40k-lore-chat

[copper patrol]

who does he have his side chick on his back

[signal bramble]

Yes.

[crisp heath]

The game developers said that the first game was supposed to exist in an alternate timeline than the main 40k story

[crimson kayak]

looks identical to the original lol

[green loom]

EC Baneblade complete with Waifu tank commander

[signal bramble]

There are third party models that look better than GW stuff.

[signal bramble]

Nah the face is different and shaped different.

I have belakor in my collection and it’s definitely different.

[green loom]

[crimson kayak]

i have it too, but i should go and take it out to check

[green loom]

Who wants to see the Avatar of Slaanesh

[crimson kayak]

eh, i mean, it's all being a bit too connected to the nids and ench the new edition imo to just be left alone like this

so i think they'll pull a soft reboot

mostly because all the chaos resistance shit he had in the first one would be moot in this one

and also the ending of the first

[versed ledge]

Hey it's Camilla from fire emblem fates/if

[green loom]

I knew it was a Fire Emblem character

Wasn't sure but the style looked right

[copper patrol]

show

I am curious how bad it is

[versed ledge]

Yeah, I'm gonna play unification mod again, Slaanesh is fun

[green loom]

Here's their biggest unit

Now it's not exclusively EC, since iirc the guy does stuff for other factions

[copper patrol]

how horny is it

[green loom]

Well the worst it gets for Sisters is probably Pious Vorne

[crimson kayak]

oh btw, necromunda just made mechanicus Ironstriders moot tech

[green loom]

Who is just

A lady

In a Latex catsuit

With a flamethrower

[copper patrol]

[crisp heath]

Hate that I really love noise marines but that they're always hanging out with harlots

[green loom]

I mean they have jetbikes and hover tech etc. etc. because Van Saar are selling random advanced tech to everyone

So they have a good amount of exotic tech that's just.... there

[celest dome]

I saw them as low tech Sentinels rather than Low tech mech Chicken

[crimson kayak]

and the enforcers just got battle automata

but atleast they get an excuse for them and gave them human brains unlike mechanicus ones who still work on floppy disks

[green loom]

3 guesses who they got them from

[crimson kayak]

wich is funny because it actually makes this automata a better dreadnought

[arctic talon]

are the human brains servitors

or like

brain brains

[crimson kayak]

technically brain brains

as they are volunteers

extremely psycho indoctrinated and loyal volunteers, but that's standard Enforcer life after all

hell

the announce post itself calls it "An Ogryn Sized Dreadnought"

but they are considered "semi-sentient"

so i guess at the same level of the med servitor... but armed to the teeth and with evil robocop brain

[open pumice]

and givena machine spirit

thats one of the big ones

unlike servitors, admech tech gets machine spirits

so the donated brain becomes a cogitator (think: cpu) and then is reinforced by a machine spirit

which is totally not A.I. we swear we promise

[arctic talon]

(It might be lmao)

It might not

It depends

But the admech will never admit to that

[open pumice]

noooooo

its a spirit!!!!!1!!11

I like the diea that since the men of iron, the admech have reveared tech so much that denisens of the warp have become like artificial intelligence

making machine spirits a bastardization of both an a.i. and a actual spirit

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/567504633258311710/1089737258120265728/crcdnr3cqtb81.png

Tbh the funniest thing is

That some machine spirits are the psychic imprints of their past users

[open pumice]

ye

[open pumice]

No you have to understand it's the omnisiah's bounty! (gets gause flayered)

[arctic talon]

I don’t know who drew the soyjak tech priests

But it’s beautiful tbh

[crimson kayak]

nope, these ones apparently are just brains, as they specifically select hyper-loyal individual and then proceed to indoctrinate them even more so that all there is is The Law

[open pumice]

Still opperates as a cogitator, cogitator is kinda the catch all term for any thinking component in a machine

[crimson kayak]

yeah but they are more dreadnought than actual battle automata, as those are operated by command disks no matter what cogitator they use

or else datasmiths would be useless

in fact, automata and dreads are said to be identical in construction if not for the fact the automata cortex is only able to receive simple commands while well, a dread is stuffed with an human

(with the exception of Itinerant Kastelan but those are basically ai)

[open pumice]

true

[open pumice]

shhhh

[versed ledge]

So wait, what's in a cogitator then? Heck even the server colonies in Darktide...

[open pumice]

also true

[open pumice]

b r a i n

yoru rbain, your friends brian, your brothers brain

[versed ledge]

We're carrying gray matter in computers in 40k

[open pumice]

all in the funny servitor farm

[open pumice]

yes

anything that has to perform complex calculations has a cogitator

which is usually

brain

[versed ledge]

Can it run Doom Khorne edition

[open pumice]

Most probably

[versed ledge]

Wetware is best ware, and with xenoware cogitators and mechanicus GPUs

[open pumice]

xenos filth?

on my battle barge?

[celest dome]

The only Xenos Servitor that I know of is the one with the White Dwarf Tech Priest Mini

[crimson kayak]

either brain or robo brain

[crisp heath]

Here's a conundrum for you: would a servitorized tyranid be mindless or would the hive mind still be able to control it?

[copper patrol]

I thought cogitators are just like

regular computers

[crisp heath]

I would love a short story where a heretek tries to make tyranid servitors to up the supply, ends up accidentally making an army of cyborg nids

[crimson kayak]

that too

[open pumice]

tyranid servitors would likely be mindless

as all fo the parts not rwquired for functioning and computation in the brain are removed

[open pumice]

cogitator is the catch all term

generally refering to servitorized items

but not always

[crimson kayak]

i mean, after all what's our brain if not big bio computer

[crisp heath]

A twist on that would be if we still take the Xenology tyranids to be canon

Since then the tyranid would have 2 brains, and one of them probably wouldn't be messed with because the Mechanicus doesn't really pay attention to stuff like that

We also know that synapse creatures can still act as a conduit even if the brain is destroyed and have multiple synapse points throughout their body

[celest dome]

Depend on whether it still has its Synaps

[near wasp]

Heretics the lot of you, spitting in the face of the machine god by trying to cut corners and not use the mostly perfect human form as a base

[summer rover]

there's no machine god, you just didn't read the damn manual correctly.

[celest dome]

The Machine God is a Plato's Cave allegory

[summer rover]

nobody in the adeptus mechanicus understands allegories though.

[near wasp]

They at least understand that passing a wrench while working on a machine is a bonding experaince

[versed ledge]

Cloud based wetware hivemind

[rose thorn]

"oh yeah cities of sigmar exist, i probably wont find anything i like since its all basic fantasy stuff"

wild rider

I LOVE THEM

[crimson kayak]

Wait... Are cities of sigmar basically a ordertide mush list?

