40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

They do

[coarse pumice]

I have a 1988 one

the Eldar Battle drone

[arctic talon]

the vehicle sculpts for eldar

have always been great imo

[crisp heath]

I just want the space elves to go extinct already

Exodites can stay

[storm jungle]

Fuck you

go to your corner

[crisp heath]

an elf

belongs in

[crisp heath]

the woods

[storm jungle]

yeet

[storm jungle]

Oh hey

back when they were Ghost Warriors

[coarse pumice]

the 1989 scouts I have too

those models weren't updated for ages

[arctic talon]

the ones with lasguns?

[plush mason]

that sculpt is a year older than me. wtf

[coarse pumice]

scouts always had sniper rifles, though there was one dude with two laspistols

[arctic talon]

ngl

I really really

don't get WHY THE FUCK

They updated DARK REAPERS FIRST

THEY GOT A MINI IN 4E

[storm jungle]

AND KEPT THE LEGO SKELETON FACES

[arctic talon]

THAT LOOKED GREAT

LIKE YEAH ITS A BIT GOOFY

[arctic talon]

BUT ITS FINE

[coarse pumice]

the bug eye farseer is still my favourite farseer model

[storm jungle]

which one is that

[storm jungle]

OH MAN

[plush mason]

need big eyes to see far 😛

[storm jungle]

yeah thats another one where its straigth from Jes Goodwin's sketchbook

[arctic talon]

tbh

[arctic talon]

Eldar ate pretty good in 9e at leaast

but it also shows that llike

They really need more updates

[storm jungle]

Also yeah lmao

i think the issue is

their most "why tho" units got updated

[storm jungle]

like who tf cares about rangers or the speedbikers

[arctic talon]

Rangers I can get imo

[storm jungle]

They are ok

[arctic talon]

they were played a ton

[storm jungle]

aspects needed more drip

[arctic talon]

on the tabletop

Same with spears

the updates in 9e

were weird imo

bcs they updated a bunch of competitive staples for eldar

but also dark reapers and the Avatar of Khaine

lmao

[plush mason]

which aspect is it that is basically just guardian but better?

[coarse pumice]

the Avatar had a scale upgrade like his contemporaries to be fair

[storm jungle]

Dire Avengers

[arctic talon]

Dire Avengers

[storm jungle]

they got the best shuriken rifles and even auto-targeters

[arctic talon]

they got an update at the end of 4e

they look great imo

[plush mason]

isnt their rune just the guardian rune but taller?

[coarse pumice]

I have some from all 3 generations the Rogue Trader Dire Avengers are still my favourite

the 3rd edition models were a guardian conversion kit

[arctic talon]

fun fact these guys are the last hand sculpted GW minis

[arctic talon]

tbh

Dire avengers

have always looked suprisingly good imo

they've always just been better proportioned

[storm jungle]

This is a guardian rune

This is an avenger rune

[arctic talon]

then the other eldar aspect warriors

[arctic talon]

which is nice

[coarse pumice]

my first Eldar model was one of these

so I've always had a soft spot for Fire Dragons

[plush mason]

so yeah. its just the guardian rune but bigger. which is just funny as hell to me

[storm jungle]

Yeah i think its more because they literally are guardians but better

more akin to elite foot-soldiers

[plush mason]

yeah

[storm jungle]

because eldar runes are VERY intricate

[arctic talon]

poor storm guardians lol

got a new kit and everything

still dogshit

[celest dome]

In rule or just in model ?

[coarse pumice]

storm guardians used to be a 2xflamer delivery system lol

[plush mason]

wtf are the guardians anyway? just eldar militia units?

[arctic talon]

Rules

Guardians are eldar milita yes

[coarse pumice]

flamers aren't common in the Eldar list, so it was one of the only ways of getting them

[arctic talon]

Their minis look great

[storm jungle]

Eldar civilians that can be called to be a standing militia and army when a craftworld goes to war or is under attack.

[arctic talon]

Except storm guardians are essentially a squad of guardsmen with melee weapons and flamers

Which is fine in theory

except you have to pay the eldar tax

[storm jungle]

Most craftworlds have a mandatory and short military service to prepare the populace for warfare

[arctic talon]

Which is your units are higher in points cost for little improvment

[plush mason]

so just like the high elf militia in fantasy

[arctic talon]

mostly since you get access to some silly stuff with rules

[gloomy citrus]

Not after Vulkan.

[storm jungle]

pretty much

But compared to the high elves theres no proper standing army

they are aliens so they dont really "forget" how to fight like you might after attending the army for a year or two

[coarse pumice]

one thing that's funny (and they actually fixed in the new version)

look at the WS and BS rolls of guardians

it's the same as a space marine

[arctic talon]

yeah

Guardians finally aren't worthless lol

It only took uh

several editions

[coarse pumice]

also, their armour has got comparatively worse

[arctic talon]

tbh

its a 4+

[coarse pumice]

oh, is it 4+ now?

[arctic talon]

thats better then flak

yeah

[coarse pumice]

finally

lol

[arctic talon]

I think some eldar have a 3+

bcs heavy aspect armor

is like

[coarse pumice]

3+ was common among aspects

[arctic talon]

literally equivelent to space marine armor

[coarse pumice]

it always was

one moment

[arctic talon]

only thing is

they put all the Aspects

into the elites/fast attack slot lol

[coarse pumice]

even avengers?

[arctic talon]

yeah

or heavy support

[coarse pumice]

wtf lol

[arctic talon]

avengers are very good

ironically

they got a bunch of compensations lol

7 inches of movement, assault weapons with AP-2 minimum, and 5+ invuln

along with being able to shoot while performing actions

[plush mason]

where do the eldar archons come from. is it a specific path they pick or do they rise from the ranks of the guardians/aspect warriors?

[storm jungle]

Archons are dark eldar mafia-bosses

[arctic talon]

Eldar autarchs come from having walked many paths

[coarse pumice]

Archons are Dark Eldar characters

[arctic talon]

and they dedicate themselves to war

I'd assume they're talking about autarchs

not archons

[plush mason]

i meant the autarchs lol

[arctic talon]

yeah

[storm jungle]

whoops lmao

i dont blame you its all greek city ranks

[arctic talon]

also they're old lol

[storm jungle]

you can differentiate because "archon" sounds the most evil

[coarse pumice]

Autarch were a replacement for the Menshad Korum characters

[arctic talon]

tbh

[plush mason]

the only Autarch i know is that chick from DOW2 retribution lol

[arctic talon]

Its sort of weird that Dire avengers are elites

but they're reallly good

so I'm not gona complain

[plush mason]

thank the Hybornian adventures for that association lol

[coarse pumice]

how do you run Biel-Tan now?

