40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

The craftworlders are assholes in their own right but they can't really be blamed tbf

[coarse pumice]

i'm recalling the Eldrad Gran Torino post

but that's been lost to time iirc

[storm jungle]

Basically their POV is imagine being on a cruise ship

then some group of 20 gorillas show up

and start smashing shit

[versed ledge]

So I gotta ask, these craftworlds and fleets, what are the odds that the Eldar are actually remnants of their Empire's military, and the only reason why they didn't succumbed to the hedonism their civilization enjoyed was because of the training and discipline instilled to them. Thus when civil order fell, naval and army units that aren't swamped got on ships and evacuated their families?

[storm jungle]

Thats basically the actual lore

all the Asuryani (craftworlders) are doomsday preppers esentially

[coarse pumice]

can't not have dino steak

[versed ledge]

Shit...for real? I just extrapolated and guessed it

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats entirely correct

Eldar back in the day didnt have a standing army, it was just robots

the Path System was invented afterwards to give their focus into other shit

which coincidentally also lets them have actual warriors on standby when war calls

[coarse pumice]

the craftworlders were a mix of doomsday preppers and long distance traders

[versed ledge]

I see, but every civilization has a police force, and odds are these eldar that exist in the 40k are descendants and are that said cops and security force

[coarse pumice]

the traders were away from civilisation for so long that they noticed the culture changing on the populated worlds

[storm jungle]

The inspiration behind it was basically like samurai temples, where if your village is being attacked you will just run to them and ask for help.

Except in this case the help is entirely free since they are your kinsmen, compared to IRL Samurais which are just glorified mercenaries essentially

[green loom]

The craftworlders fucked off long before the fall happened

[storm jungle]

Eldar don't really need a police force

like

they arent like us

they wont steal random shit because they can

theres shops and stalls on craftworlds too, its all free

[gloomy citrus]

It's all free?

How is that possible?

[storm jungle]

Because they arent humans

[versed ledge]

What kind of star trek world do they live in the 40k for the eldar?!

[storm jungle]

and dont think like we do

[storm jungle]

Its a utopian society essentially

[near wasp]

They are a post resource race

[storm jungle]

its great

[storm jungle]

^ this is the correct term iirc

post-scarcity it was i think

[near wasp]

Thus why most eldar got really into drugs and doing the nasty

[coarse pumice]

the war shrines are also a sort of return to really old eldar culture

[versed ledge]

So a utopian society, but with drafts still?

[storm jungle]

Yeah but only in times of war

the citizens almost all go through Guardian training

[coarse pumice]

eldar made for fighting

[versed ledge]

The guardians they're conscripts, correct?

[storm jungle]

Yep

[green loom]

It's like how in Greek city states you had citizen militia

[storm jungle]

well more like a militia

[versed ledge]

Which is almost every time

[storm jungle]

exactly that yeah

[gloomy citrus]

Hoplites?

[green loom]

Basically

[storm jungle]

A craftworld is basically a floating paradise, you can do any job you want at any point and follow other interests.

Like imagine your current job now

you can leave it at any time

and go try something else

nobody is forcing you to do anything

because you dont live for 100 years or less

[coarse pumice]

I think you have to do one though

[near wasp]

You do what you want

[gloomy citrus]

Just how long do the Eldar live?

[storm jungle]

Yeah unless its anything important like being an admiral

[coarse pumice]

you need to be on a path, just any

[storm jungle]

Never specified but practically immortal lifespan wise

[coarse pumice]

otherwise you become unfocussed and susceptible to slaanesh

[green loom]

You're only locked if you become like an archon right

[storm jungle]

its just that most dont get old because they die i ncombat

[near wasp]

Eldrad is 10k+ right

[storm jungle]

Autarch/Exarch

When you got those "jobs"

[coarse pumice]

Menshad Korum

[storm jungle]

all you know is war essentially

so you cant follow any other path

[green loom]

You're not "you" much anymore

[storm jungle]

Exactly yeah

[coarse pumice]

Exarch lore is a bit messy

[storm jungle]

with Exarchs you have to forever stay in your shrine temple because otherwise you might be a threat to other eldar due to your urge for war

you can only go out when its time to accompany your kindred to war

Imagine them like Monk War Vets

they dont know anything else

[coarse pumice]

because on the one hand, exarchs slowly dissolved into their armour and couldn't take off their helmets and masks; on the other hand, GW release bare head Exarch options

[storm jungle]

One day 😔

also yeah the exarch armors have all the previous users souls

its absorbed into it if they die in the field before the next user comes to don it on

[coarse pumice]

I always proposed that it would be long enough that you would get 'lord' level Exarchs who aren't the founders, and the Phoenix Lords themselves as named characters are moved a tier up

[storm jungle]

Yeee thats more or less the "unsaid" deal

[versed ledge]

So supposed humans and eldar come together, what would even happen?

[storm jungle]

I mean

[coarse pumice]

they mingle already

[storm jungle]

Yeah that

it depends on the "human"

[versed ledge]

Wait they do?

[coarse pumice]

like they're seen in the trading areas high up on some hive worlds, and hired as mercenaries

[storm jungle]

^

Are you talking like big alliance wise?

[versed ledge]

Discounting conflicts, and eldar mercs?

[versed ledge]

Yeah something like that

[coarse pumice]

they're as close as an imperial ally you're going to get out of anyone

[storm jungle]

Ah thats hard to do

yeah that

like EVERY craftworld is basically its own nation-ship

its basically like asking what would happen if you let two country's peoples interact with each other

[green loom]

Currently

[storm jungle]

the problem is the other's population is super racist

and so is the others

[green loom]

Bobby is teamed up with Eldrad

[storm jungle]

And yeah this

but like its more

pops up

"Yo gman status update"

leaves

[coarse pumice]

Ulthwe was the Eldar Cadia, but GW blew up Biel Tan instead

[versed ledge]

So both eldar and humans are super speciesist pricks in this universe

[coarse pumice]

everyone is

[green loom]

Yeah humans hate and want to kill the Eldar and the Eldar look down on them as literal primitive monkeys

[storm jungle]

^

Eldar are super judgemental but you cant blame them that much

especially when this is what your average human is like

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-walking-gorilla-ape-gif-11409190

[versed ledge]

A little silly considering one is on the brink of extinction, and the other needs enlightenment

[coarse pumice]

funny thing is, high ups can and do cooperate

[storm jungle]

Basically

Necrons are super racist too

but eldar get more hate because "elf", so you know

[versed ledge]

Necrons are dead, they don't get a say

[storm jungle]

aw

[green loom]

It's a feedback loop

Most humans are monkey brained

[coarse pumice]

Dark Reaper in the front

[green loom]

So the sensible ones get double crossed and then hate the ones who double crossed them

[versed ledge]

But sucks that the entire necron race, or anyone unimportant is a machine

[queen laurel]

I would say having a necron butler would be very nice

[versed ledge]

Agreed

[queen laurel]

Quite slow but gets the job done

[storm jungle]

