice
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I wonder how much of the old brain boyz lore applies

queen laurel
coarse pumice
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where there was a fungus that made orkoids intelligent and the brain boyz lifted up the other orkoids, who then ate all the mushrooms and the brain boyz degenerated into snotlings

green loom
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It seems Agents of the Imperium are real now

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I'm liking this free rules stuff thumbsup_ogryn

coarse pumice
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Dredd

iron locust
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I like how we have a lore channel but no tabletop channel or video game channel

green loom
iron locust
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That’s more for painting or showing off your armies and minis

iron locust
hushed kayak
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technically it works here

astral whale
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Anyone got pictures of hot Orks? Im running a game of wrath and glory for some people fresh to the setting and one of the things from my table is that my players like to roll to see if an NPC is hot.

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I have an uncanny feeling one of them will ask if an ork is hot.

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I want to troll the fuck out of them.

crisp heath
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Got tired of waiting here's the most generic hot guy orc/ork in my reliquary

vale shuttle
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damn that Ork is hot 🥺🥺

crisp heath
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This model also exists

astral whale
crisp heath
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I really need to commission someone to draw Da Femboyz

vale shuttle
grand obsidian
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so unless im mistaken the Flamer ingame has no hose connection to a backpack like the chaos dudes have.
Is this just a simplification for implementation reasons or are Flamers canonically purely cannister based?

vale shuttle
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flamers can be canister based

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they can also be 'backpack based' for want of a better term

celest dome
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both exist, backpack flamer are usually heavy flamer (though in more modern iteration they are weapon team based, so 2 people)

vale shuttle
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basically heavy flamers consume more fuel so they need bigger storage supplies

coarse pumice
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dragon's breath flamer

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when they went from 2nd to 3rd edition they narrowed down the templates from 3 to 1 for flamers

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so heavy flamer used to have a bigger teardrop template, but in 3rd just had higher strength and AP

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and hand flamers almost disappeared

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because the mini template was gone, they usually became one shot flamers

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but then they removed templates completely

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in 8th

heavy bison
celest dome
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What happened to Ferrus Mannus' hands after he died ?

green loom
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I know the Iron Hands got ahold of at least one

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But the other probably ended up as a trophy

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Like most of his body

coarse pumice
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Ironed Hams operating from their battle barge Aurora Boraelis

gloomy citrus
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I'm amazed that the Iron Hands are still a thing after Isstvan.

storm jungle
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Nobody remembers they even exist to be fair

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unless you are an IH fan that is

gloomy citrus
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Do they have anything interesting?

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Aside from being the mechanicus Astartes?

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Not counting tech marines.

green loom
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Tech zombies

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Those were pretty cool

gloomy citrus
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Skiitarii?

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Servitors?

crimson kayak
crimson kayak
heavy bison
crimson kayak
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literally the only cool fact is that if ferrus doesn't come back officialy as legion of the damned he may come back as a terminator-style robot with what may be inside Gorgon's Forge

crimson kayak
sleek wigeon
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Ferrus as a dreadnought would be interesting (if thats even doable)

crimson kayak
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aka the better Kubric

gloomy citrus
green loom
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He's an obliterator

storm jungle
sleek wigeon
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regardless, if ferrus was to come back, he would IMMEDIATELY begin flaming the hell out of his boys

storm jungle
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Iron Hands have that very rare thing where if you removed them from the setting nothing would really change.

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They haven't done much in the Heresy either aside from Ferrus getting killed by Fulgrim

green loom
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They have cooler peers and cooler successors

storm jungle
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^

sleek wigeon
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near angron levels of pissed off at his legion for doing the one thing he didnt want them to

green loom
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I mean it's also his fault so cope lmao

storm jungle
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"WEAKNESS BAD"

green loom
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Shouldn't have died ig

heavy bison
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I like Ferrus and Fulgrim's whole thing, but outside that, yeah.

sleek wigeon
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fulgrim is still an asshole

storm jungle
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every primarch is

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lmao

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Minus Sanguinius

green loom
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I mea

storm jungle
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hes like the most humble mfer

green loom
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Sanguinius DID

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Make

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What was effectively a Legion-wide gestapo

storm jungle
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AUGHHH

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Also true

sleek wigeon
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imagine killing your best friend because a talking sword told you to

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fucking cringe

green loom
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It was a mercy more than anything

heavy bison
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I don't recall Vulkan being that bad. Even like, when he met his legion be bought his own people to bolster them.