[copper patrol]

it's all the old stuff iirc

so like all the old empire stuff, some elf stuff and dwarf stuff

[celest dome]

That what they were at the start. Just a mish mash of the Old World units

Now i think they've been trying to give it it's own identity too

[rose thorn]

yea its 'i want to be able to use my old units form fantasy :<' army

[green loom]

YES

[crisp heath]

Wood elves are fucking great

Hate eldar, love elves

Nighthaunt are amazing too

[arctic talon]

Cities of sigmar are ordertide soup with a bunch of new AoS only stuff coming out

[celest dome]

It's supposed to develop into its own thing, with the Fantasy game units being sent to different factions when they exist

[arctic talon]

Tbh

The new cities of sigmar minis they showed off are cool

Especially since it looks like they’re splitting cities of sigmar into like human, dwarf and elf subfactions

[crisp heath]

Is it possible to play wood elves and undead together in AoS? Whether or not I get into it for realz is based entirely on this answer

[arctic talon]

Potentially

[copper patrol]

define play them together

[arctic talon]

^

[crisp heath]

1 army with units from each

[arctic talon]

In a competitive environment

Or like

With friends

[crisp heath]

No, just is it allowable

[arctic talon]

It is allowable raw technically

[crisp heath]

As RAW

[arctic talon]

But you fuck up a lot of rules

Since they have order/death grand alliance

Stuff

That turns off if they aren’t pure order/death

TLDR yes you can but it’s gona suck

[crisp heath]

Could wood elves painted to look undead be reasonable stand ins for existing units?

[arctic talon]

Yes

If you wanted

[celest dome]

Kitbashing Undead with Elf unit is allowed

[crisp heath]

I want zombie deer, rotting wood and wandering souls god fuck it

[arctic talon]

^

Kitbashing is encouraged

[celest dome]

As long as its clear what it's supposed to be

[arctic talon]

Tbh

You can have unclear shit

As long as you don’t have 2 proxies

[crisp heath]

I might get into AoS then

[arctic talon]

For dif things

That look the same

[copper patrol]

tbh as long as you aren't like

being cringe with it

you can kinda do what you want on that end

[celest dome]

Maybe take a look at thr Sylvaneth, someone did do an undead/ghost army with them

[arctic talon]

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120204017_DrycaHamadreth01.jpg

They def have that ghost feel

For some of their units

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120204033_SYLVanguard01.jpg

[crisp heath]

I'm not buying a blood bowl team until I can find a good Akhorne either T-T

[plush mason]

wtf is that?

[copper patrol]

drycha

[arctic talon]

Sylvaneth named character

[plush mason]

the same Drycha from fantasy?

[arctic talon]

Heavily implied

[plush mason]

does she still hate the woodelves?

[celest dome]

Technically, maybe yes

[arctic talon]

She hates everyone now

But yes

She does

[plush mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

She’s only really order aligned in name lol

She pretty much runs around the realms massacring people

[celest dome]

As she was in the Fantasy battle

[plush mason]

yup

[arctic talon]

Yep

except she also kills people she’s fighting alongside now

A lot more frequently

[celest dome]

Didn't she do that in Fantasy too ?

[arctic talon]

Which isn’t a big deal for the sylvaneth since they can be reborn

Sort of

Yeah

But she’s a lot more

Destructive now

I guess lol

[green loom]

I thought Drycha was a dryad or whatever and hated elves
Why does she have a ghost elfbody

[plush mason]

she still serve whats his name? or is she just doing her own thing in AOS?

[arctic talon]

She’s off doing her own thing(murdering everything)

[nocturne crest]

Quick question, but do Gue'vesa use their old imperium gear or do they get all the T'au goodies as a welcome package for the greater good?

[celest dome]

Because Dryads look like that

[plush mason]

is evil treebeard even in AOS or no?

[arctic talon]

She was reborn as a sylvaneth because allariel needed a distraction

[celest dome]

Ariel ?

[arctic talon]

They get Tau gear

But they still do use their own equipment

[plush mason]

no Drycha's boss in fantasy

[arctic talon]

Not sure

[nocturne crest]

So that would also include T'au vehicles then or is there the chance of a Leman Russ covered in Missile pods?

[arctic talon]

There is a high chance of a lemen russ covered in missile pods

The tau won’t replace all their gear

But they’ll replace whatever’s easy to do

Body armor, basic guns

That sort of stuff

[plush mason]

leman russ with a railgun 😛

[arctic talon]

Lol

[celest dome]

Coedil, can't find anything about him on the internet
For AoS

[arctic talon]

I’d assume he’s dead until mentioned then

[plush mason]

get one shot and the damn thing's electrical system just explodes

[nocturne crest]

Leman Russ Punisher, but it's a Heavy Rail Rifle instead of the Gatling cannon.

[arctic talon]

Wouldn’t be the first time a dead fantasy character pops up

Kroak

[celest dome]

He did get killed by that other Treeman

But like Drycha get beheaded at the same time iirc

[arctic talon]

Tbh I’d assume his soul is floating around

But allariel didn’t replant it

[celest dome]

True, fridged till GW require it

[arctic talon]

Mostly since drycha was a fuck it I need to distract everyone else

[plush mason]

why would she? he was not exactly someone she liked or could control

[celest dome]

Drycha was the most powerful Dryad

[arctic talon]

Yeah there’s no point in her doing so

~~Drycha might as well worship khorne with how much she enjoys killing ~~

[celest dome]

Could have the seed pods be stolen or something

[arctic talon]

Maybe

But I don’t think anyone in order o would want that

Then again

It’s up to GW lol

Considering their second favorite thing in AOS is order fighting each other

[celest dome]

Doesn't mean it's someone from Order that would steal the seeds

[celest dome]

What's their 1st ?

[arctic talon]

Selling stormcast

[celest dome]

Unlike in 40k where it's selling SM Lieutenants

[arctic talon]

Lol

In AoS it’s more like elves getting an equal attention cake

With how many dif elf factions there are

[celest dome]

Cow Elf
Snake Elf
Fish Elf
City Elf (Dark/Wood/High)
What else ?

[copper patrol]

there any chaos elves in one of the spin off games

[arctic talon]

Yeah

There’s chaos elf warbands

[plush mason]

cow elf?

[arctic talon]

Lumineth

[copper patrol]

lumineth

[arctic talon]

Sylvaneth are technically tree elves

[celest dome]

Really, I'll have to check those Chaos Elf

[copper patrol]

it's more like cow, hawk, fox elves

for the lumineth

[celest dome]

Was hesitating on counting them up

[arctic talon]

Tbh they’re revived elves

Sort of

Not all of them

The chaos elf minis are mostly in warcry

[plush mason]

like for their mounts or are they like part animal?

[copper patrol]

1 sec

[celest dome]

Which one are the Chaos Elf warband ?

[copper patrol]

you got these guys (the cow ones)

[arctic talon]

Uhhh give me a moment they show up in a lot of them randomly

[celest dome]

There are Khainite Shadowstalker available but they aren't really Chaos

[arctic talon]

https://preview.redd.it/ab0ytjr3alx21.jpg?auto=webp&s=c4ec29cc7d48e0b318b9e3451f91cb5077fb659b

These ones

[plush mason]

tbh they look like high elves to me

[copper patrol]

guess not fox but idk what this is

[arctic talon]

Splintered fang

[copper patrol]

they have a lot of imagery for cows and some other animals basically

[plush mason]

deer of some kind

or goat

[copper patrol]

cuase you also have this guy

they went with like

a lot of mountain stuff

with the lumineth

stone, wind and light

are kinda thier deal iirc

oh and crack

[celest dome]

It make sense when looking at the lore of Hysh

Well for the Light and stone stuff

[copper patrol]

can't forget that they do crack

but it's depression crack

[plush mason]

?

