40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

Generic Bearded Space Wolf my beloved

[rose thorn]

WHY DOES HUS HAMMER HAVE A SHOOTING PROFILE

GW

“A mountain of a man, Arjac was large even before he drank from the Cup of Wulfen, growing to become a true giant as the Canis Helix took root within his flesh.”

Lmao, old terminators

NO

“Foehammer is more than merely a potent close combat weapon, for it incorporates an ancient miniaturised teleporter keyed to Arjac's gauntlet, allowing it to be hurled at the enemy from a distance before returning to its wielder's outstretched hand in a flash of scorched atmosphere.”

THEY GAVE HIM THE THOR HAMMER

[storm jungle]

Lmao its that one dude from castlevania

https://youtu.be/78aD-oalYHk

[rose thorn]

Wow that’s actually cool lol

[storm jungle]

It is lmao

[rose thorn]

This hammer just teleports back into his hand

[storm jungle]

i think it works better with someone like that

whos semi-lightweight

compared to a goofy ass chonky terminator

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-spacehulk-deathwing-terminator-heavy-flamer-gif-26134742

[rose thorn]

LAMO

[storm jungle]

LOOK AT EM GO

[rose thorn]

DOES HE HAVE A FLAMER LMAO

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-csgo-counter-strike-global-offensive-awp-gif-13789589

[storm jungle]

He does lmao

[rose thorn]

Also I’m hype for the new termies,

I really didn’t like the old ones but these ones look

Like actual armor

Chaos can look goofy and hunch back because chaos

Okay no mroe looking at space wolves, I just read ‘healing balm’

I will say, making reavers an anti pyker unit is a really good idea

[storm jungle]

yeah thats enough SWolves for you for one day

[rose thorn]

I wonder what they will do to SW in 10th

Oh yeah shadow wolves are sons of dorn

I wonder what being a IF successor means

[summer rover]

means they're desperate enough to pretend they're wolves to avoid being called boring.

[rose thorn]

Well they are a wiped out chapter

(And then aided in cadia but most died)

After they were wiped out

[summer rover]

space wolf chapter gets wiped out
iron fist successors: "It's free branding"

[rose thorn]

For some reason

Their purple on silver color scheme tho

It’s so good

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Shadow_Wolves

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Knights_of_Eternity

it was either gonan be teh shadow wolves or knights of eternity

shadow wolves matched my 'guerilla warfare hunter trophy taker shinnanigans'

[crimson kayak]

Man I hate that there's so many chapters that are just "unknown"

[rose thorn]

yeah, but its also great for people to just adopt and make it their own

[crimson kayak]

True

[odd palm]

Lmao, generic BA fan detected

[plush mason]

tfw the windowsexel meme is possibly true

[crimson kayak]

it's funny cause the imperial fists actually get a lot of the cool successors

unlike 90% of other successors that are literally just "parent chapter lite"

[summer rover]

i blame the crimson fists, who were their own chapter in rouge trader while the imperial fists were their loser cousins. someone made the yellow fists the parent chapter and that was a mistake.

[plush mason]

well when your founding chater is unironically the most generic of all space marine chapters you have to be a lot more original kek

[crimson kayak]

btw, now that i think about it... i want a primaris asterion moloc model now

saw people talking before about ultramarines can't pull the roman look, then i looked back at asterion and enkomi old models and they actually pulled it off great

(yes i know they are minotaurs and not ultramarines)

[zenith sinew]

Minotaurs are more Greek hoplite inspired than Roman IMO, but I think either can work for astartes if done right

[crimson kayak]

tbf when you put that aesthetic into sci fi armour it can mix quite easily

[slate gate]

There are different Types of Ogryn, wiki list (Alpha, Theta, Type IV, Type VIIa, H.S. gigantus gigantus, H.S. gigantus Cranopus, Grey Ogryns). Ours are Alpha going by voicelines. What are the differences?

[storm jungle]

Nothing

because theres no lore

[storm jungle]

Ours are just baseline ogryns. Theres no Alpha.

The only one with a bonehead implant is ironically the dumbest one out the three.

[slate gate]

Seer specifically calls out of ours being Alphas

[storm jungle]

Thats mostly as a joke.

Since Bodyguard says he should be the leader, and the others always say "lmao no"

[slate gate]

"Me not only type of Ogryn"
"They call you the Alpha type, stands to reason there should be others"
"None so pretty as me"
"It doesn't matter, all ogryns are lovely don't you think"

Other lines, "There's certainly a homo sapiens gigantus gigantus, so big they names them twice"

"I think I met a type 7 once, similar to our own brute but somehow unnerving."

[crimson kayak]

there's still no lore about them

they are just names thrown around

[plush mason]

oof

[plush mason]

ok "gigantus gigantus" seems like it means a giant Ogryn

[plush mason]

that is how it works yeah lol. like how our theorized next evolutionary form is homo sapiens sapiens

[undone zodiac]

Man the number of ultramarine succesors that are literal Smurf 2.0s

There was one which basically donate their marines to ultrasmurfs when theyve gained casualties and did pilgrimage to watch guilliman on ice

[plush mason]

iirc the ultramarines have the most successors due to them being the largest legion after the heresy and due to the size of segmintum ultramar

[undone zodiac]

Yea

And given there are cool ones

Mortifactors, nemesis, tomekeepers

[vale shuttle]

also the ultramarines have a stable geneseed and they obey the codex astartes and they aren't sus like the dark angels and imperial fists (last wall protocol)

so when it comes time for another founding the high lords are all "hmmm do we pick the insane wolf-men, the highly suspicious army that keeps murdering people to hide some secret or the vampires who frequently become raging cannibals?"

"oh wait let's just go with ultras again, simple and easy"

[undone zodiac]

Doom eagles must be my favourite

They are more like krieg guard turned space marines

Now i really want book involving those 2

[dull talon]

I have a question for you lore nerds out there that I can't seem to find online, forgetting the mere fact a heretic would be executed. Could let's say a chaos marine whom has gone through demonic transformation could they "detransform" aka turn back to a normal human. And if so, after I would assume some kind of repent procedure be accepted back into the military?

[summer rover]

i don't know how they'd prove who they were, but if they knew they would not be allowed back in. it's straight to a prison while they decide how to kill them as penance.

(dark angels might break in and take them, but that's another thing)

[vale shuttle]

Chaos is a one way street. if you go down the path of chaos and transform into a Plague Marine, Berserker, Rubric, even a noise marine - your body and mind will be so twisted there's no way back

even if you could, you'd not be accepted. betrayal is a capital offence to the Imperium, spiritual corruption is a capital offence to the Imperium

[signal bramble]

Also once they transform they become a creature of the warp.

[vale shuttle]

i swear to god 40k fans will read actual fascist propaganda retooled to use space terms and then be like "right-o guess the imperium is right to kill all the aliens." god it's so frustrating whatever happened to media literacy

rant over, sorry

[storm jungle]

This has happened a lot of times since this server has been made

some are either straight up racist or fascist IRL or have a space marine pfp

And its important to note most 40k servers dont really police its fascist/imperium apologists members, its how you get toxic servers like the Imperial Guard one lol

[dull talon]

Thanks for your answer, I was just curious 🙏

[storm jungle]

If it also helps its only possible in AOS.

other warhammer settings tho yeah oof 💀

[dull talon]

Interesting, i was just curious due to the change in the biology.

[storm jungle]

Yeah in Age of Sigmar its less science and more related to magic and the soul.

Theres been cases where warriors who devoted themselves to chaos repented or were redeemed by Sigmar to be his warriors in return.

Naturally its not the easiest process but it has happened here and there.

[vale shuttle]

yeah i see this on the various 40k Reddits all the time. its honestly a little disconcerting

[storm jungle]

GW has addressed the issue 2 times and both times has said don't be an Imperial apologist. So beats me at this point, let em have it

Average Guard stan when he wants to go into 40k and serve the Imperium and kill aliens but he ends up being in an isekai where he spends his entire 5 year life working to death in a factory choking on toxic fumes and slowly having his entire work-force and family die of starvation.