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Unlike so many who met their legion and said "You ain't shit"

sleek wigeon
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Vulkan is, aside from Guilliman, best primarch

green loom
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He's a blind follower and he admits as much

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They're all indoctrinated lab-grown genocide-happy monsters

gloomy citrus
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And killed that eldar child.

storm jungle
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Oh my god

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will people shut up about that eldar child

gloomy citrus
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Probably not.

green loom
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Didn't he kill a lot more than the kid anyway lmao

storm jungle
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also yeah he did

gloomy citrus
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He did.

sleek wigeon
storm jungle
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he was a mass-genocider like every primarch lmao

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but i guess TTS hug memes hide that

gloomy citrus
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It's kind of ironic that the Night Lords had the smallest kill count during the GC.

green loom
storm jungle
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I mean

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terror tactics

crimson kayak
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he literally kills off an entire population of ex-nocturnian slaves of the dark eldar on the same planet of that eldar child god damn it

green loom
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They're apparently the bad kind of stubborn

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Like, unhealthy and destructive kind of stubborn

sleek wigeon
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how effed is salamanders deathwatch

green loom
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They're also

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Kind of vindictive if I recall

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But then again they're marines

crimson kayak
gloomy citrus
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They just scared the shit out of people.

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Killed some in the worst ways imaginable to scare the rest.

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And they didn't blow up entire cities.

heavy bison
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I mean its mentioned that Salamanders live in the warrior lodges associated with their company, which means they're living among the people of Nocturne.

They also generally treat civilians (humans ofc, they're the only civilians the Imperium cares about) with atleast some consideration.

green loom
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Except the few times they committed mass atrocities to do the same thing

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People forget that "Fear" tactics get scaled up

coarse pumice
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if it was from a novel, just treat it as canon but untrue

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it's the healthiest approach

storm jungle
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also like

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atrocity is an atrocity

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a "low body count" doesnt really justify anything

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all the planets they scared into compliance were always gonna rebel sooner or later

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Fear is not an effective motivator lol

green loom
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Even Nostramo rebelled the second Kurze took his eyes off it lmao

storm jungle
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Not even a joke

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literally INSTANTLY

green loom
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Like low body count is well and good

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But when the other genocidal maniacs hunt you down to shout at you about what you're doing

heavy bison
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Yeah, All of the Imperium is bad. Not doubting that.

green loom
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Then it might not be as "Clean" as people put it

heavy bison
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AFAIK the Ultramarines also like, had begun planning for retirement at the end of the Great Crusade. Which, is probably pretty easy when your Primarch has a whole bunch of worlds for your legion to settle on and farm grapes and shit

sleek wigeon
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you'd be right
now, after horus heresy, whenever the wars end is when the boys in blue retire

green loom
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Or get wiped out

heavy bison
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Still my favorite bit of Ultramarines fanart.

heavy bison
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Honestly with the new Phobos LT revealed I might just have to paint my Phobos bois up as Ultrasmurfs.

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Got plenty of Nid bits from the Mcragge box to stick on them.

gloomy citrus
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Why do people love the Ultramarines so much?

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Or at least, why does GW love them?

coarse pumice
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they're the poster boys

gloomy citrus
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Like the Black Legion is for chaos?

coarse pumice
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though sometimes it does make you wonder

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Yeah but more

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they somehow became the defacto standard

heavy bison
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Basically, yeah.

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Really Recogniseable.

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Honestly the Blood Angels likely woud have been the standard if not for their more weird lore.

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Since they were the Original Termies in SH

crisp heath
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Didn't curze himself even note that using terror alone was a bad way to create lasting compliance and the Emperor was just like "nah its fine"

coarse pumice
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Crimson Fists were the first features army in the rulebook (on the cover and example scenario)

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iirc it's blood angels on the 2nd edition box

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black templar on 3rd

green loom
coarse pumice
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I can't remember for the others

crystal forum
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sometimes you wonder if the emperor lacks empathy or he's just incompetent

green loom
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I think it's both and he's also trying to get a result he wants and is failing at it

coarse pumice
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I would just forget any characterisation at all

copper patrol
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^

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big E isn't really a character

gloomy citrus
copper patrol
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hence all the stupid shit he does

green loom
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You remember that time the Dark Angels helped deliver a baby?

crystal forum
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dark angels are the chaotic neutral chapter

vale shuttle
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big E is a plot device

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and a macguffin

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his only character traits are that he's super powerful and also a real asshole

coarse pumice
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I recommend taking the rogue trader pill

vale shuttle
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also all space marines are evil because genocide is always evil, guys

gray umbra
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if its xenos, its not genocide

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its pesticide

storm jungle
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They murder noncompliant human civilizations too

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so

heavy bison
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I mean, no-one is good in 40k, thats kind of the point.

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Even the Tau are pretty corrupt with their caste system.

crystal forum
heavy bison
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Necrons I guss were just minding their own buisness till people read from the book of the dead woke them up.

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I'm sure the Votann murder kittens or something.

