40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

if you can learn how to paint minis then i dont see how you wouldn't be able to learn how to use a printer

[arctic talon]

Idk

[crystal forum]

personally i'm never painting anything because i'm going to mess it up

[copper patrol]

nah

get that mind set out

you can do it

[arctic talon]

Painting is “easy” to learn

Yeah

You’ll mess up, so what

[copper patrol]

like my drawing skills

[green loom]

I'm never painting anything because I can't get my hands on anything

[copper patrol]

are like

[arctic talon]

Just remember to thin your paints

[copper patrol]

the most dogshit thing you have ever seen

but even I can paint ok

and like all my other artistic stuff is terrible

[plush mason]

i will never get into hobby gaming even if i had the money too, my hands shake way to badly to paint something that small :/

[copper patrol]

even my handwriting is bad

[green loom]

Also people here consider minis and basically anything not designer clothes or cars a waste of money and "not manly" or something braindead along those lines

[plush mason]

ngl brains seem to be in short supply these days

[arctic talon]

Stab them with a hobby knife/s

[copper patrol]

nono

remove the /s

[crystal forum]

that's funny considering how much of a sausagefest the minis community is

[copper patrol]

defend your honor with a small chain weapon

[plush mason]

but the knife might break and that would be a waste

[gloomy citrus]

A small bolter is better.

[arctic talon]

There is only one winner in a knife fight

And it’s whoever has the knife

[crystal forum]

what if both have a knife

[plush mason]

then you bring a hammer :P

[copper patrol]

then you both lose

[green loom]

Yeah well you know, Eastern Europe will be Eastern Europe

[arctic talon]

The knives win both humans lose

[plush mason]

why is it the "east" side of an area is always the backwards side?

[crystal forum]

do you have something to say about the east coast

[plush mason]

as i have lived in North Carolina all my life, yes

the east coast is backwards as hell

[crystal forum]

at least you're not in south carolina

see the east coast generally gets worse the more you go south

[plush mason]

true

[crystal forum]

florida is the ninth circle of hell

[green loom]

Applicable to Europe

[crystal forum]

where in europe

[green loom]

As in the further south you go in the east the worse it gets

[crystal forum]

idk i've heard that even latvia is pretty bad for non "typical" people

[green loom]

It gets worse

[versed ledge]

Eastern Europe can't be that bad

Also any fellow yanks here from the western states?

[iron locust]

What about it?

[crisp heath]

Eastern Europe can't be that bad
My brother in christ my Turkish friend is crying because she held a euro for the first time

[versed ledge]

It's that bad

As for the west in the Yankee land, it feels weird to be in the most prosperous segment of the state, yet still see lower hive like conditions

[iron locust]

By state you mean California or any of the western states

[versed ledge]

The former

[celest dome]

Is Turkey Eastern Europe?

[versed ledge]

What, no? It's more of Mediterranean and north Africa, at best very very southern Europe

[crisp heath]

West asia/eastern Europe

[versed ledge]

Still great food there, or so I hear and see

[crisp heath]

This is an actual debate and it's never a pretty one lmao

[celest dome]

Never really considered it as Europe

[versed ledge]

We really ought to have an off topic channel

[crisp heath]

I never thought of it as Asia but apparently OH BOY

[open pumice]

What want

[open pumice]

California isnt real

LA is a hive city

Its one of the only places on earth where you can see some of the richest people trying and failing to ignore some of the poorest people

Before telling you that you should fix the poor people problem for them

It is the only place where you cab stare at a beuritiful beach while actively having to avoid stepping in some crackheads actual litteral feces

[thick cedar]

what happens if horus wins

[open pumice]

The entire imperium becomes LA

Truly

A fate worse than death

[iron locust]

Doesn’t San Diego have this one area that’s only accessible by car or something and has been a spot of concentrated deterioration

[versed ledge]

A fellow hiveworlder!

[versed ledge]

As someone whole lives there, yes

I forget what's it called

[iron locust]

The underhive then

[versed ledge]

Gotta love the mid hive life

[open pumice]

I dont live in cali

[crystal forum]

that's pretty much every major metropolitan city i've ever been to

except in LA there's far fewer skyscrapers

[open pumice]

and more insanely rich people

[crystal forum]

have you ever seen the richer parts of new york

[open pumice]

New york also isn't real

[crystal forum]

what about london

[open pumice]

London is, unforunately, very real

[crystal forum]

what makes a city real

[open pumice]

Your reading too far into this bit

this s a very surface level low iq shitpost

[crystal forum]

am i real

[open pumice]

I got bad new for you

You are, unfortunately

very real

this is terminal

I understand if you need some time to process this

[crystal forum]

if i go to the area formerly designated as new york city do i see a massive empty space or do i become unreal

[open pumice]

You t r a n s c e n d

[versed ledge]

Well at least we haven't reach grimdark level of nonsense, right?

Right?!

[plush mason]

so where there Ogryn living on Cadia?

[uneven temple]

prolly everywhere

hive cities, barracks, spaceports, etc

[signal bramble]

I watched a video earlier today about Admech lore and he didn’t even include the best grim dark bit. Where the Admech threw Tau civilians in to a volcano for the lulz.

Yes really.

That happens.

An excerpt from the first farsight book:

Every day the Adeptus Mechanicus send out their Skitarii legions to round up the scattered tau civilians that have been unable to leave the planet. Long columns of aliens are herded across the plains by pitiless Skitarii killers with their faces half-hidden by rebreather masks. Wherever the tau rebel – and it is always, always en masse – they are put down without hesitation by rad bullet and galvanic charge.

Long trails of corpses scar the land as a result, picked over by bald carrion and mangy savannah leonids. Some of these cadavers have decayed to the point the ground is covered by long chains of broken skeletons. At the end of these bone roads are the volcano complexes where the geothermic energy is farmed. The tau captives are marched into these underground lairs and either herded onto high platforms or pushed onto crude transit belts.

Electric currents often flow through these conveyors, their charge enough to stun the tau and prevent them breaking free. Then the unfortunate captives are simply carried over the edge of mechanical cliffs to fall into the magma, each xenos civilian burning bright yellow as he or she sinks into the molten rock. The Adeptus Mechanicus claim detachment, as usual They say they are simply adding fuel, the better to power the steam engines high above.

But I know better. This is a lesson, a statement so vile and extreme it will be carried by word of mouth across the Damocles Gulf and still further afield. The message is clear enough – those who sought to take advantage of the Imperium will find themselves on the pyre, becoming part of humanity’s great war machine in a far more direct fashion than they intended. Cross the sovereign territory of Mankind at your peril. We have inhumanity to spare.

[storm jungle]

one of the most scooby doo parts of the lore

like imagine writing this with a straight face

[crystal forum]

i like it

[versed ledge]

That was in a farsight book called "crisis of faith"

[crystal forum]

i love 40k because of these "oh my god that's fucked" situations

[versed ledge]

Never did understood why the admech tentacle freak did that, the mechanicus even broke the humans in that place

[thick cedar]

Whats the emprahs opinion on if humanity all became psykers?

[shadow plover]

Wouldn't be running out of fuel any time soon at least

[open pumice]

that was his plan

[tacit cradle]

how lore accurate for slaneeshi traitor guardsmen to wear bdsm mask and pink-purple armor?

[celest dome]

Could be imagineable, like the Scab already have spikes on their armours, so they customize their stuff al the them

[open pumice]

very

[mystic geyser]

@tacit cradle Sons of Sek wear pretty crazy masks

[celest dome]

Son of Sek are Khornate no ?

[tacit cradle]

good (planning to make a cosplay, but im poor so ill buy some cheap shit from aliexpress and put myself together)

making a traior guardsmen helmet out of this

with some paint, superglue, instant cofee caps and spikes

[heavy bison]

Offshoot of Blood Pact, so yeah.

[heavy bison]

Is it written down anywhere what happens to the bio forms like Hybrids and Abberants when the Hive Fleet arrives and starts to consume the biomass?

[green loom]

Pretty sure they just all get eaten

[celest dome]

^

Some GSC realise it, but most don't even realise it

[green loom]

I know there's like, one cult that got ships and then followed the hive fleet around iirc

But generally they just get cut off from the hive mind and chomped

[green loom]

Forint moment

[heavy bison]

Just trying to figure out a justification for my Counts-as warrior idea. Might just be narratively that they’ve been isolated on a hulk so long that the Abberants are most of what remains of the cult.