Basically most Imperial fans shove their head into a hole when they don't realise the Imperium is probably the most arrogant race in the setting

Necrons and Eldar are a close contender tho

[green loom]

Also if the sensible ones team up with the Eldar
Someone in the endless chain of beurocracy or an inquisitor won't like it and fuck things up

[storm jungle]

also that too

[green loom]

Like the Deathwatch did because they hated aliens so much

[storm jungle]

we have inquisitors who ruined the plan of a good inquisitor trying to get a mcguffin to help humanity

because he "hates him"

[queen laurel]

It's because most of them believe that the galaxy was a gift from the emperor

[storm jungle]

Pretty much, but thats also a lie so

WW2 Germany Moment

[green loom]

But yeah you can expect some guys to team up with them

But it's still

A Galaxy spanning Empire

Full of violent xenophobes/fascists who WILL kill you if you disagree with them

[storm jungle]

Once again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583630047189925889/1093224865496047708/6sts65zwkvra1.png

[green loom]

Like Guilliman teaming up with Eldrad was met with displeasure by his council

[versed ledge]

Yes

[storm jungle]

It was also the fact that he even TALKED with him

the book says everyone in the room was bitching the moment they saw Eldrad show up

[green loom]

Yeap

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Like you can sort of understand their standpoint

"they keep betraying us so why bother"

Since the Eldar can and do use them as meat shields

But it's also the imperium so

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

also like

"ELDAR USE THE IMPERIUM AS BAIT"

BRO YOU DO THE SAME THING

TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE

[green loom]

"They're our meat shields to spend!!!"

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah did the orcs in the end times just decided to attack everyone?

[storm jungle]

Nah they fought to the end against chaos

Grimgor also got a one up on Archaon before he decapitated him

a proper headbutt to his chaos crown which made a dent

[versed ledge]

Truth be told, the only reason why I like the astra militarum is because the guard are just like us..just average men and women, drafted to fight something they have no desire to even be in, some are there to protect their love ones, while others to escape an already hellish life. In the end, the guard, if one removes the problematic leadership, are just us regular guys and gals

[green loom]

Broke the eye of whatever the fuck

[storm jungle]

You can like any faction as long as you aren't a dick; is the top rule here

you are on the right path

[versed ledge]

Sole reason why I main Guard in dawn of war

[green loom]

Well you remove the problematic leadership and you're left with the xenophobic ground troops

[queen laurel]

Yes, i like Orks because they don't have any overly convoluted plans on why they should rule the galaxy

[versed ledge]

And the only faction I actively try to get as many men alive home

[green loom]

They're still all violent xenophobes

Think Starship Troopers

[storm jungle]

Yeah that

[green loom]

They're all victims of propaganda, willing or no

[versed ledge]

Yeah that

[storm jungle]

like a guardsman being non-xenophobic will only happen if you are someone like Loose Cannon

who is super ready to go turncoat

and do his own thing

its a lot harder with an entire platoon

[versed ledge]

Or they listen to the weird voice in their head to let loose and relax, maybe take a day off

[storm jungle]

[versed ledge]

[storm jungle]

But yeah the requirement is being open-minded basically. If its hostile you kill it.

[green loom]

You also have to consider that vets have probably lost friends to most enemies

And as a result probably have a grudge against most aliens

[storm jungle]

^

for example

this thing is actually very friendly

[queen laurel]

Probably doesn't help that a lot of aliens doesn't like diplomacy

[versed ledge]

The vet speaks of spicy memories when talking to the ogryn

[queen laurel]

This looks like a dnd monster

[storm jungle]

its 40k but i agree

[queen laurel]

Let me guess because it's alien

[storm jungle]

Yep

40k artists kinda suck when making aliens

[queen laurel]

Yep i knew it exterminated

Let me guess that thing is extinct

[storm jungle]

Nah

new member to the tau as an auxillary race

[queen laurel]

Really?

[storm jungle]

Yep

its just a minor xenos in the Xenologis book

[queen laurel]

Aye

[green loom]

We need more Tau auxiliaries

[versed ledge]

The Tau are using ecchi tentacle monsters now?

[green loom]

But we have Shit Kelly as the writer so we'll get only Tau

[storm jungle]

No no, tau let other aliens join their empire as citizens/auxillary

[coarse pumice]

there was someone, like a real life version of Uthan the Perverse, who suggested that Orks and Eldar are more relatable to people than the Astra Militarum and Space Marines are, because the latter are supermen, and the former are Skaven

[queen laurel]

You did not have to bring that up

[storm jungle]

think of the Covenant from Halo

OH I MISREAD

💀

[versed ledge]

Slaanesh told me to

[green loom]

Tau have so much potential that's wasted

[queen laurel]

I mean to be honest, warhammer fantasy skaven have very unstable technology, and of course a lot of numbers

That's the only thing they are similar with

[versed ledge]

Sho'vah anyone not an ethereal is carrying the Tau

[coarse pumice]

the old genestealer

[versed ledge]

Sounds like the imperium and ork tech

[coarse pumice]

the old genestealer, before they became part of tyranids

the head looks more alien

[queen laurel]

Looks like wildmutt that had too much cocaine

[coarse pumice]

ah, the power shovel guy

[queen laurel]

Surprised it's not a generic krieger meme

[coarse pumice]

it was from an old piece of Eldar artwork

where a rock in the background made the sword look like a shovel

iirc it was before krieg was that well known

[queen laurel]

That explains that

[storm jungle]

lmao

he legit

mistook a wall debris for a shovel

gg 4chan

[plush mason]

ngl that is far from the worst bad take from 4chan

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

I mean power shovels are easier to take seriously than "my face is a gun"

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/lockdown-gif-21201946

[plush mason]

dark eldar incubus be like "am i a joke to you?"

[crisp heath]

Craftworlders have a few bits to make their face shooty too

[plush mason]

lol they do?

[crisp heath]

Mandiblasters

[plush mason]

ohhh so thats what those pops are

[green loom]

I feel like Balenciagahammer 40k has better lore than regular Warhammer

[plush mason]

ummmm, what

[coarse pumice]

if you look at me funny, dakka comes out of my face

[plush mason]

well. space marines can spit acid so

[plush mason]

i have seen it. its cringe as hell like all the others

[green loom]

😢

[plush mason]

ofc im biased as hell against Balenciaga and the other fashion shows the AI is using to make those images so there is that

[green loom]

I just find the funny deep fake voices funni

[plush mason]

that part is fine

the images are the problem

[versed ledge]

We all know Balenciaga is what the emperor preferred

Never did understood fashion, just give me something reasonable and protective and I'm a happy camper

[shadow plover]

Reddit moment

[versed ledge]

"Fifteen Hours" could have been written with more flushed out characters then again the main character was just alive for fifteen hours

[astral whale]

I mean. It’s not racist if you hate life itself.

Like… that’s literally the lore. They went through a full societal “emo” phase because the Old ones refused them the science to spare them their shitty existence.