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Ogryns are the only good in the Galaxy

gray umbra
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League of Votann is the super capitalism faction right

open pumice
copper patrol
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Votann are aggressively capatalist(? or something like that)

open pumice
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votann are currently [lore missing]

copper patrol
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like "oh your world has resources we want, leave or die, we are taking them"

open pumice
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we got a tiny codex that baically says

heavy bison
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I really want to make Chaos Votann

open pumice
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ROCK AND STONE LADZ

copper patrol
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Rock and stone motherfucker

open pumice
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and nothing else

copper patrol
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didn't let me say b1 tch

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fucken automod

crystal forum
copper patrol
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I wish I liked votann's models more

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becuase I like almost really like them

coarse pumice
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do they need more bikers

crystal forum
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GW really could have leaned into the dwarfy side mode

copper patrol
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but they just have something off about them

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might still get some at some point

coarse pumice
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is it like when tau were introduced, and necron

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when those arrived, they just didn't fit in

copper patrol
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I mean idc about them fitting in, I just mean like the models are like 90% really cool but 10% is off

storm jungle
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someone compared them to C.O.G from Gears of War and i cant unsee the aesthetic

copper patrol
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it's like with stormcast where I don't like their helmets, but I can change that easily

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and have done so

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I think the default color scheme doesn't help them

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wierd dark sea foam green and white isn't very dwarfy

green loom
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I kinda like the default scheme

copper patrol
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it's not bad it's just kinda off for me

gloomy citrus
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At least there are no skaven.

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In the galaxy.

crystal forum
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i love how nids likely conquered entire galaxies but they're still not the biggest threat in 40k

gloomy citrus
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Chaos?

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Malal?

crystal forum
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maybe idk. i'm just saying that they're not the only species trying to conquer the galaxy

gloomy citrus
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Everyone is trying to conquer the galaxy.

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Maybe except for the T'au.

crystal forum
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imagine how strong a galaxy wide ork empire would be

gloomy citrus
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It wouldn't last.

crystal forum
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maybe an ultra ork war boss would emerge

gloomy citrus
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If some Ork was said to be the Avatar of Gork and Mork, maybe.

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Do the Orks have any other Gods?

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Or just these two?

crimson kayak
green loom
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Malal isn't real

crystal forum
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malal is in your walls

green loom
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His fans sure as shit are...

crystal forum
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it took me a while to realize how much fantasy fans really want 40k to be in the same universe

gloomy citrus
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Chaos is the main element of that.

green loom
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I've met at least a dozen people who've based their entire personality on "Wow Malice is so cool and epic!"

gloomy citrus
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Go Undivided or Tzeentch.

coarse pumice
crystal forum
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undivided is basic

gloomy citrus
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It has no pros or cons.

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It's just Chaos.

coarse pumice
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I've always preferred fantasy chaos to 40k chaos though

crimson kayak
coarse pumice
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especially the mortals

gloomy citrus
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Archaon the Neverchosen.

crystal forum
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cadia stands

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that's funny

coarse pumice
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CADIA stands

gloomy citrus
coarse pumice
green loom
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I know they do have a connection to the "Malice" entity in 40k

gloomy citrus
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"The Planet broke before the Guard did."
Khârn, Typhus and others:

green loom
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But people overblow it to annoying ass proportions

coarse pumice
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Malal isn't real for ||copyright|| reasons

crystal forum
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mall

copper patrol
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rip in peace Kaleab Daark

crimson kayak
green loom
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Malal was dead and gone in fantasy long before 40k even happened

copper patrol
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greatest champion of malal

coarse pumice
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yeah

green loom
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He even had a replacement

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Malice in 40k is different

crystal forum
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what even is malice supposed to be a god of

green loom
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But since he shares exactly 3 letters in his name with Malal

crimson kayak
green loom
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He must be the exact same thing, right?

gloomy citrus
crimson kayak
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essensialy the "do whatever the fuck you want" kind of chaos entity

coarse pumice
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khorme

green loom
copper patrol
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I just find it funny that the champion of malal was literally called "Kaeleb Daark"

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what kind of fucken

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oc doughnut steel name

green loom
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I don't think it's as bad as coping Khorne fans who pretend he's honourable

crimson kayak
crisp heath
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Dark Caleb Fucks Up God: A Warhammer Fantasy Battles Story

crystal forum
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dark brandon official malice champion

copper patrol
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like not ever close

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so i guess it's less coping and more wishing for me

green loom
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Nah see

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His followers can be

crimson kayak
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i like the fact that you can worship him as some honorable fuck, that doesn't mean he is through

green loom
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Since there isn't really a "How to" guide to worshipping

copper patrol
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yeah, and those are typically the more interesting ones

green loom
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The cope is that he cares

crisp heath
#

Is Khorne literate or

copper patrol
#

Egil Styrbjron the giga chad of khorne

crisp heath
#

Fuck are most space marines literate, they literally got religious-military indoctrination instead of school and most of the first founding chapters come from hellish worlds you can barely survive on

copper patrol
#

presumably they are

crisp heath
#

I bet none of these fucks can read

coarse pumice
#

although they do have some kind of anthropomorphic representation, I find too much people just turn them into superheroes/villains

copper patrol
#

I am pretty sure reading is pretty important to being able to get orders and such well

#

whether they read anything else

#

or could like do a fucken book report

crimson kayak
#

it's one of the infinite it depends moments

green loom
#

But yeah

gloomy citrus
crisp heath
heavy bison
green loom
#

The cope is annoying because they'll go "Khorne cares about honour!" "He wants honourable fights!" "He doesn't like dishonourable tools or killing civilians!"