[arctic talon]

comedy

[storm jungle]

I'd highly suggest reading their lexi pages

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Exarch

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Autarch

[arctic talon]

If you roll a 6

you make marines instantly explode

[green loom]

They're all evil because they're all Greek

[coarse pumice]

does it become -4 with the pseudo rending?

[arctic talon]

yeah

[storm jungle]

As a turk i approve of this message

[arctic talon]

Shuriken weapons gain an extra -2 on a 6

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/meet-the-balkans-balkan-turkey-greece-balkans-gif-21496443

[green loom]

I will take Turkish coffee over Greek

[arctic talon]

Bieltan plays as a hyper aggresive faction that keeps on pushing for space

mostly since

after you shoot you can always move at least 3 inches

[coarse pumice]

can you run all aspect?

[arctic talon]

yes

if you want

also Beil'tan is pretty good at melee

they get to reroll 1 dice per unit per shooting/combat phase

[coarse pumice]

I ran Biel-Tan back in the day

[arctic talon]

also this rule is very funny

with Dire avengers

[plush mason]

thanks but i was talking about the whole Archon sounding evil thing, afaik the Hybornian adventures where the first to make that association by naming the leaders of the Acaron empire aka the most evil empire in history the Archons

[storm jungle]

Ah yeah

Honestly its probably more that the writers saw they used like so many greek city hierarchy names and were like "dark eldar need some of these"

[plush mason]

true

[coarse pumice]

I almost went Ulthwe though

maybe I should have done my own scheme though

I kind of liked the Ulthwe black+yellow look

[storm jungle]

For Ulthwe i just go with black and white, the bone/yellow color is eh

[arctic talon]

honestly I think its pretty fun how all the eldar craftworlds are decent

at worse

The eldar codex is super well balanced internally

imo

[crisp heath]

Oh I thought Archon came from some big brain shit but I was probably overthinking it

[arctic talon]

also Ulthwe is hilarious

since they get like a trillion tiny rules lol

behold the pile

[coarse pumice]

is this every mansize model from the asuryani list?

apart from special characters I guess

[summer rover]

wasn't the point of mortal wounds they bypass ward saves?

[arctic talon]

Ward saves are invulns

[coarse pumice]

in the back of the 2nd ed codex, the example army has units from Alaitoc, Ulthwe and Biel-Tan all together

[arctic talon]

FNP was added in 5e

in response to how there were way too many mortals

[arctic talon]

Its every model in an Ulthwe army

[coarse pumice]

I thought mortal wounds was added in 7th?

[arctic talon]

Mortals were def 6e at least

bcs I started in 6e

and I thought mortal wounds

were bullshit

[summer rover]

just layering excessive rules nonsense again....

[coarse pumice]

oh, was it an import from apocalypse?

[arctic talon]

Maybe

[coarse pumice]

I think apocalypse wasn't a good idea in the grand scheme of things...

[arctic talon]

idk

I think 9e is prolly the best balanced 40k as a game

has been

[plush mason]

so every video game with the eldar has them sounding also ghost like when they talk, is there any lore to back that up?

[arctic talon]

The eldar are very somber

[coarse pumice]

that's just the helmet filter iirc

[arctic talon]

generally speaking

and also their helmets yeah

the wraith constructs are actual ghosts

but the eldar are pretty aware how shit is fucked and its their species' fault

[plush mason]

so like the space marine helmets but made to sound more hormonic and ethereal, got it

[arctic talon]

these are my favorite posters in necromunda books

[plush mason]

?

ah well

its not like most of the workers can read

[arctic talon]

Honestly I'm hoping 10e is even better balanced

[versed ledge]

If I see this at work, minus the aquila, I'd go mad

[storm jungle]

Most peaceful agriworld 🙏

[green loom]

What's that from

[fleet jacinth]

It's filled with lots of peaceful tractors

[plush mason]

well thankfully you wouldnt be able to read anyway so it would be fine lol

[storm jungle]

Imperium Maledictim, new RPG book came out like last week i think

[arctic talon]

What are they even harvesting

Looks like a really fucked up root vegetable

[celest dome]

Look like giant seeds

[green loom]

Space potats

[chilly creek]

Space turnips

[coarse pumice]

is imperium maledictum a new system, unrelated to dark heresy?

[storm jungle]

Idk new rpg book

im just there for stealing the artwork

[arctic talon]

It’s pretty much dark heresy 3.0

[coarse pumice]

ok

[torpid narwhal]

I'm really getting tired of the damn space wolf's in wolftime

[storm jungle]

Lmao god

why did you buy that book

its actually terrible

[torpid narwhal]

I need to read it to read the next one

I dont

[storm jungle]

Bruh you dont

you could have asked for a summary 😩

literally NOTHING happens in it

[torpid narwhal]

THANK GOD!

[storm jungle]

YEAH

its like a super pocket event

[torpid narwhal]

Fuck it's boring

[storm jungle]

literally nothing but "grrr we dont like primaris but fine we will take them"

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/violence-pizza-gif-20671214

Me when Wulf

[storm jungle]

AA

[torpid narwhal]

Its so boring

[green loom]

Where does Seth get over his hate boner again

I remember it goes something like

Seth: "U are stupid"
Primaris guy: "Me am better"
Seth: "no"
violently beats Primaris guy
Seth: "Ok you are not as stupid now"

[storm jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/qu02z3/the_wolftime_spoilers_and_summary/

Here you go champ

also best comment

[torpid narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thanks-thank-you-so-much-keanu-reeves-gif-21952233

[storm jungle]

[torpid narwhal]

I was suffering

[storm jungle]

im so sorry lmao

[torpid narwhal]

[green loom]

My favourite part is where Ragnar goes "it's wolfing time"
And wolf's all over the place

[storm jungle]

Thats in psychic awakening but close enough

[green loom]

God why is it longer than fucking Godblight

[torpid narwhal]

I couldn't understand a single thing those furrys were saying

[storm jungle]

Yeah like the book literally has nothing

same old bullshit of

"WAAH WE DONT WANT PRIMARIS"

[green loom]

I mean tbh have you heard a danish person speaking English?

[storm jungle]

oh jeez

[torpid narwhal]

I need it for my collection anyway

[storm jungle]

Yeah at least it can help in that purpose

[green loom]

"ok ur not so bad now because you did this arbitrary thing"

It's a stupid plot line

[storm jungle]

EVERY. TIME.