[green loom]

How, or more likely why would they transport them

[heavy bison]

I’ll probably do a 2nd kill Team and flavour them as Ymgarl Genestealers and kitbash some actual warriors into like, larger Genestealers or something. Since the Ymgarl sun variant have shape shifting ability.

[green loom]

Iirc most Nids just get eaten once they have no use for them

[heavy bison]

I just don’t like the look of Warriors/Tyrantguards but want the option for KT lol.

[celest dome]

Could just have the Tyr Hivemind be very lucky and encounter GSC everywhere

[heavy bison]

I had this idea of kitbashing some Abberants and Hypermorphs into counts-as warriors.

Since I only need 3

And a Mining laser is a good proxy for a Venom Cannon.

[echo vault]

Is there a gun in 40k that's the equivalent of this

There's neural shredders and such

But this is called a captive bolt gun

[heavy bison]

I mean a jackhammer.

[echo vault]

Do the bolter rounds scale up with the gun, like are Vulcan mega bolter rounds massive

[heavy bison]

The VMB is higher caliber than the Heavy Bolter. Just like Goldwyn Deaz pattern bolt guns and others designed for humans are smaller than an Astartes bolt gun.

[echo vault]

Big

[celest dome]

Other wise, normal Bolter, Boltpistol and Astartes equivalent are all in 0.75 calibre (though nothing known about the length of the bolt) while Heavy Bolter are 0.9

[heavy bison]

I assume Bolt Pistols and Bolt Rifles shoot the same round.

[echo vault]

This is the best gun

Bolter variant

[heavy bison]

Strategically it seems sus to have that ammo feed exposed instead of just a big armored box behind the arm.

I like the way the Warhound does it better.

Almost like a titan sized storm bolter.

[near wasp]

I know the Apothecary have a piston driven spike to put down suffering marines.

[celest dome]

The Narceium ?

[near wasp]

Yeah, thats the closest thing i can think of

[echo vault]

Yee

[celest dome]

Isn't it a Drill ? Not a Spike ?

[celest dome]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Titan_close_combat_weapon#Titan_Power_Ram

[crimson kayak]

literally any gun that shoots a solid piece of metal instead of a bullet

[copper patrol]

why does it look so long

[heavy bison]

“The Narthecium also includes a pistol-like tool to deliver the Emperor's Peace by piercing the battle-brother's skull and brain with a metal piston. This is messy and often inefficient, though it will kill the mortally-wounded Astartes with little pain.”

“The Narthecium also contains a highly secret concoction of poisons that react swiftly with a Space Marine's biology, causing massive heart failure. Even the existence of these poisons is a secret known only to the Adeptus Astartes and high-ranking members of the Adeptus Terra.

Other, non-Codex Astartes-compliant Chapters use their own variants of this equipment. Blood Angels Sanguinary Priests carry the Acus Placidus, a wrist-mounted pistol for euthanising those Blood Angels too seriously wounded to recover.”

[crimson kayak]

because it is lol

[celest dome]

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[burnt plover]

handled

[celest dome]

ty

[nocturne crest]

So do you think there will be more stuff with Vashtorr in the future?

[crimson kayak]

probably, probably not

[coarse pumice]

were hive worlds originally a GW take on Mega City One?

[versed ledge]

What did I miss this time?

Lewds got blammed again?

[celest dome]

Hive Cities were a theoretical superstructure

That people were were talking about it before

[crisp heath]

Does anyone know where I can find a list of things that are GW's protected IP? I'm writing a sci fi story and I realized some of the stuff I put in there is very 40k and I want to make sure I don't get a C&D as soon as the first part goes public

[celest dome]

As long as you don't use words that come from 40k and it's blatant you should be alright

[coarse pumice]

looking at the backs of the board in Block Mania, the 2000AD board game

[heavy bison]

40k as a whole has some inspiration from various 2000ad comics. Judge Dredd is just one of them.

[coarse pumice]

not to mention arbites were thinly veiled judges

in appearance

[heavy bison]

A lot of the stuff like Death Worlds and the various military hardware used by the Millitarum is very reminiscent of Rogue Trooper.

[coarse pumice]

yeah

[crimson kayak]

This, there's a reason all things now have weird Latin names after all

[celest dome]

Forge Worlds iirc come from a book, not sure if it was from Azimov or one of his contemporary

[heavy bison]

Genestealers are basically Xenomorphs.

[coarse pumice]

Probably Foundation, which is also the basis of basically all space-empires in science fiction, where the technological knowledge was kept guarded in the families of the Tech-Men, and even then they only knew how to maintain it, and not to make anything new and the Galactic Empire was gradually losing it's technological capability

[celest dome]

Xenomorph were also copied from an older book iirc

[celest dome]

Might be, haven't read them in a long long time

[coarse pumice]

and the bit with Vandire's forcefield was based on one of the foundation chapters where the guy shrugs off a blaster shot with his forcefield to convince the religious civilians not to back their leaders who were going to try and invade the Foundation world

[rain dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR9-HVlYfrk

🫡

[crisp heath]

Honestly I wish we had a lot more details about the fringe cults in the mechanicum, really an untapped resevoir

[celest dome]

I'm hoping we see more/different Priest/Monk hoods

[crisp heath]

Shamanic enginseers who repair machines by going on vr "journeys" and communing directly with the machine spirit, psyker daoist techpriests who can directly interact with motive force like Kung fu chi, a backwater world that's just robo-jonestown with a cult leader fabricator general who forces the faithful to self-servitorize

Give me fringe mechanicum

[versed ledge]

Can we make hive cities IRL?

But with more an arcology approach

[celest dome]

I mean, in essence Hives are supposed to be ecological, as they are Geothermic, and supposed to be nearly autonomus
Just that the 40k ones are basically miss managed, rusted to the core, and with many of the Life system being shut down

But realistically, living in nearly any Hive would suck for 90%+ of the population

[summer rover]

tea thinking of things that GW won't use because they're just plots from existing sci-fi properties

[crimson kayak]

with current tech, lolnope

[signal bramble]

The electro priests are a lot like that. The fulgurites specifically who use motive force staff fighting.

Hell they even rip the motive force energy out of the enemies they kill like Shang Tsung devouring souls in mortal kombat.

[celest dome]

Both known kind use thr Motive Force, one leach it the other project it

[signal bramble]

Yep. Tea mentioned motive force kung fu and I immediately thought of these guys.

Hell they’re all blind to because the energy melts out their eyes and they navigate by sensing the motive force energy like chi.

In Steel Tread we also learn there are tech witches, basically machine witchcraft not sanctioned by the tech priests that practice in secret like witches living out in a swamp.

So there are hints of some fringe elements for sure.

[celest dome]

Wasn't there something in the old lore about a cult that used Dark Age Technology that basically was Gladiatoral Suits that let them control small Drones and stuff ?

[signal bramble]

Possibly. I’ve never heard of it though.

I tend to focus more on the current lore and such.

[summer rover]

that's becuase it's like a half-paragraph joking about that robot wars show.

[celest dome]

sadge

[crimson kayak]

So, boltgun trailer dropped.... anyone knows dafuq is this?

[summer rover]

bloom flaring?or do you mean the ambull?

[crimson kayak]

meant the ambull

[summer rover]

GW used to make D&D minis before they made warhammer. tried to jam as much of their back cataloge into the game. ambull is their old umber hulk mini repurposed.

[rose thorn]

I love techno priests I hope they get more models

[celest dome]

Electro Priest

[crimson kayak]

Rave priest

[rose thorn]

Thanks Lmao that was a Brian shortage on my part

Brain

[versed ledge]

Are there battle sisters that retreats?

Or is that a myth?

[green loom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8ebx97/book_excerpt_cains_last_stand_ciaphas_cains_being/

I figure they retreat if they aren't like, dedicated to holding ground or have a more important target

But as far as I can tell, they're not the types to give out

[versed ledge]

Damn, they're hard core.

[fathom solstice]

They may fall back into a more advantaged position or do a tactile withdrawal, in the hammer & bolter animation "A Question of Faith" the two sisters fell back deeper into the temple to use choke points to funnel the enemy numbers and await reinforcements. The problem arose when the enemy blew up a wall surprising the Sisters and opening a line of attack.