#

Meanwhile

#

What motto do you hear constantly

gloomy citrus
green loom
#

"Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows"

copper patrol
#

Main kill burn?

#

oh that one

green loom
#

And Kharn is literally called "The Betrayer"

gloomy citrus
copper patrol
#

I still like how he earned that title

#

"stop being pansies and fight you fucks"

green loom
#

It was when he actively shattered the World Eaters right?

copper patrol
#

not 100% sure

green loom
#

In that fight against the EC?

copper patrol
#

iirc it was on some ice planet and some world eaters and emps childern where fighting

gloomy citrus
#

Yes.

copper patrol
#

idk if it was the whole world eaters and EC there

gloomy citrus
#

Probably not the whole.

crisp heath
gloomy citrus
#

The EC were most likely busy inhaling something.

heavy bison
#

Its listed as the reason the WE are mostly scattered warbands now.

copper patrol
#

ah

green loom
#

Yep

copper patrol
#

I don't keep up with most 40k chaos faction lore as I don't find them particularly interesting

green loom
#

Some will still cope that "He'll just stab you in the face"

#

But he'll still fucking stab you so lmao

crystal forum
copper patrol
#

fantasy chaos tho

crimson kayak
copper patrol
#

which also isn't entirely true iirc

crystal forum
#

i have not read a single story so far where khorn was involved

copper patrol
#

mainly becuase he doesn't give a shit

#

the other chaos gods are typically more involved but khorne does seem to need to be as much

#

as you know

#

it is called "WAR" hammer

gloomy citrus
#

Tzeentch is better in fucking up people.

crimson kayak
near wasp
#

Tuska daemonkiller was put on khornes planet to fight daemons for all time right? That was khorne interacting right?

crimson kayak
#

khorne literally got the dream scenario of any crypto-bro

copper patrol
#

and khorne is more insidious then people realize

#

see our friendly fanatic voice in game

crystal forum
gloomy citrus
copper patrol
#

I sorta think there is less whispers and stuff with khorne, and more like an unknowable draw

crystal forum
#

tzeentch is the ponzi scheme god KEKW_ogryn

near wasp
#

Tzeentch works to hard to be a hustler

coarse pumice
copper patrol
#

yep

#

such a good line

#

only heard it like 2-3 times

green loom
#

What does vet say

#

I don't think I've heard it yet

copper patrol
#

it is a very off handed like haha only joking type comment

#

but he mentions something about seeing a daemon on a mountain of skulls in a dream

crisp heath
#

Anyway Khorne sucks, Slaanesh sucks, Tzeentch sucks, Nurgle's ok

near wasp
#

I think ive got a screenshot somewhere of one of the lines

green loom
#

Nurgle's very not ok

crimson kayak
#

doesn't a psyker also dream about tzneetch palace?

crystal forum
#

nurgle's the most annoying god

gloomy citrus
#

Tzeentch is cool, untill he turns you into some weird shit.

copper patrol
#

I think the psykers mention tzeentch and khorne

#

not by name of course

crisp heath
#

Nurgle is fun as hell

copper patrol
#

nurgle is memed too much

near wasp
#

Found it

crisp heath
#

He has snail-horses

copper patrol
gloomy citrus
copper patrol
#

nurgle followers are happy mfs when they hear the pain screams and groans of the infected

green loom
crimson kayak
#

btw you know what i find even funnier about the Sons Of Malice? their story is in the Heroes Of The Space Marines book

crisp heath
#

Listen I'm just saying if I lived in the imperium I'd be eating ambull dung and intentionally getting Star-Syphilis and getting the glorious boon of my insides being on the outside

crystal forum
heavy bison
#

I think part of what makes Chaos so attractive to humans in the 40k, particularly imperial citizens is because their WHOLE LIFE is nothing but censorship and rules. Chaos rocks up and is like "Hey, heres all the cool shit THEY don't want you to know about, pretty neat right?"

copper patrol
#

spoilers

#

it's not very neat

heavy bison
#

And like, they tell you that you can do WHATEVER you want.

near wasp
#

Selling your soul isnt a good deal

gloomy citrus
heavy bison
#

Thats in the fine print. You don't need to read that part.

