40k-lore-chat

[copper patrol]

and it's just like a samurai or something

and a ninja ogre maneater

but that one doesn't really count

[coarse pumice]

dark elves

[green loom]

Why are they ca lled maneaters anyway

[copper patrol]

they eat men

idk the actual reason

[rose thorn]

Call me stupid but

[copper patrol]

I think it's just ment to be scary

[rose thorn]

What are the ogres supposed to be?

[copper patrol]

or intimidating

they are like

mongolian sorta

[green loom]

Mongolians, vaguely

[rose thorn]

Oh okay

[copper patrol]

there is like 2 mongolian esq groups in whf

the ogres and hobgoblins

[rose thorn]

Im looking at like the fire belly

[green loom]

And those tribes that keep attacking the Great Wall of Chin- I mean, the Great Bastion

[rose thorn]

This is baller, but what?’

[copper patrol]

what are they called

[copper patrol]

the hung

or is it the mung

[crimson kayak]

Kurgan?

[crystal forum]

omg i just looked up what they look like

[rose thorn]

LMWO WTFHEHRJWGSAHHAHAHB

[copper patrol]

have you never seen the map

looks familiar don't it

[rose thorn]

Sidenote I’m terrible at TWW so I never see the full map

I always get my shit eaten

[rose thorn]

I heard it was similar to irl BUT NOT THIS MUCH

[crystal forum]

like half that map doesn't have any lore at all

[rose thorn]

why is Russia fused with a Attica

Antarctica

[crystal forum]

antartica is literally never talked about

[celest dome]

Cathay has "Oni", which are 1 Horned Ogre iirc

[rose thorn]

WHERES CANADA?!

I mean

[copper patrol]

the southern wastes?

[rose thorn]

AUSTRALIA

[celest dome]

We only know that Beastmen live there

[green loom]

In hell, where it belongs

[celest dome]

Beastfiends iirc

[crimson kayak]

all's north is the north pole starter pack

[copper patrol]

it's like mega corrupted

iirc

like you go there you die

[rose thorn]

wait, half of Canada is missing and Australia is completely missing

[shadow plover]

here's what it's like currently in TWWH3

[celest dome]

And one of them become upgraded and name himself a Manfiend
Beastmen loss once again

[rose thorn]

Funny Africa is completely fine

[rose thorn]

Okay where the fuck did the top half of Africa go

[crystal forum]

you have to keep in mind that these maps are drawn with medieval techniques and stuff

[green loom]

And full of orcs

....with tribal markings

[copper patrol]

I mean

could be worse

the pygmies could still be canon

[shadow plover]

got kinda split with europe

[rose thorn]

And half of the United States

[green loom]

One of their characters is a witch doctor that does funky dances

[crystal forum]

this is what maps of the world used to look like

[green loom]

This group is specifically called "Savage Orks"

[crystal forum]

they dont have satellite technology in fantasy

[copper patrol]

I mean

[crimson kayak]

got away to Total war warhammer 4 for the new faction based on no existing models

[copper patrol]

it's not real, so it's just drawn that way

[rose thorn]

That’s ironically not even that terrible, they just got turned around with the new world

[celest dome]

Not Canada had Amerindian style Human tribes

[copper patrol]

chaos?

[crystal forum]

the fantasy world is supposed to be our planet so i see it as a reason for weird map

[copper patrol]

it's supposed to be similar

[crimson kayak]

btw this one problem seems only to be that lustria is made to fit the europe/middle east equivalent as they didn't have shit to put in the africa equivalent

[rose thorn]

https://external-preview.redd.it/_S_a7KxvZlxBx39bLzUxezgeJECpbKoAQeWjVAetq2g.jpg?auto=webp&s=904c94b07ff5e88b85f6ab1dd4495f88293ead1d

[crystal forum]

i've seen a lot of people say it's 1:1

[copper patrol]

[rose thorn]

Wait. All of OG warhammer is just slightly racist stereotypes?

[copper patrol]

those people are very wrong

[coarse pumice]

iirc the hung were one of the main chaos human tribes

[copper patrol]

iirc the warhammer world is also larger then ours or something

[crystal forum]

see this is why i dont like fantasy lore

[crimson kayak]

i mean, never been on vacation to ulthuan 1:1 inspiration?

[coarse pumice]

chaos tribes are:
norsca - vikings
hung - mongols
kurgan - conan guys
iirc

[copper patrol]

i've heard it's like supposed to be twice as big as our world or something

[coarse pumice]

Atlantis

[crystal forum]

it's literally inspired by the myth of antlatis

god damn you plato

[rose thorn]

~~oh god what are the skaven based off of ~~

[crimson kayak]

it's a joke about the 1:1 to real world

[copper patrol]

uh

the greeks

[celest dome]

Industrial Revolution

[copper patrol]

idk

what is there on our map

[celest dome]

High Elf are Greek/Atlantis iirc

[crimson kayak]

i would say italians for skaven but we got tilea to care about backstabbing eachother before being eaten by rats

[copper patrol]

skavenblight is like in the greek/rome area

but tiliea and estalia exist

[rose thorn]

South Asian, north Asian, European, or Americas’ insdutal revolution?

Wait never mind it’s all still just child labor

[crystal forum]

the thing about warhammer fantasy is it's hard to tell if the writers are genuinely ignorant about actual history or it's supposed to be over the top

[copper patrol]

both

[crimson kayak]

extreme levels of both

[celest dome]

European Industrial Revolution
Just like Mordor in LotR is it (Plus the Great War)

[coarse pumice]

skaven represent how the industrial revolution and it's consequences have been disasterous for mankind

[copper patrol]

ever heard of Curious Geasar

[rose thorn]

Sidenote is LotR good? I’ve only seen the first movie

[copper patrol]

first citizen of the republic of Remas

[crimson kayak]

it was on the albion campaign wasn't it?

[rose thorn]

I found my thrift store is selling a complete VHS collections of movies

[copper patrol]

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Curious_Geasar

I wonder

how he dies

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thonk-meme-gif-11987870

[celest dome]

It's a great movie series, books, even setting
It's kinda like the Grand Pa of most modern fantasy

[crystal forum]

lmao tiny eye

[rose thorn]

Fair

[copper patrol]

he got stabbed in the back by his senate

[rose thorn]

I might wtach it maybe

[celest dome]

Nothing to lose from watching it

[rose thorn]

I liked the ghosts scene

Thsoe guys were neat

[rose thorn]

I wasn’t sure if this was ‘it’s really good?!?!!? It’s a must watch!!!!’ And then I read the great works and I get bored and drop it

I know starwars is good, but I watched the last Jedi as my first movie and lost all interest lamo

[copper patrol]

[coarse pumice]

audio books are really handy if you don't have time to sit down for the novel

[copper patrol]

you watched the shitty ones

[celest dome]

Yeah, there is Star Wars and Star Wars
There is basically 3 main SW trilogy, the last one by Disney isn't really any good

[coarse pumice]

George Lucas is rolling in his grave

[copper patrol]

[celest dome]

He isn't dead afaik

[copper patrol]

his nonexistant grave

yeah he's not dead

last I checked

[crystal forum]

bruh

[crimson kayak]

btw did you know of the clearly original inventor Leonardo da Miragliano?

