40k-lore-chat

[crisp heath]

It’s still a power armor

[celest dome]

And Pinup art did influence their older arts

[crisp heath]

Fair

[arctic talon]

Most human power armor

Also has pretty slim legs compared to marine armor

Which just looks weird imo

[celest dome]

Arbites use Power armour right ?

[arctic talon]

Nah

It’s really high quality carapace

Same as Crusaders

[celest dome]

huh, though they had Power armour

[arctic talon]

The most elite get it

But these guys aren’t that

[celest dome]

Don't Crusader have something else than Carapace ?

I think certain unit in the Solar Auxilia had Power Armour

Those dudes

[copper patrol]

are those, power axes?

[celest dome]

Yes

[copper patrol]

[celest dome]

Power Axes could easily appear in the future

[copper patrol]

hopefully

those look cool as hell

[arctic talon]

It’s carapace for rules reasons but it’s technically very primitive power armor

[storm jungle]

Those were more just voidsuits

but TOP OF THE LINE voidsuits

👩‍🦼

[arctic talon]

Tbh if we wana use the literal definition for power armor

Then carapace armor is power armor

It’s got a tiny power supply

It’s got mechanical bits internally

And it can even give a HUD for some versions

[celest dome]

Right, SM armour should better be called Ceramite Armour tbh

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Also

New Non marine power armor

In maledictum

[coarse pumice]

originally power armour was the same protection as carapace

the difference was that carapace inhibited your movement but power armour didn't

iirc you could then combine power armour with some other armour but then it did inhibit your movement

[arctic talon]

Tbh

There’s a lot of power armor varients we just don’t get to see

Which is unfortunate

[summer rover]

no, it didn't inhibit movement. so powered armor was effectively just the 3+ but with an extra step since everyone that got powered armor outside of PCs got the flak underarmor for free.

[coarse pumice]

1/2" penalty

worth it, but not negligible

[storm jungle]

OLD

👩‍🦼

[coarse pumice]

[summer rover]

hey listen, i'm trying to find a canon example of ogryn weapons with a light on 'em because they need a light. you have to dig DEEP

[celest dome]

Does armour count ?

Scratch that they don't have lights on the one I though of

[summer rover]

i don't think they'll allow non-cosmetic armor

[celest dome]

Could just give them a better Flashlight, like from base

And making the gun flashlight work more like a far reaching one, while the Body Floodlight would have a larger radius but go less far

[coarse pumice]

could be a torch? or just a funny scope

[celest dome]

Scope, for an Ogryn ?

[coarse pumice]

torch more likely?

I mean if it's a scope, he's obviously not using it lol

[celest dome]

I really want to see a Rippersaw

That would be nice

[summer rover]

i checked, it's a big drum magazine on the side of the gun.

i don't know why it's latched on the side and has an open feed under the gun, but that's how the model is.

[echo vault]

Snails are armored slugs also that slug has Limbs

Reminds me of the slug people from uzumaki

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-phil-thanks-thank-you-gif-7759312

[plush mason]

so what your saying is. an armored beast of Nurgle would be a snail

[copper patrol]

it's like a caterpillar snail

[thick cedar]

Ok I know the imperium is against chaos and all, but hear me out here

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Malice

[storm jungle]

Malal my beloved

[green loom]

Murder

[heavy bison]

It gets weirder with Sororitas because the corset part of their armor either has servos and articulating plates under a fabric/leather layer or its just soft materials and ends at the bottom of the breastplate XD

Fanart but I figure its something like so.

[rose thorn]

Imperial guard regiment but they purposely put them insanely dangerous situations and live broadcast it to nobles for them to watch, like a blood sport or something

[versed ledge]

I kind of imagined them without the body glove

[heavy bison]

I think a body glove or something makes sense. Thats alot of chafing otherwise.

The rare casual attire is probably a habbit.

[storm jungle]

They have neural ports

so the body glove makes sense, they need an input material in-between

[heavy bison]

I assume space marines just rough it, like that animation where the armor is assembled around the astartes. But they've got the black carapace and their skin is probably tough enough that chafing isn't really an issue.

[plush mason]

they have a servo suit iirc

which is also what the sisters wear

it helps them move in their armor

[heavy bison]

Thats right, I forgot the animation had a suit.

[storm jungle]

Basically their input material is under their skin

which is the black carapace

[heavy bison]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVubdRyU3Mc

[storm jungle]

they dont wear a bodyglove iirc

oh wait nah they do

[plush mason]

they do but its only to help with the weight of their armor

[storm jungle]

Yeah that

[heavy bison]

But like, you can see the ports that poke through.

[storm jungle]

Ye with the sisters meanwhile they gotta wear an exo-glove underneath

but they also get body sockets, just not as advanced

[plush mason]

yeah

[versed ledge]

So if unaugmented women of the sororitas can wear power armor, why can't the regiments of the astra militarum can't?

[heavy bison]

Cost.

[versed ledge]

Then relegate it to special units

Also balalaika aayyyy

[storm jungle]

Basically plot

[heavy bison]

Why? they'll die wearing it. Its a completely different economy of scale.

[storm jungle]

You could easily write other guardsman wearing some but its just not their aesthetic for the most part.

Meanwhile sororitas get billions of them in abundance

because reasons

[versed ledge]

Fair enough...plot and derp

[storm jungle]

Yeah just ignore it

it basically falls down to "elite units get the best gear" etc

[versed ledge]

Even when elite units are becoming cannon fodder

Or Tyranid fodder

Or fodder

[heavy bison]

I think the Ecclesiarchy is super rich, though. But the total number of the Sororitas they have to outfit with super high end kit is probably not even a fraction of the bodies that most elite planets have to outfit even Progenae.

[versed ledge]

The ecclesiarchy is super rich, yet there's some planets that are poor....

[heavy bison]

So Stormtroopers do get higher end kit, Carapace armor (which is still high end) and Hellguns etc.

[heavy bison]

I know, its practically Warhammer 2k

[green loom]

And also like

Imagine outfitting just one guard army with power armour

[storm jungle]

OOF too close to home

[green loom]

Maintenance be like

[storm jungle]

Also true

[heavy bison]

Also Millitarum regiments are almost like an export commodity.

Even Progenae probably never return home.

[green loom]

Like gotta remember that stuff is delicate alongside being expensive, and for non-marines it's pretty clunky to control

[heavy bison]

I could almost see a super rich planet outfitting its PDF/Enforcers with Power Armor before they'd outfit their Millitarum Tithe.

[green loom]

Considering it's straight up how some worlds pay taxes, yeah

[versed ledge]

Why do people even join the military at large in the 40k verse if the odds of survival and returning home is akin to winning the lottery

[heavy bison]

Conscription mostly.

[storm jungle]

That

also you got no choice

[green loom]

They wouldn't bother, the super rich are corrupt and don't really care about organized forces, at most their personal guard

[storm jungle]

most regiments are planet based where the regiment itself is the pride of the world itself

so you are more or less fed propaganda and brainwashed into service

[versed ledge]

Corrupt elites with guards that have really nice toys, sounds like real life

[green loom]

"If a wretch already lives in hell what reason does he have to refuse it"

[heavy bison]

Conscription, Punishment for Crimes, Debt, Drinking the cool aid that life in the guard is better than shoveling litteral shit in the lower hives.