[summer rover]

sometimes they do panic though.

[undone zodiac]

Yeah

Reason why repentia exist

[celest dome]

Nope

Retreating from combat doesn't mean that they are gonna be forced into Repentia squads

Fleeing while having gotten order could though

[crystal forum]

militaries wouldn't last very long if tactical retreating wasn't ever an option. If you see that you're clearly advancing into a trap or you're caught in a very bad position then why not regroup somewhere else?

of course that's not counting the fact that you might be defending something important

[summer rover]

it's really up to their superiors if they deserve punishment for fleeing, and given warhammer, there's plenty of reasons to say it's justified

depends on if your running causes a greater loss, really

[crystal forum]

one of the first units that pops up to mind when i think no retreat at all is the adeptus arbites

but they also aren't stupid and leave compromised positions if it means stronger defensive positions somewhere else

[copper patrol]

the cops?

[crystal forum]

super cops

straight up ripped from judge dredd comics

[copper patrol]

I mean why do the cops not retreat if they need to

[crystal forum]

arbites are famously the last line of defence on all worlds who have them stationed (which is pretty much all of them)

if a world is corrupted by chaos, they're the last ones to fall.

dead, mind you. They wouldn't ever waver in their beliefs in the law

it's pretty badass how they're meant to die. all they do is give the imperium more time to arrive and fix the situation. If they have the capabilities they can also send out an alert signal

i wish there was more lore about them. The wiki page on the arbites is just the same 10 paragraphs copy pasted everywhere lol

[green loom]

Yeah, be tactical until there's nothing but the Precinct Fortress left, then it's just a last stand

[summer rover]

it's also usually not true. the arbites are actually one of the most corrupt groups in the imperium on most cities. usually the arbites toady up to the nobles who outrank them and ignore any part of their job that's just druge work with the poor

[storm jungle]

The new killteam book also gives lots of arbites lore

one of my favorites is they will almost NEVER interfere with most of the planet's events.

They will let actual civil wars happen and not lift a finger if it means a useless or bad planetary governor or nobility line is being replaced.

[summer rover]

well, bad in their opinion.

[storm jungle]

No just bad

like not being able to keep up with the tithe

its not their job to interfere with politics

[green loom]

They're just there for the tithe no

[storm jungle]

Nah its a messy deal

[green loom]

You have enforcers for regular police work

[storm jungle]

Its hard to explain because Lex lore is so fucked up fluff wise

[summer rover]

the arbites are enforcers. nobles sometimes have private enforcers but the arbites are explictly law enforcers. note that doesn't make them law understanders, and the imperium's laws are thosuands of years old and written on terra without any input from the other worlds.

[crystal forum]

arbites also double as lawyers though

[summer rover]

every gang in necromunda is technically the privat eenforcement of a noble house, none of them bother with enforcing imperial law.

[crystal forum]

the arbite's job is to uphold the law that has to do with the imperium. they don't care about local laws

[summer rover]

yeah, "judge, jury, and executioner" is not exactly a positive talking point.

[crystal forum]

it's their jobs though 🤷‍♂️

[summer rover]

it'd be funny to have a scene where the arbites are enforcing imperial law and space marines come through and kill them all because the criminals were less of an obstruction to their hunting a chaos cult than the arbites have become

[crystal forum]

there's this blurb somewhere that every arbite wishes to pilgrim to terra to visit the place where they store all the law thingies

[storm jungle]

apparently said book is also getting slowly eaten by book-worms

which is

[green loom]

Gambol sad

[storm jungle]

oh nvm

they eat people too

FUN

[green loom]

Surprised no one has weaponised them

[storm jungle]

F in the chat for all those poor interns

[crystal forum]

i just love the idea that terra has so many books that if you go far enough you'll just find dust

[summer rover]

probably used to kill opposing archivists

[crisp heath]

Librarians are truly dangerous creatures

[crystal forum]

usually when hearing about archives on terra i'd love to be there and explore all the books but here it's straight up just boring legal work

[green loom]

"Fortified Library"
I bet it used to be a normal fortress but the tome got so big that they just repurposed the entire fortress for it

[storm jungle]

You'll die to many things knowing its 40k

[crisp heath]

I like how this passage is like "no book could contain this vast amount information. Anyway, here's where we keep the book."

[storm jungle]

Yeah it basically implies they more or less cut billions of chapters are out just to "small-ify" it for distribution

[crystal forum]

i wonder if they charge you money to have access to the archive

[green loom]

They charge you money to know about it

And probably will charge you for espionage

[undone zodiac]

Speaking of arbites i hope gw refurbishes arvites box

I wamt one

[crimson kayak]

Probably gonna be thrown around as agents of the imperium

[signal bramble]

All the kill teams get a solo release eventually.

The killteams usually require buying 2-3 boxes to have every option available.

That new agents of the imperium box is great you can make 2-3 kill teams with it if you want.

[versed ledge]

What's freedom in the imperium

[undone zodiac]

Those frenzons got me acting unwise

[bright birch]

In a DH game we injected a administratum clerk with frenzon so they would berserk charge a demonhost we couldnt kill

[crystal forum]

i've seen frenzon mentined but i don't know what it does

i didn't know it was actually on the tabletop

[bright birch]

In the RPGs it is

[versed ledge]

Amasec is average, heh. One would think it would be abundant. But tranquilizers sure are

[bright birch]

It makes you frenzied, which makes you immune to fear and basically you have to charge enemies (or friendlies if no enemies are around)

[signal bramble]

You're free to die for the emperor at the behest of your superiors.

[crystal forum]

it legit sounds like some sort of antifreeze brand

[bright birch]

I mean, with how gnarly everything is in the Imperium

It probably is antifreeze mixed with a tonne of stimulants lmao

[crystal forum]

recaf and amasec arent addictive apparently

[signal bramble]

Recaf is just 40k coffee so I imagine it’s as addictive as coffee can be and amasec is usually fancy alcohol.

[storm jungle]

Haha, coffee

Not addictive

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-twitch-phillip-j-fry-coffee-addict-gif-5758938

me rn

[midnight ore]

don’t uh, accidentally have frenzon in place of coffee

but if you do it will at least wake you up

[thick cedar]

How effective are psykers against ai? Can they read their minds and do psykers have any sort of advantage over them?

things like machines, androids, ect

[vale shuttle]

machines have no souls, so they can't read their minds or manipulate their souls or anything like that

but psykers can also just magic missile shit and robots are not immune to being magic missiled

[midnight ore]

this is true

machines and ai have no connection to the warp, aka no soul

like a non human blank if that makes sense

[crisp heath]

I mean machines clearly have some kind of connection to the warp

Chaos can corrupt them no problem

Vashtorr corrupts ships in Arks of Omen, in Red Tithe a Night Lord sorcerer uses corrupted machines to imitate voices, there's tons of Chaos scrap code out there

Vashtorr is even explicitly said to be corrupting the machine spirit and not just "evilifying" the matter of the ship, so it's more or less like corrupting a human

[summer rover]

i mean, the warp affects whatever it likes, it's not like there's a connection required

[open pumice]

yeah

the warp just like

decides to corrupt whatever the fuck it wants

durring the siege of terra the completely inanimate space port lions gate space port was heavily corrupted by nurgle while the DG occupied it

[midnight ore]

yes

this is true ^^

[open pumice]

walls, to my knowledge, do nto have a psychci presence

[summer rover]

40k doesn't work like fantasy, the warp is just "mental crap that fucks up matter and does whatever the plot needs.

[open pumice]

thats how it worked in fantasy too

the gods were just less powerful in the fantasy world

because there werent endless billions of humans constnatly suffering under mega-ultra-super-facists

[midnight ore]

tzeentch plays warhammer

[summer rover]

no, it worked very differently in fantasy. chaos couldn't directly affect things if there wasn't dark magic in the area, and there was non-chaos related magic.

also khorne had directly fought in battle there. and lost. badly.

[crisp heath]

Regardless, I don't think it's very clear cut that machines don't have souls in 40k. It's one of those things that seems to depend on authors.