[green loom]

They're more cold about it but they're still quite racist

[plush mason]

iirc the necrotyr where a race of sadistic slavers so i doubt the old ones not helping them is what made them xenophobic

[arctic talon]

The necron nobility literally see other races as lesser of them

So

They’re defintely racist lol

[plush mason]

yeah and they well before they became necrons

[storm jungle]

Racism is racism, so no

and the Old Ones spared them that shit because they were no better when they were cancer-crons either

[astral whale]

Well? Didn’t they worship death?

[storm jungle]

No they didnt

they just had an addiction for tombs

because "we all die fast so might as well"

[astral whale]

I mean. In the sense like might as well “Die well” not “Die fast”

[green loom]

It's diet egyptians

[storm jungle]

Its both in this case

also what Ede said

[astral whale]

True

[storm jungle]

and egyptians were assholes

[plush mason]

hell iirc the necrotyr didnt even want to be cured, they just wanted their leaders to be immortal

[storm jungle]

so it fits

[arctic talon]

They’ve never worshiped death

[green loom]

TTS overblows it by a good bit

[summer rover]

i don't take necron lore seriously, it's just them trying to steal the best bits of tomb kings while hiding they're stealing bits from tomb kings instead of doing their own writing.

[astral whale]

Wait. Wasn’t Ancient Egypt a multi racial multi ethnic empire?

[green loom]

Necrons weren't just sitting in tombs waiting to die

[arctic talon]

They were that doesn’t mean they weren’t assholes tho

[green loom]

That practiced massive slavery and was ruled by a class of Greek elite, yes

[arctic talon]

Tbf

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

The Greek elite didn’t rule over Egypt till

A lot later

[astral whale]

There are different types of asshole.

[storm jungle]

Bruh

[arctic talon]

HAHAHAHAHA

[storm jungle]

an asshole is an asshole

[astral whale]

It’s a whole family of assholes.

[arctic talon]

I am sure

[plush mason]

yes and no. it varied on the time period

[arctic talon]

The slavers

Are great people

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/im-surrounded-by-assholes-dark-helmet-colonel-sandurz-spaceballs-surrounded-by-dicks-gif-24854423

[arctic talon]

If you get to know them

[astral whale]

https://tenor.com/view/spaceballs-funny-sorry-sir-doing-my-best-gif-12052920

[green loom]

It's also like

[arctic talon]

And send them tribute

[green loom]

Trazyn comments that they used to go hunting in retinues

[astral whale]

You beat me by like 2 seconds

[arctic talon]

And adopt their religion

[green loom]

And remember

They had short lifespans compared to the Eldar and Old ones

So they might still have lived for a lot longer than humans

[arctic talon]

Yep

[storm jungle]

Yeah and the radiation-cancer was basically integrated into their genes

[arctic talon]

That’s the funny thing lol

[storm jungle]

so even when they had space travel

they still withered

lmao

sucks to suck

[arctic talon]

We don’t know how long they lived compared to humans

[summer rover]

even at their best, necrons were the same elitist colonialist dogshit eldar were, except when they had a chance to learn from their shit they went "no, we're not out of touch, it's the science that needs improving".

[astral whale]

Idk. I like the idea that the Silent King was a child king.

[arctic talon]

Also I don’t think the tomb kings tore apart their own gods and shoved them into vaults

Just saying

The Necrons do have some of their own stuff to them

[green loom]

No they just tore eachother apart

[arctic talon]

But there is overlap

[arctic talon]

Catapult ammo

[summer rover]

nagash does that in the end times, actually. so that's wehre that came from

[astral whale]

Also what if all of the sentient Necrons are technically barely adolescent.

[summer rover]

because every story needs a nagash proxy.

[arctic talon]

Okay but that necron lore

Was before endtimes

[green loom]

It doesn't matter since they're all multi million years old

[arctic talon]

Necrons became newcrons in 5e

[green loom]

And also you're applying human maturity to aliens that don't even breed like we do

[arctic talon]

Which predates endtimes

By several years

[summer rover]

does it even count if those miulliosn of years were spent out cold?

[plush mason]

nah Nagash ripped off the necrons there

[green loom]

They still spent a while in the War in Heaven

[astral whale]

Also historically speaking race is a modern invention.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[green loom]

Yeah see before they just thought you were an unholy demon and/or animal for looking different

[plush mason]

not even remotely true lol. for all of human history race has played an important part in civilization, hell for the egyption people for a long time anyone not from their kingdom wasnt even human

[arctic talon]

Race was differently defined

Is the main thing imo

[plush mason]

yes

[arctic talon]

It was more so nationalism

[green loom]

The thing that's a modern invention is like, actual big national identities

[arctic talon]

More then what we consider race nowadays

[summer rover]

someone should reveal that the plauge that destroyed the necrons was just eczema and humanity cured it naturally while the necrons were all asleep.

[plush mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

Death

[summer rover]

that would be some classic warhammery right there

[astral whale]

That’s nationalism. Not race. Even the Greeks had a concept of nationalism.

[plush mason]

fair

[arctic talon]

Something something Roman something

[astral whale]

The city states had their own national pride but they still recognized each other as Greek.

[summer rover]

really, the romans mistakes were so big we're still dealing with them. shame nobody listened to those gauls on the outskirts.

[plush mason]

unless it was the city states outside of Hella

[astral whale]

True.

[plush mason]

then those where just barely above barbarians

[storm jungle]

Skill issue

[astral whale]

Then again. It’s the Greeks we’re talking about.
Their enlightened minds were only so enlightened.

Can we all agree that GW has a massive Rome Boner?

[plush mason]

they are British. and remember the British are why so much of Rome's history was glorified and butchered like it was

damn Victorians

[astral whale]

Hence why I hate the Ultrasmurfs for being too perfect. Like. If they’re going to be a far future Rome, they should inherit the problems of Rome too Lol.

[summer rover]

early GW didn't, but they've clearly got a lot of tory supporters heading the place up now.

[plush mason]

imagine if the imperium replaced the emperor like the Torys replaced PMs lmao

[summer rover]

we'd have been on god-emperor tzeentch by the time they work up ultradilbert.

[plush mason]

yup

[plush mason]

if you take the Victorian view, Rome had no problems and only fell to uncountable masses of unwashed savages and took the whole world into darkness when it fell

[green loom]

Yeah unwashed savages like the brits

[summer rover]

i mean, the unwashed savages were the future english, so maybe they shoulda thought about it longer.

[astral whale]

Tbh I kinda like Machiavelli and Augustine’s takes on this.

[astral whale]

I mean tbh the Imperium most resembles the Holy Roman Empire.

[storm jungle]

It does until it doesnt tbh

[summer rover]

yeah, including the fact it was failing from within from internal mismanagement and impossible scaling

[plush mason]

like all factions of warhammer really. they are all clearly drawn from irl nations but they all clearly have their distinct elements as well

[storm jungle]

Pretty much lmao

the Empire is a much better example since its literally the Holy Roman Empire with much more accurate infighting.