[green loom]

You join the guard
You're guaranteed food, training, a place to sleep
At least until deployment

[heavy bison]

And like, some are genuniely patriotic.

[green loom]

It's typical military benefits stuff

[versed ledge]

Also learning "marketable skills" like repairing a power lift sentinel and getting licenced for it

[heavy bison]

"I'm doing my part!"

[green loom]

That and
You aren't immune to propaganda
And 40k has a LOT of Propaganda

[storm jungle]

One of the vets in Darktide says this too

while uh

going through the shitty hab-blocks

"Its either this or joining the guard."

[heavy bison]

And most imperial worlds don't know about all the horrible shit outside their planet.

[versed ledge]

Damn that hits home too

[green loom]

You get a choice
Certain death but painful
Or
Certain death but painful somewhere else

[storm jungle]

just like real life!

[versed ledge]

The latter at least food, not really that edible of food

[green loom]

It's also like

Played up as this glorious thing they can be proud of

So they grab the naive ones very quickly

[heavy bison]

Like, if you've never seen an orc and all you know is that according to the imperial infantryman's uplifting primer is that orcs are vulnerable in close combat.... then they don't seem all that bad.

[versed ledge]

Sounds really really familiar

Does it include free medical and collegio funds

[storm jungle]

DSFKDSDLS

[green loom]

For your children

[storm jungle]

Yeah just like most WW2/Post-war manuals it literally outright lies to you about the enemy.

[heavy bison]

Y'all right Dilara?

[green loom]

Iirc kids of veterans are taken into the schola

[heavy bison]

XD

[storm jungle]

I was just keyboard smashing to convey laughter its fine

[heavy bison]

I assumed cat tbh

[versed ledge]

Because this hits home in familiarity

[green loom]

Watching those old informational videos prepping US troops for the dday landings

[storm jungle]

god, literally

"Dont worry it will be fine"

[versed ledge]

Inb4 the admintratum deducts the guard Tricare plan

Because for the war effort

[green loom]

"The MG42 fires fast, but in exchange it's accuracy is very bad"

Kid named "my leg got sawed off by a 42 burst"

[storm jungle]

Basically ^

lmao

with 40k its even worse

[green loom]

Also no trigger discipline, firing pistols with only one hand

[versed ledge]

Orks

[storm jungle]

it literally describes most races you'll fight like they are starved homeless people

[heavy bison]

Because humanity is the greatest.

[versed ledge]

But orks aren't....well the grotz are

[storm jungle]

"Eldar are cowardly and cant hurt you"

Their basic infantry gun will literally slice through your entire armor and body

[heavy bison]

The Ecclesiarchy says so.

[storm jungle]

"Ork boys are weak and easily dispatchable."

[versed ledge]

And eldar are space ninjas but elves

[storm jungle]

And yeah they are

they got lots of eastern influences

also hindu

also gaelic

also greek

[green loom]

The craftworlds are just floating city states

[versed ledge]

Said the toilet paper being used by the guardsmen fighting an ork and getting overrun

[storm jungle]

The primer is really good for that stuff, if you can find a PDF online its well worth a read

that or just watch Bricky's vid on it

[green loom]

Bricky

I found out how much they make from their podcast

[versed ledge]

Early 20th century tactics and equipment care, mixed with imperial creed

[green loom]

And I nearly had a stroke

[heavy bison]

(iii) Boyz make up the rank and file of the ork rabble. They are usually armed with crude machine guns and cannons which frequently misfire and jam. These bestial brutes are no match for the proud Imperial Guard, and disciplined fire into the body or head will end their miserable lives.

(iv) Nobs are generally larger than boyz and can be considered more dangerous. They are sometimes equipped with a primitive version of power armour. They will be heavily armed with ranged and close combat weapons, and they delight in the loud noises they make. Chances are they will be so engrossed in the explosions and cracks emanating from their (probably malfunctioning) weapons that they won't notice you creeping up on them to administer a killing shot into their eye.```

[storm jungle]

ıts fucking ridiculous yeah

all to provide you with shitty fanart

[copper patrol]

[green loom]

18k USD monthly

[storm jungle]

JESUS fucking christ

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

wow

what a goal

thanks bricky

[green loom]

That's more than my family makes in 3 years

[storm jungle]

I'd say someone like Alfabusa making 22k is more fair since hes literally producing what is basically an animated series.

Bricky just

talks about warhammer lore

[green loom]

In memes

[storm jungle]

YES

ITS NOT EVEN SERIOUS LORE

[green loom]

And Warhammer lore that's been covered before

So it's not even fresh content

It's just the same but somehow more awkward

[storm jungle]

He has been doing fresh content but most of it is pre-done yeah

hes just covering Arks atm because people will go to him to watch that stuff and be informed

[green loom]

Maybe crappy meme art is the way to go...

I'll make my living off shitty krieg memes

[storm jungle]

Be charismatic and you can do it

look at Pancreas

that guy is actually great

and slowly growing

[green loom]

It's painful to say

[storm jungle]

anyway thats enough salt from me for one night

[green loom]

But I preferred him as a League YouTuber

I swear everyone's just pouncing on making Warhammer related content because 40k fans WILL eat it up regardless of what it is or quality

Not to mention, throw money at it

[heavy bison]

I mean, yeah.

[storm jungle]

Entirely true

at least he isnt OneMindSyndicate

[heavy bison]

The algorithm works in mysterious ways.

[versed ledge]

40k fans love anything 40k and algorithm works favorably for 40k content

Must be Tzeentch doing

[green loom]

I've unironically heard AI with more life and charisma in it's voice

[versed ledge]

cough cough elevenlabs cough

[heavy bison]

Same reason I watch auspex tactics mute 2x

I'm just there for the slides.

[versed ledge]

I wish they would sauce their art work, I mean those stuff look actually pretty good

[storm jungle]

honestly if you need to find where a 40k art is from just ask me

im an actual warhammer art kleptomaniac

got a trazyn-tier collection

[green loom]

Yeah and most funny artists have a very distinct style

[heavy bison]

Bold claim

[green loom]

You can easily tell Miguel Iglesias from DabanaWorks

[storm jungle]

^

[versed ledge]

But I take it nothing unspoken concerning a certain method of how traitor marines regrow their numbers.....

[storm jungle]

Oh nah theres nothig that you are thinking of

they literally make chaos marines the same way loyalists do

but just

you know

more torture

lmao

[green loom]

DabanaWorks did a fuckton of the 9th Ed Marine art

[versed ledge]

Sure...
We'll stick with that heh

[heavy bison]

Gib Quality Khorne Sororitas Art plx

[green loom]

And a lot of stuff for the first iteration of Kill Team

[storm jungle]

hes great

[queen laurel]

The hell did i just walked into

[versed ledge]

Where was that method that became unspoken even from? What book?