[copper patrol]

more like rolling in cash

[copper patrol]

I believe so

he make the bird suit

or am I thinking of someone else

[celest dome]

And the Steam Tank

Bird are Cantranaza something iirc

[coarse pumice]

[crystal forum]

fantasy setting trope of steam power existing but nobody caring enough to use it

[copper patrol]

the empire and dwaves use it

[crimson kayak]

also the hellblaster volleygun

[copper patrol]

and maybe chaos dwarves

but I think they have more fuckery then steam power

[coarse pumice]

yeah, steam tanks and dwarf stuff

[crimson kayak]

meanwhile nuln

[coarse pumice]

and in fantasy they use guns

[celest dome]

Ok, it's Birdmen of Catrazza, made by Deddalo (Dedalo, Icarus' father) but he used things that Miragliano made

[crystal forum]

"what era do you want your fantasy setting in?"
"yes"

[rose thorn]

So I’ve heard

[coarse pumice]

did you know WHFB handguns are as strong as bolters

[celest dome]

Steam engines are fairly old tbf

[rose thorn]

It seems like just OP protagonists vs silly clown men in plastic armor

[crimson kayak]

3/4 of the tech from the empire is based on miragliano who's mostly based on skaven

[celest dome]

Really ? Didn't know he had dealing with the Skavens

[crimson kayak]

he didn't

but the southern realms don't give a fuck about skaven secrecy

as they get raided like, once a month

by huge ass rat men with machine-guns

so he just went and sketched the skaven warmachines when miragliano got attacked

[storm jungle]

Also the Empire cant progress fast technologically because literally everyone is against each other ala Holy Roman Empire

theres lots of lore reasons as to why they aren't in great shape

[coarse pumice]

why are there no skaven in 40k? the Imperium of man are the space skaven

[storm jungle]

tho again RPG books fill in these blanks more

because of course (:

[crimson kayak]

i mean, except for the wild tech experimentation we are

[celest dome]

Compared to the other Human kingdom, they are not the slowest

[storm jungle]

They are prob the most advanced human civilization on the Old World yeah

[coarse pumice]

does anyone give a kark about Age of Sigmar lore?

[storm jungle]

Yes

lots of people

[celest dome]

Somewhat

[storm jungle]

why do you think it makes $$$

[copper patrol]

nuffin wrong with it

at least now

[crimson kayak]

yes, but i can't place where things are happening

[copper patrol]

I jsut think a lot of the names are silly/stupid

[copper patrol]

that as well

[celest dome]

Because the mini are great on their own already (Except Fyreslayer)

[storm jungle]

AUGHHH

[copper patrol]

I am hopping we get AoS chorfs in plastic soon

or just plastic Chorfs in general

[celest dome]

I only wish AoS would get good Video game already

[storm jungle]

Chorfs do exist and the lore mentions them in a few places

alongside all their mountain factories and such

[copper patrol]

Hashut exists

we know that as well

[storm jungle]

🙏

[crimson kayak]

i want the aos skaven models from ikrit books

[coarse pumice]

I've just not heard anyone talk about it [the lore] in the outside world; people play it and I see that often, but any lore talk was always in the shadow of Fantasy Battle.

[celest dome]

Yeah, the Krule Boys' Hibgobbo mention them
As do 2 of the Chaos Warband thingy

[copper patrol]

the Aos lore is a lot less grounded imo

[storm jungle]

I think thats entirely because of the crowds you hang out in

[copper patrol]

so it's kinda hard to wrap your head around

[celest dome]

And has less lore due to being much much younger

[storm jungle]

and yeah its high fantasy

[copper patrol]

since it's pretty hard to figure out where the hell everything is

[storm jungle]

so it gets pretty nuts

[coarse pumice]

I quite like their spinoff game, the warhammer underworld

[storm jungle]

every warhammer setting spinoff is great for the most part

Killteam, Warcry etc

[celest dome]

Doesn't help that there are 8+1+5(?) realms in total

[storm jungle]

not just because of all the model experiemntation

[storm jungle]

Theres only 9

because norse reference

[coarse pumice]

the spinoff have a lot of creativity and solid models

like the underworld skeleton gang are some of the best skeletons I've seen

[storm jungle]

Killteam and Warcry respectively are basically where they go "Okay guys we can do any model we want"

[celest dome]

8 for the Wind named realms, Chaos Realm, Allpoints + other smaller pocket realms ?

[storm jungle]

"How about, kung fu shao lin vampires"

"How about khorne furries on all-fours"

"BRILLIANT"

[crimson kayak]

imo warhammer would have made a fuckton more money if they went more toward kill-team play than standard play, as it emphatises much more the "your dudes" aspect

[arctic talon]

I like how even GW thinks the freyslayers are a mistake 💀

Design wise

[arctic talon]

Thing is it appeals to a dif fanbase

From the main game

Killteam is way more methodical

[storm jungle]

Also its basically an experimental ground

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

you can do lots of small sub-faction races and such

[arctic talon]

The 2 games play pretty differently imo

[storm jungle]

and yeah this

its literally "kill-teams"

not armies

[coarse pumice]

40k itself used to be smaller scale

[arctic talon]

Kill team is so absurdly lethal

It’s hilarious

[arctic talon]

Still bigger then killteam

By several orders of magnitude

[coarse pumice]

even if the artwork portrayed gigantic battles

[arctic talon]

On the tabletop it’s always been way larger

[celest dome]

Problem is finding way to make them work without just stopping the current one

[copper patrol]

I pretty much always pictured that it was ment to represent a bigger battle

[arctic talon]

The smallest Warhammer 40k has ever been was 2e

And you still had like

3 squads of troops minimum

Which is like

[signal bramble]

Usually those small skirmishes decide outcomes in 40k lore. Not the big battles. I think that’s also part of it.

[arctic talon]

3x a single killteam

[copper patrol]

they did used to have a like massive battle line

[crimson kayak]

yeah i like either epic size or kill-team sadly, standard 40k is just a weird middle ground for me

[copper patrol]

with epic and warmaster

[arctic talon]

Standard 40k is fun imo

[coarse pumice]

2nd edition combat was like a skirmish game

which slowed it down a lot

[celest dome]

Warmaster was great

[arctic talon]

Then again my favorite edition of 40k is 9e/6e

So maybe I have brain damage

7e can go burn in a hole

[copper patrol]

I am pretty exicted for the new edition with rules being free now apperantly

[arctic talon]

Worst edition GW’s ever made

[crystal forum]

still waiting for GW to release an imperator titan model

[arctic talon]

Maybe for titanicus lol

[coarse pumice]

they should bring back WS and BS and Initiative

[crimson kayak]

anyhow the idea was more of "what if we got kill-team instead of standard 40k as base" than "what if standard 40k had kill team rules"

[arctic talon]

WS and BS are still in the game tho

[coarse pumice]

BS should be an opposed roll to initiative like WS to WS was

[arctic talon]

Ah fair

[arctic talon]

People already complain the game takes too long

For some reason

Then again I can finish a 2k game in like 1-2 hours normally

So

[coarse pumice]

those won't slow things down really

[arctic talon]

You’d be suprised

With new players

[coarse pumice]

not more than running did

[arctic talon]

Honestly killteam is so lethal it’s kind of funny

Melee is just a death sentence 99% of the time

[coarse pumice]

I hate 3rd edition for removing movement then adding it back as a bunch of special rules that slowed the game down

have you played infinity?