[plush mason]

yup

hell "the empire" is also the actual name of "the holy roman empire" with the later title only being used after it had fallen from power

[green loom]

Don't fantasy hoomins sometimes use "Reich" or "Reik" for it

They also have "Reikspiel"

[plush mason]

yeah well the empire was very heavily german for most of its history

with the center of its power moving as far east as ether Hungary or Poland before its fall

[astral whale]

I mean what are the Eldar then?

Or the Orks? Idk if there even is a real life basis for them

[plush mason]

british football fans

not even a joke

[storm jungle]

Not all 40k races have a real-life basis either

lmao

[green loom]

Eldar lean heavier on Greek crap than fantasy elves iirc

[storm jungle]

Eldar are a massive soup of cultures

[green loom]

But vaguely

[storm jungle]

They are like, Greek, Gaelic, Japanese, Hindu for the most part

but thats going into culture/lore too

but its less in your face compared to say Tau

[green loom]

Tauva will grow larger
I build for Tauva

Need to shitpost while I wait for queue in HLL

[astral whale]

Tau are just a collage of Asian authoritarianism.

[storm jungle]

I mean kinda but not really

[plush mason]

wasnt it said that Angron was inspired by a bouncer at a bar some of the GW founders where regulars at?

[storm jungle]

Nah that story is fake

[plush mason]

ah

[storm jungle]

No wait i mixed it up

I THINK thats true

its the "Rock gaybar" thats false

[green loom]

You don't need specific inspiration for Angron

[plush mason]

nope

[storm jungle]

yeah its important to remember a few people came up with these Primarch names in a pub one night

[green loom]

Angron, the angry Primarch

Lion, the Lion

[plush mason]

Robutay Gulliman, the south african freedomfighter? that one still makes no sense to me

[storm jungle]

Guilliman is the most weird one since theres not a solid lead

[astral whale]

You’ve got
Chinese (Ethereals, Even the name comes from Taoism)
Japanese (Mechas, anime names, etc.)
India (Caste System)

[storm jungle]

The Chinese thing is barely there along with the Indian thing

Japanese aesthetics makes like 90% of their faction too

even the designers just say "We just look at India for the caste system thing and moved on"

[green loom]

It's funny Mecha people with vaguely utopian ideals

[storm jungle]

it doesnt go too deep beyond that

[green loom]

I read some stuff about vague NATO inspiration on the military but

Eh

[astral whale]

Tau is more inspired by Kampfgruppe tbh.

Like how they handle formations.

[green loom]

👀

Thems dangerous words son

Be careful lest you summon....

[plush mason]

which member of NATO? there is like 100 militaries that make up said alliance

[green loom]

them

Unless all the wehraboos already got themselves banned

[plush mason]

i think they have

[green loom]

Ah ok

[green loom]

I didn't read any specifics since it was reddit saying it and you know how trustworthy they are

[plush mason]

smart

[astral whale]

I mean think about it. A loosely defined taskforce equipped to handle a specific situation.

[coarse pumice]

the tau heads remind me of these

[thick cedar]

does the emperor ever get bored

like if its an unusually slow day

[green loom]

I think the never ending excruciating pain keeps him sufficiently attentive

[near wasp]

also the fact that if he relaxs for a moment the world will end

[summer rover]

honestly tau are just british colonialism with a thick candy shell of orientalist mysticism which fits because the tau likely appropriate anything they like after they conque- ally with the lesser races.

[versed ledge]

You know what would be cool, a 40k game that plays like insurgency (original), but within a hive city hunting down local insurgents, and with a mode for outbreak containment, with threats ranging from zombie plague, to gene steal cult related biohazards, or chaos related infections

With customizations for armor and weapons too

Fatshark you reading this

[summer rover]

i think the necromunda shooter would be better suited to that, as much as people disliked it

[plush mason]

i dont get why people disliked hired gun

[storm jungle]

Basically its because the gameplay is just shit

If you play it you will exactly see why people disliked it

the level design itself is fantastic tho but it doesnt help save the game

[heavy bison]

I mean, we all know the Tau are just Gunpla enthusiasts right?

[heavy bison]

Hired Gun? yeah its pretty mid. Though it was entertaining.

[green loom]

It's 40k EYE, with all the jank that entails

[heavy bison]

The Squeaky rat toy in Hired Gun was fun though.

[storm jungle]

Yeah its basically a Mars bar

you eat it

eat tastes great

then wrap it up and throw it away

its why the game is basically dead now after like a year or so

[heavy bison]

Pmuch.

Which, isn't a bad thing its just not Doom 2016 or Doom Eternal.

[green loom]

I will now go play Final Fantasy XXIV instead of Hired Gun

[storm jungle]

Lmao

a better choice

this game was just not worth all the time i put into it

[green loom]

Me when Foxhole

[heavy bison]

I don't think I've ever achievement hunted on steam.

[green loom]

[heavy bison]

Only game I've come close to 100% is Forbidden West on the ps5

[green loom]

Only game I've sort of hunted achievements in is

Darktide penances

And uh

Hell Let Loose ones

[heavy bison]

Darktide Pennances and MGSV achievements - both purely for outfit unlocks

[solid valley]

maybe someone in this channel will know
while on gabriel angelos wiki page i found information about him battling chaos on lorn v and I was like wait a second lorn v is the planet from winter assault and i do not remember him being in it, did i miss something (admittedly i did play the game when i was 8)

[plush mason]

i have, 2 times in fact, and enjoyed it

[heavy bison]

Hours of my life I'll never get back XD

[plush mason]

rip

[green loom]

Was it fandom

[plush mason]

lorn v was the world in DOW1

i think winter assault is also on that world but later

[solid valley]

tartarus was the world in dawn of war 1

im sure

no?

or is it on multiple planets

cause it continues with this and im like huh i dont remember this in the game but it seems kind of important

[heavy bison]

Probably a book

[green loom]

"The blood ravens 9th company fought on Lorn V using strange relic predators"

The cited source is imperial armour

[plush mason]

yeah it is

[plush mason]

yeah that all sounds like post campaign stuff

[green loom]

It's apparently from the novels

Lexicanum doesn't list citation

[plush mason]

yeah

[solid valley]

ah

also going back to the game time thing @heavy bison rookie time wasting hours

[green loom]

Hey man I have university and no friends, can only stomach so much

[heavy bison]

To be fair, doesn't count any of the time spent playing MGSV, Elder Scrolls Morrowind, Oblivion and Skryim Modded, Fallout 3 Modded and CoP and Anomaly Modded.

Also thats only my EE hours.