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-dead-ko-faint-gif-17440398

[queen laurel]

Best bet you reincarnate as an Ork

You literally just have to fight to live

That's what makes you happy

[vale shuttle]

bro i literally went and was reading another goddamn thread and once more i find people like "mmm yes the emperor just wanted to lift up humanity he loved them so much he made humanity reach its apex" like wtf

it's inescapable (or maybe just a bad day for this kind of imperiumposting)

[dull talon]

I really don't get why people want the Imperium to be a thing xD it's horrible. It's like the very worse bits of irl empires combined into one plus space multipled by 1000x.

[queen laurel]

Yes, and even if we did get their technology we need to f****** find a way to please machines

Because every single one has a god damn spirit

[dull talon]

Somehow, I think pleasing machines is unavoidable for humankind. Simply because humans are weird.

[vale shuttle]

sooo i think the answer is twofold

there are people who lack media literacy and they just buy into imperial propaganda or dumb memes. they'll read something like "the imperium must protect itself from the aliens because they're all coming to kill us" and then be like "yup that's true."

you see this kinda stuff really common in nerd circles. nerds seem to love reading something on the most surface level. 40k has it really bad.

then there are actual fascists who love 40k because the imperium is fascist and they're fascist and they can be all "ah yes ideal society"

it really sucks a lot and i dont like it

[dull talon]

@vale shuttle ironically those mindsets are why people actually blindly follow such regimes.

But yeah it sucks, but it's kinda expected every franchise has their crazies. Warhammer is honestly no surprise and possibly expected.

[vale shuttle]

warhammer has it the worst i think, it's just the perfect storm of context to attract people you dont want in a community

[dull talon]

Yup lol

I wanna say Star Wars isn't far off? But only saved by the fact it's less grim.

But that's going off topic

[vale shuttle]

unforunately idk about star wars that much but nerd communities have it bad

[versed ledge]

Sounds like being born in real but with the wrong roll of the dice

[desert dust]

There's a great manga where the world fighting a interdimensional war and the leader is a computer that gives them schematics for advance technology that seems impossible.
Thing is the computer is seen as never wrong so if it says your guiltily your guiltily to everyone since the computers always right.

[summer rover]

oh cool, the "warhammer fanbase's full of fascists" argument again.

neat how games workshop never actually does anything to chase them off, but then they buy the most space marines.

[arctic talon]

tbh

the Warhammer 40k discord is pretty good

but thats mostly since most of the mods are based don't play imperium

[vale shuttle]

ive been enjoying this channel of this discord. it's normally fairly pleasant.

[arctic talon]

because the mods are ontop of things

lol

[vale shuttle]

could you give me the link for the broad 40k one tho pls elite. i want to pollute it with my presence hang out or whatever

[arctic talon]

Ill dm it toyu

[vale shuttle]

ty

[undone zodiac]

Warhammer players and fallout players not understanding their setting is satire

[arctic talon]

lol

anyways if anyone says they want to live in the imperium

thats a red flag

[undone zodiac]

Yeah no thanks

[arctic talon]

and you should lobotomize them so they can get the imperium living experience

[summer rover]

they think they'll be a noble, but what they'll actually be is a sump-picker.

[arctic talon]

they're gona die in a manufacotrum

[summer rover]

then later, eaten by sump-rats.

[arctic talon]

and get turned into food

maybe

[undone zodiac]

"Hey but expenses of living are low"

[vale shuttle]

Fallout gamers be like "i love this apolitical setting. anyway Caesar kept the roads clean."

[arctic talon]

Thats because you don't get paid, or pay taxes

or even have a proper living space a lot of the times

[summer rover]

i've seen those roads, there's whole-ass cars broken down on them

[arctic talon]

if anyone actually thinks the legion is sustainable in fallout

they're fucking stupid

Even fucking caesar says it isnt sustainable

[vale shuttle]

the Legion collapses after Caesar dies doesn't it?

[arctic talon]

its like explicitly a disaster

yeah

[undone zodiac]

Thats the thing

[arctic talon]

Its not sustainable

lmao

[vale shuttle]

like 90% of all empires

[arctic talon]

that shit is in constant revolt

[undone zodiac]

Its like the tito keeping yugoslavia together

[arctic talon]

because big suprise

if you beat and opress people

they end up hating you

[vale shuttle]

||the only reason the Imperium didn't collapse after the Emperor's death is author fiat||

[arctic talon]

its because the Emperor had a direct sucessor

tbf

and its relatively decentralized

[undone zodiac]

Old stories of 40k were great. Vraks and badab

[arctic talon]

or rather sucessors

not a singular one

the imperium is a feudal tbh

[undone zodiac]

Victory was always outweighted by loss and destruction

[arctic talon]

less of an empire

more of a feudal society

[vale shuttle]

the Imperium has gone on for longer than all of human history. i don't think it's unreasonable to say that it would've collapsed if it wasn't for author fiat

which is fine tbh

[arctic talon]

true

but its come close to falling apart several times

[vale shuttle]

but it's worth understanding when talking about its efficacy

[summer rover]

also everyone was kinda wanting to call him a god at that point since he'd been god in everything but name for some time by then. them people has issues.

[arctic talon]

and it honestly should have fallen apart after those incidents arguably tbh

The imperium splitting into its segmentums prolly should have happened

when the great rift opened

[summer rover]

it shoulda balkanized into a billion chunks, but that's a lot more writing than GW wants to pay for.

[arctic talon]

yeah

lmao

this isn't warhammer fantasy

[summer rover]

i hope they shut that rift soon, it's done nothing useful.

[arctic talon]

most of the chunks of the imperium aren't fleshed out

[vale shuttle]

"im not a god guys im just super op in every single way, wreathed in golden light at all times, and am utterly invulnerable to harm from everything but God killing weapons"

[arctic talon]

I think its cool for making the imperium suffer

mostly since half of the imperium is pretty much gone lol

and under chaos's control

[summer rover]

man, the imperium makes the imperium suffer way more already.

[arctic talon]

correction

make weird imperium fans suffer

then again

I play like

2 imperium factions so

I'm part of the problem sort of lmao

[vale shuttle]

i want them to officially say that nihilis is not under imperial control and that it's the domain of chaos instead of being like "ohhhh there's a chance the crusades will unite it"

[summer rover]

i don't want more stupid chaos fiat forcing them into the main plotlines because then the "chaos are right" fanboys don't shut up and they're actually worse.

[undone zodiac]

Me discussing with guy who says "being space marine would be great"

[arctic talon]

Chaos are right fanboys are

actual like

[vale shuttle]

"chaos are right" have to either be trolls or teenagers

chaos are baby eating demon worshippers

i love chaos but they're baby eating demon worshippers

[arctic talon]

Chaos is like

fun because they're objectively evil

like everyone in warhammer

but they have like

almost 0 redeeming qualities lol

[summer rover]

every time i have to hear about khorne being the "chaos god of industry" i mentally tack another mordhiem mini onto my "grudge against GW's shit writing" bill.

[vale shuttle]

chaos are fun because unlike the Imperium they reflect an evil that isn't real

[arctic talon]

How is Khorne the chaos god of industry

[vale shuttle]

baby eating demon worshippers aren't real

[arctic talon]

HASHUT LITERALLY EXISTS

[vale shuttle]

fascism is

[arctic talon]

EXCUSE ME

[summer rover]

every time i have to hear it in person, i add five. which has happened twice, which is a little odd.

[arctic talon]

how are there that many people

who think that

when the funny CHorf god exists

what is even their logic

behind that

[summer rover]

hashut is a parody of hastur, a diety in some cults.

[arctic talon]

I am aware

[summer rover]

like how the fimir worship a god named balor, who's a minor celtic demigod.

these people don't understand the parody angle, so they think they're the same thing.