[storm jungle]

Uhhh that one ultramarine book

[versed ledge]

I don't even know

[green loom]

One of the Ventris books

[storm jungle]

with Uriel Ventris

[versed ledge]

Thanks

[storm jungle]

Released in 2004

[versed ledge]

I shall probably not read it, like a Tzeentch scholar would not read a book filled with hexes

[green loom]

If it involves Warsmith Honsou then you're on the right trCk

[storm jungle]

The book is actually great

the daemonculaba stuff is like just that one part nobody stops talking about

its not even a large part of the book

[green loom]

This is the one with the skinless guys right

[storm jungle]

Yep

its great lmao

[green loom]

That worship the emperor and are very depressing

[storm jungle]

Yeah the entire book is more or less Ventris being taught a lesson about the state of his "job" and the galaxy at large

he comes out a different man by the end of it

[heavy bison]

I remember asking about this a while ago based on something I read in an Iron Warriors Book. CSM harvest loyalist gene seed.

[green loom]

I want to read Knights of Macragge someday, and other Cato books
Apparently they aren't bad

[storm jungle]

They are okay to good

[crimson kayak]

Yep, they just can't make more

[queen laurel]

Bro a single ork could probably swing a choppa and could probably cut you in half

[heavy bison]

In that instance, the Iron Warrior MC was made from stolen Imperial Fists GS

[green loom]

Most modern traitor marines are of Ultramarine stock

[storm jungle]

Yeah Chaos marines at the end of the day are raiders too

[heavy bison]

Dude, thats -CLEARLY- not what it says in the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifiting Primer, its there in black and white.

[crimson kayak]

Ench why I would like to see chaos marine aspirants

[green loom]

The geneseed doesn't make the genocidal monster, it only gives you the blank canvas to paint the brutal murderer on

[echo vault]

CSM serfs

[versed ledge]

You mean chaos unpaid interns

[queen laurel]

I just watched jimmy get eaten by a green mammoth dinosaur with an artillery platform attached to it, this primer is shit

[versed ledge]

Which definitely have better treatment than imperial interns

[echo vault]

Sneak peek inside an iron warriors vessel

[storm jungle]

Theres a reason most vets use it as toilet paper

[crimson kayak]

"artillery with an artillery platform attached to it" sounds so orky i love it

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah even if i didn't remove it would make sense

[heavy bison]

Which is great till you get shot for not producing it on demand by the comissar.

[versed ledge]

Are coders secretly orks...

[echo vault]

Perturabo had nightmares just like Konrad Cruze but it was only nightmares of HOI4 players

[crimson kayak]

pulls a catachan and shoots the commissar first

[echo vault]

Kreig commissars are just therapists for the guys

[versed ledge]

Before the krieg shoots the Commissar for retreating

[echo vault]

That's a better interpretation tbh just the complete actual opposite of what you expect of commisars

[queen laurel]

"This primer will help you against the enemy "

"Sir, they just shot our tank with a tiny green malnourished child, then that thing proceeded to rip the tank crew apart, this thing will not help us"

[echo vault]

Just like hey I saw you try to cross a third minefield today what's up

[versed ledge]

Commissar Cain fits the picture of a reasonable one

But he always tries to get out of a fight and lands easy jobs.... basically just like anyone, but with super Chad energy

[heavy bison]

One of the books mentions that their (Kreig) Commissars are also generally the face of the regiment to other command staff from other regiments. Since its pretty unnerving when none of the other officers are removing their masks and only using serial number's

[queen laurel]

Doing the most effective option is the best way to preserve his life so

I understand him

[versed ledge]

Same, and also envy him a bit. He slept with a daemonette and live to tell the tale

Also banishing the daemon in the process

[echo vault]

There's a few weapons that can totally erase a demon from existence if I can recall

They're either like grey knights or heresy era weapons

[heavy bison]

Why would you ever want to erase the plague snail? its adorable.

[versed ledge]

Do we have pictures of the cute snail?

[heavy bison]

Old mate on top is just "Sup buh? Like m'snail?"

The nurgling is having a great time

https://tenor.com/view/the-fast-and-the-furious-tokyo-drift-lucas-black-sean-boswell-gif-9472695

[versed ledge]

Trippy and cute

Looks like a Tim Burton character

[rose thorn]

oh yeah hes actually important in AOS

idk in 40k

[plush mason]

wow a space marine with actual character development?

[open pumice]

as they always are

[versed ledge]

So what if we fatshark adds nurglings and plague bearers to the game?

Nurglings seem like an easy bunch to kill

[plush mason]

the nurglins would be a bitch and a half to kill in a horde

small targets are the worst in horde shooters like this

[versed ledge]

That's why we have flamers and shotties

Besides there's something called aiming....a good joke

[queen laurel]

Pimp my ride got nothing on this guy

[thick cedar]

Do psykers hear thoughts like we would hear people speaking? Or is it a conscious act?

[vale shuttle]

Psyker powers are super variable. Some might hear thoughts, some won't. It can be a conscious act and it can be an unconscious act.

When it comes to Psykers humans are extremely variable in power, scope, and control

[signal bramble]

Some of them can.

Presumably untrained psykers would probably hear the thoughts. Trained ones could probably learn to shut them out.

[green loom]

Maybe if you only know meme lore

[arctic talon]

Krieg fragging their own commissars on vraks

And getting sent into a penal battalion kekw

[plush mason]

kek

[plush mason]

i feel like some psykers actively joke about being able to read minds because they know it makes those around them uncomfortable lol

[echo vault]

What's the ugliest canon 40k vehicle

[plush mason]

that is a highly subjective question

[echo vault]

Well it's ok to share your subjective opinion

[coarse pumice]

that chaos spider dude

I don't like contemptors but I made my peace with them seeing they are like the dorky rogue trader dreads somewhat

the baby carrier

[plush mason]

the exorcist

[coarse pumice]

excorcist is amazing and hilarious

[plush mason]

it takes one of the most practical vics in 40k and turns it into a god-awful pip organ that fires rockets

[summer rover]

pick any of those baby-carrier mechs.

fundimentally ugly, just no saving them.

[coarse pumice]

what's sad is

[plush mason]

yeah the dreadknight is awful tho that primaris one is alright

[coarse pumice]

GW are near the top of the pack for western mech designs in other areas

[summer rover]

no they aren't.

their robots are dogshit across the board.

even junk like heavy gear is better than those things.

GW's mechs are some of the bottom of the pile of tabletop wargames choices.

[coarse pumice]

not while battletech exists

the only good battletechs were the ones directly stolen from kawamori

[summer rover]

you have some issues if you think gw's baby carriers are better than battlemechs

[coarse pumice]

I'm not talking about the baby carriers

those are the worst

[summer rover]

even the derpy models on MWO are better than what GW craps out.

[coarse pumice]

but the titans have better design identities

[plush mason]

i will still rank the mechs as less ugly than the exorcist because at least their design concept actually functions somewhat. unlike that hideous pipe-organ that has to launch its rockets vertically which massively limits its capabilities

[coarse pumice]

I don't know why GW went for the baby carrier meme

[summer rover]

vertical-launch missiles are actually a fairly common thing.