There's the "intelligence without a soul is anathema" bit, but other times even non-AI machines seem to have souls depending on how the author writes machine spirits

[summer rover]

i mean, "machines" have souls in 40k. the admech keep strapping intern-brains into their crap for computers.

you'd THINK they'd clue to the obvious weakness there, but the admech don't really consider much

[crisp heath]

Also there are like 4 different ways to be "soulless" in 40k and they all have different effects lmao

[signal bramble]

Daily reminder that warp shenanigans work however the author wants them to.

[summer rover]

i'm pretty sure the whole problem is the emperor killed all the coding people establishing his empire and was dogshit at programming so his AIs were elon musk-level.

[green loom]

That Turkish coffee seems to be hitting different

[crimson kayak]

40k Scrap Code is basically a magic DDos attack on your machinery, technically it doesn't even need a computer to work as it's magic nurgle bullshit

Like, when glitchlings appear tanks rust away as hundreds of years passed

[thick cedar]

Doesnt the emperor want humanity to get back to technological advancement and the woman he assigned to lead it was killed because her ideas were deemed tech heresy?

Killed by humans, not the emperor

[vale shuttle]

if the emperor wanted to get back to tech advancement than allying with the mechanicus, who literally have "attempts to surpass the ancients is sacrilege" as doctrine, and not using his place as their perceived messiah to change that or at least nudge a change along is a bit questionable

i don't think there's any evidence big E wanted humanity to get back to technological innovation, just that he wasn't opposed to it. it definitely was not a priority of his administration

[crimson kayak]

It's just that tech advancement was a side effect of absolutely no religion

And so the imperial truth is often seen as the science victory route

[native wharf]

I was wondering. Is a Lord discordant a warpsmith even if a warpsmith is not a Lord discordant... or are the 2 entirely separate

[crimson kayak]

Both can be both, but warpsmith also knows how to operate the forges to make the daemon engines

Meanwhile lord discordant are just chaos guys very attuned with scrap-code litanies and tech

[native wharf]

So they don't make daemon engines?

[crimson kayak]

Warpsmiths do

But yeah, nothing prohibits that a warpsmith becomes a lord discordant or vice-versa

[native wharf]

Cool means I can calm my Discolord kitbash The Daemonsmith
Tis an unholy meld between marine and machine

And it would not break the lore

[crimson kayak]

btw just read up on the harlequin kiss weapon, and it's basically a one shotting blender

[sleek wigeon]

oh yeah that thing is pure fucked

it's like something you'd see the drukhari use just because its that effed up

[heavy bison]

Indeed, 'tis plug and play if you will.

[sleek wigeon]

also no chance of hitting yourself with it because of wraithbone

thing can oneshot astartes, possibly primaris, idk the power scaling but i dont think much could step up to an inside mixer

[heavy bison]

I mean if you actually read up on how most of the Tyrannid Bio Weapons work, they're just as horiffic.

Barbed Strangler just straight up starfishes when it hits organic matter and sends tendrils in every direction. Fuck you and fuck your battle brothers in your immediate vacinity.

[sleek wigeon]

that one with the brain worms

so much shit makes my skin crawl in 40K

even my favorite faction (admech) scare the everloving piss out of me for the whole body mutilation and servo-slavery thing

[crimson kayak]

technically lore-wise it can pierce armour so basically anything within a 100 meters in size is fucked.

[heavy bison]

I got a little bag of fake aquarium anemones that I want to place after a Barbed Strangler shot if I end up facing high model count KT's

[heavy bison]

The tube can, the wire is trapped inside the power armor.

[sleek wigeon]

ok yeah harlequin's kiss could possibly piece up primarchs then
tanks are equally as screwed too

[heavy bison]

And I mean it would be just as horrific against armor. Lil' tube pops in and the DEATH WIRE just starts flailing about slicing throuigh the crew.

[crimson kayak]

yep... but it's still 100 meters of that stuff, basically one could punch a baneblade and melt anyone inside

hell, technically with vehicles you would have to just aim for the barrel

[sleek wigeon]

i can only imagine the hell that would wreak on an imperial knight

hit the leg and possibly saw the thing off

[crimson kayak]

nope, gauntlet is armur piercing

so basically more shadow of the colossus

[sleek wigeon]

okay thats a fun concept for a 40K game

shadow of the colossus but you're a harlequin fighting the biggest mechs of each faction

[crimson kayak]

basically a solitaire game

[heavy bison]

I assume the wire itself isn't as capable of armor piercing. So in theory it should only be any good against something living inside the armored space that you've pierced.

[sleek wigeon]

got it there
less of an anti-armor, more of an anti-personnel
but it's anti-vehicle too since you cant fight with an unmanned vehicle

[heavy bison]

Yeah.

Honestly disabled vehicles should remain on board as cover/terrain.

[arctic talon]

gameplay wise that would be annoying as fuck

and would be very exploitable

flavor wise its a lot of fun tho

[versed ledge]

Vehicles for dark tide?

[celest dome]

For the TT

Not for Darktide

[versed ledge]

Ah I see

[storm jungle]

anyone who has played Payday 2 knows how vehicles are in horde shooters

[arctic talon]

The funny car

[storm jungle]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-10-2015/tgfM-m.gif

look at em goooo

[arctic talon]

I was talking about the armored van that shreds you alive but the vehicles in payday fee like they’re on ice lol

[plush mason]

i still have no idea why all the Russes in Atoma are demolishers

[celest dome]

Because they are local ?

[plush mason]

using a siege mortar against infantry seems a bit stupid

[arctic talon]

Prolly because that’s what they had on hand lol

[storm jungle]

Its just re-purposed

and yeah that

[arctic talon]

Also because collateral damage

Is like

Meh

Just blow them up

[storm jungle]

basically when you are invading a world with a tank factory they are gonna use those tanks against you.

[arctic talon]

A literal siege mortar

[plush mason]

true

[arctic talon]

Will demolish any armor

Or flesh

Just fine tbh

[plush mason]

yeah its more the whole "the infrastructure they are standing on is also gona get wrecked" thing

[celest dome]

Would love an escort mission where we have to follow/guide a Leman Russ Demolisher and open doors and stuff to let it pass through the area before it can bombard a target and then we have to escort it out

[plush mason]

would be cool yeah

[iron locust]

I gotta say after being used to the style of vehicles you see in the Guard and space marines, seeing a regular quad bike lying around feels wrong

[celest dome]

It's even present in game

[iron locust]

I’m referring to that one yes

[celest dome]

It's a civies vehicle

[iron locust]

It feels illegal to see a normal vehicle

[arctic talon]

That quad bike is in 40k

[iron locust]

Still feels illegal

[arctic talon]

Funny genestealer

[celest dome]

The bikes are also present iirc

As do the axes the bikers use

But we use them

[iron locust]

See it’s Xenos tech heresy

Hey that’s the Rashad axe

[celest dome]

Is that a Kickback ?

[arctic talon]

Maybe?

It’s just called a shotgun in rules

Genestealer technical my beloved

[versed ledge]

So what if we have a 40k themed restaurant, but we serve imperial food

[iron locust]

When people usually say they don’t want to live in 40k, it’s mostly about the regime and the wars and stuff. But what I think is bad is that depending on what year you enter in, you can spend your entire life and nothing major happens

[celest dome]

Corpse starch ?

[versed ledge]

Don't forget gruel and ration bars

[celest dome]

Still majorly suck for most people around

[versed ledge]

Or that thick milk that could pose as a choking hazard

[cloud tide]

Corpse starch

[versed ledge]

Watch it go under in a week

[arctic talon]

Like actual imperial food or the processed rations the average person eats lol

Because the imperium does have actual food

It’s just uh not common

[iron locust]

40k restaurant: necron food

[arctic talon]

[iron locust]

Can we get a channel that is for other 40k video games

[versed ledge]

Preferably actual imperial food

But I get a feeling it'll be mostly English or Irish cuisine

[arctic talon]

So mostly literal lizard meat

Lmao

Grox is the most common unprocessed meat

In the imperium

Which are giant lizards

[versed ledge]

Grox meat and cabbage

[arctic talon]

Lol

[versed ledge]

Grox meat with burgundy

[arctic talon]

Those weird root vegetables

[celest dome]

Could ask the warden to see with the CM

[arctic talon]

From imperium maladictum

[versed ledge]

Or slab, hash, and eggs

[iron locust]

Just a regular restaurant

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745324840097153167/1094698773130772530/Warhammer-40000-D184D18DD0BDD0B4D0BED0BCD18B-Chaos-28Wh-4000029-Imperium-7864717.png

Look at these tasty uh

Things

[versed ledge]

Hmmmm smog extra flavor

[iron locust]

They look like Nurgle infested sweet potatoes

[arctic talon]

It’s a beautiful new day on this agri world

[arctic talon]

Sort of huh

[dark stone]

https://youtu.be/X6RCLJ4pDaw

[versed ledge]

Are Tyranids edible?