[arctic talon]

I wonder if in Warhammer old world

[vale shuttle]

Balor!!! King of the Fomorians, whose dread eye reaped destruction when it was opened

[arctic talon]

they will bring back the legendary sword toyota

I am not joking

[summer rover]

like if you had a videogame where there's a skateboarding jesus that hands out pepsi and claimed it's the lord.

the evangelicals might as well try to get the product tie-in, really. they've violated every other aspect of the bible.

[arctic talon]

lol

[uneven temple]

legendary sword toyota lmao...ahhh just mentioning toyota in context of any game reminds me of a classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u15HmEMp2Qc

[hushed kayak]

Hey guys, during the great crusade. Did Night Lords have silver trim, or gold brass on their armour? Trying to make a HH night lords army that’s accurate to their history

[vale shuttle]

pre-heresy they had silver

[hushed kayak]

oh…

[hushed kayak]

well then, he’s an odd ball lmao

[coarse pumice]

it's kind of weird he has Necromunda written in his shoulder pad now lol

[vale shuttle]

Razthak the Pariah was disgustingly unlucky. He inherited from his Primarch's gene-seed his dread power, visions of the future, but pale and distorted. When he slept and when his mind drifted he saw flashes of the next forever. A latent psyker, though he'd never know it.

He saw the rise and fall of the Imperium. He saw the Emperor enthroned. He saw the laughter of thirsting gods. It tormented him. It gave him obsessions and compulsions. He'd be caught counting to arbitrary numbers, polishing his weapons again and again, pacing up and down. If it weren't for his preternatural skill in battle he'd have been cast out - his brothers would never know that he could see what his opponents were going to do a split second before they did.

One day he was found re-plating his armour. Brass or gold or some other soft, and warm colour. His squadron asked him why and all he could say was: "I'm getting ready. You'll all understand soon." They decided it was best to leave him to his devices. One minor change would hardly matter.

[echo vault]

Is there a 40k equivalent of a mount (horse, dragon, whatever the fuck) for space marines, kinda surprising they don't outside of like maybe a land raider

[coarse pumice]

they rode dinosaurs before

[undone zodiac]

space wolves ride big wolfs

[coarse pumice]

along with some eldar

[undone zodiac]

Wolfwolfwolf

[echo vault]

oh true

logan grimnar does have his wolf sleigh

and CSM ride some of their robot things like that spider

[vale shuttle]

motorbike i think

space marine bikers are a big thing y'know

so their equivalent of ahorsey would be a bike

[echo vault]

true true, omg

Behold, the funniest vehicle

[vale shuttle]

wtf

that's so goofy

[hushed kayak]

i’m saving this

[vale shuttle]

it's yours

[undone zodiac]

Wow that literally jet turbines tied to slab of steel

[echo vault]

yes

[celest dome]

Hover technology is basically always that

Unless you have Custodes ones

[coarse pumice]

the escher jet bikes were so wacky

[echo vault]

90% of the people on that vehicle die trying to land and thats really funny

I like it for that reason its just like fuck you

[celest dome]

I really love my Eshers, best gang in Necromunda

[echo vault]

high priest bird

[vale shuttle]

old marneus calgar hits different

[coarse pumice]

found them

[thick cedar]

What would happen if all humans had a psychic awakening?

outside of the black ships having an easier job

[celest dome]

Black Ship would have a harder time

As they would not be able to know where they are needed fast enough

[hushed kayak]

This would’ve been like the age of strife, but on a galactic scale. Which would be really messed up

[celest dome]

Could even lead to the same thing that happen to the Eldar Empire or what ever happened when humanity started to have Psyker, but at a much larger scale

[thick cedar]

Big E chaos god?

[hushed kayak]

Unlikely, maybe spawning of Malal/Malice. But who knows

[celest dome]

Maybe, or multitude of smaller Gods that act as different shards of the Emperor's psyche

[hushed kayak]

never thought of that, reminds me a bit of Vashtorr

[celest dome]

Older lore would lean toward that as most likely scenario

[hushed kayak]

Yeah seeing how there’s a realm inter-between the 4 chaos realms. Would not be surprised if there was a case of smaller multi gods around the realms

[celest dome]

We already know that there was, is and will be always be lesser Gods, either some that ascended, or that would be born out of Warp Stuff

And that is if we consider that the 4 Greater Chaos Gods might also be ascended being themselves, just from previous incarnation of reality, the 1st mortal of the Great Game if we want

[coarse pumice]

there's always been different things written about them

but there was an old thought that the big 4 are like a more raw, fundamental chaotic stuff, and other things in the empyrean are mixed parts of them

[green loom]

What the hell does Malice have to do with ANYTHING

He's shitty filler stop coping

He's not real

[vale shuttle]

malice isn't canon guys i've had to come to terms with it you all do too

[coarse pumice]

so in one fall of the eldar rendition, Khaine fell into the material world because during the fall, he was as much Khorne as he was Slaanesh (where most of the rest of the Eldar psyche lay) so instead of being subsumed, shattered and fell into the material world

though much much earlier on, there was no big4 but that predates 40k

[green loom]

Damn fanbase zeroes in on the dumbest shit I swear

[vale shuttle]

malice isn't real, clone fulgrim is never showing up again, the star child will never be born, and uuuhhhhhhh

[celest dome]

I didn't dislike Malal, but it had so much more potential than what GW could have ever done

[coarse pumice]

Malal was from some comic right?

[celest dome]

The Star Child is already born though ?

[celest dome]

Yeah

[coarse pumice]

was that more in house than the little sisters of purification?

the latter was more of a fanzine probably

so I would think so

[hushed kayak]

never said, I just suggested lmao. Compose yourself

[celest dome]

Was by a separate Author, but was fully canon at the time iirc

Like Drachenfels comics

[coarse pumice]

the biggest loss was the Fimir

[celest dome]

Fimir are still present in Fantasy/AoS

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/caracal-big-floppa-floppa-prozhony-flop-gif-23506865

[vale shuttle]

help guys help a 40k fan tried to tell me i don't understand that it's fiction because i compared the imperium to the nazis what do i do?!?!?!?!?

[coarse pumice]

Fimir and Skaven are more specific to GW, compared to more ubiquitous Elves, Dwarves etc. (even if GW give them silly names to differentiate)

[hushed kayak]

is the skaven god chaos? Some people suggested it is.

[green loom]

The Great Horned Rat is the 5th Chaos God

[vale shuttle]

great horned rat is a chaos god in AoS

[green loom]

As in, officially

[coarse pumice]

all magic comes from chaos

[hushed kayak]

interesting

[vale shuttle]

the skaven already behave like chaos so it makes sense their god would become a chaos god

[green loom]

Too bad Skaven get kind of a back seat in AoS

[coarse pumice]

it's why the symbol of magic (the eight winds) is the chaos symbol, but Fantasy Battle wizards and mages know this

[celest dome]

Not all Magister knew about the Truth to Magic

[hushed kayak]

Looking some bit of lore around reddit, seems like Nurgle sort of gets along with the Horned god? Seeing how i played Vermintide, it would make sense. Unless i’m wrong

[coarse pumice]

well, the High Elves and Imperial college (who were taught by Teclis)

[hushed kayak]

my knowledge of the warhammer fantasy is garbage

[celest dome]

More so due to the End Time where Skaven worked with Chaos

Otherwise they do really like each others

Clan Pestilen once stole a Cauldron from Nurgle

[coarse pumice]

pictured

[green loom]

The Skaven can't like anyone

[celest dome]

But there is also a Clan Pestilen Lord that is secretly a Nurgle Sorcerer
Only Skaven to not be a follower of Nurgle afaik

[green loom]

Plus they're competitors anyway

[coarse pumice]

depends on the cosmology and how they see it

[vale shuttle]

where we getting chaos animals army

[coarse pumice]

exists in WHFB

[vale shuttle]

Idk they could call it beastpepple

[hushed kayak]

hmm, how does vermintide timeline play in fantasy?