[coarse pumice]

the excorcist is more practical in real terms

[summer rover]

just means the sisters have a working fire control system and aren't wire-guiding the damn things.

[coarse pumice]

baby carriers ruin my suspension of disbelief for mechs though

[summer rover]

sadly it's issued to the militant arm of a church that would gilt their toilet paper with holy verse if they could.

[celest dome]

I quite like the Penitent Engine, but not so much for the rest

[plush mason]

they are. but not on light artillery nor are fixed vertical launch tubes all that common

the whirlwind and manticore are vastly superior rocket artillery vics

and in my opinion the best looking military vehicles are the ones that are the best at doing their job

[coarse pumice]

Mk 1 baby carrier

were they trying to combine the alien lifter thing with shirow style slave arms?

[plush mason]

maybe

ofc it is a grey knights mech so who knows

hell idek what that mech's job is on the battlefield

ofc thinking about it, it likely is just like the primaris one, just an alternative dreadnought

[coarse pumice]

yeah, dreadknight

the classic box dreadnought has more charm

[plush mason]

and is arguably more effective at its role

[coarse pumice]

the actual full size knight looks leagues better

[plush mason]

well yeah but a knight is a full sized mech unlike the dreadnoughts which are more like super heavy infantry. basically a MAX from planetside in terms of how they are used

[plush mason]

this thing cant even swivel its "weapon" can it?

wtf is this?

ohhh

its an actually good version of the exorcist

[coarse pumice]

I mean the knight and normal dread show they clearly can make something with fitting visual identity and look good in context, they just decide not to learn from their own work seemingly

[arctic talon]

Fighting a greater daemon

It’s decent at its job

Lore wise

Mostly since armor isn’t going to help

Against a bloodthirster

Or a lord of change

Or a Keeper of secrets

Or a Great unclean one

[coarse pumice]

if you want a more down to earth aesthetic, rogue trader 40k original setting actually had more of this feel, just rough round the edges and janky compared to today

[arctic talon]

Generally speaking it being unarmored isn’t an issue

Because thing things it’s deployed against

Will murder you anyways even if you have armor

[coarse pumice]

speaking of fighting greater daemons

tyrion fights like a dwarf

in the original stories

[plush mason]

not learning from their own work is a hallmark of GW. they are able to make some of the best and most practical sci fi weapons and vics i have ever seen and at the same time make some of the worst and most impractical ones lol

[arctic talon]

Tbh

Would be funny if daemons on the tabletop

Hit as hard as they did in lore

[plush mason]

if they did that everyone would go to chaos armies lol

[arctic talon]

Tbf

They’d be a lot less numerous

Daemons being a horde army is a holdover from Fantasy and AoS

Which is pretty funny to me

Since daemons are a lot less lethal in those 2

[plush mason]

hell a 40k daemon army should be more like a custodian army imo, small in numbers but hard-hitting and very tanky

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But they were a horde army in fantasy

So they shall remain one in 40k

[plush mason]

oof

also, are custodian armies on TT as bad as the memes make them out to be?

[coarse pumice]

they're the same though, so it just means the normal Fantasy dudes are built different I guess

[plush mason]

more just the settings as a whole

fantasy was a lot smaller in scale in terms of souls so the daemons and even the dark gods themselves where a lot weaker than their 40k counter-parts

[vale shuttle]

on tabletop you need to have a certain level of finnesse

you have very few models and very few units. if you're not careful and precise you can spend too much and you might lose a unit

[arctic talon]

They aren’t that strong tbh

But they’re a skew army

[vale shuttle]

in another army that might not be too bad, but since custodes pay hundreds of points for even the cheapest units you get punished really hard

[arctic talon]

Because of how elite they are

Anything you brought to kill hordes

Might as well be useless

Unless you brought a lot of it

[arctic talon]

The lethality of daemons as presented in lore is much higher in 40k

And the effect of their presence

A great unclean one on its own will ruin a planet in 40k

In fantasy it’ll just fuck up the area for a while

[plush mason]

yeah, like i said fantasy was a lot smaller in scale

and tbf that world in 40k is more or less the same size as the area effected in fantasy

so are the conscripted soldiers in the IG from worlds that dont have a tithe for regiments?

[crimson kayak]

Isn't the tithe by itself conscription?

[plush mason]

true

but the guard also recruits normally

which is strange to me

[crimson kayak]

I think it's conscription based for the tithe regiments/needed soldier and then voluntary for anyone who doesn't want to slave away 24/7

[storm jungle]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/06/whats-happening-in-the-galaxy-in-the-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000/

[green loom]

Guard representation!!! Wooooo!!!

Our Lord Solar is doing something!

[storm jungle]

also Ron Pearlman custodian

[green loom]

That's some elden ring looking shit

[copper patrol]

tf is that hat

[green loom]

Is that supposed to be Vahl

[storm jungle]

Nah

Random inquisition goons

[coarse pumice]

there's some old artwork that makes me think of

from one of the old rulebooks

[green loom]

These two are pretty obviously made brighter

More Guard/Custodes?

[storm jungle]

Thats a custodes and the lord solar yep

[green loom]

I think it's supposed to be Trajann

[copper patrol]

where tf did that custodes get a lion head

[storm jungle]

I think the artist just copied his model

[green loom]

He might've

[storm jungle]

Yeah the head is completely different

Ah well close enough

[green loom]

Gib more gaurd

Guard Tyrranic vets

Primaris first company vets

GIVE ME IT GEEDUBBERS

[coarse pumice]

here's some guard

[vale shuttle]

damn i actually liked that article

actually got me interested in the "edition-to-edition" narrative

wtf

[coarse pumice]

I can't find the artwork

in one of the old books

[green loom]

Deliver us more Guard minis oh Lord Solar

I think his head might be a bit too small

[celest dome]

I somewhat want a Lord Solar Macharius themed faction for Horus Heresy, but with it made to be useable in both HH and 40k

[green loom]

Also it might be a tease for Agents of the Imperium, Guard and Custodes

Since those 3 are very obviously highlighted

[celest dome]

Like Guardsmen but not part of the Solar Auxilia

[shadow plover]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/06/how-lion-eljonson-became-the-ultimate-scourge-of-traitors/

[storm jungle]

ok Warhammer Community™️

[green loom]

Classic

[storm jungle]

just like my own siblings

[green loom]

Just like 90% of my dormmates

[crisp heath]

The Lion is gay and on the spectrum so he's the coolest primarch

[heavy bison]

If I had to guess it’s kind of a Aliens Power Loader inspiration.

[green loom]

It's come to my attention that 4 of the other Lord Commanders are missing

Mayhaps soon 👀

[crimson kayak]

Man if we actually get an agent of the imperium army and not just the boarding patrol I'll be interested as fuck

Mostly because it would mean actually new stuff

[crimson kayak]

Warmaster Sly Marbo

[crisp heath]

I fucking love how he knew who Creed was, Creed died so he marked it out, then Creed II took over so he wrote it again

[near wasp]

Creed is in trayzens museum right?