[solid valley]

the darktide hours are inflated cause the game never closes properly

and i fail to notice that

[plush mason]

4k hours on Destiny 2. you poor bastard

[solid valley]

we do a little stockholm syndrome

[green loom]

I just started XIV as a thighlander archer

Destiny is too expensive

[solid valley]

ff14 is a beautiful game imo
story starts pretty slow but i love it

[green loom]

Yeah iirc they made the good expansions free now

[solid valley]

first expansion is free, you can get stormblood for free if you are gonna sub to the game but it currently isnt part of the completely free trial
they are probably gonna add it at fanfest later this year when they announce the next expansion

but the free trial is like over 500 hours of gameplay

which is nuts

[green loom]

Ye

Meanwhile world of warcraft

"give me 80 dollars or go fuck yourself"

15 dollar sub
40 dollar expacs
Expac made free after new one launches
Have to pay for new one again, alongside sub

[solid valley]

wows free trial is a joke

free to level 20

you get there in an hour

have no clue if you even like the game

[plush mason]

yeah true

[solid valley]

wow is kind of cool though i can be a tiny fox boy with nerd emoji voice

[plush mason]

and now you can be a twink dragon person

[odd palm]

Bruh, 858 hours on darktide? How tf do you play this barren field of a game for so long?

[plush mason]

it has more replayability than most horde shooters lol

[odd palm]

Does it?
The atmosphere is good but that's kind it imo

[versed ledge]

Think of quake and doom, but with 40k reskin and weapons

[plush mason]

yeah and that was why i liked it

it was far from a bad game

one of the better 40k games imo

ofc 40k video games are not a very high bar

[plush mason]

it does because its not this weird "never ending campaign" crap that most horde shooters use

which is literally just "rerun the same missions from a list of 10 or so"

[odd palm]

I mean that's just what darktide is.
It has a "campaign" but barely a story to go along side it

[plush mason]

no lol

Darktide is more like DRG on that front

unlike say Aliens fireteam which is like 12 missions that you just rerun over and over again

hell VT2 does the same thing outside of the rogue-lite mode

[storm jungle]

I just play it for the gameplay, its fun.

876 hours and counting

[plush mason]

yeah same

a bit barebones but an enjoyable gameplay loop

i have 311 hours in DT lol

[storm jungle]

Lmao yep

if only there was more content 😔

[plush mason]

yeah

ofc the new map conditions did do a lot for that

still has a ways to go

you know. i wonder how many of the inquisitions documents look more like barcodes than actual documents

likely all of them

[queen laurel]

I wouldn't be mad at the game so much if on the release it didn't tank the fps

Darktide pre-order beta fps was a lot more stable

[signal bramble]

Have they even updated the cash shop recently? I haven’t heard about anything new added since they’ve seemed so focused on QOL issues.

[plush mason]

nope

[signal bramble]

I’m glad. Ignoring that to focus on fixing the game is a good look.

[plush mason]

ye

[thick cedar]

Whats this purple shit?

better shot

[signal bramble]

I believe that’s void shielding.

It’s been depicted that color before.

Not official but a fun watch. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bgi5STRe8E

[versed ledge]

SPAAACE and the warp

[mystic geyser]

@thick cedar surely one of the rejects has told you about the Cicatrix Maledictum by now

[winter ridge]

they guy that produced this basicaly made warhammer plus after he hired boylan

[crimson kayak]

Not to go against anyone, but Dt is very much more Vt2/Other horde shooters than something like helldivers or drg, as you are always running through the same setpieces to complete the same batch of objectives in linear missions, they are just not connected by a story unlike let's say, a left for dead campaign

(gameloop is still good so not judging anyone's hours here, just throwing my 2 cents)

[coarse pumice]

is DRG more like Warframe?

[crimson kayak]

yep

except instead of big events that add 50 new resources to farm we get seasonal content

[coarse pumice]

you know, Warframe is pretty much what an Exarch horde shooter would be like

come to think of it

[crimson kayak]

more phoenix lord than exarch but yeah

[coarse pumice]

normal exarchs used to do this too

it's only when 3rd edition demoted them to sergeants without changing the lore

so the Eldar lieutenant equivalent became just a sergeant

[storm jungle]

The cicatrix maledictum baby

[green loom]

Chaos overspill

[celest dome]

Chaos Stretch marks

[crimson kayak]

The big oopsie

[plush mason]

well seeing as DRG has like 6 biomes with just a few map configurations each it very much becomes a case of just running the same cesspits over and over after a while

ofc it does have a lot more replayability than DT

[crimson kayak]

yeah, just saying that the difference between the games is that DT, like "story heavy" horde shooters has setpieces, and the mission objectives are always the same on these setpieces, meanwhile something less story heavy like drg, helldivers, warframe and such have all missions across all types of maps

[celest dome]

Does Birmingham produce anything of note ? Would it make sense to produce Ogryn knives or something or the sort ?

[plush mason]

it raises regiments and is a space marine recruiting world iirc

so it likely doesnt produce any kit of note as it would be focused producing people to fill those 2

[crimson kayak]

last i recall birmingham was entirely massacred by dark eldar and then was part of a battle between daemons and grey knight

[plush mason]

oof

[crimson kayak]

also it was a really cut off and backward planet, they still used muskets too

[plush mason]

yeah and yet still somehow where raising regiments for the guard and some space marine chapter was using it as a recruiting world lol

[arctic talon]

Perfect lol

[plush mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

The imperium loves stupid recruits

Anyone who doesn’t adapt gets turned into a servitor anyways

[plush mason]

the imperium loves stupid people

it allows their leaders to be stupid as hell and still get away with it

[gloomy citrus]

Does anyone have an idea about these things found on the Traitor Marine armor? Do they serve a purpose besides being a giveaway?

[signal bramble]

Exhaust ports.

Yes really.

[gloomy citrus]

They look vulnerable.

[near wasp]

Thats why theres two

[signal bramble]

…do you think shooting an exhaust port will stop the 9 foot tall corrupted marine charging at you? It isn’t Star Wars where shooting it will make it blow up.

[gloomy citrus]

Wouldn't it make their breathing more difficult?

[signal bramble]

No.

[gloomy citrus]

Not counting the Death Guard or the Emperor's Children, of course.

[plush mason]

i still dont get why the traitor marines have their exhaust ports extended out like that when the loyalist have their flush to the backpack

[gloomy citrus]

Some traitor marines placed skulls there. Fear factor?

[celest dome]

Aren't those exhaust port for their Power armour ? Not for their breathing system ?

[plush mason]

they are yeah

[gloomy citrus]

Wouldn't the result be the same?

[signal bramble]

From my understanding it’s to convey through visuals that they’re in ancient suits of armor that weren’t as efficient or streamlined as later patterns.

[storm jungle]

Basically that yeah

the traitor marine armor is suppose to be more older variants

[versed ledge]

So wait, space marines have exhaust ports for their suits?

[storm jungle]

but its also marketing

[plush mason]

hell isnt their armor nuclear powered? so wouldnt those be cooling intakes and not exhaust vents?

[gloomy citrus]

That would kill anyone but the Salamanders, wouldn't it?

[plush mason]

for their powerpacks yes

[celest dome]

The cooling intake is lower iirc

[signal bramble]

Yes.

[storm jungle]

"sub atomic fusion generator"

and a backup solar power generator

[versed ledge]

So if someone or something destroys or damages that port, they can cook the marine inside, right?