[arctic talon]

A bit

Why do you ask

[coarse pumice]

that was pretty lethal too

[celest dome]

I remember an ex who had started playing Kill Team with Custodes, and her captain or what ever had been stuck in between 2 or 3 orks iirc and just cut down before she could do anything

[arctic talon]

Killteam is hilarious since the moment you enter melee

Someone is gona die

Especially with things like Brutal

Making it impossible to parry except on a crit is hilarious

[crystal forum]

i do find it funny how different tabletop is from lore

[copper patrol]

I find it funny how different lore is from lore

[celest dome]

Because lore is even more whack than TT

[arctic talon]

Tbh in most depictions of lore tabletop is a bit goofy

[coarse pumice]

honestly, tabletop wasn't too far from its internal lore

it's the novels that don't fit mostly

[arctic talon]

A knight is not gona get beaten to death by a group of guardsmen

In melee

Same with magnus getting his ass beaten by 20 skitarii

[coarse pumice]

that can happen; the novels are who are wrong

[arctic talon]

I mean

Lore wise a guardsmen has nothing in melee

That can kill a knight

In codex lore

[crystal forum]

they have krak grenades

[arctic talon]

Same with skitarii fighting magnus in melee lol

[arctic talon]

Those aren’t melee weapons

If they were I’d agree

[crystal forum]

they can be

[arctic talon]

But you can kill a knight in tabletop

[celest dome]

They are when you punch something with it

[coarse pumice]

it gets weird when you go too far up in scale

[arctic talon]

With the default close quarters weapon with catachan

Also Magnus should not lose

To 20 skitarii lmao

He could just zap them out of existance

[signal bramble]

Not with that attitude.

[arctic talon]

If we use his lore from the codex

Also Straken is able to kill abbadon in single combat

If we follow tabletop rules

He can also punch a knight to death

[arctic talon]

Tankbusta my beloved

[coarse pumice]

since 3rd edition, Eldar have had that the worst tbf

[signal bramble]

Anything is a melee weapon if you’re brave enough.

[celest dome]

Tankbusta in Darktide (But really, Grenade Lance in Darktide for Vet)

[arctic talon]

Honestly eldar are prolly the most consistant faction on the tabletop

They’ve never been dogshit

[crystal forum]

ogryn lifestyle

[arctic talon]

They’ve always been

Slightly below average at worse

[signal bramble]

Deldar melee can shred a knight on the tabletop tbh.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[coarse pumice]

that's the army overall

[arctic talon]

Deldar melee kind of shreds anything lol

[signal bramble]

So can Harleys

[celest dome]

When in the lore, everyone and their mum have killed an Avatar of Khaine

[crystal forum]

you guys are making me think that knights are made of butter

[arctic talon]

Harleys are a elite melee army

[signal bramble]

They are on the tabletop.

[arctic talon]

On the tabletop they might as well be lol

[celest dome]

Knight rules kinda suck

[arctic talon]

They’re way too easy to lock up

[signal bramble]

It’s so easy to blow up half their army T1.

[arctic talon]

And they don’t have obsec

[signal bramble]

I’m a knights main as well.

[arctic talon]

There’s a reason knight armies run a lot of armigers

[signal bramble]

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[coarse pumice]

but it was when Guardians became as cheap as Orks and you used them to screen your other units

[signal bramble]

Hell enough Guard shooting can wipe out knights atm.

[arctic talon]

No point in taking the bigger ones

[coarse pumice]

and the short range shuriken catapult

[arctic talon]

Guard are fucking broken right now

Tbh

[coarse pumice]

when originally it was better than a storm bolter

[arctic talon]

The kasrkin mortal wound bomb

Is stupid

[coarse pumice]

maybe mortal wounds is the mistake

[arctic talon]

No army should pump out 18 mortal wounds minimum a turn

[coarse pumice]

like the whole concept

[arctic talon]

They’re fine in every other army

It’s literally just guard

[signal bramble]

Yeah. Because they’re so strong it’s impossible to even get the kasrkin at a reasonable price rn.

[arctic talon]

And mortal wounds have existed since 4e

[celest dome]

The only time I've seen an army with a Titan (The bigger ones) was when some friends group did a 5 vs 5 with a lot of points

[arctic talon]

Iirc

[coarse pumice]

I thought it was a 7th edition thing

[arctic talon]

The new guard codex is a fucking mistake

Of an army

[arctic talon]

No

It was in 6e I know for sure

[coarse pumice]

4e didn't have anything like it

[signal bramble]

Yeah people complaining about only getting to use it for a short time but all things considered maybe that’s for the best.

[arctic talon]

It was 6e at latest

Tbh

[coarse pumice]

I probably played the most 4e and 5th

[arctic talon]

Bcs I distinctively remember them being a thing

Because of that stupid fucking chaos strat

To summon a greater daemon on perils

For free

Thank you GW

[coarse pumice]

did 6th abandon the 3rd ed paradigm?

[arctic talon]

Idk

[arctic talon]

I feel bad for people who bought the codex but fuck that army

Guard players being so terrible

They manage to bring that book down to a 50% wr

Is hilarious

Like how the fuck

[coarse pumice]

the 3rd paradigm didn't have multiwound damage apart from some special rules

[arctic talon]

Spam 6x sentinels 30x kasrkin

And you’re set

[coarse pumice]

and I think mortal wounds came in when they brought that back

[arctic talon]

Keep kasrkin in chimeras

Then pop them out for the mortal wound bomb

[coarse pumice]

you either took one wound or all of them with a single attack for the most part

[signal bramble]

I got the codex but only because I found the cadia stands box super cheap and it’s a good deal. >_>

[arctic talon]

Sentinels are so fucking point efficient it’s absurd

[signal bramble]

No reason not to.

[coarse pumice]

tbh I don't think they ever got vehicles right

[arctic talon]

Like WHY ARE THEY ONLY 45 POINTS

For 7 wounds, obsec, a plasma cannon, can receive orders and can move 8 inches

And can squadron

[coarse pumice]

though I hear the Avatar got buffed back to something like his 2nd Ed profile?

but with more attacks and damage, but everything has more wounds now

[arctic talon]

Avatar is basically a mini greater daemon now

[coarse pumice]

weapon skill as a stat was a nice bragging right

Well, it was on par with GD back in the day

[arctic talon]

The only reason he isn’t equal to a GD

[coarse pumice]

comparable with a bloodthirster, but less mobile (higher toughness though)

[arctic talon]

Is because his saves are better

But he has less wounds

And he can’t fly like the BT

But he hits just as hard

[coarse pumice]

sounds like the 2e version

[arctic talon]

Pretty much is

His biggest downside

Is he’s big ironicially

Makes him easy to shoot

[coarse pumice]

I should bring my minitar

[arctic talon]

He’s still legal lol

[coarse pumice]

did they put in standard sizes for targeting or is it based on the model?