ı think like 4 marine books did it at this point

[green loom]

Because they have no reason to distrust them

[torpid narwhal]

Thank god the next one is guy Haley he's my favorite

[green loom]

Maybe the unnumbered sons

[storm jungle]

Which one is it?

[torpid narwhal]

The author

[green loom]

Iron Kingdom?

That's the next DoF one right

[storm jungle]

I THINK so

[torpid narwhal]

Throne of light then iron

[storm jungle]

AH yeah Throne of Light is very interesting plot wise.

Iron Kingdom is another case of "nothing happens" but not terrible

[torpid narwhal]

K I'm gana go read

[green loom]

What does Throne of Light do

[storm jungle]

Uhhh long story but basically Star Child returning confirmation

[green loom]

Does it have Light's Throne

[storm jungle]

KINDA

All jokes aside if you are interested, here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ShaskaisWarhamBits/comments/ufo3p1/interesting_bits_from_dawn_of_fire_throne_of_light/

[green loom]

Literally

[storm jungle]

LEGIT

But shaskais is a good guy, does lots of coverings/summaries of recent novels

[green loom]

Based on THE ShasOKais?

Aka Tau DOOMguy?

[storm jungle]

Yep

its his own subreddit tho

since r/40klore mods are ass

[green loom]

I like how no one ever talks about Kais

[storm jungle]

Hes a super sideline character unfortunately

also not human so

💀

[green loom]

He also jobs on a full chapter in their monastery

Marine fan salt moment

[torpid narwhal]

@storm jungle ITS CHEALCA

[storm jungle]

A WHAT

[torpid narwhal]

Best character

The xenos

[storm jungle]

oh lmao

my bad been awhile

[gloomy citrus]

[zenith sinew]

Iron Kingdom isn't terrible, interesting worldbuilding in showing how Indomitus basically stripmines entire planets to make their logistics work

[green loom]

I mean nothing new, Mechanicus always did that

[zenith sinew]

But also continues the general DoF tradition of every other book being filler with no metaplot advancement

[green loom]

Mfw 40k campaign books in a nutshell

It's like how Psychic Awakening meant basically nothing

[signal bramble]

Yeah it was a just a build up for the Hands of Abaddon.

I also enjoyed the plot how the differences and bickering escalated in to war, I thought that was handled really well.

[zenith sinew]

yeah I think that's about the only real takeaway at all meaningful to the bigger picture. Also the bit about RG putting together a quote, "Legion" as reinforcements to send

[gloomy citrus]

The nurgling banner symbol.

[coarse pumice]

iirc it's in darktide drawn in a few placss

[torpid narwhal]

But they are cool

[thick cedar]

I firmly believe the men of irons revolt was caused by chaos

Wasnt there some survivors that were like "yeah, we dont what the hell happened but were ready to serve"

[crimson kayak]

Tbf, the men of iron in Blackstone fortress says he has met the omnissiah

And Vashtoor certainly gained a bit of power through the revolt

But I don't think it was part of some grand plan

[crimson kayak]

Doesn't he die in Dow?

Or was that another one?

[coarse mirage]

Waiting for 40k to be less grimdumb :(

The Infinite & The Divine manages to be the best book because it doesn't fall so hard into it. Just two geezers being jerks for a few thousand years.

[summer rover]

listen, they can be satirical and stupid in a funny way or they can try to pretend the setting is serious and just be stupid. and they already insist it's not satire because it would make their polticians look bad so-

[thick cedar]

Im confused by the daemonhost. Is the host an unwilling one? Is it a chaos cultist? I ask because the host is praying to the emperor and sounds as if theres an internal battle between host and daemon.

[copper patrol]

both

[thick cedar]

so basically they were a cultist then got possessed by a daemon and now theyre finding out this chaos shit wasnt all that hyped up as it was made out to be?

[copper patrol]

I think it's one of those "it depends" probably can either be willing or unwilling

generally not willing though I assume

[summer rover]

i'm pretty sure they were captives that were being held for the black ships, and when the cult got ahold of them decided "it's free real estate" and summoned some daemons

[versed ledge]

Still the dialogue of the daemonhost is a bit tragic, it's like they're clinging on the shores of sanity that's slowly being eroded by madness

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

We know it wasn't chaos because there is literally a Man of Iron who was part of the revolt and explicitly hates chaos

a big part of the reason Ur-025 is at the blackstone fortress

is to kill all the chaos worshippers inside

beyond just finding a friend

[midnight ore]

they were treated unfairly (unlike the ironkin (superior ai))

[plush mason]

yup

[torpid narwhal]

if the emperor was revived what do you think he would do when he saw the state of things

like the fact there is a cult around him now

[signal bramble]

Given how cold and calculating he is, probably use it to his advantage.

[plush mason]

yeah

he already knows what is happening in the imperium

he just doesnt care

[signal bramble]

At least until he decided it was time for it to go. He let the machine cult keep their religion because fighting them about it wasn’t worth the effort.

So there is a precedent.

[plush mason]

Guilliman's meeting with him has confirmed he is just a heartless aloof bastard that only cares about ending the dark gods

and tho its said he spoke in over 10 different voices at once there was nothing said that showed him to be conflicted or confused

so yeah, the imperium is like it is because the emperor allows it to be so

[rose thorn]

awesome! i never want to see it again lamo

it give me the shimmies

[plush mason]

they knew EXACTLY what they where doing lmao

[torpid narwhal]

that sounds like heresy

[plush mason]

its not

its literally how his meeting went

[torpid narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-war-hammer-40k-gif-9829547

[crisp heath]

Just because it's true doesn't mean it's correct

[plush mason]

fair but lets face it, the emperor was always an aloof asshole so all this new info has done is confirm that he still is but even worse

ofc is this info even all that new?

the book has been out for a few years now right?

[heavy bison]

Probably better to ask in here than in #40k-minis-and-armies , the backpack unit on an Erversor temple assassin would be like, how they’re drugged and probably sedated right?

Doesn’t really seem to line up with any of their other war gear.

[plush mason]

i think it is what pumps the frenzon into their system yeah

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sentinel_Array

it also has this

[heavy bison]

Ah, right.

I had this idea about converting some chaos assassins that were sent after the SO’s Sororitas Living Saint of Khorne.

But like, the assassins having a religious experience before they could carry it out. Sending the Eversor sane for a moment etc.

[green loom]

From what I remember the Eversors aren't too unhinged themselves

[heavy bison]

Yeah, they’d be quite competent. It’s just when they’re fully trained and ready they are amped up on holy meth.

[green loom]

Feel like the meme channel is just the quarantine zone

[vale shuttle]

ohohohoh! you posted something related to xenos or chaos? let me show my comedic mastery in this scenario!

you are a heretic!!!!

please clap

[celest dome]

What ?