[copper patrol]

I am not even joking

[plush mason]

wtf is it with GW and making elves drug addicts?

[copper patrol]

they do some kind of drug thing that makes you really effective or something

but also makes you depressed

there is an entire hero that's whole point is to make other elves less depressed I think

[near wasp]

Does depression stack?

[copper patrol]

good question

[celest dome]

If they come from different sources

[copper patrol]

The Scinari Cathallar is the single point of darkness in the shining host of their fellow Lumineth. They take the emotional trauma of their kin and weaponise it, unleashing this torment at the foe to render them crippled by angst and despair.

they have weaponised depression

[plush mason]

imagine that being a game rule for that drug, you can just stack the effect but if you go to high the unit just offs itself from the depression lmao

[near wasp]

Oh so depression is a buff, then it prolly doesnt stack

[copper patrol]

the thing that cuases them to be depressed is a buff

but idk the exact details on it

[rose thorn]

oh hey its the lady of the lake

[copper patrol]

it's called aetherquartz

[near wasp]

[plush mason]

so they have weaponized being an edgy teenager. kek

[copper patrol]

so the crystal literally absorbs "distracting emotions" when it buffs you

so it removes caution, happiness, compassion etc

"the Lumineth created the caste of Scinari Cathallars to safetly dispose used aetherquatz as otherwise it tears at the fabric of reality attracting Slaaneshi Daemons. Poor disposal could also result in disastrous consequences such as the Pit of Cathartia a landfill of spent aetherquartz that imploded and replaced the city that once stood there with a pit of shadow that paralyses those near it with overwhelming sorrow."

what the fuck

too much crack summons daemons

[near wasp]

That happens in 40k too though

[celest dome]

Deamon of the Chaos God of Crack even

[near wasp]

The chaos god of crack is the junkie hounding you for pennies at a 7/11 at 2am

[storm jungle]

look all ill say is

theres a reason I call them Lumineth Methlords

or just Lumimeth Realmlords

whichever you prefer

"Mr. Teclis we gotta cook some more aetherquartz."

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

[copper patrol]

"Tyrion, We need to cook"

[storm jungle]

I like them though, cool guys

MINUS THE COWS

[copper patrol]

I don't like their hats

a bit too silly for my liking

or the wrong kind of silly for me

[storm jungle]

elves had penishelms in warhammer since the dawn of time so alas

tho the fantasy/eldar ones pull it off fine since they arent overly decorated

[copper patrol]

need me chaos dwaves to come back in model form

[storm jungle]

Soon

[copper patrol]

the superior silly hats

[plush mason]

elven helmets are greek for some strange reason

[storm jungle]

Its one of the inspirations yeah

[plush mason]

and their shields come from a pop circle i guess

[storm jungle]

Lumineth are very hoplite in that regard

https://tenor.com/view/phalanx-gif-21949743

[celest dome]

High Elf are British empire and Atlantis at the same time

[coarse pumice]

drycha has grown

her original model

[celest dome]

She went to the Gym

[coarse pumice]

high/dark elves are probably based on melniborneans

[plush mason]

on what?

[storm jungle]

Melniboneans

aka dark high elves by Michael Moorcock

the inspiration behind the dark elves in warhammer

[copper patrol]

melborne

[storm jungle]

[coarse pumice]

Citadel apparently made some Melnibonean infantry

[storm jungle]

Yep thats them alright

[plush mason]

so they are dragonkin

neat

yeah the dark elves are basically a rip off of them

[storm jungle]

yeah pretty much

tho thats a new comic produced in the late 2000's

but even in the 90's they wer ebasically Dark Elves with High Elf culture

also worshipped chaos deities

GW basically entirely lifted that from Michael Moorcock's works

[plush mason]

hell the one in the front looks almost exactly like an executioner

[storm jungle]

hes also the guy that made the chaos symbol

but its public domain, its how GW always uses it themselves

[plush mason]

wow

[storm jungle]

yeah its funny

[rose thorn]

wait does that model even have rules anymore

[plush mason]

ofc GW is British so why would they not take stuff from somewhere else whenever they can? 😛

[rose thorn]

branchwitch

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

[coarse pumice]

probably not, the game might not have even been GW, or they were just made for some other ruleset

[rose thorn]

she is in sylventh

but i heard she got scrapped in the new book

wait no

its theuhh

branchwraith yeahhh

YEAH SHE JUST GOT RETIRED

WHY IS SHE STILL FOR SALE

okay stupid question didnt cities of sigmar have a leader on horse back

[coarse pumice]

sorry, I thought you quoted the Melniboneans; for Drycha, I don't know if there's a normal branchwraith character now; her named one is superceded by the Age of Sigma large model, but if branchwraiths still exist, she was the only model for them so you would use her as a generic one at the time anyway being the only model that existed

as for Moorcock, his books inspired Diamond Head and this album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fPl4ZVkSfc

I think this track too, was about Elric I think

diamond head were a big influence on metallica, so the entire soundscape of heavy metal since was influenced by these proto-dark elves

[unborn sapphire]

Every time I see her glass I can't help but see this gif

https://tenor.com/view/just-one-glass-gif-24965949

[thick cedar]

Say the emperor somehow returns. What would change overall?

[coarse pumice]

he already has; he talks to a random nobody psyker in the moebian sector who works for an inquisitor there, who refers to him as beloved

[storm jungle]

Thats an incredibly broad question to ask

it entirely depends on if he either hates the current Imperium or wants to preserve it somehow

[crimson kayak]

"as long as you are gonna pay"

[arctic talon]

You’re allowed to use 3d printed parts lol

[plush mason]

a friend of mine recently read an exert of Gilliman's meeting with Big E and from that i learned that the emperor just flat out does not care about the imperium or humanity. "i knew my dream had died" he said when talking about Horus' betrayal

[storm jungle]

Yeah the Emperor himself has said the Imperium is basically going to fall and is only "raging against the dying of the light"

[plush mason]

yup

[storm jungle]

that perspective may have changed over the years but hes basically not the same guy anymore

Guilliman talks with like

10-20 fractured voices at once

[plush mason]

yup

[dusky wraith]

I know about Tuskar Kaemonkilla this is moreso a silly question, does ork blood count as real blood to Hkorne? It's kinda not really blood its like fungus juice that does blood things so does it instead just power Gork and Mork? The answer's probably probably both but it's Ork logic just roll with it. I imagine this as a meme conversation between two oddly coherent world eaters of course.