[arctic talon]

Just put him on the right sized base

[arctic talon]

In a tournament setting they’d prefer them to be the same height

[coarse pumice]

lmao

[arctic talon]

But just base

Is what matters to GW

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120104072_AELAvatarofKhaineLead.jpg

[coarse pumice]

though with the bases it's kind of annoying as haven't space marines moved up a base size?

all of mine are on the 25mm bases that they had for years

[arctic talon]

They did that in 7e

Or 6e

I forgot

But 25mm bases are still legal

It’s just not recommended

Since you’re nerfing yourself

[coarse pumice]

ok

I just need the right base, right?

(this isn't the epic one)

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

omg i finally found the chapter i want to make

[arctic talon]

It’ll be funny

[rose thorn]

for loyalest

loyalist

its.... perfect

[arctic talon]

Just as funny as Kandras shredding most characters in a single turn

[rose thorn]

thier colors are so terrible but so great

it matches thier lore

they are extremely religiouslly obsessed with the codex astarties

taht they maek blood sacrifies to guilliman

[coarse pumice]

I play regualar Crimson Fists

but sometimes I wish I just made up a chapter from scratch

I mean that's probably why Space Marines are so popular

because I would consider just starting a second army, just for my own customisation and Space Marines really lean into that

[rose thorn]

its so stupid its amazing

[coarse pumice]

which I maintain is a reason why Space Marines were so successful

[rose thorn]

ye space marines are new player bait basically

[coarse pumice]

very easy to make them 'your own'

[arctic talon]

Most sane late founding ultramarine successor

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

They get weirder

As the foundings go on

[copper patrol]

what brother sylas doin

[rose thorn]

iron snakes are silly

how exactly does a space marine hunt underwater??

[coarse pumice]

this art was so moody

[celest dome]

Power armour with propelers

Also some artist did a homebrew about an Underwater setting for Warhammer, with many units remade for underwater fight

I'll try to find it back

It's MisterPassenger
https://old.reddit.com/user/MisterPassenger/

[near wasp]

Can you imagine fighting xenos on an ocean world.

[celest dome]

I don't like water, so I won't even try to imagine it

[obtuse locust]

soooo....what would happen if the imperium finds out that a rogue trader is a unsanctioned psyker

totally not asking for reasons

[celest dome]

In theory nothing

[obtuse locust]

and said rogue trader captain has a floating ball of light as a familiar and a daemon possessed termagant pet, both tzeentch

[celest dome]

The Inquisition might notice and there after dispose of them

[obtuse locust]

totally not the captain that my character is serving under as the arch militant....chuckles nervously

[near wasp]

Execute your captain for being a heretic

If the inquistion finds out your serving a heretic youll be tortured to death as well

[rose thorn]

I love the idea of just doing a blood sacrifice to the monopoly rule book

[crisp heath]

Whenever you have to ask "what kind of consequences would a rogue trader/inquisitor face for this?" the answer is always "depends on how much they pissed off another inquisitor"

[coarse pumice]

especially if they pissed off Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau

[rose thorn]

Any other notable fucking mentally insane ultra marine successors?

[arctic talon]

Mortifactors, they eat dead people

And living people

And really like skulls

[rose thorn]

Oh they are ultramarines?

That’s like, the third cannibalism ultramarine chapter lmao

[celest dome]

Nemesis, who act like they are Night Lords

[arctic talon]

Silver templars are a bit weird as well

Power sword obsessed weirdos

[celest dome]

Didn't the Ultramarine also have a successor in the Cursed Founding ?

[arctic talon]

yeah

Fire hawks

[celest dome]

Those were the least worse of them I suppose

I though they were the Imperial Fist ones

[rose thorn]

Yeah then the grey knights pulled a clash royal dev and killed them

Because the explode

At like, random

Well mainly in battle

[near wasp]

Didnt they survive being purged and are renegade now?

[rose thorn]

It’s a theory

Also there’s 2 flame hawk chapters

And a flame flacon chapter

[arctic talon]

Imperium moment

[rose thorn]

Idk the difference

One of the 3 is believed to become the legion of the damned

[rose thorn]

?

How so?

[arctic talon]

They really like honor duals, they like melee combat a ton, they love power swords and they hold in chapter sword duals all the time

They like swords

[rose thorn]

,that’s really cool actually

[arctic talon]

pretty funny how there's a chapter called the Sons Of Jagatai

who don't know if they're his actual gene sons

[rose thorn]

Imagine an assault intercessor squad of power sword dudes

[rose thorn]

Sounds right lmao

[near wasp]

If they ride bikes they are his sons

[arctic talon]

guess they're his sons then

[rose thorn]

Why is their symbol the Iraq moon and the Jesus fish???

[celest dome]

It's explained in the wiki, sorta

[rose thorn]

Oh it’s a staff member’s chapter

[versed ledge]

What is that space marine doing?

[plush mason]

using a digital weapon while being weird i guess

[signal bramble]

Hitting them with a digital weapon while dabbing on them. Insult and injury.

[versed ledge]

Digital weapon and dabbing, yeah he's probably a frequent member of certain image boards of basket weaving

[crimson kayak]

He's part of the Ginyu company

[storm jungle]

Damn I gotta edit this now

[crimson kayak]

Please do

[storm jungle]

God it looks horrific

[unborn sapphire]

it a mix of dabbing and face palming through ones head

[plush mason]

why did you do this?

[storm jungle]

I just wanted to.

The goofy artwork tempted me ok

[plush mason]

well its only a space marine so its a forgivable act of heresy

[rose thorn]

going over space marine chapters wiht one of my gfs trying to find a handful we like. We are looking at flesh tearers and i put on a majorkill video

i just eralized how much context she doesnt have

'when the emperor got steven hawkinged' oh....

[plush mason]

if only said event had of made him as smart as Hawking was

[rose thorn]

true

lmao

so we are looking at dark krakens, flesh eaters, and flesh tearers

[rose thorn]

ok she did that HH quiz

[uneven temple]

with one of my gfs

[rose thorn]

poly :P

[reef kite]

You know I sometimes laugh about the Mechanicus talking to machines but then I remember that when I was younger I would chant
“Come on Nintendo network come on 3ds.” Over and over while trying to connect to random Luigi’s mansion dark moon multiplayer lobbies, and you may call me crazy but it absolutely worked

In conclusion, how do I convert to the cult of mars?

[open pumice]

As a computer science major

[arctic talon]

Yep

[open pumice]

Verbally communicating with your machine while you code makes your machines work better

[green loom]

Hitting it is nice also

[signal bramble]

I’d start with memorizing the binary code in the war cant of mars.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wy-sVTaZRPk

[reef kite]

Yeah pretty much

I swear to god none of the massive lights and stuff I’ve been working with recently have had any issues since I introduced myself and started talking to them

[vale shuttle]

if the computer can't hear me now come when i swear at it it starts working?

checkmate, cult imperialis

this post was made by mevhanicus gang

[rose thorn]

Quick question, (mainly @ that space wolf guy) what’s the deal with wolf spear?