I mean they're xeno bugs, but bugs are food

[summer rover]

no, they're usually full of toxins to weaponize.

[versed ledge]

Damn...that sucks ripper scampi sounded nice

[midnight ore]

please dont

your mother will miss you

[crystal forum]

man that sounds so much like him

[crystal forum]

love how the shotgun is one of those guns that never changed at all

[plush mason]

its a shotgun, not much to change

[crystal forum]

the boltgun changed a bit over the decades

[plush mason]

yeah because the original design was comically bad

[crystal forum]

it really does look runty

half the gun is the muzzle break lol

[summer rover]

i like the original marine bolter. looked like it could double as a club in a pinch.

no idea what's going on with that pistol though

[arctic talon]

The current bolter still feels like it can be used as a club ngl

[signal bramble]

I mean… the new executioner shotgun in the kill team is drastically different.

Cause obviously shotguns need a scope.

[plush mason]

that pains me

also

doggo

wait

is that really its name?

bestest boy

[plush mason]

shot pistol in darktide when?

[signal bramble]

Nah that’s what they called it on Twitter.

[plush mason]

lol

[summer rover]

why is there a suppressor on a shotgun

[plush mason]

to piss off people that know guns

[plush mason]

that thing is just a pump action sniper rifle

lord i hope it only fires slugs

[signal bramble]

The name actually means it’s a gun that fires shots.

Obviously.

[plush mason]

lol

[signal bramble]

This one has a normal shotty.

[signal bramble]

Oh yeah and the dog is called an R-VR Cyber Mastiff.

[signal bramble]

Also yes it is a sniper rifle.

Calling it a shotgun is weird af.

[summer rover]

carpace codpiece
stomach protected by cotton shirt.

[plush mason]

i know. but it very clearly has a pump action

[summer rover]

man, the sculptors are really straining to find a way to make these guys look interesting

[signal bramble]

Flak vest over fatigues is pretty normal. The normal guardsmen have that to.

I love the arbites ngl. They’re one of my favorite factions and I’d love to see an army with some urban assault vehicles and such.

[plush mason]

im just glad they look less like Judge Dredd clones

[summer rover]

they ARE judge dredd clones.

[plush mason]

i know

[summer rover]

if anything the lore's gotten more judge dredd over time.

[plush mason]

i like that shotgun

[signal bramble]

No stock, big and bulky, and I bet it lets out a nice satisfying bang when you shoot it.

[plush mason]

yeah

[heavy bison]

That’s not really an issue, pump action rifles are a thing.

[signal bramble]

Arbites be like:

“Surrender and die!”

“Don’t you mean surrender or die?”

“We know what we said!”

[crisp heath]

There were budget cuts so they had to make compromises. The union took a vote and they all decided they'd rather get shot in the stomach and die than get shot in the dick and survive.

[versed ledge]

A DMR that's a shotty? And with a. Suppressor?

[zenith sinew]

shotgun with 3 optics and a suppressor? It's adorable that they're trying to emulate real firearms, but I don't think they know what any of these things actually are

[versed ledge]

That is wild

Lasgun make a little more sense

[molten brook]

I had no clue gw released new models for arbiters. Very Nice.

[heavy bison]

Some of the other axes are in he various Necromunda sprues too.

[heavy bison]

Its one beefy optic.

[crisp heath]

If Valrak's latest Ark of Omens leak turns out to be legit Dark Angels are no longer on my list of pretty cool chapters

The most grimderp thing I've seen in a while

[plush mason]

?

that is a very bold claim given 40k's history

[versed ledge]

So I gotta ask, why the hell does a lasgun even have recoil, or need a bull pup variant, apart from "pew pew is cool"

[storm jungle]

Because it looks cool

do not question it

theres no lore reason for it and anyone that tries to explain why is just making a pointless argument

[plush mason]

it having recoil is fine, but why does it have so damn much? or are the guardsmen not even trained to hold their guns the right way?

[crisp heath]

Potential spoilers for the Arks of Omen: The Lion

||basically its revealed the Key is a weapon that will destroy the webway and turn the resulting blast of energy towards Terra. The Eldar aren't very fond of this and show up at the last second to ally with the Dark Angels, who are losing bad to Vashtorr. Together, they defeat the daemons, banish Vashtorr, and force Abaddon into retreat. Then Azrael surrounds the Eldar and has them all burned alive because they saw the fallen, despite the fact that they just saved the chapter from extinction and the Imperium itself. Dante watches this happen and was like "hey that was a bad move", Azrael basically just says "nah we do this all the time", and Dante immediately forgives him, then the Lion declines to comment and goes to find Guilliman.||

[storm jungle]

VERY interesting

also god my poor Eldar

[plush mason]

yeah i see what you mean

hell the DA may just surpass the SW in terms of grimderp if that is true

[storm jungle]

Somehow, Horus has returned.

[versed ledge]

Also let's not forget the weird spread, either someone didn't maintain their weapons well, or there's some serious grim derpery going on

[versed ledge]

WHAT

[plush mason]

yeah

tho frankly i just calk that up to typical bad FPS gunplay

[versed ledge]

That's even prevalent in the DOW installations

[plush mason]

true

[versed ledge]

I can attribute that to weird animations, but the spread seems consistent

[odd palm]

Crossing the Rubricon did something to Dante, seems he lost his spine so he can't stand up to Azrael

smh

[storm jungle]

IT WAS A STAR WARS JOKE

But pretty 40k

[plush mason]

the 9th movie doesnt exist

[versed ledge]

Lmao, but I can see that happening

[storm jungle]

[plush mason]

same

[storm jungle]

Also my favorite part in this is

"The lion is also here. Then he leaves."

🚪

[arctic talon]

Is this a leak lmao

[odd palm]

You have to ensure some of the big players get their 5 mins of the spotlight after all

[versed ledge]

A quick request does someone have a picture of a sister Hospitaller, gotta replace a profile pic in character.ai with a bot of sister Hospitaller

[storm jungle]

I have a few

brb

[versed ledge]

Thanks

[plush mason]

is it just me or does most of the black library love to use the eldar as a punching bag?

[versed ledge]

Because "screw elves", that's why

[storm jungle]

Its basically

• Eldar
• Nids
• Tau

the eternal punching bags

[plush mason]

my poor bug babies

[crisp heath]

Unironically, the claim is he fights angron but it sounds like no one is even around to see that happen, then he leaves

[crisp heath]

It's a Valrak leak

[arctic talon]

So

Take it with a grain of salt

Lmao

Okay got it

[storm jungle]

Yeah valrak is always 50/50

[plush mason]

good

[storm jungle]

I love how he was like "I GUESSED THE LION WOULD RETURN"

Bruh everyone and their grandmother knew

[crisp heath]

Eh his arks of Omen stuff has been pretty reliable, regardless of his reputation. He's getting the book this week and is going to spoil it, so I'm fine with believing it for now since he'll correct it soon

[versed ledge]

Thanks

[storm jungle]

Also yeah Valrak is harmless

hes just a bit uh

[arctic talon]

Like I said I’m waiting for that over a leak lol

If it’s true

Okay

Sure why not

If it isn’t same thing applies

It would also funnily enough be the first time the Imperium wins in a supplement in 9e

[storm jungle]

Also a pretty big W too

AND

the xenos fuck-over makes it more believable

because fuck em right

[crisp heath]

I like to watch Valrak because he can make the most boring news sound hype

Keeps the hobby fun

[summer rover]

they maybe should've told the artists that chainsaw thing is so space marine apothecaries can harvest the geneseed of the fallen and not an actual medical tool used in the imperium.