[plush mason]

afaik the gods dont really care about the orks. tho Khorne loves them for their violence and love of combat

[dusky wraith]

Yeah they've got their own thing and Khorne gave one basically ork heaven

im watching a world eater video and the thought randomly came into my head as an actual conversation with someone talking to khorne like "You want us to go after these orks? Does their blood flowing even empower you?" like i said very coherent for a world eater

[dusky wraith]

big e reviving gulliman and burning nurgle's shit up sounds like a perspective change to me but yeah and you cant blame the emperor for giving up imagine living on a pain engine keeping you alive for 10 thousand years as your soul shatters further and further like a never ending baaaad acid trip

you cant be blamed for being pretty hopeless after that

[vale shuttle]

when things that aren't Orks fight Orks khorne likes it, but i believe Orks fighting Orks doesn't feed khorne because all the emotion juice from Orks is drunk by the Ork gods

so when something that isn't an ork fights an ork khorne feeds on the non orky violence

[plush mason]

tbh the convo makes it sound like big e gave up the moment Horus fell to chaos

that at that moment he knew his sons had failed him

iirc he literally says they failed him and that pisses Gulliman off

[dusky wraith]

im kinda reaching for what i feel is bad writing (if anything he'd have given up after magnus broke the webway) i imagine the literal shattering of his conciousness divides into resentment and "love" for them

otherwise it doesnt add up in my head but i dont know

[plush mason]

the exert i read did not make the emperor sounds confused or disjointed. in fact he sounded totally sane aside from the fact he was speaking in many voices

in fact he never once says anything about loving them. he says they where never his sons and where always tools to him

they where to be the example to which all humans aspire but they all failed to overcome their own petty wants

[plush mason]

that again is just because all big e wants is to kill chaos

so he just revived guilliman so he could keep on fighting

hell the more i look into it the more that whole "shattered consciousness" stuff looks less like actual lore and more like fancon/coping

the emperor seems to be completely coherent and focused on his one goal which is the destruction of chaos at any costs

not something a being with a billion different personalities is going to be

[thick cedar]

If Psykers become the majority of mankind, would this be an overall good or bad thing or somewhere in between?

[queen laurel]

If more of humanity become psykers we would have a easier time producing grey knights

And also of course a lot more demonic accidents

Those are the two main things that i see

[summer rover]

it would be both extremes at once.

also probably lead to the creation of more primarus marines. everything else does.

[midnight ore]

all the chapters would have more librarians

cept templars

grey knights wouldnt balance the daemonic incursions because not many actually become grey knights

so humanity would suffer

[plush mason]

worse than it currently is*

but

more psykers also means more SoB that can do acts of faith

as said acts have flat out been confirmed to just be psyker powers

[celest dome]

Are the Act of Faith technically Psyker based ?

Or is it the same thing as the Divine/Wind magic

Where both are based on the Winds but one doesn't require being Magically attuned

As you channel magic via something/one

[little gust]

Hello everyone, I am not sure if its been covered, but do the Grey knights get Primaris reinforcements? and the new terminator chassis?

[green loom]

Blood is blood, don't think about it too hard
The authors didn't, you shouldn't

[green loom]

There's no new terminator chassis, it's the old one with an updated model
No primaris GK as far as we know yet

[green loom]

Sorcery but not chaos

[little gust]

Oof, also ah ok

[green loom]

Also love how the question about the entire human race becoming psykers only led to marine discourse

[little gust]

the Council of Nakari still around? or has that been gone/disbanded/wiped out?

[green loom]

Marines wouldn't be as prominent, a lot of people will go violently crazy, and more will blow their own heads up by accident
But if they managed to gather up, organize and train themselves
You'd get a pretty dangerous force that'd still be hilariously vulnerable to chaos stuff since they just lack the mental/emotional discipline the Eldar have

[green loom]

You mean the Council of Nikaea?

[little gust]

yes, sorry about that

[celest dome]

So doesn't need to have Psykers ?

[green loom]

No it got thrown out in the heresy after the loyalist were being battered to shit by heretic sorcery and daemons

[green loom]

Doesn't look it to me, it feels the same as monogod priest units in like AoS and stuff

Also the Pylons don't work on it

[celest dome]

The pylons worked on the Psykers iirc

[green loom]

But specifically not on sisters if I recall

[celest dome]

And Monogod priest are supposed to be in the Sorcery

Category

[green loom]

So imo it might just be loyalist sorcery

Accidental maybe

But sorcery

[celest dome]

Yes, so doesn't need Psykers

[green loom]

Thought that was already established

[celest dome]

I just woke up, might have missread something

[midnight ore]

ok now let me hear your opinion

is Celestine an imperial greater daemon

[celest dome]

The Emperor is a net loss to Mankind

[midnight ore]

ok mr truth bomb

[celest dome]

That's my main opinion

[green loom]

Celestine and the other Saints seem to function not unlike Daemon Princes

[celest dome]

And Celestine is acting more like a Greater Daemon but it could be closer to think of them as Daemon Princes

[green loom]

Yeah just on the part where they ascend from mortals

And also they have an easy time staying in Realspace

[celest dome]

Could also be a parasitic Daemon that possess human

Saint Sabbath could point toward that as it reincarnated as a little girl iirc

[midnight ore]

The emperor seems to have a handle on it tho

[celest dome]

Debatable

[vale shuttle]

the emperor doesn't have a handle on much of anything anymore, and i haven't seen anything that makes me think he has strong control over the saints

[green loom]

Yeah even they mostly work on like

Visions and such

[heavy bison]

I believe the Pylons did weaken Celestine still.

[green loom]

Weakened, but not straight up banished like daemons

She's also less faith and more warpy

But in the Nexus iirc it was Sisters doing most of the holdouts since Faith BS let them resist the pylons

[thick cedar]

Why isnt there a god of chaos dedicated to giving you a good ol lickin

And i dont mean in a lewd way

Like a dog lickin

Gives you a lick

Like this

licc

Then its gone

[midnight ore]

only a matter of time before we diggy diggy hole into the throne room and use the emperor to make some really nice psyker kin

(rock and stone)

[heavy bison]

I've always assumed the SoB faith powers was simmilar to the energy of an Orcish Waaagh.

[thick cedar]

How was humanity not wiped out during the age of strife

Or was it because everyone got fucked up

[green loom]

It's definitely more along the lines of not-as-fucked-up chaos stuff

[heavy bison]

Yeah, though alot of saints seem to have been psykers of some manner before sainthood.

[celest dome]

I'd assume one of the Slaaneshi Daemon has that as it's aspect, or maybe a Khornate ones, they have dogs and usually have their tongue out

[green loom]

Wouldn't be surprised if E money had a preference/more influence on even just latent psykers

[heavy bison]

Bloodgors ftw.

[vale shuttle]

Dog of Chaos

[vale shuttle]

cause there was a lot of humans, and total eradication is really hard for a species that's interstellar

[midnight ore]

Ironkin full unit when

[celest dome]

For the Votaan ?