green loom
crisp heath
#

Fuck all that "oh hurr durr nurgle cultists are happy", fuck "it makes you immortal!", fuck "the inevitability of death", I would instantly sell my soul to nurgle because I want to be fat, covered in pus, and bleeding from my genitals

copper patrol
#

iirc there is like one place that is chaos that isn't a complete shithole and it's like normal imperium levels of shithole

gloomy citrus
copper patrol
#

and thats where those pirate chaos marines are

green loom
#

The Maelstrom?

crisp heath
#

I'm aligning with Hell for the aesthetic

crimson kayak
copper patrol
#

the uh, ones where the guy has the wierd monkey

crimson kayak
#

red corsairs?

copper patrol
#

yeah

#

them

near wasp
green loom
crimson kayak
# copper patrol yeah

yeah they are fun, except when we are told they mostly not follow chaos and then only get visual rapresentation as chaos corrupted fuckers

copper patrol
#

yeah

near wasp
gloomy citrus
#

Whatever you do, do not join Slaanesh.

heavy bison
#

Or Do

green loom
#

Whichever one you join there won't be a "You" left by the end

crisp heath
#

If you don't want to hang out with this guy, you're a liar

heavy bison
#

Its all fine.

gloomy citrus
green loom
#

With Slaanesh it'll be perverted until you're just a junkie for whatever hooked you for starters
With Tzeentch you'll get Chaos Spawn'd
With Khorne you'll lose your wits and become a frothing berzerker
With Nurgle the gift will kill your personality and reduce you to what is effectively a shambling zombie

crimson kayak
copper patrol
copper patrol
#

there was some good art of one the planets they control and it jsut looked liek a normal market but with some chaos shite around

crimson kayak
#

wich if funnier when you think that by just killing Huron, the red corsairs could literally stop doing work for chaos

copper patrol
#

but it's one of those if you have to live in a chaos place

near wasp
#

Tzeentch is the best deal imo. You might lose everything but chances are as long as your sceming and learning chances are you wont lose your sense of self completely

green loom
#

Yeah but then they'd have to kill Huron

copper patrol
#

you want it to be where the red corsairs control

crisp heath
#

Counterpoint: Nurgle is the best deal because he'll make you look rad as fuck

green loom
copper patrol
#

also

near wasp
green loom
#

Yes but noticeable more prevalent while serving a god that promotes scheming and betrayal

copper patrol
#

doesn't khorne not acutally make you lsoe your wits

#

it just often gets replaced with rage

#

but it's still there more or less

gloomy citrus
crisp heath
#

Although Nurgle did kidnap a woman and keeps her in a cage as his "wife", which I think we can all agree aged poorly and would be considered pretty problematic today

green loom
#

Or just blowing you up

copper patrol
#

like iirc kharn is pretty smart/cunning when he isn't going full berserk

gloomy citrus
#

Knowledge is power.

green loom
#

And power will kill you very violently

green loom
near wasp
#

Ok which god or undivide is the easiest to go daemon prince through

copper patrol
#

hmm

#

khorne has a couple pathetic ones, but probably tzeentch

green loom
#

Not Nurgle or Tzeentch

copper patrol
#

cuase I feel like with tzeentch it's basically random on what his requirements are for you to become a daemon prince

near wasp
#

Slanesh might ascend you for basically nothing if shes in the mood

copper patrol
#

worshiping tzeentch is like playing a perma death rogue like game

#

where stuff may just randomly kill you or make you way stronger

near wasp
#

And its extremely hard to ascend via undivided isnt it

copper patrol
#

very, yes

crimson kayak
#

undivided definetly the hardest... technically it's only belakor as far as im aware

near wasp
#

Lorgar

copper patrol
#

perty and lorgar are as well

#

other then those I can't think of any canon ones

crimson kayak
#

wait there's also Marbas

#

the dark angel fallen one

near wasp
#

How far the dark angels fell PU_PepeSmile

#

Dads gonna be pissed

sleek wigeon
#

tbh tzeench cool but fuck chaos
heretics where ye at?

#

I'm hoping hard that Vashtorr ascends to godhood
Iron Warriors or Dark Mechanicus would probably fare well under him

near wasp
#

Itd prolly help dark mech get some models

gloomy citrus
near wasp
#

I was making a pun

crisp heath
#

He actually read the book this time lol

green loom
#

can I gets a TLDR?

shadow plover
#

keep it spoilered, want to read it myself

crisp heath
# green loom can I gets a TLDR?

||Dante finds the lion, lion redeems some Fallen who aren't tainted, Vashtorr reveals the Key is Caliban itself which he turns into a web way portal after gathering enough pieces of it, The Lion banishes Angron, Vashtorr wins and activates Caliban/The Key creating a webway portal daemons pour through and releases tons of daemons into the materium||