[odd palm]

Like what does it do?

[celest dome]

Primaris SW chapter.
Do what SW do but as Primaris

SW don't all accept them

[rose thorn]

Ah

[odd palm]

Oh lmao I thought you meant Russ' weapon

[summer rover]

russ has a chainsword that has a power field. it's big poppa vulcan that has the spear.

[heavy bison]

Lil’ Vulkan has the spear, Daddy Vulkan has a hammer.

[odd palm]

Nah Russ has a spear

Used it to stab Horus, it's the twin of Valdor's spear

[rose thorn]

Why am I like this ;~;

I’m stuck between the cool ass ocean hunters with baller ass color scheme

Or the stupid fucking bananas that make blood sacrifices for a space marine rule book

[vale shuttle]

mag you need to look into your heart and decidde if you like ocean hunters or bananas more

i believe in you. deep inside is the truth, bananas or ocean hunters. but only you can find it.

[green loom]

Flesh Tearer gaming

[rose thorn]

Dark krakens… or libators

If only there was an insect themed space marine chapter I could pour all my entomology nerd shit into.

[vale shuttle]

make ur own faction

the space wasps

[rose thorn]

Very good poin

[vale shuttle]

actually that'd be too hard to paint. maybe the space beetles

[rose thorn]

T

[vale shuttle]

SPACE MOSQUITOES

BLOOD ANGELS DESCENDANTWS

[odd palm]

Themed as in just the symbol or their whole thing?

[rose thorn]

Their whole thing

I know the mantis guys

But they aren’t even mantises smh

[odd palm]

'cause the Mantis chapter exists, a stealthy chapter from Jaghatai's lineage

[rose thorn]

I do like white scars

And stealth,

[signal bramble]

There’s a Titan legion nicknamed the Fire Wasps.

[rose thorn]

But not enough insect iconography

[rose thorn]

Also there’s a wasp chaoter already and they look like ass

[odd palm]

Fair, mantis warriors are off the table XD

[vale shuttle]

space ants

space slugs. they're secret nurlge worshippers

[rose thorn]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/7/7c/Yellow_Jackets_Shoulder_Pad.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150830105835

[rose thorn]

LMAO that looks like a battletech favtoon

FAction*

Not imperial

Also the yellow jackets might not even be cannon

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/f/f6/Yellow_Jackets_Marine.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180603234201

[vale shuttle]

oh my god it's hideous

also it looks impossible to paint

[rose thorn]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Yellow_Jackets

YEAH LMAO

wiat

MWHEHAHAHAHSHAGSHDVHAHAHA

THE BEEEE

Yellow jacket same thing-

Not really but still

They really did the 4th grader drawing on him frfr

[vale shuttle]

space locustrs might be cool

[rose thorn]

It would be cool if it’s a chapter from a death world with an extremely high amount oxygen in the atmosphere, causing the insects to be huge

So the ppl on the planet have to hunt and kill them

[vale shuttle]

you could haver their focus on killing large things with swarm tactics

[rose thorn]

Yee, i was thinking that, or terrorism

[vale shuttle]

so like their favoured opponents are knights, daemon princes, etc. they use like jump-packs and flying

basically space marine zephyrims

[rose thorn]

THATS BALLER ACTUALLY

Like the Locust Kin

[vale shuttle]

i love helping people make their factions it's so much fun

Locust Kin is a good name

[rose thorn]

Ooo they wear chunks of carapace of Tyranids and bug life form their home planet maybe

[vale shuttle]

maybe there's a tyranid presence on their home world

cut off from a fleet

so they're not coordinated, but still a dangerous threat

[rose thorn]

They could have that weird gimmick that appears of like, pre humanity Tyranids

That appears like 4 times in the lore

Eh I’ll sleep on that

[vale shuttle]

if you do more on it pls tell me

[rose thorn]

I will!

[vale shuttle]

love watching other people's factions grow and form, it's great

[rose thorn]

I actually really like the idea of this lmao

Usually when I make custom sub factions it dies in the water because it’s focused on a gimmick I only mildly care about

But entomology is like, my passion. So typing random bullshit about bugs and adding space marine every once in the while is perfect

[vale shuttle]

hell yeah

i look forwards to seeing more

[raw dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/240196923644968960/1091806316684644462/RPReplay_Final1680377067.mov
anyone know what this is talking about/referencing?

[crisp heath]

Y'all think there's a chance in hell we'll get a book or campaign about Decimus?

[green loom]

Felix?

[crisp heath]

Nah the Night Lord

Talosian

[odd palm]

A book or campaign for a night lord?
Unlikely

[crisp heath]

I mean he has Talos' geneseed and he planned the 13th Black Crusade for Abaddon so y'know

Maybe

[crimson kayak]

Didn't decimus just have a vision about abaddon winning while he was with other night lords?

[coarse pumice]

Abaddon 'no arms' whining

[crisp heath]

Maybe? It involved a vision but I read it as "Abaddon is going to win if he sacrifices this guy, this guy, and this guy"

I guess we don't really know if Decimus sees his visions as facts about the future like Curze or as advice and warnings like Sanguinius though

[green loom]

Who are the 3 joes that get offered up

[crimson kayak]

Oh no, the vision's about the fact Abaddon will win and destroy the imperium, but many warlords would die in the process

[green loom]

Considering how it works for the other two, it's unlikely to be a concrete outcom

Though idk maybe the author has a hard on for them

[crimson kayak]

4 are named, but are random night lords made up on the spot

[crisp heath]

Anyway the guy shows up like 4 times in a book about his faction and he's the successor the fuckmothering Soul Hunter so we really need some content on this dude

[crimson kayak]

Basically it's the night lords version of the blood angels losing lots of successor chapters against the nids

[green loom]

#nightlordssitdown

[crisp heath]

You can't just give a guy the geneseed of the Nightiest Lord and then not write about him

[crimson kayak]

The dude literally wears the equipment/markings of like 5/6 different named night lords lol

[crisp heath]

Yes, he must prove his worth as the new Nightiest Lord

[green loom]

He goes to fight Tetrarch Decimus, his bizaroo world twin, to test the might of the Firstborn against Primaris

[crisp heath]

Since Curze absolutely should not be brought back they need to make him like, the Night Lords equivalent to a primarch. Not really in terms of power scaling, but like, as this larger than life persona heading up the faction.

[green loom]

So Night Lords Abaddon

[crisp heath]

Talos

I want Talos 2, new and improved and 50% more edgy

[celest dome]

Can Terminator change weapons ? Like having a back up weapon and switching to it

Eg: Having a Thunder Hammer, but being able to switch to a ranged weapon while in combat ?