[green loom]

Generic Grimdank post is applauded, anything non-imperium or chaos is met with "burn it" or "heretic"

[celest dome]

It just felt out of the blue

[vale shuttle]

our boy ederius had a "40k community moment" in the meme channel

so he did what i do and came here to complain

[green loom]

Yeah the sensible people are here

[green loom]

Not really a moment but I just woke up and read literally the same thing repeated for 12 hours over harmless drunk remembrancer meme

[vale shuttle]

ah i just checked and saw the brief exchange you had calling that pic of the cultist and sister cute

and was like "yep that's the 40k community" and didn't investigate further

[green loom]

I approve of the occasional wholesome image, life is bleak enough as is

[celest dome]

Love can bloom ?

[vale shuttle]

i just find that the constant badgering of "heresy burn it foul xenos" is just annoying, and it 100% drives away anyone who doesn't like the imperium

[vale shuttle]

nah it's this one, it is very cute ederius is right

[gloomy citrus]

[vale shuttle]

||it is also very gay whicch i am a fan of||

[celest dome]

Ah it's Cultist-Chan

Don't even remember who made it initially

[vale shuttle]

iirc cultist-chan was made by some guy on tg

[celest dome]

Maybe Flick ?

[vale shuttle]

i dont know who that is i wasnt a contemporary for that time

||i just used to read 1d4chan, to my shame||

[celest dome]

An artist who made quite a few comics about Warhammer, both fantasy and 40k

But a certain type of comics

[green loom]

It wasn't flick no

[green loom]

Hey 1d4chan is funny on its own if you know what you're reading about
But a lot of it was both old jokes and taken literally by new people sent there

[vale shuttle]

see when i was reading 1d4chan i was like, 14-16

so i was 100% not getting it

[green loom]

Roughly same, now it gone

[vale shuttle]

lmao, we're probably better off without it

[celest dome]

Didn't it go back up ?

[vale shuttle]

nope it's dead

[vale shuttle]

CUTE

[crisp heath]

Alright, since that's the vibe this morning, which one of ciaphas cain's girlfriends is most homophobic and why is it Amberley

[celest dome]

Why is she supposedly homophobic?

[crisp heath]

She has the vibes of a 35 year old woman who hasn't felt any joy in the last 5 years unless she's tearing other women down, she'd also probably be like, way too baptist for her own good if given the opportunity

I'm also pretty sure she's blonde which is fine on its own but damning in the face of other evidence

[celest dome]

The f

[vale shuttle]

are there any canonically lesbian characters in 40k?

[celest dome]

Saint Celesting and Grey fax?

[crisp heath]

Griffin and Magot

Also from the Cain books

[vale shuttle]

is celestine gay??? ||cause if she is i have to add her to my sisters army||

[celest dome]

Was justly thinking of that

[shadow plover]

think this is the most up-to-date version

[green loom]

iirc hinted at

[crisp heath]

I would say they aren't Canon but it's hard to read Our Martyred Lady as not implying it lmao

[shadow plover]

there might be a more extensive one somewhere

[vale shuttle]

!!!

ty

[green loom]

Thas the origin of this image more or less

[vale shuttle]

||why did i decide to try and find more about gay celestine the reddit posts are garbage ofc they are||

guess im adding celestine to my army, off to the troll trader i go

[vale shuttle]

nvm i take it back i love this poster

[gloomy citrus]

Khârn:

[heavy bison]

Greystine/Celefax is great.

[gloomy citrus]

She wouldn't even have to let Failbaddon try to kill her.

[vale shuttle]

they were prayer-mates!!!!

[heavy bison]

I should really find a way to add Legally distinct GreyfaxNotfax to our Heretic Sororitas.

[vale shuttle]

i've decided im adding celestine to my sororitas army because they're gay gay homosexual gay so she's a perfect fit

[heavy bison]

Its a little harder since the Order of the Bloody Throne take "Blood for the Emperor, Skulls for the Golden Throne." Quite literally.

[green loom]

My morning comments led to much memery

[vale shuttle]

i have more memes waiting for the appropriate time to post

[green loom]

"The Von Ryan's Leaper"

Funky name

[green loom]

Ok send them to me

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-build-lego-gif-12538114

[analog citrus]

I've heard 40k has a lot of lore, where would be a good place to start?

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4CJ4F-epA&ab_channel=Garrot

[analog citrus]

Thank you C:

[plush mason]

btw, have you noticed the meme battle happening in #darktide-memes ?

[queen laurel]

I must say, that has to be the weirdest looking looking lictor

Or unique is a better term

[green loom]

It's apparently a gaunt-lictor

[queen laurel]

A fucking what

A gaunt lictor hybrid

What's the tactical use of those, i guess as a small stealth hit squad?

[arctic talon]

They’re pack hunters so yes

They’re also from the 3e codex aparantly lol

[queen laurel]

I guess they would be very hard to deal with if they have the same stealth capabilities as an average lictor

[shadow plover]

from 3rd ed nid codex

[copper patrol]

"dominatrix" aye yo

who tf named these

[shadow plover]

Dominatrix is an old Epic mini

Modern Synthesist has made a 40k version with greenstuff and a forge world model as base a couple years back

[crisp heath]

Tons of tyranids are named after defanged misogynistic slurs, to convey that they're mostly female and also disgusting

The tyranid hivemind is just r/incels

[summer rover]

how is dominatrix misoganistic, do you think BSDM is somehow not mutually engaged?

[chilly creek]

Not when the Tyranids are involved

They don't have a safeword

[storm jungle]

Im gonna be honest i have memes muted an collapsed for a month lmao

[rose thorn]

I love oversized combat knives

It do gotta be my favorite warhammer 40k

[iron locust]

Is the space marine game canon? If so, does that make the Vengeance Launcher canon?