[arctic talon]

Eldar incident number 20423143 💀

[storm jungle]

Space Marines don't have a patent on wrist-chainsaws

[summer rover]

they do have the only use for them

[storm jungle]

Its just a gauntlet chainsaw.

[crisp heath]

It's not the artist, they always had them

[storm jungle]

^

Its not that deep

its just a cutting tool

[crisp heath]

Also normal, non-astartes humans have ribcages

Like there is a reason for a doctor to have a chainsaw

[storm jungle]

I thought only Marines had bones and humans were just gelatin beings without them

[summer rover]

i mean in 40k that might be true- it'd explain some things

[storm jungle]

AAAA

also abhuman moment

[signal bramble]

Regular doctors use saws.

[crisp heath]

(Also old hospitaller looks so much better than the new ones)

[signal bramble]

Presumably the chainsaw is to take it more futuristic.

It’s called a “bonesaw” and is used for that reason.

[storm jungle]

Theres a reason the slang "sawbones" for doctors also exists

[storm jungle]

I'd say less futuristic, more just "backwards tech/grim implication"

[signal bramble]

Not really. Even modern orthopedic surgery uses rotary saws.

To cut through bone.

[storm jungle]

Thats a sterilized and advanced saw

[crisp heath]

Also it's hilarious to me that 40k Hospitallers are abnormally kind when historical hospitallers were uh... wow. Yeah.

[storm jungle]

not a dirty ass bloody one lol

[signal bramble]

They have antiseptic in 40k.

Presumably that saw was just used.

[storm jungle]

Thats... not the same thing

💀

[signal bramble]

Clean it off and use the antiseptic? It’s not that big a stretch of the imagination.

[storm jungle]

Bruh theres a difference between this

and this

Its literally a half medical/half combat tool

[signal bramble]

Well obviously, that’s a space marine saw and it has to be able to cut through the rib cage.

[signal bramble]

Ah at that magnification I thought it was a narthecium.

[storm jungle]

Anyway yeah its just there to look intimidating

i wouldnt delve too deep into it

[signal bramble]

Presumably the saw is also meant to cut away power armor.

Sisters wear it to.

[plush mason]

iirc IG medics also have a version of that gauntlet

[crisp heath]

That particular one also seems to be more of a handsaw than a chainsaw

[signal bramble]

It’s not hard to imagine a hospitaller sister cutting through armor to treat a wound.

[storm jungle]

Also it kinda depends, Hospitallers also make for excellent tortures and interrogaters as per lore

[summer rover]

someone just kinda assumed it was general med-tech and ordered it added to everyone.

[signal bramble]

Yep because they’re also good at making sure the subject stays alive in the process.

[summer rover]

everyone in 40k makes excellent tourterers in the lore! it's like the most common job in space!

[plush mason]

there is no such thing as the Hippocratic oath in the imperium lol

[signal bramble]

Probably shouldn’t read too much in to gameplay, but the hospitaller saw does have extra AP.

[crisp heath]

Yeah but they aren't a bunch of pirates who intentionally spread disease to extort entire nations, commit remarkably varied sexual crimes, and "borrow" peasants to kill. The 40k hospitallers are much less grimdark.

[storm jungle]

Wha-

[signal bramble]

There are a few individuals who take it up. The most noticeable is the field medic in the Tanith 1st and only.

[summer rover]

it's funny they kept the geneseed remover, but never adapted the backpacks full of medical supplies they have

[crisp heath]

Those are all things the Knights Hospitallers actually did lmao

[signal bramble]

Though he’s more a general pacifist I suppose.

[storm jungle]

Oh lol

idk the internet says crusaders were badass knights

so it MUST be true

[plush mason]

his life must be a special kind of hell

[vale shuttle]

Crusaders were cringe

[summer rover]

"remarkably varied sexual crimes" sums up the crusades pretty well, really

[vale shuttle]

they failed in all their crusades

and in the first one it got so bad they did cannibalism

[summer rover]

their crusades were "notice me jesus-sempai", of course they failed.

[crisp heath]

Oh no the Knight Hospitaller did all that when they got home, the crusades were over and they did these things when they got back to their own country

[storm jungle]

Most people also dont wanna accept that the Crusades were only done because the Pope needed some cash lmao

[summer rover]

never turn your back on a broke pope

[plush mason]

the Crusaders especially on the first crusade where mostly just frothing madmen that the byzantine empire basically yeeted off of the docks of Constantinople as fast as the ships would allow lol

[vale shuttle]

war is always fought for material reasons or power, it's rare it's for Jesus

[crisp heath]

Basically the Hospitallers were persecuted when they returned from the crusades, so they said "OK, fuck you, now we're going to be leprosy-spreading pirates"

[storm jungle]

Same tactic the Imperium uses, keep your populace uneducated, dumb and they will follow you off to anywhere

[vale shuttle]

||also i doubt Jesus would be chuffed about you going and murdering a bunch of folk in his name||

[summer rover]

i mean, the church keeps approving it....

[vale shuttle]

gosh it's almost as if the Imperium is meant to say something about real life...

[storm jungle]

[plush mason]

yeah but most people dont want to die for those reason so the leaders have to lie to get them on board

[vale shuttle]

love it when the ruling class lies and gets million of innocent men and women to fight and die in a pointless war

[storm jungle]

That hits close to home

also true

[arctic talon]

@crisp heath also I found the source for the valrak leak

It’s 4chan lmao

Also

Same user said it was fake

So my grain of salt has been upgraded to a pile of salt

[summer rover]

all real leaks and fake leaks start on 4chan

[arctic talon]

If only that were true for 40k crap lol

If I had a nickel for every real 40k leak on fucking Facebook

I’d be rich

[versed ledge]

Sounds very familiar

The imperium really has a lot of parallels.....

[summer rover]

facebook "leaks" are just GW sneaking stuff in

[autumn panther]

Less of a lore question, more of a debate, at some point I would like to make a chaos cultist kinda character for something, I've always viewed chaos from the side of the imperium, and its always seemed stupid to join them. What would be chaos's drive, why would someone want to join? Is it just manipulation of emotions and people wanting to tear down the imperium for personal reasons before succumbing to the insanity of the dark gods?

[crisp heath]

Yeah you pretty much hit the nail on the head lmao

Some people also just get straight up mind controlled or possessed until they're too far gone to be redeemed

[summer rover]

most chaos cults are people that thing they've outsmarted the chaos gods but have in fact played themselves.

think like those dudes really into crypto

[crisp heath]

Or a lot of times chaos pretends to be the lesser evil, then oops! It was actually the literal definition of evil!

[vale shuttle]

if you live in misery and squalor and filth and torture and someone comes to you and offers you power, real power, then what reason do you have to deny them?

it's not like things can get much worse, can they?

[autumn panther]

fair enough

[vale shuttle]

chaos preys on emotional instability! and since the Imperium doesn't care for the health and wellbeing of its citizens, it's very easy to find recruits

[crisp heath]

Chaos cults aren't always outwardly evil anyway

[storm jungle]

Also relevant darktide voicelines

[crisp heath]

Lorgar grew up on a planet that worshipped chaos and the gods delivered on their promises, were very pleasing to the eye in art, and didn't really encourage anything too scandalous

[versed ledge]

Little wonder why the imperium is falling apart

How on terra has it not collapsed is still a mystery

[storm jungle]

Its mostly plot armor its fine

[arctic talon]

Tbh

there's a lot of things

that should have fallen apart

in 40k lol

[vale shuttle]

the imperium has been around for 10k years in-universe, which is longer than all of human history today

like, it should've collapsed. i don't mean to be disparaging but it's 100% alive because of author fiat, because the writers thought "for ten thousand years" sounded cool

the imperium is not a particularly robust political system lmao

[storm jungle]

You can't exactly kill the cockroaches when they are everywhere in the world

so same logic more or less there too

[vale shuttle]

someone once tried to argue to me that the Imperium was actually doing something right because "it's existed for ten thousand years" and i tried to tell them the Imperium wasn't real and they called me stupid

i think about that a lot

[summer rover]

the great thing about warhammer is if you feel dumb you can just talk to the community and eventually you'll find someone that makes you look brilliant. some of them are even writers!