[green loom]

I figure if they don't have one of the big guns like say Plasma or Autocannons they can have a more varied kit

But idk

Don't recall them ever really having anything save what's in their hands

[celest dome]

Was wondering if a Spacehulk Deathwing sequel would work with being able to switch weapons, like it is here

[crimson kayak]

Terminator thunder hammers are one handed

Unless they use storm shields they should have one ranged and one melee

So technically no need to switch when your armour is basically a moving weapon platform that negates recoil

[celest dome]

So in theory you could have the 2 weapon out at all time, but switching weapon would just be what weapon you control, could work I suppose

[queen laurel]

To me if i get the terminator armor i would give myself assault cannon for ranged coverage and a good old power fist, to deal with some heavier stuff i think i would use cyclone missile launchers

[crimson kayak]

I mean, the standard is storm bolter/power fist after all

[queen laurel]

Yes but with that i can't really deal with long-range heavily armored stuff so i'm getting a cyclone missile launcher just in case

[crimson kayak]

Can never go wrong with shoulder missiles

[queen laurel]

I don't think they are attached to the shoulders

[celest dome]

While I don't want Space Hulk Deathwing 2 to be done by FS, I really want it to work like the tide games

[crimson kayak]

Space Hulk Galactic basically

[queen laurel]

A deep rock galactic style warhammer game?

Shit

You got me hooked with the idea

[celest dome]

Nah, not melee centred enough

For me at least

[odd swallow]

What about a planetside 2 themed 40k game? Got enough faction for it to work. Maybe it takes place during indomitable crusade or something

[vale shuttle]

oh gosh we have had this conversation before

[copper patrol]

a million times

[green loom]

Yeah but can you balance those factions? Rhetorical question because the answer is NO

[vale shuttle]

it'd be a monumental undertaking. it'd be extremely difficult to execute

[copper patrol]

I mean you could

[celest dome]

We'll have it till someone tries to do it again and realise that it would most likely not work

[copper patrol]

just make it like guard, chaos cultists then someone else

[green loom]

Try getting Jeremy to play anything but Marines

[copper patrol]

keep it on the lower power level

hell the max system from planetside works for marines even if a bit not lore friendly

[vale shuttle]

the fact that there's neither a PlanetSide 3 or another MMOFPS suggests to me that the cost of developing one is rather extreme. so combine that with the fact there's a good chance it won't work and would cost a massive amount

and risking a tonne of money for something maybe great is anathema to business

[odd swallow]

So guard, Eldar, orc. And a special slot for special units to be max like

[copper patrol]

eldar would be extremely hard to balance

as would orks tbh

[vale shuttle]

guard chaos and tau, maybe.

[copper patrol]

^

[odd swallow]

Ah right psychic I forgot

[copper patrol]

that's what i'd do

if they wanted to have eldar the system from planetside for the robo mercs would be kinda perfect

[odd swallow]

I mean they're making a PS3 BUT I'm pretty sure its cause ppl started batching about the latest updates.

But mmofps may not be that hard to do. No one else would want to make one as long as the main one PS2 exist alongside cod or battlefield

Which is the drawback, anything that's not these 3 rarely have critical success

[celest dome]

If they make an MMO, I'd expect it to work much more like the SW one than WoW

[odd swallow]

Could make it on a limited scale though, like MAG back in the day

[odd swallow]

Like swtor?

[celest dome]

MAG ?

Yes SWTOR

[vale shuttle]

i am skeptical that they'll ever finish it. or even that a substantial development team is working on it

[plush mason]

they raise IG regiments and still have blackpowder muskets?

[green loom]

Hey, manpower's tight, man

[celest dome]

Is Birmingham as bad as it sound ?

[plush mason]

as this musket has a TT stat card i would have to say yes

[storm jungle]

Have you seen it IRL

yes

it is

[plush mason]

the city is..yeah afaik

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/XkmQxG5SnwE

[celest dome]

No i haven't

[plush mason]

even the people of Birmingham hate Birmingham

wait. does that mean that Middenland was also a joke about Birmingham? or was that Stirland?

over in fantasy

[celest dome]

The worst province was Stirland

With the consiguine and all that jazz

[plush mason]

fish head pie

[celest dome]

They have a Lord Chicken

[signal bramble]

Not anymore. There are definitely some that start with primitive weapons but the munitorum will provide lasguns.

Keep in mind that las guns are very easy to make. We are regularly told that they are mass produced in the millions upon millions.

One power pack is a lot easier to shift than hundreds of bullets.

[versed ledge]

Can a musket even penetrate guard flak armor

[summer rover]

no

[versed ledge]

How about stubbers?

[signal bramble]

A heavy weapon? Absolutely.

[celest dome]

Depend on the calibre, but I'd say in most case yes

Stubber goes from Pistol to Cannon, and in theory even higher with Stub cannons

[summer rover]

stubbers are just normal guns to us.

[celest dome]

Like the Revolver is a Stubber

[signal bramble]

Also a stub gun would be much more accurate than a musket so you could probably shoot a guardsman in the face and bypass his vest.

[celest dome]

And there are Stub Revolver which are made to pierce Flak and better armour

There is a Stub Revolver type that are made to kill Enforcers though their armours and shields (In theory)

[summer rover]

because they're using cased ammunition, we can totally put armor defeating rounds in them. autoguns are limited because their bullets are caseless.

[celest dome]

Wasn't that changed ?

In lore ?

With Autogun being professionally made guns and Stubber from smaller industries

[crimson kayak]

Yeah it's never been really set in stone what's what

[celest dome]

Yeah

[crimson kayak]

Especially when the only stub-rifles shown are either full on heavy stubbers or bolt action

And everything else is just pistols

And the only pistol that's not a stub pistol is the autopistol

Wich makes things even weirder when stub automatic exists

[versed ledge]

But what about a regular assault rifle or pistol, nothing too heavy

[signal bramble]

Autoguns could theoretically get through it yeah.

[summer rover]

that's true but unrelated. the imperium doesn't make most kinds of stub-guns anymore because logistically autoguns are FAR easier to deal with, so stubbers are mostly made in small gunsmiths on-world and considered "rural handicraft".

this is because caseless ammunition is much more stable and space-efficent than cased.

[signal bramble]

Flak armor is meant to dull impacts but it's also cheap and mass produced, it's not going to withstand repeated fire.

[crimson kayak]

Also the Og description mentions its more for sharpnel/explosions and similar than direct hits from weapons

[coarse pumice]

flak armour used to be worse than it is later

6+ save, but 5+ against explosions

while mesh armour got comparitively worse

[versed ledge]

Mesh armor?

I don't play table top....so who uses mesh armor?

[summer rover]

eldar mostly now

[versed ledge]

Oh those blokes...heh good for then

Guessing the mesh part is that body glove beneath their shell like armor?

[coarse pumice]

I think they don't even refer to it as such anymore, it's just 'guardian armour'

while Aspect Armour was always the power armour equivalent

[crimson kayak]

Tbf Eldar also went from "technologically extremely advanced empire" to "Wraithbone go brrrrrr"

[coarse pumice]

the old rules were so funny

[crimson kayak]

Ah yes, when rules were made for campaign games

[rose thorn]

So is there any consequences for a chapter to not follow the codex astarties?