[crisp heath]

Yeah the original Creed got put on ice, but that's as good as being dead

People don't really get out of Solemnace very often

[near wasp]

Yeah

Being a display sucks

[green loom]

I wouldn't be so sure

Ursula has Creed's coat, and it has 4 big holes in the back

[crisp heath]

I mean considering they introduced a new character, also named Creed, who has the same job, yeah I'm going to say with a fair degree of certainty he's not coming back

[green loom]

Curious

[storm jungle]

He DID get wounded by abaddon

[near wasp]

I do have an inportant question. Is creed really worth a custodes, inquistor, space marines, and all the other forces trayzen deployed. Kinda seems like a waste, even if creed would look good in a display case

[storm jungle]

I'd say yes he is

but like

Trazyn basically took him because hes a Patton-esque figure

[green loom]

Trazyn doesn't really care about like, what something is

[storm jungle]

so its less

"OMG MUST HAVE"

and more

[crisp heath]

I mean Trazyn was also worried about, you know, the entire galaxy about to get squad wiped

[storm jungle]

"It would be a waste to leave him to die"

[green loom]

He can always get a new custodes or inquisitor or marine

Trazyn wants the history

[crisp heath]

Creed was just an opportunity

[storm jungle]

yeah what Ede said

the entire reason he showed up to Cadia was in his words

"I want to feel like a good guy for a change, for the memes"

no joke

[green loom]

He doesn't need like, exact units for certain battles for anything

At most if they're very well known and important he'll try

or if he can get a big figure he'll do so

[crisp heath]

Trazyn basically just picked up Creed because he was acting like a vulture after Cadia fell

[crimson kayak]

Didn't trazyn give it to her?

[storm jungle]

Its implied

[green loom]

iirc it just showed up in her quarters one day

[storm jungle]

she simply finds the coat in her quarters yeah

but its basically trazyn

because nobody else could have it lol

[green loom]

Who else could it be

[crimson kayak]

Yep

[near wasp]

The soulless skeleton might still have a soul yet

[crisp heath]

He probably had a replica tailored and just didn't know what else to do with the old one

[crimson kayak]

I don't know how belt-fed works starter pack

[crisp heath]

you can't have your displays in nasty, bloody, torn up clothes, kids come to this museum

at least hypothetically

[green loom]

Kids come to it as display pieces

[near wasp]

Most wars dont have a bunch of children walking around, you know unless there a krieger

[crisp heath]

Remember, Trazyn has recorded audio tours in every language known to necrons, which means that somewhere in Solemnace is a tape about quantum physics entirely in ork speak

[green loom]

War in the Museum is amazing

Trazyn and his Magos buddy walking around trying to put out the fire is so fun

[near wasp]

I bet that tape can make a orks head explode

[crisp heath]

War in the Museum is great, it has canon discussion of necrontyr genitals

[near wasp]

Excuse .e

[near wasp]

Jesus

I need to read this abomination myself

[green loom]

Here's the full thing

[crisp heath]

Also gets rid of that stupid "tyranids are afraid of necrons" stuff, explains that the necrons mess with their psychic powers to intentionally divert them

[green loom]

This bit is also funny

[near wasp]

Oh no

[green loom]

She says like a sentence before that she was "Fighting the Heretic Astartes"

[crisp heath]

Also has some rainbow warriors that show up briefly

it's just a really good story

[shadow plover]

@storm jungle give me that emoji you reacted with. now.

[crisp heath]

NGL Trazyn has done a lot of people dirty, but I think those sisters got the shortest end of the stick possible

[shadow plover]

Amazing

[storm jungle]

anytime

[green loom]

I like how the Magos isn't portrayed as a moron

Like, he's still nuts

[queen laurel]

Hey if you don't mind i have a question for you

[storm jungle]

Go ahead

[queen laurel]

Ok so, do eldar dinosaurs do this

[storm jungle]

just need some laser batteries on its back

[queen laurel]

Nice, thank you for answering my totally important question

[near wasp]

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-t-rex-going-down-gif-14964095

[celest dome]

Just showing that an Eldar Exodite video game would be awesome
Maybe the new Avatar game will scratch the itch

[urban spire]

if you want more of this

may i interest you in some warhammer fantasy

[near wasp]

I watched the battle of helreach, absolutly bad ass

[shadow plover]

It starts off really really good but falls flat when it ditches it's unique look and starts to look like any other ugly SFM animation

[gray umbra]

Eldar elite 4

[crimson kayak]

grimaldus speech and subsequent shot of the whole battle with ships falling is fucking baller

[near wasp]

His speeches were great

[zenith sinew]

most rational 40k firearms design

[arctic talon]

It looks cool

It’s the same reason why csm use belt fed bolters on some minis

And why Space wolves, Raven guard, and night lords used belt fed bolters on their Horus heresy mini

[summer rover]

it's because they're using the heresy-model storm bolters. those were belt-fed, the later models have box mags.

[crimson kayak]

"heresy model stormbolter" aka literally two bolters strapped together

[near wasp]

Double the dakka

[summer rover]

man i love the old "saltine box" bolters so much more than the modern designs. they're exactly enough gun, in slab form!

[echo vault]

combi bolters were used because the proper storm bolter didn't exist until after the heresy

The only storm bolter that existed in 30k was for custodes terminators, lastrum storm bolter

[versed ledge]

So I gotta ask, why is melee a thing in the 41st millennia?

One would think with all that advance weaponry and tech, getting up close and personal with one's adversary wouldn't be the best course of action

[topaz gate]

Who is Vashtor? I know he’s some kind of daemon, but what’s his schtick? And why have I heard that he’s some kind of “new Chaos god?”

[vale shuttle]

because it's cool

[arctic talon]

He's a really strong daemon and he wants to ascend into becoming a chaos god, his whole thing is feeding off of technological advancement and weaponry

[vale shuttle]

vashtorr is a new minor chaos god. he's the god of technology and innovation. he supplies arms for the armies of chaos. he does not lie.

[arctic talon]

he's pretty much a daemonic arms dealer

He's not a minor chaos god yet

he wants to ascend to becoming one

he's just a very very very strong daemon right now

[vale shuttle]

no he wants to be part of the chaos pantheon

[arctic talon]

yeah

he isn't a minor chaos god tho

[vale shuttle]

so right now he's a minor chaos god cause he isn't a major one

[arctic talon]

He explicitly isn't

a chaos god

he doesn't have direct like

Daemons or possessed under him

its just him

any daemons who work with him are from other gods

or other random daemons he finds

he wants to skip the step of being a minor chaos god entirely

[storm jungle]

Basically the lazy answer is because its cool

BUT

30k actually tries to kinda explain this away

saying that humans using a primitive thing such as melee combat has more of a primordial effect on other worldly creatures like daemons

its... very fucking goofy but its there i guess

[arctic talon]

Fire/Melee works better against daemons

also the imperiums cheapest melee weapons are better at killing

then their cheapest guns

A chainsword outperforms a lasgun

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically these.