[coarse pumice]

it's near the endtimes

[green loom]

Ot

It's during the end times

[vale shuttle]

oh boy time to collect my new chaos ||furries||

[hushed kayak]

end times as in current?

[celest dome]

VT1 happen right at the start, of the ET, and nor we are at about 1/3 or 1/2 of the ET

[green loom]

Yes

[hushed kayak]

do i really want to delve deeply in another warhammer lore universe

[coarse pumice]

tbh, if I were GW I would retcon the endtimes and spin of AOS into it's own universe and identity (still having the ham of warhammer like 40k does) for the benefit of both

[green loom]

You can tell because Helmgart, an otherwise very important Fortress, is both understaffed and not getting help

In game they also comment that Franz took the entire Imperial army north to fight Chaos

[hushed kayak]

franz is the current emperor of man right?

[green loom]

He was

[hushed kayak]

was?

[green loom]

By the end he gets skewered and reanimated by Sigmar

Who more or less steals his body iirc

[hushed kayak]

wow

playing total war warhammer series, i get bits of lore there. But didn’t know that was the case

[vale shuttle]

Sigmar gets to hang out on a rock and meet a wish dragon if i recall

[celest dome]

I sorta liked the Incarnates story

[vale shuttle]

(he got extremely high on LSD)

[celest dome]

Azyr Dragon something

Think with a dumb name like Dragonion

[green loom]

Only thing that sucks about it is that half the incarnates die to teleporting Skaven

[hushed kayak]

wtf

[celest dome]

Yeah, ET Skaven was just the worst lore written

[hushed kayak]

this is an actual thing?

jesus

[green loom]

Yeah they nuke the moon but it only really destroys Lustria, Snikch literally teleports around the world killing off random people

The Skaven were literally just a plot/"I win" device

[hushed kayak]

[vale shuttle]

they're just like the Tyranids!!!

[hushed kayak]

speaking of tyranids i have a feeling space marine 2 might be related to the upcoming 10th edition lore

[green loom]

Might just be a coincidence

What I want to know is how they'll fit Titus into things

[hushed kayak]

Him working for the inquisition, oh boy

[green loom]

Him being 2nd Company Captain isn't a problem anymore since Cato got depressed and is now Big G's bodyguard

[coarse pumice]

anyone remember Valten?

[green loom]

GW doesn't

[celest dome]

I'm hoping DT and SM2 mean that we'll see more games being in the current era of Warhammer.
And for Deathhulk 2 to be announced, seem about the appropriate time for it

[hushed kayak]

i have feeling this is fantasy related lol

[green loom]

Valten was the mortal Champion of Sigmar

[celest dome]

Valten was the chosen of Sigmar

[hushed kayak]

Sigmar is a legit god?

[celest dome]

Yes

But not on the level of the Chaos Gods

[vale shuttle]

Sigmar thought he was as big as the chaos god

[hushed kayak]

huh thought it was the scenario for the emperor for the 40k, when saltzpyre mouths off crazily for him

[green loom]

Chaos are scurry in Fantasy

[coarse pumice]

the big 4 are just the 4 'basic/raw' emotional ends, the others are more nuanced or specific

even the chaos tribes have their own specific stuff that flavours 'their version'

but it's all a feedback loop, as all of these things are mixed chaotically together and then manifested

[hushed kayak]

one thing i like is that khorne models for fantasy are sick, wish they added the juggernauts for 40k setting. Which they did, but the models for AoS are way sicker.

[coarse pumice]

I had a unit of juggernauts in my WB army

[celest dome]

AoS Chaos is great

Tbh, most current AoS models are great

[hushed kayak]

oh yeah they are, didn’t know until last year. You could use some of them as a unit in the 40k

[coarse pumice]

iirc in 2nd edition I think they did have rules

in 40k

but I don't have the chaos 40k dex for 2nd ed

[vale shuttle]

WORLD EATERS SHOULD'VE HAD ARMOURED DOGS

and also heavy explosive teams

y'know cause heavy explosives makes a lot of blood and gore for the blood god

[coarse pumice]

the funny thing is, I don't like 40k chaos that much, but it's one of my main Fantasy armies

probably my most played one back when there were lots of people playing

[queen laurel]

Out of Curiosity why don't you like the chaos of 40k

[celest dome]

I dislike them because they are SM

[queen laurel]

SM?

[celest dome]

Space Marines

[storm jungle]

yeah chaos is entirely represented by chaos marines

[queen laurel]

Ah fair

[storm jungle]

compared to AOS and Fantasy

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah i can see that

[storm jungle]

Chaos Warriors were also the O.G "Evil Dudes in Big Armor Serving Dark Gods."

https://tenor.com/view/warriors-of-chaos-warhammer-total-war-warhammer-fantasy-total-war-warhammer-gif-19342707

[queen laurel]

Now that you mention it the fantasy ones have a lot more variety, even though yes most of them is represented by armored people they give enough screen time on other things that it doesn't get pale

[storm jungle]

yea they are the badass evil guys

and fill that role very well

[coarse pumice]

something about the aesthetic [ironically, I quite like the non marine chaos models], and how they're positioned based around chaos marines (and how primarchs have become like 'superheroes' which I have never been that interested in); I also prefer the more 'down to earth' marines of the early days too

[queen laurel]

One thing i also like in fantasy is combining big armor and an orcs i definitely like this guy

[storm jungle]

Black Orks are great

[queen laurel]

Yes they look sick

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

And also pretty grounded

Like it it looks practical for them to wear something like that

[storm jungle]

Yeah its just heavy plating from the things they forged or stole, its great

[queen laurel]

That's one thing i also like about fantasy it's ridiculous and also a bit more believable

[storm jungle]

Its basically just real life middle ages with fantasy monsters

[queen laurel]

Yes, but it also has very ridiculous elements that doesn't make it a very boring

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

Its why I cant play settings like WoW or get into them, there its just AoS but literally worse.

the touch of reality/groundedness to the whole thing makes it easier

[queen laurel]

Yes, it's ok to not have something very realistic but you know it doesn't hurt to have some

The way it mixes ridiculous and grounded elements

[sleek wigeon]

I think thats the appeal to Warhammer in general
yes its fiction but its grounded, a little bit like gears of war

[queen laurel]

It's absolutely perfect

[storm jungle]

Yeah its what ı say everytime people are like

"Warhammer isnt trying to be realistic"

except all the times when it sometimes is

it has to be a mix of both

[celest dome]

Gears of war is grounded ?

[storm jungle]

Id say so tbh

its pretty brutal in its groundedness too

[queen laurel]

Compared to most sci-fi I've seen yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeah this

its literally just "advanced earth"

[queen laurel]

I mean it does have questionable elements but what type of series doesn't have any questionable elements

[sleek wigeon]

the chainsaw bayonet may be a little rediculous but iirc it was also there for cutting down thick jungle

[storm jungle]

yeah its not for combat use

the lore says if you try that you will get bone splinters launching into you

and it requires lots of maintenance

[queen laurel]

I guess that's what makes their armor a lot more useful

And why carmines don't get blinded

[storm jungle]

Its that sort of thing where "this is stupid why would the army make this."

Then you remember all the inventions the IRL militaries of the world has made and see why

[queen laurel]

Because they're smart enough to wear a helmet

[storm jungle]

also that

[sleek wigeon]

another lore tidbit I like is the chainsaw lancers being used over the bayonetted ones because of how thick locust skin was

cant remember where it was mentioned but that one always makes sense to me

[storm jungle]

Yeah locust are basically skaven orks

so it makes sense

[queen laurel]

Yes, i would think that would make sense considering the fact some locust have skin tough enough to resist the god damn hammer of dawn

I'm looking at you berzerker

[storm jungle]

Bitch is a tough nut to crack 😔

[sleek wigeon]

its one of those series where you could take bits of it and throw them into 40K, nobody would be none the wiser

[queen laurel]

It's practically a bipedal armored rhinoceros, it's blind and it kills everything near it

[sleek wigeon]

the Armadillo looks a little like a Votann vehicle

[storm jungle]

Yeah the COG aesthetic is very votann

its the whole smooth look to the vehicles

[coarse pumice]

re: complaints about bright colours - they serve a purpose of quick identification of friends/foes in a chaotic situation where you need to act fast

[sleek wigeon]

like this is beat for beat a votann sagitaur

[storm jungle]

bruh literally the same car

OH MY GOD

[queen laurel]

Did warhammer rip off something again

I swear to god

[sleek wigeon]

took inspiration
its far enough from the original

[storm jungle]

I think its more that you don't see this aesthetic anywhere else but goddamn its literally almost EXACTLY the same.