#

||actually sounds really cool, Vashtorr lures the Dark Angels into a trap and shocks them when they see he reconstructed Caliban and turned it into a daemon world, they barely manage to fight off the world eaters, and Angron gives Dante brain damage before The Lion steps in. Still no word on what the Lion was doing before this, though, and Vashtorr now has a permanent base of operations on Caliban||

#

||Oh yeah and The Inquisition turns up at the end because they caught the Dark Angels legion-building and secretly chasing demons on their old Homeworld||

coarse pumice
#

so what happened to lord cypher?

crisp heath
#

So all in all the fake leak was actually fairly close, except for the bit with the Eldar

crisp heath
#

Doesn't sound like Cypher is in it, The Fallen here are led by some guy called Borz, don't know if he's a pre-existing character or not

near wasp
#

No gazkull damn

crisp heath
#

Apparently there's going to be a novel going up for pre-order Saturday that explains where the Lion has been

green loom
#

I kinda hope they kill off Dante for something soon

crisp heath
#

Also the Caliban lore is really cool, turns out ||it was an artificial planet the Old Ones created specifically for a ritual, which is why it was so close to the Eye of Terror and why it can be weaponized, also implied the Watchers are the same individuals who were around during the War in Heaven and they knew the Old Ones personally||

crisp heath
green loom
#

Oh

#

To the other thing not the model

crisp heath
#

I'm hoping him, Mephiston, and the Sanguinor can make a sanguinius Voltron tbh lmao

green loom
#

Man there's no gif of the archon dance from starcrafts

crisp heath
#

I Google "Borz Dark Angels" to see if he existed already and all I found was a male sex worker on Facebook called Borz Dark who sounds more like a serial killer than a Dom and now I'm going to project that onto this character forever

near wasp
#

Oh noooo

iron locust
#

Does the book say what Lion thinks of the imperium

#

And the state it’s in

storm jungle
#

Yeah the Lion's character is as deep as a bucket

iron locust
#

Hey any chance we could get a channel for 40k-video games?

storm jungle
#

Uh might have to appeal to an admin for that one, mods don't have permissions for those

crimson kayak
near wasp
#

Maybe well get some insight into lions views on how shit everything is in the next book

crimson kayak
green loom
#

Oh well they barged in a lot

#

Just usually the DA got to kill them before they did anything

crimson kayak
#

Doesn't count if you don't come back

near wasp
#

Is there audio books for arks or am i just gonna order actual books

storm jungle
#

Theres no books yet

#

its just codex lore/rules

near wasp
#

Oh

storm jungle
near wasp
#

Thanks

storm jungle
green loom
#

Morrow's done by the same guy that did Merrick and the Kasrkin in DoW 1 right?

#

Nvm managed to dig it up

#

He sounds a lot like Scott though

undone zodiac
#

scott mcneil

uneven temple
arctic talon
near wasp
#

My coworker just asked me about 40k xD oh no

arctic talon
#

Convert them

#

Get them addicted to plastic crack

near wasp
#

Pffft

#

I dont even have plastic crack

arctic talon
#

Lol

#

Get them addicted anyways

uneven temple
arctic talon
#

Idfk

uneven temple
#

How he gets to the arks of omen narrative

arctic talon
#

Because

#

He gets it early

#

Like most big YouTubers

#

Same with Ian

#

He’s also allowed to post about the contents if he wishes to

#

It’s what he’s done for the past 3 arks of omens

arctic talon
# uneven temple No? That's what the synopsis of novel says

The synopsis is “Alone in Imperium Nihilus, without the Emperor, the Imperium, or his sons, the Lion faces a terrible challenge. He meets a formidable Chaos warband led by one of his traitorous sons, and must call upon every ally he can. He’ll even need to rally his Fallen knights, who have been hunted across the galaxy as they awaited the day their father would return”

uneven temple
#

This milestone novel is an essential read for fans of the Dark Angels, and tells the tale of events leading up to Arks of Omen: The Lion

brisk beacon
#

Or like a one time kinda book

arctic talon
#

No

#

It’s a single book

#

It ties into the arks of omen book

uneven temple
#

Now maybe the novel will deliver or it won't, but the arks book not explaining how he got there isn't surprising

arctic talon
#

I’m assuming it’s his weird forest walk ability

#

He has

uneven temple
#

They gonna make us buy the novel and the campaign book both for the full story

crimson kayak
#

His voyage to help the DA is gonna be in son of the forest

brisk beacon
#

Lol stonks

uneven temple
#

Yeah, how he gathers members of the fallen

arctic talon
#

Also

crimson kayak
#

Meanwhile his arrival is gonna be in AoO: The lion

arctic talon
#

The arks of omen book is more valuable if you play the actual game tbh

crisp heath
#

Oh hey Azrael has a back banner

#

Didn't expect that

arctic talon
#

Mostly since it has rules

uneven temple
#

Yarr matey I sail the high seas often

arctic talon
#

Lol

brisk beacon
#

Anyway to read these 🏴‍☠️

#

??