[celest dome]

Not sure which is intake and which is exhaust

[plush mason]

so the fastest way to kill a marine is hit their backpack

[storm jungle]

Possibly

[storm jungle]

also heres a less chaos version of the lanky backpack

its predecessor more or less

[versed ledge]

Fastest way to kill a marine and anyone in 90km circumference

[plush mason]

yup

[signal bramble]

Hard to do unless you can get behind them.

[versed ledge]

Walking nukes....they seem more of liability than a help

[signal bramble]

Power generator explosions rarely happen with marines.

[celest dome]

So the lower thingy are for Power cabling

[signal bramble]

I imagine traitor marines try and leave the marines they kill as intact as possible anyway so they can steal their stuff later.

[plush mason]

yeah

thankfully for them SM helmets are canonically the weakest part of their armor so leaving their kit mostly intact is easy kek

[versed ledge]

You'd think they would have the capabilities to manufacture their own stuff, considering they have an entire hell dimension backing them up

[plush mason]

most of the worlds in said hell dimension dont have any of the stuff needed to make their kit

[celest dome]

And the Dark Mech is very difficult to work with

[plush mason]

yup

[versed ledge]

But resources in said he'll dimension could still be exploited. I mean there's daemon engines that somehow have metal and flesh

[signal bramble]

No.

[versed ledge]

And daemons made of solely metal

[signal bramble]

I have an excerpt for you.

I have spoken of our fleet’s might, but not its poverty. The many daemon-forges that would later answer Abaddon’s calls were still in their infancy within the Empire of the Eye. Our Heresy-era technology was eternally degrading even back then, and we had little to use in place of our losses. Resources like ore-rich moons, shipboard foundries and Mechanicum manufactoria were as precious to us as fresh water: not only agonisingly rare, but also subject to their own sufferings. Legion warbands endlessly plundered such sites in the rabid hunt for shreds and scraps of advantage.

You have heard evidence of this carrion-feeding already. I have told you of Maeleum, of the raids and punishments it endured and of our undignified picking through its carcass. We were all vultures and carrion crows in those days. I believe we still are.

And if we were low on ammunition, if our armour plating was cracked, repaired and cracked again, the truth is that our fleets were in even worse shape. We had been beaten in the Heresy, we had been beaten into exile in the Scouring, and while the Imperium licked its wounds in the aftermath of our disappearance, we had spent that era waging war against one another.

For every vessel enhanced by mutation, another was cursed by it; for every cruiser sailing with admirable repairs or an undamaged hull, another was a shell of its former glory. Within Eyespace, our ships were subject to the erosion of the warp’s touch, accelerating natural degradation, and reliable opportunities to dry-dock and repair a capital ship were staggeringly scarce. In the Eye, especially in that era, a functioning, stable shipyard was practically the stuff of dreams. They were always the highest priority for destruction if another warband wished to grind a rival into dust.

For a time, the newborn Black Legion had claimed and defended Niobia Halo – the shipyard and forge moon belonging to Ceraxia and Valicar. That custodianship had ended when Thagus Daravek led a warhost of Word Bearers and Death Guard to annihilate our docks and plunder the riches we had acquired. The installation was lost in the resulting battle. Afterwards, both Valicar and Ceraxia joined the Ezekarion as fleetmaster and armsmistress respectively.

Many of the vessels we sailed from the Eye into the waiting fire arcs of the Black Templars fleet bore the wounds of ages. The pressures of the storm that had barred our escape only added to the strains already placed on their hulls after centuries of civil war and sailing in the unquiet, poisoned tides of Eyespace. Imperial captains across the millennia often observe that the Traitor Legions and our thrall fleets are comprised of warships plundered from sectors surrounding the Eye. The Gothic Sector alone has supplied us with any number of ships across the many centuries. This is a sad necessity, as our Crusade- and Heresy-era vessels break down beyond sustainability, are lost to the warp’s clutches or are simply destroyed in the ebb and flow of the Long War.

It is for these same reasons that you see our individual warriors equipped with
ancient and unreliable patterns of weaponry, or reduced to using inefficient, outdated wargear. For all the strength that mutation and hatred bestow, erosion, decay and the eternal civil war between the Nine Legions takes more than its share.

We are mighty, but it is a tenuous might. Just as that day, when we outnumbered Sigismund’s armada, our advantage was fragile. We did not have the luxury of carelessness. A great deal of our fleet’s strength was concentrated in the killing power and endurance of the Vengeful Spirit and the other largest ships that once sailed at the vanguard of the Great Crusade. Most were changed significantly by their time in the Eye, and I knew their machine-spirit cores would be as disorientated by their return to real space as any truly living being.

So yeah… I hope that answers your question. The book is called Black Legion.

[versed ledge]

That really begs the question on how they fought Cadia in a full on ground war with high losses

[signal bramble]

The legions were huge and abaddon called all of them that he could along with all the cannon fodder cultists they have.

[versed ledge]

And eventually hurling a Blackstone fortress to crack the planet

Because fighting the imperium ends in attrition

[gloomy citrus]

I wonder why people supported Abby anyway.

[signal bramble]

Unfortunately when it comes to the stories it’s subject to authoritis.

As in there’s always enough enemies to make the story happen.

And they always have enough supplies for the story to happen.

[versed ledge]

And countless worlds, even without enemies, that are just mired in abject misery

Like how a genestealer cult overtook a mechanicus world and preached optimism and hope...

Wait....so genestealer cults normally do that?

[gloomy citrus]

How would a Genestealer cult overtake a Mechanicus world?

[arctic talon]

Same way they normally do

Through the workers

And underhive

Mechanical augmentation does not stop infection

[versed ledge]

Nor does immense cruelty crush the human desire to be free..which in this.case the mechanicus and imperium as a whole shot themselves in their decaying foot,.again

[arctic talon]

They don’t care

Is the funny thing

Even though they should

[gloomy citrus]

I can't comprehend how stupid the people have to be to worship the Genestealers or Nurgle.

[arctic talon]

They get brainwashed

In the genestealer case

For nurgle it’s because they’re absurdly deluded

[gloomy citrus]

Just like Calas.

[plush mason]

everyone in the imperium is dumber than a sack of rocks

[gloomy citrus]

The Imperium is anything but what the Big E wanted.

[plush mason]

"blessed is the mind to small to doubt"= its good to be an idiot

[arctic talon]

Also the good ol

Ignorance is strength

[gloomy citrus]

Well, look where it led the Galaxy.

Horus.

[arctic talon]

Meh

[gloomy citrus]

Lorgar.

[arctic talon]

I get a fun setting

Where humanity sucks

And perpetuates it’s own suffering

[versed ledge]

I don't think it's that complicated or even dumb, genestealer cults depend on their approach, but if a religious group preaches about hope, salvation, love, in a place of immense nonsensical suffering

[arctic talon]

I enjoy it

And I wouldn’t have the imperium any other way

[versed ledge]

Odds are people.are.going to flock to that group

[arctic talon]

Let the imperium be a bunch of evil bastards

[versed ledge]

Because hope is that one lie we all need

[gloomy citrus]

Chaos promises that in a twisted edition.