[storm jungle]

Yes and yes.

its just not used anywhere else because tabletop game

[iron locust]

Great my “add vengeance launcher to darktide” meme is going to have footing now

[plush mason]

lol

[plush mason]

smart

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

Isn’t it only not used because it’s still in the experiment phase and mechanicus politics go burrr

also what’s his name from Spacemarine has a chance of getting a black library model

so there’s a chance it comes to table top

[iron locust]

I just thought it wasn’t used because irl people would think a sticky bomb launcher with manual detonation wasn’t seen as a viable weapon

Despite what tf2 shows

[crisp heath]

... this game has guns that shoot beetles

[summer rover]

most likely it's because the game studio made it wholesale for their game and GW hates things they don't have full control over touching their shit. so they won't let it in

[rose thorn]

it’s an experimental weapon on uhhhhh, I forgot the mechanicus planets name. But I assume because it’s a new thing the admech are porbably having a internal hissy fit at each because of it

[iron locust]

And yet people still try to tell me that polearms wouldn’t work in a tide game

[rose thorn]

But you can totally just kitbash it and run it as a relic of something

I imagine in space marine 2 they will probably explain why it isn’t in production

Or it failed

[crisp heath]

Polearms wouldn't work in a tide game because polearms are forces of absolute chaos and destruction

Polearm vs Zombies isn't a fight, it's a massacre

We're talking about the kind of weapon that turned a man into a 10 foot sphere of death that blended up dozens of Englishmen and could only be stopped when someone snuck underneath him and stabbed him in the balls

And that wasn't even a fictional occurrence

[rose thorn]

There are like, 5 pole arms in vermintide

[crisp heath]

If they functioned like polearms there wouldn't be a vermintide

A Halberd will solve literally any problem placed before it

[rose thorn]

Bill hook my beloved <3

[shadow plover]

pre nerf halberd was pretty much that

[crisp heath]

I remember the first time I read "The Hammer and the Cross" and I was awestruck by the sheer destructive potential of the humble halberd

[iron locust]

Then don’t make them like real halberds

Video games already make concessions

Just give it more range than a sword and im good with it

We already slaughter hundreds of zombies

[celest dome]

VT2 has polearms

[iron locust]

I gotta say though, hearing the argument that they are too powerful for tide games is a new one. Usually it’s some variation of “not good against hordes” or they think I’m trying to suggest guardian spears or nemesis force weapons

[celest dome]

Force Glaive and Chain halberd are the only one I'm really instersted into

[iron locust]

Chain glaive*(?)

[celest dome]

prefer Chain halberds

more fun

less sensible than Chain Glaives

[plush mason]

i want a force spear for my psyker

[celest dome]

tbh, I hope we don't just get Force weapons for the Psyker

I want the other disciplines to get some weapons invented for them

like Martyr made Biomantic Swords and Aetheric Swords

[plush mason]

true

also, would nullrods make sense for use to have?

we dont fight any psykic threats

[celest dome]

Nullrods would make no real sense on a Psyker innit ?

[plush mason]

not for psyker. for vet and/or zealot

[iron locust]

I just don’t get why there is a group of people that just seem fervently against a spear or Polearm and act like it can’t happen in any sense. The arguments range wildly but I’ve never encountered the kind of resistance against polearms as I do for anything else

[celest dome]

Oh, euh, in the same sense as putting a Blank, I'd say it make not much sense

Who is against Polearm ?

[plush mason]

stupid people

[iron locust]

Suggest a spear on the Reddit and 80% chance someone will respond saying no

[celest dome]

And why should we care about their opinions ?

[plush mason]

like i said. stupid people

[iron locust]

In case someone is listening that can actually make suggestions to FatShark

Also because by learning their arguments I can incorporate responses into future suggestions

[celest dome]

I mean, I'm not really gonna be arguing for the spear itself, cause tbh, there are cooler weapons than that. But I will argue for a Grenade Spear for the veteran, where you have a special attack letting you prime the grenade, and then needing to reload it

And using the Tuskor spear move pattern

[plush mason]

frankly the only polearm in 40k that wouldnt make sense in Darktide is the explosive tipped lances the DKOK cav use imo

[celest dome]

For the spear, yes

[iron locust]

Unless as javelins

[celest dome]

For other Polearms, there are plenty, like Crusader often have Power (or chain) Polearms, Psyker have their Glaives...

[plush mason]

what does a non space marine psyker glaive look like?

[crimson kayak]

Same, but smaller

[celest dome]

And if an Admech class appear, the Omnisian Axe (Which would be pretty high trust level) would be a Polearm i suppose

[iron locust]

What does a non space marine bolter look like

Same thing

[plush mason]

i guess i should have expected that

[chilly creek]

The same, but smaller

[celest dome]

Javelins I don't really see the point of, like we do knwo that the Psyker will get throwing knives as Blitz

[chilly creek]

Probably also the hassle of having a crossover weapon

[celest dome]

?

[crimson kayak]

Pull an Inverse bayonet and make it a melee special to throw it

[celest dome]

Re-using/adapting weapons from VT2 but making them work with the new system (Giving them variants, making them non mundane weapons...) and new skins would be quite welcomed

[chilly creek]

Shotgun shell in the handle or nothing

[iron locust]

They reused enemies they can reuse weapons

[celest dome]

They did ?

[iron locust]

The rager looks a lot like a vt2 enemy

I assume at least

Don’t take my word as gospel

[celest dome]

Well it's adapted/reskinned and doesn't really use the same animations
Though it would be fun to have a Rager that jump as do the Frothers

[iron locust]

They could do same process to weapons

Then

[shadow plover]

They've used a couple animation probably (which is good and more companies should do more of it instead doing redundant work when there's something ready for it)

[iron locust]

This is all assuming FatShark actually remembers that spears/polearms exists

[crystal forum]

polearms would be pretty inconvenient in close quarters hive cities

[celest dome]

I mean, there are weapons in VT2 that are very cool, and taking them and expanding them into the Darktide system would be great in general
Like the whole Skullsplitter Hammer becoming Thunder Hammer weapons, with the original move set and a few other variants
Fire Sword becoming a Biomantic sword exchanging Flame for electricity...

[celest dome]

There is no reason to believe that they did

[celest dome]

We fight with an Ogryn, it'll be alright

[crystal forum]

i actually like the fact that most of the available melee weapons are relatively small

it fits the area

[plush mason]

the maps are far from cramped

[chilly creek]

Playing in ducts you can't dodge in would not exactly be a fun experience

[iron locust]

Well we know that small weapons is not a constraint. Two handed chainaxe is confirmed to eventually be in

[celest dome]

Yup, leaked in the insignia

[crystal forum]

how would polearms work? they'd just have extra reach?

[plush mason]

yeah

[green loom]

AP could be a nice thing

Since you've lotsa leverage

[iron locust]

Play Kruber halberd Jay

[crystal forum]

what's that

[green loom]

Also when

[plush mason]

be like the ones in VT2 good crowd control and zoning

[iron locust]

Vermintide 2. Kruber, one of the classes, has a halberd

[crystal forum]

i dont have that game

[plush mason]

i highly recommend getting it when you can

[crystal forum]

yeah everybody seems to love it

[iron locust]

Gotta say I prefer the meatier darktide melee combat with more feedback on hits

[celest dome]

Polearms in VT2 have less sweep but better range than most

[arctic talon]

Garia

[plush mason]

yeah

[celest dome]

Graia ?