[green loom]

Aren't they considered on the same level as non-machine kin

[midnight ore]

yeah

they are actively good at social interaction which is funny

I love ironkin

[green loom]

I really dig(heh) the Votaan infantry designs

[vocal drum]

thoughts?

would the average necron warrior beat a T-1000?

right?

far better weapons

[midnight ore]

yeah I just finished building some hearthkyn

[midnight ore]

yeah I think so

[green loom]

I think the average lobotomite would beat the average 40k fan in an IQ test

[celest dome]

a T1000 absolutely yes

[vocal drum]

how strong is the "average" necron warrior

[green loom]

Stronger than you

[midnight ore]

doesn’t matter

[vocal drum]

even a terminator?

[midnight ore]

all it takes is one shot from that gun

[vocal drum]

their guauss weapons?

[midnight ore]

and the warrior can’t really die either

[midnight ore]

ye

[vale shuttle]

would blorbo be able to be grimbler in a fight, assuming blorbo had 13.821 cheese rolls and grimbler had an arbitrarily large number of pencils

[green loom]

Actually gimbler only needs one pencil to fight blorbo, because shrimblur is stronger than blorbo and gimbler beat him without any 🤓

[storm jungle]

Your average necron warrior can fight with a space marine so

https://tenor.com/view/floor7-f7-hypixel-skyblock-gif-26388125

[copper patrol]

the fight of the century

[storm jungle]

get em

[green loom]

Me when VS "debate"

[crimson kayak]

Wait, ill get back the sequel to this

[green loom]

And can probably briefly duel a custodes

[crimson kayak]

Truly the Hero Of The Imperium

[vale shuttle]

for some reason nerd fandoms, 40k has it really bad but nerd fandoms in general, love to get down into extremely literal discussions and hypotheticals like they're studying for a history exam

wait haven't i said this before? fuck we're repeating

[storm jungle]

40k fans are more combative in this sense because they think its the pinnacle of sci-fi lol

[vale shuttle]

omfg you're so right

[storm jungle]

Because the kindgarten aspect of "it beats every other setting" shit comes to mind.

Meanwhile a single star trek ship crewmember's peashooter blaster could insta-kill a space marine

[vale shuttle]

40k fans seem to think 40k is the COOLEST MOST BADDASSEST THING EVER and that every other science fiction setting

[green loom]

40k is like, so based bro

It's so based

There's these guys called "The Death Korps" and they could like

Beat the Galactic Empire and stuff

[storm jungle]

I agree. And so is this guy with a space marine pfp who keeps saying genocide is completely justified IRL

Whos name starts with "Battle-brother Templar Bohemond"

totally not a crusaderboo

[vale shuttle]

40k fans be like "bro it's so cool. it's like so hard to survive in the galaxy but the Imperium makes it every time..."

[green loom]

Yeah I'm sure Lord-Commissar Hans, who loves German tanks and history, and loves the Death Korps
Does not at all possess sus opinions on controversial topics

[storm jungle]

KLSDFKLDSKLS

I love it when people go "I have never seen any of these people"

yeah, that makes it totally fine

[green loom]

Which Hans?
Beats me I've seen at least 20 in every 40k related server I've been in

[storm jungle]

God people are so unoriginal with german names holy shit

its either Klaus or Hans

fucking Generic McGee Wolfenstein Villain Name Generator

[vale shuttle]

||unfortunately for them Adolf is out of fashion||

[green loom]

Then whenever something historical gets mentioned

Instantly gets into revisionism and why xyz was good

[crimson kayak]

I especially love how everyone forgets the basic shit in something like star wars is plasma

[storm jungle]

YES.

Its like

"no way that will penetrate flak armor"

bruh your basic peashooter penetrates flak armor 💀

[green loom]

Yeah it's just like how plasteel crap doesn't do dick in Star Wars

[storm jungle]

Yeah a single blasterbolt and most Clones/Stormtroopers just die

its a mix of cinematic goon logic among other things

[crimson kayak]

Hell... Disintegration rifles are standard tech in star wars

[green loom]

Mfw the Clone Commando in heavy duty Katarn armor is nearly killed by a single bolt from a pistol to the chest

[storm jungle]

Bad Batch Moment

[green loom]

In that same vein

There's a Fist captain

In the Siege

That drops dead because a bullet from some random cultist's autogun flies straight through his lenses

[storm jungle]

LMAO I FORGOT ABOUT THAT

[near wasp]

Oh we talking starwars now

[vale shuttle]

the assumption they make is that blasters are weak and the armour is weak too. I'm sure if i wanted to waste my time o could go onto wookiepedia and find out the exact capabilities of the trooper from star wars but it just doesn't fucking matter

[storm jungle]

Yeah it really doesnt

its just the "plot"

what I hate about star wars is it has to explain EVERYTHİNG

[crimson kayak]

Wasn't it said somewhere that most of the time it knocks them unconscious because the heat is dispersed but not all the kinetic force?

[vale shuttle]

40k is like the only sci fi franchise with people who seem so fixated on their fictional technology

[storm jungle]

Yep thats correct.

[green loom]

Yeah sometimes they'll take 12 shots and not die
Other times it can glance their thigh and they drop dead

[storm jungle]

Yeee

like that one clone trooper that did a minigun last stand literally had a fucking hole in his chest

[green loom]

multiple

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/f_zgx8F2f8o?t=122

[green loom]

The ARCs and Commandos also drop like flies despite having "heavier" armour

[coarse pumice]

it's like this

[vale shuttle]

Holy shit the guy who made EVA is based as fuck

[green loom]

The 40k fan digging deep into the hidden meaning of a throwaway line that is mentioned once in 5 books while the writers in the board room laugh about the fart joke they wrote in

[vale shuttle]

i need to watch it

[storm jungle]

Literally half the primarch threads in r/40klore

they are like the Game of Thrones fandom

character says line

book release is between few years for said faction

Wild theories commence

"IS THE EMPEROR WALDER FREY?"

"THEY ARE BOTH OLD AND SIT ON A CHAIR"

[green loom]

40klore moment

There's a handful of people there who know stuff

[vale shuttle]

40klore is an awful forum

[green loom]

Then the rest are mouthbreathers who come over from Grimdank to ask about a meme they saw 10 minutes ago

[storm jungle]

Oh my god there was the uh

"guardsman live 15 hours" or some shit

or

"Abaddon failed 13 black crusades"

[green loom]

Failbaddon the Armless

90% of everything involving Krieg

[vale shuttle]

Vulkan and the Salamanders are good lads, Orks turn sticks into guns, Death Krieg march to their death branding shovels, Craftworld Eldar made Slaanesh, Tau are communists, Chaos makes you weaker, Custodes can't be beat by anything

[storm jungle]

god 💀

[green loom]

I shit you not I knew a guy who wrote a Krieg fanfic and had, and I quote
"Okay men, we are going to do a suicide charge into the enemy line!"
Added as a big dramatic part

[storm jungle]

KLDSFKLDKSLDKLS

⚰️

[vale shuttle]

the Death Korps are stubborn and self hating, but not stupid and suicidal

[storm jungle]

They are also

you know

[green loom]

Yeah good luck telling them that

[storm jungle]

an actual army

who uh

plan shit

[green loom]

And fail, a lot

[storm jungle]

lmfao

[green loom]

They've lost pretty much every campaign they've been in right?