But like theres really no reason aside from "it looks cool"

anyone that tries to explain away melee combat being a necessity is basically talking out of their ass

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8t973c/any_lore_reason_for_melee_combat/

aka half the people in this thread

[arctic talon]

It isn't a necessity

for like

literally most of the factions lol

Its arguably useful for marines and custodes because

they can just slap you in the face to send your skull flying

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[arctic talon]

same with aspect warriors

and orks

but like Tau, most humans and most eldar

like don't need melee lol

[storm jungle]

like even in darktide, unless its poxwalkers most of the firefights you get into would be entirely gunfights instead of a single veteran rushing like 4 cultists with automatic rifles, he'd just get instantly shot

speaking in terms of realism at least

[arctic talon]

yeah

also poxwalkers would like

hurt a lot more

[storm jungle]

Yeee

like the moment you touch or get scarred by them oyu are pretty much fucked.

Theres a reason fighting Nurgle is absolutely horrific

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

The beast of nurgle

should melt our flesh

the moment we get close to it lol

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

[arctic talon]

The poxwalkers would fucking suck

The cultists are like less awful

[storm jungle]

yeah the cultists are just disease ridden but not that much

[arctic talon]

The cultists with guns and traitor guardsmen

would be a big issue

[storm jungle]

Yeee

theres a reason nurgle uprisings/invasions suck, you'll mostly be almost dead the moment you get near smelling range

at least with the other 3 gods and their followers you can shoot them/get toe-to-toe with most of em

[arctic talon]

yeah

[dusky wraith]

So I'm not new to the lore I have 2 years of binge watching videos but I'm interested in Arks of Omen. Don't ask why it's a secret. I've got a few Audible tokens to burn any suggestions?
None of the new books are on audiobook obviously I mean something older and really just a highlight book suggestion

[summer rover]

the actual infectiousness of nurgle's plauges tends to vary WILDLY based on the writer. i'm pretty sure the poxwalker's illness isn't a serious issue for the rejects unless they like, eat them or something. the main issue was probably the initial infection vector, not it's ability to spread.

so you just gonna make sure they don't start grinding them up to gas the rest of tertium like they did in the sector using trains like in the intro.

[dusky wraith]

Lets be real the end of the game is a bolter round in the head or the psyker becoming a chaos spawn lol

It seems like the vector is something external imo

[summer rover]

nah, it's the angels of absolution getting called in and grendyl just mass-gassing the reject barracks before sanitizing the whole wing with flames. whatever grendyl's after, as soon as he gets it he's just letting the space marines take over and the 6th is DOA.

[dusky wraith]

loool

[storm jungle]

The arks of omen don't really have any books yet atm, best you can do is watch lore summaries of each book.

well "book"

as in rulebooks

[dusky wraith]

I'm talking about older fan favorite lore books

[storm jungle]

Oh

[dusky wraith]

Not necessarily the direct story

[storm jungle]

in that case thats a broad question

[rose thorn]

this art is so fucking funny to me, its like "the most skilled bladesmen of the eldar, bound to slay their foes of the craft world" "beep boop taser goes burrr"

[storm jungle]

what faction are you interested in the most?

might be best to start from there

[dusky wraith]

I'm not even sure what my favorite is tbh give me 3 years and ill figure it out

[storm jungle]

Yeah in that case that might be a bit hard

[dusky wraith]

it takes half a decade right?

[storm jungle]

Eh kinda?

Most 40k books are pretty mediocre or shit

so you arent missing much

[dusky wraith]

im being very hyperbolic of course

[storm jungle]

the classic suggestion are like any Eisenhorn or Cain books

the usual "route" is to pick a faction you like and branch out from there tho

with xenos its easier since they barely get any books

with Imperium/humans its MUCH more broad

Pretty much everyone and their fucking mom has a novel

[dusky wraith]

ill be striking eldar off instantly im not naïve i know it's a dead end

but yeah ive already got the first Cain book

How's The Lion's heresy book? i need confirmation before investing 6 hours into it lol

[storm jungle]

Lmao uhh

the Dark Angel HH books are INCREDIBLY hit and miss

mostly miss

same with the Salamanders

they are like the two Legions who get the "all books are mostly shitty" treatment unfortunately

Lion's book tho id say is worth a read if you are interested in the DA at the very least

[rose thorn]

I totally suggest reading Lion's book adn then first of teh fallen right after

first of the fallen is unironically one of the best modern DA books

[vale shuttle]

if you like chaos then i can recommend "The Lords of Silence". it's a novel about a death guard warband, it's pretty good

[thick cedar]

Why isnt the tau, eldar, and imperium permanent allies?

[storm jungle]

Because everyone is racist

the Imperium being the biggest one

[thick cedar]

Since they all share the same enemies

[storm jungle]

Same reason no nation is friends IRL

[thick cedar]

Yeah but during times of war alliances are made for mutual survival

[storm jungle]

Well yeah these happen in 40k but are "temporary" as hell and rare.

Most Imperials would rather die first than work with anyone else

even each other at times

But basically yeah xenophobia is the main reason.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/583630047189925889/1093224865496047708/6sts65zwkvra1.png?width=705&height=391

Relevant meme btw

[thick cedar]

Ordertide Gang

[storm jungle]

🤝

If you want alliances Age of Sigmar and Warhammer Fantasy are MUCH better.

Racism still exists but its like run of the mill usual shit, its not that extreme for the most part.

[thick cedar]

in the total war games you get a buff to every order faction

they basically ignore all the negative stuff that happened before

during the end times that is

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yeah, because at the end of the day their common enemy is a threat to all of them and they all got a single world to save with all of them on it.

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/summon-the-elector-counts-karl-franz-warhammer-gif-24158006

[storm jungle]

YE BOI

[rose thorn]

literally my favorite part of the empire campaign

[storm jungle]

Karl is the best emperor

[rose thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFCP-tae6Fk

[thick cedar]

in a weird way

fantasy feels less grimdark

[rose thorn]

a genuine good guy character doen right in a grimdark world

[thick cedar]

because at the end of the day they all had the sense to go "yeah, maybe we should deal with this chaos shit first"

[rose thorn]

and i have no clue how

but karl is so fucking iconic

[rose thorn]

fantasy or AOS?

[thick cedar]

fantasy

[rose thorn]

ah, wellto be fair it was made to sell knock off dnd models

[storm jungle]

it IS still grimdark but theres still hope basically, thats what makes it great

that and the Empire of Man are not space nazis lmao

[rose thorn]

yEAH

AOS is pretty baller but i feel like their characters arent as iconic

[queen laurel]

One thing i do not like about it is the naming conventions

Ogre to ogor

[rose thorn]

for factions or characters?

[vale shuttle]

tghe imperium is downright genocidal.