[arctic talon]

Fuck

I knew I misspelled something

Yeah that

[celest dome]

Just blame it on dyslexia, that's what I always do

[arctic talon]

The vengeance launcher gets mentioned in the admech codex

(It is still in development)

[celest dome]

I'm not sure a missile Launcher is really needed. Apart as a set piece or something

[plush mason]

a giant ork invasion and the only working prototype being taken by a SM likely did little to help with the development process

[plush mason]

its a nad launcher btw

[crystal forum]

i think ogryn already has all the explosive weapons that would be needed

[celest dome]

Suppose it could work

[iron locust]

If they do actually add a spear/Polearm variant to darktide against the immeasurably big odds then it’d be day of the year

That’s not saying much considering how this year is going for me but

[arctic talon]

Also they found an issue with the sticky substance used it can be used as a mostly non toxic calorie filler

[celest dome]

day of the year ?

[plush mason]

lmao

[arctic talon]

So now there’s a debate on wether they should just scrap the whole thing

And use the gel as food filler

[plush mason]

rip

[arctic talon]

Peak admech

[plush mason]

yup

[iron locust]

-insert generic phrase to express excitement instead-

[celest dome]

Produce the gun, harvest the gelly
Profit

[arctic talon]

Lol

[plush mason]

btw. how many times has Graia been invaded canonically? because iirc its called the cursed forgeworld due to being a target of invasion

[arctic talon]

That would mean they need another sticky substance that can’t be used as cheap food filler

Many times

At least 5 major invasions on the planet

And 3 on the Graian crown

[plush mason]

the what?

[celest dome]

Nah, just throw the gun out after ward

[crystal forum]

still not as bad as armageddon

[celest dome]

Graian Crown is the space station

[arctic talon]

The graian crown is the “actual” forge world

[plush mason]

...

[arctic talon]

It’s a bunch of inter connected space stations the size of continents

That is warp capable

It’s also been invaded by Necrons twice

[rose thorn]

It’s great

[crystal forum]

why tf do necrons care about that stuff

[rose thorn]

‘Thanks for the resources fool PEACE’

[arctic talon]

Did you know breaking into a tomb world had consequences

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[celest dome]

Still worth it

[arctic talon]

Especially when you fucking strip mine it

[plush mason]

hell a lot of it was likely theirs to being with so

[crystal forum]

this will not stop me from graverobbing robotic egyptian tombs

[plush mason]

spoken like a true member of the admech

or a better way to say it would have been "error. damn not found"

[arctic talon]

But yeah it’s pretty much a giant collection of space stations that fly around strip mine and make stuff

[plush mason]

sounds cool

[arctic talon]

Also whenever it returns to Graia it dumps a fuck load of raw materials

[crystal forum]

admech the type of people to steal the sign that warns about a curse for those who enter a tomb

[arctic talon]

And then waits for it to be processed

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-finding-nemo-mine-mine-mine-thats-mine-lulugifs-gif-20827668

the admech the moment they find any STC/necron tech

[crystal forum]

this sounds like dwarf adjacent activity

[arctic talon]

Lol

Also the funny thing is

One time they started strip mining an astroid belt

They ran into an ork empire

[plush mason]

fun

[arctic talon]

And they got boarded lmao

[plush mason]

even more fun

[crystal forum]

orks really do hang out in the weirdest places

[arctic talon]

Fun fact the skitarii from Graia really don’t like retreating

Because of that incident

Because turns out you can’t really retreat in a space station when it’s corridors are tiny

[celest dome]

Wasn't it Graia which had a Skitarii legion that basically had to cannibalise each other to keep fighting or something ?

[plush mason]

where the hell where all the skitarii/tech priests in the space marine game anyway? where they all on the crown which i assume was out of the system at the time

[arctic talon]

Yeah because they ran out of resources

Mid way through a crusade

So they drew straws lol

[arctic talon]

Off screen/on the crown

[crystal forum]

btw i recently learned that orks being fungus is actually really old lore that hasn't been mentioned much past the 2000's. is that still fully cannon?

[arctic talon]

Since there’s still tech priests making announcments

In the PA

[arctic talon]

Orks are still fungi

As of 2020

[crystal forum]

nice

[arctic talon]

Because liber xenologis has a rogue trader interviewing an ork flashgit

Who he is paying in guns

For the interview

[plush mason]

afaik orks have always been fungi and the orcs in fantasy where fungi for most of their existence as well

[arctic talon]

They don’t have green blood anymore

Mostly because red blood looks cooler and is easier to paint

[plush mason]

lol

[crystal forum]

i wonder what ork flesh tastes like

[arctic talon]

Very tough and stringy

According to an ork

[crystal forum]

would eating orks be against vegan ethics

[arctic talon]

Squig is tasty according to guardsmen

[arctic talon]

Yes because orks are sentient and sapient

[plush mason]

is ork meat even meat?

[arctic talon]

Yesnt

Orks are weird meat fungi hybrid

[crystal forum]

but is it vegetarian

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/good-question-meme-shrek-gif-16886109

[crystal forum]

doesnt the fungi origin just explain how they're able to breed so fast in the most inhospitable areas

[arctic talon]

No they literally have spores

[celest dome]

According to most Vegetarians I know, it would not be

[arctic talon]

Like fall off of them

[plush mason]

yeah and iirc when you kill one they release all their spores at once

[celest dome]

That's why you have to burn their body

[plush mason]

yup

[crystal forum]

bruh every enemy mankind faces is always so hard to get rid of

[plush mason]

thats the idea

[celest dome]

And then clean up regularly the battlefield of mushroom pods, then it's cleansed in theory

[chilly creek]

They got rid of all the easy ones already 😉

[arctic talon]

The eldar have a very creative way of getting rid of eldar spores

[crystal forum]

at least orks are pretty harmless relatively speaking when not in big groups

[arctic talon]

They just leave a bunch of contact activated laser nets under soil

So when the orks emerge

They instantly get sliced up

And burned

[plush mason]

lol

[plush mason]

they still have the shape of the fantasy orc/goblin shrooms

neat

[crystal forum]

do orks kill people that don't pose a threat?

[celest dome]

yes, or take them as slave

then kill them for fun at some point

[crystal forum]

huh i thought they liked war not the idea of causing pain

[celest dome]

Tehy still are Ahole

[crystal forum]

so what species would be the least likely to kill you if you're unarmed

[celest dome]

Tau ?