[coarse pumice]

they will feel shame for not following their spiritual liege

[celest dome]

Depend from which Legion they are from

Like SW descendent are mostly gonna not care

[coarse pumice]

SPIRITUAL LIEGE

[rose thorn]

Ah so, mister row boat mc gully isn’t gonna send his tax men after any new successors who don’t give a shit about the codex?

[coarse pumice]

not that I remember

[copper patrol]

I am pretty sure guilliman doesn't really care if you follow it or not as long as you aren't legion building or something

[rose thorn]

Gotcha

[rose thorn]

Wiat isn’t that exactly what black Templars are doing?

[celest dome]

Yes, but they are doing it while following the Codex

[barren ether]

No because the Black Templars operate on a fleet basis, and each fleet does it’s own thing. It’s very very rare for all Black Templars to form as a single chapter

They are also exceedingly loyal and pious, and don’t really have any intention of disobeying the Imperiums wishes

[celest dome]

It's not because they are fleet based, but because they are always on Crusade

Where you don't have to follow the size rule

[barren ether]

Yes

That is correct

Besides the Black Templars are theorized to be around 2500-3500 marines maybe. They need the numbers

[crimson kayak]

Guilliman himself broke the codex both before and after updating it

[odd palm]

Effectively the black tempalrs largest crusades are mini chapters

[crimson kayak]

Black templars numbers are so inconsistent that the mention in psychic Awakening says each crusade numbers thousands of marines lol

[signal bramble]

There are exactly as many are needed for the story to happen.

[odd palm]

They number between 1k-10k is what I've heard people speculate their numbers.
Ultimately depends on what the story requires

[green loom]

Figure the only thing that justifies it is that the individual crusade are very split and they're taking nonstop casualties

[storm jungle]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/mGxpZDxPl3msGZhdYP5hby0gBL6_A_OoIPn-Wx9usIA/https/i.redd.it/0wrnycljsira1.jpg?width=705&height=469

I feel like this belongs here

[crimson kayak]

yes

[storm jungle]

"This Primarch would beat this Primarch because of this reason"

BL Author: This Primarch beats this Primarch because I wrote the other winning.

[rose thorn]

Hey would the imperium have any issues with let’s say a space marine chapter that wear pieces of tyranids and uses parts of said Tyranids as weapons?

Obviously not the guns because that’s illy

But like

‘Cool I found this bone sword. Yoink’

[plush mason]

SMs have a lot of leeway on stuff like that

[rose thorn]

Ballin

I wanna give my chapter master a 40K version of my favorite fallout nv weapon, Embrace of the Mantis King

As I’m going for an over all insect hunting survival instinct theme

‘Today I will duck tape a tyranid claw to my power fist’

[crimson kayak]

Someone may or may not start viewing the chapter with disdain for their use of xeno stuff, but if yarrick got away with getting an ork klaw I'm sure a marine can use something like it

[desert dust]

Well in HH 1 or 2 a certain emperor's children uses a mega arachnid claw to cut up a ton of space bugs

[crimson kayak]

Just one thing... Make sure your marines kill the bone swords before starting to swing them lol

[plush mason]

such a chapter could easily ingratiate themselves with ordo xenos given their extensive knowledge on the tyranid anatomy

[rose thorn]

The idea for my chapter is they are from a death world that’s just full of giant carnivorous bugs. And the tribes there make tradition and shit out of hunting eating and wearing parts of the bugs

Then some important guy sees that and is like ‘nice’

And then make a chapter pre exposed to basically Tyranids

And these marines are only mostly crazy. While they do kill Tyranids and stuff they see it as a battle for survival, instinct over all, ect ect.

And legit like the nids. Obviously still a KoS

[crimson kayak]

Just remember that all tyranid tech is alive so it technically counts as a bug and a xeno

[rose thorn]

Wait what?!

I thought it was just the guns and ammo the nids had were alive lmao

[crimson kayak]

Nope, bone swords are alive too

But fully in control of who wields them

[rose thorn]

That must be a terrible existence

[crimson kayak]

Basically they are living force swords that sap the opponents life

And repairs/edges/grows itself this way

[rose thorn]

Damn lmao

[rose thorn]

Not gonna question how that works

[crimson kayak]

psychic bullshit ensues

Mo need to question it when you can just call it magic

[storm jungle]

heres some Tyrannic War Veterans

[rose thorn]

OH YEAHHHH

[crimson kayak]

Oh yeah, forgot there was like... 2? 3? Giant tyranid wars

[rose thorn]

Wow that’s fucking baller

That’s the vibe I love

I sure do hope they still exist and aren’t in the GW shadow realm!

[crimson kayak]

Yeah the only difference is that usually it's used "battle trophy" style more than practical use like your chapter

[crimson kayak]

I mean, we are getting a new Tyrannic War so we'll just get new ones if they forget the old vets lol

[rose thorn]

Oh sorry historian

I mean; WHAT?!?!??

[coarse pumice]

reminds me of BFG numbers when they added the craftworld and someone calculated that to sparsely fill it, it would mean that one major Eldar craftworld outnumbers the entire Tau empire

[crimson kayak]

That's probably retconned? I remember nids actually hindering warp activity?

[rose thorn]

Probably

This is so stupid awesome I kinda love it. I’m pretty sure they are just a ultra marine company and not a chapter right?

[crimson kayak]

yeah, then you remember how many already died and got turned into poke balls for the Infinity circuit/however the Eldar version of Gary's PC was called after all these years

[storm jungle]

Im gonna be honest

literally every tyranid war melds into each other for me

lmao

[rose thorn]

Yeah I didn’t know there was moe then one

[coarse pumice]

it took that into account

[rose thorn]

I know the Baal one and the ultramar one and j assumed they were the same thing

[rose thorn]

Damn imagine these guys but for blood angels

[coarse pumice]

and lowballed the numbers as well, with the only assumption that the craftworld was a 3D vessel of the volume approximate to what GW published

[crimson kayak]

Death Company Tyrannic War veterans cosplaying as black power armoured nids

[coarse pumice]

it was something like 1 eldar per cubic kilo only in half of it as a habited section - which considering they've shown literal metropolis inside craftworld in a codex, is not being generous with numbers

[rose thorn]

INSTEAD OF THR uhHhh, HH visions they just have visions of murdering nids

It’s literally perfect

Except idk shit about blood angels lore

‘Uh oh we are having thirst issues, what do we do?’

eyeballs the tyranid flesh

[crimson kayak]

I mean, wasn't it also said that modern craftworlds are 10 to 100 of times larger than their pre-fall counterpart and have whole sections fully unhabited?

[coarse pumice]

yeah, that's all taken in account

in fact, because of it

[crimson kayak]

Seems more like the "you can fit the whole of humanity within Rhode Island" thing

[coarse pumice]

no, if it were packed the numbers would be much higher

this is specifically an unpacked one, because the size they published in BFG was too big

[crimson kayak]

Lol

So technically from that calculation a craftworld can keep more people than... 30ish systems of fully colonized planets?