[rose thorn]

OH

that shit

[queen laurel]

Yes orcs to orruks

[rose thorn]

well GW was getting sued for ripping off middle earth

[storm jungle]

Be based like me

entirely ignore it

[queen laurel]

I will say one positive thing about it is Gotrex somehow survived his world dying

[storm jungle]

He took his god Grimnir's place and then just respawned

[rose thorn]

itS SO FUCKING FUNNY THAT GOTREK IS JUST LIKE"WHAT THE FUCK AER YOU TALKING ABOUT IM A DWARF"

[storm jungle]

LEL its so good

[rose thorn]

DAMN I WANT A fyreslayer army

its like, the perfectly stupid awesome

[storm jungle]

Dont lmao

their concept is great but literally all their minis are just slayers

it gets boring FAST

[rose thorn]

Yeah i haerd its one of thsoe armeis you gotta be doing a different army at the same time

but they are my vibe

how is this not your favorite model of all time

they remind me of like, the delvers from endless legends

[summer rover]

the sculptor actively wanted to tell anyone hoping to make fyreslayers rank up to fuck themselves.

[summer rover]

taking minispreading to new, obscene levels there.

[rose thorn]

also fireslayers are my favoirte unit in the dwarf campaigns

[rose thorn]

damn i love these bastards

[storm jungle]

Okay see the difference is those ones look cool

[rose thorn]

yeah they are pretty baller

they have like, the most quests out of any minor faction in the game

im genuine suprised they didnt just make them playable they really love thse guys

[rose thorn]

if i do get fyreslayers i might just slap skulls on them and be like 'no they arent chaso they are just cosplaying'

another favorite of their sbieng the sisters of mercy

which, would be literelaly the best SoB colorschem ever

[vale shuttle]

hell eyah another endless fan

i wish we had a vaulters-style faction for 40k

[rose thorn]

im so excited for endless dungeon

[vale shuttle]

or maybe a virtual endless army

YES

dungeon of the endless is how i got into the endless universe

so i'm actually very interested in endless dungeon

[rose thorn]

I got into enldess space 2 and then legends

[vale shuttle]

endless space 2 is the best one

[rose thorn]

i have dungeon fo the endless but imterrible at ti

[vale shuttle]

yeeah im not super great at dungeon of the endless

but it's fun! and endless dungeon looks very interesting

i was doing the humankind opendev tests i love amplitude so much

[rose thorn]

i never played humankind

[vale shuttle]

my beloved strategy game company ❤️

[rose thorn]

is it good?

[rose thorn]

Sameee

[vale shuttle]

i like it but iirc it got mixed reviews

[rose thorn]

im doing my fogotten run in endless legend atm

[vale shuttle]

oh hell yeah

[rose thorn]

i made the mistake of buying tehc lol

[vale shuttle]

ampltiude's dlc is good don't @ me

[rose thorn]

its so much better just to steal it damn

[vale shuttle]

i need to go back to the mykara at some point

[rose thorn]

the academy one?

[vale shuttle]

all of it, lmao

[rose thorn]

OH

yeah the dlc is great

my only gripe is in 2 with all the bullshti with hacking

the academy use oto be the wrost thing ever but they updated it and now its amazing

i hope when AOS drops the darkelf faction its like the forgotten astehtic and not sexy murder elves

[vale shuttle]

probs gonna be sexy murder elves

[rose thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFQxwaODOOc

ITS SO GOOOD

[vale shuttle]

oohh i say that but like, gw have been okay about reducing the amount of "sexy murder factions" recently

idk.

[rose thorn]

yeah i think the daughters of khane are the perfect place to dump the sexy shit

its funny that the ha ha smexy elves hate men

I DIDNT DO SHIT TO YOU WILD WALKERS DAMN WTF

[vale shuttle]

me when the endless AI senses weakness and instantly goes for my throat:

[rose thorn]

i literally need to infultrate their capital for my quest

and they clsoe their borders

[vale shuttle]

something i've learnt about the endless AI is that it is a fucking scumbag

[rose thorn]

im pretty sure stealth an ignore it but still

[vale shuttle]

the endless AI will sense weakness, and they''ll go for your jugular

no mercy.

[rose thorn]

yeah the uh, space cops i forgot their names, the shitty vaulter skin, they stacked up their military so hard its not even funny

[vale shuttle]

yep that's an endless game

[rose thorn]

yea lmao

[vale shuttle]

i think when amplitude was making the AI they made sure the AI always built up a military cause they knew that the players would steamroll the AI otherwise

[rose thorn]

i havemuch better luck in endless space 2

[vale shuttle]

like in most other 4Xs where AI don't like buildling military

endless space 2 my beloved ❤️

[rose thorn]

i also betrayed my alliance for the science victory

But we ball

[vale shuttle]

||they would do the same to you, if the AI knew how||

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[vale shuttle]

i think the AI does eventually, like, become loyal...but it takes a while and most of the time it's just a scumbag

[rose thorn]

really i only have trust issues with the fish

[topaz gate]

How expensive is it to make baneblades? Both IRL and in 40k, because I’ve seen so many of the dang things I’m surprised they aren’t used in marine chapters. Or are they?

[rose thorn]

the empire bullies me for my lunch money and i usually curb stomp the vaulters

so it evens out

[vale shuttle]

baneblades are extremely expensive relic tech, iirc. in IRL you can uuuhh buy them for...140 euros apparently.

[rose thorn]

or just make it out of that plastic cardboard sutff

[topaz gate]

That’s not what I meant and you know it

[vale shuttle]

in the lore they're rare and difficult to produce, but because the imperial guard is very well funded they can generally field a lot

i literally don't know what you mean by "how muich does a baneblade cost to make IRL"

[topaz gate]

How much would it cost the USA to make them and send em at ISIS

[vale shuttle]

infinity dollars

[topaz gate]

Oh damn

[vale shuttle]

they'd need to make all the guns first

[topaz gate]

Do they except Starbucks gift cards?

[vale shuttle]

baneblades come with lascannons so the US army would need to invest in making lasguns

[vale shuttle]

unfortunately starbucks doesn't have a military-industrial complex arm so

i don't think they'll help

[topaz gate]

Shit

[vale shuttle]

also the baneblade has adamantine tracks

[rose thorn]

thats what they want you to belaive

[vale shuttle]

so the USA is going to have to invest in spaceflight to go and find adamantine

[rose thorn]

believe

[topaz gate]

We’ll know I wanna know what other vehicles could we make IRL. Can we make sentinels?

[vale shuttle]

i don't think we can make any 40K vehicle IRL

[topaz gate]

Or Leman Russ tanks?