[storm jungle]

More or less?

[vale shuttle]

Yeah they seem to not understand that the Death Korps actually want to win

[storm jungle]

theres more pocket engagements where like

[green loom]

Except Vraks but they had to be bailed out after a decade of just dying

[storm jungle]

they bombed a hive city for generations into dust

but they arent really fighting a war there

so it doesnt even count

[green loom]

When the Krieg fanboy mouths off about Vraks

[vale shuttle]

The Death Korps would be totally ineffective against every single force in 40k

[green loom]

How they got punted for who knows how many years

[vale shuttle]

And I'm glad to hear they lost

[green loom]

Then DA arrive and kill the traitor leadership or something

[green loom]

They're dedicated but that doesn't really amount to much when the endless horde of necrons doesn't really stop for you

[vale shuttle]

I guess they'd be good against Daemons

Since they would be unlikely to be corrupted

[green loom]

Well they are anyway since their depiction flip flops between extra dedicated guardsmen and mindless drones

[vale shuttle]

But I mean, uh, everyone else can deal with an enemy that entrenches and then launched death charges

[gloomy citrus]

They just bombed it for ten years.

It took five years to make the city surrender. So they bombed it for another five.

[storm jungle]

Yeah I know, it was pretty dumb

[copper patrol]

it's very much a hurdur gw doesn't do numbers well thing to me

[gloomy citrus]

I've said it once, but the Death Korps are basically the Astra Militarum Iron Warriors.

Only with even less individuality.

[copper patrol]

like even with 40k's scale what singular city take 5 years of shelling

to surrender

even with how massive hive cities are

[gloomy citrus]

Hive cities are large.

[copper patrol]

they are also incredibly dense, so once shit starts breaking

it will chain react

and break other shit

[gloomy citrus]

They should have pulled a Night Lord type of action.

To scare the city into submission.

[copper patrol]

it's literally just gw making things grimderk and extreme

[gloomy citrus]

The universe already sucks.

[storm jungle]

Like i talked this with a friend once

IMAGINE sitting on your ass for 10 years

firing artillery

[copper patrol]

like it would have taken at most 6 months

[storm jungle]

LEGIT

Or like do what the Moebians are trying ingame

go and sabotage the reactor

literally a 1 day job that doesnt waste the regiment's time

[gloomy citrus]

The Kriegsmen only know war and attrition.

[storm jungle]

No they know tactics.

They aren't smoothbrains.

[copper patrol]

aren't they really good with artillery?

[storm jungle]

Yeah its their thing

because WW1

[copper patrol]

shouldn't they have brought out the guy that is like

fire here and here

and the whole thing comes down

[storm jungle]

It was basically to teach the other planets a lesson

but like

its very goofy

[gloomy citrus]

They nuked their own planet.

[storm jungle]

Theres a difference between that and this

there its just "WE GOTTA STAY LOYAL TO BIG E, NUKE EM"

[gloomy citrus]

Couldn't they just save themselves the trouble and exterminatus the damn thing?

[storm jungle]

no because we need the toys

I MEAN the men

[gloomy citrus]

I was talking about the planet of the city that was shelled for a decade, not Krieg.

[storm jungle]

Oh that, tbh beats me

i guess its to show how wasteful the Imperium is at the end of the day

[copper patrol]

the whole planet wasn't bad iirc

so why exterminatus

[storm jungle]

Yeah let me check

Castigation of Derondis (936-946.M41) - The Hive World of Derondis withheld its annual tithes and regiments of Krieg's Death Korps were deployed to act as the honour guard of the Departmento Munitorum investigation team. After the Imperial officials were hanged by the rebellious populace, the Krieg troops redeployed into the towering mountains that overlooked the primary hive city. Several artillery and siege companies began to bombard the city spires and the inhabitants were mercilessly gunned down as they tried to break out from the besieged city. After ten standard years of relentless shelling, the hive was reduced to naught but rubble and dust, two solar years after all signs of life from the hive had already ceased and five solar years after the hive had plaintively issued its unconditional surrender.

[gloomy citrus]

You think that would stop the Inquisition?

[copper patrol]

yes

[storm jungle]

yes

any other sane Inquisitor with authority can come and say thats a stupid idea and waste of resources

Exterminatuses are only initiated when theres NO hope

[copper patrol]

the inquisition doesn't just go hurdur there is one heretic better exterminatus

[storm jungle]

Yeah that lmao

that joke has kinda been left in the mid 2000's era of 40k

where it was just everywhere

[vale shuttle]

so it's the newest joke the 40k community has made?

[copper patrol]

no that'd be guliiman and yvrain banging

[shadow plover]

in all honesty primaris lieutenant is probably the 'newest meme'

[storm jungle]

Yeah but i think its genuinely more warranted

[gloomy citrus]

You mean Titus?

[storm jungle]

Like they really release nothing but Lt's

[shadow plover]

no just in general

[storm jungle]

I really wish they gave any other faction random lieutenant minis

[vale shuttle]

GW do make a tonne of Primaris Lieutenants though

[shadow plover]

Sure, didn't say it wasn't an accurate one

[vale shuttle]

there's been like 3-4 a year since Primaris came out

most other factions only have one lieutenant : 😢

[storm jungle]

Yeah it sucks

but ah well

[vale shuttle]

frigging Death Guard don't even have a non psychic lieutenant like wtf

[gloomy citrus]

Don't the Primaris have as much individuality as the Rubric Marines?

[copper patrol]

no

[vale shuttle]

No

[copper patrol]

Rubrics are basically robots iirc

[gloomy citrus]

Mortarion being a hyporcite.

[vale shuttle]

the original Primaris marines were even more "personality of a cube of metal" but that's cause they were like, vat grown and raised in a lab by Cawl

[gloomy citrus]

Yeah, just a pile of ash in a suit of armor.

[vale shuttle]

new ones are like normal space marines, so maybe a cube of stone instead of metal

[gloomy citrus]

Sucks to be a Thousand Son.

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically they need a sorceror to guide/order them around

otherwise they return to "standard combat protocols"

aka sit around and shoot at an enemy

[vale shuttle]

Uh, no. it's gw not producing models for non marine factions

[copper patrol]

like there is a primaris salamander character that is pretty cool personality wise

iirc

[gloomy citrus]

Astartes are the face of 40k.

[vale shuttle]

if death guard got as much attention as loyalist marines im sure they'd have like 12 different non psychic lieutenants

[gloomy citrus]

Mortarion used to hate psykers.

[shadow plover]

I hope we will get a Lieutenant Titus model

[gloomy citrus]

Now all he has are psykers among the officers, as it seems.

[copper patrol]

he is a psyker now basically

[vale shuttle]

that's one Primaris Lieutenant id like

[shadow plover]

yees

[gloomy citrus]

Like I said.