[crisp heath]

The issue is that the setting is ALWAYS in a Tyrannic war

Out of universe there's no reason to seperate them into different wars because the last one is always ongoing until they write a new one

[crimson kayak]

Because "The Second Tyrannic Offensive" doesn't sound as cool

Even through it does sound like some unknown chess combo

[rose thorn]

So what’s the important ‘ha ha Tyranids win’ moments?

[crimson kayak]

There's one?

[crisp heath]

Shut up why would you do this to me

Technically Doom of Malan'tai but also that sucked ass

[rose thorn]

Oh eldar

[crimson kayak]

Closest recent thing could be winning octarious but even that is meh on a grand scalr

[crisp heath]

There's actually a rumor that the Doom is getting a model as a powerful psyker, which actually would be cool

[crimson kayak]

As the important bits (aka the imperial border worlds) are fine

[rose thorn]

I might transform my chapter into blood angels who are veterans of the devastation of Baal, but they feel as if they have become too unstable so they leave and form a little chapter

[crisp heath]

Octarius, Baal, Malan'tai, Macragge

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah octarius I remember that one!

[crisp heath]

Gorgon iirc actually attacked the Tau and used them to farm XP, they kept giving the Tau time to develop new weapons so they could learn how to adapt to them

Which is just absolute disrespect

[crimson kayak]

And then proceed to get attrition'd

Thanks to a Tau/Imperial sandwich move

Because remember kids, buffs don't stack

[crisp heath]

Tyranids in general don't really win, they just make you feel like you lost

[crimson kayak]

And btw, this is what I kinda hate, what's the point of creating swarms of shit when if you truly want you could just build a couple of Galaxy Apex Predators

[crisp heath]

Or at least they would make it feel like that if there was ever any lasting consequences for their huge battles that extended past the books they happen in

[crisp heath]

I mean that's basically what the Hive Tyrants are

but a small handful of really good hunters doesn't really compare to the population of entire planets

[crimson kayak]

Thing is that nids lore usually opts for switching buffs depending on the enemy instead of just stacking them atop of each otger

Wich is literally the only reason why gorgon lost

[crisp heath]

Oh Tyranids need to expend resources to make and empower their units just like everything else and their mentality is driven towards hoarding as much matter as possible

So they don't really want to create "waste" anywhere at all

They don't just want to be the strongest, they want to be the most efficient

[crimson kayak]

Creating lots of small easily killable fodder doesn't seem efficient?

[rose thorn]

They also can be used just for surveying the situation

Also if they win they get the bio matter back anyway and just eat their dead

[crimson kayak]

Still convoluted as fuck but it's 40k so I'm not gonna question it

[crisp heath]

Swarm tactics are by far the most efficient means of defense and predation in nature

That's also why humans are social animals, it's not quite a "swarm" but having more bodies improves the chances of survival for every single organism

[coarse pumice]

also it's probably cheaper the make a bunch of termigants than one lictor

[crisp heath]

Like there's a lot of stupid shit in 40k but tyranid swarms are not one of them

[crimson kayak]

Oh I'm not saying they are stupid, I'm saying that the fact they basically reset the evolution gains they gain each time it's stupid

[crisp heath]

Unironically tyranids think of wounds by point cost in universe

If you wanted to make a "realistic" tyranid-type invader, I'd have them evolve superbacteria that they seed all over a planet, have them wait a couple months, then send down only rippers and gants to scavenge the remains

[crimson kayak]

"bomb them from orbit, but biological"

[crisp heath]

There is absolutely no reason for them to use giant, advanced monsters except to play a wargame

[crimson kayak]

Hive mind likes cool monster designs

[crisp heath]

I really like the idea of a vast, unknowable intelligence creating something like a Tervigon like "I just think it looks fun :)"

[crimson kayak]

I mean... Have you seen any of the high eldritch entities design taste? Everyone literally just goes "yeah this is cool"

And the moment Vashtoor shows up, showing signs of doing shit the efficient way, Everyone except the guys he hires tries their best to murderkill him

[rose thorn]

hey who are the loyalest ha ha terrorism successor chapter?

[signal bramble]

Night Lords successors? None that we know of.

Nothing was ever confirmed.

[rose thorn]

i mean, a loyalist successor chapter that are great at terrorism

not specifically night lords lmao

[arctic talon]

Carcharadons

great at terrorism

both on the imperium

and their foes

they literally take as many slaves as possible from imperial worlds before picking everything up and leaving

also anyone can be enslaved unless they're part of the mechanicus, or Munitorum

[rose thorn]

ah the space marine privilege

[arctic talon]

Its not just privilege

they got something signed by the emperor saying they can do it

[rose thorn]

idk why it reminds me of a video that was a lore analysis of the 9th edition custodies lor

e

and they reveal that the custodies has spies in many chapters

and the guy was like 'I think this is like, the most evil thing the imperium jhas ever done'

'thsi compeltely changes custodies forever'

i cant tell if it was like, a joke

[arctic talon]

💀

[undone zodiac]

Also one of closest you get is nemesis chapter

They worked closely with night lords during great crusade

And like radiation and phosphorous weapons

[vale shuttle]

the 40k understander has logged in

[rose thorn]

?

[vale shuttle]

the guy who said that "the Custodes putting spies into chapters is the most evil thing the Imperium has ever done" clearly has not synthesised much of 40k, and his statement reveals his ignorance. thus it is very funny when i call him the "40k understander" because he very clearly does not understand 40k

[rose thorn]

OH LMAO

OKAY IM NOT CRAZY]

[vale shuttle]

don't worry Mag i was not insulting you i was making a snide comment about the person you were talking about

[rose thorn]

I mean the person was real

[vale shuttle]

because im just a swell person everyone loves to be around /s

[rose thorn]

Also theres like, only 2 youtube short warhamemr channels that make real content lmao

and then the most controversial one got hired to promote the mobile game....

[vale shuttle]

hit or miss

[rose thorn]

yeah lmao

[vale shuttle]

wtf happened to my post

[rose thorn]

idK

i saw it enter the shadow realm

[vale shuttle]

WHAT'S THE BANNED WORD

is it loretubers?

[rose thorn]

probably content creaters name

theres a memehammer tuber who

uhhh

[vale shuttle]

i didn't say any content creators name!!!

[rose thorn]

yeah

[rose thorn]

oh

UhHH IDkK

[vale shuttle]

yep that's it

my extended "uh" is registered as spam

[rose thorn]

oh okay

[vale shuttle]

anyway all i was saying was if you want painting stuff there's a fair few good dudes, but lore YouTube is really hit or miss

[rose thorn]

also we love you historitor <3

never change

[rose thorn]

yeee i love the pianting ppls

it works so well with the short contents

but also youtube shorts is terrible

[rose thorn]

oh ye im split on an idea for my custom chapter

[vale shuttle]

what're the ideas

[rose thorn]

I was talking about my chapter and DIlara sent this

and i fucking love it so much

so was thinking

what if it was like ultramarines's veterans of mccrag's fall

except its for the Fall of baal

So a bunch of BA with tyranid PSTD are worried that htey are too far gone

so they left and fromed theri own little chapter

idk much abou thte BA but

i got the general gist

jist*