[vale shuttle]

but you can cut in the other direction and look at the 40K vehicles that were inspired by IRL ones

[topaz gate]

Cool

[vale shuttle]

i dont remember which IG tank looks like that but

there is one

[topaz gate]

Kinda looks more like a Rhino

Or Chimera

[vale shuttle]

so to answer your question: i don't think we can make any 40k vehicle because we justdon't have the materials to produce them or the technology to make their weapons systems. if we did have them it'dm probably cost about as much as it costs to make any top-of-the-line tank.

for the imperium the cost is high, but it's not so high they can't continue to field a large amount of them. the imperium may be terribly wasteful and inefficient but since it has such a large industrial base it can continue to make big things all the time

[celest dome]

And the 40k Vehicle aren't really good for RL

[arctic talon]

yeah

they work because they're made out of fucking unobtanium lol

[midnight ore]

ironkin>men of iron

[odd palm]

Yeah that large tank pictured above is the land raider inspiration

[celest dome]

Ironkin=Men of Iron

[midnight ore]

ok

[green loom]

Leman Russ chassis is just an old Brit tank

At least the tracks

[green loom]

Because all 3 think they're better than the other, one wants to convert them to their way of thinking/expand their empire, one wants to use the others as meat shields to save their own people, and the last one has a superiority complex and wants to just kill the others for not being them

[dense mortar]

The Leman Russ Battle Tank is a hulking behemoth of steel and fury, its massive cannon bellowing like the roar of an angry god. Its armor plating is so thick that even a barrage of lasgun fire can barely scratch its surface. As it rolls forward on its massive treads, the very ground shakes beneath its weight.

The tank's crew, a grizzled bunch of Space Wolves, are like wolves themselves, snarling and growling as they blast apart enemy tanks and infantry with ease. The tank's turret swivels with an almost inhuman speed, tracking its targets with deadly precision.

But it's not just the tank's weaponry that strikes fear into the hearts of its enemies. It's the very presence of the tank itself. As it thunders forward, its aura of pure aggression and brutality is palpable, causing even the bravest of foes to tremble in fear.

The tank's name, Leman Russ, is a fitting one. Like the wolf-god of legend, it is a fierce and relentless hunter, striking fear into the hearts of all who would stand against it. It is a symbol of the Space Wolves' unbreakable will and determination, a manifestation of their unyielding loyalty to the Emperor and the Imperium.

Long live Russ, Long live the Allfather.

[celest dome]

Damn you're ignorant

Leman Russ Tanks are not used by SW

It's an Imperial Guard Tank

You really sound like a Spec Op from the TSons to ridicule the SW tbh

[dense mortar]

Sir, I am most certainly not a member of those heretics, and I take great offense at the mere accusation.

I challenge you to a TT duel. My SW vs your whatever. Melee only. On Fenris.

[vale shuttle]

deep cover agent made to get the darktide community against adding in any space wolf related content by astroturfing the 40k lore chat on the darktide discord

[crimson kayak]

yeah, try to fit 6 space wolves into a leman russ and what you get is basically just a big meat cube due to how cramped that shit is

im not even sure a single space marine could fit alone inside a leman russ

(and btw it's named leman russ only because space wolves found it, no other reason)

[crimson kayak]

proceeds to lose a shipment of a hundred baneblades

[celest dome]

Artificial scarcity

[near wasp]

Ah the wolf posting

[iron locust]

I wonder if the Votann would welcome that one DAoT ship with AI

[crimson kayak]

I mean why not

They literally got the Votann themselves and a bunch of men of iron

[iron locust]

Ship would probably be happier than it would be wandering the warp for eternity

[near wasp]

Its a machine, its not supposed to be happy its supposed to do its duty

[celest dome]

The Esperanza ? Most likely, though there might be League of Votaan that would see her/it as a threat

[iron locust]

Dunno the name, the one that was stuck in the space hulk

[celest dome]

Might something else

[chilly creek]

A barrage of lasgun fire barely scratches a lot of things

[crimson kayak]

armour plating so thick a tau gun can pierce it side to side and suck the entire crew out of the exit hole

like, that's literaly the worst description for a leman russ... like ever, probably only the cannon part works if it's equipped with an avenger

[chilly creek]

A more realistic one: "We strapped some guns onto a tractor and gave it the name of a Primarch as a morale booster. We didn't want it to be too demoralising when they get blown up with regularity, so we didn't pick the best Primarchs to use"

[near wasp]

Lol

Didnt lemans wolves find the stc or something?

[green loom]

It's cheap

[crimson kayak]

yep

[chilly creek]

During the Great Crusade the STC of the Leman Russ Battle Tank was discovered on Nova Borilia. The world had been part of the Noman civilization, which had enslaved a portion of humanity for millennia. The Noman were crushed by the Space Wolves, who recovered the STC and named its fruit in the honor of their Primarch

[celest dome]

What is the Avenger ?

[crimson kayak]

the minigun like gun

oh wait the avenger may be the knight one

[chilly creek]

It is

The one you're maybe thinking of is the Punisher

[crimson kayak]

yep

this one

[chilly creek]

It certainly spits out a lot of shots

[signal bramble]

Punisher Gatling is what russ tanks have. The avenger Gatling cannon is the one used on imperial knights.

[versed ledge]

Punisher rotary cannons, I wish they made that official in the dawn of war series.

[storm jungle]

There is ultimate apocalypse

it has all the Leman Russ variants

[versed ledge]

Now updated with the crucible mod, which now adds Elysians

[green loom]

Say no more

https://tenor.com/view/panko-departure-meme-gif-21229160

It must be better than Unification

Unification is so bad

[crimson kayak]

they fly now

[versed ledge]

Yes, that they do.

[versed ledge]

I mean unification wasn't that bad, it has survival mode, and plus the Slaaneshi faction has a slot fanservice and material from different games.

Imagine getting destroyed by 2B

[green loom]

EC mod is more or less just crappy fanservice

The guy added a Yor Forger

[versed ledge]

Yup!

[green loom]

There's random anime chicks popped in

Obligatory Slaaneshi Sisters

House Glaw that.... aren't supposed to be what they are

A random fire emblem lady on a traitor baneblade

[versed ledge]

and that technical support chick for the guard, I have no idea who she

Is

[green loom]

A Primaris Lieutenant Noise marine with an eldar spear and a daemonette sitting on his jumppack

[versed ledge]

Oh damn I didn't even noticed that

[signal bramble]

Wait until you see the third party interpretations of slaanesh models. >_>;

[green loom]

"Lesser" Daemonettes and "Greater" daemonettes
lesser ones just look like low poly daemonettes, the greater ones are ripped straight from like Guild Wars 2 or something

And some Heroes of the Storm bits

What other cursed crap do they have

"Pain Angels" I think?

And no Keeper

Instead it's an "Avatar of Slaanesh" iirc

[versed ledge]

Are they cute?

[crisp heath]

Yes

[green loom]

[signal bramble]

My favorite is this third party belakor model.

[green loom]

[crisp heath]

I wasn't ready for twinkgrim

[crimson kayak]

quick reminder that if we ever get a Titus miniature after Space Marine 2 it's gonna be another Primaris Lieutenant

[green loom]

I don't think I can send the Hate Angels

Hold on

[crisp heath]

We aren't getting a Titus mini unless they retcon the first game

[crimson kayak]

wait that's third party?

[copper patrol]

what the fuck is that

[crimson kayak]

wait why?

[green loom]

Giorgio Fresh!

[crisp heath]

He's captain of the second company in the first game, which means if he makes it to the tabletop he'd be competing with Cato Sicarius for the same position so the first game has to be non-canon for them to both exist

[crimson kayak]

Why is he italian

[crimson kayak]

ooooh, that's most probably gonna be soft-retconned