[copper patrol]

also wait, is the meme for primaris Lieutenants that are actually characters? or just generic ones

[vale shuttle]

the amount of Primaris Lieutenant models

there's been like 16 or something

most other factions have one or maybe two "Lieutenant" models

[gloomy citrus]

Primaris seem to get all the love.

[vale shuttle]

E.g death guard have two types of sorcerer, SoB have the Palatine

so Primaris Lieutenant is a meme cause there's a new one every season

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically this

its one of those memes where like, you see it and think

"haha yeah this has to be a joke"

then you open the store

and there really is like 16 models

lmao

VERY RARE case of a 40k meme being actually warranted/true

[copper patrol]

but I mean like, is this guy part of that meme

or is it like

just generic ones

[vale shuttle]

yep it's really dire considering there are more Primaris Lieutenant models than Harlequin models

[gloomy citrus]

That's a cool looking Salamander.

[vale shuttle]

i think it's only the generic ones

i don't think there are many non generic ones like that guy

[copper patrol]

that's what I figured but I am not deep enough in on it to really know

[vale shuttle]

it's on everyone's mind cause they just showed off a new Primaris Lieutenant

[storm jungle]

Basically compare that Salamander to these

where its just Generic Marine McGee

[copper patrol]

yeah

[storm jungle]

[gloomy citrus]

That is to be expected from the Ultrasmurfs.

[copper patrol]

bottom right guy is cool

[vale shuttle]

yeah those guys are boring and flavourless, the Salamanders one is quite cool

we don't need 16 genetic Primaris Lieutenants, we need like...

five at most. the rest would be better as flavour models

[gloomy citrus]

By the way, how many chapters are out there?

[copper patrol]

infinite

[vale shuttle]

1000

[storm jungle]

Basically

few important ones

a lot of footnote ones

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Pictorial_List_of_Space_Marine_Chapters_(A-L)

[shadow plover]

9 original founding and hundreds of successors for each

[storm jungle]

^

[vale shuttle]

yeah there's a lot of chapters that exist only as a colour scheme and name so you can make your own dudes

[storm jungle]

some literally have 1 sentence of lore

[gloomy citrus]

Are there any chapters with traitor fathers?

[copper patrol]

officially?

[vale shuttle]

the chapter thing exists so you can homebrew your little guys

[copper patrol]

no

[storm jungle]

What Sean said

theres some with "traitor" origins geneseed wise

but its like 5 or so

[copper patrol]

off the top of my head there is one that is like

blatant

[green loom]

Primaris have as much personality as Firstborn because in a character sense they're literally the exact same thing

[vale shuttle]

Sons of the Phoenix

[copper patrol]

yep

I wonder who they are from

[gloomy citrus]

Officially they're IF's.

[vale shuttle]

yeah but they're emperor's children

[gloomy citrus]

Officially.

[green loom]

Like you can't come here and tell me Tetrarch Decimus Felix is an unfeeling drone when the Iron Hands have always existed

[gloomy citrus]

The Blood Ravens are TS, right?

[crimson kayak]

if only i had a nickel for every "They are a Codex Astartes-compliant Loyalist Space Marine Chapter of unknown Founding and origin."

[green loom]

Space Marines complaining about shit being vanilla is such a meme when they have the most bland, one dimensional faction in the setting

[vale shuttle]

maybe, sorta, probably not

[copper patrol]

I thought it actually got confirmed or something

[vale shuttle]

it actually got unconfirmed

[copper patrol]

[green loom]

Never explicitly stated but every heavily hinted at to the point they're basically hammering you on the head with it

[vale shuttle]

it was in some dawn of war book that was specifically retconned

[green loom]

Also, funny little inconsistency

[vale shuttle]

iirc

[gloomy citrus]

Who else would be the father of space marines who have psykers as commanders?

[crimson kayak]

last bit of lore i heard is that when they got primaris gene-seed they checked it and went "well, no one must speak of this ever again"

[green loom]

Pre Primaris, the problem was marines being too flashy and not tacticool
Post Primaris, the problem is marines not being flashy enough and too tacticool

[vale shuttle]

White Scars, Word Bearers, Blood Angels

[green loom]

Blood Angels

[vale shuttle]

Space Wolves maybe, they have their rune priests

[gloomy citrus]

Wouldn't the Blood Ravens be depressed, then?

[storm jungle]

I mean they already are

[shadow plover]

it would be fitting but they don't have any mention of suffering of the flesh change which is pretty much the defining factor of thousand sons/magnus' geneseed besides very psychically tuned

[vale shuttle]

not anymore!

[crimson kayak]

wait, yep " the Blood Ravens Apothecaries and Librarians applied every kind of scrutiny known to them to the gene-seed and Primaris technology provided for them. What they might have discovered is naught but suspicion and conjecture to any outside the Chapter who know of the Blood Ravens’ deep desire to seek out knowledge of their origins, and the Secret Masters in particular have made a point of ensuring that the knowledge they have gleaned remains secret."

from their chapter index

[vale shuttle]

the new defining trait is not working with non psykers

[crimson kayak]

actually they do

[shadow plover]

really?

[vale shuttle]

the rubric of Ahriman made it so that Magnus' geneseed doesn't take to people who are not psychically attuned

[crimson kayak]

yep, they have a big prison where they take initiates that "fail" and mutate horribly

along with librarians that got a bit too close with the warp

[vale shuttle]

only initiates who fail and are warped by the, uh, warp

[green loom]

Glarped by the florp

[vale shuttle]

but the flesh change effected everyone

[shadow plover]

I see

[gloomy citrus]

Nice work, Tzeentch.

[crimson kayak]

could have been that their geneseed was tampered with

[green loom]

They had to be founded after the Rubric, and without any actual Thousand Sons marine

[vale shuttle]

it's not the flesh change its just the blood ravens being silly little guys and feeding their initiates too much warp juice

[copper patrol]

what silly fellows

[gloomy citrus]

Hmm, I wonder who would do such a thing...

[copper patrol]

up to a bit of mischief

[crimson kayak]

lol, doesn't even need to be kawl if you mean him, like, we have the whole cursed founding that's about the mechanicus fucking up gene-seed

[green loom]

I'm just going to go watch Band of Brothers or something, more enjoyable than 40k bore

[vale shuttle]

Blood Raven recruiter when the latest batch turns into a bunch of gibbering mouths: "woopsie daisy!!! 🤣🤣😆😅"

[gloomy citrus]

I was referring to the greatest troll in the Warp.

[green loom]

If only we had a medic career

[crimson kayak]

i mean, tzneetch would probably want more mutations

[gloomy citrus]

Becoming a chaos spawn is horrible enough.

[crimson kayak]

like he cares lol

[vale shuttle]

how???

[green loom]

What

[gloomy citrus]

He did send some daemons to that weird well.

And stopped after only one returned.

[crimson kayak]

you mean kairos?

[gloomy citrus]

Yeah.

[gloomy citrus]

He has to care somehow, otherwise it wouldn't be as fun for him.