[queen laurel]

Yes i will agree

But holyshit

The similarities

[sleek wigeon]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

OOF hitting us with the time-travel beam for that one

[crimson kayak]

because in fantasy your only options weren't as cultist cannon fodder or trying to become a daemon prince if you were a human lol

[crimson kayak]

those are clearly megablocks

[green loom]

WoW also never goes anywhere

It just has layers of stupidity stacked on top of eachother

At least in AoS/40k you have this set of gods, another set of gods, and no real bullshit in between

And then you explore the setting and how the factions function from there

WoW and other crappy fantasy does world building to start, then goes crazy with weird magic bullshit

[coarse pumice]

in WoW the characters started feeling like superheroes

and then becomes boring

[green loom]

Big faction war expansion
Faction war is sidelined

Ok bruh

99% of the war plays out in text

[crimson kayak]

warhammer lore be like

[green loom]

Yeah but that's par for the course here

In WoW you don't see the war reflected anywhere except a handful of new zones and some text on a facebook game

[echo vault]

Marvel comics have used tau vehicles on multiple occasions lol

[coarse pumice]

[queen laurel]

Bro

The one on the right is literally an exo suit

[crimson kayak]

they also used a bolt pistol and eldar vehicles

[storm jungle]

DONT DO IT NORMAN

[queen laurel]

Oh my god

It's literally the shape of a bolt pistol

[crimson kayak]

atleast they tried to modify it with the goofy paintball magazine and grappling hook inside the barrel

[celest dome]

Is the panel aattached to the bolter or is it a perspective thingy ?

[crimson kayak]

attached

[queen laurel]

Yeah but like atleast try to change the shape

[crimson kayak]

btw this one is even funnier when you learn that he didn't even draw them

they are literally renders of the old dark crusade models

[vale shuttle]

Dark Crusade keeps winning

[echo vault]

I've only played soulstorm

[vale shuttle]

dark crusade is how i got into 40k

my friend lent me dark crusade on a cd disc when i was i think 7, or maybe 8

[crimson kayak]

btw, related to the "horus moves at the speed of fast" meme

[crimson kayak]

dark crusade made me buy the whole old dow gold edition package

[vale shuttle]

dark crusade is rad as hell and i eternally strive to make 40k campaigns that feel like it

[queen laurel]

I remembered when i played the game on the local computer shop i didn't know what i was doing but i sure remember that the first thing i picked was gorgutz

I have it installed in my pc just in case i'm bored

[green loom]

DoW was one of the first things I played alongside Medal of Honor and Stronghold Crusader

I wouldn't figure that out until like 2014 or so

Where I found it after having vague memories of this rts game

And the only things I could recall were the original icon, the intro cutscene, portions of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd mission and nothing else

[queen laurel]

Same, Gorgutz silhouette was living rent free on my head for the rest of my life

And of course i found it again

[green loom]

I specifically remembered the guard for some reason, so it comes as no surprise they're probably my favourite faction

I found it after looking up "Game icon with skull over gate" or something

[queen laurel]

I guess this was one of the reasons why i'm very fond of the Orks was because i picked them

[green loom]

And for like 3 months I was looking for this thing called "Warhammer"

Now as a 12 year old with a decent albeit loose grasp on English it was pretty hard to find

Kept finding battle reports lmao

Recall one being "Luke's Ultramarines vs Chaos" or something

[crimson kayak]

man the intro's of dow were absolute bangers

[queen laurel]

The soulstorm one is my least favorite one

The campaign

[crimson kayak]

obviously

[queen laurel]

I mean the other cinematics show the faction that was added

Soulstorm just kicked the dark elders in the knees

[crimson kayak]

tbf dark crusade doens't have tau

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah

[crimson kayak]

and winter assault doesn't count as it doesn't have an intro cinematic

[queen laurel]

But i will say the original dawn of war opening cinematic

Definitely top tier

[crimson kayak]

the fucking marine captain shout shall live forever free in my memories

[rich patrol]

The emperor never ruled the imperium that he made

[signal bramble]

He didn’t really intend to. It was his goal that the human bureaucracy would be the ones running things and enforcing his edicts while he directed their efforts.

He always intended the imperium to be for humans and ruled by humans.

[rich patrol]

Well he must be proud the imperium is a religious jihad state

[vale shuttle]

is this really tue? ive not seen an exerpt for it. ive even seen one that's prety much against it\

[celest dome]

From what we know the Emperor was saying he was a gonna be a good leader and implement a democratic and just order, but showed very much the other way around

[signal bramble]

Most rulers don’t manage the day to day goings on of their realms. Having a bureaucracy to run things was malcador’s idea. If big E didn’t want that he wouldn’t have had them go active.

Big E was working on his webway, the golden throne, etc. he had better things to do than focus on running the imperium.

[vale shuttle]

no i mean about him not wanting to rule

i dug out this excerpt that's the emperor saying explicitly that he as ruler as the only way humanity can be saved

`A crusade, then an empire, all beneath one man’s banner.

Everything that has happened, will happen again. It is the way of things. Yet humanity’s death will eclipse the eldar’s annihilation tenfold, for we are evolving into a far more psychically powerful race. Uncontrolled psychic energy will tear reality apart. The warp’s entities will feed on the carcass of the galaxy. There must be control, and control must be maintained.+

‘Control…’ Ra repeated. The scale of such ambition…

The necessity of it. Lest mankind face a far harsher extinction than the eldar. Their souls shine bright within the warp, drawing the predations of the beasts within its tides. Soon, every human soul will become a beacon of fire.+

How, Ra wondered. How can you know? What other unbelievable futures have you foreseen? How can evolution itself be conquered and controlled?

Through vision, Ra. We see the warp as an alternate reality, and this is so. It is a mirror, reflecting our every thought and action. Every hate, every death, every nightmare and dream, echoing into eternity. We break into this place, into a realm that harbours the pain and suffering of every man and woman and child to ever live, and we use it to sail between the stars. Because we must. Because until now there has been no other choice.+

‘The webway,’ Ra murmured into the silent night.

The webway. Mankind is ascending. Humanity is taking a great developmental step, evolving to a psychic race. Uncontrolled psykers are lodestones for the warp’s touch. A species comprising them would suffer as the eldar suffered. And for the eldar, this evolutionary juncture was their final step before destruction. I will not let humanity be destroyed by the same fate. The eldar had the answers within their grasp but were too naive and too proud to save themselves. They had the webway, which could have been their salvation. But they never fully severed their connection to the warp. Their soulfires drew damnation upon their entire species.’`

[signal bramble]

I think we’re mixing up whose in charge vs whose actually doing the work.

[vale shuttle]

ohhh nno i see what you mean now

we're in agreement. the emperor would run things he'd just have a giant beauraucracy full of thugs to make sure things worked the way he wanted

[signal bramble]

Yeah I just woke up so I’m not really conveying it the way I mean to.

[vale shuttle]

how about we agree about this:

the emperor would've never ceded power, he jujst would've let humans run things a little more

he'd still be THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND

[signal bramble]

Yeah pretty much.

Presumably if he ever completed his goals he’d be content to let humanity run itself and step in only if he had to.

[vale shuttle]

mmmmaaayyybbbeee

[signal bramble]

The primarchs and Astartes would be mostly gone as well.