[crystal forum]

what about eldar

[chilly creek]

Probably depends on the eldar

[celest dome]

Would probably still end up killing you

[crystal forum]

actually maybe the dark eldar would be the least likely to outright kill you 🤔

[plush mason]

oh 100%

they very much want to keep you alive as long as they can

means more pain for them to feed off of

[crystal forum]

has there been any dark eldar material added to lore recently

[shadow plover]

define recently

[crystal forum]

the past 3 years

[shadow plover]

then nothing that I'm aware of

or probably the 9th ed codex had something new but haven't read it

[crystal forum]

do codexes add much to lore

[shadow plover]

some times

[signal bramble]

The Crowl novel has some stuff.

I’ll spoiler tag it in case anyone wants to read the series. Right, here you go.

||Since the rift opened, comorragh had been undergoing regular daemon incursions that they’re trying to fight off. In an attempt to seal it off, they created their own version of the golden throne.

In exchange for fixing the golden throne on Terra, they wanted a sample of Big E’s DNA so they could grow an emperor of their own to sit on their golden throne. They were thwarted but haven’t given up.||

[storm jungle]

They have gotten practically nothing.

Their 9th edition codex also had recycled basically every lore point from the last edition so there wasn't anything there either.

[crystal forum]

damn that's some wild stuff

[storm jungle]

even the stuff in the Crowl novel was entirely made up and probably won't really be followed considering how the writers tend to treat xenos factions

[signal bramble]

They won’t got anywhere with the storyline but it’s still pretty cool.

[storm jungle]

I'd rather have more dark eldar lore than more Imperium piggybacking honestly

[celest dome]

Probalby going to end up with a SM saving the day and finding a way to stop the problem, as always

[storm jungle]

Also that too

same as how the Lion is just gonna kill Angron again in the final arks book

and chaos will have its great plot thwarted

[signal bramble]

Doubtful. They really aren’t going to do anything with nuance as far as the druks are concerned. I bought the codexes to see if there was any nuance to their lore and that’s a big fat nope.

[storm jungle]

Yeah I know, its what I said above

[signal bramble]

Or there that one bit in the space sharks novel where…

||Its apparently possible for a Drukhari soul to be so disgusting and gross that even Slaanesh doesn’t wanna eat it.||

That was really silly.

[storm jungle]

That entire book was just dogshit

5 marines taking on an entire kabal too

[signal bramble]

It was.

[storm jungle]

also an autistic child can see mysterious patterns/gateways trope

which like so many movies have done at this point 💀

[signal bramble]

Yeah. Treating autism as equivalent to being a savant/mystic is not only cliche but extremely disrespectful.

But we ain’t talking about that right now.

The point is, there’s been some interesting lore stuff for the druks but it will never go anywhere or add nuance.

You’ll take your space sadist elves and like it.

[summer rover]

"how can we be resepctful of autism? i know, we'll treat autistics like a plot device defined by weaponizing their problem!" hollywood, whenever they need to discuss mental health of any kind.

[arctic talon]

[summer rover]

at least in 40k the running gag is everyone is horrible so it makes SOME sense.

[arctic talon]

Something something all humans are resources something

[summer rover]

no, that's just the amazon llc charter

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[green loom]

How come I can't, fkn GW

[crystal forum]

if angron or the lion finally die for real then at least there would be some sort of permanent change to the lore

[plush mason]

has there ever not been a time when that the case tho?

[signal bramble]

Not really relevant. :p it’s still disrespectful.

[plush mason]

as a person with autism i can tell you the answer is no. ether im a savant or a hellspawn depending on who it is talking about me lol

[crystal forum]

it's pretty hard to introduce a neurodivergent character and not use them as a plot device

[plush mason]

yeah

mainly because the author has to also be neurodivergent to be able to portray a neurodivergent mind correctly, and even then most of the readers wont understand it

[crystal forum]

hell i'd say that psykers as a whole are a representation of stereotypical schizophrenia and their whole reason to exist in 40k is that they're magical crazy people

[copper patrol]

you get a big mix with psykers

space marine ones are generally "normal" (as fucked up as it sounds to type that but you get the idea)

then the normal human ones are everything from poorly portrayed people with disabilities to mr charisma mcgee

[green loom]

People's idea of autistic is being socially inept

[plush mason]

no people's of autistic is whatever the fuck the current trending movie/show portrays it as

[copper patrol]

which is generally that or like savantish if I remember anything from movies/shows(I don't)

[crisp heath]

Choose your autism class: psychic, starchild, incompetent, moody

[crystal forum]

they see it as a burden instead of a different way of existing

[crisp heath]

I'd call autism being cat software on monkey hardware

[plush mason]

autism is very much a different coding

it is called neurodivergence for a reason

[crystal forum]

autism is one of those things that lets you act normally enough to not be considered crazy but different enough to seem annoying to neurotypical people

same as ADHD

[plush mason]

only autism 1

there is a spectrum of severity

with autism 3 being unable to talk or move properly

[celest dome]

Can Sororitas Zephirims' Fly (Like the Starcraft's Reapers or are they like the SM Jump Pack troops ?

Well more like can they hover ?

[signal bramble]

They have jet packs.

So it’s flight.

Also! You have the option of having them start the battle in free deep strike which is described as them flying high in the air.

So it stands to reason they are capable of staying up there for a protracted period of time.

[celest dome]

Cool, cool, cool, the SM Jump Pack aren't able to do such right

[green loom]

I imagine because marines weigh tons

[plush mason]

they do?

i thought it was like 800 pounds at most for a normal marine

[copper patrol]

possibly with armor and stuff

[plush mason]

the 800 is with armor

the marine himself is like 300 something pounds

[copper patrol]

def more then that

normal human beefy mcgee is like 300 something

[plush mason]

from what i have seen of them the most they would weigh is like 400

[plush mason]

lol no

[copper patrol]

yes?

[plush mason]

well yeah a bodybuilder would be around that

[celest dome]

How much is that in normal units ?

[crystal forum]

300 pounds is less than some weightlifters

they definitely weight a lot more than that

[plush mason]

fair

[copper patrol]

marines are also likely considerable more dense then an average human

[crystal forum]

yeah they have more bone mass

[plush mason]

so they cant swim

got it

[crystal forum]

they can swim actually but not with armour

i literally read a passage about that in a book the other day

[plush mason]

not with that much density, they would have 0 buoyancy. its part of why other primates cant swim

[copper patrol]

there is a reason you never see any naval stuff in 40k

[plush mason]

yeah

[versed ledge]

So what brought you guys to 40k?