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-fantasy-kairos-fateweaver-warhammer3-tzeentch-gif-26150136

[versed ledge]

Pretty much, and Nurgle does make the pain go away

[plush mason]

yeah way way to many sci fi settings paint humanity as the good guys so its nice to have one where they are objectively one of the most evil

[arctic talon]

They’re like mid to high tier evil

Big W

[gloomy citrus]

But you become an ugly and rotting piece of shit. Possibly litteraly.

[arctic talon]

Also they made things get worse

Lol

[versed ledge]

Was I that obvious

[arctic talon]

Which is always fun

[arctic talon]

Yes

[gloomy citrus]

"Just as planned."

Tzeentch knows how to fuck people up.

[arctic talon]

My favorite part of total war as archeon is when the advisor tries betraying you and gets mauled to death by a funny bird

[gloomy citrus]

Archaon the Neverchosen.

[versed ledge]

Sort of wonder what Tzeentch truly represents? Change is very abstract

Fate perhaps

[plush mason]

the AI in total war just ruins Archeon

[arctic talon]

yeah

[plush mason]

Archaon the everrunningaway

[signal bramble]

They infected the lowest level menials and just built up their numbers over time.

There’s a lot of empty abandoned space on a forge world and the stealers dug underground.

[arctic talon]

funny thing is

[signal bramble]

Once they rose up they convinced the other mistreated workers that they were going to “free” them.

[arctic talon]

mars is one of few places a genestealer cult can't get a foothold on

mostly since

anywhere they'd hide

is full of abominations

and other horrifying things

[gloomy citrus]

The Mechanicum at its finest.

[signal bramble]

Yeah. The forge world in day of ascension was run by a very incompetent forge master general.

[arctic talon]

But mars is such a shitshow

that like

whole armies disapear in the desert sometimes

or in the catacombs

[gloomy citrus]

A normal day in Cawl's fun house.

[signal bramble]

Yeah but even then they really tried to convey the world in Day was managed managed horribly. Also there was a tech priest working with the stealers not realizing he was being influenced by a psyker.

[arctic talon]

genius

[signal bramble]

But he wasn’t hard to manipulate because he really hated the guy in charge.

For justified reasons.

[arctic talon]

yeah

sounds about right lol

the admech are only a step above the skaven

[gloomy citrus]

What did he expect from the Mechanicum?

[arctic talon]

when it comes to being loyal lol

[gloomy citrus]

Draykavak.

[signal bramble]

The dude was a biologis and the dude in front of the client hated all biologis. When the biologis perfected some kind of medicine that was actually superior to what the imperium was using the overseer destroyed it.

Purely out of spite.

[arctic talon]

Average admech W

[gloomy citrus]

What the fuck.

[arctic talon]

Like I said

the admech love fucking eachother over

they want all the prestiege and glory

[signal bramble]

Yeah.

[arctic talon]

for themselves

if they can't have it, sometimes no one can

[gloomy citrus]

Something tells me that Tzeentch would love a show about the admech.

[arctic talon]

oh he loves them lol

[signal bramble]

The overseer wasn’t a biologis, he just thinks they’re all stupid because why make medicine or help fleshy things when you can just replace everything with machine parts.

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[gloomy citrus]

It's a major flaw.

Same thing with the Iron legions (IV and X).

[signal bramble]

The worst part was he never told the biologis he destroyed it.

[gloomy citrus]

The Biologis need their own brand.

[signal bramble]

Later on when the biologis mentioned how he did something the overseer was like “oh yeah I destroyed it and didn’t tell you lmao.”

[gloomy citrus]

They might actually make a difference that way.

[signal bramble]

So it didn’t make much to manipulate the biologis and turn him against the guy in charge.

Again, rightfully so.

[gloomy citrus]

I get it now.

[signal bramble]

You bully someone enough and sooner or later they’re gonna snap. That’s just how it works.

[gloomy citrus]

It would be wise for someone to fix shit in the Mechanicus.

Is Cawl a compenent candidate for that?

[arctic talon]

HAHAHHAHA

He doesn't want to

He directly benifits from the admech being a shitstorm

[gloomy citrus]

I think that I can understand why.

[arctic talon]

Like

as much of an issue as it is

its how the admech maintains "balance"

[signal bramble]

Also if you were wondering, the bullied tech priest does get his payback and kill the overseer. He blasts him to pieces with a plasma gun. The cult immediately turns on him after the job is finished.

But he deserved to be the one that got the kill.

[arctic talon]

But also

One person can't fix the admechs systametic issues

It needs to be changed from the ground up

[gloomy citrus]

Is there anyone who could do that?

Probably not.

[crimson kayak]

Meanwhile Cawl Inferior

[signal bramble]

I hope they don’t fix it. Correcting the horrific mismanagement of the imperium would ruin the setting!

[arctic talon]

Cawl inferior is totally not an AI

Ignore the fact Cawl inferior directly goes against Cawls desires

[crimson kayak]

"Guilliman, install me into Mars so that I can be fabricator general and totally not pul another men of iron"

[arctic talon]

It constantly asks to be fabricator general

Which is hilarious

[gloomy citrus]

Fixing one problem doesn't make the universe a better place.

[arctic talon]

Mostly since Gman doesn’t want to touch that shit

With a 5 foot long stick

[arctic talon]

If the admech got their shit together the average living quality in the imperium would go up

Which I don’t want

Because it’s funny to see how far humans go

And how weird people try to justify it

[summer rover]

if the admech got their shit together they'd collapse, the whole thing is like 800 heresys disguised as a cult.

[gloomy citrus]

It goes against the Emperor's desires.

[crimson kayak]

If admech got their shit together we could be back at a golden age in less than a millennium lol

[gloomy citrus]

The Imperium would be a better place. Sure, there is Chaos and there are tyranids, but it would be a better place.

[summer rover]

they'd all start attacking each other, then the inquisition would pick of the remainders and the imperium would backslide into a more primiative and hilarious state.

[arctic talon]

I don’t want the average living condition in the imperium to improve

Mostly since I can make fun of weird people who want to LIVE IN THE IMPERIUM

I AM SURE YOU WOULD LOVE WORKING IN A MANUFACOTRUM

[summer rover]

i want the imperium to invade and annex the whole tau empire.

[arctic talon]

The skitarii will not beat you daily

To “encourage” you

[summer rover]

tau players annoy the crap outta me

[crimson kayak]

Oi

[gloomy citrus]

It wouldn't get rid of the T'au R34.

[coarse pumice]

[summer rover]

i mean it's not a beating, it's a gentle pat on the back with a giant hydralic servo arm. takes a few tries to get right.

[arctic talon]

It’s with an arc maul

Gotta love how the skitarii loving blunt force trauma weapons

Is canon

[summer rover]

*smack* "Whoops." *smack* "Whoops." *smack* "Whoops." *smack* "Whoops." *tap* "there we go, good job!"

[gloomy citrus]

If there is a Primarch that could fix shit (other then G-man), it's Jaghatai.