[vale shuttle]

i think if he'd ever succeeded he'd probably invent some new foe

like, i really don't see the emperor as sitting back down and being like "job's done"

[signal bramble]

The jobs done thing wouldn’t be for an extremely long time. Like he’d have compete dominance of the galaxy, all Orks are gone, the webway is under human domination, the necrons are defeated, the Eldar are wiped out or permanently contained, etc.

It would probably have taken over 10k years for all that!

[vale shuttle]

olh you mean "Big E's wet dream" where he gets to do all the genocide he can fantasise about

yeah i guess. but really that work seems neverending. especially when i bet he'd one day be like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtjkWaQNNMM

[signal bramble]

I don’t feel bad about genociding Orks and necrons, they’d do the same to us without hesitation.

[vale shuttle]

and just fucking go straight into the uuuhhhh warp to try and stab Chaos to death

[signal bramble]

They’re not a made up existential threat. Same with the druks.

[rose thorn]

khsuahaAHAHAHSHDHAGDGAHAHAH

Omg tjats hilarious

I came to ask why deathguard has a handful of unique vehicles only to them?

[coarse pumice]

iirc, I think they at one point wanted to do separate full 'cult' armies

with their own main identity, and Death Guard were the start of it

[vale shuttle]

for some reason when they did the death guard revamp they gave them a full overhaul instead of a half overhaul like thousand sons and world eaters

i hope that in the coming years the world eaters and thousand sons will be brought up to death guard level

[sleek wigeon]

I am hoping heretek/dark# mechanicus get something similar

[green loom]

Morty apparently got up to some designing of his own while bored on the Plague Planet

Also the drones are a nurglefied heresy thingy

[rose thorn]

Nurgle do be engineering

[vale shuttle]

Mortarion filled a balloon with daemon flies and was like "alright new weapon just dropped"

[celest dome]

Wasn't there a rumour that TS would become able to take some sort of AoS/Crossed units in the future ?

[green loom]

Thought they already had some of the AoS Tzeentch monsters

[celest dome]

Daemon are crossed, but I think the rumour was about mortals

Like mutants or something that both Tzeentch Arcanite and TS would be able to access or something

[vale shuttle]

Tzaangors?

TS can take Tzaangors

[celest dome]

Those are already there

[vale shuttle]

it's all Tzaangors all the time baby

if you want Tzaangors we got Tzaangors. Tzaangors here and Tzaangors there. who doesn't love Tzaangors. Tzaangor detachment in 10th? new Grand Tzaangors (aka Grangors) coming soon.

i haven't heard anything about TS being able to take AoS units. tbh i think thousand sons should get a psychic dreadnought, and probably their own type of daemon engine

[celest dome]

Can't find anything

[vale shuttle]

damn that kinda sucks i have a friend who just got into thousand sons and having some news about new stuff for him would be nice

[celest dome]

Jokes on you, Darktide next Faction is a Tzeentch Cult but it's exclusively Tzaangor (Though tbh I think a Tzaangor melee Elite would be good for a Tzeentch Faction9

[arctic talon]

They had the luxury of being a launch army

For an edition

So GW have them a lot more love

[sleek wigeon]

i feel that as an admech fan in a sea of kataphron

[vale shuttle]

TZAANGOR AREA???? TZAANOGR???? TZAAGNNAASDFOR???? TZZZZAAAAAAOANDSDSDOSDOIF

[celest dome]

I had a Skit soup for a while, gave it to an ex as I didn't really play anymore

[vale shuttle]

tzaanogrs are the worst cultist unit

poxwalkers and jackals are both fire, they both fit their armies really well but tzaangors just kinda...

don'rt

[celest dome]

I like them in AoS; not in 40k though

[vale shuttle]

oh yeah im exlcusively talking about 40k

i ccant comment about them in AoS

[celest dome]

Not sure what the Tzeentch Bruisers/Melee should be.
Like the Horde is easy, as you can simply have Thralls/puppeted civies

[crimson kayak]

Tzaangoors as the specials and cultists as fodder/ rest humans

[celest dome]

1h Thunder Hammer can they exist ?

Tzaangors for the melee elite

[crimson kayak]

Don't termies use them?

[celest dome]

But they are normal THammers, just look small in their hands

Tzaangor (Or better yet, Mutant) Mauler and Ragers, but Gunners and Shotgunners being normal cultists

[coarse pumice]

terminators are a mounting platform to be fair

they can move and fire heavy weapons that normal armoured marines can't carry

but termi armour is much more restrictive

[celest dome]

I'm mostly wanting to see Paired Skull Splitters (Warrior Priest) being turned into a Twin Thunder Hammers

[crimson kayak]

Nope, the 2 handed are heavy thunder hammees

[green loom]

WHY THE FUCK DOES ADEPTUS RIDICULOUS EARN SO MUCH

I nearly had a stroke looking at it

What the fuck

[celest dome]

Aren't Heavy Thunder Hammer something else, which is used only ba the DW ?

[crimson kayak]

Dunno, there's definetly a good bunch of people using one handed ones through

[celest dome]

There are so many weapons that I'd want ported from VT2 to Darktide

Holding a weapon 1h =/= Using a weapon 1h

Though, as long as no lore really say that Human pattern THammer don't exist in 1h pattern it's fine by me

[crimson kayak]

Tbf the lore says that a normal thunder hammer strike should make anyone not in terminator armour would be knocked over by the blast

Meanwhile zealot

[copper patrol]

normal space marine one

or normal human one

becuase that is fucking stupid tbh

[queen laurel]

Heavy Thunder hammer, is that like the one from the space marine game

[crimson kayak]

Dunno, we don't even know what patterns actually exist

[crimson kayak]

Technically yes

But apparently they are deathwatch exclusive

And technically can lobster-crack a carnifex body with one strike

[coarse pumice]

normal thunder hammers iirc were always 2 handed, not allowing an additional attack with a pistol or second close combat weapon in older editions

but you could always use 2 handed weapons with shields for some reason

[queen laurel]

If you want a one handed blunt power weapon you would go for a power maul

[coarse pumice]

yeah

[queen laurel]

I don't remember any one handed power hammers

[celest dome]

Still would prefer Twin Hammers, than Twin Maul

Just cooler

[signal bramble]

Theoretically you could wield a normal hammer with one or two hands.

[coarse pumice]

terminator armour

[coarse pumice]

though space marines end up using them one handed anyway, they still couldn't combine them to get an extra attack

[queen laurel]

My idea very simple

2 power fist/power klaw hybrid with twin linked shootas

And i will call it the gloves of Gork

[celest dome]

But would he use it in melee while having the pistol out or drop the pistol to use it 2h

[signal bramble]

In the farsight novels there’s a chapter master with terminator armor that uses two power fists.

[celest dome]

Like that DoW dude

[celest dome]

Doesn't Galgar do that ?

[queen laurel]

Yes, similar But also has the punching power of a power fist

And definitely a lot bigger

[signal bramble]

Yes but his has guns worked in to it. This chapter master was all melee.

He was going to punch the Tau and nothing else.

Linked bolters.

The Scar Lords chapter master with his double power fist wasn’t about that life.

[celest dome]

Does Tyberius have ranged weapon on his fist thingy ?

[signal bramble]

I don’t know.

[vale shuttle]

goddamn i love that future cityscape

[coarse pumice]

you know, I always ran my assault terminators with thunder hammers and storm shields rather than lightning claws

[vale shuttle]

where can i get terrain for that for my games pls

[queen laurel]

If you're talking about his weapons hunger and slake, it's a power fist with power claws and under bite chainsaws

[crimson kayak]

It's all claw and chain

[queen laurel]

Don't forget the blunt force trauma of getting hit with the fist

[crimson kayak]

You'll be dead before the fist part even reaches you lol

It's more as a cleanup to not have the chains stuck

[celest dome]

I very much prefer those kind of Chain fist rather than the normal ones

[queen laurel]

Yeah, hunger and slake are one of my favorite melee weapons in warhammer 40k

[coarse pumice]

power fists have always been really weird

[crimson kayak]

What's weird about "big fist"

[coarse pumice]

they have the cumbersome rules and stuff, but punching isn't really that cumbersome right? and it makes me think if they were meant to be crushing weapons (since their rules are often the same as power claws, which are crushing weapons)

so have we been thinking they punch all this time incorrectly

when they're actually grabbing weapons

[crimson kayak]

Tbf it would be pretty cumbersome moving around with hell boy's arm

[coarse pumice]

any more than a huge axe?