[vale shuttle]

i also frequently get told i can't seperate fiction from reality when i say that the Imperium's genocides are bad, actually, and when i tell people that supporting imperial genocide is bad

the barrel has no bottom

[plush mason]

lol true

[storm jungle]

GW has literally spelt it out in a community post and people still don't wanna believe it so beats me

[summer rover]

this was after the executive that said their game had no satire got sacked for screwing up their sales model, i think.

he was also the guy that said their minis would sell just as well as collectibles and artistic pieces if the games were failing.

[vale shuttle]

some people really really want 40k to be a fascist morality tale about how you must Do What It Takes To Survive™️

[green loom]

"If a dreg is offered hell, what reason does he have to refuse if he already dwells in it?"
Jimmy from the factory won't know the difference between a big evil daemon and a saint, his life has been monotony and malnutrition since he was born
If he's given the chance to escape that, even briefly or maybe not alive, he'll probably take it

Doesn't extend to just dregs either

You don't have to go full black legionnaire right away

Some cults start out mild, getting more and more extreme over time

It's how chaos works

You put your toe in the water and get dragged in slowly, some faster than others

[kindred dragon]

i just like the imperium because space marines are piss easy to paint

[summer rover]

and there's the reason for them selling

[kindred dragon]

you can't make me fall to chaos those trims will kill me

[desert dust]

It's pretty simple imagine your local government licensing centre (DMV)
Then think about the bureaucracy and how slow everything moves and how they still use wasteful systems from 20 years ago when technology would allow them to do everything 20 times faster.
Now blow that system up to 100000 times the scale and fill the place full of religious zealots and power hungry nut jobs.
Then give them an endless war that causes them to suspect everything and everyone of been traitor's.
Welcome to the greatest empire ever made.

[heavy bison]

Many converts to chaos are seduced by Chaos pointing out all the horrors of the imperium and all the things that the imperium hides from them. The Moebian 6th for example don't hate you, they just want to show you the truth that they learned while they were fighting all the things he Imperium tells you are evil.

[green loom]

Just be a renegade and use loyalist models

[summer rover]

can freehand checkers
not willing to put up with gluing all the little spikes
the lures of chaos are meaningless to me.

[kindred dragon]

okay jokes aside i unironically believed the imperium were the good guys when i was starting out

i am

just glad i didnt have access to social media during that period

and that i looked into the lore more

[summer rover]

i literally tell people to shoo them in the dick with shotguns because it's better damage, i'm pretty sure they hate me, sepcifically.

[green loom]

Honestly Orin, their members have probably rotted off by now

[summer rover]

also gentle reminder that most non elites with flack don't have it on their nuts, so your shotgun dosn't lose like 40% damage when you shoot them in the dick.

[heavy bison]

Ultimately, they are not just monsters looming out of the dark to kill you. They’re highly trained, highly-experienced veteran troopers, with full military gear. They have been seduced by the creed of the Darktide, and they have come home, not simply to kill and exact vengeance, but - more poignantly - to share the ‘truth’ they have uncovered. They truly believe they’ve seen the light, and that the dark ways they have discovered are far better and more liberating than the stagnant rubrics of the Imperium. They want to share that truth with you… with you, and every living soul on Atoma.

So there’s a tragedy there. They absolutely don’t think they are evil. They absolutely think they’re doing the right thing. And they will absolutely kill you if you try to stop them.

You don’t get lasmen any tougher than the Moebian Sixth, after all.

By Dan Abnett```

[summer rover]

shotguns work great, just shoot 'em in the dick.

[heavy bison]

For the Grandfather

[green loom]

Can't be blamed, popular imp characters are generally more on the reasonable/good side and tend to fight incompetents and the very evil enemies, and there's lots of heroic last stands that give off the wrong impression
When you look past it though, things start looking a lot like Starship Troopers

[vale shuttle]

i see this happening a lot which is probably because of pre-existing assumptions about humans and protagonists in media and the constant whitewashing imperium stans do

[heavy bison]

Which is also Satire.

[green loom]

Yeah that's what I mean

"Mobile infantry made me the man I am today!"

[heavy bison]

"We need more meat for the grinder."

[kindred dragon]

i started out with dawn of war and force commander hairgel generally seemed kinda reasonable from an early perspective, you don't see him murdering civilians n' shit

[green loom]

Well

Unless you

[summer rover]

are there civilians on the game?

[green loom]

You know

[vale shuttle]

oh yeah the dawn of war games were my entry point as well

[green loom]

Decide to murder civilians

[kindred dragon]

I always viewed Starship Troopers as far more blatant parody

[vale shuttle]

i dont think there are civilians in dawn of war??? i can't remember lmao

i started with dark crusade there are definitely no civilians in that one

[green loom]

It's blatant because it's more or less actively mocking the source material, which we're frankly better off for

[kindred dragon]

The IG are clearly competent at their jobs they're just outclassed

The MI are... not competent at all

[heavy bison]

I mean, so does 40k, people just like to take it super seriously.

[kindred dragon]

in first DOW, campaign, angelos is leading the evac of civvies from a starport

[summer rover]

SOME of the imperial guard are competent.

[kindred dragon]

i think

it's the mission you unlock dreadnoughts

[summer rover]

then there's the praetorians

[kindred dragon]

huh

i need to look into those

[heavy bison]

The Millitarun are- yeah, their competency varies wildly.

[green loom]

And the Scintillian Fusiliers

[kindred dragon]

i'm a space marine beta i haven't looked into IG too much, only the Cadians

[vale shuttle]

40k has the problem that it is extremely easy to make in-universe fashy arguments

[kindred dragon]

y'know the sudden cutout of music when shit goes down on klendathu actually was a pretty genius move

"we're going to win!"

"oh fuck we're dying"

[heavy bison]

ST is campy as fuck, but I still love it.

[summer rover]

it's campy because it can't be as brutally gorey as the old comics were

[kindred dragon]

elysians right?

those were one of a few i actually knew existed, liked the aesthetic

i have no idea how they survived with the peashooters known as recon lasguns

[vale shuttle]

||ok im sorry to do this but oh my fucking god i just saw another person arguing that the imperium has lasted for 10k years and that makes it a success story im going to fucking scream sorry for polluting this channel||

[vale shuttle]

lasguns are actually powerful

[kindred dragon]

oh no i know

i'm poking fun at darktide recon lasguns

[vale shuttle]

they punch about as hard as a kinetic weapon- ok ramble terminated

oh lmao i only play zealot so i never use the recon

[kindred dragon]

yeah recon hits as hard as a pillow

now the kantrael line

[green loom]

Imperium fan trying not to glorify the decaying empire stated time and again to be in it's violent, dragged out death throes

[kindred dragon]

put barbells in the pillow

that shit's great

helbore just tosses the pillow out entirely

[vale shuttle]

Success is defined by survival, not the absence of opposition or treachery, and the Imperium survives still. quote, an extremely reasonable person.

[green loom]

No hellbore fills it with coin

[vale shuttle]

is the helbore any good? i never tried it

[summer rover]

meanwhile those moebian snipers have some kinda compact lascannon

[vale shuttle]

i saw it had a weird like, charge funciton and wa sjust like

"NOPE, i like guns not bows and arrows"

[green loom]

He has a weird notion of success

[summer rover]

if you like "charge to fire" guns in videogames, it's good. if you don't you won't like it

[green loom]

It's like saying the later Roman Empire is a success story

[kindred dragon]

definitely tricky to get the hang of but it's absolutely usable, if you default to kantrael 12 though i won't cancel you on twitter

[green loom]

"Yeah half the empire is dead and gone and they're down to their last few regions but they're still alive!"

[vale shuttle]

the comment is mostly about the necessity of the astartes but it contains some real imperiumisms so i picked those out for your enjoyment

The Imperium, and therefore humanity, endures and that is all that matters to the Imperium. The Horus Heresy failed to destroy the Imperium, so the Great Crusade was not a failure. [...] It was due to that institutional depth, acheived by the scope and scale of the Great Crusade's success, that the Imperium survived the Heresy and all of its subsequent existential threats.

Because remember: if the Imperium failed to stop the Rangdan there would be no Imperium. If the Imperium failed to stop the orks of Ullanor there would be no Imperium. If the Imperium failed to stop the Heresy there would be no Imperium. If the Imperium failed to stop the War of the Beast, any number of Necron dynasty awakenings, or hive fleets: there would be no Imperium. Success is defined by survival, not the absence of opposition or treachery, and the Imperium survives still.