[crimson kayak]

I mean, when even your swords starts to having incorporated explosions, everything is a blunt force trauma weapon

[summer rover]

i'm going with russ, because the whole imperium needs a good fucking up, and lemus russ knows how to fuck you up.

[gloomy citrus]

He's the reason the Heresy turned out the way it did.

[summer rover]

it's not russ' fault everyone else is an idiot and he's a troll.

[gloomy citrus]

He didn't kill Horus when he had the chance.

[summer rover]

i mean sure he could have prevented it, but at the cost so so many good fights and jokes at other's expense.

[dusk patrol]

Relatable

I mean uh

How awful

[crisp heath]

Russ devoted all his energy to killing Magnus, met him face to face like 3 times and only made him more dangerous

[summer rover]

plot armor did that.

[gloomy citrus]

Didn't he get one of his hearts pierced by Magnus?

[crisp heath]

Tbf tho Russ is the only himbo primarch

[summer rover]

i mean they're all kinda himbos. say what you will, but the emperor was pretty determined to make himself an army of deadly himbos.

[gloomy citrus]

He made Lorgar, though.

[summer rover]

gross himbo

[gloomy citrus]

Oh, and Russ likely had a hand in the fate of the II and XI Primarchs.

[dusk patrol]

Not as cool of a thing when they all have two

[gloomy citrus]

Unfortunately, he has two.

Yeah.

[crisp heath]

RUSS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO FULFILLS THE ENTIRETY OF THE TRINITY

[gloomy citrus]

He's a bushman.

Why does he have tanks named after him?

[plush mason]

because he found the STC

[summer rover]

and said "dibs".

[plush mason]

yup

[gloomy citrus]

If there's a Primarch deserving a tank named after him, its either Dorn or Perty.

Or maybe Ferrus.

[summer rover]

shoulda found more STCs, then shouldn't they?

[storm jungle]

Dorn already has a stupid tank

best you are getting

[gloomy citrus]

He does?

[arctic talon]

The rogal dorn tank

[summer rover]

it's like a lemus russ, but bigger and shittier

[gloomy citrus]

Yeah, a Leman on steroids.

[summer rover]

also it doesn't look as cool.

[coarse pumice]

it's a bit softer looking

[gloomy citrus]

But the Primarch it was named after is.

[coarse pumice]

what does it look like hatches down?

[plush mason]

is the minigun really needed or even in a spot to be effective?

[arctic talon]

https://i0.wp.com/www.goonhammer.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/IMG_0476-scaled.jpg?w=460&h=345&ssl=1

[plush mason]

also

is the guy on the heavy stubber OUTSIDE the turret?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Classic imperium

[plush mason]

what happens when they rotate the turret?

[arctic talon]

They get a little platform

To stand on

That’s connected to the turret

[summer rover]

dude has to cling to the turret like a kowala to avoid being thrown into the dirt

[gloomy citrus]

[arctic talon]

Like I said classic imperium

[plush mason]

it has 6 stubbers a heavy stubber and minigun

not counting the coax stubber

[summer rover]

and all of them placed to compromise the armor

[plush mason]

yup

[arctic talon]

I think they’re actually meltas

[arctic talon]

It’s 6 melta guns

On that mini

[plush mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

So

It’s the armor fucker 9000

Lol

Tbh

The rogal dorn isn’t any sillier then the Russ imo

But I like the Russ more

[summer rover]

meltas are terrible on tanks because getting into melta range requires making yourself an easy target for 98% of anti-tank stuff for a couple turns first, so good jerb GW

[coarse pumice]

it reminds me of interwar tanks

[arctic talon]

Tbh it’s prolly for melting marines lol

Or heavy infantry

That gets too close

Also you can literally take meltas on the Russ

So I think it’s a moot argument

[coarse pumice]

you know

chimeras had firing slots

[arctic talon]

Considering the Dorn can glue heavy bolters on

Or a stubber

[coarse pumice]

and you could poke meltaguns out of them

more meltaguns

[arctic talon]

Instead of the meltas

[coarse pumice]

[storm jungle]

Im pretty sure its almost a diet baneblade

[arctic talon]

Shoving heavy weapons teams into a storm lord

[coarse pumice]

or did they rule that you could only fire lasguns from it?

[arctic talon]

It is

[storm jungle]

look at the gunner's size on the hatch

[arctic talon]

Nowadays it’s got its own special rules

Called lasgun array

It’s 24 lasgun shots

In rapid fire range

Or 12

[coarse pumice]

ah, so no longer just holes you could shoot out of lol

[plush mason]

the meltas on vehicles have much greater range iirc. because they are bigger and have more powerful powercores

[storm jungle]

Also I forgot someone made this edit

based-stealers strike again

[coarse pumice]

do vehicles have fire arcs anymore?

[arctic talon]

They do

[coarse pumice]

ok

[arctic talon]

But if you have a turret

That one doesn’t have arcs

Bcs it can turn

Big suprise

[coarse pumice]

i assume for the lasguns on the chimera, it's 6 lasguns each side then

[arctic talon]

Yeah

It’s fun

Biggest issue with the dorn

[celest dome]

I really wish Necromunda really got some more tank rules

[arctic talon]

Is big vehicles suck

99% of the time

Why take 3 dorns

When you can take 9 Russ’s

[coarse pumice]

I always had a soft spot for the trireme wave serpent

but I never had one of these

[summer rover]

they need to go back to that

[coarse pumice]

the earliest one I have was the forgeworld falcon->wave serpent conversion kit

[coarse pumice]

I know right?

I kind of think the earlier eldar designs were more intimidating

[celest dome]

Eldar whacky stuff was the best stuff

[arctic talon]

Kandras has not aged well lol

[coarse pumice]

dakka will come out of his face

my karandras is probably my best painted phoenix lord because I got him last

[signal bramble]

Some of those sculpts are older than the newer warhammer fans I've met.

[arctic talon]

Eldar are suffering lol

There’s a good chance GW already has a bunch of sculpts done for them

But they’re drip feeding them

[storm jungle]

Deffo this

the "big eldar" update was just uhhh

like 5 models

HALF OF THE ASPECT WARRIORS DIDNT EVEN GET UPDATED

[signal bramble]

The only reason I started guard was because of the new sculpts tbh. Otherwise I would have stuck with the votann.

[arctic talon]

He’s from 1993 lol

[coarse pumice]

I have some warlocks that are even older iirc

like the lasgun warlock

laspistol even

[signal bramble]

30 years old. lol

[storm jungle]

Lexicanum has uhhh

year system for every faction's mini release

[arctic talon]

The Kandras mini can legally drink

Same with like

The rest of the unupdated aspect warriors

[storm jungle]

Time to take a looksie i think

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Eldar

lets see here

AUGHHHHHHHHH-

[arctic talon]

It’s literally just the aspect warriors and their phoenix lords now

GW is so fucking close

To updating all the shitty eldar minis

[storm jungle]

You gotta admit tho

for an 1998 mini

the vehicles hold up surprisingly well

minus the playdough pilots

[coarse pumice]

hmm