[crystal forum]

they can still swim with their powerful muscles

[plush mason]

DOW2

[green loom]

My own immature stupidity

[arctic talon]

Cool looking books at a game store

[celest dome]

Warhammer Fantasy (Well Dreadfleet->Warhammer Fantasy->40k->Kill Team->War Cry->AoS)
With Vermintide 2 in between 40k and Kill Team, and Darktide at the tail end

[crystal forum]

youtube lore videos

[versed ledge]

DOW 1 for me

[arctic talon]

I bought a codex as my first 40k product ever lul

[plush mason]

not really how it works but its 40k. it rarely makes sense with stuff like this lol

[crystal forum]

i still can't understand how i didn't know what 40k was before 2019

[green loom]

I found it by looking up the dawn of war 1 icon specifically

[arctic talon]

If you’ve ever been in a game store you prolly had a very vague background memory of weird plastic soldiers

Or at least there’s a chance

[crystal forum]

i've definitely seen a ton of 40k stuff but never realized it was all one big thing

[arctic talon]

Yeah

It’s def a like

Weird thing?

[copper patrol]

I think like I vaguely knew about it

[arctic talon]

For everything to fit together

[crystal forum]

now that i know what 40k is i see it absolutely everywhere

[celest dome]

The closest game store from my school had a few warhammer models, but for some reason most people who player war games there were playing another fantasy game which doesn't exist anymore

[copper patrol]

and then I got into warhammer fantasy from total war warhammer

or no that's not right

I found text to speech first

how I got there I do not remember

[iron locust]

I had a friend who was into Warhammer and that’s all I remember from how I found Warhammer

[arctic talon]

Kind of funny how warhammer is still the most alive fantasy game

Somehow

And middle earth is the other one

which GW also owns

[crystal forum]

sci fi will never die

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[iron locust]

Science fiction will die when science fiction technologies become reality

[crystal forum]

one day fantasy will be popular again and sci fi will be lame lol

[gloomy citrus]

I guess that there aren't many competitors.

[iron locust]

Then it’s just science fantasy

[gloomy citrus]

Most people prefer video games.

[arctic talon]

Yeah because they all died lol

The only mini war gaming market GW doesn’t have their hands in is historical stuff

[crystal forum]

yeah video games have killed tabletop games

[gloomy citrus]

They don't need historical.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

They don’t

[gloomy citrus]

True.

[crystal forum]

but 40k has so much material outside the tabletop that it survives

[arctic talon]

Because bolt action would prolly destroy them as well

If they tried pushing into that market

[green loom]

A chunk of historical mini sales are made for Warhammer anyway

[gloomy citrus]

I hope that the model industry doesn't go extinct.

[arctic talon]

They won’t

GW is still recording record profits

From minis

Which is insane

[crystal forum]

with how cheap it's becoming to make models i doubt they'll stop anytime soon

[arctic talon]

^

Minis are high profit margin

[green loom]

Yeah they get a massive profit from a single kit

[arctic talon]

After they’ve made up the cost of the mold

[gloomy citrus]

I can see that.

[crystal forum]

they overprice the hell out of them

[arctic talon]

Assuming they don’t break the mold

[green loom]

They probably pay more for the box than the minis themselves

[arctic talon]

Which has happened before

[gloomy citrus]

I wouldn't go that far.

[arctic talon]

As funny as that would be it actually isn’t

[copper patrol]

luckily

[crystal forum]

they don't even need molds anymore

[arctic talon]

The minis still do go through QA after being printed

[copper patrol]

I don't want to feel that ripped off

[arctic talon]

They do

GW doesn’t use printers

They use injection molds

[crystal forum]

they probably still use molds but there's so many cheaper ways to do it

[arctic talon]

That’s their biggest cost

Injection molds

Because GW loves them

And consumers love the level of detail and precision they provide

[gloomy citrus]

Using printers could probably decrease the value and rarity.

[green loom]

Iirc they use printers before they make the molds themselves no?

[arctic talon]

Printers also usually aren’t as consistant as plastic injection molds

[crystal forum]

it's not like they're selling an industrial amount of minis. they're probably wasting a ton of money making molds for a couple hundreds or thousands of buyers

[arctic talon]

No, according to their investor report which is insane to me

It seems almost foolish

[green loom]

At least I know lots of printer bros pointing out print lines on rumour engines and reveals

[arctic talon]

That’s for the Forgeworld stuff

[celest dome]

Injections mold are used because they are reliable and when they are well cared for can be used for long time

[arctic talon]

Forgeworld uses printers

^

Forgeworld is still working with resin as well

[arctic talon]

Yeah if you look at the resin Aeronautica rumor engine stuff you can see print lines

[green loom]

Can't sin without resin

[copper patrol]

isn't forgeworld also notoriously shit qa

[arctic talon]

Yes

Their recent stuff is better

But by god

Never buy a forgeworld product from pre 2010

You will regret it

[celest dome]

Even in Industries we still use Injection molds because while it's expensive to make, it's not to expensive to use

[copper patrol]

I barely buy gw stuff

[arctic talon]

Forgeworld still hand sculpts their minis lol

[copper patrol]

[arctic talon]

Which uh

[green loom]

Omw to buy a forgeworld product from before 2010

[copper patrol]

I want to get a printer

[arctic talon]

is certainly a decision when CAD exists

[copper patrol]

but uh

I am too lazy to fuck with itrn

[arctic talon]

Printers are sort of a pain to set up

Tbh

[copper patrol]

i've heard

a lot of my fraternity brother had them while I was in house

[green loom]

accidentally kills self with printer fumes

[copper patrol]

but I think only one of thme had resin

[celest dome]

Resin printers are the worst to maintain

[crystal forum]

you can get cheap printers that do most of the work for you these days

[arctic talon]

Which also can fail

[copper patrol]

and the non-resisn one (at least theirs) where kinda ass when it came to detail

[arctic talon]

If I want the level of detail I’d want for minis

I’d be paying 200 to 300 for a printer at least

[celest dome]

Wax printer for metal moldings is fun though, but not the sand ones

[arctic talon]

Which I have

Funnily enough

[crystal forum]

yeah that's low range

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But still

The upfront price + setup turns some people off

[crystal forum]

i got a 300$ printer that auto levels for me even

[copper patrol]

it do

[arctic talon]

Which meh

[copper patrol]

but also like

[arctic talon]

I can get why

I only really print bits personally

[copper patrol]

if you want to do wargaming(at least gw wargames) it can end up being cheaper iirc

[green loom]

You'd think that wouldn't be an issue for people willing to spend 1k+ on entire armies

[arctic talon]

I don’t get it either lol

But meh

People can spend their money how they wish