Success for the Imperium's enemies is defined by the Imperium's death. The Imperium's enemies only need to succeed once,

[green loom]

Ok where to start

The Great Crusade never reached its conclusion because the Heresy violently busted into it

I'd be hesitant to say the Heresy "failed"

At most it was a pyrrhic win for the Imperium but seeing as the empire was utterly devastated all the way to Terra, with more or less all the great imperial leaders, including the emperor, being dead or dying
And Emps himself saying his dream is dead
I think it's safe to assume the Imperium came out worse for wear

Also it turned most of who remained, who were already pretty hefty mass murderers, into zealous and vengeful mass murderers

With a pinch of extreme paranoia

[summer rover]

a pinch, plus a bucketful

[green loom]

The guy is missing that the Imperium is not meant to survive or thrive

It's meant to take down as much as it can while it goes down itself

One dragged out, spiteful death rattle

A cornered animal worn down and all but dead, a pale image of it's ideal self

[summer rover]

technically it's meant to serve the emperor's will, but they strapped the dude to a chair and make up what they think he wants so-

[green loom]

I mean the guy pretty much says it's checkmate in one of his books iirc

Or Ra's book ig

[uneven temple]

not checkmate, necessarily, just that the path the emperor wanted isn't happening

so...time to improvise wit da boiiiiiis

[plush mason]

nah the emperor himself said it was checkmate and that the imperium and humanity as a whole has been doing nothing but "raging against the dying of the light"

[uneven temple]

not from what i remember, can pull up the book up

[plush mason]

i mean. the quote was from an exert of Guilliman's meeting with the emperor on Terra

[uneven temple]

from godblight? iirc he never says that either

[kindred dragon]

@uneven temple oh, hi

[celest dome]

Mankind as it is, is loosing, is there still ways for certain planets to survive, sure, but in the end it won't be a major race, it will be under servitude, or dead

[plush mason]

no from The Dark Imperium book

[uneven temple]

the campaign book?

[uneven temple]

where u been at OPS

[plush mason]

lol MB turns out my friend had read a fanfic exert to me :/

[uneven temple]

warhammer 50k?

that seems to be the most common one

[plush mason]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8t01gs/f_guilliman_speaks_with_the_emperor/ here it is lol

[urban spire]

nationalism; not even once

[vale shuttle]

yeah idk if that guy realises how fashy his arguments are it's a lil concerning

[urban spire]

it seems like they've internalized some fashy ideology in the first place

[green loom]

Yeah whenever someone tells me Emps spoke with Guilliman I'm always sus that this is what they actually read lmao

[coarse pumice]

lol it was a reddit post all along?

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-blade-runner-2049-ryan-gosling-anger-gif-16634156

I was gonna comment on the numerous shards calling gilly suit man different names each time you brought it up but wasn't sure

[crimson kayak]

Here the real thing btw in case anyone wanted
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/pfjda8/excerpt_dark_imperium_godblight_guilliman_talks/

And basically to tl:Dr it he's so fractured than whenever he says something another 10 voices or more start playing ear-phone and repeat variations or outright the contrary of what he just states

[coarse pumice]

the parts are just all the original shamans smh my head

[storm jungle]

"Listen man id love to but I can't draw hazard stripes."

Most based loyalist enjoyer

[crisp heath]

The imperium is now ruled by the ghosts of 30 shamans and they're all assholes

[storm jungle]

Nah uh

this was after the "Austrian Painter" incident, where a fascist guy in a tournament in spain had a very cringe and offensive army and nobody in the building wanted to play with him, but due to Spain's lax laws regrading fascism he got off easy and also won the tourney more or less.

GW made the statement a few days afterwards.

[shadow plover]

they're probably referring to Tom Kirby whom is pretty much ancient history by now

[green loom]

@storm jungle what does this mean

[copper patrol]

whomst is nuclear

[storm jungle]

Oh man thats an oldie before I was even a mod

[green loom]

[shadow plover]

is nuclear the one who got banned

[storm jungle]

it was back when toxic members were like beign banned daily and someone decided to make that board

[copper patrol]

[storm jungle]

It was one of the most annoying server members in DT history, let me get a meme i made to sum it up

[copper patrol]

this around release I assume

[green loom]

it's from mid to late 2021

Judging by the Pin

[storm jungle]

Okay so imagine right

you open the lore channel, want to chat with people etc

Then this person exists

[shadow plover]

ah yes, I remember now

[storm jungle]

also all of these points were actually made, kill me

[green loom]

This seems extremely familiar

[copper patrol]

it do be like that

[storm jungle]

He also kept saying the confederate themed Imperial Guard regiment needs an army

[green loom]

Though maybe I'm just way too used to brainlets

[crisp heath]

I mean dark angels are gay coded, and furries are more likely to be gay than the general population, therefore dark angels are furries

[storm jungle]

which is uh

[green loom]

I was on this app, that's basically one of the circles of hell

And I met so many of the bad 40k stereotypes

I remember this one guy made the Rhodesian Bush Fighters

[storm jungle]

GOD

"Im just appreciating history guys"

"whats so wrong with that"

[green loom]

One of the big RP goons was a Krieg "Lord Commander"

Three guesses what his name was

[storm jungle]

Karl Hans

[green loom]

Klaus, but close enough

[copper patrol]

fuck that's a great name

[storm jungle]

ALMOST GOT IT

[copper patrol]

karl hans

[green loom]

I saw at least

[copper patrol]

[green loom]

50~ Klauses

[storm jungle]

its literally like german John Smith

[copper patrol]

that's like peak 40k/empire name

[green loom]

And another 100 of every other crappy name

[storm jungle]

I legit do not understand how cringe non-germans can get with krieg names

a true chad will do a french one

[green loom]

I saw uhhh

[crisp heath]

Klaus LeCouteaux has entered the warzone

[green loom]

At least 5?

Yeah 5

US based non-Imperium factions

[storm jungle]

The hole runs deep

[green loom]

They were

Interesting

Recently I opened it up again and the first thing I saw was a Kasrkin kitbash called "The Heroes of Gostomel"

Blue berets and everything

Or it might've been scions but still

Too soon

[crisp heath]

I can't say shit, I have a barely started fanfic about a regiment based on Lotta Svard

[green loom]

I know there were more garbage OCs and stuff

But I think I've repressed them

[copper patrol]

as you should

[green loom]

Oh right Slaanesh OCs, I remember those being awful

[crisp heath]

OK but hear me out

[celest dome]

How did you even become a Warden ?

[copper patrol]

there is a reason I keep "my dudes" lore/idea/origin to myself even if it's probably not that bad

[crisp heath]

Homestuck themed chapter

[green loom]

I've learned to keep them vague

[crisp heath]

Cowards. Go into intimate detail and have them sleep with a Canon named character

[green loom]

Black Lion moment

[copper patrol]

make sure Gullieman also gives them an award personally

[celest dome]

witha a Canon named character ? Not with every one of them ?

[crisp heath]

I have an entire regiment famous throughout the Imperium for running a train on Eisenhorn

[green loom]

Black Lion moment

Though ig he at least gives a lot of cash to the artists

[coarse pumice]

invent one of the missing primarchs in the style of 'coldsteel'

[celest dome]

The Exorcist have their ritual of getting possessed, yours have the ritual of railing Eisenhorn before becoming fully fledged SM

[copper patrol]

though ngl some canon chapters are pretty oc donut steel

[green loom]

Yeah like the Space Wolves

Though idk the shit I've seen

Makes me appreciate most canon chapters

[coarse pumice]

reject Carcharodons
embrace Space Sharks

[green loom]

Anyway here's a new Librarian

[coarse pumice]

his head looks really small, but I like beakies

[celest dome]

Librerian Armour is more bulky ?

[crisp heath]

Carcharodons are great, the space shark paint scheme looked dorky as fuck

[coarse pumice]

is it meant to be? the old librarian models I had were pretty much the same size as regular iirc

my Terminator librarian was smaller, but because he's an old model

[copper patrol]

can I just say, the whole Librarians are blue thing is lame

and I will ignore it when/if I get and paint one

[green loom]

Yeah that's why I never make them blue

[coarse pumice]

mine are blue because the chapter colour scheme is blue