[vale shuttle]

how did you get 25 revives in a match? wouldn't your allies constantly be dying from running out of wounds

[near wasp]

They prolly did

[gloomy citrus]

If he just kept sending his followers to their deaths.

[copper patrol]

bro that's a different game

[near wasp]

Awww shit

[green loom]

It's not Darktide dummy, it's Hell Let Loose

[vale shuttle]

😶

sorry for assuming you were playing darktide since we're talking in the darktide discord

[near wasp]

I need more caffine

[green loom]

Hey we're off topic at least half the time

[near wasp]

More than half the time

[vale shuttle]

tbh true and correct

next time ill be sure to steer us back on topic with a question that will make a thrilling discussion

which primarch would win in a bowling competition?

[near wasp]

Russ

Or fulgrim but i think fulgrim would be to focused on looking good

Making sure his hair was flowing right as he threw the ball

[gloomy citrus]

Fulgrim's a bitch.

[celest dome]

The Emperor's a bitch

[gloomy citrus]

[near wasp]

I agree fulgrim is a bitch but hes one of the only primarchs who might care about a bowling competition

[vale shuttle]

The Emperor is compensating for something l

[gloomy citrus]

He is a corpse.

[vale shuttle]

a girl rejected him when he was 15 and he decided to make that the entire galaxy's problem

instead of like, going to the local brothel

[gloomy citrus]

Lorgar and Erebus weren't allowed to make the Big E a god, so they made that the entire galaxy's problem.

I mean, making him a god wasn't that stupid, because it would mostly eliminate the chance of revolts.

[near wasp]

But somebody just had to light an entire city on fire

[gloomy citrus]

Monarchia?

[near wasp]

Yep

[gloomy citrus]

Big E ordered the smurfs to blow it up.

[near wasp]

Exactly

[queen laurel]

I wonder how emperor flavored corpse starch would taste

[gloomy citrus]

And yet he made the Mechanicus believe that he's the Omnissiah.

[vale shuttle]

i assume the emperor is either a skeleton or totally dessicated

so it'd probably taste worse than normal

[gloomy citrus]

He is a skeleton on the golden throne.

[vale shuttle]

yes i know?

[queen laurel]

Eh, i guess it helps to take off my mind when i'm fighting xenos

[vale shuttle]

bulgar reading that gave me a stroke

[copper patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/baffling-gif-24471655

[vale shuttle]

but i understand. ill send your trench a framed picture of big E

[queen laurel]

I use voice typing a lot so my bad

[vale shuttle]

pain

[queen laurel]

I am just incredibly f****** lazy

[vale shuttle]

Lmao all good

[near wasp]

Lol

So did you have a stroke while speaking or sumthing

[queen laurel]

I tend to somehow repeat the thing i just say

Think of it as a very weird stutter

And it doesn't help that my pronunciation of things fuck it up even further

[near wasp]

Bruhhhh

I get it

I do that exact same thing

[crimson kayak]

Rejects were eating emperor flavored corpse starch confimed?

[crimson kayak]

Same tbh

[thick cedar]

I saw a comment here yesterday and they said the emperor basically doesnt care about the imperium or humanity anymore and has accepted that its destined to fall.

What happens if the imperium falls and why has the emperor supposedly given up?

[near wasp]

Humanity dies

[celest dome]

Nah, Mankind would survive, it got worse times before, but the future would be even bleaker than it currently is

[gloomy citrus]

He just doesn't care about his sons.

[thick cedar]

What would it take for everyone to work together against the tyranids and chaos

[gloomy citrus]

A lot.

The Eldar and the Necrons would have to stop being narcissists, the Imperium would have to stop being so hostile, the T'au would need to get the balls to do what needs to be done, the Space Marines would just have to fucking focus, the Dark Eldar would just have to fucking die.

Am I missing something or someone?

And by someone I mean major factions?

Oh, and the Orks.

They don't need convincing.

Fighting is enough for them.

The problem is what would happen after these threats are dealt with?

[versed ledge]

The Tau does have balls, well at least the ones that aren't ethereals. There's an account of a Tau water caste turning to chaos that spooked everyone

[gloomy citrus]

And the Warp would have to be replaced with something. Preferrably the Webway.

At least it's not the literal Hell.

[versed ledge]

Agreed

[gloomy citrus]

Except not really, because Commorragh.

[versed ledge]

Wait, do the eldar just build giant webway portals for their ships?

[gloomy citrus]

I don't know much about the Eldar.

Only that they're the space elves and that they are assholes.

[storm jungle]

Can't be worse than the Imperium

[storm jungle]

Eldar have webway portals basically everywhere

they had a galaxy spanning empire in the past so the portals tend to be practically anywhere

And yeah the craftworlds have webway portals too

its their main form of FTL

[gloomy citrus]

Untill they fucked Slaanesh into existence.

[versed ledge]

Fair enough, but in the event that they need to go somewhere but no portals, do they just engage subspace drives and wing it for millennia after millennia?

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583630047189925889/1082316893479772190/image.png

[storm jungle]

Thats pretty much what they are doing now tbh

Eldar dont wage war (minus Biel Tan) without reason

[gloomy citrus]

No one let them join Chaos.

[storm jungle]

They have

The Imperium itself is the main reason chaos thrives lol

[gloomy citrus]

Perty tricked the Lion into giving him these weapons.

[storm jungle]

...that isnt talking about the Heresy lmao

[gloomy citrus]

Then what?

[storm jungle]

Bruh what else

[gloomy citrus]

The Age of Strife?

[storm jungle]

No?

I think you entirely missed the point

[shadow plover]

truest image I've seen

[versed ledge]

Never understood why biel tan is at war with humanity

[storm jungle]

Basically to defend their Maiden Worlds

so its more of an offensive-defensive campaign

pretty much any other craftworld will never go to war unless they have to

most guardians see any form of killing sentient life as murder

its why they have psychic warmasks

[versed ledge]

Make sense and understandable, but they do realize going to war with the imperium is like playing a game of chess that no one wins

[storm jungle]

Yeah theres no point basically.

The Imperium meanwhile has the entire conquest mindset where "If a planet exists we'll take it, even if its worthless."

[versed ledge]

Mainly because the opponent is the type to use a sledgehammer to crush a butter fly

[storm jungle]

Its less that and more that there isnt really any reason

Eldar have everything they want on their craftworlds

[gloomy citrus]

Or rather, a game of chess that Chaos wins.

[storm jungle]

they have no need for conquest

[versed ledge]

Some big shot suit and noble does though, thus we fight

[storm jungle]

Yep.

Its basically the same as IRL

people want territory because [insert reason here]

🇺🇸 🛢️

[versed ledge]

Replace the flag with any other, it's going to be the same circus in the end, but if it were against orks...that I could get behind

Then again in fifteen hours, the orks were fighting for the same reason, but the threat orks hold is world ending

[storm jungle]

Yeah orks fight because its the thing they are programmed to

and being fungus they are one of the few 1-3 races that will survive 40k when the galaxy implodes.

[coarse pumice]

the ones that did that are not the craftworlders

[storm jungle]

I was gonna bring that up too but no point i think