[queen laurel]

It's a giant metal fist, if you can throw a one inch punch using that thing you are just incredibly strong

[coarse pumice]

and then they have much more strength (or did at least) than power axes, for example

[crimson kayak]

(also remember tabletop rules don't always reflect full canon)

[queen laurel]

Game mechanics and lore are very different

Yes

[snow dock]

I mean yeah game lore wise anyone fighting a knight is kinda fucked less it's nids or Orks

[celest dome]

You mean Imperial Knights ?

There are tanks made for that

[snow dock]

Just knights in general chaos, freeblade or imperial

[queen laurel]

Yes, an ork will throw a harpoon at the knight and somehow that harpoon is strong enough to pierce the shield and directly pierce through the knight's armor

[snow dock]

I know that but they are some what rare depending on the regiment and war front

[snow dock]

Orkz iz best

[crimson kayak]

most regiments are combined arms

[celest dome]

Well they aren't fielded unless they know that they are gonna be needed

Also I think a normal Tank can still be somewhat of a threat to a Knight, for a Titan, yeah, those need to have a Titan Killer tank

[arctic talon]

Tanks can kill knights easily

As can infantry with anti tank weaponry

[queen laurel]

Beast snaggaz with nothing but harpoons and just cavalry

[snow dock]

I mean true enough tanks and AT can kill a knight but knights can also most likely one tap most tanks the guard has space marines am not so sure on as they get all the fancy toys usually

[arctic talon]

Tbf

The guard have a lot of tanks

That’s why knights are always deployed with support

And usually aren’t dumped into urban environments

[snow dock]

Aye, but it also has a lot of bureaucracy

[queen laurel]

90% of their support weapons are tanks

They have tanks for saving other tanks

[versed ledge]

The imperium is bureaucracy defined

[arctic talon]

If the guard don’t have tanks in a battlefield

[queen laurel]

Tanks for transport

[arctic talon]

Then like

Something else is wrong lol

[queen laurel]

And tank fortress

[arctic talon]

The guard don’t deploy without tanks and artillery

[snow dock]

Tanith first and only

[arctic talon]

It’s a core part of their military strategy

[versed ledge]

They have other weapon systems, the guard can survive without tanks

[arctic talon]

Again they get deployed with other regiments

[queen laurel]

But they make up a lot of their attack force

[arctic talon]

They’re not a tank regiment

[snow dock]

Catachans

[arctic talon]

The catachans literally love tanks

[versed ledge]

Elysians

[celest dome]

Drop Tank

[arctic talon]

Elysians get deployed with armored regiments

[snow dock]

They love the flamer one

[arctic talon]

And they have anti armor

[versed ledge]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Via sentinels

[queen laurel]

Yes those guys are specialized in very specific fields

[arctic talon]

You’ll be hard pressed to find a guard regiment that doesn’t have some form of armored support

[celest dome]

And even those specialized dudes are fielded alongside other regiments

[arctic talon]

Also catachans love artillery as well so

So armor is sort of a non issue sometimes

[versed ledge]

What about the rich posers known as the Scintillans?

[queen laurel]

Yes you're not going to win a battle, using pure drop troops

[snow dock]

Well yeah they use artillery alot to blast their planet to bed rock so they can have a place to stay for a year or two

[versed ledge]

Sure they have tanks, but do they have balls of tungsten that each guardsmen have

[queen laurel]

No matter the circumstances armored support is very appreciated when it can be used

And in the warhammer universe

You will need a lot of them

[arctic talon]

If I had a nickel for everytime the elysians died horrifically in imperial armor

Because they didn’t bring anti armor

[snow dock]

I mean tanks are nice but id rather have titan support

[arctic talon]

I’d have 5 nickles

[arctic talon]

Tbf if there’s a titan something else has gone wrong

And you prolly don’t want to be infantry

[snow dock]

Depends on the titan

[arctic talon]

Titans deploy in groups

If there’s a single imperial titan

[versed ledge]

Personally rather have something light and fast, especially for open field combat, or tight quarters.....

[celest dome]

You don't field thing against a Titan other than Titan and Titan Killers

[arctic talon]

Part of the collage is present

[versed ledge]

Which is odd because most battles occur in open field

[arctic talon]

Warhounds always deploy in groups of 2

[queen laurel]

aren't Those guys deployed on absolutely horrible battlefields

[arctic talon]

Yes

Lol

The type of battlefields

Where space marines are arguably cannon fodder

[snow dock]

If it's a warlord or imperator, you might wanna just suicide charge the enemy as it be better than living, ignite a warhound its fine just some tougher resistance than expected

[arctic talon]

Okay but warhounds are always in a group

[versed ledge]

What's a guardsman then if a space marine becomes fodder

[arctic talon]

There’s no such thing as a singular warhound

Being deployed

[arctic talon]

A speed bump

[snow dock]

Yeah they are "scout titans"

[arctic talon]

The moment titans pop up the scale of battle changes heavily

Wether they be imperial or eldar or ork

[snow dock]

A term that will never not be funny to me

[arctic talon]

Tbf

[versed ledge]

"Scout" my ass, that's like sending a battle tank to do scouting in a peaceful neighborhood

[arctic talon]

Warhounds aren’t allowed in groups bigger then 6

After the siege of terra

I’ll give you one guess why

[versed ledge]

Horus?

[snow dock]

Fucking horus

[crimson kayak]

cacophony of extremis six be like

[arctic talon]

Warhounds razed most of terra

During the siege

[queen laurel]

And then you realize that the orks deployed an armored column consisting of a mega gargant with great gargant support, and now you're watching rockem-sockem with space lasers

[arctic talon]

In large groups lol

[versed ledge]

Ork titans, titans in general, how does anyone even hope to fight such things...

[snow dock]

I mean I think fighting Orks is the best way to go out, least they have a funny way of talking

Maybe you'll be lucky enough to see da goth rockaz

[arctic talon]

With big guns and planes

[versed ledge]

Before one get a grot bursting out of their chest

[arctic talon]

Titans usually don’t have great anti air

Exceptions exist(eldar titans)

[celest dome]

Use other Titans, Orbital Drops, infiltrate or Titan Killer Tanks

[arctic talon]

But titans are meant to level armies

[snow dock]

Imperator class titans

[arctic talon]

Imperator class titans don’t have great anti air

[snow dock]

Or "THE CHURCH WITH GUNS"

[arctic talon]

They have mostly long ranged artillery

[celest dome]

Like either even the Playing field or play dirty

[arctic talon]

Funny cannon

[queen laurel]

I think ork titans would have decent anti air considering how many guns are attached on a basic one

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

The amount of rockets missiles machine guns

[arctic talon]

But that comes with the usual ork caveat

Of you know

Quantity over quality lol

[versed ledge]

It's basically a walking hard point with ork titans

[arctic talon]

Tbh the tau have the most sane response to titans

Which is to use a supersonic space craft

[versed ledge]

Hence why Tau is best faction

[arctic talon]

To do drive bys with a massive railgun

[versed ledge]

Tau'va ideology is iffy at best, but best the imperium's

[snow dock]

Pretty sure they have flak guns in the spires plus their void shields make air attacks semi redundant

[queen laurel]

Oh you want a shoot off?