#

Let me ask this in a official 40k server

crimson kayak
arctic talon
#

So there’s nothing to pirate

#

Lmao

brisk beacon
arctic talon
#

The usual places you’d find pirated warhammer content

#

Don’t ask o on the main 40k server

#

They have a don’t talk about piracy thing

#

that doesn’t include DMs however

brisk beacon
#

Oh yes

crimson kayak
#

(btw I hope the warband mentioned in son of the forest is Marbas's because lion head daemon prince is too cool to pass up)

rose thorn
#

I’m trying to think of the most ‘tragic’ loyalest legion

#

But like

#

Chapter same thing

celest dome
#

Blood Angels, and Lamenters

rose thorn
#

Why do they even bother with making more BA if they are all ticking time bombs anyhow?

crimson kayak
#

Because when they explode you just gotta point em to the enemy

rose thorn
#

Fair

arctic talon
rose thorn
rose thorn
iron locust
#

Celestial Lions: I wouldn’t say tragic, but definitely beaten into the dirt more than was needed

midnight ore
rose thorn
#

Short ig

rose thorn
#

After uhhhh

#

Ha ha pirate go yarr

iron locust
#

I’m not sure I just remember that the inquisition sent an assassin over the maledictum just to kill their chapter master

#

After their homeworld was invaded by daemons

#

After that I don’t know what happened to them

green loom
#

You're probably thinking Lamenters or Mantis Warriors

#

Celestial Lions got dicked by the Inquisition

rose thorn
#

I know raven gaurd are pretty bummed out. But that’s mainly HH in 40k they aren’t too bad

viscid bluff
#

geneseed is very valuable

#

a good majority of BAs are also pretty likely to die before they succumb to it anyhow

coarse pumice
#

Blood Angels are also well known and popular

#

and their primarch regarded as a big hero

midnight ore
# rose thorn Short ig

they are the chapter that bears the hardest burden, “the hardest part of the job is that you can’t save everyone” watch/read his angels

gloomy citrus
viscid bluff
#

i mean, that's not relevant to any point before M42

coarse pumice
#

genesneed

viscid bluff
#

but like

#

the BAs are good at what they do. the death company is basically their suicide-mission guys

#

and if they survive that eventually astorath the grim will come execute them

midnight ore
#

they are effective

viscid bluff
#

its not the biggest issue in the world, and if you kill off the BAs you're just overall losing space marines

#

because space marine chapters are fucking weird people won't just come recruit from Baal and the other worlds the BA chapters recruited from

midnight ore
#

and dante + the sanguinor are assets

green loom
#

@languid salmon The Octarius war ended already, Nids won

languid salmon
#

I know and it kind of saddens me. just imagine after everything the only thing let in that galaxy was that war in a forever stalemate and both sides living their best life out of it.

green loom
#

Can thank Ghazzy for tipping the scales

midnight ore
#

ol bale eye may or may not have kicked the bucket/become an imperial greater daemon

green loom
#

Like hell he did

languid salmon
#

what also kind of sad was an ork player got me into 40k and as a birthday gift I got him the second part of the octarius war book to go with my first part to play some scenarios in it then found out what happens to the orks in it. so my gift ended up being the knowledge that his faction lost the war and mine won

green loom
#

Him becoming anything means Guard get nice lore, we aren't allowed that Sitgryn

coarse pumice
#

at least you aren't the Eldar and have your main archetypes taken from you and given to other factions

rose thorn
#

On the topic of nids, whats the sythes of the emperor’s ‘thing’

green loom
#

Being dead, because they're all dead

rose thorn
#

Ah

crimson kayak
green loom
#

Only some primaris left now who've got pure GSeed

languid salmon
green loom
#

Only primaris

#

All the firstborn die in the Cawl book

coarse pumice
#

when primaris were released

languid salmon
#

huh ok then

green loom
#

But if you mean the genestealers stuff

#

Their geneseed banks got corrupted by cultists

#

And some of them as well

rose thorn
#

Wow, I have the cawl book but I didn’t get far in it

green loom
#

It didn't work on them like it did with humans where they get brainwashed pretty much instantly

rose thorn
#

I just assumed they were made specially for the book

languid salmon
#

wait that can happen?! sweet when do we get genestealer marines?

green loom
#

But it lets the Patriarch and other Cultist excert a good amount of influence on them

coarse pumice
#

imagine you're a fan of batman, and then they release a new batman comic with a new guy who's called bigger batman. he does everything batman does but is bigger and better

midnight ore
green loom
#

They're mentally strong enough to combat it, but they get stunned when faced with the cultists/patriarch