Let me just get the bad moonz klan

[versed ledge]

Seems familiar too with east Asian cultures, the needs of the many outweigh the few

[crimson kayak]

wait... that's ALL tau tactics

[arctic talon]

Those are battle cannons lore wise

[versed ledge]

You forget burst guns and missiles

[arctic talon]

Not flak cannons

[snow dock]

cough adeptus custodes cough

[versed ledge]

Muscle marines that are just more amped up due to space roids

[crimson kayak]

btw don't forget tau got the stormsurge too for that "point at a titan and say delete" extravaganza

[arctic talon]

The dataslate of grudges

[versed ledge]

But lore wise, who really is the "good guy" in this insane universe?

[arctic talon]

HHAHAHAHAHA

[snow dock]

No one

[arctic talon]

good joke

The most benign evil award

Goes to the tau

They’re still a imperialist authoritarian society

[versed ledge]

At least it's sensible evil

[snow dock]

If we wanna go the least evil then it's the Orks they only want to have the best fights

[queen laurel]

The closest you're going to get is the farsight enclaves

[arctic talon]

Orks literally torture people to death

Because they like the funny noises

[queen laurel]

On our moral standpoint they are the best

[arctic talon]

^

[versed ledge]

With just enough freedom to keep people happy, also the farsight enclaves are the best

[snow dock]

All on good fun

[arctic talon]

No

They know it hurts

That’s why they do it lol

Same with the burny dance

[snow dock]

Yeah it's fun for the Orks

[arctic talon]

They’re very aware it isn’t fun for their enemies

[queen laurel]

Well that's the result of their absolutely ridiculous pain tolerance

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But they’re still aware

[crimson kayak]

and that's if next book farsight doesn't finally turn to chaos seeing what happened in arks of omen

[arctic talon]

What they’re doing is wrong to an extent

They just don’t care

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah

[arctic talon]

Which meh

But the orks are absolutely evil

[snow dock]

Orks are only looking for the good krumpin, da humies are the ones trying to shut down their party

[snow dock]

I'm not saying they aren't

[queen laurel]

On our moral standpoint yes they are evil

But in that Universe

[arctic talon]

I mean we see everything from our moral standpoint

[snow dock]

But like everyone else is way more evil

[arctic talon]

They’re like mid

To low

[snow dock]

But we can all agree the drukari are the most evil

[queen laurel]

Oh definitely

I don't care that they need to do it in order to live

[arctic talon]

Baby eating competition

[arctic talon]

The thing is they don’t technically

They could give it up entirely

But they don’t

[snow dock]

If they give it up they die and go to slaannesh

[arctic talon]

Again

They can begin following a path

And get a soul stone

[queen laurel]

Wow i lost the hope i never thought i had for them

[arctic talon]

But they don’t want to

They can even become a Corsair

And feed on less pain

And feed more so on the fact they’re just raiding shit

But no

Torture is fun

And it makes them feel good

[crimson kayak]

now that i think about it, do we ever see chaos marine aspirants?

[summer rover]

they're like cryptobros. they could stop at any time and make a living in a normal way, but they don't want to admit their "suck the life out of others in a crazy pyramid scheme" lifestyle isn't sustainable.

[celest dome]

Does the Daemonculaba count ?

[crimson kayak]

lolnope

[storm jungle]

To be fair in dark eldar's case they are right

being evil is funny (:

compared to crypto bros who will never go anywhere and accomplish anything

[echo vault]

What's the name of khorne blessed beastmen? It's tzaangor pestigor and slaangor

Khornegor is just too stupid

[quiet burrow]

https://youtu.be/7wFTmUcq5bo

For those who cry about it.

[celest dome]

Tzaangor, Slaangor, Pestigor and Khorngor
Bloodbull/Khornebull, Plaguebull, Slaanbull and Tzaanbull

Bloodgor have also been used iirc

[heavy bison]

Bloodgors seem to have a bit of a mix of portrayals, sometimes they're just khorne style Goat Men but other times they're described as canine.

Gonna sci-fi up some Werewolf models for mine.

[summer rover]

basically, one is for tabletop and the other's for lore. khorne's canoncially got the face of a hound, not a wolf, so it's a blessing to recieve a face like his, but nobody wants to buy that and GW doesn't' wanna make more sculpts so "goat, but RED!" became the norm.

[heavy bison]

Eh, Hound, Wolf, close enough.

[celest dome]

Each God has animalistic traits that appear in lore, but never really in TT/minis

[green loom]

Nurgle be like
"Froge"

[celest dome]

Like Canine for Khorne
Serpentine and Crab for Slaanesh
Birb for Tzeentch
Amphibian for Nurgle

And Insectoid

[arctic talon]

Birb

[echo vault]

thanks

[summer rover]

pretty sure nurgle's traits are from slugs. mucus and the big foot-tails and such. his face isn't animalistic it's just a rotted jack-o-lantern with bad breath.

[echo vault]

would nurgle prefer snails or slugs

[celest dome]

Well he does have both as Lesser Daemon

Though we see the Slug more often

Even here

But the Muccoloid is a Snail Daemon of Nurgle

[heavy bison]

I mean you do see it reflected in their demons.

Toads of Nurgle
Flesh Hounds and Bloodthirster's of Khorne etc.

[celest dome]

Fiends of Slaanesh

Lord of Change for Tzeentch

[heavy bison]

Yeah

[copper patrol]

in fantasy iirc the norscans sometimes refered to the gods with animal names

[celest dome]

What do you think the Changeling is ? Daemon wise ?
And yes the did do that (Though most tribes had their own animals)

[copper patrol]

hound for khorne, serpent for slaanesh, crow for nurgle and I think raven for tzeentch

[storm jungle]

I mean the Imperium is marketed as the good guys because money lol

Theres a reason you won't see a space marine crushing the head of an innocent rebel that wants to free his planet of Imperial tyrannary in a store somewhere.

[heavy bison]

I mean, we just need to make one.

[storm jungle]

Snails

theres literally models of it

[heavy bison]

The Grandfather is wise.

[storm jungle]

(:

[heavy bison]

I love the nurgling on a stick to guide the Nurgsnail.

[storm jungle]

Nurgle models have so much creativity

its like the modellers having fun for once lol

[green loom]

That moment when the modellers can make something not space marine

(In short: AoS)

[storm jungle]

"I DONT GET IT, WHERES THE ROCK WE HAVE TO POSE HIM ON"

🪨

[heavy bison]

Fuck tactical rock, Tactical snail

Is where its at.

[storm jungle]

fr fr

[coarse pumice]

tactical frog

[heavy bison]

I need to find a 3d printed lil' snail to give one of my Moebians as a pet.

[celest dome]

Slug

[green loom]

"Fuck your Rock"

[summer rover]

straight decided the best use of the tactical decorative rock was to make the rock the focal point of the mini

[crimson kayak]

Says while standing on a bunch of smaller "tacticool" rocks

[heavy bison]

You merely adopted the rock, he was moulded by it.

He did not step off a rock till he was already a man.

[crimson kayak]

Now, someone go make a conversion with another stormcast standing on the tactical rock floating in domitan model

[heavy bison]

Re-fluff the Disk of Tzeench or whatever its called.

[crimson kayak]

starts using tactical rocks as disk of tzeench proxies

[summer rover]

nothing says it can't look like a rock with googly eyes.

[celest dome]

How acceptable to the lore are the Biomantic and Aetheric Swords from Inquisitor Martyr ?

[plush mason]

that whole game is largely non-canon so good question

[celest dome]

Just wondering if Biomantic swords would be a good future pick for Biomancy themed swords. Like Shock/Electricity and hammerhand sword

Because I very much love Fire Sword in VT2

[crisp heath]

Why illustrations commonly paint sororitas legs thin

Like

[celest dome]

You mean the Fleur de Lys ?

[crisp heath]

They’re legs are part of they’re power armor aswell.

[celest dome]

Oh I though you said flower

[crisp heath]

I meant like why they look thin on illustrations , at least most of wha ive seen

[celest dome]

They don't use the same pattern of Power Armour as SM

[crisp heath]

They don’t but