#

Effectively all it does is get them killed

arctic talon
languid salmon
#

so new stratgem for genestealer cults vs marines

languid salmon
rose thorn
#

Im@pretty sure when a marine is infected, he just reports to his local Chaplin for ‘consultation’

arctic talon
languid salmon
#

chaos has more of it than tyranids do

midnight ore
rose thorn
#

Uh Oh

arctic talon
midnight ore
#

yes

arctic talon
#

So nids have tons of plot armor by that definition

midnight ore
#

unless something directly kills the hive mind which can’t happen

arctic talon
#

Yeah

#

It got bonked on the head by the great rift opening

#

But it was back at it a few minutes later

rose thorn
languid salmon
arctic talon
#

So like

#

Most codexes

#

The only codexes I can think of that are mostly wins

green loom
arctic talon
#

Are literally the marine

#

And dark eldar ones

#

Mostly because their victories ultimately mean nothing

rose thorn
arctic talon
#

Yeah

#

The original chapter is fucking gone

rose thorn
#

So nothing cool going on with them now? Damn

arctic talon
#

I mean

#

Nothing cool goes on

#

With most chapters lol

rose thorn
#

lmaO

#

Also why the fuck do they actually have scythes

green loom
#

The OG guys failed and didn't want to pass stuff on

arctic talon
languid salmon
rose thorn
arctic talon
#

My point still stands that most codexes have more L’s then W’s

rose thorn
arctic talon
#

Dark eldar is all W’s

#

Mostly because their victories are

#

They enslave a trillion humans

#

And send them to be horrifically tortured

rose thorn
#

They just bum rush planets before anyone can do anything

languid salmon
#

harliquins was mostly wins,

arctic talon
#

They got a few million imperial refugees

#

To literally walk onto their ships

rose thorn
#

Poor tau

arctic talon
#

Real smart refugees

languid salmon
#

funnily enough one of the wins for the tyranids was hive fleet hydra eating an entire dark eldar raiding party that woke it up

arctic talon
#

Also the craftworld eldar and harlequins share a codex now

languid salmon
rose thorn
#

Im very tempted to get drukhari and get some of those uhh u forgot what they were called, and paint their skin blue

#

Not grotesque the other one

arctic talon
rose thorn
#

The big pain engine guys

arctic talon
#

Talos

#

My beloved

rose thorn
#

YEAH

languid salmon
#

I know the 9th edition codexes have barely any lore in them

rose thorn
#

i love them

arctic talon
#

Mostly

#

The marine and eldar codexes might as well be blunt force trauma weapons

rose thorn
#

All the homunculi covens are baller

#

Shame their like, only hq model aged like milk

arctic talon
#

Also half their models are on rotation

#

Dark eldar need updates

#

Badly lol

#

Kabalite and wych cults are mostly fine

#

But covens are still like over 50% resin

#

Which is pretty funny

languid salmon
#

yeah maybe 11th edition they will be the focus and get redone

arctic talon
#

Maybe

#

But I have a feeling they’ll get the same treatment as craftworlds

#

Multiple small waves

#

The new nid minis are great

#

So far

rose thorn
#

Yeah considering one of their most important kits enter the shadow realm for 10 months a year

#

I don’t feel bad for planning my 3d prints

languid salmon
#

and then the marines get more stuff that their codex is bigger than all the xeno codexes combined

arctic talon
#

Lol

#

They are GW’s prefered child

#

And they also make a lot of money

#

Which both sucks

#

And is nice

languid salmon
# arctic talon So far

yep I was really worried when I heard the redid termagaunts because the old one still hold up really well for me. now lets hope the redo the lictor because that resin one constanlty breaks

arctic talon
#

Mostly since it lets GW release mini updates they know that won’t sell well

#

But it’s unfortunate because

#

** more marines**

arctic talon
#

Gives some nice texture

languid salmon
#

well I may just have to get a couple. Might help with the facts its so boring painting tyranid infantry

languid salmon
#

weridly enough the new ones look easier to paint

arctic talon
#

They have more defined surfaces

rose thorn
arctic talon
#

Imo is the big one

#

Yeah

#

Nids are so good for contrasts

rose thorn
#

i wanted to start a nid army but i decided to hold off because i didnt like the start collecting

#

im glad i did

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nto start collecint its the uhh,,,,,

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combat patrol

languid salmon
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yep started using them and its so nice but unfortunately I already base coated a bunch black

arctic talon
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But it is a living thing

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That shoots out beetles

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That burrow into your skin and eat you

languid salmon
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flesh borer

gloomy citrus
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Sounds like a DG weapon.

languid salmon
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DG?

arctic talon
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death guard

languid salmon
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ah. aren't their bolters called plague bolters or something like that?

arctic talon
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Yeah

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They’re normal bolters